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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, welcome to Legally Brunette. I will be your

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Speaker 1: hostess today Emily Simpson with Shane. Today we have a

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Speaker 1: very special episode because we are going to have a

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Speaker 1: guest come on in a little bit and his name

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Speaker 1: is Clayton Eckerd. If you guys do not recognize the

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Speaker 1: name or know what we're going to talk about, we're

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Speaker 1: going to give you a little bit of his bio

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Speaker 1: and a brief background on him before we bring him

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Speaker 1: on so that you guys can get caught up and

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Speaker 1: that we can have a really interesting discussion with him.

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Speaker 1: Because this case, I researched it, looked into it, read

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Speaker 1: a lot of things about it, and it's really really interesting.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of him before, Shane, before we

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Speaker 1: decided to have him on the podcast today.

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Speaker 2: I have not heard his story before.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, let's get into it. So Clayton is

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Speaker 1: a former NFL player. He was also a medical sales

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Speaker 1: representative and reality television personality, best known as the star

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Speaker 1: of season twenty six of The Bachelor. I don't even

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Speaker 1: know what season.

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Speaker 2: That's why I don't know. I didn't watch.

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Speaker 1: You don't watch The Bachelor, No, or the Bachelorette.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't either.

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Speaker 1: A former University of Missouri football walk on, he briefly

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Speaker 1: played for the Seattle Seahawks before his stint on The

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Speaker 1: Bachelorette in twenty twenty one, and then he must have

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Speaker 1: been the breakout star because then they brought him back

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Speaker 1: and he was the Bachelor in twenty twenty two, and

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Speaker 1: that was doing The Bachelorette, and that was season twenty six,

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Speaker 1: all right. He also has a new podcast that's come

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Speaker 1: out recently, and it's called Love Trapped, So former Bachelor

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Speaker 1: Clayton Eckert.

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Speaker 3: It's casual one night fleing.

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Speaker 1: This is what we're going to get into turned into

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Speaker 1: a paternity nightmare. I love that we're doing this in

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Speaker 1: you're here because you can just yeah. I love that

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Speaker 1: we're just going to get not only a male point

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Speaker 1: of view, but Shane's POV on this. When the news

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Speaker 1: broke about the scandal, no one believed Clayton at first.

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Speaker 1: He was a reality TV star and he was unpopular.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why. I don't watch The Bachelor or

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Speaker 1: guess he wasn't.

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Speaker 2: Well, was he popular enough to become the bachelor.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but then I think after that it says.

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Speaker 2: Not popular enough for the bachelorette to pick him.

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Speaker 3: I guess not.

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Speaker 1: Clayton found himself trying to prove the truth while trapped

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Speaker 1: in a web of lives, manipulation, and threats. He would

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Speaker 1: soon discover he was not the only one. At its

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Speaker 1: very core, the story is about who you believe and why.

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Speaker 1: It's an epic battle that would take a group of strangers,

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Speaker 1: citizens sluice from around the world to crack the case

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Speaker 1: and finally hold someone accountable. So there are new episodes

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Speaker 1: of his podcast called Love Trapped, and they are released

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Speaker 1: every Thursday. And these episodes started back in February twenty

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Speaker 1: six of twoenty twenty six, so just pretty recently he's

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Speaker 1: And the way I understand it is she is the

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Speaker 1: in depth questions about what we're about to talk about

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Speaker 1: the podcast, right, all right, let's just before we bring

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Speaker 1: him on and start asking him questions about this case.

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Speaker 1: Let's go through, Let's do a brief timeline and a

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Speaker 1: little brief background on this. So back in twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 1: Clayton Eckerd is chosen to be a contestant on The

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Speaker 1: Bachelorette Season eighteen on ABC. There's a lot of seasons.

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Speaker 1: It's almost like Housewives season twenty Real Housewives of Orange County.

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Speaker 1: In twenty twenty two, after he was eliminated from the Bachelorette,

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Speaker 1: Clayton was chosen to be the star of The Bachelor.

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Speaker 1: So now we get to season twenty six. Fans deemed

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Speaker 1: him one of the worst bachelors in the franchise's history

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Speaker 1: because he told all three of his final contestants that

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Speaker 1: I guess he had three number ones, but well, I

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Speaker 1: his number one choice. Susie Evans ended up leaving the

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Speaker 1: show because of this. You know, that's the thing that's

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Speaker 1: So she ended up leaving the show. Clayton sent the

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Speaker 1: without an engagement. You know, I don't know, Maybe maybe

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Speaker 1: he shouldn't be hated because of that, Maybe he should

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Speaker 1: be embraced because he was like, I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know, obviously for TV purposes, they're pushing

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Speaker 1: to May of twenty twenty three, Clayton hooks up with

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Speaker 1: Laura Owens. There you go, here's the true crime.

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Speaker 3: People.

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Speaker 1: If you have been sitting here waiting for the true

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Speaker 1: crime element of this podcast, we are getting there. Laura

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Speaker 1: Owens is the name to remember. So he allegedly hooks

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Speaker 1: up with Laura Owens at his apartment they never had

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Speaker 1: after the show. This is after the show we're in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. Now, they never had penetrative sex.

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Speaker 2: Was she on the show?

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Speaker 3: No, she was not on the show.

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Speaker 2: So now this is real world dating.

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Speaker 1: This is real word dating. He's not on the show anymore.

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Speaker 1: He's not the bachelor, he's not in reality TV. Breaks

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Speaker 3: Huh. He's a bachelor, yes, but like a common day.

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Speaker 1: Civil he's Bachelorvilian like he's civilian bachelor.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 1: So he hooks up with this girl named Laura Owens

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Speaker 1: have been on LinkedIn or something, and he was involved

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Speaker 3: I think he might be a real estate agent or something.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, And I think she was telling him

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Speaker 2: A million bucks.

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Speaker 1: So they never had penetrative sex. That's a key piece

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Speaker 1: in your mental file. But she gave him oral sex twice.

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Speaker 1: You have no comment. I'm Laura Owens begins.

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Speaker 2: Made buy a home. Laura, I was commissioned.

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Speaker 1: Yeah see, I was waiting, you know, I gave you

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Speaker 1: the pause, all right. Laura Owens begins making claims that

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Speaker 1: she is pregnant with Clayton Eckerd's child. Ten days after this,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you watched.

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Speaker 1: Her take it, though, I mean you could say you're.

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Speaker 2: But was he drunk? He was he convinced that he does?

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Speaker 2: He does. Someone need to talk to him about how

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Speaker 2: it works. What's going on.

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Speaker 1: When I was researching he's a bachelor, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: When I was researching this, I was wondering the same thing.

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Speaker 1: I was wondering, how if he knew they never had

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Speaker 1: This is the first time I've ever said penetrative sex.

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Speaker 1: But if he knew that they'd never had penetrative sex,

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Speaker 1: and he understands how babies are made, I don't know

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Speaker 1: but she continued to blow up his phone and email

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Speaker 1: trying to convince him otherwise. Eventually, Laura Owens files a

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Speaker 1: lawsuit seeking child support from Clayton Eckert. All right, so

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Speaker 1: six months after she files this, and allegedly still being

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Speaker 2: How could she get Can you get child support before

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Speaker 2: the child's born? Well no, but she was aggressively going

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure she's filing it.

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Speaker 2: There was no baby and there was no miscarriage.

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Speaker 3: Well, let's get to that.

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Speaker 1: Investigators continue reviewing the evidence tied to the alleged false claims.

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Speaker 1: Authorities later say that she altered an ultrasound image and

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Speaker 1: think I believe she found a pregnancy video on YouTube

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Speaker 2: The video of the It would be hard these days

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Speaker 1: With AI and all the videos out there, I just

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Speaker 2: Go on Instagram, find someone's gender reveal, and you know,

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Speaker 1: You see that article. It's always on Facebook. Facebook has

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Speaker 3: There was the the.

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Speaker 2: Artist Funny is you have an opinion on which social

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Speaker 1: Facebook is the worst?

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Speaker 1: I scoll Facebook, there's so many AI generated fake articles.

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Speaker 1: And there was the one about Gena and Travis and

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Speaker 1: have you seen that one?

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Speaker 3: That's why.

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Speaker 1: That just made me think of like how easy it

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Speaker 1: I think she was very excited about it.

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Speaker 2: You're very interested in is dating life?

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Speaker 3: I am.

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Speaker 1: Prosecutors also allege that she lied multiple times under oath

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Speaker 1: she's actually indicted as seventh count indictment is issued against

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Speaker 1: Laura Owens and Maricopa County Arizona, and prosecutors accuse her

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Speaker 1: of false testimony and fabricating evidence related to the pregnancy claim.

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Speaker 1: After this indictment is announced, Clayton posts a video statement

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Speaker 1: saying the legal battle lasted two years and that he

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Speaker 1: feels relieved that the matter is resolved, Layton maintains he

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Speaker 1: So all right, that's a little background, a little bio,

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Speaker 1: a little timeline on this, so that our listeners have

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Speaker 1: him on and start asking him these questions. Let's get

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Speaker 1: more in depth in this. Hi, Clayton, how.

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Speaker 3: Are you great?

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for coming on legally Brunette today.

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Speaker 1: We really appreciate it. I will tell you I took

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Speaker 1: a little deep dive into your case when you were

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Speaker 1: going to come on previously, and I was I was

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Speaker 1: baffled by the links that this woman went to. But

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Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna let you tell your story.

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Speaker 1: I'm baffled by it, but I'm interested in hearing your

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Speaker 5: You know. I had away those options because professionally, if

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Speaker 5: I got issues trusting you all. Nonetheless, I don't want

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll try to do the thirty thousand foot view

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Speaker 5: But essentially, she reached out to me on LinkedIn. I

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Speaker 5: And that's why, you know, the podcast is called Love

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Speaker 5: It's like, hey, they don't want to be public. So

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00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,680
Speaker 5: those names that never leaked, which I also think is incredible.

438
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 5: You know, this was a very supportive community that's like, hey,

439
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,239
Speaker 5: we'll support you if you want support, if not, if

440
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 5: you want to be left alone, we'll leave you alone.

441
00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 5: I found out about the other victims because I went

442
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,360
Speaker 5: in who when she went public, I was reached out

443
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 5: to by the previous victims. Then girlfriend at the time

444
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,959
Speaker 5: now wife. But she reached out to me and said, hey,

445
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 5: you're not alone. You need to look and this, you know,

446
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,120
Speaker 5: look at this, look up this court case and the system.

447
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 5: So I went in the next day and pulled it up.

448
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 5: Sure enough, it was like a carbon copy of what

449
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 5: I was going through. And then when I was in

450
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 5: those documents, I saw another name of a previous victim.

451
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,240
Speaker 5: So then I was like, oh my gosh, there's two more.

452
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 5: I then reached out to the previous victim. We hopped

453
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:27,639
Speaker 5: on the phone. He said, yes, you know, there was

454
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,640
Speaker 5: a previous victim as well that I'm aware of, and

455
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 5: so that's that's where I found out about the previous guys.

456
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:40,120
Speaker 5: That being said, the greatest thing that the Internet salutes

457
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:45,400
Speaker 5: provide is constant surveillance on her. She doesn't have a job,

458
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 5: so she doesn't This is what she does full time.

459
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 5: She antagonizes men and tries to destroy them, and her

460
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,679
Speaker 5: family is, you know, complicit in her behavior. They basically

461
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 5: fund her antics by allowing her to stay in their

462
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 5: guest home, and her mom helps her and her whole

463
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 5: family is just bad people. So they the problem was

464
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 5: is that she'd be, you know, slugging her energy drinks,

465
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 5: you know, doing this stuff twenty four to seven, and

466
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 5: I couldn't. I had a job, I have a life,

467
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 5: you know, I multiple things am I going on in

468
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 5: my life, So I couldn't keep up with her antics.

469
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 5: But once the Internet got involved, I mean they're picking

470
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 5: apart every single thing that she was putting out there.

471
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,399
Speaker 5: Because she was using Reddit at first to funnel her

472
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 5: side of the story. But like, for example, she tried

473
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 5: to do a name change, they caught it within the

474
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,880
Speaker 5: same day, so she was trying to cover up her

475
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 5: tracks change her name. They caught her right away. They've

476
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,920
Speaker 5: obviously then collected all of her all of her statements,

477
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 5: and anytime she says something that's that contradicts something from earlier,

478
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 5: they'll highlight it, they'll post it online. So they've caught

479
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 5: her on all of her bs and a lot of

480
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 5: that information was then fed to the prosecution or even

481
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 5: my lawyer at the time. I mean, this was just

482
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:58,360
Speaker 5: like information constantly being gathered and it really just made

483
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 5: for simplicity. It's like it's informations provide my lawyers. My

484
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 5: lawyers take it and slam dunk it.

485
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,679
Speaker 1: Now let me ask you the other men that she

486
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: also did this too, were they public figures? Are you

487
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 1: the first public figure that she's done this too?

488
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 5: The other are two that are public are not public figures,

489
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 5: so they're the ones that were aware of the ones

490
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 5: that they have names have been leaked out. But the

491
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 5: other two guys, now they're both like private individuals as well.

492
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 5: So I was the first person, yeah, that had I

493
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 5: guess was deemed a public.

494
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 1: You know, when I think about it, the way I

495
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:43,640
Speaker 1: look at it, I feel like she got a lot

496
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 1: of practice on some other men and she wasn't and

497
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: she you know, she got away with it, right, It's

498
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: not like there was any repercussions of anything that was

499
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 1: she was doing. And I felt like she was very

500
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,959
Speaker 1: well practiced in what she was doing. And then, you know,

501
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 1: you're a public figure. She was obviously had some kind

502
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: of obsession and with you, and then she utilizes those

503
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: same tactics on you. Do you I mean I would assume,

504
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, do you regret being on the Bachelor?

505
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 3: Do you regret being the Bachelor?

506
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: Or do you just regret saying yeah, come over that

507
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 1: that's all.

508
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,199
Speaker 5: I don't actually regret any of it, not even like

509
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 5: having her come to my place. And the reason for

510
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 5: that is because ultimately like to be able to and

511
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 5: still hope back in the previous victims, I mean, for

512
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 5: them to say like, hey, for the first time, I

513
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 5: actually feel like this may be over, because they've been

514
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 5: fighting with her since you know, the first victim since

515
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 5: twenty sixteen, you're talking ten years. Yeah, she's just constantly

516
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 5: reinstating restraining orders and sending letters and phantom phone calls

517
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 5: and we get these random text messages that we can't

518
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 5: prove her, but like it's definitely her because I'm getting

519
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 5: the sort of the previous victims, and so she's just

520
00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 5: never willing to just go away. And so for me,

521
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 5: you know, it's been so worth it to be able

522
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 5: to like really feel that from the previous victims of like, oh,

523
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 5: I've been able to help reinstill some hope. And it's

524
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 5: also just allowed for other people that have went through

525
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 5: something similar to band together the community. The Justice for

526
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 5: Clayton is the name of it. You know, people said, hey,

527
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 5: should we make it something different? I was like, look,

528
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 5: I wouldn't. It's become bigger than me. I mean, I

529
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 5: guess for the sake of simplicity, just keep it what

530
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 5: was originally named. But what's really cool about it is

531
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 5: how it's brought people from all different walks of life

532
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 5: together that have experienced all different types of trauma. The

533
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 5: biggest mistake Laura made was she fabricated a bunch of

534
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 5: claims that were really severe and that people have actually experienced.

535
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 5: So she hasn't, but they have, you know, so abortion

536
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 5: and rape and what else like pregnancy loss and cancer,

537
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 5: and she's she's claimed all of these things. And what

538
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 5: she did was she was pushing people's buttons, you know.

539
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 5: So every time she would claim something news, someone would

540
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 5: come in and say, you know, I actually went through

541
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 5: a domestic abuse right, and this pisses me off. You know,

542
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 5: I don't want someone to be able to get away

543
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 5: with this because she has no idea what it's like

544
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 5: to go through this. So because she was pushing all

545
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 5: these hot buttons, she just basically got everyone to come

546
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 5: together and fight against her and fight against evil, which

547
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 5: is what she is and what her family is. And

548
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 5: they've never had accountability because they're this wealthy family from

549
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 5: San Francisco that's always been able to pay their way

550
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 5: or influence their way out of stuff, and so someone

551
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 5: that's never faced accountability, you know, this is what comes

552
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 5: of them. And so it's just it's been incredible with

553
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 5: all the support, but it's and I don't regret any

554
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 5: of it because for me, it was all for a

555
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 5: bigger purpose.

556
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I expected you to say, yes, I

557
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 1: wish this woman never came into my life. That would

558
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 1: be a logical answer, I would think. But I love

559
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 1: that you said no that I feel like this was

560
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 1: It's almost like you were a vigilante in this, like

561
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: this was the only way this woman would ever be

562
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: brought down is by you being in the position that

563
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: you're in, and you being a public figure and allowing

564
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: the Internet to be involved in it and social media

565
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: and all the things. And it brought such a huge

566
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: highlight to it. If she would have done this again

567
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 1: to just your regular civilian guy, she would have just

568
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 1: kept doing it over and over and over.

569
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 3: But the fact that she.

570
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 1: Did this to you has brought such an awareness to

571
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: it and such a public following of it that I

572
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: think this will probably be the first time that she

573
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 1: ever has to actually answer or be accountable for any

574
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: of it. So I love that you're saying, I don't

575
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: regret it because I feel like this is the only

576
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: opportunity that you and the other victims would have to

577
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: actually bring her down and make her accountable for once.

578
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 4: Well, I think it would have put a stop to her,

579
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 4: right because now if she were to have another victim

580
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 4: following you, she has a history and people will see

581
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 4: where it's going.

582
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 2: So she's kind of been outed by you.

583
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, and she went back on dating apps. I mean,

584
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 5: while she was still being looked at by prosecution. She's

585
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 5: not stopping. So she's still, even with all of this heat,

586
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 5: is still back on dating apps and looking for her

587
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 5: next victim. So the only way to stop her is

588
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 5: to put her behind bars, and that's what she's facing

589
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:11,479
Speaker 5: at this point, is the fourteen felony charges. Doesn't she

590
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:12,959
Speaker 5: was offered a plea deal, it doesn't seem like she's

591
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 5: going to take one. So it looks like she's gonna

592
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 5: fight this all the way to court, which is fine.

593
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 5: I'll testify against her and at the end of July

594
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 5: as well the previous victims. But yeah, I mean, she

595
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 5: was going to keep going and ultimately, like what this

596
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 5: also helped accomplish, Like I know that if somebody might

597
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 5: go like, he probably doesn't want this stain on his record.

598
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 5: But I honestly have seen this as a more of

599
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 5: more and more of a positive thing because I really

600
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 5: pushed for authenticity and I wasn't you know, I wasn't

601
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 5: able to fully be myself on The Bachelor. I was

602
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 5: holding back. I was being something I thought society wanted

603
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 5: me to be, not being actually who I was, you know.

604
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 5: And so I but I've always been, you know, trying

605
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 5: to show people like hey, put you know, don't put

606
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 5: me in a pedestal, don't kick me in the corner,

607
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 5: like put me somewhere in the middle, like see me

608
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 5: as I am. That's what this podcast has accomplished. It's

609
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 5: like like I said, I told the producers, I said,

610
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 5: you don't need to make me a saint. I'm not one.

611
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 5: I never claimed to be one. But also like this

612
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 5: monster that people claim that I was when The Bachelor

613
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,959
Speaker 5: is absolutely ridiculous. Like I'm not a monster, you know,

614
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 5: but I want people to just to like see like that, hey,

615
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 5: I'm not well, I don't not going to hide what

616
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 5: I am. I am what I am, And I think

617
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 5: if we're all just a little bit more honest and transparent,

618
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 5: like you know how far that can go? And that's

619
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 5: what I've seen from the feedback on you know, the

620
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 5: podcast is like people like it's refreshing that he's just

621
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 5: an open book, and I'm like, look like, this is

622
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 5: what I'm trying to spread, is like we don't need

623
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 5: to be perfect. There's this like belief now that everybody

624
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 5: we watch on TV, like you have to uphold this image.

625
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 5: There's that pressure by contestants I go on TV, I

626
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 5: have to be presented this way. I have to be

627
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 5: this saint, and it's like it's not real. It's just

628
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 5: not real, you know, And so I think like it's

629
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 5: in a way this is also helped out in that

630
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 5: regard because people are like, yeah, I mean, look, he

631
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 5: owns up to it, you know. And I'm like, I

632
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 5: had her over. If she wasn't crazy, I would have

633
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 5: never regretted it anyways, right, Like I don't regret it still,

634
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 5: But it's like, all I did was hook up with

635
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 5: a girl. I didn't do any I didn't commit a crime.

636
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 5: So anybody that tries to victim blame me, it's like

637
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 5: what do You're just you're just projecting because I didn't

638
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 5: do anything that any other thirty two year old male

639
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 5: you know hasn't done.

640
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

641
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: Now, when you talk about that night that you hooked

642
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: up and she came over and I know that you

643
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: didn't have sex with her, was that intentional? Because we

644
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: were having a conversation about the whole trap thing, and

645
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: I know that you had played professional football, so you

646
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: were you were out there, you were in that you know,

647
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: environment with the women, and what do they call them,

648
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: hope pros?

649
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 3: She was a hope pro You never heard that before.

650
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 5: I heard a jersey chaser is what we called.

651
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I've heard hope pros. So I was was

652
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,239
Speaker 1: that like an intentional choice that night? Because you're like,

653
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: I am who I am?

654
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 3: So no, that's what.

655
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 5: That's what's That's what spun me out a little bit

656
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 5: when it didn't make sense. Was I was willing to

657
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 5: have sex with her that night and she wasn't. She said,

658
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 5: you know, hey, I'm not. I don't want to have

659
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 5: sex like you know, you got to work for it

660
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 5: and something along those lines. So I was like, I.

661
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 2: Gonna get pregnant. Yeah, yeah, But that was the thing.

662
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 5: Was like I obviously was like wait, and she even

663
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 5: brought that up to me. She's like, if I wanted

664
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 5: to get pregnant by you, I would have sex with you.

665
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 5: And I was like, yeah, that's a good point. So

666
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 5: I was thrown off. But what I the conclusion I

667
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 5: came to was she I think was surprised that I, well,

668
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 5: she was surprised. I could tell by her demeanor. She

669
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 5: was surprised that I invited her over. And then when

670
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 5: she came over, like we had, you know before we

671
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 5: hooked up, like we were talking about mental health and

672
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 5: we're having these deep discussions, and I think what happened

673
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 5: was she said, oh, like, actually, there's a lot of

674
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 5: chemistry here and this could potentially work. It we could date.

675
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 5: And so for her then it shifted into it instead

676
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 5: of just hooking up with this guy, like we could

677
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,719
Speaker 5: potentially date, I'm not going to give it all up

678
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 5: to him in one night. So that's why she held off,

679
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 5: in my opinion, And then the next day when I

680
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 5: abruptly cut it off and was like, hey, that was

681
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 5: a mistake. I crossed professional boundaries. I don't want to

682
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 5: continue in anything with you in that capacity. I'm willing

683
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 5: to pass you off to another agent, but like for me,

684
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 5: I want to keep it just professional from here on out.

685
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 5: And she proceeded to cry and was like, I thought

686
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 5: we had something special and like you I've never you know,

687
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 5: I can help you out become the person that you

688
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 5: want to be, and like we just have so much

689
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 5: you know that we've lived through similar experiences. And you

690
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 5: know that was when I was like, oh, shoot, this

691
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 5: is this is weird. You know, like I met this

692
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 5: girl and she's crying, bawling her eyes out, But yeah,

693
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 5: I think that's that's why she was. She was like, oh,

694
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 5: I think I might able to date this guy, so

695
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 5: she decided to not give it all up in one night.

696
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: But let me ask you something about that. If she

697
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: is if you're having conversations and she's willing to admit

698
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: that you didn't have sex, and you're talking about how

699
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: she didn't want to have sex that night because she

700
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: felt like there was going to be some potential for

701
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: a long term relationship, then when she's presenting you with

702
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: like a pregnancy test and telling you she's pregnant, did

703
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: she explain to you how that happened?

704
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: Then? I mean, well, did you push back on how

705
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 2: did you become pregnant.

706
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 5: Then she yeah, yeah, I mean at first I just

707
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 5: told her to like piss off. I mean I didn't

708
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,719
Speaker 5: say that exactly, but I was just like, I was like,

709
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 5: you're ridiculous. We didn't have sex, But she first texted

710
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 5: me and said, you know, that night I went back

711
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 5: to that I hadn't played and played it all out,

712
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 5: and I remember when I went to the bathroom, I

713
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 5: felt some of your fluids down there. She's like, so

714
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 5: when we were grinding on each other, you know, you

715
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 5: had pre came. And I was like, that's not true.

716
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 5: You know, I was like, I can, I can, I wasn't.

717
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 5: I told her. I was like, to be honesty that

718
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 5: I was not that excited. Oh and so I said like,

719
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 5: that's that's not that's not the case. She's like, no,

720
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 5: you had fluid down there, And she went online at

721
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 5: one point was like he doesn't remember because he was

722
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 5: super high. Then people was like like, wait, so he

723
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 5: was too high to consent, So now you've you know,

724
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 5: they were obviously like they were walking down that path,

725
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 5: and she back was like, no, I was high too,

726
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 5: and I don't remember. So she was just going back

727
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 5: on her stories. But she claimed that when we were grinding.

728
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 5: That's when the fluid entered her.

729
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: Okay, so she did have some type of explamation explanation

730
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: that she gave you as to how it potentially happened.

731
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 5: So yeah, and then you know, but then she said,

732
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 5: you know, one of the emails that I was gotten

733
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 5: out that I mean blew people away, was she was

734
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 5: trying to turn me on through an email to get

735
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 5: me to like she's like, we should eight for a week,

736
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 5: and she's like, you know, maybe you would believe that

737
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 5: I hadn't had sex in a year if you felt

738
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 5: how tight I was, and you know, so she had

739
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 5: given away at that point, was like, wow, well so

740
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 5: you're saying I haven't felt it, but once I feel it,

741
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 5: then I would know. So you just basically admitted that

742
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 5: I've never been inside you because if I felt this,

743
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 5: you would if tight you were. So she just kept,

744
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 5: you know, tripping over herself, you know, trying to you know,

745
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 5: trying to stay on top of her lies. But at

746
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 5: this point, I mean, I just it blows my mind.

747
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 5: I Mean, she gets caught in lie after lie after lies.

748
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 5: She's now in bankruptcy court. She's and she just like

749
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 5: she's getting caught and lies there too, which that might

750
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 5: be a bigger downfall for her.

751
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: So so she is so you're saying you don't think

752
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: she's going to take a plea deal. So she's actually

753
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 1: slated to go to trial in May?

754
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:49,720
Speaker 3: Is that what you said?

755
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 5: Yeah? And and my I'm still trying to get more

756
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 5: information on it. But there's something happening on April ninth,

757
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 5: and I as a victim, I'm able to be heard.

758
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 5: So if I was told if there is a plea

759
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 5: deal offered, or if there is like a negotiation, that

760
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 5: I will be able to be present and offer my opinion,

761
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 5: which I will absolutely do because I'll just put it

762
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 5: this way. I'm not supposed to talk about the plea deal.

763
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 5: I was advised not to if I'm older, but I'm not.

764
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 5: I'm not really like enthusiastic about what was offered. It's

765
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 5: it's not the worst thing. It's there's accountability, but it's

766
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 5: not to the degree that I wanted.

767
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, now I know. So when she first started to

768
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: go public, was the public opinion was against you?

769
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 3: Correct?

770
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: And people I think people really believed her. What was

771
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: the turning point where people started to really catch on

772
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: and think this this girl's you know, lying about all this.

773
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 5: I mean, for me, I felt like I go back

774
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 5: and I read the you know, I or I see

775
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 5: people talking like you know, we we we realized she

776
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,439
Speaker 5: was lying right away. But I'm like, yo, okay, maybe

777
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 5: a few of you, but the mass majority did not

778
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 5: believe me until I had came back with the paternity

779
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 5: test results. Like when I posted that online, well, I

780
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 5: guess I should say no, there was a pretty big

781
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 5: switch once she went public, and then I posted that

782
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 5: there were other victims like that. That was a big

783
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 5: turning point. Right when it went public. I posted on

784
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 5: my story. That shifted a lot of people, and that

785
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 5: actually probably was the turning point now that I think

786
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 5: back at it, because it was like, oh wait, there

787
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 5: are other victims. And then that information got online and

788
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,240
Speaker 5: people are like, okay, well, you know, you get pregnant

789
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 5: by a guy accidentally. Okay, we could believe that. But

790
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 5: now a sudden, there's three and story.

791
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: This isn't adding up right, So you ended up How

792
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 1: did you take a paternity test?

793
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 5: I just submitted by my DNA If I remember correctly,

794
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 5: I think.

795
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: I But what were they comparing it against if she

796
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: was never actually pregnant.

797
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 5: Right, So they took a DNA sample from her, like

798
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 5: a cheek swab. I don't know, maybe they did something

799
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 5: else for her. I did a cheek swab and basically

800
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 5: send that in and they're looking for DNA matches. So

801
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 5: what happened The result was it came back as a

802
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 5: little to no fetal DNA, and so I talked to

803
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 5: the testing facility rap Gin and I was talking to

804
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 5: one of their representatives and I said, what does that mean?

805
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 5: He goes, well, it just means like the sample there

806
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 5: wasn't enough DNA and the sample. I said, okay, so

807
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 5: she's not pregnant. He's like, well, we can't say that

808
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 5: like there, we'd have to test again. And I was like, okay,

809
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 5: and then if we test again it comes back the

810
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 5: same thing. Then what he goes, then we will test again.

811
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 5: I was like, okay, Then what happens after that? He's like,

812
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 5: after like the third time, we'd have to bring in

813
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 5: our doctor and have them take a look because there'd

814
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 5: be obviously there's some consideration as to why, you know,

815
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 5: what's going on here? Why is there no fetal DNA?

816
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,439
Speaker 5: And I told him, I said, well, look like she's

817
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 5: not pregnant. That's why it's that's why it's returning this way.

818
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 5: Can you put that on paper for me like that

819
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 5: there was little to no field DNA. He said no,

820
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 5: he said, we can't do that so because it's inconclusive.

821
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,479
Speaker 5: So I just decided to throw all my chips on black.

822
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 5: At that point, I'm like, look, I'm not going to

823
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 5: play this stupid game with her. She knew this, that's

824
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 5: why she took the test. That it was never going

825
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 5: to pop positive or negative, so there's never going to

826
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 5: be a clear answer. So I said, forget it. You know,

827
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 5: I'm just going to have my you know, Maury moment,

828
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 5: like you are not the father. And I went on

829
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 5: social media and I just made this video and you know,

830
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,439
Speaker 5: I exclaimed everybody that was little to no feetal DNA

831
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 5: and I was insinuating that it was all over because

832
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 5: I was forcing it into it. At that point, I'm like,

833
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 5: she's going to keep claiming that she you know, the

834
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 5: results were inconclusive and da da dah and waste my time.

835
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 5: And I just decided to look like there's this is

836
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 5: bus like she can't ever come. She's not going to

837
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 5: be able to show a positive test, and I mean,

838
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 5: so I'm just going to basically advance this and put

839
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 5: an into it. So yeah, I mean that was the

840
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 5: only way that I could prove that I wasn't the father,

841
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 5: because I mean, that was it. The paternity test is

842
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 5: the way there is.

843
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

844
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: So this is because she claims she had a miscare right, Yeah.

845
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 5: Eventually because what she again her timelines and her you know,

846
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 5: with keeping this this act going. What happened was is

847
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 5: she went past the point at which it's like twenty

848
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 5: three weeks or I mean, you can give me on

849
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 5: the timelines, but there's a timeline apparently where beyond a

850
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 5: certain point, if you have a miscarriage, you have to

851
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 5: produce fetal death certificates. Well she didn't know that, so

852
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 5: she advanced past that point when in court said that

853
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 5: she was like twenty eight weeks pregnant or whatever it was.

854
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 5: And then when we started then pushing it to the

855
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 5: judge like she needs to produce fetal death certificates, she

856
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 5: backtracked and said, oh, no, I you know, I actually

857
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 5: had a miss miscarriage earlier, and she presented some photos

858
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 5: of some bloody sacks that again at this point was

859
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 5: probably chat GPT or AI whatever, But yeah, she was.

860
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 2: We were.

861
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 5: We were basically trying to stay ahead.

862
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 2: Of her the entire time.

863
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 5: We knew that she had We knew that she was

864
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 5: going to lose the children or she was going to

865
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 5: give them up for private adoption. So my lawyer came

866
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 5: up with a great plan to basically file my name

867
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 5: and the it's like a registry. So basically it's like,

868
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 5: it's a registry where if the children are giving up

869
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 5: for adoption, I have to be notified as the father.

870
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 5: So we filed for that and it was smart, but

871
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 5: it took that out of her game plan. It's like,

872
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,919
Speaker 5: now she can't just claim that giving them up, which

873
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 5: she did end up sending me an email or somebody

874
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 5: did anonymously, but it was definitely her, this person claiming

875
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 5: that they had my children, that she they adopted, you know,

876
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 5: the children, that she was going to go public and

877
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 5: I just responded back. I was like, do it, you know,

878
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 5: do it? Like go ahead, because I knew it was her,

879
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 5: But that was one of her game plans. Well, when

880
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 5: we shot that down, it and became she's going to

881
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 5: have to just lose the children. But that's where she

882
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 5: got caught up in her livees and you know it

883
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 5: was in some hot water because it's like, okay, so

884
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 5: where do the children go if you if it's past

885
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 5: that twenty three week point, right, you got to produce documentation.

886
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: Right, So when she claims that she did have a miscarriage,

887
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: that I'm just trying to get the DNA and wrapped

888
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: around in my head. So when she claimed that she

889
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: had a miscarriage, then the judge ordered that she had

890
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 1: to do some type of DNA testing with the whatever

891
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: fetal was left within the womb kind of thing, and

892
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: then that's where your DNA came in, Like they were

893
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 1: looking for your DNA within her womb after a miscarriage.

894
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: Is that I'm just trying to get that forensics down

895
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: a lot.

896
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, it wasn't. So it wasn't really like I don't

897
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 5: believe we ever got to a court ordered paternity test.

898
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 5: If I'm not mistaken. This is more like court of

899
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 5: public opinion. So it was a matter of like when

900
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 5: she went public, I just told her. I went on

901
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 5: my social media and I was like, guys, I'm trying

902
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 5: to do a paternity test. She keeps dodging it. She

903
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 5: keeps you know, canceling it. And so then she was

904
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 5: on Reddit like no, I'm not canceling. He's lying. And

905
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 5: so then I said, all right, guys, so I said,

906
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 5: I scheduled my part. I said, so here it is,

907
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 5: and I took a screenshot of the date and time.

908
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 5: I said, I'm going in on this date and time.

909
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 5: She now has to schedule her part. So I forced

910
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 5: her hand and made her have to basically follow through.

911
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 5: Otherwise that she didn't, people you know, were going to

912
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 5: realize that she was making it up. And she first

913
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 5: canceled the first time people and so like she canceled

914
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 5: and she's like, no, I was just sick. And so

915
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 5: we the court was like I was fighting in the

916
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 5: court of public opinion, and we also had a court

917
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 5: case at one point the court case like it was

918
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 5: in the family court and it was it was going

919
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 5: to close. It was going to be dismissed because of

920
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 5: a due to inactivity. I wasn't okay with that because

921
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 5: I was I told my lawyer, I said, she's just

922
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 5: going to let this fall off and then there's always

923
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 5: going to be this like did Clayton get this woman pregnant?

924
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 5: Did he not? So I said, you know, I want

925
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 5: to file documents to make her prove that she was

926
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 5: never pregnant by me, so I want an order of

927
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 5: non paternity. So we filed those documents, and then the

928
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 5: paternity test was just like additional additional evidence that we

929
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 5: were able to use in the court case. But I

930
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 5: don't believe it was ever court mandate if I'm not mistaken.

931
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 5: I know we were getting close to saying, well, maybe

932
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 5: we'll do that, but then I just used my you know,

933
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 5: I just used my social media account and put the

934
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 5: pressure on her, and then she took it. And then

935
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 5: like the miscarriage happened like on the tail end of

936
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 5: the court because she showed up in person and that's

937
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 5: where Shelsa and she doesn't have a belly, there's no tree, right, she.

938
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: Had to have a miscarriage. There has to be a

939
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: story to go with that, right, right.

940
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 3: You know.

941
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: I just when you were talking about can I just

942
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: ask the question about The Bachelor?

943
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 5: Yeah?

944
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: I just want to backtrack a little. Sorry, we were

945
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: just talking about before you came on. I was reading

946
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: about The Bachelor and how you were. You made a

947
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: reference earlier to like you were like a monster. I

948
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,439
Speaker 1: guess that's was the public opinion at that time, because

949
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: you didn't choose anyone at the end. Is that or

950
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: I guess you told like multiple women that you loved

951
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: him and then they all saw it, and then you

952
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: didn't choose anyone and you told him all to go home. Actually,

953
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: I will tell you when I was reading that, I

954
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 1: actually found that refreshing because you were talking about authenticity

955
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't know, I find it

956
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: kind of refreshing that he didn't get forced into something

957
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: that he was, you know, supposed to do at the

958
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 1: end of the show, and you basically were like, I'm

959
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: not interested in any of them.

960
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, a little bit. So it was a little like

961
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 5: essentially there were final three women. Yeah, I had been

962
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 5: I expressed feelings. I loved all three and was intimate

963
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 5: with two of them. And then one of the women,

964
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 5: the girl that I ended up with, was not okay

965
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 5: with that, and she was like, look, if you've done,

966
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 5: you know, been intimate or expressed feelings of love, I

967
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 5: can't move on with you. I can't move forward. And

968
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 5: that's where there was a big disagreement between her and

969
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 5: I on the show, and there was like this team

970
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 5: Susie versus Team Clayton. You know, some people were like,

971
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 5: that was wrong, Clayton. He should have you know, protected

972
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 5: her if he loved her the most. Because I had

973
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 5: said that, people were you know, like he loved her

974
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,439
Speaker 5: the most. You can't love multiple people. I'm like, yeah,

975
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,439
Speaker 5: go ahead and say that. From the outside. I thought

976
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 5: the same thing until like I actually went through it.

977
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 5: So there's plenty of cases of people being in polyamorous

978
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 5: relationships like it can't happen, It's possible. But of course,

979
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 5: this is why the show is so popular. It's a

980
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 5: show based on polyamory watched by monogamous audience. That's why

981
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 5: it's so and why people watch it for all these

982
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 5: years is because they're like, this is what I would do.

983
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 5: You have no clue what you would do until you

984
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 5: were in it. I said the same shit on the outside,

985
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 5: and I was like, I wouldn't do it this way,

986
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 5: And then you get in there and you're like, how

987
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 5: do I do this? And they cut you off from

988
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 5: your family, friends and everybody, so you have nobody to

989
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 5: turn to, and so you're just like, well, I'll navigate

990
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 5: this the best way that I can. The reason why

991
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 5: I I'm a little bit more like willing to kind

992
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,879
Speaker 5: of share the reason why I was. I was not liked.

993
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 5: I was not liked from the jump, uh, And that

994
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 5: was because it was multifaceted and it was unfortunate. But

995
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 5: like everyone's always looking for somebody to target their hatred towards.

996
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 5: So I already was disliked because I was chosen over

997
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 5: six men of color that really rubbed a lot of

998
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 5: people the wrong way. So I was going into the

999
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 5: season with people being like, why do they choose this guy?

1000
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 5: They had all these better men that could have been chosen,

1001
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 5: And I agree, they were great guys. A lot of

1002
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 5: these guys are still my friends. Ultimately, that was the

1003
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 5: producer choice and the and but who fuse shoulders is

1004
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 5: to fall on the guy that accepts the role because

1005
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 5: everyone's like he took it from these men. I'm like, no,

1006
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 5: I didn't take it from these men. I just accepted

1007
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 5: the opportunity, like they didn't bring it. Didn't bring it

1008
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 5: to those guys. But that start that was there was

1009
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 5: already hate there, and no, you know, liked me. And

1010
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 5: then once the producers saw that, they were like, hey, all,

1011
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 5: when it comes around in television, it's lover hate there's no,

1012
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 5: there is no we don't want lukewarm feelings.

1013
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: We don't want people they like polarizing, polarizing way it is.

1014
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 3: They don't care because.

1015
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 5: It's that way, and that's what it was. Is like basically,

1016
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 5: they wanted me to be like the guy that everybody liked.

1017
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 5: Like I think the original plan for the producers was like, hey,

1018
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 5: we can make this guy, you know, he's his head's

1019
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 5: in the right place. He can write off in the

1020
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,280
Speaker 5: sunset with the person that you know of his dreams,

1021
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 5: and then we can get our bachelorette. But essentially I

1022
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,760
Speaker 5: kind of ruined those plans. It's just I just happened

1023
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 5: to take the person that they were looking to. Yeah

1024
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 5: I'm saying too much, but essentially there's just like there

1025
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 5: there was a lot of all of a sudden the

1026
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,280
Speaker 5: script flipped and then all of a sudden everything went haywire,

1027
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 5: and they were like, look, you gave us all this,

1028
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 5: we can't not show it now. I mean, this is

1029
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 5: this is an absolute train wreck and people aren't going

1030
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 5: to like you. And you know I at the time,

1031
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 5: I was like, I don't of shit, like I'm doing

1032
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 5: this is my love story and I'm doing the best

1033
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 5: with what I have and I don't care about this audience,

1034
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 5: Like this is me trying to find love. Well that's

1035
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 5: just where all a sudden, when I gave him that,

1036
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 5: they're like, well, all right, you gave us all this stuff,

1037
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 5: and like we again, we either going to make you

1038
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 5: the good guy or the bad guy, and it's people.

1039
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 3: You've got to be the bad guy and I got

1040
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 3: to be the bad guy.

1041
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know what, thank you so much for

1042
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 1: joining us today. It was really interesting talking to you

1043
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: and hearing your perspective on everything, and it's such an

1044
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 1: interesting case and I'm happy you have no regrets and

1045
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: we're we're going to follow this because I actually, just

1046
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: from my perspective, would love to see her go to

1047
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: trial because I would be very interested in all the things.

1048
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: And so we will definitely follow this case and until

1049
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: the end and talk about it again. But I just

1050
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: want to remind everyone that your podcast is called Love Trapped,

1051
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,439
Speaker 1: and if you just you know, would like to say

1052
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: anything about it at the end here any final thoughts.

1053
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, look, the greatest thing people can do

1054
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 5: is is give it a listen, give it a five

1055
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 5: star review, and that just helps, Like more visibility. I mean,

1056
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 5: for me at this point, I hope that at the

1057
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 5: end of July, this chapter of my life can close.

1058
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 5: I'm totally okay with like this being the end of it,

1059
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 5: and I don't need anything to come from it. I

1060
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 5: just want everything to be finished. What this you know,

1061
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,919
Speaker 5: really this is kind of a segue the podcast. It's

1062
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 5: like leading up to this trial. And so the more

1063
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 5: visibility the better I mean, it makes. It shows the

1064
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 5: prosecutors as well that it's like, hey, look, people are

1065
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 5: following this, so like justice needs to be served. There

1066
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,240
Speaker 5: can't be just like all of a sudden, this dropping

1067
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 5: of the case and we all move on. So the

1068
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 5: more visibility, that's all I can ask for people is like,

1069
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 5: just give it a listen, just just help us. Just

1070
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 5: carry this into the end of July, so hopefully we

1071
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 5: get resolution, that's the end of it, and then all

1072
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 5: of us can move on. So that's what I would

1073
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 5: say about the podcast.

1074
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I'm very interested to see how this ends

1075
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: and we will definitely follow it. So thank you so

1076
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: much Clayton for being here on Legally Brunette. We really

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Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you guys. You