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Speaker 1: We're joined now from Capitol Hill to continue this conversation

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Speaker 1: by Senator Ted Cruz of Texas.

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Speaker 2: Senator, it's good to see you.

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Speaker 1: We thank you for coming back here as we conduct

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Speaker 1: the conversation here overfunding and our view of the situation

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Speaker 1: in Ukraine. President Zelenski is of course coming to town

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Speaker 1: this week following the UN General Assembly where Anne Marie

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Speaker 1: is right now. He's going to go to the White

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Speaker 1: House and apparently meet at least with Senate leadership and

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Speaker 1: Speaker McCarthy. Senator Cruz, do you plan to meet with

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Speaker 1: President Zelensky and what would you tell him?

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Speaker 3: I will, he will be sitting down with senators and

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Speaker 3: I'll be visiting with him.

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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 3: I think it is in the United States's interest for

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Speaker 3: Russia to lose this war, for Putin to lose this war.

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Speaker 3: But I also think the Biden administration has screwed this

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Speaker 3: up almost from the get go. The Ukraine War did

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Speaker 3: not have to happen, and the reason it happened is

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Speaker 3: because Joe Biden formally waives sanctions on Russia on Putin

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Speaker 3: for the nord Stream two pipeline. Those were so bipartisan

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Speaker 3: sanctions that I had authored that I had written in

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Speaker 3: the law and that had prevented a war, and Biden

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Speaker 3: started as presidency by effectively surrendering on those sanctions to Putin.

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Speaker 3: It's what caused the invasion. And I got to say now,

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Speaker 3: the way the Biden administration is conducting this war is

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Speaker 3: utterly incoherent. Right now, Joe Biden is asking for twenty

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Speaker 3: four billion dollars to go to Ukraine to fight the war,

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Speaker 3: but simultaneously they're announcing that they sent sixteen billion dollars

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Speaker 3: to Iran. Iran is using that money to make drones,

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Speaker 3: and those drones are going to Russia and the Russians

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Speaker 3: are using them to kill Ukrainians.

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Speaker 2: And so.

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Speaker 3: It's funding both sides of the war.

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Speaker 4: It's not sixteen billion dollars, it's six billion dollars, and

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Speaker 4: it's Ranian funds. It's Iranian funds that we're in South Korea,

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Speaker 4: which ran made that money when they got waivers from

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Speaker 4: the Trump administration to sell oil and gas. We saw

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Speaker 4: similar versions of these kind of funds being used, whether

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Speaker 4: the Trump administration. But I'm confused about how sanctions with

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Speaker 4: Putin caused a war with Ukraine. At the same time,

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Speaker 4: it's Republicans in the House who are concerned about sending

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Speaker 4: more aid to Ukraine. How do you really thread the

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Speaker 4: needle there between the two if you don't agree with

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Speaker 3: So let me break down what you said, because there

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Speaker 3: were a number of things you said that were incorrect.

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Speaker 3: Number one, you're right that what they announced this week

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Speaker 3: was six billion dollars in a hostage exchange for five hostages.

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Speaker 3: But that follows two weeks after they released ten billion

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Speaker 3: dollars that came from Iraq to Iran. So in total,

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Speaker 3: it's sixteen billion dollars than the last couple of weeks

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Speaker 3: they have flowed into the Ayatolas coffers. And what this

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Speaker 3: is a part of is essentially the Biden's administration to

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Speaker 3: re enter an Iran nuclear deal. I think this is

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Speaker 3: a down payment on that nuclear deal. And let's be clear,

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Speaker 3: I don't care if this was Iran's money or not.

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Speaker 3: The Iatola Kameini is the leading state sponsor of terrorism

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Speaker 3: hundreds of our allies, and he routinely leads mobs enchanting

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Speaker 3: a bizarre political obsession of the Biden White House to

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Speaker 3: is a one hundred percent certainty this money that they're

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Speaker 2: Americans will die.

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Speaker 3: Not only that by paying ransom, they're effectively sending a

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Speaker 3: will see future American hostages from Iran and from other

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Speaker 3: it's also utterly incoherent because this money is going to

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Speaker 4: And use for humanitarian aid. Cenator, I'm going to give

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Speaker 4: it over to Joe. But the fund being they're just

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Speaker 4: not you are wrong and over the court talking points.

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Speaker 3: Well, but they're factually incorrect. You're repeating talking to Let

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Speaker 1: Because the secretary, the Secretary of State senator said that

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Speaker 2: Are you just.

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Speaker 1: have evidence of a nuclear deal? To what extent? Do

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Speaker 1: you know specifics about this? How come we haven't heard

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Speaker 3: Cruz, Well, the Biden administration is quietly trumpeting this Iran

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Speaker 2: By the way, the.

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Speaker 3: Israelis are very concerned about it, but they faced two

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Speaker 1: Well, President, I want to ask you about where this

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Speaker 1: is going here, Sorry, Anne Marie. When it comes to

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Speaker 1: the matter of a shutdown, Senator, it's looking like this

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Speaker 3: So listen, I don't think we should have a shutdown,

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Speaker 3: but I agree with you that I think it is

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Speaker 4: Senator, Are you following the F thirty five that went missing,

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Speaker 4: because we do have a new statement out from the

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Speaker 4: Acting Commandment of the Marine Corps, General Eric Smith. He's

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Speaker 2: Senator, do you know anything about this?

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Speaker 4: How do you mishandle or not know where an F

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, I would say it's deeply concerning. At this point,

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Speaker 3: and I'm looking forward to that classified briefing, but I

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Speaker 1: Speaking of classified briefings, I'd love to ask you about AI,

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Speaker 1: Senator Cruise. It's something that you've been talking about a

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Speaker 1: bipartisan effort to regulate AI. You've suggested it's too early

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Speaker 2: You at the same time keep that.

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Speaker 1: Out of the hands of China and others who might

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it is critical, as your question suggests,

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Speaker 3: is a bizarre move in Washington, really driven by Chuck

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Speaker 3: Schumer and the Democrats, but you're right, they're a handful

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Speaker 3: it is a bizarre suggestion to have the federal government

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Speaker 3: step in with a heavy handed regulatory regime. Look, the

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Speaker 3: benefits of productivity and job creation from AI are enormous.

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Speaker 3: They have the ability to help drive our economy forward.

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Speaker 3: And if we follow through on the Democrats idea to

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Speaker 3: seeding American leadership and artificial intelligence. Now that's not to

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Speaker 4: Sentator you were, of course in that briefing between a

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Speaker 3: Well, listen, I can tell you eight years ago, in

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Speaker 3: of you know on what date does sky net go active?

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Speaker 3: And as you guys know, sky Net is, of course

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Speaker 3: the artificial intelligence in the Terminator movies that wages a

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Speaker 3: to take risks seriously. Their risks of fraud, their risks

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Speaker 2: All of those are real.

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Speaker 3: But the answer is not to put the federal government

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Speaker 3: you know what, our enemies are not going to stop.

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Speaker 3: China is not going to stop, and so I think

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Speaker 3: it is much better for America to lead rather than

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Speaker 2: I want to ask you this.

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Speaker 1: I never thought, by the way, I'd be spending time

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Speaker 2: But I'll ask you later which one is your favorite? Senator.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious to talk about dress.

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Speaker 2: All right, we got it. Thank you for Thank you

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Speaker 2: for that.

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Speaker 1: Here's what he said, I just have to ask, if

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Speaker 1: you end up serving in the Senate, will you wear

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Speaker 1: shorts to work?

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Speaker 5: Jeez, I don't. I don't anticipate that. That's more of

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Speaker 5: a getting ahead of getting ahead of ourselves here. I

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Speaker 5: I just as soon as I found out what happened,

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Speaker 5: I immediately rushed to the scene and I I went

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Speaker 5: the way I was dressed, and that's how I showed up.

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Speaker 5: Obviously wasn't trying to make fashion sense or history there,

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Speaker 5: but that was just how things worked out.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: I guess fashion history has been made for the full body.

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Speaker 2: Senator, what's your thought on this?

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Speaker 1: You can tell me if it's the end of an

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Speaker 1: era or you're going to start wearing cargo shorts.

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Speaker 2: To work well.

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Speaker 3: Listen, every senator will have to decide how he or

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Speaker 3: she dresses. I can tell you in the eleven years

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Speaker 3: I've been in the Senate, I've only been on the

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Speaker 3: Senate floor in a suit and tie, and as far

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Speaker 3: as I'm concerned, I will continue to only wear a

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Speaker 3: suit and tie on the Senate floor. I think virtually

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Speaker 3: every senator is going to follow that, or for women,

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Speaker 3: the professional dress equivalent, but it's up to each senator

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Speaker 3: to make that decision.

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Speaker 4: Has this gotten a lot of talking points amongst you

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Speaker 4: and your college or is everyone okay with what Senator

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Speaker 4: Schumer has done.

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Speaker 3: I actually think there are a lot of strong opinions,

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Speaker 3: but I'm going to refrain from expressing them publicly, but

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Speaker 3: I will say behind closed doors, lots of people have

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Speaker 3: a prey energized opinion on this topic.

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Speaker 4: I feel like we've stumped you with what I thought

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Speaker 4: would be a very easy question. Texas Senator, thank you

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Speaker 4: so much for joining us. Ted Cruz