1 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: I think you have to understand that not everybody was 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: raised a certain way or had maybe the same opportunities 3 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: to learn the necessary foundation that they need to be 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: significant successor over long term. And that's part of your 5 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: job through sports is to teach that. This is the 6 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: Reformed Sports Project, a podcast about restoring healthy balance and 7 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: perspective in all areas of sports through education and advocacy. Hi, 8 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 1: this is Nick Bonacoor from the Reformed Sports Project podcast 9 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: in celebration of the start of the college football season. 10 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: Today's conversation is with Jamie Chadwell, had football coach at 11 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: Coastal Carolina University. After leading the Shannon Clears to a 12 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: historically successful season in Chadwell received many Coach of the 13 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: Year honors, including a p Coach of the Year. Prior 14 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 1: to take an over the Coastal Carolina program in two 15 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: thousand nineteen, Chadwell was a three time Big South Coach 16 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: of the Year during his time as head coach at 17 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: Charleston Southern University. Coach Chadwell and I discussed finding your why, 18 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: how teamwork helps you become your best self, and the 19 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: importance of empowering vocal leaders. Man. I am absolutely fired up, 20 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: I got another awesome guest not too far from where 21 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:12,759 Speaker 1: I live, uh, joining me from Coastal Carolina, the Shannon 22 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: cleers At football coach in two thousand and twenty a 23 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,839 Speaker 1: p Nashville Coach of the Year coach Jamie Chadwell coach. 24 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for hopping on, sir. Yeah, I appreciate 25 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: the opportunity, Thank you. Yeah, no doubt, man, I got 26 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 1: a chance to talk to coach Gilmore about a year 27 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: and a half ago. I love Coastal Caroline. A lot 28 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: of people don't know, man, you guys are uh. I 29 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: mean when a national championships in baseball and then of 30 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 1: course you guys were on the football side knocking on 31 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: the door to go to a college football playoff a 32 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 1: couple of years ago. Congratulations, Yeah, I appreciate that. Yeah, 33 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: we're we you know, obviously having the baketball team here 34 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 1: in the success they've had, you know, you want to 35 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: try to meet those expectations. There's a championship level expectation 36 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: here on this campus from from our sports teams in general, 37 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: and we needed to make sure we were carrying our 38 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: weight on that. And the last couple of years have 39 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: been good to us. Well, you're certainly doing that coach, 40 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: and you know, looking at your your career and you know, 41 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: obviously now being the head football coach at Coastal Carolina, 42 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: you know you've had a great playing career in your 43 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: own right back in college as a quarterback. But you 44 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: didn't start your college coaching career at the Power five level. 45 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 1: A matter of fact, if I'm not mistaken, you you were. 46 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 1: You were an offensive coordinator or a head coach at 47 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 1: the Division two level, and a lot of times today especially, 48 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: you know, in today's culture, there's this won or bust mentality, 49 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 1: And you know, I try to advocate for kids because 50 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: I'm I play baseball at Division three in North Carolina 51 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: Wesleyan College, and I try to get out there like, hey, 52 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: there's a fit for everybody. Not everyone's going to the 53 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 1: big league, not everyone's going to the NFL, But there's 54 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: a lot of routes you can take as a college 55 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 1: athlete that can take you on different trajectories and doesn't 56 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 1: matter what level you're at. Here you are, you know, 57 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 1: coaching at the highest level, knocking on the college playoff door. 58 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: But can you talk a little bit about your background 59 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: and how you got to this place and kind of 60 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: your your your work through college football from the coaching side, Well, yeah, 61 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: and I like you know what you said, as far 62 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: as I think there is a place, uh that God 63 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: has for everybody in and in Debton, matter what level 64 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: you're at, it's what you do with where you're at 65 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: and the lessons you really learned. Like you know, I 66 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: think the game of football and sports in particularly, but 67 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: game of football reveals so much about who you are 68 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: and and and if you learn the lessons that it teaches, 69 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 1: no sets up for life long success and lifelong significance, 70 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 1: which is what you're aiming for is be significant in 71 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: your community and with your family and the people that 72 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: you can impact on the daily basis, and sports teach 73 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: that in the game of football teaches that. And so 74 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: you know, I was fortunate to be raised by a 75 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: family that was a football coach and my dad was 76 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: a football coach for a longtime, coach coach of a 77 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: lot of sports, and so I understood the value of 78 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: a coach and understood the value of sports teams from 79 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: rarely on and the competitives that it teaches, and was 80 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: fortunate enough to go you know, play college of football 81 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: at East since he state at least I was on 82 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: the team. It wasn't very good. I was on the team. 83 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: But the lessons that I learned through that and the 84 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: way that coaches impacted me wanted me to continue to 85 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: be a coach because I saw the impact that had 86 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: on me and and I was fortunate up to start 87 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: it there basically as a restricted Earney's coach and wasn't 88 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: making much, you know, much of anything, but I was 89 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: loving the opportunity to coach. Balling is to impact people, 90 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: and this game took me. As you mentioned, I was 91 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: FCS and then I became a division to head coach 92 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: for four years, and then SCS head coach and then 93 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: assistant at FBS and and now here. But through all that, 94 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: the job might have changed, the level might have changed, 95 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: But the why behind it, UH never did you know? 96 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: And using football and allowing the lessons that are taught 97 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: through it, using those to guide young people to help 98 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: make their lives better through the sport of football is 99 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 1: the whole purpose and reason behind it. And that's why 100 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: I do what I do, and that's why I love 101 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: the sport because I know what it can do. Uh, 102 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: the trajectory that it can put you on regardless, if 103 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: you make it able to play at the highest level, 104 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: the lessons you learn from it will allow you to 105 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: become the highest level adult, highest level husband, highest level 106 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 1: uh father, And that's ultimately what you're trying to complish 107 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: the sport. How do you navigate? So, say you talk 108 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: about life lessons and so I've about to say time 109 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 1: you know, performances is listen to uh you know, I 110 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 1: would imagine wins and losses matter at the college level. 111 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: I mean they matter in general, but I mean, how 112 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: do you know? You know where you need to make 113 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 1: sure that you take out or extract the value in 114 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: the lessons that are being taught, which may supersede that 115 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 1: of the wins and losses. So how you know? Because 116 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 1: with kids, you know, everything's focused on performance, and unfortunately, 117 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: in today's youth sports culture, it seems like, you know, 118 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: parents get misguided if their kid goes over four in 119 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: a baseball game. We have a tendency to at times 120 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: you don't want to pick that apart. You might have 121 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: went over four but had great at bats, you know, 122 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: and contributed as a teammate. How do you, as a 123 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 1: coach kind of navigate that? Do you do you make 124 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: sure that you let's say you're you're going over uh 125 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 1: you know, you're in the film room or wherever, and 126 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: you see maybe a performance wasn't that great, but the 127 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: effort was there. Do you try to highlight the effort? Yeah? 128 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: I think, uh, well, you know, we all know you 129 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: talked about win, and everybody wants to win, and everybody 130 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: has an expected expectation to win. Nobody wants to lose, 131 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: and and and obviously, uh, I'm gonna be fired on 132 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,919 Speaker 1: winning or losing. Not Hey, are you impacting people? I 133 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: get that, but I think we we put so much emphasis, 134 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: and especially in youth, and not only as they're on winning, 135 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: but hey, I gotta performance. I can get this scholarship right. 136 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: It's all about It's all about performing to do something 137 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: so I can get to the next level instead of 138 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: really enjoying the game, learning the game and learning what 139 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: it means to be a good teammate. And you know 140 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: how we try to handle that is I tell our 141 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: team all the time, everybody wants to win. I said, 142 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: we told the ball out. Everybody wants to win because 143 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: it feels good. But at the end of the day, 144 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: why are you wanting to win and if you're wise 145 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 1: strong enough, then the results will follow. Because I can 146 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: want to win, but if my wife is not strong 147 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: enough to follow, food to make sure that win happened, 148 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:40,679 Speaker 1: to do the little things next year, Like you mentioned 149 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: the effort and things. That's what we talked about a 150 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 1: lot is hey, you did you didn't accomplish this performing 151 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: but why? What's the why behind why not? And if 152 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: you teach them those things, then they learned the lesson, 153 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,359 Speaker 1: but also hopefully it helps you produce those wins you 154 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 1: on on the field. That's how we try to handle things. 155 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: A big topic of discussion in the youth and amateur 156 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: sport today and actually put a tweet out about it. 157 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: I had a coaches meeting less I'm getting ready to 158 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: coach my kids seven and eight you machine pitch Baseball league, 159 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: and I will say the director of the league did 160 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: a heck of a job with all the coaches and 161 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: some of the things that that had to be talked about. 162 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: I was kind of like, you know, warning the coaches 163 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: that your behavior you could end up getting a suspension. 164 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't believe we have to go over 165 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: the stuff at seven eight youth baseball games. Like guys 166 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: get thrown out of get thrown out of games for 167 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: arguing with umpires, you know, arguing with officials. And I've 168 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: interviewed probably five d plus coaches and athletes at all 169 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: different levels, and there is a there is a referee, 170 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: umpire official shortage like borderline crisis. You know, my boys 171 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: wrestle at the high school level, and I hear, you know, 172 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: wrestling people all the time say, man, it's hard to 173 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: get officials that want to come out here and deal 174 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: with kind of the riff raft. How much do you 175 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: think that parents and even coaches for that matter, at 176 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: the youth level need to remember because I think it's 177 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: important coming from someone with your platform, like these officials 178 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: and referees and such umpires at the youth level, they're 179 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: not pro, they're not they're not out there on college 180 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: game day getting paid thousands of dollars their game. Is 181 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: it something that we got to be mindful of? And 182 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: if so, how do we do that? How do we 183 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: as parents, especially resist the urge to want to, you know, 184 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: act like we're a college coach or a pro coach 185 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: onto and kind of you know, go after an umpire 186 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: and official. Well, I do think you know, it is 187 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: an issue. You can see there's a lot of high schools, uh, 188 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: you know, in state associations across the country that have 189 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: to maybe have games on different nights because they have 190 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: a shortage of officials. Uh. And a big part of 191 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: that as obviously, as you mentioned, one of those officials 192 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: aren't getting paid a lot of money. That's something they're 193 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: doing because they love the sport. And too, they're getting 194 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 1: berated so bad by uh, you name it, coaches, parents, whoever. 195 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: I mean, but why do it for what they're getting? 196 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: You know, they're they're basically doing it for the love 197 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: of the game, nothing else. And I do think there's 198 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 1: a big issue that my young kids. I have played 199 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: you know you sports right now, and you know there's 200 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: miss calls all the time, and even you know myself, 201 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: I have to you know, have to washtont Hayden. Don't 202 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: say nothing. They're trying to because your night's reaction is 203 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: you want your child to win the game, or you 204 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: want your team to win the game. And because we've 205 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,079 Speaker 1: lost sight at a young age of they put so 206 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: much more emphasis on winning and instead of learning how 207 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: to play and and and enjoying the game and learning 208 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: what it takes to be a good teammate. It's all 209 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: about win, win, win, because most people are so caught 210 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: up with well, my son or my daughter have to 211 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:12,719 Speaker 1: get this so they can get to this, or they 212 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 1: need this notoriety so they can get to this. And 213 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: we've really forgotten why sports exist. Uh, and that's really 214 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: the culture that we're part of. But if we do 215 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: not change, find a way to change. I don't know 216 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 1: if it's the mindset, but educate on why you sports exist, Uh, 217 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 1: then we're gonna be in for a real hurting because 218 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: you're not gonna have enough people to really be able 219 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: to umpire or referee or official these games. Where the 220 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: where these sports leaders can exist. It's a challenge in sports. 221 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: They do so much for our culture, so much for 222 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: young people in building confidence and giving them something to 223 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,839 Speaker 1: to love and how to build a family. I mean, 224 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 1: our country is if you look at divorce rate, and 225 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: we have a lot of broken homes, a lot of 226 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: broken things, but sports is not one of them. Sports 227 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 1: is the greatest united we have and that's part at 228 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: a young age, and there's people that hug each other 229 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: and laugh and have a great time that look differently 230 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: to speak differently, come from different backgrounds, but they'll have 231 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: something in common when they're on that quarter, on that field. 232 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: And if we don't get control of that, um then 233 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: and that goes away, we're definitely in a in a hurt. 234 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: And so I think it's a big deal. And I 235 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: don't know the exact answer, you know, but from an 236 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: education standpoint, but I think these these youth groups and 237 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: the different things have to educate these parents and this 238 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: is what this is. This has nothing to do with 239 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: getting your kid a college scholarship or or plan for 240 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: the best travel team. This is about learning and enjoying 241 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: and what it takes to be a good team. And 242 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: if they're not willing to do that, then they this 243 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: is nothing lead. They need to be a part of it. 244 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:41,959 Speaker 1: You know. I agree with you well heartily, And you've 245 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: mentioned teammate a few times now, and that's something that 246 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: I think it's lost at times, because as you said, 247 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: and quite frankly, a lot of a lot of the 248 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: landscape today is about promoting. It's about, um, how do 249 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:55,839 Speaker 1: I get myself on a pedestal to be able to 250 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: get noticed, how to get seen? But what gets lost is, 251 00:10:58,240 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: you know, One of the best ways to get noticed 252 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: is is how you react to a teammate who might 253 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: have just dropped the pass or through an interception, mr block. 254 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: You know, do you go up to him and pat 255 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: him on the back side and say, hey, it's gonna 256 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: be all righty, or you've showing them up? What does 257 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: it mean to you as someone who's coaching, you know, 258 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: at the highest level of college football? What does it 259 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: mean to you? You know? And I guess you can 260 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: go both ways and say, what does it mean to 261 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: be a great teammate both at the youth level and 262 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,719 Speaker 1: at the college level. Is there a differentiator? Or you know, 263 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on that? Well? I think it's 264 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: just important that you get you know, when I talk 265 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 1: about the teammates thing, and I think it's important that 266 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: you get people that are that are selfless to understand that, Hey, 267 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:41,679 Speaker 1: what I do individually is important, but it's important within 268 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: that team frame that works at the team and that 269 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: framework of the team. And we won't guys that understand 270 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: the value of that because you can't do this game alone. 271 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 1: That's why it's called a team. It's not called an 272 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 1: individual sport. It's not it's not golf. It's not tennis, 273 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: it's not any other thing. You need to have a 274 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 1: team that works together. It's cohesive that helps the team 275 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 1: be successful, and each individual part has to work right. 276 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: It's like an engine. We share our guys all the time. 277 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:11,839 Speaker 1: It's like an engine. You know this, This engine can 278 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: be unbelievable. It could be the best engine we have. 279 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: If we don't have the proper gas, then if we 280 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: don't have the proper oil in it, it doesn't work. 281 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: And that's why teamwork is so important because it helps 282 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: you become your best self. Because everybody else has become 283 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: with their best self. And if you look at let's 284 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: take sports out of it, we're trying to develop leaders 285 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: through sports. Right, you're working with somebody or you're working 286 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 1: for someone or under someone the rest of your working life. 287 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: And if you understand how that is to work with 288 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 1: the team and put what this organization or company what 289 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: they're trying to achieve, if that's always in the forefront, 290 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: it will achieve. And you learn that through teamwork. And 291 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: so it's an important part of the success we've had 292 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: is getting players to be their best individual self. But 293 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: either besting your stuff within that framework or what the 294 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: team needs. After the break, Jamie and I talked about 295 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: the importance of leadership and why a player led team 296 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: is often better than a coach led team. Welcome back 297 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: where we left off. Coach Chadwell and I were about 298 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: to discuss how to empower vocal leaders and what it 299 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 1: means to build true accountability in your program. You know, 300 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: I um actually had a call earlier. I got to 301 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: play a year at North Carolina Wesleyan College from Mike Fox, 302 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: who was the longtime head coach at University of North 303 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: Carolina baseball, and we have a great relationship. He's one 304 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: of the you know, he's just an amazing man and 305 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 1: I lean on him at times for you know, for 306 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: for counsel, you know, like I get his feedback on things. 307 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: And we were talking earlier this morning because I have 308 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: to give a talk in a couple of weeks, uh, 309 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: And I asked him, you know about some talking points, 310 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: and you know, we we kind of got into a 311 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: little discussion about our team culture that we had back 312 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: in the day and how I looked at Coach Fox 313 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: like he had he held us accountable right. We had discipline, 314 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: we had structure, there was expectations, on and off the 315 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: baseball field. But at the same time, one of the 316 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 1: things that I think he did so well was empowered 317 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: the team. You know, it was understood that it was 318 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: our team, and especially our upperclassman, especially are all Americans 319 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: are best players. They were the ones that were kind 320 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: of running things like, you know, Coach Fox didn't have 321 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: to tell, you know, the routine when freshman came on 322 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: campus because the upperclassman kind of guided it. And I 323 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: think it's important that kids understand. You talked about leadership, 324 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: developing leaders. How do you go about as a coach 325 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: empowering your team, right, Because I think if I'm on 326 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: a team, or if I'm a freshman or a newcomer 327 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: on a team, yeah, it always means something when the 328 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: head coach or a coach you know, explains and and 329 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: talk to you through things. But I think it means 330 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: even more when your best players are as like the 331 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: coaches right hand man. Right, how do you build that 332 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: those kids to become those types of leaders and empower them, 333 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: you know, to be able to guide and lead, especially 334 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: the underclassman in your program. Well, that's ultimately what you want, 335 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: you know, a player led team, as they've always said 336 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: is better than a coach led team, you know, and 337 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: I believe that because it's one thing. You know, a 338 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: coach is constantly saying, hey, these are the things you 339 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: need to do, you need to do. But if your 340 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: players are living that, and your players are the want 341 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: to hold them into that high standard of accountability, then 342 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: you know you have something because then you have complete 343 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: buy in. And I think that that's the hardest challenge 344 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: of coach has is to develop strong enough leaders because 345 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: most leaders today and especially because of the way their 346 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: culture has been and what we what we live on 347 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: social media and all those things, most leadership today is 348 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: is more example, it's not vocal because you know that 349 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: if they're saying anything, they're saying and in a message 350 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: right on a text or whatever. And so try to 351 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: develop vocal leaders is, in my opinion, is one of 352 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: the biggest challenges coaches face. It's not finding leaders, it's 353 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: finding vocal leaders, uh that are willing to make a 354 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: stand for that accountability. But you have to put them 355 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: in positions. Who your leaders are. You have to put 356 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: them in positions to to have the chance to lead. 357 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: But also when there is a chance and they don't 358 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: take advantage of it, being able to show them how 359 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: this is how you can take advantage of it, and 360 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: how you can do this in a in a in 361 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: a way that's not demoralizing or demeaning, but also saying 362 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: this is who we have to be and we can't 363 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: go backwards on it. Uh. And I think you, but 364 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: you have to build around that leader. You have to 365 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: give him the confidence that he's willing to know he 366 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: can make a stand on it because he's got total 367 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: backing from a coaching staff or from a program and 368 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: this is a standard and we don't go backwards on that. It. 369 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: So what comes into consistency from your coach And I 370 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: think your coaches have to be consistent on how they 371 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,359 Speaker 1: handle the discipline, how they handle each and every situation. 372 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: If the players know, especially year leaders, know that hey, 373 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: this is what the standard is and there's no gray 374 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: area with it, then they can feel more free to 375 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: be empowered to be that vocal leader and take that 376 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: stand of accountability because then they know the coaches are 377 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: not going to go backwards on that. And I think 378 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: that's how you build true accountability throughout your program. I'm 379 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: listening to it, I'm thinking back like you know, sometimes 380 00:16:57,960 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: there has to be an example made. I know from 381 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: our Arctics experience, you know, my own experience, like you know, 382 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: sometimes guys would falter, you know, your better players would 383 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: have their own issue with a coach or have a 384 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 1: running right because they're eighteen, nineteen twenty year old kids. 385 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: And then from that experience, you know, so if they're 386 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 1: held accountable, you know, learning through the failure, you know, learning, 387 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 1: we gotta remember, you know, especially today, man, I feel 388 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 1: like we gotta remember. These kids are young men. You know, 389 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: they're still coming of age, they're still learning, they're still 390 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: you know, becoming men, you know, men or women for 391 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: that matter, and everything gets magnified, as you said on 392 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: social media. But I think it's important to understand, and 393 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: I hope you'll touch on it. You know that while 394 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: you are coaching, sure men, they're still young men. And 395 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 1: even when you talk about the youth age like kids 396 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,719 Speaker 1: are gonna falter, they're gonna fail. We can't burn them 397 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: at the stake, you know right away, you know, especially 398 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 1: because I think these kids, all everything gets magnified. Everything's 399 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 1: caught on video, everything's caught on you know, tweets or whatever. 400 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 1: Sometimes they have to learn the hard way. But then 401 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 1: when do you know, like, hey, this is a great 402 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: opportunity for growth, and when you may need to because 403 00:17:57,600 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: let's face that, I've heard many coaches say like when 404 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: you put things out on social media that can hurt 405 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 1: you in the recruiting process. So how do you differentiate 406 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: what maybe a real problem that you might want to 407 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: stay away from versus something that you know you can 408 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 1: coach through and teaching that kid may learn from and 409 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: grow and ultimately become better. Well, that's a that's the 410 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 1: biggest challenge I think with the recruiting and with young 411 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: people because social media is so out there. Uh and uh, 412 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: you know, you can you can put something on there 413 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: and and and it be something that you you don't 414 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: want to be proud, you're not proud of. But also 415 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 1: I think that's where grace comes in. I think that's 416 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: where understanding comes into. Who they are, what their background is, 417 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: and what they're you know, maybe what they're being taught 418 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:37,360 Speaker 1: or not being taught, and you try to make sure 419 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 1: do they do they represent in their daily actions the 420 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: type of values you want your program. Yes, this one 421 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: action was not that it, but is that truly who 422 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: they are? Based off of a history of being in 423 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: school and how they're doing with their classes, and how 424 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 1: they treat people at their campus and all these different 425 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 1: things you know, are cancel culture anytimes, especially depending on 426 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 1: what you're trying to cancel, right, Um, one little thing. 427 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 1: People want to bring it up and say you're this 428 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: or that over one little thing. And I don't believe that. 429 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: I don't agree with that. I mean, just like when 430 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 1: you get a player in your program, Um, they're gonna 431 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 1: mess up, maybe they don't go to class, maybe they 432 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 1: say something they wish they's part of teaching and helping 433 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: them grow. So we try to make sure here that 434 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: you know, there is a standard ACCOUNTA. But but we 435 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: also have grace. And I think you have to. I 436 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 1: think you have to understand that not everybody was raised 437 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,959 Speaker 1: a certain way or had maybe the same opportunities to 438 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 1: learn the necessary foundation that they need to be significant 439 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: and successful over long term. And that's part of your 440 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: job through sports is to teach that. Uh. And so 441 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: you have to make sure you do your homework on 442 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: where they're coming from and and finding those people that 443 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 1: really know who the person is and and get to know, Hey, 444 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: I can trust that that's not who this person is. 445 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: He made a mistake here there, we've all done it right. 446 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 1: People are allowed to make mistakes and just because they 447 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: make one doesn't mean they're a bad person. And and 448 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: just like in our program we you know, we have 449 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 1: we have different things that there's disciplined for. But it 450 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 1: takes a lot, uh for you to be not part 451 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: of our programming for it. That makes sense because I think, 452 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: I think we all have a different learning curve and 453 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: you have to you have some of us are slower 454 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: to learn than others. And uh, but I think that's 455 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: what we've lost side of especially today because everything everything 456 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: is instant, right, everything is instant, and if you screw 457 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:20,959 Speaker 1: up what we want instant, hey, something's wrong, you know. 458 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: And nobody wants to Everybody wants to get labeled a 459 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 1: certain way, and I don't believe in that. Everyone's looking 460 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: for the head start. And that's a great Segment's one 461 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 1: of my favorite topics to talk about. It's a big 462 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: push for early specialization these days. Coach where you know, 463 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: in order to get the fast track and be the 464 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,719 Speaker 1: best and get the quickest looks, you gotta be all 465 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 1: in on one sport, year round. And every coach I 466 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: speak with at the college level in particular, Um, they 467 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: love kids that have a background of competition in different 468 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: you know, you know that played different sports or at 469 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 1: least have a have a background and it's that competitive 470 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: aspect of it. What are your thoughts on kids that 471 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: specialize early, you know, maybe play football year round versus 472 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 1: those that you know, maybe play hoops in the winner, 473 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: play baseball in the spring, whatever the case is. Do 474 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: you see like a more attraction to the multi sport 475 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: or or the specialized kid And is there a competitive 476 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,479 Speaker 1: piece that's highlighted or that you see there's a difference 477 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: in Well, I do love I do love people that 478 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: play multiple sports. I think you know, you can you 479 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: can read all the different things about it. I take 480 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: myself from and I love being able to one uh, 481 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 1: learn different skills that each game that each game taught, 482 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 1: you know, I think each each skill that you learn 483 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 1: from from the different games that you play can transition 484 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: to any other sport. I like that I learned how 485 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: to be able to communicate with different teammates, you know, 486 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 1: from in different sports because it's all different, and it 487 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: does it it keeps you competitive all your around. But 488 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: The thing that I love more about it than anything 489 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: is that you're willing. You're willing maybe to go do 490 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: something you're not as good at and keep working to 491 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: try to get better at it. I think that's why 492 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: you see a lot of specialization. Is why I feel 493 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: like I'm pretty good at this, maybe not as good 494 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 1: as this, So instead of gonna trying to be better 495 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: to the other one, let me just specialize on this one. 496 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 1: And some people. I think they did a super bow 497 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: tweet of the people in the every I think two 498 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,959 Speaker 1: percent played one sport and rest of them were multi sport. 499 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 1: I think is what it was, which I mean, I 500 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: think that shows you there's there's more and more pushed people. 501 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: You know, it teaches so much different things any sport does, 502 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: but this one it just keeps you where. The thing 503 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 1: that I love about sports teams is they want you 504 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: to do well academically right. So each coach his job 505 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: is to keep you locked in on your academics so 506 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: you can play. So we're helping you grow on all 507 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: different areas. And I think sometimes when you specialize, you 508 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: know somebody is trying to help you, thinking, hey, I 509 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: can guarantee I can get you somewhere if you just 510 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: do this all year round, and I think you hurt 511 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 1: end up hindering sometimes, uh, the growth of an individual 512 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 1: because you don't allow them or not you don't allow, 513 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 1: but they don't make the choice to go do other 514 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 1: things and work on other skills that can help transition 515 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 1: and translate to help them become a better all around athlete. 516 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: But I love the I love people that play multiple sports. 517 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: I think import My son's twelve, My girls are young. 518 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 1: I've told them that they're gonna play multiple sports, but 519 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: they're good at them or not because I believe in 520 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: what it teaches and what it the values that it 521 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 1: helps you learn. But I'll so. I think it makes 522 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: you well around and that's what you ultimately want to be. 523 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: And you can be able to learn how to communicate 524 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 1: with different people from different backgrounds and different things. Uh, 525 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: it's a it's a big deal. I know it's something 526 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: in our program we look for. You know that we 527 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,919 Speaker 1: think that's important that you run track. And if you 528 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: play football or you do basketball or like I love basketball, 529 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: I love pick up battleball. I sneak. I couldn't throw 530 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:20,880 Speaker 1: one in the ocean, but I love to play. Uh, 531 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 1: and you know, and and and I remember that as 532 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: a young child, I looked forward to each different season. Uh. 533 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: And you know, I love I love doing those things. 534 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: And I think part of the specialization now is because 535 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: everybody's so enamored by that next level whatever it is 536 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: right at college pro that hey, what's gonna get me 537 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 1: to the next level, even at a young age, right 538 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: instead of just a playing the game to learn what 539 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,959 Speaker 1: it's about and learn the lessons and getting better at 540 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,199 Speaker 1: get better at those things and having fun with your 541 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: kids and your friends, you know, playing baseball with your 542 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: friends at eight and then everybody go getting to go 543 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 1: get a free drink after the game at little league, 544 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: you know, I mean that enjoy it. I think we're 545 00:23:58,119 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 1: trying to grow up so fast. That's why we end 546 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 1: of getting a specialization too much. And uh and there's 547 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: some people that specialized end up being great, you know, 548 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: good for them. I'm not knocking that part of it, 549 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: but I don't think it's healthy for the overall benefit 550 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 1: of the of the player. Coach Chad Well, I cannot 551 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: thank you enough for coming on and I wish enohing 552 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: but success and continued along the way. I appreciate you 553 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: have me God bless that's Jamie Chadwell, at football coach 554 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: at Coastal Carolina. 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