Speaker 1: Three receivers right. Garrett Wilson solo left. Rogers in the
Speaker 1: shotgun takes the snap. Four man rush Bob's one left
Speaker 1: into the end zone for Garrett Wilson, one headed touch incredible.
Speaker 2: Did he get two feet down? He did not? Out
Speaker 2: of the back of the end zone.
Speaker 1: He made an incredible catch.
Speaker 3: Wow, one foot down something.
Speaker 4: His be math had handed sang his shin or his
Speaker 4: body part.
Speaker 1: There an incredible touchdown catch fight Garrett Wilson. As he
Speaker 1: got the shin down in the back of the end zone.
Speaker 1: He makes his second one handed touchdown catch of the
Speaker 1: night of the chests out of.
Speaker 2: The league, Garrett Wilson.
Speaker 4: Is that the play that turns around the Jets season,
Speaker 4: at least turned around Thursday Night Football. That was Bob
Speaker 4: with Susan and Anthony Beck on w A x Q.
Speaker 4: I am Greg Rosen here in the garage for NFL
Speaker 4: Daily and yes, joining me on this show. Seth Payne,
Speaker 4: former Houston Texans legend and.
Speaker 2: Now one of the best. Why are you laughing? Why
Speaker 2: you laughing? Seth?
Speaker 5: They call that's what the NFL calls all the retired
Speaker 5: players legends, which just so devalues that term.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, you know, I'm good. Thank you Lineman.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's a plugger, I tell you what that was.
Speaker 3: That was hell.
Speaker 5: Okay, I know Friday Night football promises to be and
Speaker 5: delivered on.
Speaker 2: This is the risk.
Speaker 4: Yes, and yes you can catch Seth if you're in Houston.
Speaker 4: You know him as the co host on Pain and
Speaker 4: pent Ergast, and he does a great job, one of
Speaker 4: the best out there on the local radio in the country.
Speaker 4: And it's always a risk with this thursdayday nights. You
Speaker 4: get on a guest that's kind of leaning one way
Speaker 4: or another, and frankly, it wouldn't have mattered if you
Speaker 4: were on the Jets or the Texans side. The first
Speaker 4: half of this game was ugly, but it woke up
Speaker 4: after halftime. You didn't know which way was gonna go,
Speaker 4: just the way this season is gone. You figured that
Speaker 4: Jets would find a way to lose it in the
Speaker 4: fourth quarter and the Texans would find a way to win.
Speaker 4: But that play Garrett Wilson doing his best Odell Beckham impression,
Speaker 4: And yes, it was different in many ways, but it
Speaker 4: was also a special special catch by Garrett Wilson on
Speaker 4: Kwame Lassiter they review it, they call it a touchdown
Speaker 4: and they end up winning this game twenty one to
Speaker 4: thirteen over the Texans. You're shaking your head about my
Speaker 4: comp to Odell Beckham, I.
Speaker 3: Did, no, no, no, it was a beautiful guy.
Speaker 5: I'm just now appreciating it, like haven't watched the highlight again,
Speaker 5: and it just in the moment as soon as as
Speaker 5: soon as I saw that there was any hint of
Speaker 5: the shin potentially being down, I just knew it at that.
Speaker 3: Why camera was that before or after the.
Speaker 5: Texans made the field goal but got the penalty and
Speaker 5: advanced but then missed before a goal.
Speaker 6: Okay, that's before it. It was a crazy fourth quarter. Yes,
Speaker 6: it was a crazy game. I mean, so the Jets
Speaker 6: scored twenty one points. Really they scored twenty eight because
Speaker 6: Malachi Corley dropped the ball.
Speaker 3: Three centimeters from the goal line.
Speaker 5: I said at the beginning of this game, it felt
Speaker 5: like a game that was going to be decided by
Speaker 5: who committed the fewest catastrophes, and by the second half,
Speaker 5: I think that what I said before this game in
Speaker 5: our pregame show was don't be the team that allows
Speaker 5: it to click for the Jets. For Aaron Rodgers to
Speaker 5: figure it out to get DeVante Adams going to really
Speaker 5: start to see the best version of Garrett Wilson. And
Speaker 5: they did all that in the second half, and you
Speaker 5: especially Wade Phillips has said. Wade Phillips tweeted out that
Speaker 5: it's it's hard to beat Rogers.
Speaker 3: When he knows what you're doing.
Speaker 5: And you know, I know immediately people are gonna take
Speaker 5: that as like some kind of an insult to Jumiko
Speaker 5: Ryans or anything.
Speaker 3: This is what those old quarterbacks do. They they figure
Speaker 3: you out.
Speaker 5: In the fourth quarter, he he knew he was gonna
Speaker 5: have Jalen Petrie, the safety slash nickelback slash nickel linebacker,
Speaker 5: manned up on DeVante Adams, and he took advantage of it,
Speaker 5: and he hit it. And just all credit to Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 5: He was I don't want to say vintage Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 5: but he was clicking. He figured out he uses a
Speaker 5: hard count really well to diagnose what the defense is doing,
Speaker 5: and he just made some clutch plays out there. And
Speaker 5: and for the Texans, this is kind of like a
Speaker 5: lot of the issues that we've seen bubbling beneath the surface.
Speaker 5: But they kept winning. But now it's all come home
Speaker 5: to roost.
Speaker 3: This was ever.
Speaker 5: The poor offensive line played big chunk plays on defense.
Speaker 5: They've been playing like a five hundred team in a
Speaker 5: lot of ways, but they've managed to win some close games.
Speaker 5: But this was It's worse than five hundred when you
Speaker 5: lose to to win football team.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with you, and we'll dive deep into the Texans.
Speaker 4: I want to take advantage of your expertise, your knowledge,
Speaker 4: your pain in this moment where.
Speaker 3: All the legend stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just open up your heart and really find out
Speaker 4: what's happening. But let's give let's give Rogers some love
Speaker 4: because you're right when you said was this almost a
Speaker 4: vintage Rogers game?
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, what are you smoking?
Speaker 4: He was seven for fourteen for thirty two yards in
Speaker 4: the first half. But you're right, you're right. After halftime,
Speaker 4: I forget they only had three drives. They scored a
Speaker 4: touchdown on all three of them. And to Wade Phillips's
Speaker 4: point about figuring out what you're doing, I actually think
Speaker 4: he had a decent idea for part of the first half.
Speaker 4: I mean he saw when they were going press coverage
Speaker 4: on those third downs, and in general he had the
Speaker 4: one on ones and he was trying to hit him,
Speaker 4: but he just couldn't execute. So yeah, he was averaging
Speaker 4: two and a half yards per attempt. In the first half,
Speaker 4: they couldn't do anything. They fumbled one time, the Corley fumble,
Speaker 4: so they were going in for a score there. But
Speaker 4: there are other five drives in the first half. They
Speaker 4: punted on either a three and out or a four
Speaker 4: and out every single time. And the difference I think
Speaker 4: between this Texans team and the one you would have
Speaker 4: seen a year ago is the Texans would have built
Speaker 4: up a lead in that scenario. So you can blame
Speaker 4: it a little bit on Demico Ryans' defense in the
Speaker 4: second half, but it's also on the offense for not
Speaker 4: taking advantage of a Jets offense that was really struggling
Speaker 4: in the first half, but in the second half, you're right.
Speaker 4: Garrett Wilson is a special player. That two touchdowns, two
Speaker 4: one handed touchdowns. He goes nine for ninety. He won
Speaker 4: the matchups. It was with Petrie, it was with Lassiter.
Speaker 4: They were picking on Stingley for a couple drives. He
Speaker 4: struggled in recent weeks. DeVante Adams goes out for a
Speaker 4: section of that fourth quarter after he had a really
Speaker 4: nice catch.
Speaker 2: Was that on it was last?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Last stumbled at the at the gentleman.
Speaker 2: With a nice break.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was on a fourth down and he got
Speaker 4: hurt on that play. They check him for a concussion.
Speaker 4: And let's actually listen to the call because the throw
Speaker 4: to Adams on third down, where again he gets single coverage,
Speaker 4: is the one that really put the game away.
Speaker 1: Shut good Aaron Rodgers hut pre receivers right, Garrett.
Speaker 3: Wilson's solo left, she was left.
Speaker 1: Pre Sault takes the snap, Here comes the blitz, WAPs
Speaker 1: one right Adams.
Speaker 2: He's gutting at the time. Jut chuck touch down.
Speaker 1: Rogers hounks up with this old buddy double to Adams right.
Speaker 3: Down the chimney.
Speaker 1: The chutup a cheap score lead.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and if you're not watching it on YouTube, that
Speaker 4: was three minutes to go to make it twenty one
Speaker 4: to ten on a third and three on an all
Speaker 4: out blitz.
Speaker 2: It absolutely worked.
Speaker 3: Seth.
Speaker 5: It's uh, that's one thing. The Texans defense has done
Speaker 5: some things really well, but in terms of like standing
Speaker 5: up to the test.
Speaker 3: Versus a quarterback who was good for at.
Speaker 5: Least a half of football, they don't have enough guys
Speaker 5: that can really genuinely play man. So like they've got
Speaker 5: Jalen Petrie was a safety that they moved to nickel,
Speaker 5: but he's a better nickel linebacker and doing all that
Speaker 5: kind of stuff than he is just being in man
Speaker 5: coverage on people. So they it's they just they've got
Speaker 5: the Lions next week. I'm sorry, man. I would try
Speaker 5: to play it down the middle and be professional since
Speaker 5: I'm on your I'm on your fancy podcast for the
Speaker 5: NFL dot com folks and everything, But my god, they've
Speaker 5: got they've got Detroit. I'm not an NFC guy. How's
Speaker 5: Detroit this year?
Speaker 3: Are they? Are they better than the Jets? How's a?
Speaker 4: You do have another primetime game though, right after that,
Speaker 4: which is against the Cowboys, which you know, as you know,
Speaker 4: I don't need to tell you before.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a big time rivalry game. That's that's
Speaker 2: a that's shame up.
Speaker 4: Is a big game because yes, the Texans could be
Speaker 4: licking their wounds there at six and four, and they
Speaker 4: haven't been as good as their record all year. And
Speaker 4: the thing about tonight's performance that makes me most worried
Speaker 4: is what's made me most frustrated and worried about all
Speaker 4: the season. It's the slow shook factor of c J. Stroud.
Speaker 4: That's just it's going. It's happening every week. I believe
Speaker 4: in c J. Stroud so much. I said, like three
Speaker 4: or four weeks ago, if I could just have one
Speaker 4: quarterback moving forward, including age and contract and everything.
Speaker 2: It's like, I mean, yeah, of course.
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes like yeah, I mean I guess so yeah.
Speaker 1: But.
Speaker 4: Considering age, No, I'm just saying considering age, like Stroud
Speaker 4: is so young. Like actually, I just I just love
Speaker 4: Stroud and I thought he played so well despite what
Speaker 4: was happening around him for five six weeks this season.
Speaker 4: But the constant pressure I think is starting to get
Speaker 4: to him. He was sacked eight times in this game.
Speaker 4: The pressure rate was forty five to fifty percent, but
Speaker 4: the times where he was protected in this game, Look,
Speaker 4: he doesn't have his main receivers out there. He does
Speaker 4: did look a little panicky in a way that I've
Speaker 4: never seen out of Stroud. That makes me believe what
Speaker 4: you would expect to happen Eventually, all this pressure, the accumulation,
Speaker 4: I think is maybe starting to get to him. And
Speaker 4: that really makes me mad at your offensive Cord Well.
Speaker 5: Bobby Slow, it's getting a lot of heat in Houston,
Speaker 5: like increasingly so And I don't I don't anticipate my
Speaker 5: show starts at six am Central time. I don't, I
Speaker 5: might not. I just I'm gonna do like a five
Speaker 5: hour YouTube stream. So Seth paying YouTube. It's awesome. It's
Speaker 5: a legendary.
Speaker 2: So it is really great.
Speaker 4: Everyone check out Seth on YouTube, and hell, listen to
Speaker 4: the radio show to just stream it even.
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you're in a misery, yeah, yeah, go ahead
Speaker 5: and just misery, listen to it in the morning, because
Speaker 5: it's gonna be miserable.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is it's a concern. Look, I played with
Speaker 3: David Carr, and I.
Speaker 5: Was talking with one of my old teammates, Gary Walker
Speaker 5: about this the other day when we were at Andre
Speaker 5: Johnson's ring presentation last week's game.
Speaker 3: But like David David Carr, Yeah, you know, no big deal.
Speaker 5: David Carr, just a bunch of legends hanging around Andre
Speaker 5: me just legends, same status. So but we were talking
Speaker 5: about David Carr and David Carr you'd watch him in practice,
Speaker 5: and David Carr back in two thousand and two, two
Speaker 5: thousand and three. He makes some incredible throws in practice,
Speaker 5: but he wasn't playing behind a good offensive line. I
Speaker 5: think his the clock in his head got permanently destroyed.
Speaker 3: And you just.
Speaker 5: You worry about these guys when they're in their formative
Speaker 5: years if they're constantly on under pressure, and well, you're
Speaker 5: talking about CJ being cool under pressure that early in
Speaker 5: the game. You remember he ducked away from Hassan Redick,
Speaker 5: kind of shook a Son Reddick off, and you could
Speaker 5: see from the close up his eyes never dropped. He
Speaker 5: had his eyes downfield the entire time. So it's not
Speaker 5: like he's gun shy. But things in a lot of this,
Speaker 5: I hate to make it as simple as well, man,
Speaker 5: things will be different when if Nico Collins comes back
Speaker 5: next week from his hamstring injury. But Nico does make
Speaker 5: a huge difference in not just the deep threat, but
Speaker 5: the stuff over the middle. You know, you can you
Speaker 5: can just you can connect on a slant over the
Speaker 5: middle to Nico and he breaks three tackles and it's
Speaker 5: twenty thirty yards pretty consistently, and he just doesn't have anybody.
Speaker 5: There's no there are no big receivers right now in
Speaker 5: the receiving corps, you know, and even once Nico went down,
Speaker 5: you had Tank and you had Stefan Diggs, but smaller
Speaker 5: guys but yet which I think CJ could still manage
Speaker 5: pretty well with. But he just he cannot trust the
Speaker 5: pass protection. And we've probably talked about the left guard
Speaker 5: more in the last few weeks than we have in
Speaker 5: over a decade, and we were wondering, like, yeah, nobody
Speaker 5: wants to hear about it. I was actually thinking about you.
Speaker 5: I told you because your son's a Texans fan now,
Speaker 5: and I was like, hey, I don't know how much
Speaker 5: people are talking about this before the game, but left
Speaker 5: guard is actually kind of a big deal. Lo and
Speaker 5: behold there you go. I apologize to your son.
Speaker 4: Yeah you, I would say you ruined his Halloween, but
Speaker 4: he's a nine year old. Halloween is Christmas. It's a
Speaker 4: close second to Christmas. A Texans loss did not ruin him.
Speaker 4: In fact, as they were loose. As the Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 4: was throwing that touchdown past at DeVante Adams, he had
Speaker 4: just gotten back from chick or treating and he's out
Speaker 4: on the porch passing out the candy to the kids
Speaker 4: that are still coming by having the time of his life.
Speaker 4: He's not going to be brought down on Halloween. He
Speaker 4: We're walking on the way to school this morning and
Speaker 4: he said, this is the best time of year. Well,
Speaker 4: Christmas number one, Halloween, My birthday is second. So you know,
Speaker 4: a nine year old is not gonna get it ruined,
Speaker 4: but he would be. And I hate to think of
Speaker 4: the Texans fans who I'm not gonna say they were
Speaker 4: happy about an injury, but you did lose your left
Speaker 4: guard tonight, right right.
Speaker 3: I had Yeah, I had quite a few.
Speaker 5: I had actual dms from people kind of like expressing
Speaker 5: how guilty they felt over that situation.
Speaker 4: Kenyon Green too, who is I get confused because there's
Speaker 4: multiple Greens.
Speaker 5: There's Kay, there's two k Greens that play left guard.
Speaker 5: There's Ken Young Green and Ken Drick Green. Kendrick is
Speaker 5: the scrappy little dude that came in and played left guard.
Speaker 5: He was a center in Pittsburgh and he like he
Speaker 5: got demoted to fullback the next year his second year
Speaker 5: in Pittsburgh and like they'd given up on him as
Speaker 5: an offensive lineman. He came to Houston and actually played
Speaker 5: guard last year before he got injured and I thought
Speaker 5: was way more impressive than I expected him to be.
Speaker 5: So this year, this week, we're wondering, all right, Kenyon
Speaker 5: Green got benched in the game. Last week, Jared Patterson,
Speaker 5: the Notre Dame kid, came in for him and played
Speaker 5: pretty well for one seas reason. He got injured and
Speaker 5: we were expecting ken Drick Green to come in, but
Speaker 5: they book Kenyon Green back out there and then they
Speaker 5: rolled them out.
Speaker 4: Okay, this is this is for your five hour YouTube.
Speaker 2: This is too I.
Speaker 5: Apologize, right, Okay, this is the This is what you
Speaker 5: need to remember if you want to Jets fans, if
Speaker 5: you're watching this, like, enjoy us being miserable for a
Speaker 5: second with stupidity.
Speaker 3: Okay, last year in New York was when C. J.
Speaker 5: Stroud was concussed by quinnin Freaking Williams by.
Speaker 3: Poor left guard play. So we were terrified going into
Speaker 3: this game, and that's what happened.
Speaker 4: So Offen, Yeah, I'm and I hope you and didn't
Speaker 4: get distracted. But yeah, like I was picking up the
Speaker 4: next gen stats pass rush numbers as you were talking
Speaker 4: there to just see like the offensive lineman the pressures,
Speaker 4: and I saw these stats and a this is a
Speaker 4: this is a murder scene. Will McDonald had nine pressures,
Speaker 4: two quick pressures, so that's under two and a half seconds.
Speaker 4: Quentin Williams had seven despite fourteen double teams, despite getting
Speaker 4: double teamed almost every snap, he has seven pressures, four
Speaker 4: quick ones. So up the middle that quick, you've woken
Speaker 4: up Javon Kinlaw. I mean Laramie Tunsel gave up a
Speaker 4: big sack in a big spot. So you know there
Speaker 4: were three different times where Stroud took a sack on
Speaker 4: third down when it was third and long and they
Speaker 4: were in field goal range. He kept making those field
Speaker 4: goals longer. One of them fair Baron missed, one of
Speaker 4: them he hit and then and this is where I
Speaker 4: do want to get to. You're right, Stroud. I don't
Speaker 4: think it's something that's going to last. I don't think
Speaker 4: it's going to be David Carr. No offense to David Carr.
Speaker 4: But first of all, I don't expect this pressure to
Speaker 4: continue forever. But I also think like players go through
Speaker 4: streaks where maybe their eyes get down. But Stroud has
Speaker 4: shown us who he is already as a pro, and
Speaker 4: they'll get it corrected at some point. But whether it
Speaker 4: whether it's perfect this season or not, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I want to think about two little segments of the game.
Speaker 4: After Corley dropped that ball just felt like a big
Speaker 4: moment in the game. He has Mechi going over the middle.
Speaker 4: Stroud does after another run run pass sequence, which they
Speaker 4: had had a number of those in this game, and
Speaker 4: he was getting he was just about to deliver it
Speaker 4: and he's getting hit low by Quinn Williams and that's
Speaker 4: probably on the protection in Stroud can't make the good play.
Speaker 4: Then later in the game, after they make a field
Speaker 4: goal to make it a one point game, it's fourth quarter,
Speaker 4: mid fourth quarter, it's going to be fourteen thirteen. Jets
Speaker 4: are getting the ball back. Then they call a penalty
Speaker 4: on the Jets unnecessary roughness. They move the ball inside
Speaker 4: the ten. This is maybe the key sequence in the
Speaker 4: entire game. Joe Mixon, who starts out the great game.
Speaker 4: Great is fantasy owners, as long as they weren't watching
Speaker 4: throughout their happy one hundred and six yards for a touchdown,
Speaker 4: But all of that was in the first half, after halftime,
Speaker 4: even late second quarter, it's one yard, two yard. One year,
Speaker 4: it dried up for them and they're at the seven
Speaker 4: or eight yard line, and I feel like they're panicky
Speaker 4: about the the pass rush and they go run run
Speaker 4: pass like one yard. I think they might have lost
Speaker 4: the yard like one yard, two yard or two yard
Speaker 4: negative three game.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm just making things actually right.
Speaker 4: No, So then the third, So the third in goals,
Speaker 4: the one I kind of wanted to get through. That
Speaker 4: was the one where that was a little panicky because
Speaker 4: he actually did get protected for once, and Mechi does
Speaker 4: kind of come open on that play and he seemed
Speaker 4: in between and understandably was just like I got to
Speaker 4: get rid of this ball and he had Mechi open,
Speaker 4: and that ends up being a really big play because
Speaker 4: then fair Pan hits it off. He doinks one from
Speaker 4: a chip shot range, Jets go on for the killer touchdown,
Speaker 4: and that's really your sequence. And then on that very
Speaker 4: last drive, not to beat a dead horse, but they're
Speaker 4: just trying to get a score late and he's missing
Speaker 4: some throws that it seemed like they were open for him.
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, that is not the CJ. Stroud that
Speaker 4: I know. Finishing eleven for thirty for one ninety one
Speaker 4: on the night.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's a hodgepodge of things. The offensive line
Speaker 5: in the pass protection in John role, I think is
Speaker 5: the easiest thing to point the finger at. It's the
Speaker 5: most identifiable. I think that the and I really I
Speaker 5: hate to overly simplify it, but I think that Nicocollins
Speaker 5: presence last year was probably underrated in how much and
Speaker 5: how good that offense, or at least how much progress
Speaker 5: that offense made and how good CJ did, So it.
Speaker 3: Should make a difference.
Speaker 5: I don't know how much it helps and fixes the
Speaker 5: past protection issues, but also some of the there's there's
Speaker 5: too many times where it doesn't seem like CJ has
Speaker 5: answers for the blitz and whether it's just him not
Speaker 5: not going to the hots quick enough, if it's the
Speaker 5: actual play design. At various times I could point the finger.
Speaker 5: I mean, all of that eventually comes back to the
Speaker 5: offensive coordinator. And I think, you know, Bobby Slowik, who
Speaker 5: just got a bunch of interest and a whole lot
Speaker 5: of buzz about being a head coach. The entire offseason,
Speaker 5: we were wondering, all right, well, he had a really
Speaker 5: promising performance with a rookie quarterback, but he hasn't shown
Speaker 5: that he can create a complete offense and a lot
Speaker 5: of that came down to you. I talked to you
Speaker 5: before the season began. I felt like I felt like
Speaker 5: even people that were gushing about the Texans offense nationally
Speaker 5: were kind of ignoring the fact that they did have
Speaker 5: they They could not run the ball last year, even
Speaker 5: when it should have been easy to.
Speaker 3: Run the ball.
Speaker 5: And now with mixing, I mean, so much of it,
Speaker 5: even though the blocking has improved, so much of it
Speaker 5: is just mixing being like a younger mixing. Like they
Speaker 5: said on the broadcast, that looks like he's five or
Speaker 5: six years younger than he was.
Speaker 3: He's able to take.
Speaker 5: Imperfect blocking and blocking that for a lot of under
Speaker 5: running backs, it's a tackle for a loss or no gain.
Speaker 5: He figures out a way to go get ten or
Speaker 5: twelve yards. But by the second half, the Jets figured
Speaker 5: it out, you know, and the Jets defense started to
Speaker 5: look a lot more like the Jets defense from.
Speaker 3: The last couple of years.
Speaker 5: So there's simply not a complete offense with or without
Speaker 5: Nico Collins. You really get no feel that they can
Speaker 5: use the run game in the past game to compliment
Speaker 5: each other, to balance each other out.
Speaker 3: They can't run when they need to run.
Speaker 5: It's just it's been a mediocre offense in terms of scoring.
Speaker 5: I think there were fourteenth in scoring headed into this game.
Speaker 1: And.
Speaker 3: That's pretty much what you said.
Speaker 5: They can't score in the second half, so that was
Speaker 5: no surprise the Texans fans that they couldn't score in
Speaker 5: the second half.
Speaker 3: They've been miserable in the second half.
Speaker 4: They're twentieth in DVOA on offense going into tonight, which
Speaker 4: is crazy. And I think to your point about slow,
Speaker 4: strouds as composed as impressive a young quarterback as I've
Speaker 4: ever seen. So I think he's got great players to
Speaker 4: work with, and it was a little less about the
Speaker 4: scheme last year and more just about you know that
Speaker 4: they built the right offense around him, but excellent players.
Speaker 4: You have an all pro left tackle, you have a
Speaker 4: dynamite quarterback, you have Nico Collins, you have tanked out well.
Speaker 4: Now take down went six for one to twenty six tonight.
Speaker 4: I think that was encouraging for all this honking I've
Speaker 4: done about Stroud, Like the touchdown drive that they had.
Speaker 4: He had two of the best throws you'll ever see,
Speaker 4: one to Robert Woods on the run, one to Tank
Speaker 4: Dell and then he had the fifty yard er to
Speaker 4: Tank Dell in the second half, which is just absolutely
Speaker 4: insane throw. So the talents there, the excitements there. It's
Speaker 4: not like I think this thing can't get fixed. I'm
Speaker 4: glad you mentioned the Blitz because Jeff Albrick deserves some
Speaker 4: credit for when he dialed it up. This has been
Speaker 4: a bad Jets defense over the last three weeks since
Speaker 4: he took over, so they get a little credit here
Speaker 4: for getting the win. Stroud goes oh for five against
Speaker 4: the Blitz when he threw it, and that says it all.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure how many sacks he took. I believe
Speaker 4: it it was two sacks on those plays. Two felt
Speaker 4: like yeah. So he did not complete a pass against
Speaker 4: the Blitz and Hassan Reddick makes a difference this team
Speaker 4: and in this game, like C. J. Stroud was strip
Speaker 4: sacked in the first half. They had the ball inside
Speaker 4: the ten or inside the fifteen early in the game,
Speaker 4: and that was from a Quinn Williams pressure on your
Speaker 4: boy Green. Yeah, But also on the other side, Clemens
Speaker 4: collapsing the pocket. Reddick was collapsing the pocket all night.
Speaker 4: He ended up getting a sack and then c J.
Speaker 4: Stroud was trying to step up, but he couldn't step
Speaker 4: up because there was Quinn Williams in the middle. So
Speaker 4: Will McDonald like, they had guys step up and whatever
Speaker 4: the vision for whoever the Jets are gonna be. Yes,
Speaker 4: it's against this Texans offensive line, who have looked bad
Speaker 4: against everyone, but so of the Patriots and the Texans.
Speaker 4: I mean, the Jets passers looked terrible last week, just
Speaker 4: five days ago against the Patriots. So's it's a pretty
Speaker 4: big step in the right direction for the Jets to
Speaker 4: take what's a struggling unit and actually make a difference
Speaker 4: on defense. It's been a while and they're gonna have
Speaker 4: a long weekend and they're gonna feel like, Okay, maybe
Speaker 4: we can build from.
Speaker 3: This, you know.
Speaker 5: And I think from the Texans perspective against this team
Speaker 5: and the Jets, I was saying all week, look, they're
Speaker 5: two and six. Great, there's no looking past the Jets
Speaker 5: because all you have to do is look at the
Speaker 5: depth chart. And if there's anybody on the Texans that
Speaker 5: was looking at the Jets depth chart and thought, nah,
Speaker 5: two and six football team, like you're dead inside, You're
Speaker 5: dead inside, or you're you're high all the time. They
Speaker 5: they've got players all over the place. The story was
Speaker 5: that they were what's.
Speaker 4: That I just said? That sounds like a fun compo
Speaker 4: Sorry for dead.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well usually it goes in the other order, but yeah,
Speaker 5: they it's like, there's no there's no letups. Versus this
Speaker 5: team on a in a primetime game, You're just You're
Speaker 5: going against Aaron freaking Rogers.
Speaker 3: I don't care what he's looked like this year so far.
Speaker 5: You're going against Garrett Garrett Wilson had three hundred yard
Speaker 5: games in the previous four games. You're going against DeVante Adams, who, yeah,
Speaker 5: hadn't done much, but he's DeVante Adams and he's just
Speaker 5: been on the team.
Speaker 3: For a couple of weeks. Last week, the Jets looked.
Speaker 5: Against the Patriots like they didn't know what They couldn't
Speaker 5: get a playoff they burned. Last week, the Jets burned
Speaker 5: three timeouts in the first quarter to avoid delay of games.
Speaker 5: They got a delay a game in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 5: and and in the first quarter of this game, you
Speaker 5: had your chance to pounce right. The Jets were doing
Speaker 5: all kinds of Jets type things, except the Texans match
Speaker 5: them pace for pace with idiotic, weird, stupid things to do.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I think if I were a Jets fan,
Speaker 5: you don't want to read too much into a win
Speaker 5: like this. But that second half, man, they looked they
Speaker 5: looked a lot like that depth chart should look when
Speaker 5: they're playing actual football.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they play the card. It was funny. Al Michaels
Speaker 4: was great on this. Well, I wouldn't say he was
Speaker 4: great on this broadcast overall, because like when the game's
Speaker 4: bad there, it was just so low energy. They're just
Speaker 4: every once in a while, I just think doesn't does
Speaker 4: the NFL ever watch this and like want announcers who
Speaker 4: are a little more excited about the game, because they're
Speaker 4: always just so complaining when it's a bad game and
Speaker 4: the met life was dead, they're actually chanting. They were
Speaker 4: actually chanting sell the team as they were going to halftime.
Speaker 4: And there's Booze and Alan Kirk, but they when he
Speaker 4: was taking He is great in certain aspects too, though
Speaker 4: Al was saying how Aaron Rodgers when he met with him,
Speaker 4: just went through this whole thing, and Al was sort
Speaker 4: of rolling his eyes as he was talking. He was
Speaker 4: very convincing talking about well, they'll just beat the Cardinals
Speaker 4: and they're gonna be a Western team going east, and
Speaker 4: then it'll be a short week and you got the
Speaker 4: Colts and then you go to a bye and blah
Speaker 4: blah blah. And I'm like, yeah, I mean, you can
Speaker 4: kind of make the case there they can win any
Speaker 4: of these games. None of them are locks, and so
Speaker 4: the Jets could get back into it at three and six.
Speaker 4: The problem is, are they that much more likely to
Speaker 4: win any of these games than lose.
Speaker 2: They all seem.
Speaker 4: About like fifty to fifty propositions. As much as the
Speaker 4: Texans have probably been like a four and four type
Speaker 4: of team instead of six and two coming, I think
Speaker 4: the Jets have been closer to a five hundred team,
Speaker 4: and they just keep losing these heartbreaking class teams and
Speaker 4: so it'll probably bounce out. But that still just means
Speaker 4: you're a five hundred team. It doesn't mean you're about
Speaker 4: to go on some great run.
Speaker 5: I think it's a big one to win this game
Speaker 5: tonight for the Jets. This is the very moment in
Speaker 5: the season when professionalism can start to wane. If the
Speaker 5: team is just dead in the water, then your younger
Speaker 5: players or your less professional players kind of start to
Speaker 5: let go of the rope a little bit and just
Speaker 5: let the water take them down. They start staying out
Speaker 5: a little later, they're not in the weight room as early,
Speaker 5: so that's a big boost at this point in the season.
Speaker 5: I think for the Texans, the trend has just been
Speaker 5: kind of a steady degradation from weeks from week one
Speaker 5: until now to where things look like they're starting to
Speaker 5: catch up with some of their deficiencies, like the Texans
Speaker 5: tackling even on defense. As good as they've been on
Speaker 5: defense the first few weeks, they were really sound attack.
Speaker 5: Then you saw tonight lots of mistackles, lots of poor angles,
Speaker 5: lots of just giving guys like guys that look like
Speaker 5: they do on the depth chart, the chance to break
Speaker 5: long runs. You know what, though, I gotta blame Bill
Speaker 5: Belichick a little bit. I think, Oh, I didn't need
Speaker 5: Bill Belichick going out criticizing his sond reddick and then
Speaker 5: his sound reddick firing back on him on social media.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you saw that.
Speaker 2: I didn't. Yeah, you see the firing back.
Speaker 5: No oh no, Belichick just said mentioned on the McAfee
Speaker 5: shower on one of the nineteen outlets. He's on the
Speaker 5: sound Reddick was just kind of running past the quarterback
Speaker 5: last week, so a sound Reddick sond Reddick said something
Speaker 5: like Belichick. Belichick sounds like he's just sitting at home
Speaker 5: and board. He needs a job, And I was like, well, yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean, he's probably making more money than you at
Speaker 5: his current jobs.
Speaker 3: But he he showed up tonight.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, so did Belichick on one of those
Speaker 4: underdog ads though, I mean he's cashing them check.
Speaker 2: So oh, they're both they're both doing well.
Speaker 5: Put a pin in the ad thing for a second,
Speaker 5: because as far as the San Reddit goes, and that
Speaker 5: that defensive line in general versus the Texans offensive line,
Speaker 5: the I'm so tired.
Speaker 3: I'm so tired of people. We've got this.
Speaker 5: We've got like this propaganda machine for the offensive line
Speaker 5: in Houston where people keep trying to point out how
Speaker 5: good the actual offensive line actually is, and they'll bring
Speaker 5: up the proof the PFF grades, the Pro Football Focus
Speaker 5: grades of the offensive tackles, and I'm like, listen, in
Speaker 5: pass protection, they've generally been pretty good. But I don't
Speaker 5: usually play the PFF game. But if you're gonna start
Speaker 5: the PFF game pull up their overall grades because both
Speaker 5: those offensive tackles are graded like twentieth and twenty eighth
Speaker 5: in PFF. So if you're gonna play the PFF game,
Speaker 5: don't cherry pick. It's been a bad offensive line. As
Speaker 5: far as the ads, okay, they tailor those ads during
Speaker 5: the Amazon broadcast, don't they. There, we don't all see
Speaker 5: the same commercials. I think they base on your purchase
Speaker 5: history because I wanted to buy every damn thing I
Speaker 5: saw one.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, the Amazon ones are crazy. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 4: lot of I'm trying to think what they do. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they put it up on the screen to just buy it.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of target well not even.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but also just like the actual conventional TV type commercials,
Speaker 5: we're not all seeing the same commercials because I've never
Speaker 5: wanted I changed car insurance companies last month, I saw
Speaker 5: like every other ad was like even more so than
Speaker 5: a normal football broadcast, an or ring which now I
Speaker 5: want one of these fitness trackers. I saw it and
Speaker 5: I want it now, and I've never seen.
Speaker 3: An ad for it.
Speaker 2: But I didn't see that.
Speaker 3: I didn't see that.
Speaker 5: You probably saw a lot of toy commercials and stuff,
Speaker 5: and I saw zero toy commercials.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I got the kids.
Speaker 4: Actually, while we're talking social media, let's actually put up
Speaker 4: a couple of other tweets. I just was enjoying the
Speaker 4: Seth Payne performance on Twitter in the first half of
Speaker 4: this game. He writes, Sauce tackles like the elite golfer.
Speaker 3: He's focused.
Speaker 5: Oh those were the days, weren't they back when I
Speaker 5: was talking smack?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right though.
Speaker 4: Sas Gardner had one drive in this game where I
Speaker 4: think he had a penalty mistackle. He gave up a
Speaker 4: big play. He was crazy, and then he left hurt.
Speaker 4: For a minute, it was just like, wow, he missed.
Speaker 3: The tackle to Dalton Schultz.
Speaker 5: Then he got beat by by the forty seven year
Speaker 5: old Robert Woods on a triple move, and.
Speaker 3: Then he got beat by John Well.
Speaker 5: He had to hold John Mechi because John Metchie was
Speaker 5: about to beat him, and then he got injured as
Speaker 5: he held him.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, yeah, that that was a brutal drive
Speaker 2: for him.
Speaker 4: A couple of young cornerbacks who've been playing pretty rough.
Speaker 4: Let's see another tweet from Seth pain Those Jets fans
Speaker 4: have to pay a fee for grocery bags in New York,
Speaker 4: So you know they mean it.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, reference to the guys wearing the bags over
Speaker 5: their heads.
Speaker 6: They're imitating a good good follow What is it at seth'
Speaker 6: sea pin seth sea pain.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 5: I quit Twitter for a while and then I really
Speaker 5: well people started paying me to tweet. So I'm like,
Speaker 5: all right, I'm backing it, baby, people are.
Speaker 2: Paying you to tweet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get sponsored posts now.
Speaker 5: Wow. No, I always I do the little hashtag. Don't worry, Greg,
Speaker 5: I'm not going to Amazon you.
Speaker 2: I gotta I gotta get in on that.
Speaker 6: Those were some info afterwards.
Speaker 4: Okay, let's take a quick break and we'll be back
Speaker 4: in just a second. Look, should we listen to uh
Speaker 4: the Malachi Corley dropped us to see what was it
Speaker 4: worth it?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Those were the days too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the pain of the jets as they were going
Speaker 4: in for the potential touchdown.
Speaker 2: Let's listen alone setback it.
Speaker 1: Named around a Malicai gets a block, gets to the
Speaker 1: twenty to the fifteen.
Speaker 3: Of the turn pilot.
Speaker 2: It's a jet touchdown.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: The rookie he's an appearance, said, finds the end zone
Speaker 1: Mala guy Carly his first Jet touchdown in New York
Speaker 1: takes the lead early.
Speaker 5: On the field of a touchdown is under further reviews.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure for what it turns out makes say
Speaker 1: rookie mistake. He dropped the ball before he broke the
Speaker 1: plane at the end zone celebrating his touchdown.
Speaker 3: Oh that poor kid man.
Speaker 4: Uh, that was only his second NFL touch his first touchdown.
Speaker 4: First of all, hold on to that ball. He just
Speaker 4: let it roll right out the back of the whole
Speaker 4: end zone.
Speaker 3: One.
Speaker 4: No one was paying attention to that ball. If the
Speaker 4: Texan said picked that up and ran with it, who knows?
Speaker 5: I mean, Melchi, this is what I tell Meliki Coley. Listen,
Speaker 5: Malachi Uh. First of all, killer name, awesome, good job.
Speaker 5: The second I was on the field when a young
Speaker 5: Plexico Burris in his first game ever, got a reception
Speaker 5: over the middle, untouched by defenders, went to the ground,
Speaker 5: stood up and spiked the ball and we recovered it
Speaker 5: and plascow. Burris would go on to have a largely
Speaker 5: unblemished career, a productive career after that on the field.
Speaker 5: So don't worry. He never did Plexco Burro has never
Speaker 5: did another stupid thing on the field. Yeah, so you'll
Speaker 5: be cool in New York.
Speaker 3: Register your firearms. Smell Chai.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: You know what he also did though, which I feel
Speaker 4: like he doesn't get enough pop for score the goddamn
Speaker 4: game winning touchdown to beat the only undefeated team in
Speaker 4: NFL history in the Super Bowl. It's kind of weird
Speaker 4: that the Plexico Burris just absolutely destroying Ellis Hobbs off
Speaker 4: the line of scrimmage gets forgotten in that moment.
Speaker 5: Right, But these are I do say it occurred to
Speaker 5: me as Malachi Courtly did that, or is that we
Speaker 5: realized that Malachi Courtly did that.
Speaker 3: I feel like you should.
Speaker 5: Get one mulligan in a career, like for something like that,
Speaker 5: that somehow you can just say, all right, this is
Speaker 5: once in a career you get to a mulligan on
Speaker 5: something like when you pull a leon let or let
Speaker 5: I'll say, Anthony Richardson pull himself out.
Speaker 3: Of the game because he was because he was tired.
Speaker 4: Oh, come on, running backs do that all the time.
Speaker 4: You know, he just had thrown like a three hundred
Speaker 4: pounder off of.
Speaker 5: The running backs do do it all the time. And
Speaker 5: that's the point. It's that the running backs get rotated out.
Speaker 5: The point being that in the one hundred plus history
Speaker 5: one hundred plus year history of the NFL, nobody can
Speaker 5: remember another time a quarterback has done that. So and
Speaker 5: by the way, yeah, he threw off. So when Anthony
Speaker 5: Richardson took himself out of the game.
Speaker 3: He threw the he threw fully, fully fought a.
Speaker 5: Cossi fell off his back, which was impressive that Anthony
Speaker 5: Richardson did that three hundred plus pound defensive lineman.
Speaker 3: But he didn't even make it to the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 5: Like it wasn't like a Lamar Jackson forty nine yard
Speaker 5: run or anything like. He he got sacked on that
Speaker 5: play and then it was too tired to go back in.
Speaker 5: This is fair, this is watchable.
Speaker 4: This is why you need the legend perspective because I'm
Speaker 4: just I'm just a podcaster, you know.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, that's so bad.
Speaker 4: And then you hear the actual Coults team captain Ryan
Speaker 4: Kelly like basically saying what you just said after the game.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I guess I'm I guess I'm
Speaker 4: wrong on this one. And that's that's why you are.
Speaker 5: You know what, Okay, so no, this is this is
Speaker 5: one of those things where I learned long ago. I
Speaker 5: never want to be that guy that says like, you
Speaker 5: don't know because you didn't play the game.
Speaker 3: I hate that.
Speaker 5: I hate that when athletes do that, because your job,
Speaker 5: if you're in broadcasting, is to use your experience to
Speaker 5: explain why it's different. So I got I got a
Speaker 5: lot of questions from people this week, like, hey, stuff,
Speaker 5: why is it that big a deal? So I had
Speaker 5: to calm myself and not be a meatthead.
Speaker 3: That's like, because that's the way it is.
Speaker 5: It's listen, quarterbacks, that's your offense, and you're if you're
Speaker 5: out there, it's because you need to be out there
Speaker 5: directing the show.
Speaker 3: And yeah, if you just had a.
Speaker 5: Physically grolling play, then if you're if your coordinator knows
Speaker 5: what the hell he's doing, he's not going to call
Speaker 5: a run play on the next play.
Speaker 3: But this is what's being lost in it. Greg.
Speaker 5: It was third in goal. It was third and goal
Speaker 5: when they were down by ten. So imagine being a
Speaker 5: quarterback in a third and goal situation, down by ten
Speaker 5: deciding that like, who I just I don't feel like
Speaker 5: i'm one hundred percent I better, I need a breather
Speaker 5: here before we kick a field goal.
Speaker 2: For young man.
Speaker 4: But he added a lot of context frankly that you know,
Speaker 4: we have a daily show, it's in the name, and
Speaker 4: yet we didn't have a lot of this context previously.
Speaker 4: So again, that's why you are a legend. And look,
Speaker 4: you were very self effacing.
Speaker 2: When when I called you that early on.
Speaker 4: But it's like I've heard people say this, like this
Speaker 4: is like the thing about like young white guys just
Speaker 4: when they hang around, like you can just be like
Speaker 4: like someone can walk in you amongst your.
Speaker 2: Friends, just like, oh it's Bob. It's the legend. It's
Speaker 2: the legend. And it's just like, wait, who's Bob. He's
Speaker 2: just like, oh, he's in accounting, you know.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I'll take that. Yeah he's a legend. Yeah
Speaker 3: all right, yeah that's you.
Speaker 2: Seth Pain.
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, check out his YouTube channel Seth Pain on
Speaker 4: YouTube and Pain and Pendergrass and yeah, you're starting that
Speaker 4: show soon, so we will.
Speaker 2: We will send you on your merry way.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it. Man.
Speaker 2: We will be back for our pick show.
Speaker 4: We got it, uh with Cynthia Freelan on Friday afternoon,
Speaker 4: and then yeah, we we do the whole thing once
Speaker 4: again with our Sunday recap show. And yeah, look when
Speaker 4: the Jets are just given their face and some hope
Speaker 4: might turn into false hope, and it's getting into November.
Speaker 2: Yeah you know football is back.
Speaker 3: Texans chets AFC Championship.
Speaker 5: Yes,