WEBVTT - Player's Lounge: First Impressions 0:00:04.600 --> 0:00:07.160 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:17.480 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is the Players Lounge, 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:22.320 broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the Star. 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:27.960 Now your hosts, Barry Church, Danny McCray, and Newey Scrugs. 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:35.839 All right, Players Lounge back at the Star. Wow. Okay, 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:38.920 I haven't done this in a minute. I forgot. I 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:40.960 forgot how to get here. For a second, I forget 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:43.760 how to get here. I just haven't been down here. 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:47.880 We've been able to have a couple of media things upstairs, 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:52.360 but but not I've not been down here well over 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:55.920 eight years. Players last, Players lined up. New Scrugs, longtime 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:59.040 Cowboys reporter. That's Barry Church for Dallas Cowboys safety number 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:02.640 forty two. Buddy Danny McRae. He's still on assignment, but 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:05.320 we may have Danny next week. We're looking and hoping 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:08.520 to have Danny next week here. So we're back here 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:12.120 in the building here the SWBC Mortgage Studios to do 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:14.520 our thing for the next hour. Now. We're we're pushed 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:17.840 back an hour today because Scotboys rookie camp and we 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:20.679 wanted to get out here and see exactly what was 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:23.520 going on here in church. Yes, sir, this is where 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:27.000 I'm going to lean on you because you've played the game. 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:30.000 You were undrafted rookie. You know what a rookie minicamp means. 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:33.640 That what these guys were out here. So give me 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:36.440 your impressions of some of the guys you saw. Give 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:38.560 me some some some guys he said, Oh I like this, 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:41.200 and some guys you said, well, got a question mark. 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:43.720 All right, all right, dive into it a little bit 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:45.840 and um, well, first and first point, I'm glad they're 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:47.920 having this rookie mini caamp. I mean, for so many 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:49.760 guys out there, this is such an advantage. There's such 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:52.200 an opportunity to make the team. I mean, I know 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:54.760 when me and our other running Bate McCrae, came to 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:57.560 rookie mini camp, we were only two safeties out there, 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:00.000 so we had to take every single one on one red, 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:02.640 every single team rep. I mean it was it was 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:04.640 a brutal stretch right there, but I mean we made 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:06.520 it all payoff because it helped us make the team. 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:08.520 So I'm glad these guys are able to have the 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:10.600 opportunity to go out there show what they got out 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:12.280 there in front of these coaches, and this is just 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:13.840 a building block, This is just a start of what 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:16.079 they can do. So but when I looked at this game, 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:17.720 when I looked out there at that practice, I'm gonna 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:19.720 tell you who I was extremely impressed with. And I 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:21.880 didn't even know who the guy was. I didn't even 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:23.359 know he existed. At first. I knew he was a 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:25.240 draft pick that I didn't even know, like, you know, 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:27.520 all right, he might be a camp body. But it 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:29.400 was number thirty eight. And I don't want to. I 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:32.920 do not want to butcher his last name. But his 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:38.720 name is Israel, and I don't want to mukakama, mukuamo 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:43.840 kuam you heard first, mum Reel Israel. He was the 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:47.519 corner outside opposite of J. C. Horn down there in 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:50.440 South Carolina, and they moved him back to free safety. 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:51.960 And this is a big kid. It's a big six 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:54.600 four two twelve, so he's he's a big guy, big kid, 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:56.600 and they moved back to free safety. So I was 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:58.640 looking at the dB drills, not just you know, bias 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:00.560 at the safety. I'm looking at him, and this guy 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:03.400 looked fluid. I'm talking about from the breaks. I mean, 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:06.080 there was no false steps he wasn't stepping in the bucket. 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:09.480 Everything just seemed to be a positive movement with this guy. 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:12.600 His hips were extremely fluid. He had great ball skills. 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:14.480 You know those coaches during those drills, they like the 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:17.079 fire the ball, they the riflet thinking back in the day, 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:19.799 thinking it is you know they Johnny United, I'm a 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:22.360 getting and I mean this guy was catching everything. He 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:25.040 looked extremely fluid. When they were doing the kind of 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:28.000 mirror the receiver drills as a kind of a press 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:30.880 coverage technique, he looked extremely like comfortable, like he was 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:32.919 out there before. And that's what cast to become from 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:35.360 his corner background that he had in South Carolina. But 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:37.800 I'm loving what I've seen in this guy. I know 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:40.640 it's early. I know everybody looks great when you just 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:43.080 have shoulder, when you just have shorts and a helmet on, 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:45.280 and everybody looks like they're the best athlete in the world. 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:47.120 But from my time in the league, I can tell 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:48.800 you that guy looks extremely fluid and I want to 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:51.520 see what he can bring to the table for this defense, 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:53.520 especially in that safety room where it seems to be 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:55.360 up for grabs. It seems to be up for grabs 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:57.560 outside of a strong safety position, so I want to 0:03:57.560 --> 0:04:00.600 see what he can do. Six round six, round pick 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:04.040 twenty seven. And he looks good. He looked. I watched 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:05.880 him the whole time. He looked good. And there was 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:08.240 another guy, another safety back there. Because you know me, 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:10.600 you know I love the defensive side. I love the secondary. 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:12.400 So I focused a lot on the secondary of to day. 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:14.960 And this is an undrafted dude. This guy was undrafted. 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:17.400 I believe he was out of Purdue. But it's thirty 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:20.159 nine Tyler Coyle if I'm not speaking his name wrong. 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:23.000 I looked guy looked fluid as well. You could tell 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:25.440 he had some experience. Back there's backpedal looked great, as 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:28.120 transitions looked great. Now he's a little smaller of a guy, 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:29.679 so we gotta see what he looks like when pads 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:32.800 get back on. But overall, those two looked extremely impressive 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:34.760 to me as far as fluid and just being able 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:37.080 to getting in and out of their brakes catching the ball. 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:40.080 They seem very natural out there. Now, once again, this 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:42.240 is just in helmet, so we'll see what they looked 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:44.000 like with pads come on. But both of those guys 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:45.560 looked amazing to me out there. I don't want to 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:48.200 see what they got later on in camp. But what 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:50.680 was kind of I'm not gonna say it's disappointing. I'm 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:52.520 not gonna say it's disappointing because the guy had a 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:55.840 whole year off, you know, because he opted out of 0:04:55.320 --> 0:05:01.800 the coviding. But the first round pick, Mike Parsons, I mean, 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:04.200 you can tell you have some explosiveness to him, but 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:06.400 I'm not so sure that Cardio is all the way 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:08.840 up to snuff. I mean, when I was watching him 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:10.880 out there, it was it was early in practice. He 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:13.120 had his you know, hands over his head. He had 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:15.880 the kickstand going, and everybody that's an athlete and played football, 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:18.159 y'all know what the kickstand is. That leg over leg 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:20.200 so you can just kind of balance up with all 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:25.520 you using all your muscles. Out there, he was breathing heavy, 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:30.840 hands on the knees, shorts. It was just and then 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:33.920 after every after every kind of rep they did, it 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:35.640 wasn't like he did. He didn't have like that spring 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:37.560 like oh bam, I just hit the sled. I got 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:39.599 that spring. It was like, oh I just slid and 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:42.240 it was kind of oozy. As coach Garrett what used 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:44.280 to say it it's oozy. It wasn't snap. It was 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:47.040 kind of oozy. So hoping he can get his cardio 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:49.000 back up. So I was I was a tad bit 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:52.600 not I don't want to say disappointed, but just like man, 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:55.160 I thought he would come in with a little bit more. Yeah, 0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:59.159 small red flag. And there's a difference between you know, 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:01.359 being in shape and in being in football shape. And 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:03.200 we talked about this before the show. When you're out 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:05.480 there working out, you know what to expect. You know, Oh, 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:07.359 I got this. I can cruise through this part, go 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:09.000 hard on this part, so you know what you're doing. 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:10.920 But when you get into that football field and that 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:13.080 football shape, you got coaches yelling at you non stop 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:15.360 to go here, and hear that shape seems to get 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:17.640 zapped quick. So I'm gonna give him the benefit of 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:19.360 the doubt. It was the first little rookie camp. We'll 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:21.200 see what he can do later on, but right now, 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:23.160 it's kind of a short, little red flag for me. No, 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:25.279 he just looks a little red flight. That's it. Well, 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:28.400 I go back to something you just said, I don't 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:31.680 played football a year. That's true. So that means not 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:35.560 only you're not been, and I don't and just what 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:37.800 you said, you don't care that he worked out with 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:40.320 a trainer and they simulated some drills and maybe he 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:43.160 even hired a professional coach to help him out. It's 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:45.160 a whole other thing when you're out here in the team, 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:47.120 are with the juice slowing, and then you're now giving 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:49.440 instruction as well. And that was that next thing. I 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:52.480 wanted to ask you about what you saw here at manicamp, 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:56.360 because now guys are learning voscot. This is different. This 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:59.120 is not the same thing. They ran. The speed, the temple, 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:01.840 everything goes up another notch here, Oh yeah, it goes 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:04.440 up another notch. And right now, it's kind of cool 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:06.839 because you're, you know, you're you're amongst your rookies, and 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:09.000 you're amongst the first year guys. You guys are all 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:11.680 kind of in the same boat. But when those veteran 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:13.840 guys get out there and it ramps up a little 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:15.840 bit and you see how they're going one hundred miles 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:17.880 an hour in each direction, that's when it kind of 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:19.680 get you a little flustered as you're a rookie, like 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:21.320 I gotta go here, I gotta go there. That's when 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:23.480 you gotta find that leader. That guy. For me, it 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:25.600 was Gerald cincinbad for me, it was you know those 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:27.560 type of guys I kind of kind of led behind, 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:29.560 let them, let them go by example when I just 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:31.360 kind of fed off of what they were doing. So 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:33.480 these rookies now, I mean, it's it's it's a little 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:35.840 bit easier because you're you're amongst your peers and you know, 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:37.760 you guys are you know, don't know what to expect 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:40.000 out there. But once everybody comes to as a team together, 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:41.760 that's when it's gonna ramp up a little bit, and 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:43.760 coaches are gonna they're gonna gonna let you know, they're 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:45.440 gonna let you know, he's pick it up here, pick 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:47.120 it up there. They ain't going to sugarcoat things like 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:49.520 when you're all amongst your rookies. So I mentioned to 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:51.720 see what they can do when it comes to that point. 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:53.360 But right now, I mean, it was it was a 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:54.720 it was a good first start. It was a good 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:56.680 first start. So I was watching Parsons out there, and 0:07:56.720 --> 0:08:00.920 also I was checking out jabrelle Cox, m linebacker from Ali. 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:03.239 He was that big, so I thought he was my size, 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:04.960 but he got some size to him. He bought two 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:08.320 thirty something, and George Edwards was basically, even though he's 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:10.720 not the linebacker coach, he's basically leading all the linebacker 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:13.200 drills and out there teach him. So I paid attention 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:14.480 to him a little bit. Also put my eyes on 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:17.240 number twenty four, Kelvin Joseph, so I was looking at 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:21.440 him in Nashan right the other corner, the third third 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:24.960 round pick. They took number ninety nine overall, six foot 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:28.280 four from Oregon State, And it was just interesting because 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:30.200 there's one drill they were running out there, so you 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:33.679 had you had Easy and Nashan the Sean right there 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:35.600 next to each other, like they're very tall. And then 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:37.880 it was and then it was a little because I 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:41.240 wrote his name down here. It was the running back 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:44.600 Nick Ralston. So Nick Rawlston, the six foot full back 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:49.320 from Louisiana was standing next to him. Yes, I was like, 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:51.920 these corners, these corners, they were the corner safe. They 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:54.600 are big. So that is something that that really kind 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:56.600 of stood out to me as I watched rookie camp 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:59.480 and then the other thing with the quarterbacks here. So 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:03.240 the quarter iually brought in JT. Barrett of Ohio State fame, 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:05.640 who's from which a tall Texas? Which which a tall 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:08.440 false Texas where the Cowboys used to whole training camp 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:10.760 and then Brady Davis quarterback out of an Illinois state. 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:14.400 Not good? Yeah good. When I was looking, you know, 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:17.800 it's kind of reminded me of when the Nucci went 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:20.040 out there for that Philadelphia game on Sunday night and 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:22.280 you just looking and you're just like, man, he just 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:25.120 ain't got it. Well, I mean the tough part is 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:27.840 the pastors. What you said, you just saw inaccurate passage, 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:29.760 and it was there was no rush. That's the thing 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:31.840 that it was like. It's literally there's not even an 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:34.240 offensive line in front of you. It's do your drop 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:36.160 back or do your fake handoff, and then there's a 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:38.200 coach standing right where you could throw the ball. And 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:39.720 it was just a lot of air throws. I mean 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:41.920 sometimes coach had to jump up and tip it with 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:43.680 one hand to try to bring it in. I made it, 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:46.040 and it shouldn't be like that when there's no rush, 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:48.400 no amts to line. I mean, maybe the nerves got 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:50.079 the better of them, you know, you know, first time 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:51.640 out in the league, you know, they just got the 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:53.920 star on your helmet, but it was just a lot 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:56.600 of inaccuracies out there. Yeah. So so I'm also trying 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:59.960 to check out semi Philco from Stanford, and it was 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:01.480 it's just it was it was tough. I mean, the 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:03.280 white receivers out there today, you had a tough job 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:06.319 because the quarterbacks here were you know this clearly it's 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:09.120 not Dak Prescott and you know, but it's it was. 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:12.360 It was tough. And so it ain't like my boy 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:15.200 double g out there. You no, no, no, no, no, literally, 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:18.000 I mean it's it's no, you're not. It's not Garrett Gilbert, 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:19.760 you know, it's it's it's it's an issue here. So 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:22.079 that was the thing I took away from the quarterbacks here. 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:25.800 Question real quick before we go on, are you comfortable 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:31.320 Gilbert backing up be backing up Prescott out there. I'm 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:35.000 not really worried about it. Now. I think what we'll 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:37.559 see and you know this business come June first, Let's 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:39.920 see who else is out here. Okay, that's right, that's 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:43.439 who who else is gonna be out here? Um, they 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:45.440 brought in Jeff Driscoll for a little business and they 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:52.480 didn't sign him. And I'm like, good, yeah, no, no, no, 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:55.680 So so just let's see what we Every year, we 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:59.400 know there's gonna be some players releases. You got that 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:02.200 guy's on them, we're getting okay, can we grab him? Right? 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:06.640 So so let's let's see what happens. And just like 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:09.080 Andy Dalton, you weren't expecting Andy Dalton to end up 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:11.920 with the Cowboys last year, and so along the way, 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:14.960 and I think of this from a backup standpoint. Okay, 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:18.160 if you're a guy out there and you want to go, 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:23.319 I want to check, go to the Cowboys. No state 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:27.360 taxes can't beat it. Dak's probably gonna play because until 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:30.080 last year he always played. That's exactly what Andy Dalt 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:35.199 was thinking. Let me get just three f Romo's here, 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:37.600 give me golf club. I know the game plan, I 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:40.120 know what I need to do. He would literally come 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:43.880 in every Monday, coward and we're coming every Monday. Who's 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:46.560 ready to party? And I'm like, hold on, man, we 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:49.920 just had a game. We're out here, dead tired floor. 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:52.840 Kyle Lord's coming in. Happened? You know what's going on? Guys? 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:54.640 What's up? I'm like, man, he had the job, he 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:57.319 had to. I mean, he had it made right, right, 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:01.600 so to me, I would think that in this whole 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:05.440 backup market that you know, somebody loses a job and 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:08.079 and and we know that as you go through coaching staff, 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:10.400 somebody's gonna get free. I just believe at some point 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:12.360 in time the Cowboys will find someone and they'll be 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:14.400 an attractive destination for a guy who says, you know, 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:18.160 man's a little check, no state taxes, hang out, chill 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:20.880 out in Texas. Can always thought about being a Cowboy. 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:23.880 I mean this is you can find that guy. You can't. 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:26.280 You can't. And that's what I'm counting on Steven Jones 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:28.560 and Will McClay to go find that guy. That guy 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:31.640 I got, I got because through the years they found 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:34.480 they have found that guy. I remember going back when 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:37.720 Steve Burline was a backup quarterback for the Cowboys Detroit 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:40.080 and Steve Burline has started a lot of games with 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:42.160 the Raiders. I mean, this is a proven quarterback and 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:45.160 rode the train a little bit. Um got a couple 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:47.280 of starts in the next thing, you know, move moved on. 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:50.680 He came in. Ain't thing, got a couple of starts in. 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:52.400 Uh some I think Romank gotta hurt one of those 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:53.880 you've got a couple starts in the you know, who's 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:55.679 on his way living a good life, living a good life, 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:58.480 living a good life. So that's so that's why, you know, 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:00.960 let's let's just see where that where it plays out 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:03.000 with a quarterback situation because I'm not I'm not, I'm 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:07.040 not stressing on it, just because it's the cowboys and 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:09.920 they're gonna get somebody, that's the bottom line. They're going 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:14.440 to find someone to come in here and do this thing. Um. 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:16.440 So I want to go back to Parsons. What you said, 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:23.200 all right, Church, So you're saying shape is a condition 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:27.920 a question for her at the conditioning, and you pose 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:31.679 the topic, can can Laton Vanderesh Jayals? Can they hold 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:34.880 off Parsons? Who by the way, you know, it's supposed 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:37.160 to start off at middle linebacker, see and that And 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:39.880 that's the thing where I'm like, I don't know. If 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:41.400 he was like, oh, they're gonna be at Sam, I'm like, 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:43.320 all right, well, he's gonna start Sam and then they'll 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:46.600 have Lve and they'll have a Jaalen Smith. They're gonna 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:49.000 be the starters, but they have them at middle so 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:50.920 they don't any't like they have them learning this base 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:53.120 for three outside? Do they got in that middle right behind? 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:55.079 Who is it Smith Righter? That's that's Vanderesh in the 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:56.960 middle and then Smith is on as at the whill. 0:13:57.000 --> 0:13:58.800 I believe, well, that's what they had last year under 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:03.640 Nolan and before that switched. I mean, in my opinion, Um, 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:06.559 I don't know. The first thing is good, get Vanderesh 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:08.679 out that middle. Yeah, yeah, he get him out the 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:11.520 middle with those neck problems. I mean subconsciously he might 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:13.400 not even know it. He might just like I'm going 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:15.959 full force. But right before the impact you can tell. 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:18.720 I mean, he was kind of it was just dumb. Yeah, 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:20.680 it was just it was just Mike. Mike Nolan did 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:23.280 a disservice to the players. Yeah, I'm hoping Dan Quink 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:24.840 could bring a little bit more than Mike Nolan did. 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:27.800 But if he's at if Parsons is at that Mike, 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:31.720 I'm saying Jalen's in trouble. Man. I'm saying Jalen is 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:33.640 in trouble. If if Parsons is at that Mike and 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:36.000 he's backing them up, I'm saying Jalen's in trouble. Because 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:38.240 I'm thinking eventually this guy's goes. I don't know if 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:40.840 it'll be weak one, but they're gonna push him on 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:43.600 that field. I believe they're already hyping him up everywhere else. 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:46.680 I mean, look at any type of social media ESPN, 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:49.840 NFL netwhere anybody they're hyping this guy. He's already i think, 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:52.200 leading the percentages from Rookie of the Year. And we 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:53.960 didn't even stepped on the fail yead he talk Aboudy's 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:56.560 gonna be defensive Rookie of the Year. So whoever's in 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:59.600 that middle spot, whether it be LV GYM, they're in 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:01.960 trouble because he's gonna get every opportunity to get that 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:05.520 starting spot. Now, unless he comes out here and plays, 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:08.920 you know, just just below average and not good there, 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:11.040 then he'll be the backup. But if he comes out 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:14.080 here it's any any type of respectable play, I think 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:16.880 he'll be forced into that lineup. Either he's ready or not. 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:19.120 I think he'll be forced into that lineup. We just 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:22.960 gotta see what happens when he gets out there. And look, 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:29.880 we know Vanderesh has a problem of availability. Yeah, this 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:33.000 is very true. So you know these are factors that 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:35.360 you had to put it. This is why you've got 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:38.400 Jabril Cox on this team and Michael Parsons on this team. 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:41.320 You're two starting guys right now, and Layton Vanderesh and 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:43.480 Jalen Smith. Two years ago you thought you had You 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:45.720 thought you had some some you know, perennial Pro Bowls. 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:47.800 You thought this was a strength. Now it's a question mark. 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:50.360 It is Jerry Jones, And we talked to Jerry lil 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:52.320 But and Jerry spoke about you know, okay, hey, look 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:55.480 there's there's some some competition here, even a little bit 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:59.400 of pressure for Jalen Smith, which which is good. That's 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:02.920 gett ready to gain. I'm tired of dudes being handed job. 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:06.280 We saw what happened last year when there's no accountability 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:08.320 and you got guys saying all types of stuff. You know, 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:10.320 all right, hey, these coaches don't know how to coach 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:12.040 or this that in the third you see you saw 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:19.200 the film hundred say and then when Jalen says, just 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:21.480 check the tape. We checked the tape and it's like 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:24.720 you got guys running around you. It's so I love 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:27.240 what they did as far as bringing in competition each 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:30.040 level the line. We saw a couple of casualties already 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:32.000 Antoine was is out of there because we brought in 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:35.880 some defensive line We didn't have a guarantee. You ain't 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:39.000 two million. You aren't gonna pay two million for a 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:40.960 guy's at backup when you've already drafted dudes you can 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:42.680 you know those guys are going for six hundred k 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:44.320 and you got two million. It's just if you just 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:45.920 ain't gonna do it. Ain't gonna do it. Didn't have 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:48.440 the linebacker you got. You know, like you you just said, 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:50.120 we got all that competition. What are we gonna do 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:52.520 with Kiano Neil? Now you know we brought him in 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:56.040 here five mill? Where does he play at? This is? 0:16:56.280 --> 0:16:58.680 This is for me why I think about Kiano Nil. 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:00.240 I go back to what I've been talking by on 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:02.680 the players not someone he knows the defense. That's true. 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:04.840 So the fact that you know the defense gives you 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:10.720 an advantage already. And also dan Quinn trusts you right now, 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:14.320 if we're just being honest, dan Quinn can't trust any 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:17.600 of these linebackers right now. You know, trust has trust 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:21.480 has earned three ways. You need three things for trust, time, proof, 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:25.159 and consistency. Kean O'Neil has that. These other guys have 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:27.840 to demonstrate it to him. So to me, Keyan O'Neil 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:30.520 is a guy that right now I pencil him in 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:32.720 on the lineup because he knows what to do or 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:35.280 where to be. Yeah, but do you see you see 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:38.040 you think paying him five meal and just having him 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:40.840 in like some type of sub packages, like that's a 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:42.919 lot of money just for being in like a you know, 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:44.800 let's get him in here, Let's get him in some 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:47.440 dying let's get him you know, ten fifteen snaps a game, 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:50.159 seventeen games, that's a that's a healthy one. That's a 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:53.440 healthy long one. Yeah, seventeen games one, all right, so 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:58.440 seventeen games, lake vanderesh? Can you write him down for seventeen? 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:00.960 Could write him out for sixty? So you can't do that. 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:05.000 Jayle Smith underperformed last year. He did, so you know, 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:07.679 what are you gonna get? Maybe he's maybe you've let 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:10.000 his fired. He's gonna go ahead and have it unbelievable. Maybe, 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:12.760 but you've got too many question marks in my opinion 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:14.439 to say, well, we're gonna go ahead and let him go. 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:16.560