WEBVTT - Why you mad Bruh? 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:44.120 Um. If you watch the Coffee Time the baby you 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:46.519 know the name Flame, my role also known as my 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:49.120 role Flame. Come in with last and come in with 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:51.560 jam love lounds. Baby, you better catch it when you 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:55.760 can't drop a knowledge from fatherhood to politics, shouting now comics, 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:59.040 just paying homice. What's up? Tip? Yeah? You know she raped? 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:02.160 Shout towns on speak into the grown a second. We're 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:04.480 gonna last cut of the kicking and at the end 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:06.520 we leave it, which is a lift di spirit. Make 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:08.520 you want to revisit. So your first take a list 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:10.600 of you folks say it slip, oh folks that we 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:14.959 dig it. He don't do what you do? No kiss? 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:18.000 Do what you don't? No kiss, do what I do? 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:43.199 Fame were Flame. We welcome to Left Alone. We're flaming 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:48.200 Nick and my beautiful co host today, Lauren Hogan. Hello, Dick, Hello, Hello, 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:51.160 Hello Lauren? Hi Nick? How are you? I'm all right? 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:54.560 I'm all right, you guys? Where are you? I am 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:58.760 home here in Little Rock Arkroosa. Because COVID restrictions, we're 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:00.440 just trying to be as safe as with we can. 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:02.080 We are and I get you back in a week 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:03.840 or so. You'll be back, you know. But you know 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:06.280 what to do. I ain't do indeed, you ain't got 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:08.320 that that second check yet, I know what to do, 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:12.760 you know, and that and the gloves and everything. It's just, uh, 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:14.800 it's just there are ways to travel and try to 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:16.840 be as safe as possible. Yes, well, we want to 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:18.960 welcome you all to laugh and learn. Thank you guys 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:21.280 for coming on in with myself and with Lauren, and 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:23.880 of course we're a part of Nick Smith and Nick. 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:27.120 How was your week? How was your weekend? My week 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:29.800 was good. You know, it's been a good week. Uh everything, 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:32.919 you know, notwithstanding you know, like everything else, we've been 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:35.639 working the day job and just trying to manage the 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:37.680 day to day of everything. And I think flame more 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:40.799 than anything, it's been me just trying to figure out 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:43.600 the best way to celebrate responsibly, you know, as we 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:47.240 move into the holiday because as we've talked earlier this week, 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:51.240 uh and over the weekend, I'm thinking that with the 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:55.160 roll out of this vaccine, it may be an opportunity 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:58.280 for us to protect ourselves and be a little bit 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:00.800 safer as we get closer to with the holidays. And 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:03.080 you know, I'm just I don't know, I don't know 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:05.000 what to say. I'm just hoping that maybe this will 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:08.200 offer a glimmer of silver lining to that dark cloud. 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:11.760 We will get around to the vaccine later down the lane. 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:14.040 I don't want to have gas. If I stopped talking 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:15.760 about that right now, it's gonna give me gas and 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:19.440 I have popass chicken. So yeah, no, But you know, 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:21.080 you know, I would like to talk to you about 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:24.280 that move though, because that's what's been happening. You spent 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:27.760 the entire Arm weekend moving. I've been moving for like 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:29.760 a week. And she had a drag sail. We can't 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:31.960 forget that. And I had a drag sail. And thank 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:34.960 you guys who bought the worth of clothes that you bought. 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:36.880 I appreciate that. I still got some other stuff left. 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:38.560 But if you missed out on and then you snooze, 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:40.880 you lose that, you know, kind of like the President 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:43.520 the Nikolas, y'all like missed out on a drag Oh, 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:46.160 it goes hand in hand. Secondly, Nick, the move is 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:49.680 still going on. I will technically be officially out of 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:52.800 my old place until my new place no later than Thursday, 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:55.640 because I got a great cleaning crew coming on Friday. 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:57.960 Laurence saw the house. She came back yesterday, so she 0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:02.200 saw the house, but Nick went before. Nick hasn't seen 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:05.160 you know nick name come to work today, So how 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:11.800 about you. I did a drive by, I didn't go in. No, 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:14.880 it's it's really nice. And she has you have two backyards. Really, 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:18.719 I have to backyard. Timmy has a place to run around. 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:20.320 So the move has been great. A lot of stuff 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:21.960 other stuff is going on in my personal life, but 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:23.720 I am here to work today and laugh and learn 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:26.479 with you guys with the Flame Family, with Lauren, with 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:29.560 Triple the producer, with Kindle the videographer, and we are 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:31.520 here to give you all the show. It is so 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:33.920 much going on. So Nickolas, since you can be here 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:35.719 in studio with us, and I know we were trying 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:37.560 to do the whole zoomie thing. Hold on, let me 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:40.560 slide that week back. Just the tank see this one. 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:43.080 You know you get on the week moves. When I move, 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:47.040 it's like ludicrous. When I move, you move just like that. Hey, 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:49.560 we will be bringing you ain't back and forth, back 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:51.600 and forth because of the topics that we're covering today, 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:54.359 and some stuff is very important and you are, Lauren 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:58.039 are so um knowledgeable about some of the things that 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:00.560 we're talking about today, and I'm going to really let 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:02.400 y'all take the floor because what we want to do 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:05.640 today is teach and get everybody ready for the aftermap 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:08.240 or for the beginning of what is coming, because a 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:10.120 lot is coming. So we're gonna be going back and 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:13.040 forth for you today. Is that who? That sounds great 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:14.520 to me? You know, I think a lot of people 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:16.880 are standing in line watching right now. So I do 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:18.400 want to give a shout out to those who are 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:21.240 in Georgia right now because today is early voting, the 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:23.560 first day of early voting. A lot of people are 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:25.479 sliding my d ms just to say, Nick, you and 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:28.680 Flame gonna remind people. We're definitely reminding people today, those 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:31.160 who are watching the slide and then you know, hopefully 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:34.719 people will take an opportunity to engage in early votings. 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:37.720 There you go, and Georgia, Georgia. I know it's asking 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:40.160 a lot. I know you guys think that it's asking 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:43.200 a lot to get back out there standing land vote again. 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:46.080 Do this again. But the importance of this vote is 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:51.640 as as significant as the presidential vote, because if we 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:53.960 do not take half of the Senate and get a 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:56.360 place where we have some kind of control. It's gonna 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:58.400 be as bad as it was the last four years. 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:00.719 He won't be in office, but Mitch mccona was still 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:04.080 there and he is still blocking everything. So we have 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:07.560 to get ourselves in a position to where we have 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:10.080 some say so over what is going on over all 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:13.760 American lives, not just blacks or browns, but all Americans. 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:18.599 So our first topic, we're talking about the executions that 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:21.240 Donald Trump is trying to push before he gets out office. 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:24.640 They just executed someone, when was it Friday? To right? 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:28.719 That was bourgeois? Yeah, there was, it was Brandon Bernard 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:32.839 was on the eleventh and okay, and there are five 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:36.320 more in five different states, including uh women a white 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:40.440 woman actually right? Yes? Right? Or what's happening is what 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:43.640 what what happens is everyone is at the is at 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:47.480 the FCC, which is the Federal Correction Complex and Terra Haled, Indiana. 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:50.599 So regardless of where they may have committed the crime 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:54.120 or have been sentenced, they've all been transferred there. Uh. 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:58.360 And it's Indiana that has been uh killing them so 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:02.000 or or um carrying out their sentence. I don't want 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:05.680 to be uh cavalier or callous about it because, as 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:08.920 we discussed, you know, uh, these are people who were 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:13.600 tried and convicted you know, by a jury of their peers. Um. 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:16.920 The I think the larger question has been why have 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:22.440 we reenacted the death penalty to actually carry these out? 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:26.640 Because it's something that hadn't not been done in a 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:29.280 very long time. In fact, Lauren and I were talking 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:31.720 about that. I think it has been more than seventeen years, 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:34.720 Lauren or something like that. And it's just uh so, 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:36.920 it just has a lot of people have said that 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:42.000 these uh steps that some people believe to be draconian 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:45.400 are being carried out, um and being carried out so quickly. 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:47.880 Um so Yeah, that that that's a problem. And that 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:50.520 is that is my question. What is his big rush 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:52.920 to have all these executions done before he is out 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:55.720 of office? What did he have like twenty days? Nineteen days? 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:58.440 And he's in a rushan kid, No, seriously, he's in 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:01.320 a rush. Who pushed these execute just before he's out office? 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:03.160 I want to know what is the urgency behind that? 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:06.200 Why is he doing all of that? Yeah? Yeah, and 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:08.600 and and and it's tough mm hm. And I mean 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:10.760 it interestingly enough, it doesn't seem like there's a rhyme 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:13.160 or reason to it. I found it interesting though, that 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:15.560 one of the individuals that is, you know, scheduled to 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:18.240 be executed is a white woman, because initially I thought 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:19.680 it was all people of color. So that was a 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:23.000 pleasant surprise for me. Um. But in some ways, you know, 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:25.880 people said it's race related. So I would be curious, Nick, 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:29.360 what are your thoughts? Well, you know, I think, Um, 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:34.280 I personally believe that we cannot exclude anything when it 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:37.680 comes to this particular administration, right, Um. I think that 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:41.560 people often cite as an example the clemency that he 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:48.880 gave to Um. Her name is escaping Alice Walker but 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:53.640 ellis Johnson john but but to but to think that 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:58.080 even that wasn't strategic in and of itself, I think 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:01.559 it by his own stimation, he being President Trump, I 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:04.160 think it played to a certain base, or he felt 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:06.360 as though it would. I don't believe it was done 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:10.720 out of altruism. That's my personal belief. Um. I believe 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:14.360 that it was definitely done with an agenda. But now 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:19.520 is that the lady who was Alice Johnson and interesting 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:21.880 in left with Brandon Bernard. She also reached out to 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:24.960 Donald Trump again and said please, you know, stay his execution, 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:28.280 don't do this, and he just completely ignored her. So 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:31.240 that's that's also interesting too. So what is the motivation 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:34.280 to your point, there's Alice Johnson where maybe it was 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:37.959 a good look for you politically, or you know, what 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:40.040 was the rhyme reason to it? Because now it doesn't 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:42.040 seem like you're giving a care in the world about 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:45.520 these individuals being executed. Absolutely, and I know that there 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:48.960 are death row experts and um those in journalism who 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:52.719 are committed to this particular area. UM. I do know 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:58.320 that supposedly, um it costs more to actually uh keep 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:01.640 alive than it is to ex cute UM. I also 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:06.560 believe that um uh families who have been victimized deserve 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:10.160 some type of justice. So I think that it's um 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:13.080 it's a thorny issue all the way around. And it 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:16.520 goes back to what our larger question was, why the rush? 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:21.040 Why now, what's the deal and why these particular people 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:25.200 When you have someone like say Scott Peterson, who you know, 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:29.200 uh California, just remind our viewers, uh was the one 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:32.360 who was tried and convicted uh in the Bay Area 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:35.720 of of of killing his wife and his unborn child 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:39.480 that he went fishing on Christmas Day, you know, and 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:41.880 and he could not have possibly done it yet you know, 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:45.160 I think his wife's name was Stacy. All this escapes 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:46.800 to me now, but it's just it's one of those 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:49.160 things where it seems like there have been situations that 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:54.200 have been extremely egregious, where justice has been delayed for 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:58.040 families who feel that's a good point right there, delayed 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:01.840 Dylan Ruth and it in the House delay because both 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:04.200 of those should be Because I'm not gonna say that 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:06.320 I don't believe in execution, or if I do believe 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:10.000 in execution, I am partially a vigilante. Let me just 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:11.439 say that, if you do some ship to me, I'm 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:13.880 coming at the OSS, you ain't gonna even recognize me 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:15.280 because I ain't gonna look like this. I'm gonna look 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:16.720 like somebody else. I'm gonna walk right up and you're 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:19.880 gonnaven recognize me. You think she coming, she ain't coming. 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:22.760 That nigger coming up, and they're gonna show up any 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:25.280 who those are who should And you know, the privatized 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:27.720 prison system when it's interesting, you said it's costs more 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:31.360 to keep them alive. They're they're making six hundred million 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:36.200 dollars per day with the privatizing UH prison institutions. That's 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:40.120 a big business. And guess who's in jail. It's it's 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:42.280 modern day slavery. We're going to really call it what 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:45.600 it is. It's modern day slavery. The industrial prison complex 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:48.840 is definitely a real thing. Um. But you know that 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:52.680 too raises issues because what also happens, and this is 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:55.880 the ugly side that nobody talks about. Those prisons are 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:59.600 usually built in communities where there isn't much industry. They 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:03.920 immediate lee by building that prison, create jobs, restaurants are 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:06.839 able to have a constant flow of people all of 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:10.679 a sudden, the tax base helps that community build classrooms. 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:15.600 So it is, um, it's a tricky situation where, um, 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:19.520 the the industry you get may not be the industry 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:22.440 you really want. But at the end of the day, 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:27.120 it's uh, it's a business, and unfortunately prisons should be 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:32.880 I think about reform and not about being a money 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:36.840 making situation. But again, there are those who have studied 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:40.640 this UH, this area inside out who who may feel differently. 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:43.840 Lauren will tell you about who is helping to reform 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:46.480 the prison system. Who is it, Lauren, Well, Kamala Harris 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:49.840 did interesting. I know that she's had some controversy regarding, 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:52.000 you know, her stay when she was the Attorney General 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:54.600 of California, and a lot of folks feel like she 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:58.559 put us black and brown folks in jail. However, she 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:01.800 did create prison reform for black folks for them to 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:05.120 when they actually get out, to reacclimate themselves with society 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:07.600 and those sort of things. So, I mean, there's good 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:09.400 and bad with it, I will say, but in a 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:10.800 lot of ways, Nick, I do agree with you. And 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:12.520 I'm also trying to look at the comments too as 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:15.040 we're talking about this. Uh, some people are saying that 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:16.960 most of women of color are the ones that are 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:19.640 really on death row, which I didn't know that. Somebody 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:22.760 just founded that off in the comments. Well again, I 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:26.600 think that because um uh one, I don't know that 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:29.600 to be a fact. But that wouldn't surprise me, right, 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:33.000 because I do think that. Once again, I personally believe 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:36.360 in flame. And I've had this conversation offline and I'll 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:38.439 just share it here because I don't think this is 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:42.160 a revolutionary in any way at all. I personally believe 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:45.560 you get the justice you can afford. I personally do 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:48.000 I think that there are those who move in different 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:52.319 tax brackets that will never experience, um, the court system, 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:56.960 uh the way those who are not of means um 0:13:57.000 --> 0:14:01.440 that being African Americans in some cases as well. I 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:07.040 personally believe were I married to Nicole Brown Simpson, who 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:10.720 may have allegedly had an affair, who may have allegedly 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:13.400 been caught with her boyfriend, when I came home and 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:17.280 had I had footprints leading back to my home and 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:20.280 my shoe had been found, I don't know that I 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:23.400 would have gotten away since I am not as wealthy 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:27.480 as uh Mr Simpson was who was tried and who 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:30.320 was acquitted. So UM, I don't know that I would 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:33.560 have earned an acquittal. Um is what I'm saying. But 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:35.720 I want to touch on part of what you just said, Nick, 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:37.600 because I think a great example we can bring up 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:41.200 here is Khalif Browder. You mentioned how if somebody gets arrested, 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:42.880 you know, if you are of a lower income, you 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:45.680 can't afford bail. So a lot of people end up 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:49.960 being remanded to actual custody and going to like Rikers Island, 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:51.920 and that's what happens to Kali Browder and he was 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:53.920 stuck there for three years because he couldn't afford a 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:57.360 proper attorney and couldn't afford bail. And and that that 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:01.400 is the problem I believe with our judicial a system. Um. 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:04.200 We were talking about this earlier to Flame a couple 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:06.200 of weeks ago. Flame. You will remember there was a 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:08.520 ballot initiative and I said, Flame, you know that was 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:11.680 strategic where it was an older African American woman kind 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:13.720 of looked like my mom. Remember, I said, Flame, that 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:16.440 that's somebody's mother or auntie. Um. And it was all 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:19.280 about bail reform in California. You know, you remember what 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:21.520 I'm talking about, Remember, Yeah. And I just thought it 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:24.040 was such a powerful ad because it was very simple. 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:28.760 It was something that suggested that uh, trying to come 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:31.000 up with bail for a family member who may have 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:34.000 made a mistake until they are actually trying to convict, 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:36.200 it help me bring them home so that we can 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:39.080 go through this together. That's what I took away from it, 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:42.400 Um without them ever saying that, but it made it 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:45.480 clear that they're to me that they believe. Their argument 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:48.480 was there are certain groups that have been removed from 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:52.600 the process of being able to uh advocate at the 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:57.320 same rate that those who are able to get bail can. Yeah, 0:15:57.680 --> 0:16:01.560 and here's the here's another Okay, y'all, don't hate me, 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:04.720 but here's another situation. So if I own my own home, 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:06.920 if our own property, if I own a business, and 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:08.920 I have to put my business on my property up 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:11.280 to get my friend or my partner, or my wife 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:13.160 or husband or one of my children out of jail, 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:15.320 and they break bad on me and I lose my 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:17.800 my property or my home, which has happened in lots 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:20.600 of circumstances, and not just in the black community. You know, 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:22.560 it makes people leary. I'm not gonna put myself in 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:25.720 that situation again. And I understand about the finances of 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:28.400 it all. But the privatized prison system is fucked up. 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:30.520 Let me just say that. And I'm saying on this 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:32.760 side because when I was in prison, it was I 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:35.200 was not in the privatized prison, and it wasn't like that. 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:37.120 This was ninety one, So I was able to pick 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:38.680 up the phone when I need to use the phone. 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:40.400 If I had money on my books. I had tons 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:41.720 of money on the books. I had just robbed the 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:43.920 damn bank. I had like ten thousand dollars. In my book, 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:45.480 I was able to go to commissary and do what 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:47.880 I needed to do. It's not like that anymore. Now 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:50.320 there's levels and you have to wait for people's number 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:52.080 to be on there. And and you know, we had 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:54.160 everybody had a house phone at that time. I still 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:56.040 had one of my old school but you could call 0:16:56.280 --> 0:16:58.360 collect and you know that you get to collect call 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:00.440 from someone. So none of that is the truth. Now 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:02.280 you have to have these cards, and the money has 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:05.600 to be other cards, and people have to be scrutinized 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:08.280 through their phone system and it's real personal. Now, I 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:10.119 wouldn't go to jail now, I'm gonna tell you right now, 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:11.680 I ain't gonna do ship that's gonna make me go 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:13.280 to jail. So see, please, don't nobody made me do 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:14.639 nothing to make me go to jail, because you know, 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:16.439 if you crossed the lane, I'm going to jail. Uh. 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:19.800 And I just want to follow up on that because 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:23.160 this this this is really interesting. You mentioned that, uh, 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:26.440 and maybe you can give some insight on this. Do 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:28.800 you believe the way the system is set up it 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:31.320 really is built to reform or do you believe that 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:35.040 that that's a flawed it's it's absolutely built to fail. 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:38.880 I went in jail because I did for the deceptive practice. 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:40.720 But I was only in there for forty eight days. 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:43.240 But in them forty eight days, I learned so many 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:46.480 new tricks of scam and robbery while I was in there, 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:48.640 So it was almost like going to school to learn 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:52.080 more tricks of the trade. Honestly, it really was. It 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:55.240 was nobody was in We didn't have reform too. You 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:56.680 know how they said they have their lives in places 0:17:56.760 --> 0:18:00.680 and what is their watch shoot program? THEIGGA twenty three. 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:02.640 Iur like that we had none of that. We had 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:05.280 none of that back that's this was ninety one, so 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:07.360 we didn't have any of those things to teach us 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:09.040 that when we get out, and then they put the 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:11.720 X on your back, so you already listened as a criminal. 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:14.040 You can't get a job. I was never looking for 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:15.760 a job. I was the entertainer. But think about the 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:17.960 people who tried to get a job and because they 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:20.359 made a mistake, they paid their death to society. But 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:22.280 it was not good enough. They still had the X 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:24.520 on their back, so they couldn't find jobs. They couldn't 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:27.280 find work, so they go back to either the crime 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:29.800 that they learned that they went to jail four originally, 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:32.040 or the new one that they learned since they've been 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:34.280 in there. Because you learned a lot of crime in jail, 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:36.960 because we all we will sit around and tell our stories. 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:39.880 It's very different. There is not reforming, not in not 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:42.320 in the Illinois River prison that I was in. I 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:43.840 don't know about it. And it goes back to what 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:46.199 you talked about also too. You mentioned this to me 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:49.280 before you said to me Nick, people are going to 0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:52.200 find a way to survive. Of course that that that 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:55.360 that's just going to happen. So if I keep knocking 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:57.800 you down when you get out and I've put this 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:01.120 X on you and telling you, hey, you're back here, 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:03.760 but you don't belong to us, you you because of 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:06.880 that mistake that I said that, We as a society 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:10.240 said that once you do X, Y and Z, you 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:12.840 have paid your debt. But now it looks like that 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:16.199 debt has come with uh an extra tax. Right. Um, 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:19.520 we we that all of a sudden that wasn't good enough. 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:22.359 We're still going to marginalize you from employment. We're going 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:25.160 to marginalize you from being able to vote, and participate 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:29.200 in civic activities that affect you. So yeah, there, there's definitely, 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:32.879 there's definitely a double edged sword. And I believe that 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:35.679 so much of the prison system um is built on 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:40.400 profit and not necessarily reforming or rehabilitating people. Well, it's 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:42.800 worse where you're at the South because they have changed 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:45.080 gangs and they do we don't see, they didn't do 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:47.120 all that and the knowing you guys had to chain 0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:50.760 gangs and they were doing cheap labor. You know, Uh, 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:53.439 companies were higher than what do you call the companies 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:55.800 when you have to do construction. Companies would go through 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:57.760 the prison to high and even then the movie shall 0:19:57.800 --> 0:20:00.600 Shank redemps. And it's been going on like that in 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:04.120 certain states and stilly Is for years. Well, I think 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:07.720 we'll remember now it's not unique to the South California. 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:11.240 You all employ of federal prisoners on the fire lines. 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:14.040 If it weren't for prisoners fighting have for these fires 0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:16.119 that you all just had. So I think that every 0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:19.520 state has found a way to monetize the labor of 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:22.840 those who have been incarcerated. And I don't know that 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:26.480 just because I'm incarcerated, I should Well, if you help 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:30.720 work this fire, you'll earn points. Uh yeah, maybe no, 0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:33.919 you know, so it's well, well, part well part of that, 0:20:34.000 --> 0:20:36.120 Nick too, I do have to interrupt you, because they did. 0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:38.560 Gavin Newsom just made a change of that where if 0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:40.560 you are helping to fight fires and put in a 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:43.080