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We would like to encourage you to do 10 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 2: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 11 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week Beyond Contact 12 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 3: we'll explore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of 13 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 3: the classic cases, and bring you the latest information from 14 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 3: the newest cases as we talk with the top experts. 15 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 4: Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain ronin Today we're 16 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 4: speaking with Steve Colburn. Steve is a chemist material scientist 17 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 4: with over twenty years of industrial experience. He is currently 18 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,119 Speaker 4: working in the areas of carbon enameno tubes. From two 19 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 4: thousand and eight to twenty fourteen, Steve has analyzed several 20 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 4: alleged alien implants that doctor Roger Lear removed from his 21 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 4: patients and has uncovered some very interesting findings. He has 22 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 4: also analyzed alleged UFO crash debris and other physical evidence 23 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 4: found in and around UFO experiences of alien contact. Hi, Steve, welcome, 24 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 4: rid to be here. I really appreciate you taking the time. 25 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 4: I'm fascinated by this. This may be one of the 26 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 4: areas where we actually can get some physical evidence. And 27 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 4: this is a very interesting corner of the UFO community. 28 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 4: You know, it's the kind of physical evidence that I 29 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 4: think we've been waiting for. Yet it's not really talked 30 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 4: about very often. This is sort of something off in 31 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 4: the side. And I know you worked with doctor Lear 32 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 4: and had a chance to analyze some of his implants 33 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 4: and remove them from people who claimed they were implanted 34 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 4: during an alien encounter. Can you tell us the kind 35 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 4: of things you see in these implants. 36 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 5: Well, they're often covered with a layer of epithelial tissue 37 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 5: where a or a gray membrane that's very hard to 38 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 5: cut that conducts electricity, and the epithelia tissue that covers 39 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 5: some of them is out of place in the body. 40 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 5: It's you know, within a past of skin where it's 41 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 5: not supposed to be, and there's generally a layer of 42 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 5: calcium rich and phosphate rich material that seems like a 43 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,679 Speaker 5: biological hard part. It looks like mother of pearl or 44 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 5: bone under the microscope, and it presumably has enzymes in 45 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 5: it that caused the formation of the outer layer. The 46 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 5: implants have appropriate separate nerves growing into them, which are 47 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 5: also anomalous. They're usually nerves that tell the body what 48 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 5: position that that particular part is in, and presumably those 49 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 5: nerves connect the device to the nervous system, and there's 50 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 5: bundles of carbon nanotubes that I think are the main 51 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 5: wires to the device. They connect to those nerves. Cours 52 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 5: of the device is usually meteoric iron or some alloy 53 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,679 Speaker 5: of meteoric iron with ordinary iron and on at least 54 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 5: one of the objects. This alloy apparently had a very 55 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 5: modified crystal structure and contained a lot of carbon nanotube 56 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 5: as well dispersed, and it was incredibly hard and incredibly strong. 57 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 5: We need diamond tools to cut it. I usually cut 58 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 5: the implants in half the core and half when we're 59 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 5: doing the analysis to see the interior, and usually you 60 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 5: can cut it with a pair of wire cutters, but 61 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 5: I couldn't cut it. And told doctor Allier that I 62 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 5: couldn't cut this thing, and he took it to a 63 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 5: machine shop, and the guy at the machine shop tried 64 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 5: to cut it with diamond tools and couldn't cut it, 65 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 5: and he said that scared the heck out of him. 66 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 5: They're working on alloys like that with carbon nanotubes in 67 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 5: earthly silence, but we haven't really perfected it yet. This 68 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 5: is apparently is old technology to the aliens, and carbon nanotubes, 69 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 5: by the way, are the world's strongest known material, so 70 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 5: you can reinforce in theory at least other materials with them. 71 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 4: So this is clearly not just a piece of metal 72 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 4: that you got as a kid that went in their 73 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 4: foot that was from a nail or something like. This 74 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 4: is obviously an advanced technology for sure. 75 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 5: They're either pure mediate. The core is usually either pure 76 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 5: mediaorc iron or mediaorc iron alloied alloyed with some other element, 77 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 5: usually iron. They also give off radio signals before middle 78 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 5: from the body, so they're actually there are actual devices 79 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 5: and in the inside. The metal in these things is 80 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 5: bundles of carbon Dano tubes that presumably act as the 81 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 5: electronics for the device, as carbon nanotubes also have interesting 82 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 5: electrical properties. Some are some are highly conductive metallic carbon nanotubes, 83 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 5: and some are semiconducting. And the semiconducting ones you can 84 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 5: use to make diodes and transistors and in theory computer 85 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 5: systems and such. So these things could be tiny supercomputers 86 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:23,919 Speaker 5: for all we know. 87 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 4: Is it possible that it's our technology, that maybe this 88 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 4: is a human thing? I doubt it. 89 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 5: Everybody that I've shown this to you that is technologically 90 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 5: savvy thinks that that's beyond our technology. If it were 91 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 5: our technology, it would have to be a black project 92 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 5: all the way, and at least one hundred years in 93 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 5: advance of anything we have. 94 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 4: Well, it's really interesting that the people that bring these 95 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:52,239 Speaker 4: to doctor Lear, who did bring these, claim they already 96 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 4: have had an experience where they remember being implanted by 97 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 4: an alien encounter. 98 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 5: So I can't believe it's our technology for that reason alone, 99 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 5: because just everybody that's ever come to that came to 100 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 5: Doctor Layer and wanted an implant removed remembered aliens. They 101 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 5: didn't remember government personnel putting them in. 102 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 4: Right. Is there anything else that points to this being 103 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 4: of alien in nature. 104 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, the isotopes. You can do isotopic analysis on 105 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 5: the elements and objects to try to see where it 106 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 5: came from. And there's this characteristic pattern of isotope amounts 107 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 5: in each element on Earth. If the ratios of these 108 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 5: isotopes that's nuclear with different numbers of neutrons and the 109 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 5: same number of protons, If the ratios of these isotopes 110 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 5: are off by more than a percent or so, then 111 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 5: it came from off planet. Some of these things had 112 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 5: isotopic ratio is so skewed that we think that it 113 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 5: came from a different part of the galaxy. We're let 114 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 5: alone from the Solar System. 115 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 4: You know what's amazing is I think that came right 116 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,359 Speaker 4: out of the Corbell film that you were feed in 117 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 4: Project seventeen. That nanophysicist Christopher Cee. I think is how 118 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 4: he's credited in the film. He stated incredible things at 119 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 4: the end of that movie where he said he flat 120 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 4: out says, this is an astounding number of elements. I 121 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 4: have no idea who would make such a thing. It's 122 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 4: very complex that he's never seen it before, and specifically 123 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 4: what you're talking about, Steve, He pointed out that the 124 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 4: isotopic ratios to him, pointed out that it could not 125 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 4: be from our Solar system, so not even like a 126 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 4: media or something that came from the moon. He said, 127 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 4: it could not be from our solar system. 128 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 5: Right, the isopic ratios on planets in the Solar System 129 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 5: are off from Earth from earthly ratios, but not by 130 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 5: that much, not nearly that much. And there's there's so 131 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 5: many different elements in these things that that's unusual in itself. 132 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:52,559 Speaker 5: Might be the one that came out of my toe 133 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 5: contained fifty six different elements, as I recall, and that's 134 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 5: how it's highly unusual. And yeah, Nano Man or you know, 135 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 5: Carbell called him nan and Man when I was associated 136 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 5: with him, thought that it was less conservative than I 137 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 5: was about what these things might be. And yeah, I 138 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 5: agree with that totally, that it probably can't. The material 139 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 5: probably came from a different part of the galaxy. And 140 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 5: I noticed that isotopes with the higher numbers of neutrons 141 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 5: were over represented, so that probably indicates that the materials 142 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 5: came from closer to the center of the galaxy where 143 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 5: there's heavier mass supernova. All these heavy elements are manufactured 144 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 5: elements heavier than iron are manufactured and supernova explosions, and 145 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 5: in theory, the bigger the star, the higher the neutron 146 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 5: flux during the explosion, and you should in theory at 147 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 5: isotopes with higher numbers of neutrons with heavier stars and 148 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 5: heavier supernova explosions, and those would occur more often near 149 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 5: the center of the galaxy. 150 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 4: So, Steve, what's the problem here. You've analyzed this, this 151 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 4: is your field, the nanophysicists analyze it, and you guys 152 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 4: are saying this couldn't even be from our solar system. 153 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 4: So why is this not you know, front page news, 154 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 4: and why is not mainstream scientists saying, oh my god, 155 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 4: what could this possibly be? 156 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 5: Well, I think it's just because the government doesn't want 157 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 5: to talk about I self published a couple of papers 158 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 5: on the implants, and I was expecting the press to 159 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 5: be alerted and reporters to be at my door, but 160 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 5: the silence was deafening. 161 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 4: It's just incredible. 162 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 5: It was so a few years ago and just now, 163 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 5: just now that people are taking an interest in this, 164 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 5: even even a lot of people that are that are 165 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 5: debunkers are are being debunked themselves. When this comes to 166 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 5: light saying that you know, this is a heck of 167 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 5: a lot of daties put out there to just dismiss 168 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 5: I was using state of the art equipment, and I 169 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 5: don't think anything like this has ever been done before 170 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 5: in civilian science. I'm sure the government has a lot 171 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 5: of analysis like this, but it's all classified. I'm surprised 172 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 5: that Nanaman was willing to come to the fore and 173 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 5: those conclusions publicly. 174 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 4: Agreed, and it almost be exactly what we're looking for, Steve. 175 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 4: We want physical evidence. This is the kind of proof 176 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 4: that this community has been pushing for, and I wish 177 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 4: people would pay more attention to it. Maybe they will 178 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 4: now because this is what we're looking for. Yeah, we 179 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 4: need to take a break here, Steve. We come back. 180 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 4: We're going to ask you if there's been any follow 181 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 4: up with these patients to see if there's been any 182 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 4: repercussions from the alleged aliens in response to having these 183 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 4: implants removed. I would think they would probably react negatively 184 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 4: to that. 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Steve, do you know has anyone ever 195 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 4: followed up with these patients that have had these things removed? 196 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 4: And you know, has there been repercussions from from. 197 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 5: Yes, there have been. First to react to what you 198 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 5: said before, I mean, yes, we need to go beyond 199 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 5: beyond just anecdotal evidence and people's stories to concentrating on 200 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 5: the physical evidence that we have. And there's a considerable 201 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 5: amount these people. Let's say that there's no physical evidence 202 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 5: of this. I don't know what they're talking about. But 203 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 5: as far as repercussions, yeah, there have been some repercussions. 204 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 5: I know Patient sixteen went into a deep depression after 205 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 5: the implant was removed, and I can't help but think 206 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 5: that it was related to the device being removed from 207 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 5: this nervous system. I remember the aliens telling me during 208 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 5: an experience that removing an implant in the brain would 209 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 5: probably be fatal because the nervous system grows to depend 210 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 5: on it or function with it somehow. 211 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 4: Well, how many of these do we have? Did did 212 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 4: doctor Lair take out seventeen implants? 213 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 5: Yeah? 214 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, I. 215 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 5: Analyze I think five. I'd rather not say where they 216 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 5: are now. But he had most of them, but I 217 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 5: had a few. 218 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 4: But okay, Well, but obviously they're still safe and available, 219 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,199 Speaker 4: is the question? Yes, they are, okay, So if that's 220 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 4: the case, then don't you think we maybe have Has 221 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 4: there been new technology that we've developed? Technology has been 222 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 4: advancing so fast recently, it seems like there's probably new 223 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 4: technology to analyze these. Perhaps we could get even stronger evidence. 224 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:02,839 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, no doubt. I mean there's some technology 225 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 5: that's become available in the last ten or fifteen years. 226 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 5: It's not common, but it's available at the national labs 227 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 5: and at some of the better quick private labs. I 228 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 5: think we'd want to go beyond just elemental analysis and 229 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 5: conventional scanning electron microscopy and actually actually use fast ADAM 230 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 5: bombardment to etch off layer by layer of these things 231 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 5: and see what's and map the elements in them layer 232 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 5: by layer, is the networks of carbon, nanotise things, the 233 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 5: electronics of the device, or three dimensional I think that 234 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,959 Speaker 5: we should do more research on the objects before they're 235 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 5: removed from the body and analyze some of these signals 236 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 5: that the e of off. 237 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 4: I think that's the other big question, Steve, is anybody 238 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 4: picking up the mantle. I mean, doctor Layer passed away 239 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 4: in twenty fourteen. I don't know of another surgeon that's 240 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 4: really taking this up, do you. 241 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 5: That was a guy in Alaska did a couple of surgeries, 242 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 5: but I don't think he's really picked up the mantle 243 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 5: and done a whole bunch of them or anything. Doctor 244 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 5: Lear was kind of one of a kind. I wouldn't 245 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 5: be surprised if any doctor that tried to do this 246 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 5: again would be leaned on to stop. I know doctor 247 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 5: Lear had some problems with some unjustified problems with the 248 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 5: authorities over this. They tried to trump up some charges 249 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 5: against him and tried to lift his license and stuff. 250 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 5: They weren't successful, but it was all harassment based on 251 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 5: his research. 252 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 4: I can imagine that. I just feel like this is 253 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 4: an area that we could I'm surprised they're not coming 254 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 4: after the implants. An organization like ERROW or somebody would 255 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 4: be coming after that. Trying to get that is the 256 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 4: limitation that it takes money to do this too. It's 257 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 4: expensive to get these kind of tests. 258 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I mean money's tight right now. And each 259 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 5: if you pay for it, analysis like ICTMS inductively coupled 260 00:14:55,560 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 5: plasma mass spectrometry, which is a sensitive elemental analysis Solomon 261 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 5: analysis that we've done on the cores of these devices 262 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 5: as a routine thing. I've had a protocol for analysis 263 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 5: of these things, and that's that's one of the last steps. 264 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 5: And each one of those analysis is like five analyses, 265 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 5: like five hundred bucks. If you send it out, may 266 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 5: have gone up in price since then. Sure it costs 267 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 5: thousands of dollars to do this research, and big donors 268 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 5: are I think, being encouraged not to contribute to this 269 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 5: kind of research. 270 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 4: It's really kind of falling to the wayside. You do 271 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 4: not hear about this at all. Now you've looked at 272 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 4: five of these you mentioned. Are these implants very similar 273 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 4: or are they distinctly different? Like would you guess that 274 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 4: they were from the same type of alien doing the 275 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 4: same type of I think so. 276 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 5: A lot of a lot of them are similar, but 277 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 5: there are some that are quite different. The type I 278 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 5: mentioned with a metal core and either epithelial tissue around 279 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 5: it or that gray hard to cut electrically conductive membrane, 280 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 5: and those have meteoric iron cores, like I said. And 281 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 5: there's also different types. There's a type that moves around 282 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 5: inside the body using tiny cilia. Whitley Streeber has one 283 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 5: of those in his ear, and a doctor Lerma from 284 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 5: Texas tried to remove it and got a little piece 285 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 5: of it, and that's how we know that they have cilia. 286 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 5: Doctor Lear was going to remove it but really changed 287 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 5: his mind, and so another patient took its place. But 288 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 5: so far we have not successfully removed one of those. 289 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 5: But there's also a biological implant that doctor Lear found 290 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 5: on one occasion. It was under a lady's flight attendance, 291 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 5: the skin of her forearm, and it would move around 292 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 5: under the skin. It was like the size of a 293 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 5: small pe, he said. It would It would move within 294 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 5: a prescribed circular area about maybe three inches in diameter, 295 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 5: and would follow your finger if you put your finger 296 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 5: above it and moved it slowly. 297 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 4: See what else could do that. 298 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 5: I don't know. It had a not that much analysis 299 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 5: was done it, unfortunately it had It had a cellular 300 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 5: structure if a doctor Layer said the cells were much 301 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 5: smaller than than human cells. And it was alive apparently, 302 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 5: but that's about all we know about it. He said 303 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 5: it was like a clam, like a bi valve, and 304 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 5: had ridges on it that presumably enabled it to move 305 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 5: into the skin while I was opening and closing its shells. 306 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 4: Whatever. Interesting you know, if these are indeed alien, what 307 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:32,199 Speaker 4: do you suspect that they're for? Are they tracking devices? 308 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 4: Are they checking biofeedback? Or are they controlling people? Somehow? 309 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 5: I liketed to mention there's brain implants to you that 310 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 5: they that they put in, usually through your nose. Willie 311 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 5: Strieber mentioned that in this book Communion, those can be 312 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 5: used to you. It might pin into at least partially 313 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,479 Speaker 5: control people. They can they can implant suggestions that are 314 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 5: very difficult to ignore because the subject almost always thinks 315 00:17:56,280 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 5: it's their idea, and they're they're all tracking device or 316 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 5: a pribe. And I think a lot of them, a 317 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 5: lot of them measure physiological information, like kind of like 318 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 5: the instruments we put on astronauts, blood sugar, body temperature movement, 319 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 5: and things like that. The ones that move around in 320 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 5: the body are we're not I'm not sure what those 321 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 5: do exactly, but it's probably something to do with communication. 322 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 5: They give off radio signals whenever you're talking about aliens 323 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 5: or going to UFO conferences, things like that. That's what 324 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 5: I've heard from several people. 325 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 4: Well, that's interesting. It's also a big thing in the 326 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 4: in the folklore or whatever in traditions from people who 327 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 4: have had an experience. They do say that it's gone 328 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 4: right up my nose. They stuck something in my nose. 329 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 4: That's like a common reoccurring thing that I've heard many times. 330 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 4: Have any of these patients ever Have you heard them 331 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 4: say what they think it does. 332 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 5: Well, I probably have one or more myself. They're they're 333 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 5: very difficult to detect. You can't see him on X 334 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 5: ray because they're made of a conductive polymer. I analyzed 335 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 5: one of those one time that somebody gave me that 336 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,120 Speaker 5: didn't get up into the brain and it was sneezed 337 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 5: out by the subject. 338 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh. 339 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 5: I remember them telling me that they were made of 340 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 5: a conductive polymer, and I confirmed that by the analysis 341 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 5: that it was organic and conducted electricity they had. It 342 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 5: has a st membrane that dissolves, and then the inner 343 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 5: part is a conductive polymer that I suspect uses material 344 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 5: from the body to grow tendrils all throughout the brain. 345 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 4: All of these have some piece of metal at the 346 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 4: core though, right. 347 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 5: Either metal or a conductive polymer. You know, they have 348 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 5: a conductive material at the core and you can detect 349 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 5: them with a studfinder or metal detector. 350 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 4: Wow. 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Like the implants, 370 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 5: their physical properties were not that impressive. I was surprised 371 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 5: to find that out. The number of elements in them 372 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 5: was very unusual, and there was a lot of rare 373 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 5: earth elements in them. And I know that they're experimenting 374 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 5: with that alloying aluminum with rare earths now to increase 375 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 5: the strength and alter its properties. And I've analyzed a 376 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 5: piece of metal that came from that allegedly came from 377 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 5: a UFO that landed in the Andes Mountain, and UFOs 378 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 5: in trouble often emit molten metal. I think there's a 379 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 5: there's a homopolar generator aspect of They used like three 380 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 5: different methods to create any gravity thrusts, but one of 381 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 5: them is a ring of rotating molten metal around the 382 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 5: edge of the craft in a magnetic field that the 383 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 5: craft has mechanical difficulty sometimes the jettison some of this metal. 384 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 5: And this metal turned out to be an alloy with 385 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 5: iron and silicon. I think the silicon is most likely 386 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 5: in there to lower the melting point and maybe to 387 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 5: alter the electrical properties as well. One of the samples 388 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 5: from the San Augustine UFO crash was interesting in that 389 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 5: that most of the samples had a bunch of elements 390 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 5: in them this one, but this one was almost pure 391 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 5: aluminum and and made sparks when you put it against 392 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 5: the grinding wheel, and regular aluminum didn't do that. It 393 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 5: just kind of kind of melts. And yeah, this this, 394 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 5: this piece of aluminum was really pure aluminum, and I 395 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 5: suspect it was a aluminum metal with an almost perfect 396 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 5: crystal structure. That's one of the things they're experimenting with 397 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 5: to increase the strength of metals in earthly silence. 398 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 4: It's interesting, you know, we hear about all these different 399 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 4: types of physical evidence, from implants to alleged pieces of 400 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 4: UFO craft as you mentioned that comes up now, and 401 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 4: then to marks left behind like an alien handprint or 402 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 4: even soil samples where. 403 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, I had I had a had five fingered handprints 404 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 5: on my bedroom wall and my my house in my 405 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 5: old house in Fillmore, California, and Barbara did too, actually 406 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 5: in her old apartment. There's alien indelible dies that are 407 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 5: usually left behind after an alien alien experience, and they 408 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 5: fless fluores brightly under shortwave VV and take weeks to 409 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 5: come off, so they're pretty careteristic. 410 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 4: I guess that analyzed. 411 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 5: I tried. It's so hard to get off the substrate 412 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 5: that it's hard to get enough and solution for a 413 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 5: good analysis. But I got a good fluorescent spectrum on 414 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 5: the blue dye. There's a blue dye, a green dye, 415 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 5: a yellow green dye, and an orange dye are commonly seen. 416 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 5: I got a pretty good fluorescent spectrum on the blue dye, 417 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 5: and that tend to indicate that there was an indol 418 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 5: ring in it, which that's found in the amino acid triptophane. 419 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 5: It's also found in certain plocgenic drugs like psilocybin real est. 420 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 5: So it's possible if they use this material to increase 421 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 5: their telepath of control over people, or it might be 422 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 5: a drug of some kind or probably a disinfectant. It 423 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 5: seems to have some medical use anyway, this blue dye. 424 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 4: It's very interesting that there is this physical evidence, these 425 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 4: little trace evidence cases that seem to again be under 426 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,719 Speaker 4: presented it. What do you think of all these different types, 427 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 4: you know, and even there's radiation often detected, of all 428 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 4: these different things, what do you think is the strongest 429 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,479 Speaker 4: physical evidence that we have that you could point to 430 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 4: that there is an alien presence? 431 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 5: Probably the implants. They're actually actual sophisticated nanotechnological devices that 432 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 5: most people say are beyond that. I've seen them, will 433 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,400 Speaker 5: say they're beyond that, are beyond our technology. So I'd 434 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 5: say that they were definitely the strongest physical evidence we 435 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,959 Speaker 5: have thus far, but there's a lot of other evidence. 436 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 5: I mean, any experiencers out there they're listening to this podcast. 437 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 5: All you have to do is get a steadfinder from 438 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 5: the store, a small metal detector usually use to detect 439 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 5: nails and walls, and a short wave of ultraviole alight, 440 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:52,400 Speaker 5: usually used for finding fluorescent minerals, and you can find 441 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 5: some physical evidence of your own. You can detect implants 442 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 5: and also see when you when you've had recent alien 443 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 5: contact by the dye is look behind on your skin. 444 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 5: I get a lot on me. I can send you 445 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 5: a couple of pictures if you like for sure. 446 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 4: That's fascinating. Now, you mentioned that you had this experience 447 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 4: where you saw, I guess, an alien handprint on your wall. 448 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 5: Doctor Lee came over to my Filmore house and did 449 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 5: a through walk through in analysis with his instruments, and 450 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 5: one of the first things we found. The things we 451 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 5: found was a couple of four fingered handprints, child size 452 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 5: four fingered handprints on the wall right next to where 453 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 5: I sleep. 454 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 4: It's scary as well. 455 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, photographed that as well. He was blown away. 456 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 5: I mean there were also. One other piece of physical 457 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 5: evidence is that things that don't normally magnetize give up 458 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 5: magnetic fields. Alien equipment apparently gives off a type of 459 00:26:56,040 --> 00:27:00,400 Speaker 5: magnetic field that will cause organic material and other things 460 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 5: to magnetize. The things that don't normally magnetize, things like 461 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 5: aluminum stainless steel, would. 462 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 4: Did you have wooden spoons in your kitchen become magnetized? 463 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 4: That's correct, Yeah, I mean that's bizarre right there. 464 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 5: Yeah, it is a blue doctor lear Away. And the 465 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 5: magnetic fields in these materials that are that are abnormally 466 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 5: magnetized seem to seem to decrease over a period of weeks, 467 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 5: so it doesn't last forever like with ordinary magnetic material. 468 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 5: But it's it's very interesting that I suspect it some 469 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 5: sort of a man it's either an ultra strong magnetic 470 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 5: field or some sort of a magnetic monopole, or a 471 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 5: field with one one type of pole stronger than the other. 472 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 4: It does, though, Now has anyone come to analyze that 473 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 4: or kind of try to figure out what's happening. 474 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 1: No. 475 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 5: I speculate that the magnetic field that they're using magnetizes 476 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 5: the fabrica space itself, and that kind of soaks into 477 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 5: objects around it and then leaks out over time. But 478 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 5: that's I've never heard anybody else come up to any 479 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,360 Speaker 5: theories about it, Like. 480 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 4: Did you save any of these artifacts? Like did you 481 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 4: cut out that piece of the wall with the handprint? 482 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 4: Did you? Oh? Yeah, yeah you did, so we still 483 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 4: have that. 484 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 5: Well, it was stolen a few months back, but I 485 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 5: had no I wish I were. 486 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 4: Oh God, but do you have the other things, like 487 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,880 Speaker 4: the spoons or any of these things that we could 488 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 4: still have checked? Well? 489 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 5: I monitored them for quite some time, but the magnetic 490 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 5: field goes away over about an eight week period generally, 491 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 5: so there's nothing to find. 492 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 4: Now, I see. And do you have any any guesses 493 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 4: as to what could have caused this short term change? 494 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 5: I mean in the magnetic fields? Yes, yeah, Like I said, 495 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 5: I think that the magnetic field that they're using is 496 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,959 Speaker 5: probably a magnetic monopole, or at least a field with 497 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 5: one pole stronger than the other. There's been some reports 498 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 5: of that with amateur scientists that are into magnets. I 499 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 5: think that it causes a magnetic polarity in the fabric 500 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,959 Speaker 5: of space itself, and that can soak into objects and 501 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 5: give them a magnetic field and then soak out or 502 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 5: go away over time. 503 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 4: Have you seen these sort of anomalies in other cases 504 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 4: besides your own? 505 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I've investigated several people's houses that are frequent 506 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 5: flyer experience ers, shall we say. 507 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 4: Right right? Which tends to be the case in fact, 508 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 4: we come back. We want to ask you more about that, Steve, 509 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 4: if you would, We're going to ask you about more 510 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 4: about your personal experiences regarding your et contact. 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New shows come out every Friday, so 535 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 2: I'll be looking for you right here on the iHeartRadio 536 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 2: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast network. 537 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: You're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM 538 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: Paranormal podcast. 539 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 4: We are back on Beyond Contact. We're talking to Steve 540 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 4: Colburn about his personal experiences with et contact. Steve, have 541 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 4: you had these contact experiences your entire life? Yeah? 542 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 5: I think so. I remember when I was five years 543 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 5: old seeing a right yellow UFO that looked a lot 544 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 5: like Lazaar's sport model hovering over my parents' house. That 545 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 5: was maybe four in the morning before sunrise. I stared 546 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 5: at it for a couple of minutes and then locked 547 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 5: out and woke up after the sun rose about maybe 548 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 5: eight am, and I had blood all down the front 549 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 5: of me, and Bailey remembered somebody putting something up my nose, and. 550 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's very common. We hear that time and time again. 551 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, and right after that. I right after that, like 552 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 5: turning on a switch. I was interested in anything to 553 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 5: do with space or aliens, or UFOs and you were 554 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 5: not previously, well, not as much now. I mean, it 555 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 5: became kind of a kind of a mild obsession after 556 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 5: the inflant in me, which I think is what they did. 557 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 5: I just had a vague feeling that something was going 558 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 5: on at night that I didn't know, I didn't know about, 559 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 5: or couldn't remember. I was afraid of the closet and 560 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 5: monsters under the bed and all that kind of thing. 561 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 5: And maybe that's for real experiencers. 562 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 4: Sure. 563 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 5: Then, I remember when I was in my twenties, I 564 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 5: had an experience where we had a vacation place in 565 00:32:55,480 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 5: Bullhead City, Arizona. I was driving from Barstow to Needles. 566 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 5: On the last leg of the trip, I got about 567 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 5: five miles outside Barstow. Then the next thing I remember, 568 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 5: I was pulling in the Needles and didn't have any 569 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 5: memory of the previous two hundred miles driven. Then another time, 570 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 5: on the same highway, Highway forty, I was traveling the 571 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 5: opposite direction at night. The first experience took place in 572 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 5: the daytime. I was traveling the opposite direction at night, 573 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 5: about when it was nineteen eighty nine. I looked at 574 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 5: the clock and it was about ten o'clock. Then I 575 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 5: looked at the clock what seemed like thirty seconds later, 576 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 5: and it was one o'clock in the morning. I stopped 577 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 5: at the nearest town, which is Ludlow, California, and checked 578 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 5: their clock just to make sure that it wasn't some 579 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 5: screw up with my car clock or something, And indeed 580 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 5: three hours had passed that I couldn't account for. 581 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 4: Again, that's a common thing in people's accounts, and it's interesting, 582 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 4: this missing time element. 583 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, another time, on the same road a few months later, 584 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 5: I saw a yellow, glowing UFO must have been a 585 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 5: quarter mile in diameter. It's the biggest discshaped when they make. 586 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 5: It was paralleling the highway, not going very fast, and 587 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 5: cars were full knock at it. It discharged several smaller objects, 588 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 5: then finally disappeared behind the mountain. That was one of 589 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 5: my best close up sidings. 590 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,799 Speaker 4: That's an interesting account. Sure, what was it like when 591 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 4: you encountered beings? Did they appear like stereotypical gray aliens 592 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 4: or was it something different? 593 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, stereotypical grace, and I remember getting hypnotized. I regressed 594 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 5: over that incident where I had the three missing hours, 595 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 5: and I remembered under hypnosis that they told me telepath 596 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 5: for me to pull over, and I pulled over after 597 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,839 Speaker 5: first trying first hitting the gas and trying to get 598 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,959 Speaker 5: away from this UFO that was hovering over me. There's 599 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 5: a strange phenomenon where they have a different personality track 600 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 5: set up for you when you're with them. It's kind 601 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 5: of like the movie Total Recall, where Arnold had his 602 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,399 Speaker 5: Mars personality and his Earth personality that they that they'd 603 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 5: put in there. It's like that with with alien abduction. 604 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 5: That's why you don't remember. It's because the memories are 605 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 5: still there, but they're on a different person track. They 606 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,800 Speaker 5: connected with the subconscious sometimes during dreams. But anyway, I 607 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 5: pulled over and my second personality kicked in. They pulled, 608 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 5: I pulled over, and an alien beamed into onto the 609 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 5: pavement near the driver's side of the car where I stopped. 610 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 5: Everybody as a handler, at least that's my understanding this 611 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 5: guy was. I was, I believe my handler, and he said, 612 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 5: you know, Colburn, somebody at your level should know better 613 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 5: than to try to run from us. Wow, I go, 614 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 5: I'm sorry, sir. It took a while for my memory 615 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 5: to kick in. And then he said go with them 616 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,840 Speaker 5: and collect some samples. I walked off the road with 617 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,360 Speaker 5: a couple of worker Grays and they had a UFO 618 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 5: landed nearby, and there were a bunch of people in 619 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 5: there that they just collected from the LA area. I 620 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 5: don't want to go into it too far. It's pretty 621 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,280 Speaker 5: kind of disturbing. 622 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 4: That's fine. I just want to know. Do you have 623 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 4: an impression that they were biological, technological, or something completely different. 624 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 5: I think there are beings that have had technology for 625 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,120 Speaker 5: so long that they've messed themselves up with it and 626 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,279 Speaker 5: adapted to it. I think that the Grays used to 627 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 5: be like us, but they've been messed up by exposure 628 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 5: to radiation, over use of technology like genetic engineering and transporters. 629 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 4: Taken to an extreme. 630 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, take into an extreme. And I think they genetically 631 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 5: engineered themselves to have a higher IQ and then eliminated 632 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 5: emotion to facilitate having higher intelligence. They realized now that 633 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,360 Speaker 5: was a mistake, and they're trying to get some members 634 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 5: of their society that going that have emotions again. 635 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 4: And you've put that slightly different than I've ever heard before, 636 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 4: and I think it sounds like it resonates to me. 637 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,880 Speaker 4: I really do feel that's fascinating. Do you have a 638 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,919 Speaker 4: takeaway message that you perhaps got from them? 639 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 5: They told me that this is a very important planet 640 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 5: and it's very valuable. They don't want people messing it up. 641 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,719 Speaker 5: There's only four or five like it in the galaxy. 642 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 5: Planets where there's some air and some water and some 643 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,440 Speaker 5: life are pretty common, but planets that are teeming with 644 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 5: life like this, that have nollions of species are not 645 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 5: common at all, and they don't want it messed up. 646 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 5: They're very concerned about our nuclear weapons programs, and they've 647 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,399 Speaker 5: taken steps to control that behind the scenes. They also 648 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 5: told me that most experiencers are genetically modified. They have 649 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 5: an mo where they abduct pregnant women from bloodlines that 650 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,400 Speaker 5: are interested in and genetically modify it. 651 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,839 Speaker 4: Vius interesting. Have you had any other physiological ramifications from 652 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 4: having these encounters? 653 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:30,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, I have a cluster headaches, very painful migraine type headaches, 654 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,799 Speaker 5: and I have reason to believe that it's a side 655 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 5: effect of a brain implant. The condition is rare in 656 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 5: the general population, maybe one in one in a thousand 657 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 5: to one in ten thousand people out in the general population, 658 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 5: but it's very common an experience er. It's probably about 659 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 5: twenty to forty percent of experiencers have the condition, and 660 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 5: they can trigger them at will. To remember one time 661 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,320 Speaker 5: when doctor Lair and I were going to this lady's 662 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,880 Speaker 5: house to in San Diego to analyze her place and 663 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,759 Speaker 5: try to find some physical evidence. She called us up 664 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,920 Speaker 5: and said that she couldn't make it because she had 665 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,800 Speaker 5: a cluster headache. I remember thinking that when I had 666 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:07,839 Speaker 5: before I learned how to treat him. I remember thinking 667 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:09,400 Speaker 5: when I had one of those headaches that she had, 668 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,279 Speaker 5: even morphine wuldn't touch the pain. And sure enough she 669 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:13,880 Speaker 5: said the same thing that they took her to the 670 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,120 Speaker 5: emergency room and gave her morphine and it didn't help. 671 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,719 Speaker 4: Incredible. Do you do you think that overall you've had 672 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 4: anything that you would consider positive from these encounters, that 673 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:24,960 Speaker 4: the effectuld you in a positive way at all. 674 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 5: Well, I think I know a lot of things that 675 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,279 Speaker 5: most people don't know. But it makes it hard to 676 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 5: fit in down here with other people. It's like being 677 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 5: a different subspecies or something. A lot of people have 678 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,959 Speaker 5: said the same thing that I've talked to you at conferences. 679 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,759 Speaker 5: There's some positive aspects to it. You get to fly 680 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 5: in space, even though you don't remember it very well. 681 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,600 Speaker 5: A lot of these abjections take place in orbit on 682 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 5: gray motherships. I suppose that's a positive aspect to it, 683 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:54,399 Speaker 5: but in general it's mostly negative. I guess I'm sorry. 684 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,520 Speaker 5: I don't I don't mean to portray myself as a 685 00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,600 Speaker 5: victim or experience, or as victims in general, but it's 686 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 5: like we're part time slaves. They wanted, they want our 687 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,000 Speaker 5: help with their program. They need to take better care 688 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:05,399 Speaker 5: of us. 689 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,040 Speaker 4: If they're going to want in your help or demanding 690 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 4: of your help, it sounds more like the latter. 691 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, you have no choice. I mean they can with 692 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,520 Speaker 5: their telepathy, they can make you do anything they want to. 693 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 5: That's one thing that really that's one thing that really 694 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,360 Speaker 5: scared me when I first got regressed, is that I 695 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,359 Speaker 5: would do anything these people said when I was under 696 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 5: that in that state. 697 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,920 Speaker 4: All the more I think that we wouldn't get disclosure 698 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,000 Speaker 4: officially from the government if they know that this is 699 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,879 Speaker 4: what's happening, because that's scary beyond all help. 700 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,759 Speaker 5: Well, that's why they're experts at mind control. I mean 701 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 5: that they can they can implant suggestions and if they're 702 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,440 Speaker 5: within a certain distance. They can make you do anything 703 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,960 Speaker 5: that they want you to do. They come into your 704 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 5: bedroom at night, take you and come into our cars, 705 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,640 Speaker 5: and we're driving places, and that Garnwell could cause. 706 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,480 Speaker 4: Panic, I would think so Jesus. 707 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,800 Speaker 5: Then again, people can only panic for so long. I 708 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,360 Speaker 5: think they should have come clean on this in nineteen 709 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,160 Speaker 5: forty seven, after Roswell. 710 00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,920 Speaker 4: I agree, all right, Steve, we're out of time, but 711 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,879 Speaker 4: I really really appreciate you sharing all your insights. It's 712 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:07,120 Speaker 4: absolutely fascinating stuff, and I think that implants is something 713 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,640 Speaker 4: we need someone to take up the mantle and pick 714 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,120 Speaker 4: up where doctor Lear left off. I agree with our 715 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,280 Speaker 4: opportunity to get physical evidence. That's that that we need, 716 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 4: you know, and maybe we can learn more about what 717 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 4: they're doing and how they're doing it. 718 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 5: I've tried to find find a doctor that could help 719 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,240 Speaker 5: with this, and so far nobody's interested. They're too scared 720 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,759 Speaker 5: of their reputation and everything. I guess I can't blame them. 721 00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,319 Speaker 4: I can imagine that, but maybe things are changing and 722 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,800 Speaker 4: I will certainly keep my radar up for such a thing. Steve, 723 00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,520 Speaker 4: thanks everyone for listening. You can find Steve at Alienevidenceinc. 724 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,640 Speaker 4: Dot webs dot com. See what what what? Do you 725 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,360 Speaker 4: have a number you want people to reach out to. 726 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:46,439 Speaker 5: If anybody wants a scan for alien evidence, implants and 727 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,799 Speaker 5: evidence recent alien contact, they can call me at eight 728 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,000 Speaker 5: oh five seven one eight one eight. We can scan 729 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 5: you with an ultraviolet light and studfinder and magnetometer and 730 00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:58,239 Speaker 5: a couple other instruments. 731 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,840 Speaker 4: Awesome, Thanks Steve, Thank you. You can find me at 732 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,240 Speaker 4: Twitter and Instagram, at c I t D underscore captain 733 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,440 Speaker 4: Ron contacting thedesert dot com, and stay open minded and 734 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,200 Speaker 4: rational as we explore the unknown right here on the 735 00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,839 Speaker 4: iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast Amnable I guess. 736 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,799 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast 737 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,839 Speaker 1: A and Paranormal podcast Network. Make sure and check out 738 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 1: all our shows on the iHeartRadio app or by going 739 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:41,600 Speaker 1: to iHeartRadio dot com