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Speaker 1: for this? Jean Merriman A one A hand effect. Boom
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Speaker 1: with Sean Merriman. Hey, what's up, guys. We're back again
Speaker 1: with the Lights Out podcast with me Seawan Merriman. And uh,
Speaker 1: this is pretty cool. Got a man shack lawson on
Speaker 1: um got drafted one of the Buffalo Bills. Uh, and
Speaker 1: just outstand and player we get into it. But playing
Speaker 1: with Rex Ryan or playing for Rex ryans Uh, that
Speaker 1: defense over there and always that Buffalo love. Look, anytime
Speaker 1: we got anybody connects to the Buffalo Bills, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna show you guys love out there very special place,
Speaker 1: not just to me but many people. UM. And you
Speaker 1: know his once to um you know, get better man
Speaker 1: to play play possibly played, but the Buffalo Bills in
Speaker 1: that division. You know. Now he gets to go against
Speaker 1: his former team and looks like the Patriots maybe down
Speaker 1: and out for the next few years while they rebuild.
Speaker 1: So it looked like the Buffalo Bills and Miami Dolphins. Um,
Speaker 1: you know for the next couple of years. He just
Speaker 1: signed a three year contract. Well worth it and looking
Speaker 1: to get paid again man, because he's a hell of
Speaker 1: a player and outstanding guy. Shack lawsuit. Well you are
Speaker 1: where are you right now? Remember Miami? Yeah? Are you
Speaker 1: still you? Are you working out there? And they're doing
Speaker 1: all season two? Uh? Yeah, yeah, I'm doing the rehab
Speaker 1: right now, doing the rehab. I got some stuff cleaned
Speaker 1: up on my body, so I'm doing here right now
Speaker 1: what you have done. My shoulder had to get that,
Speaker 1: had to get my label cleaned up and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So the label dog both both of mine, both of
Speaker 1: my labels. Yeah. I played three years in college with
Speaker 1: a tour label. I ain't know it was touring until
Speaker 1: I got to the team, and I think Jacksonville told
Speaker 1: me it was torn. You know, it's crazy. I'd be
Speaker 1: telling cats all the time, man, because you know, you know,
Speaker 1: you got boys and homeboys and friends who don't play
Speaker 1: sports and they might have a little bump with a
Speaker 1: forearm or something like that, and and cats and football.
Speaker 1: You know, we're running around with half torn labraams seventy
Speaker 1: five percent to labors, and we out playing with it.
Speaker 1: We might throw in a little harness or something, but
Speaker 1: we're going back out there and playing the whole time.
Speaker 1: Fact fact, that's why I did. That's why I ended
Speaker 1: up going. I end up getting used to playing with
Speaker 1: the hardness. So, man, I end up getting comfortable with it.
Speaker 1: So was that was that the only thing you came
Speaker 1: out with this year? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, everything else I
Speaker 1: was healthy. You know, I played all year, play it
Speaker 1: all year through it, so everything else is great. You
Speaker 1: are you working out with the team during the all
Speaker 1: season out there? You got you got your own guy?
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I usually got my own guy. I got
Speaker 1: my own guy. I usually work with p pe in
Speaker 1: with people Bambarrito no p p a Z. James Harrison.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's right, That's that's right. I just talked
Speaker 1: to you. Talk to your boy Elvin too. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be out easy this weekend and I'm hosting a little
Speaker 1: gig and he's gonna come through and slide through and
Speaker 1: chill with me. Okaya, I might be after this weekend.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, let me know, let me know what. Uh so,
Speaker 1: what what's the deal? Man? You? Um you know, you
Speaker 1: know it's funny. So we we started, we started talking.
Speaker 1: When you're playing with Buffalo still, I think that's when
Speaker 1: we first connected. And uh, you know, I tell people
Speaker 1: all the time, I said, I was scratching the screaming
Speaker 1: going to Buffalo like I did. I just didn't want
Speaker 1: to go because I was playing with the charges. And
Speaker 1: I got out there, I said, man, listen, I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to go here. But that that love though, that
Speaker 1: that Buffalo show you why you out there. It's something.
Speaker 1: It's something completely different. Is that? Is it different from
Speaker 1: Miami and playing up there? Yeah, it's way different. Buffalo love. Man.
Speaker 1: I'm down here in Miami, and I still get love
Speaker 1: from Buffalo, you know, even though I choose the robbery
Speaker 1: to come down here. Buffalo fans I always love me.
Speaker 1: But I'm glad I started my career after somewhere cold
Speaker 1: so I can be like, I'm appreciate this and now
Speaker 1: I can't Georgiana. I mean, that was that was a
Speaker 1: great part about me starting my career at Buffalo. But man,
Speaker 1: keep it real with you, man. I got used to it, man,
Speaker 1: I ain't up getting used to stand up there the
Speaker 1: weather and when free agency came. It was a hard decision, man,
Speaker 1: It was a hard decision to leave, UH. Even even
Speaker 1: though I knew, I knew Miami offered me more, it's
Speaker 1: still kind of hard to the league because I knew
Speaker 1: what those guys had. I mean, those guys had a
Speaker 1: great run this year, and I knew I was gonna
Speaker 1: come back and be a four time starter down and
Speaker 1: me and coach Fraser, that's that was my guy. That
Speaker 1: was my guy. So it was just a hard decision.
Speaker 1: But you know, so I know, I mean, you got
Speaker 1: y'all made a complete one eighty from from what I was,
Speaker 1: you know a year or two ago when they wasn't
Speaker 1: playing well done there, But was you sitting back and
Speaker 1: watching them in the play a block watching Buffalo in
Speaker 1: the playoffs? Like, man, you know you wish you could
Speaker 1: either play there or wish that y'all had an opportunite.
Speaker 1: Y'all had the squad too when you were there. It's
Speaker 1: just that they're never paying out some of them games.
Speaker 1: I've just seen me built like I came in. Man,
Speaker 1: I was one of Rex Ryan last draft pick UH
Speaker 1: Coach mcderman cupt around, so I was done when they
Speaker 1: started that the ground up and still watch them, see
Speaker 1: them progress in the playoffs. I know the last shot
Speaker 1: was part of the team went to a playoffs, but
Speaker 1: we gave up a six team part lead. And see
Speaker 1: this year they end up winning two games. Man, you
Speaker 1: can see that team just just watching mass seeing this
Speaker 1: growth growth and and seeing they could just gonnaly get
Speaker 1: better man to compete and gets them through the divisions.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be it's gonna be a battle between us
Speaker 1: and US and and the Bills in the coming a
Speaker 1: couple of years. Oh for sure, per cents. You know,
Speaker 1: I played with one of your one of your teammates
Speaker 1: dpted in now with this Patrick with Fitzing, and I
Speaker 1: do I got some I got some great stories, man,
Speaker 1: because I try to tell cats how how cool he
Speaker 1: is man and how like you just he one of
Speaker 1: those cashes you just like to have in a locker
Speaker 1: room man, because he's always a good time man, always
Speaker 1: good spirits. And then it's something it's just something about
Speaker 1: you know, maybe you could explain it better, but it
Speaker 1: was something about playing with with Fitzpatrick man that always
Speaker 1: felt like this dude was exciting, He's gonna win. He
Speaker 1: might go out and went for Yeah, man, playing with Fits.
Speaker 1: You know, I played against some last couple of years,
Speaker 1: but actually been on the team within him. Man, he's
Speaker 1: a credible guy, you know. And it's crazy part about
Speaker 1: it because you see him walking around the facility or something.
Speaker 1: You think, Man, this guy, man, you don't look like
Speaker 1: he could play football and all look like he just
Speaker 1: how he just carried something like you don't play football.
Speaker 1: But when you go out the Sunday and he's just
Speaker 1: a baller man, and Fings want us a lot of
Speaker 1: games that ship. Man, we're gonna mrs leadership, you know.
Speaker 1: Um I learned a lot from him from being down
Speaker 1: here just this one year and things like that. But man,
Speaker 1: we're gonna miss having him around because I mean, you
Speaker 1: know Fit Fits, uh you know Phisical get you five
Speaker 1: touchdowns man and stuff like that. You know how to
Speaker 1: fix it, you know, come out there, do you want
Speaker 1: crazy crazy game? And yeah, they come back. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm Fixings man. So I mean, it's just great
Speaker 1: to play with. Man. What what they I mean? I
Speaker 1: know we saw it on TV, but I don't really
Speaker 1: know how the lationship was with with TWA. Were they
Speaker 1: really were they really tight like that? When you know,
Speaker 1: they had to turn over down and with Tour came
Speaker 1: and stepped in and took took over the road for him. Man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the buss are type no busserre type man being around
Speaker 1: the league, I ain't see that lot, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, how guys, is you you older guy and
Speaker 1: the rickie come in? You know the older guy don't
Speaker 1: either like the ricky. But that was the case with
Speaker 1: fish Patrick. Man, Fitzpatrick was with two every time he
Speaker 1: helped him out, you know, congratulate him he threw it
Speaker 1: if he threw a pig or threw a bad pass
Speaker 1: or something like that. Fixed was first want to bring
Speaker 1: him up. So man takes us the first one by
Speaker 1: his corner every time. No, I said the same thing
Speaker 1: to dude, and I, um, I just running thing. I
Speaker 1: would always go by Fitzpatrick locker and grab his hair
Speaker 1: on his chest and like keep running by. And he
Speaker 1: want of them dudes. Man as just always in a
Speaker 1: good mood. And so how does Tour of been man?
Speaker 1: Why you've been down there because you know this one.
Speaker 1: I got a chance to meet him yet in person.
Speaker 1: But um does he does he take over that road?
Speaker 1: Is he? You? Guys? Feel like confident with him walking
Speaker 1: around the locker room. Is he got his feet up
Speaker 1: on him yet? Yes? Yes, yes. And I talked to
Speaker 1: Tour outside of football, you know we we uh in
Speaker 1: the same neighborhood and stuff like that. So, I mean
Speaker 1: I talked to two outside of football, and man, he
Speaker 1: he's a leader, man, you know, Um, he's a very
Speaker 1: competitive guy. You know, he's gonna leave this team a
Speaker 1: long way. He came in and played big for laying
Speaker 1: in the season, especially as a ricking ain't getting the
Speaker 1: O T s and none of it, uh the preseason
Speaker 1: games for him to come in underpressure and make the
Speaker 1: plays he did, man, with just incredible. Man, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be It's gonna be big for us in the upcoming
Speaker 1: years with him as our quarterback. You know, I was
Speaker 1: watching your your team, man, and over like the course
Speaker 1: of how y'all have a big turnaround? You know, like
Speaker 1: you did? You know, because it was it was one
Speaker 1: everybody's questioning, you know, questioning the coach, and y'all come
Speaker 1: out and look like a total different team this year. Man,
Speaker 1: And I and I told you before that was gonna happen.
Speaker 1: I said that you gotta give them a second too,
Speaker 1: to get acclimated. You know, it's a lot of moving parts.
Speaker 1: I think when when coach came, I think it was
Speaker 1: six or seven maybe more guys that left either win
Speaker 1: to you know, different teams. I know steals left and
Speaker 1: a bunch of cats left. I said, watch give give them,
Speaker 1: give them do some time, and they're gonna be a
Speaker 1: total different team. Flow about the right guys, and I
Speaker 1: mean playing against these guys last year, they played us hard.
Speaker 1: So I knew when Flow was bringing his right guys in,
Speaker 1: and I knew I had an opportunity. Okay, Miami want
Speaker 1: me and the Buffalo, and I knew I had a
Speaker 1: part of being been a part of something that's rebuilding,
Speaker 1: and I have a chance to start, get a refresh start.
Speaker 1: And man, you know haven't I mean he's anyone. I
Speaker 1: mean her brother too. You know what I'm saying. You
Speaker 1: don't get see, but see Okay, let me ask you,
Speaker 1: because you know I don't. I don't sit there. And
Speaker 1: you know everybody's like, oh, that need to be fifteen
Speaker 1: sixteen black head coaching. But I'm an advocate. There need
Speaker 1: to be more black coaches than that fail period. And
Speaker 1: so that's why when when be flowed the coaches out there,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, if he's winning and he making everybody
Speaker 1: look good, more people is going to have an opportunity,
Speaker 1: you know, more more black head coach will have an opportunity.
Speaker 1: And I'm glad he turned that thing around, Like does
Speaker 1: that conversation never come up with you know, with y'all
Speaker 1: or the team. Man, I would have been around the
Speaker 1: building initial man and I said, Man, this is me
Speaker 1: being in the year league five years. I ain't never
Speaker 1: been in the building with so many black employees, black
Speaker 1: coaches and things like that. So Man, and I was
Speaker 1: telling them, and I'll be thinking, you know, you know
Speaker 1: it's a business lead you know, new coaches, you you
Speaker 1: get two years basically, get two years to prove what
Speaker 1: you can do. So, Man, when we came out there
Speaker 1: and played this ship for flow Man and and he
Speaker 1: bought the right guys for us, like Calvin Noyd, Brian Jones,
Speaker 1: Zavia Howard, you know, the best corner of the league.
Speaker 1: So putting those guys with a great defense and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, Man, we knew we had a chance to
Speaker 1: make a run for him to be a coach and
Speaker 1: see him succeed the black, the black sed coaches. It
Speaker 1: was great. Like I seen something the other day. I
Speaker 1: think I guess it was the divisional game. They had
Speaker 1: like folk folk coordinators, all black coaching the game. Man.
Speaker 1: I was like, man, that's something to be proud about. Man,
Speaker 1: for is he like a players coach? Y'all come in um,
Speaker 1: because you know I played with I played with coach.
Speaker 1: I've had black coaches that, you know, try to act
Speaker 1: more like the coach and don't want to be you
Speaker 1: know what, like, is he one of the players, guys,
Speaker 1: He's coming and mess with y'all and joke around with
Speaker 1: you all a little bit, or yeah, yeah, he come
Speaker 1: junk around with you. But he's gonna keep it real too.
Speaker 1: And you're like, he ain't gonna never simple code name. Man,
Speaker 1: He's gonna keep it really. He probably want of the
Speaker 1: realist coaches. I don't play for and I and I
Speaker 1: don't play for Sweeney Rix all those guys. Man, he
Speaker 1: probably one of the realist coachesn't I don't pay for
Speaker 1: because you keep it real. Like I mean, he tell
Speaker 1: you if you ain't playing good. I mean, he'll tell
Speaker 1: you in phaise. He ain't gonna never ship coach. Say
Speaker 1: nothing behind your back. So man, that's I told him
Speaker 1: day one, and I told him day one. We I
Speaker 1: got done even to ask me, Man, you know, you're
Speaker 1: the realist, realist in this business when it's coming to
Speaker 1: this business, because this business it's not real when it
Speaker 1: comes to stuff like that. You know. And and I
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, I'm not the one to
Speaker 1: sit around like oh man didn't have to lead me
Speaker 1: to be black coaches. But you sit around and look
Speaker 1: at the numbers, and then you see coaches like him
Speaker 1: and other you know, coaches like Carl Well and other
Speaker 1: you know black coach who has success like man. You know,
Speaker 1: you see um Eric been to me from you know,
Speaker 1: from the Chiefs, and you see some of these coaches.
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, listen, you know, get you give these
Speaker 1: guys a shot and letting you know, give them a
Speaker 1: chance of going they win games, man, because that opportunity
Speaker 1: ain't there. It's just it's just not And I just
Speaker 1: try to keep it all the way a hundred. You know,
Speaker 1: the opportunity is just not there man, for a lot
Speaker 1: of black head coaches. So what would he uh so,
Speaker 1: what what's his motivation for next year? Because I know
Speaker 1: he got some bulletin board material. And you know in
Speaker 1: that division, now obviously the Patriots used to run it
Speaker 1: for the last you know, decade and a half or so.
Speaker 1: And now that fact to me, the division wide open.
Speaker 1: Where it's gonna be, you know, y'all or Buffalo. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I'm not trying to discounter Jets
Speaker 1: to what they're doing or maybe the Patres come back up.
Speaker 1: But you know, you just said it yourself, like it's
Speaker 1: you know that's gonna be war twice a year. I mean,
Speaker 1: I go, last year, we wanted to win it all.
Speaker 1: You know, you know every team goes win it all.
Speaker 1: I go, just man, we knew we was young in
Speaker 1: the NFL. I mean, your youngest team in the league.
Speaker 1: We knew we had new guys first year in the system,
Speaker 1: Like this was my first system playing the three folk
Speaker 1: defense like that I played FO three. So he had
Speaker 1: a lot of new guys for us to win. I
Speaker 1: mean we were in ten eleven games. I mean, we
Speaker 1: just gonna really build out that. Man, We're gonna try
Speaker 1: to win it all. Man, we know we got some
Speaker 1: great drift picks coming in some free agency. You know
Speaker 1: you're gonna hit some more guys. So man, we're just
Speaker 1: trying to build in and add more to the pieces, man,
Speaker 1: and make a run for this thing and winning. You
Speaker 1: like that three four battle the for three well, man,
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean I'm being getting used to it.
Speaker 1: I got used to it, you know. I was our
Speaker 1: three three kind of was different Like I played in
Speaker 1: uh Rex Ryan three fold when I was like truly
Speaker 1: outside linebacker. Now that that you're standing up almost on
Speaker 1: the end. Yeah, yeah, that three fold out there on
Speaker 1: number two and stuff. Yeah, that three for a little different.
Speaker 1: So I used to hate that, man, I ain't evenna
Speaker 1: about you just hate that. My rookie ill I hated that.
Speaker 1: But no, we we had two we had two big
Speaker 1: ends though. We had two big ends that can play,
Speaker 1: you know, Me and Mayo. So we we played a
Speaker 1: lot of folks down too, So it was kind of mixed.
Speaker 1: So but it wasn't. It wasn't that like I did
Speaker 1: with Reddy And that's probably the hardest defense learning edge
Speaker 1: defense was it's crazy, man, for real. Yeah, So I
Speaker 1: played three four my entire you know, NFL career, and
Speaker 1: then once in a while I dropped my hand in
Speaker 1: the dirt on Nickel and then when I got out
Speaker 1: to Buffalo, man, they put me in that fourth three
Speaker 1: of my hand in the dirt over a sixth technique
Speaker 1: with that with that tight end and that tackle. Dude,
Speaker 1: I'm tell you, they drove my ass off off the
Speaker 1: ball about ten yards. And I said, listen. I went
Speaker 1: to coach. I said, y'all can never do this to
Speaker 1: me to me again, because when I was in coverage, man,
Speaker 1: I think I was in courage. It was my rookie year.
Speaker 1: I was on coverage on Antonio Brown. I gave up
Speaker 1: like a touchdown. I came to the sideline like ritz Man,
Speaker 1: y'all did not drift me first round being coverage, man,
Speaker 1: like I cannot put They put you on the island.
Speaker 1: They put you on the island out there, man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they put me in the whole island out there. Yeah, dope. Man. Hey,
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you this real quick,
Speaker 1: cause I heard a couple of different sac names. I
Speaker 1: heard sack daddy before. What what which name be, like
Speaker 1: bast sack daddy or um what's the other joint? Uh
Speaker 1: the saker shot right or something like that? Sat Lawson, Yes,
Speaker 1: Zack Lawson. That's what it was. Sack Lawson? Which which one?
Speaker 1: I like that? Better? Man? Who who gave you that?
Speaker 1: Who gave me the I mean I had a guy that.
Speaker 1: Uh they gave me that when I was when I
Speaker 1: was at Clemson, I think I think, um one of
Speaker 1: my teammates had a gameing to me and then stuck
Speaker 1: with me, and uh, every coach had said it. And
Speaker 1: then eventually somehow they started saying that when I got
Speaker 1: to the league and things like that. So, man, I
Speaker 1: need I need to get a double digit set season, man,
Speaker 1: for real, because you got you got one or two
Speaker 1: more years left on your on your deal. I know
Speaker 1: you signed with three year, right two months? I got
Speaker 1: two more. I signed it three year. There are you?
Speaker 1: Are you hoping again hoping to stay down there? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I hoping? Yeah, Yeah, I love it. I don't want
Speaker 1: to move. I don't want to leave. I hope to
Speaker 1: stay down here, be with flowing there. Hopefully I can
Speaker 1: stay down here, re up again. I'm gonna be young
Speaker 1: when I go back. I'm gonna be twenty seven again.
Speaker 1: So oh man, you got young on you? You got
Speaker 1: too much? Yeah, I got two months. So I'm trying
Speaker 1: to trying to do that, all right, I know you
Speaker 1: like and it's not just's not any any shade or
Speaker 1: nothing like that. It's just it's just part of the business.
Speaker 1: And I already said you and you and tour y'all cool,
Speaker 1: ain't nothing like that whatever. But I'm hearing the same
Speaker 1: I'm hearing the same thing about the Sean coming out there.
Speaker 1: And I know, y'all, I know you all played together.
Speaker 1: You know Clemson. You know what's what's what's the deal man?
Speaker 1: What what's gonna happen? Yeah, I don't know. I'm sitting
Speaker 1: back and lots. But if we I love too. I
Speaker 1: love both of those guys, man. But if the sun
Speaker 1: comes out here and be crazy, man crazy you know
Speaker 1: you know he he all pro quarterback man. I mean
Speaker 1: playing with him in college, you know, I've seen when
Speaker 1: he got into dough his his freshman year. Man, we
Speaker 1: had a lot of scrimmage and we couldn't even talking him,
Speaker 1: couldn't get him down. That's how I knew he was
Speaker 1: gonna be the truth. I mean, he just yeah, he
Speaker 1: he's a different playma here, playmaker man. You know the
Speaker 1: sign he led a great I mean, not a good
Speaker 1: team this year. In Houston down there and had incredible
Speaker 1: numbers without de hop too. So I mean, if we
Speaker 1: get him, I've been sitting online he want to come
Speaker 1: to money. Ami. I don't know how true it is.
Speaker 1: I'll just be saying online. I ain't heard nothing from
Speaker 1: nobody about it. I ain't asked him about it though.
Speaker 1: I mean, I said, I mean I've seen it, sent
Speaker 1: them to him and sent the eye motion like hey man,
Speaker 1: and he was like, man, I don't know, so we don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, if we come down, it'd be crazy though
Speaker 1: that that would definitely take you all tonight. But I
Speaker 1: probably see him going to a hot market. Man. I
Speaker 1: see I'm going to a hot market. Man. Here're going
Speaker 1: somewhere in New York. Man, the market, someone with the market,
Speaker 1: because what type of player is and you know, somebody
Speaker 1: gonna pay them. They're gonna give up the draft pigs,
Speaker 1: They're gonna pay them all that fact. You're gonna have
Speaker 1: to give a lot of them and give him forever.
Speaker 1: All right, my dude, Hey, I appreciate I hate you. So,
Speaker 1: since we get off, thanks guys for listening to another
Speaker 1: lights Out podcast with me Seawan Merriman and uh, that
Speaker 1: was really cool for me because you know he uh
Speaker 1: had I didn't know about this relationship at a great
Speaker 1: relationship with toa uh and I asked him slat out,
Speaker 1: was was the tour relationship with Ryan Fitzpatrick also my
Speaker 1: former teammate? Was that real? He said, yeah, man, they
Speaker 1: were boys, So um, that was really good to hear.
Speaker 1: And also possibly DeShawn Watson. You know, because Deshaun Watson
Speaker 1: b or Miami Dolphins. It's been out there. You know,
Speaker 1: they played together and Clemson, so it's definitely a big,
Speaker 1: big possibility. He thinks they're gonna go He's gonna go
Speaker 1: to a bigger market at some point, but it's also
Speaker 1: a possibility to end up with as a dolphin. So
Speaker 1: that was awesome, man. So I appreciate you guys for
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