1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal hell that for me. I'm 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: a man, I'm forty. 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to 4 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 2: be happy. You want to be happy for a day? 5 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 2: Edith state, is that? 6 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 3: Woof? Woof? 7 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: And then and Tie. 8 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 3: Dan, we have acking news? 9 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 2: Is that true? 10 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 3: We do Jim Harbaugh officially official back to the NFL. 11 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 3: It was an open secret I feel for months on 12 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 3: end that he was at least going to flirt again 13 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 3: with the league. Shortly after his National Championship run with 14 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 3: the Wolverines, whispers started becoming a little bit louder that 15 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 3: Jim Harbaugh was dipping his toes in those NFL waters. 16 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 3: He of course, had hired an NFL agent. He met 17 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 3: with the Chargers, he met with the Falcons. I don't 18 00:00:57,880 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 3: know who else he met with. 19 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 2: I think there were Panthers report orts, potentially all. 20 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: Across the board. 21 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 3: It became official last night, last night, being Wednesday evening, 22 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 3: January the twenty fourth, that in fact, Jim Harball was 23 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 3: going back to the NFL. So we've got a lot 24 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 3: to unpack here in our college football world. Why don't 25 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 3: we start the very top Jim Harbaugh, Dan going back 26 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 3: to the NFL, surprise, not surprised your initial reaction. 27 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 2: I mean, nobody's surprised that he's wanted to do this. 28 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 2: Certainly a couple of years ago got pretty far along 29 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 2: with an interview with the Vikings. Last year, I think 30 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 2: there was a video call with the Broncos that ended 31 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 2: with him deciding Michigan was at least going to be 32 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 2: his twenty twenty three move when you consider the success 33 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 2: he mostly had with the forty nine ers and ended 34 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 2: with some acrimony with some I think disagreement with Trent Balke, 35 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 2: the then general manager, president whatever of the forty nine ers. 36 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 2: But when you have that level of success in the NFL, 37 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 2: the college success story can scratch it somewhat, especially given 38 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 2: the narrative of Jim Harbin at Michigan and certainly the 39 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 2: way he finished out his now career, his college coaching career, 40 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:11,839 Speaker 2: maybe for now at Michigan, but coupled with the sort 41 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,679 Speaker 2: of negative aspects of Michigan's twenty twenty three campaign, and 42 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 2: I don't think that was internal, but certainly the Connor 43 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 2: stallions and sign stealing allegations and suspensions both at the 44 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 2: top and bottom of the regular season, with the number 45 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 2: of high profile jobs in the NFL available that he 46 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 2: was going to strike when the iron was hot. He 47 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 2: was in conversations to extend his deal at Michigan, but 48 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 2: was asking for some things that Michigan didn't seem to 49 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 2: want to bend on, at least for a long time. 50 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 2: And so look you see the success that he's had 51 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 2: in the NFL, that his brother has had in the 52 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:53,239 Speaker 2: NFL former NFL quarterback that to those types of coaches, 53 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 2: nothing is going to quite get you to that place 54 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 2: like a Super Bowl crown. So given where the Chargers are, 55 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,679 Speaker 2: I don't know that Chargers fans exist, but there's certainly 56 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 2: an operation that has a quarterback ready to become a 57 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 2: star or more of a star or a superstar or 58 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 2: whatever justin Herbert might be able to ascend to. Those 59 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 2: are going to be the most attractive NFL jobs. Given 60 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 2: Harbaugh's ties to the West Coast as well, that it 61 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 2: just all came together very nicely to go ride into 62 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 2: the sunset with a national championship and an opportunity to 63 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 2: take over an NFL team that needs building both sort 64 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 2: of on the field and behind the scenes, it seems, 65 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 2: but also one that's ready made to win on a 66 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 2: certain level because of the presence of a clear franchise quarterback. 67 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a pretty good roster. 68 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 3: We're not NFL guys, but as NFL rosters go, it's 69 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 3: a pretty good one. You've got the quarterback in her. 70 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 2: I think they have some like age and cap issues. 71 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 2: I think that's the situation with the Chargers. I read 72 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 2: our friend Bill Barnwell sort of his appraisal of Harbaugh 73 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 2: leaving for the NFL and what he's getting himself into, 74 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 2: good and bad. This is a very very interesting tale 75 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 2: that Jim Harball won at Michigan. Was there nine seasons 76 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 2: after the twenty twenty campaign. Of course, some speculation that 77 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 2: maybe they would go in a different direction, because would 78 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 2: they go. 79 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: Two to four in twenty twenty. Yeah, in the weird 80 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: COVID year. 81 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 3: I mean it was a weird year for all of us, frankly, 82 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 3: and Jim Harball wasn't excluded from that. But from that 83 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 3: point forward, three straight wins over Ohio State, most notably 84 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 3: going out as he said, into the Sunset, won the 85 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 3: Rose Bowl in the semifinal game, won the National Championship. 86 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 3: Now decides the time is right to go back to 87 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 3: the NFL. Nine seasons in total at Michigan eighty six 88 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 3: and twenty five. The NFL thing has been an open secret. 89 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 3: I said it at the top, and I know we 90 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 3: got tweets from people who I think took exception to 91 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 3: the strong hints that maybe we had dropped that Jim 92 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 3: Harball would at least flirt again with the NFL. Anybody 93 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 3: who covers this, I mean, anybody who covers it with 94 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 3: any amount of seriousness, heard the whispers three months ago 95 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 3: that this was a go, that this was something that 96 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 3: we should just keep an eye on. It seemed at 97 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 3: that point in time and three months ago. 98 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: That this was a foregone conclusion. 99 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 3: And so I don't say that to dispute any of 100 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 3: the other reporting that's been out there that his guys 101 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 3: had also been working on a contract extension with Michigan. 102 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 3: I'm sure that's all true, absolutely trying to make sure 103 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 3: that if he does come back to Michigan, he has 104 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 3: the best possible arrangement for him. It sounds like maybe 105 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 3: at the eleventh hour, Michigan accepted some of that contract 106 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 3: language that had been out there where he didn't want 107 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 3: to be fired due to NCAA in fractions or anything 108 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 3: like really, really a sweetheart deal to go back to 109 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 3: Michigan if it would come to that. But this is 110 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 3: a dude who's been chomping at the bit to get 111 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 3: back to the NFL. You know, he's not really been 112 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 3: deceptive in those pursuits. This is a guy who went 113 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 3: to a Super Bowl after the twenty twelve season and 114 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 3: lost to the Ravens. This is a guy who went 115 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 3: to two other NFC championship games in twenty eleven and 116 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 3: twenty thirteen before things sort of went south in twenty fourteen. 117 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 3: He's obviously a very, very proven coach at the NFL level. 118 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 3: I've heard some goes. I think Daniel Jeremiah went so 119 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 3: far as to say, this is an NFL coach who 120 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 3: is very successful in the college ranks, not the other 121 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 3: way around. Yeah, and that's part of what makes him 122 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:30,239 Speaker 3: attractive to you know, potential NFL suitors out there, notably 123 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 3: the Chargers. Now, so this doesn't come as a surprise 124 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 3: to any of us who have been following this, and 125 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 3: it's not just people who cover it, but certainly people 126 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 3: who read about it who care about college football in 127 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 3: the manner that we do. Like. It seemed like there 128 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 3: were plenty of hints out there's a lot of smoke 129 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 3: that this that this could be a thing. 130 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 2: The only exception I take to what you just said 131 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 2: was you said it was sort of a foregone conclusion. 132 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,799 Speaker 2: Takes two to tango. Takes an NFL team to want 133 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 2: him when compared to other people that they hired, which 134 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 2: certainly was the place he was a couple of years 135 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 2: ago with the Vikings, where he I think interviewed on 136 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 2: signing day, sort of sat alone in a hotel room 137 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 2: and the Vikings sort of said, I don't know, I 138 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 2: don't know if this and they didn't. Yeah, I think 139 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 2: make the move. Yeah, And that's fair. 140 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 3: The difference between previous flirtations and I think this round 141 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 3: of flirtations it felt like there was a lot more smoke. 142 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 3: Sure like there was smoke after the season last year, 143 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 3: but there was smoke during the season this year. Maybe 144 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 3: because of some of the NCAA stuff, I don't know, 145 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 3: maybe just his desire to go back to the league, 146 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 3: which everybody again sort of knew was out there. 147 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, but regardless, it is happening now. 148 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 3: So it seems as if the obvious choice is in house, 149 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 3: the obvious guy to assume the throne of Michigan football 150 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 3: is going to be Sharon Moore. Sharon Moore, who look 151 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 3: was very successful in his limited run as a head coach, 152 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 3: had plenty of opportunities, right to lose against Ohio State, 153 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 3: to lose against Penn State, Maryland, yeah, Maryland like he 154 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 3: won those games put Michigan in position to get to 155 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 3: the playoff and win a national championship. Also had to 156 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 3: bite at the apple earlier in the season, so he 157 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 3: would be a fine choice, if only because of the 158 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 3: way that the calendar sets up. This, of course, kicks 159 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 3: off a thirty day period now during which Michigan guys 160 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 3: could transfer out Sharon Moore. Making the move now to 161 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 3: kind of keep him would definitely be a move in 162 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 3: the direction of continuity. I want to upset the apple cart. 163 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 3: I want to make sure we keep the nucleus there, 164 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 3: keep guys like Donovan Edwards around as best we can, 165 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 3: keep some guys on defense around as best we can, 166 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 3: and then figure out what it means from a staffing standpoint. Otherwise, 167 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 3: there have been plenty of rumors that perhaps Jesse Minter 168 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 3: will or won't follow Jim Harbaugh outcandidate. 169 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 2: It seems yeah, but he of. 170 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,679 Speaker 3: Course comes from an NFL pedigree as well, so that 171 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 3: I think is what we watch next. 172 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: I would be very surprised if Sharon. 173 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 3: Moore by the time most people hear this, watch this, 174 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,079 Speaker 3: it's not the guy at Michigan. 175 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, there is like a seven day period where I 176 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 2: think the job needs to be posted. Michigan may try 177 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 2: to sort of get an exception, get a waiver to 178 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 2: move quicker, certainly with what's going on and how teams 179 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 2: can or rosters can fall apart in the portal, and 180 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 2: so you know, the amount of time Michigan once they 181 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 2: name a head coach, or at least once they put 182 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 2: you know the vibes out. Yeah, it's going to be 183 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 2: more because he's going to need to hire coaches and 184 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 2: they're gonna have a lot of money to play with. 185 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 2: Certainly the discount that they're going to get with Sharon 186 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 2: Moore at head coach if and when he has named 187 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 2: the head coach as compared to what Harbaugh is or 188 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,719 Speaker 2: would have commanded moving forward money wise, and so that's 189 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 2: money that can be put into the assistant pool. 190 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. 191 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 2: The two names that I had seen were Jesse Minter 192 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 2: and Jay Harbaugh, his son who I think is in 193 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 2: his mid thirties, special teams coordinator and safeties coach. I 194 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 2: believe I knew we had a position on the defense. 195 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 2: Those are the two names. And maybe Jay Harbaugh, you know, 196 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,839 Speaker 2: in a decade or something, he's the next Michigan coach. 197 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 2: And I should also add, just when you compare Michigan 198 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 2: and then a fell job, it seems to be very 199 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 2: much a lifestyle choice as well. And I don't know. 200 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 2: I don't believe the Chargers have a GM at the moment, 201 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 2: And that was where I think I use the word 202 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 2: acrimony with the forty nine ers before. But all things considered, 203 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 2: not recruiting three hundred and sixty five days a year, 204 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 2: not dealing with the NCAA, not dealing with the details 205 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,319 Speaker 2: that you have to deal with on an hourly basis, 206 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 2: right checking in on academics. I'm not to say that 207 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 2: Jim Harbad didn't like doing those types of things, but 208 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 2: I think once you get a taste of the NFL lifestyle, 209 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 2: in which you can focus almost primarily on just coaching 210 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 2: men play football, it's probably difficult to go back to 211 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 2: what you know, top level college head coaching demands. But 212 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 2: you're right about Shroanmore, You're right about the assistance, and 213 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 2: you know, if there is that internal continuity move with More. 214 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 2: I would expect this Michigan roster, the core of the 215 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 2: Michigan roster, to be in pretty good shape. They're losing 216 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 2: a ton, by the way, losing a ton of both 217 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 2: sides the ball. JJ McCarthy being the big name on defense. 218 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,439 Speaker 2: You know, all the seniors and grad transfers and graduate 219 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 2: level guys, they're all gone. Junior Colson I believe, was 220 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 2: maybe the lone early declaration on the defense. The rest 221 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 2: everybody has sort of exhausted their eligibility. The offensive line, 222 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 2: you know, the full time starting offensive line completely gone, 223 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 2: Blake Korum gone, Both starting receivers gone in Roman Wilson 224 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 2: and Cornelius Johnson, and promising sophomores led by will Johnson, 225 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 2: who's a legacy All American candidate at corner. It would 226 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 2: be very shocking to see somebody like him leave at 227 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 2: this stage of his career. You know, Kenneth Grant, Mason 228 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,079 Speaker 2: Graham on that defensive line, got a lot of meaningful 229 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 2: snaps and we're big time playmakers. It would be hard 230 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 2: to see them leaving because they've already been in the 231 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 2: program for a couple of years and been big contributors 232 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,839 Speaker 2: and are due to sort of take over enormous roles 233 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 2: for the future of that defense. But never say never, 234 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 2: I guess in twenty twenty four college football. So I 235 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 2: would imagine what whatever this roster process looks like in 236 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 2: these next two three weeks. I imagine, if it is 237 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 2: shown more that it's going to go a lot smoother 238 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:13,199 Speaker 2: than things have gone at Washington and Alabama thus far. 239 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 2: But look, it's a wild sport and wild things happen, 240 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:22,319 Speaker 2: but I expect it to be far less dramatic at 241 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 2: this moment. 242 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 3: I think for Harbaugh, at least from his standpoint. Dude 243 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 3: comes in from the NFL coaches nine seasons, beats Ohio 244 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 3: State three straight years, wins the National Championship, which Michigan 245 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 3: had not done in an eternity, and now kind of 246 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 3: on the precipice of roster turnover, whatever the hell the 247 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 3: NCAA wants to do to go back to the NFL. Like, 248 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 3: from a personal standpoint, this would probably be the right 249 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 3: time to do it, right. I've already seen people online 250 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 3: who were a bit flabbergasted, like they were going to 251 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 3: make them the most paid coach in college football. They 252 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 3: were going to succumb to all of his demands. This 253 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 3: is a guy with no I don't buy that, that's 254 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 3: just bs. This is a guy who is going to 255 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 3: go out a legend in some way, shape or form 256 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 3: as in Michigan coach as Michigan player, and to get 257 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 3: them back to the mountain top. He's definitely leaving the 258 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 3: program in a better state than it was before he 259 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 3: got there. And if you're a Michigan fan, look you 260 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 3: I think that's all you can ask. He has been 261 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 3: and even the ADEA has said as much. He has 262 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 3: been very transparent. He has been very open with the 263 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 3: administrators about what his intentions were. And you know, I 264 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 3: think that's all you can ask. This is not like 265 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 3: a Brian Kelly situation where he's leaving the dead of 266 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 3: night and there's going to be a three now heating 267 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 3: with players or anything like. They've been through it now 268 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 3: over the last nine seasons, specifically this last year, I'm 269 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 3: sure was trying in many unique ways for Harbaugh to go. Now, 270 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 3: nobody should harbor any ill will over that. Yeah, there's 271 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 3: there's never been a better time for Jim Harbaugh to 272 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 3: leave Michigan football, both because of his and the program's 273 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 3: on field success, also because of the off field stuff, 274 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 3: and also because of where college football is as a 275 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 3: sport right now. It's never been more difficult to be 276 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 3: a major head coach at a college football program. Like 277 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 3: see what Nick Saban decided, You know, we just couldn't 278 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,319 Speaker 3: live up to his own standard in twenty twenty four. 279 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 3: That was probably more of an age thing. I think 280 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 3: Harbaugh's what sixty, not young, not old, but what he 281 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 3: and you mentioned that leaving the program in a better place. 282 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 3: He's leaving the program in a better place than it 283 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 3: was also under him, not just before him. Right, They 284 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 3: went through a number of different iterations of that program. 285 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 3: I think what his first offensive coordinator is al Borgius. 286 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 3: You know, quarterback had been sort of not the most 287 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 3: stable place in that program, going from if I'm getting 288 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 3: these right, Jake Rudock to Wilton Spate, Kate McNamara. I 289 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 3: think there was a John o'corn year in there. Joe 290 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 3: Milton didn't work out, Kate McNamara was pretty good but 291 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 3: had a clear low ceiling, and then developed his guy 292 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 3: from day one, and Jj McCarthy has another big name 293 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 3: coming in the does in Jaden Davis from not local, 294 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 3: but from Charlotte. But things are just in a more 295 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 3: stable place than they've been in a long time, and 296 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 3: leaving with three straight wins over Ohio State not nothing 297 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 3: that going out on that kind of winning streak. So 298 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 3: in terms of the Michigan fan and the Michigan community's reaction, yes, 299 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 3: I'm sure there's a ton of disappointment that he that 300 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 3: the party couldn't keep going. 301 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 2: I get that that makes it, but I don't think 302 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 2: there's I don't think there's going to be actual anger 303 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 2: from savvy Michigan. 304 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: There shouldn't be. There shouldn't be. 305 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 3: I mean the people that I refer to are the 306 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 3: ones that are getting ratioed. 307 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: Out on social media. 308 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 3: I think that represents the whole of the Michigan fan base, 309 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 3: which of course is going to be grateful and is 310 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 3: going to make a bronze bust of this guy and 311 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 3: put it somewhere prominent because he is a Michigan legend. 312 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 3: I think back to you know, I'm not much for 313 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 3: the Brothers storyline. 314 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: I think it gets overplayed. 315 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 3: I think it's fodder that people talk about when the 316 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 3: game's already out of hand. But the way that he 317 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 3: sort of reinvented, specifically the defense the last couple of 318 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 3: years in ann Arbor, engineered specifically Taylor made to stop 319 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 3: Ohio State. 320 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 2: Yeah he had well, he had a brother search committee too, 321 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 2: had a brother search committee and Mike McDonald and Jesse Minter. 322 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. 323 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, But that's the story that I think is interesting. 324 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 3: You know, how he kind of reached out, how he 325 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 3: was able to pick a guy off of his brother's tree, 326 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 3: bring him to ann Arbor, made that guy successful, That 327 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 3: guy made him successful. And then again with Jesse Minter, 328 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 3: the way that he was able to kind of assimilate 329 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 3: those guys into his system, assimilate that NFL style defense 330 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 3: into his system quickly in hopes of achieving a goal 331 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 3: in beating Ohio State. 332 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: I think it's pretty cool. 333 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's also a story of roster development. It's 334 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 2: also a story of changing things up. You mentioned with 335 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 2: the assistant coaches. Biff Pogee has received a lot of 336 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 2: credit for helping to, you know, build that final chapter 337 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 2: of the Jim Harbaugh era. He's now sleeveless and a 338 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 2: Charlotte forty nine ers coach, somewhere in the winter. But yeah, 339 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 2: there has been that ability. You have to give credit 340 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 2: to Jim Harba and it was the same thing that 341 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 2: happened with the forty nine ers when he took over 342 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 2: that franchise and we took over at Michigan. It hasn't 343 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 2: been about having you know, an all pro at every position. 344 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 2: That Jim Harbaugh was able to take guys who weren't 345 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 2: necessarily considered blue chips wanted by every single program. He 346 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 2: was building what top fifteen type recruiting classes and turned 347 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 2: them into perennial playoff players and was able to do 348 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 2: it much in the same way where the offensive line 349 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 2: almost immediately got way better. And that's a great place 350 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 2: to start the line of scrimmage. You know, as maligned 351 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 2: as Don Brown was as a defensive coordinator for all 352 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 2: those years only because of what he was able to 353 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 2: do against Ohio State or not able to do, but 354 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 2: was otherwise terrific in building those defenses up. That Jim 355 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 2: Harbaugh has that eye for specific player and coaching talent 356 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 2: all things considered, that I think will do him really well. 357 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 2: Hopefully we'll rub off on Sharon Moore and the assistants 358 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:09,439 Speaker 2: that are retained in ann Arbor, and the other element 359 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 2: to this is Jim Harbaugh came into ann Arbor with 360 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 2: a ton of experience, Charon Moore does not. Charan Moore 361 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 2: is in his late thirties and has been at Michigan, 362 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 2: but has not been a head coach, has only been 363 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 2: recently named a coordinator, And all things considered, you'd much 364 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 2: rather have an internal promotion at head coach, and that 365 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 2: seems to be in the modern landscape where you can 366 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 2: most quickly succeed. But in terms of long term Sharon 367 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 2: Moore developing a vision, developing a national recruiting strategy, which 368 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 2: Michigan very much should continue to do and will continue 369 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 2: to do, having that assistant network, having you know, an 370 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 2: operational vision for Michigan football. It helps that he's been there, 371 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 2: but he's still young. Hasn't been a ton of places. 372 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 2: I don't believe. I don't know if you have his 373 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 2: resume in front of you or can bring it up, 374 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 2: but it's not automatic. It's definitely not automatic, and we'll 375 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 2: be fascinating to watch. 376 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 3: You're right, I mean, he's a younger dude. He's thirty 377 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 3: seven years old. He's been a couple places, but has 378 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 3: been at Michigan the last five years, was that Central 379 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 3: Michigan was at Louisville. I think you're fair to point 380 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 3: out that it is not automatic. It is at minimum 381 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 3: a stopgap move to keep the roster happy, to keep 382 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 3: guys in place. And look, he is a talented recruiter. 383 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 3: He's like a top twenty caliber recruiter per twenty four 384 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 3: to seven sports. If he's able to kind of flex 385 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,719 Speaker 3: those muscles moving forward, if he's able to build out 386 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 3: a staff that makes sense to kind of keep the 387 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 3: trend rolling. These are all things. These are all trailing indicators. 388 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 3: We'll find out about that two years down the line. Yeah, 389 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 3: but if he's the guy, I think the most important 390 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 3: thing is trying to keep whatever nucleus you have in place, 391 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 3: making sure that you add beef beef to your coaching 392 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 3: staff to help support you because you're somewhat new with this, 393 00:19:58,600 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 3: even though he had a bit of a trial run. 394 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:04,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, And look, the other element to this is there 395 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 2: are only a handful of coaches that I think recruits 396 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 2: and players will follow anywhere that have that power of name, 397 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 2: that power of face. If that's a term I can 398 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 2: just invent out of thin air. Nick Saban was one 399 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 2: of them. We saw what happened when players who very 400 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 2: clearly and rightfully so went to Tuscaloosa to play for 401 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 2: Nick Saban. I don't think it'll have the same effect 402 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 2: with Jim Harbaugh leaving. But man, Jim Harbaugh can go 403 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 2: into any living room and people like, oh, this guy 404 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 2: was in the Super Bowl, Oh, this guy was an 405 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 2: NFL player. Oh this guy is just a guy. Everybody 406 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 2: knows his face and name and story. 407 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: It's going to be different. Now, it will be different. 408 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 2: And so you might see rotation guys trans You probably 409 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 2: see rotation guys transfer out. And just Michigan's ability, even 410 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 2: with a national championship, even with three straight playoff appearances, 411 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 2: Michigan's ability to go to any high school, to go 412 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 2: to any living room and have that sort of aura, 413 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 2: have that sort of light, It's going to be different. 414 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 2: It's going to be a different story to tell from 415 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 2: Michigan football because the Jim Harbaugh key opened up every lock, 416 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 2: opened up every door, even in the South, even wherever. 417 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 2: When he's shirtless, set seven on seven tournaments and running 418 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 2: these campus clinics, whatever, these high school clinics, it's just different, 419 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 2: you know, he's the Sharon Moore's name is not going 420 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 2: to be on the lips of Paul Fine Bombs, knocking 421 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 2: out the lips of kirkhurb Street in the same way 422 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 2: that Jim Harbaughs was. And so coupling that with the 423 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 2: twelve team playoff era, coupling that with an expanded Big Ten, 424 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 2: with a very say what you will about whatever Oregon, Washington, US, 425 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 2: UCLA Flora is higher, there are going to be more 426 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 2: difficult weeks strung together in the Big ten and SEC 427 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 2: moving forward. And you couple that with the movements in 428 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,719 Speaker 2: NIL and the transfer portal, Sharon Moore immediately has a 429 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 2: more difficult job than Jim Harbaugh ever did at Michigan, 430 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 2: and or whoever it is who you know, if it's 431 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 2: Lance Leipold, if it's Chris Climb and if they go 432 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 2: outside the family or whatever, not to mention ty in 433 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 2: terms of the Big Ten looking you know, deeper and 434 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,360 Speaker 2: more difficult than ever moving forward. And I don't think 435 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 2: this is the reason you Harbaugh left, but Michigan's twenty 436 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 2: twenty four schedule. 437 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: I'm glad you bring this up. 438 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 3: Actually, it's Olivia Rodrigal brutal times right, This is a 439 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 3: great point. 440 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 2: Texas in the non conference portion of the schedule, you 441 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 2: know this the similar like Wisconsin, Ohio State, Michigan State, 442 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 2: but Iowa, Oregon, Washington, USC. It's just I'm not gonna 443 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 2: say bangers only because I don't know what the USC 444 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 2: Washington ross is going to look like. But it's more 445 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 2: difficult than you know, your typical year Indiana's Rutgers, Minnesota's, 446 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 2: Nebraska's lately like it's it's a trickier. 447 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 3: Gauntlet tie well, and that was part of why there 448 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 3: was skepticism about Michigan from some not from US, sure, 449 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 3: from some across oh I was Chigan skeptical across college 450 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 3: football media this year, Wow, they look at their schedule. Yeah, 451 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 3: played Penn State, played Ohio State, won those games late 452 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 3: in the year, but before that, pretty much slim pickens 453 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 3: to find an opponent on the same level, and we 454 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 3: got it. 455 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 2: We definitely got a couple of like, uh, you and 456 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 2: Elvis a bull team guys. Here the statics the Mountain 457 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 2: West is trembling in that voice. 458 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: Too, It was always in that voice, that voice. 459 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's immediately a an uphill battle, maybe a joyful 460 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 2: uphill battle, but man could not be more difficult right now, 461 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 2: follow and following in the steps of and you might 462 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 2: have an opinion of Jim Harbaugh's legacy in this moment, 463 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 2: but you're also, you know, trying to fill some some 464 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 2: pretty large shoes here. 465 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 3: So our next episode, which we originally intended on dropping today, 466 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 3: we're going to drop it on Tuesday. That's a broader 467 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 3: conversation about the transfer portal, so which teams fared well, 468 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 3: which coaches fared well, what the portal looks like in 469 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,199 Speaker 3: the year of Our Lord twenty twenty four, where it 470 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 3: can be improved, what it means for the future of 471 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 3: the sport, so on, and so forth. 472 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: It was a good conversation. 473 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 3: I wish we could have dropped it today, but obviously 474 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:12,360 Speaker 3: this takes precedent. 475 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 1: We'll talk a little bit about Ryan Day. 476 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 3: And actually there is some tie in here with this, 477 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 3: because if you are Ryan Day, if you're an Ohio 478 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 3: State fan, you look at this and you say, great, 479 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 3: Harbaugh's gone. 480 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: Now it's Sharona. Now we got Sharon more. 481 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 2: Who he's on one against, who he's on. 482 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 3: One against, and also who does not have the same 483 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 3: name recognition as a guy like Jim Harbaugh. Sure not 484 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 3: to give the game away too much, but part of 485 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 3: my thesis on Ohio State is if they're not going 486 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 3: to win now with Ryan Day, and especially so given 487 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 3: that Harball just left right, it's fair to wonder when that. 488 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: Might occur given all the work they've done. 489 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 2: Where does Jim Harba. You're a college football historian. You 490 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 2: wrote a Fielding Yost book. I believe right that's true. 491 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 2: Of course, John U. Hilden Ramp is Shim Harbor the 492 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 2: best Michigan coach. Ever, now hold On doesn't have the 493 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 2: most wins. Nankfielding Ghost has only like six national championships. 494 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 2: Lloyd Carhead national championship. Bo Schambckler I don't believe won 495 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 2: any and also like we don't have to talk about 496 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 2: Bo scham Beckler that much anymore. He made it his 497 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 2: legacy has allegedly made it easier to ignore Bo scham Beckler. 498 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 2: I think what Jim Harba did at Michigan in winning 499 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 2: a national championship, in taking this team to three consecutive 500 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 2: four team playoffs, given how much more difficult college football 501 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 2: is now in terms of roster at player acquisition, roster management, 502 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 2: with what he had to face in some sec powers. Look, 503 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 2: every era is different. You should be judged on how 504 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 2: you do against the teams you stack up against. But 505 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 2: I think they're like now with the National Championship pending, 506 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 2: whatever comes to light, I suppose with Michigan off the field, 507 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh's definitely an all timer for Michigan. 508 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: He has, he's alleged. I said it before, he's a legend. 509 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 3: Because it's harder to manage roster now, no question about it. 510 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:17,360 Speaker 3: It is especially harder to win a national championship. Now. 511 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 3: You can decry the playoff all you want, but more 512 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 3: bites at the apple to lose against good teams, that 513 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 3: makes it harder to win. Say we want about the 514 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 3: twelve teamer, More games means more opportunities to lose. 515 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 1: They are all going to be good teams. 516 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 2: Those key players get bad breaks, they're all. 517 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 3: Going to be good teams that are getting into the playoff. 518 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 3: Moving forward, it is not getting easier to win a title, 519 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 3: and especially I would say in the Saban era, which 520 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 3: fifteen years from now might not even be a thing 521 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 3: that people are looking at when they're thinking of Jim Harbaugh. 522 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 3: But to get to the playoff in this era, to 523 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 3: beat safe, you know, to close things out on that career, like, 524 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 3: these are all things that I think are really really important. 525 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: And so. 526 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,439 Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm not good at comparing eras. I 527 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 3: hate that conversation, but sure certainly this is a very 528 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 3: complicated era. 529 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: And all the NCAA stuff aside. 530 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, he goes down as a legend, absolutely no question. 531 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 2: And also by the way, just in terms of what 532 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 2: he accomplished in the modern era for Michigan, even aside 533 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 2: from specific wins and losses and players developed for the NFL, 534 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 2: which I guess absent of receiver, like really strong offensive 535 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 2: and defensive linemen up and down, the defensive rosters that 536 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 2: you developed into NFL draft picks. Quarterback wasn't there until now. 537 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:50,360 Speaker 2: Running backs tight ends whatever he stabilized this program, right, 538 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,719 Speaker 2: Just look at what happened with rich Rod, You look 539 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 2: at what happened with Brady Hoak. You look at the 540 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 2: end of the Lloyd Car era, which Lloyd Carr obviously 541 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 2: an all timer from Michigan as well. You know that 542 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 2: ends with app State, That ends with Denis Dixon running 543 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 2: both a real and fake statue of liberty and demolishing 544 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 2: the Wolverines in the Big House. I never forget that tie, 545 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 2: of course, never forget that, of course, And I think 546 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:16,640 Speaker 2: Lloyd Carr goes out in a high note. They beat 547 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 2: Florida in the bowl game, but nowhere near the high 548 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 2: note that now Jim Harbaugh knows onybody go out on 549 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 2: top stability. We talked, we've talked about this these past 550 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 2: couple episodes and talking about the portal is that's the 551 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 2: new currency in the sport. It's great to have that 552 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,199 Speaker 2: great you know, late December signing day. It's great to 553 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 2: you know, look great in the phil Steel magazines and 554 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 2: athlon whatever ahead of the season. But bringing back guys 555 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 2: plugging holes like Michigan did really successfully, especially up front 556 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 2: both sides of the ball. Like Michigan is just on 557 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 2: such solid ground asterisk pending whatever happens off the field. 558 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 2: But no, that's that's where they seem to be Rich 559 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 2: post Harba Rich. 560 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: In this moment, post Harbor Rich. We'll leave it at that. 561 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, we would encourage everybody to make sure you hit 562 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 3: subscribe or follow on the podcast. Of course, that helps 563 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 3: us leave a rating or review. I'll get back to 564 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 3: reading some reviews next week. 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Lord knows right now there's 575 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 3: a lot going on, yeah, in the world of college football. 576 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 3: And of course, if social media is your vibe, you 577 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 3: can find us on Twitter, on x on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, 578 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 3: all the usual hotspots. Jim Harbaugh going back to the NFL. 579 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 3: Make sure you listen to the next episode where we 580 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 3: talk about the portal. 581 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: Give us your thoughts. 582 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 3: As always, out on social media and of course at 583 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 3: solibble at gmail com. I'm Tie he is Dan as usual, 584 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 3: Stay solid. 585 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 2: Peace 586 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 3: M mm hmm.