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Speaker 5: Welcome to the show. We've got a lot we're going
Speaker 5: to get into today. Cowboys versus Ravens is our first day.
Speaker 5: Moving on to week three of the season, we will
Speaker 5: get a breakdown from Brian on the Baltimore offense, which
Speaker 5: is scary versus the Dallas defense. We will get to
Speaker 5: some different topics. I had some questions I have around
Speaker 5: the Dallas defense and some things that they've been experiencing
Speaker 5: in ways that they're gonna have to approach getting better.
Speaker 6: Yes, I was gonna let you finish, but I made
Speaker 6: that face because I did want to ask you guys
Speaker 6: a question after you get done.
Speaker 4: I have one even after you all right, you know something,
Speaker 4: we're taking over the show.
Speaker 5: Whatever I was gonna say, it doesn't matter, Brian.
Speaker 2: What's the question?
Speaker 6: Does this defense have a problem with big offenses? And
Speaker 6: I mean big as far as personnel. If you play
Speaker 6: with are you built to play the what was at
Speaker 6: one time the modern passing game where everybody was throwing
Speaker 6: the ball and now you're kind of we're into that mix.
Speaker 6: Where about the Shanahan stuff, you know, and Shanahan's back
Speaker 6: in the day, I was, you know, I competed against
Speaker 6: the father you know, used Denver the way they ran
Speaker 6: the ball and stuff and played with a full back
Speaker 6: and all that. But are are the Cowboys built in
Speaker 6: a way, not at this current configuration, not to play
Speaker 6: against the big offenses and I mean big with full back,
Speaker 6: multiple tight ends, big bodied guys.
Speaker 5: Let me let me answer that question with a question,
Speaker 5: what was Cleveland? Because Cleveland feels to me like a
Speaker 5: big boy brand of football. Type team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't have their back. Yeah, but that back
Speaker 2: played pretty well for yeah.
Speaker 6: Right, and and Djoku I to me, I'm thinking I'm
Speaker 6: thinking with with Cleveland, maybe not so much with.
Speaker 2: The fullback and all that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they developed, they had a lot of fullback, didn't they.
Speaker 6: The quarterback had something to do with that too. I'm
Speaker 6: just trying to think about the teams that have kind
Speaker 6: of the teams that have given Dallas problems, the teams
Speaker 6: like a San Francisco and even maybe a little bit
Speaker 6: of a Green Bay the way they give Dallas the problems.
Speaker 6: If you play in twenty one personnel or twenty two personnel,
Speaker 6: that seems to be something. But you're right about Cleveland.
Speaker 6: I just don't know if Cleveland and Cleveland, like I say,
Speaker 6: yeah Cleveland, that Cleveland run the ball, they just didn't
Speaker 6: have the guys they normally run the ball with. Now
Speaker 6: San Francisco is watching them against Minnesota this morning. You
Speaker 6: know they've got a guy in Mason that could run
Speaker 6: the ball. Actually is even more physical than McCaffrey running
Speaker 6: the ball. So I was kind of curious, like what
Speaker 6: in Minnesota do to them defensively? A block punt, fourth down, interception,
Speaker 6: you know there was.
Speaker 5: San Francisco has not won in Minnesota since nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Wow, Yeah, I was like, that seems weird, Like I
Speaker 5: had to go back and rewind on my team. Yeah,
Speaker 5: nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 6: I just I just wondered that about that about cause
Speaker 6: you're BI.
Speaker 2: You were built to play in an era where teams.
Speaker 6: Remember there was a time, Derek, when I was working
Speaker 6: for you here at dot com where we were talking
Speaker 6: about if you ran the ball, and everybody remember how
Speaker 6: much we.
Speaker 2: Would do shows and everything.
Speaker 6: They're running it too much on first down, they're running
Speaker 6: it too much on second down every run play.
Speaker 2: And then everybody that.
Speaker 6: Was an analytics guy or gal was telling you that
Speaker 6: running the football was not the way to go because
Speaker 6: they were.
Speaker 2: Saying, running the football, you don't score enough. Okay, you don't.
Speaker 6: But now where are we We're to the We've built
Speaker 6: these defenses to combat the eleven personnel stuff, and now
Speaker 6: we're trying to get back to build defenses that can
Speaker 6: handle twenty one and twenty two. When I say that
Speaker 6: the two backs too tight end often I'm just for
Speaker 6: Jerry's Jerry, So yeah, always in my mind. But see
Speaker 6: That's where I wonder if Dallas Is did they try
Speaker 6: to with Mazzi Smith. You have three hundred and twenty
Speaker 6: nine defensive three h twenty nine pound defensive tackle, which.
Speaker 2: They never did under the Rod Marinelli administration.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're asking defensively specifically, right, are they defensively to
Speaker 4: handle these things? I'll say this twenty twenty three absolutely not.
Speaker 4: I mean, if you look at the twenty twenty three roster, okay,
Speaker 4: then what has changed since twenty twenty three and twenty
Speaker 4: twenty four. They've added a couple of big guys in
Speaker 4: the interior. We haven't loved to play from them so far. Right,
Speaker 4: you still only have four guys on your entire defense
Speaker 4: that are over two hundred and seventy pounds. You got
Speaker 4: Osa Digizua, Linval Joseph, Jordan Phillips and Mazzi Smith. Those
Speaker 4: four guys were your four worst run defenders on Sunday.
Speaker 4: So where does the weight? Where does the size actually
Speaker 4: come with the talent? I'm not quite seeing that so far.
Speaker 4: So I would say no, I would say because I
Speaker 4: know for sure that was the problem last year. They
Speaker 4: were not built that way last year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we'll play especially play.
Speaker 5: I think that was more of the issue. Last year's
Speaker 5: injury forced them mental situation where they're still the right
Speaker 5: personnel this year. When you say built, I think they're
Speaker 5: built for it. I just think they're.
Speaker 2: Bad at it right now. They got the bodies we
Speaker 2: just talked about. They've got big bodies.
Speaker 5: They just aren't good at doing what they need to
Speaker 5: do in order to stop the run. And that's where
Speaker 5: I think, you know, you listen to somebody like Zimmer
Speaker 5: or you listen to what Jerry had to say. Their
Speaker 5: expectation at least is that they think they can fix
Speaker 5: it because they have the bodies. Like, the bodies are there.
Speaker 5: These are body.
Speaker 2: Tests to talent.
Speaker 5: Are they good enough is the question? Are they good
Speaker 5: enough to do what you need them to do in
Speaker 5: order to stop the run.
Speaker 2: I feel like that the one way.
Speaker 6: And I don't see them waving a magic wand and
Speaker 6: letting everything get fixed and all that, because I think
Speaker 6: they're going to have the same personnel. But you better
Speaker 6: figure out a way to keep these linebackers clean.
Speaker 2: I don't care if you have.
Speaker 6: To hold guys coming off the ball, or play with
Speaker 6: better angles or alignment, whatever you have to do, not
Speaker 6: to let guards and centers and tight ends and tackles
Speaker 6: come off on these linebackers, because if those guys.
Speaker 2: Are blocked, we see what happens.
Speaker 6: We saw that that they've you know, and some of
Speaker 6: that the Saints, we we interviewed there before the game
Speaker 6: in the pregame show, Mike Costs, their play by play guy,
Speaker 6: he was kind of talking about in the game. Coming
Speaker 6: into the Cowboy game, He's like, yay against Carolina that
Speaker 6: you know that aren't the running back there had not
Speaker 6: been was not touched, you know until like two and
Speaker 6: a half yards down the field albu Kamara was made.
Speaker 6: You know, it was two and a half yards before
Speaker 6: he was even getting touched. Kind of felt like even
Speaker 6: more when this game, it felt like he it felt
Speaker 6: like he was getting through.
Speaker 7: The hole and first.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and you know it's like maybe six yards he
Speaker 6: was wouldn't getting touched, but that they were, they were
Speaker 6: that was something he was kind of hanging their hat.
Speaker 6: They're like, hey, we they blocked well enough in the
Speaker 6: running game. You know that. That's we were trying to
Speaker 6: kind of figure out is was this Saints team. Is
Speaker 6: it a smoking mirrors team or is it really a
Speaker 6: legitimate team. It looks like a legitimate team running the football.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: One thing I'll say, though, is I look at teams
Speaker 5: like San Francisco like maybe what we're seeing from the Saints,
Speaker 5: you might throw Green Bay in there. They don't. They
Speaker 5: don't look to me like a power running team like
Speaker 5: you would say Cleveland is Cleveland to me is a
Speaker 5: lineup and we're gonna go at yeah, and we're gonna
Speaker 5: overpower you, right. I don't look at those offenses as
Speaker 5: the kind of offenses that are gonna overpower you. They have,
Speaker 5: they'll go twenty one personnel, but they do a lot
Speaker 5: of different things in that the motions and pre stell like,
Speaker 5: they do so much stuff that I think it almost
Speaker 5: is like it just challenges you all around the field,
Speaker 5: and that's where it's so hard to defend. More so
Speaker 5: than we're gonna line up and we're just bigger, strong.
Speaker 2: With than this team you're about to play with. Ye
Speaker 2: that way. Yeah, I'll tell you this though.
Speaker 6: I'll tell you what the watch in San Francisco with
Speaker 6: Mason that he's replacing you know, uh there McCaffrey, he's
Speaker 6: a downhill player. And then Jacob's playing for Green Bay
Speaker 6: from you know, from the Raiders. That's a different style
Speaker 6: of grade for them. Yeah, that's a different style of
Speaker 6: back for them. That is a hammer. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 6: so some of these teams have kind of figured out like, man,
Speaker 6: we're cool, we can we can move with the full back,
Speaker 6: we can move with the tight end. The movement part
Speaker 6: of to me is impressive. Just the physicality that these
Speaker 6: teams play with is that's even more impressive. JK.
Speaker 7: Dobbins as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Chargers, the Chargers, and that's the coke.
Speaker 7: But we knew that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the.
Speaker 6: Head coaches got like blocking gloves on and cleats and
Speaker 6: you know that's that's his mentality. Yeah, you know, that's
Speaker 6: the attitude that you have there.
Speaker 5: So I just look at at at the way that
Speaker 5: the Cowboys are playing defense right now, and we all
Speaker 5: know they got to fix this part of their It
Speaker 5: is critical long year that they fixed this part of
Speaker 5: the And if you notice, I was watching Good Morning
Speaker 5: Football this morning, they were talking about right now, through
Speaker 5: two games, the league is heavily skewed right now toward
Speaker 5: running more than past.
Speaker 2: See that's and that's the part where you asked that question.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like, is the league flipping on us now,
Speaker 5: and if it is the Cowboys suited to be able
Speaker 5: to handle the change.
Speaker 6: There was a time where we could not handle eleven personnel. Everybody, jeez,
Speaker 6: we don't have.
Speaker 7: A third quarter.
Speaker 2: What the hell? Don't let them do this?
Speaker 8: You know?
Speaker 6: And now and then college football, everybody plays so wide open,
Speaker 6: we're developing corners, and now it's like, well, okay, we're all.
Speaker 2: The big defensive linemen.
Speaker 6: You know, where are those guys to And now teams
Speaker 6: getting back, you know, especially the pro teams are like,
Speaker 6: you know, I damn, I knew this was going to happen.
Speaker 6: I figured it was gonna be Belichick. Everybody goes small, small, small,
Speaker 6: and Belichick was going to go big big, big big,
Speaker 6: and then and play. But the forty nine er dudes
Speaker 6: and well, actually the Shanahans at Washington with RG three
Speaker 6: and those guys, they kind of pushed this thing into
Speaker 6: I think twenty seventeen is when we kind of started
Speaker 6: seeing this kind of thing coming up.
Speaker 7: This defense is built like a big twelve defense. They
Speaker 7: need an SEC.
Speaker 2: Defense, not an LSU defense.
Speaker 6: A sorry, yeah, if you want to play Texas defense,
Speaker 6: that's I'm all for that.
Speaker 4: Kirby Smart, you had a question, what's your question? The
Speaker 4: uh you mentioned you mentioned? I completely forgot that I
Speaker 4: have the question you had mentioned.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: Okay, we're going on to week three into Baltimore, and
Speaker 4: it feels like a little tougher to go into week
Speaker 4: three this time around. Do you feel like it's the
Speaker 4: same way across the hall. It's a little tougher to
Speaker 4: go into week three with a.
Speaker 7: Loss like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like from a mentality standpoint, from a cerebrush point.
Speaker 6: That's the kind of loss, Derek. You were around when
Speaker 6: we had those rushers. That was every week it was
Speaker 6: a two hundred yard rusher against us, remember Charlie Garner
Speaker 6: and yep, Ricky Waters. And every week it seemed like
Speaker 6: that was hard. And you're going in and you're thinking, damn,
Speaker 6: we were not very good stopping the run. And then
Speaker 6: all of a sudden, you kicked the tape on with
Speaker 6: the Ravens and there's twenty one.
Speaker 2: Twenty two.
Speaker 6: Oh look there's a fullback. Oh there's three tight ends.
Speaker 6: Oh there's oh look, there's a shifty move wide receiver
Speaker 6: that catches everything. Oh wow, this quarterback really runs really well.
Speaker 6: You know, that's that's the thing you could get a
Speaker 6: little beat down. The challenge is going to be for
Speaker 6: them to of course, to play with better you know,
Speaker 6: with better scheme and and better you know, better strength power,
Speaker 6: whatever you want to play. I mean, they're gonna have
Speaker 6: to get off some blocks in this game because this
Speaker 6: this when we get into this, this thing will challenge you.
Speaker 6: And I think that's the thing that would that's the
Speaker 6: thing that would give me some pause for this week,
Speaker 6: is you just went from the frying pan looks like,
Speaker 6: to the fire with this. With the way the Ravens offense,
Speaker 6: it's not about throwing the ball with them, it's really
Speaker 6: about that big back and it's about the quarterback's ability
Speaker 6: to run and an offensive line will come off the
Speaker 6: football the way they do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's just from a mentality standpoint, it's
Speaker 4: it's got to be a little bit tougher to move on,
Speaker 4: especially considering the problems that they had in week two
Speaker 4: and how much better the Ravens are at each of
Speaker 4: those problems. Yeah, they say it's gonna be a quick
Speaker 4: application in learning, well learning and application.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what you know.
Speaker 6: For the defensive side of the ball, especially the defense
Speaker 6: has to look at this and say, okay, we we
Speaker 6: we saw. Maybe if you go down there and you
Speaker 6: shut the Saints out the way you do, you know,
Speaker 6: playing the way that they did with the twenty one
Speaker 6: twenty two personnel, you shut them down, you feel a
Speaker 6: lot better about playing the Ravens right now. You have
Speaker 6: to think about, man, everything that they exposed, the Ravens.
Speaker 2: Do and do it pretty well.
Speaker 6: That's the I mean, they're oh to two, but I'm
Speaker 6: watching them play Kansas City and then watching they you know,
Speaker 6: they've had they've had a history of falling apart in
Speaker 6: the fourth, much like the Philadelphia Eagles have. You know,
Speaker 6: they've they've blown some double digit leads. A field goal
Speaker 6: kicker ain't making fifty seven yard field goals anymore too.
Speaker 6: You know, there's some things going on there. So but
Speaker 6: this offense, it's it's got to look at what you
Speaker 6: did in the Saints game and feel like, wow, we
Speaker 6: can have some success doing this or doing that.
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Speaker 5: come back. We're going to dive into Baltimore offense versus
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Speaker 5: We're presented by LG. Let's go into this breakdown. Actually,
Speaker 5: before we get to the breakdown, that was a little
Speaker 5: bit of cowboys news we just heard about. You want
Speaker 5: to catch us up Nick.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so a defensive tackle Jordan Phillips, who was acquired
Speaker 4: during training camp in a trade with the New York Giants.
Speaker 4: He has been placed on injured reserve with a wrist injury,
Speaker 4: meaning he will miss a minimum of at least four games.
Speaker 4: In his place, the Cowboys have signed Carlos Watkins, bringing
Speaker 4: back an old friend. He was on the Washington Commander's
Speaker 4: practice squad. Dallas poached him and signed him to the
Speaker 4: active roster so he could be ready to go as
Speaker 4: early as this week.
Speaker 5: All right, Hopefully that can give him a little bit
Speaker 5: of relief.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I remember if you remember Corlos Carlos Watkins days here
Speaker 5: and what he was able to do here. But I
Speaker 5: don't even know if he's still that player.
Speaker 6: But yeah, we need to we need to maybe figure
Speaker 6: that out. We got some of us have the ability
Speaker 6: to watch the tape. Others don't you know.
Speaker 2: I got him on back. I'm good.
Speaker 6: I was a little worried about you there for a minute, man, Yes.
Speaker 2: There you go. I'll say it.
Speaker 6: Nothing better than that watching that tape that way, you know,
Speaker 6: talking about the with the Ravens and stuff like that,
Speaker 6: and what's you know, what's what's ahead for you. It's
Speaker 6: it's very similar to what you saw with the Saints
Speaker 6: as far as personnel groups. You're going to see a
Speaker 6: team that plays with the full back with Patrick Ricard.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 6: Not to be confused with the guy in the Star
Speaker 6: Trek episode, Jocard. Yeah, not to be confused with him. Uh,
Speaker 6: but yeah, Patrick Ricard. This is a team that plays
Speaker 6: with the real full back.
Speaker 12: Uh.
Speaker 6: They played with the legitimate running backs too. Derrick Henry
Speaker 6: is Uh. We all know the history of Derek Henry.
Speaker 6: You don't have to, you know, we all see the
Speaker 6: body type, the ability that he has. They line him
Speaker 6: up in a pistol formation, which is directly behind the
Speaker 6: quarterback a lot of the time, and then Jackson, Lamar
Speaker 6: Jackson will take the snap and they'll just turn and
Speaker 6: hand it to him and then let him attack down hill.
Speaker 2: And uh.
Speaker 6: They'll also this is a team that likes to get
Speaker 6: the ball on the edge if they can, because they've
Speaker 6: got tight ends that are really good at blocking. When
Speaker 6: you look at Mark Andrews, Mark Andrews always plays detached
Speaker 6: and I mean you know, he'll be either as a
Speaker 6: wing or he'll play like in a slot. It's rare
Speaker 6: that you see him down there playing what we call
Speaker 6: the in line tight end or right there on the line.
Speaker 2: But he's always going to be a guy there when.
Speaker 6: They get when when they run the ball at times
Speaker 6: that will get these really tight bunch formations, and then
Speaker 6: you'll see, you know, you'll see maybe Isaiah likely the
Speaker 6: tight end, and then Mark Andrews the tight end, and
Speaker 6: then Ricard all on the same side, and you're thinking,
Speaker 6: my gosh, you're loading up to run the ball over there.
Speaker 2: And then the next thing you.
Speaker 6: Know is Jackson will pull the ball and he'll go
Speaker 6: around the other end. So they make it appear that
Speaker 6: they're running one direction, that they're going to load up
Speaker 6: on one side, and you're gonna be you're going to be,
Speaker 6: you know, looking at that and going, okay, well here
Speaker 6: comes the strength. Here comes They're they're setting this thing up.
Speaker 6: They're putting all their blockers to one side, and now
Speaker 6: they're going to But the thing you're gonna have to
Speaker 6: worry about with this Lamar Jackson is his ability to
Speaker 6: pull the football and run that That is something that
Speaker 6: he is. He's not the thrower that you faced last week,
Speaker 6: but he's an elite runner.
Speaker 2: With the ball in his hands.
Speaker 6: He's like having an extra running back with with unbelievable
Speaker 6: ability to make you miss. So you're going to have
Speaker 6: to play discipline. You're gonna have to tackle well in
Speaker 6: this game.
Speaker 2: Every game. You got to tackle well. But this guy shakes.
Speaker 6: Loose more tackles, makes guys, breaks guys down. He makes
Speaker 6: small little plays that look like they're going to be
Speaker 6: stopped into huge plays, and so you're gonna have to
Speaker 6: be ready for that. His ability to run the football.
Speaker 6: But they're there. They're sound with their tight end room.
Speaker 6: They're very good with their running back room. They're wide receivers.
Speaker 6: I think the best wide receiver that they have on
Speaker 6: their team is Zay Flowers from Boston College.
Speaker 2: And Zay is the one.
Speaker 6: He wears number four, and he's going to be the
Speaker 6: guy that constantly plays in motion. They keep him on
Speaker 6: the move. They like to when they play under center.
Speaker 6: They'll hand him the ball and the Jets sweep if
Speaker 6: they if they get under center and then he runs
Speaker 6: a jet sweep and they fake it and then they
Speaker 6: flip it to Justice Hill or they'll flip it to Henry.
Speaker 6: So they've got some different combinations. But they'll Jay Flowers
Speaker 6: is a guy on the move, they'll throw them the screens.
Speaker 6: They like to run him up the field and kind
Speaker 6: of curl him back inside and then make it an
Speaker 6: easy throw for Jackson to have to make. They really
Speaker 6: try hard, you know, Todd makin their oc. He tries
Speaker 6: really hard to make as many easy throws as he
Speaker 6: can for Jackson. And so you're going to see a
Speaker 6: lot of routes where they go up and turn back.
Speaker 6: Last week we saw a lot of the crossing routes.
Speaker 6: You'll see a few of those crossing routes from what
Speaker 6: I saw in two games with the Ravens.
Speaker 2: But they really rely they.
Speaker 6: Want Jackson throwing the stationary targets because he's more accurate
Speaker 6: throwing the ball that way their offensive line.
Speaker 2: Real quick.
Speaker 5: Before we go to there, I want to talk specifically
Speaker 5: about the passing game. Right now, they're ranked number one
Speaker 5: in total offense with the one hundred and thirty five
Speaker 5: yards and they're actually the interesting part about is a
Speaker 5: fourth and passing with one or ninety nine yards seventh
Speaker 5: and rushing at three hundred and thirty six yards. What's
Speaker 5: the key to the passing game? Because I going into
Speaker 5: this game. My assumption was that they're rushing, their running
Speaker 5: game would be much better than their passing game, but
Speaker 5: it looks like they've gotten more out of their passing games.
Speaker 6: It's today, It's Bateman the receiver is a nice player
Speaker 6: as a two ZA Flowers. I think has been really
Speaker 6: really good in the two games I watched. Like I say,
Speaker 6: they they try and create opportunities for for Jackson not
Speaker 6: to have to make some crazy throws. I mean, it's
Speaker 6: it's it's it's Andrew's up inside, likely up inside, likely
Speaker 6: up outside.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just some some.
Speaker 6: Simple type of a spot, stay to a spot, stand there,
Speaker 6: and they've they've they do a good job.
Speaker 2: They're good.
Speaker 4: An extension of that, they are good offscript and that
Speaker 4: that has helped facilitate their games and some the areas
Speaker 4: where they are just trying to pressure Lamar Jackson, not
Speaker 4: let him go anywhere he can escape and make some
Speaker 4: things happen.
Speaker 6: He made a throw against the Raiders. I don't know
Speaker 6: if you got to see the Raiders tape at all.
Speaker 6: He gets flushed to his right and he throws the
Speaker 6: ball all the way across the field of flowers, and
Speaker 6: so like they just lost him like it's like a
Speaker 6: it's the play breaks down and now Jackson's running. And
Speaker 6: there's times where you see him running and moving around
Speaker 6: and him having to throw off his back foot and
Speaker 6: him not get enough on the ball or get it
Speaker 6: to the outside with enough pace. You know, when he
Speaker 6: stands and able to throw, he's kind of a flick
Speaker 6: the wrist quarterback. He's not a big, winded up and
Speaker 6: let it fly guy. He's more of a just kind
Speaker 6: of sit there and flick and so you see, you know,
Speaker 6: that's why the underneath stuff, the out stuff. He's able
Speaker 6: to throw those things. And I wouldn't be surprised if
Speaker 6: they try and take a shot after what we saw
Speaker 6: last week with the seventy yarder. And you know, if
Speaker 6: they could get Zay Flowers. They've got Nelson Aguilar who's
Speaker 6: kind of could be a vertical player, but Flowers is
Speaker 6: the one that I think that they'll they'll probably take
Speaker 6: the shot with.
Speaker 7: Let me ask you something one Flowers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the last three years that Flowers was at Boston College,
Speaker 4: he worked with Steve Shimko, who's now an offensive assistant
Speaker 4: with the Cowboys.
Speaker 2: Do you think that helps in any way?
Speaker 6: That was my question, Yeah, how to defend him?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it could be just you know, hey,
Speaker 4: I know these little nuances that he didn't do great
Speaker 4: with two years to go in college.
Speaker 7: Does he work?
Speaker 2: Maybe? Why do I feel like? Why do I feel like?
Speaker 2: You know that?
Speaker 6: And maybe across the hall they're not. Maybe if our
Speaker 6: coach steps up and says, hey, I was with this
Speaker 6: guy at Boston College, anybody wants to know. But no,
Speaker 6: I I think that the thing with Flowers to me
Speaker 6: and the way they kind of they try and keep
Speaker 6: you from getting a bead on where he is is
Speaker 6: the movement with him. You know how they like to
Speaker 6: move him across the formation. Uh, they like to keep
Speaker 6: him moving so you can't double him or if you
Speaker 6: or it shows if you man, maybe you're running and
Speaker 6: he's running you through trash that type of player. But
Speaker 6: I he's a good young player. I mean he catches
Speaker 6: the ball. He's he catches the ball. Well, there's a
Speaker 6: couple of times where there were contested catches in the
Speaker 6: Raiders game where he was he had he they got
Speaker 6: knocked it out of his hands. But other than that,
Speaker 6: I mean he is a web I I can say.
Speaker 6: I think this running game is going to be the
Speaker 6: thing that these linemen are. They're really They've got some
Speaker 6: guys that that have got some athletic but the center
Speaker 6: Tyler Lindebaum. If you watch the draft show, if you
Speaker 6: follow the draft show, we were kind of all hopeful
Speaker 6: that they would have drafted Tyler. But he's a he's
Speaker 6: a smaller guy, you know, he's a lighter, smaller guy.
Speaker 2: But they pull him.
Speaker 6: They get all these guys out in space. We've seen
Speaker 6: the crack toss. We saw that, the pin and poll stuff,
Speaker 6: we saw that last week. It's all stuff that the
Speaker 6: that the Ravens do if they have a problem in
Speaker 6: past protection. And I'm gonna Nick, I'm glad you're here.
Speaker 6: It's the right tackle is Daniel?
Speaker 2: Uh Yeah? I always always Daniel. I thought it was
Speaker 2: for you.
Speaker 6: Okay, Well, anyway, he's the one guy at the right
Speaker 6: guard spot that he came from. He's a massive guy
Speaker 6: and he he came from the yeah, from the University
Speaker 6: of Minnesota, and Minnesota at the time during COVID Derek,
Speaker 6: they had guys that were six year players, six year
Speaker 6: starters on their offensive line and Foalole was one of
Speaker 6: these guys. He was a tackle and I remember him
Speaker 6: because how big he was. He's six' eighties, three hundred
Speaker 6: and eighty pounds, and so he's a massive guy. So
Speaker 6: how do you take advantage of maybe a little bit
Speaker 6: of lack of foot quickness? And that's what some people
Speaker 6: were able to do with him. You know, he is
Speaker 6: not the quickest guy when it comes to coming off
Speaker 6: the ball, and he's the one guy when matched up
Speaker 6: one on one. I went back and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 6: give me the guys with all the pressures. This is
Speaker 6: the guy that gives up the most pressures and that's
Speaker 6: the guard. So somehow, some way, if you know, you
Speaker 6: get you know, if OsO Diggy Zoowa, somebody can find
Speaker 6: a way, if you can get these guys into some
Speaker 6: passing situations, that's the guy right there that I would
Speaker 6: probably take a shot at, because the more I watched him,
Speaker 6: the more I saw a three hundred and eighty pound
Speaker 6: man that struggled with quickness and struggle with his own
Speaker 6: quickness off the football.
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Speaker 5: bit more about Derrick Henry. Is there a way to
Speaker 5: stop him? And does do the Cowboys have the things
Speaker 5: necessary in order to be able to slow him down.
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Speaker 5: about Derrick Henry. He is a first year with the
Speaker 5: Baltimore Ravens. He has been throughout his career menace when
Speaker 5: it comes to trying to tackle him. What is if
Speaker 5: there's anything that slows him down? What exactly is it?
Speaker 5: And does Dallas have that key ingredient? In order to
Speaker 5: nullify him or at least slow him down a bit
Speaker 5: in a game like this.
Speaker 4: For me, if I could at least from his time
Speaker 4: with the Titans, there's a small sample size for his
Speaker 4: time with the Ravens. He had decent O lines during
Speaker 4: his time with the Titans, and you know, they were
Speaker 4: able to pay running lanes for him, but he was
Speaker 4: really able to succeed when they had passing weapons that
Speaker 4: were able to, you know, kind of distribute the the
Speaker 4: intention from opposing defenses.
Speaker 7: And does Baltimore have that.
Speaker 4: I think they do, and say Flowers and a healthy
Speaker 4: Mark Andrews, and especially a Lamar Jackson type weapon that
Speaker 4: they also have to account for. So for me, it's
Speaker 4: always been okay, if they are not threatened by the
Speaker 4: other weapons on the team, then they load up the
Speaker 4: box and they go after Henry and they're typically able
Speaker 4: to find some success doing that. So whenever they can
Speaker 4: apply two or three guys on him, you know, that's
Speaker 4: that's the obvious kind of solution to taking down a
Speaker 4: bowling ball. But that's that's kind of what I've seen
Speaker 4: in the past. You have to put multiple guys on him,
Speaker 4: and one guy cannot bring him down.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean I was just looking through his game logs.
Speaker 6: He's had some days like, yeah, at a buck eighty
Speaker 6: eight against Kansas City, and you know in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 6: follow that up with a buck fifty nine against Jacksonville,
Speaker 6: followed that up with a with a buck forty nine
Speaker 6: against Indy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 6: This, this scheme that the Ravens have allows him. You
Speaker 6: would think that that tossing him the ball or you
Speaker 6: know sometimes those big backs, you know, I remember Brandon Jacobs, Yeah,
Speaker 6: with the Giants, and you wanted to get Brandon Jacob's
Speaker 6: playing sideways. You know, you wanted if you could get
Speaker 6: penetration up the field, hold the point and then make
Speaker 6: him have to bounce or play sideways, you had a
Speaker 6: really good chance of slowing down a big back like that.
Speaker 6: It's when these guys see an opening and then they
Speaker 6: hand him the ball. They just turn and hand it
Speaker 6: and now he's going downhill at a hole that's it's
Speaker 6: difficult to close or to get somebody over. And just
Speaker 6: the way that the Ravens with the he could he's
Speaker 6: really good taking it inside. He's good at taking it
Speaker 6: inside and bouncing it. He's good bouncing it he's good
Speaker 6: taking it straight outside. But the Ravens have got all
Speaker 6: these disability with their They're they're like especially their left
Speaker 6: tackle Staley, that running off the left side, Andrews Staley
Speaker 6: likely you know, they get a crack over there, they
Speaker 6: get by East and they and the recard they just
Speaker 6: push you. And now you got your fighting blocks and
Speaker 6: they got this two hundred and fifty pound guy running
Speaker 6: the ball at you.
Speaker 2: It makes it very, very difficult.
Speaker 6: And you know the best thing I can think of
Speaker 6: with with to try is just just to crowd that line.
Speaker 6: And you know what, if Lamar Jackson's going to beat
Speaker 6: you throwing the ball this game.
Speaker 2: So be it, so be it.
Speaker 6: I might put every body I got in that box
Speaker 6: and dare them to beat me throwing the football. And
Speaker 6: if you're good enough doing that, then I tip my
Speaker 6: hat to you. But I am not going to let
Speaker 6: you hand the ball to that guy eighteen nineteen times
Speaker 6: in this game and get one hundred and fifty one
Speaker 6: hundred and sixty yards. I'm not going to do it.
Speaker 6: I'm going to put as many bodies in that box
Speaker 6: and I'm going to say I dare you. And on
Speaker 6: the flip side of that. If I was the Ravens,
Speaker 6: I would play dime the whole game.
Speaker 2: I would think the exact same thing as you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, just play dime the whole game. And like, listen,
Speaker 6: I dare you to run the ball today. I dare
Speaker 6: you to try and run the ball today. Because you
Speaker 6: won't run the ball, you will throw against my dime package.
Speaker 6: Both teams are in a in a little bit of
Speaker 6: a bind. You know, Jackson could throw, but Jackson will
Speaker 6: also make some mistakes. You'll make some mistakes. But it
Speaker 6: to me, I I load that box up, and I'm like,
Speaker 6: if you're good, if you're gonna if you're running against
Speaker 6: eight nine guys the whole day and you have success,
Speaker 6: my god, you're a better football team than me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how I would play this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean you're gonna be asking these d
Speaker 4: beasts to be playing a lot of one on one,
Speaker 4: but hey, this season.
Speaker 6: Yes, I you know what, I have a better chance.
Speaker 6: I would have a better chance of stopping the run
Speaker 6: and stopping them, you know.
Speaker 2: And like I say.
Speaker 6: Make Lamar Jackson, make him drive the ball, throwing the ball,
Speaker 6: make him Yeah, if he if he's if he keeps
Speaker 6: hitting flowers, and hits the tight end and hit you
Speaker 6: know they keep doing that, then then that's you know, hey,
Speaker 6: it's better than them running the ball down your throat
Speaker 6: because you're probably gonna get Jackson making a mistake. You know,
Speaker 6: he'll overthrow one, he'll throw one behind a guy, they'll
Speaker 6: get tipped in the air. Maybe you get a turnover,
Speaker 6: but you really don't right now, after last week, your
Speaker 6: answer for playing run defense is not great.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think one solution that could help you win
Speaker 4: this game. You just need to figure out how to
Speaker 4: win the time of possession battle. If you can figure
Speaker 4: that one out, because they are going to come out
Speaker 4: and run on first and second down almost every single
Speaker 4: play or almost every single drive. If you can somehow
Speaker 4: figure out how to win the time of possession battle
Speaker 4: within all of that, you might find a way to
Speaker 4: win this game. But I just that's where I don't
Speaker 4: see the Cowboys being able to make up that difference,
Speaker 4: because hey, they don't have a running game, so it's
Speaker 4: not like they can chunk clock around.
Speaker 7: I think it's going to be a ten minute difference
Speaker 7: at the end of this game.
Speaker 5: We didn't talk much yesterday about Damoon Clark, but I
Speaker 5: want to get an evaluation from both of you guys,
Speaker 5: what did you see from him in this last game,
Speaker 5: and then you can even go back to game number one,
Speaker 5: what did you see from him really over those two games,
Speaker 5: and how do you evaluate where he is at this point.
Speaker 4: I think with Damon Clark, obviously a lot of responsibilities
Speaker 4: have been taken over, his taken off of his plate
Speaker 4: coming into twenty twenty four and still trying to find
Speaker 4: his new role, I think is still the assessment that
Speaker 4: I see from the first two games. But I think
Speaker 4: there was no player on the defensive side of the
Speaker 4: ball that I could have credited great play to. I
Speaker 4: think Michael Parsons had some moments. I think Chauncey Golsten
Speaker 4: had some moments, but I want to look at Damn
Speaker 4: Clark specifically. I mean, there was times that I mentioned
Speaker 4: where Eric Kendricks Mayslea fal even overshown in mensusis we're
Speaker 4: having to play two gaps at a time. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: there were times when Demonk Clark was having to do
Speaker 4: the same thing. But there was also times when de
Speaker 4: moonk Clark had a one gap reading he missed it.
Speaker 4: So it's like, I think it's still trying to figure out.
Speaker 6: That a role.
Speaker 4: But also he needs a consistent defensive front to be
Speaker 4: able to do that. When you're being asked to do
Speaker 4: something and the people around you are not doing their jobs,
Speaker 4: it's really tough.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's he's a good player, he's not good enough
Speaker 6: to do everyone else's job. I think Nick's right about
Speaker 6: that when you ask him, Okay, your responsibility is this.
Speaker 6: I think he's pretty good at doing that. But don't
Speaker 6: ask him to do a lot of things. And this
Speaker 6: is where that comes in about with overshown. You know,
Speaker 6: how how do you find a way? Is that leaf
Speaker 6: Al Clark who comes off the field. My gut feeling
Speaker 6: is if they had to take a guy off the field,
Speaker 6: they would probably take Clark off the field, would be
Speaker 6: my guess. H And if to play overshown. But again,
Speaker 6: here's here's a team you're probably gonna see. You know,
Speaker 6: eighty nine percent of their their their snaps last week
Speaker 6: were base defensive snaps. You know, this team gets in
Speaker 6: that twenty one personnel twenty two personnel like we saw.
Speaker 6: You know, the Ravens are going to say, okay, we're
Speaker 6: going to make you play based defense again because you
Speaker 6: didn't do a very good job of that. But to me,
Speaker 6: if you need to think about you need to think
Speaker 6: about where Overshown fits in that bass package. You need
Speaker 6: his ability to finish with you know, he when he
Speaker 6: could get through a hole or he didn't have to
Speaker 6: fight the block and he can run, He could tack
Speaker 6: guys for no gains or small gains. You need that
Speaker 6: on the field.
Speaker 2: Right now.
Speaker 5: Let's flip that and let's do an evaluation on Kaitlin
Speaker 5: Carson rookie had two games. Now what are you seeing
Speaker 5: from him that he's doing well? And what are areas
Speaker 5: where you look at it and you say, if he
Speaker 5: doesn't fix this, other teams are going to see it
Speaker 5: and it's going to be exploited in future weeks.
Speaker 4: I'll start with that backside thought speed. We saw that
Speaker 4: on display Rashid Shaheed or a Lave, these guys were
Speaker 4: able to get some wiggle off of them, you know,
Speaker 4: at the top of their routes and was able to
Speaker 4: kind of get away from Carson at times. Carson is
Speaker 4: an aggressive guy, and I think that's probably what Al
Speaker 4: Harris saw on film from Wake Forest and said, hey,
Speaker 4: we want this guy because we can kind of fine
Speaker 4: tune this a little bit and make a turnover machine
Speaker 4: out of it. With that being said, though, you're still
Speaker 4: going to have a lot of cons that come with that,
Speaker 4: and one of those being accounting for speed. I think
Speaker 4: at times that was Stefan Gilmore's biggest issue last year,
Speaker 4: especially later down the season. So when he lines up
Speaker 4: against these speed weapons, they are able to blow by him,
Speaker 4: and we saw that on a multiple occasions from Rashid Shaheed,
Speaker 4: Chris Alave and some of those other passing weapons for
Speaker 4: the for the Saints, even at a couple of snaps
Speaker 4: where he's lined up on Kamara. I think I think
Speaker 4: with Kayln Carson, it's it's going to be a reps
Speaker 4: thing for sure. But I think if he can he
Speaker 4: can get a little bit more depth at pre snap,
Speaker 4: he'll be able to kind of account for that a
Speaker 4: little bit more. Yeah, because I like the physicality from him.
Speaker 4: I just want that physicality at the top of routes too,
Speaker 4: even if it comes with penalties.
Speaker 7: I'm okay with that. We haven't seen that yet.
Speaker 4: I would be okay if he has a physicality penalty
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, if it shows that
Speaker 4: he's trying to push guys off off the route.
Speaker 6: Man, I maybe this approach is terrible to take. I
Speaker 6: would play him as much press as I could, because
Speaker 6: he I feel like, yeah, give me the I feel
Speaker 6: like a depth they can run on him and I don't.
Speaker 2: And when they run on him, I don't know.
Speaker 6: I think he's his quickness is good, but I don't
Speaker 6: think it's I don't think it's the ability to like
Speaker 6: to peddle and to turn and to go. I think
Speaker 6: anything when he could play press and get hands on
Speaker 6: and then try and maybe make that receiver have to
Speaker 6: start stop, start again, that kind kind of play into
Speaker 6: a strength. You could see the separation on the end
Speaker 6: cut routes and the things like that. I mean, at depth,
Speaker 6: it just didn't seem like there was that explosiveness that
Speaker 6: you really wanted. I mean, there's I could also see
Speaker 6: being a little nervous about the speed, you know. You know,
Speaker 6: we've seen him in the remember the Rams preseason game
Speaker 6: where he looked very tentative playing, you know, and I
Speaker 6: felt like against the Browns he was a little bit
Speaker 6: more aggressive what he needed to be. And then all
Speaker 6: of a sudden, you can deal with some guys that
Speaker 6: can run a little bit then, But I would play
Speaker 6: him as much press and just let him bang guys
Speaker 6: at the line of scrimmage, bang them, run and sink
Speaker 6: and go with him the huge play they had, the
Speaker 6: huge the seventy yard touchdown pass. They're playing cover too,
Speaker 6: And I said it, they're playing cover too, and he's
Speaker 6: got a jam in sink.
Speaker 2: He misses the jam. He doesn't even jam, he just sinks.
Speaker 2: And now you got a free runner on those safeties.
Speaker 2: And so he's got to learn. You know, your technique
Speaker 2: is important. If they ask you to jam, you got
Speaker 2: your jam. The defense depends on you playing it the
Speaker 2: right way. But me personally, I worry about him playing
Speaker 2: from some depth.
Speaker 6: I know he was his zone player, but until he
Speaker 6: kind of gets a good feel for it, I'd put
Speaker 6: him up, let him be physical, let him try and
Speaker 6: run with defenders or excu me receivers. If he gets
Speaker 6: a couple of defensive holding penalties, fine their five yard penalties,
Speaker 6: but learn learn along the way to on how to
Speaker 6: make those plays.
Speaker 4: Do you think there's a more a higher likelihood though,
Speaker 4: if he's playing more press, he's going to give up
Speaker 4: more big plays at the end of the day.
Speaker 2: If he misses with the jams. Sure, okay, sure, But
Speaker 2: to me, is.
Speaker 7: That because of the speed, Because of the speed.
Speaker 6: I think, to me, if depending on how much cover
Speaker 6: two you play, maybe if you're one of those safeties,
Speaker 6: if you're a hooker or you're Wilson, especially hooker, keep
Speaker 6: an eye on the rookie side of the field, you know.
Speaker 2: Keep it digs.
Speaker 6: Digs you can digs, you can say, Okay, he's fine,
Speaker 6: I need to think about cheating over to this guy's
Speaker 6: side a little bit until they kind of figure those
Speaker 6: things out. Beat a couple times digs did digs from
Speaker 6: depth too, running running inside, you know, and that's something
Speaker 6: you did, You really were when these guys play off.
Speaker 6: It's just it doesn't seem like anybody in the league
Speaker 6: is covering the crossing routes anymore. Oh yeah, every time
Speaker 6: I look up, somebody's hitting a big play on the
Speaker 6: crossing routes. Nobody able to kind of carry outs inside.
Speaker 6: And when I'm looking at corners, that's what I always
Speaker 6: think about. You carry outs inside. You can play cornerback
Speaker 6: for me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it used to be a time when you could
Speaker 5: defend the crossing routes by having a safety down there
Speaker 5: would just break the guy in half. Yeah, you can't
Speaker 5: really do that in the same way anymore. We don't
Speaker 5: live in the days of Ronnie Lotton new or being
Speaker 5: able to just kind of break guys up. Yea, but yeah,
Speaker 5: I think my question for you guys on Kaylan do
Speaker 5: you feel like he is as I as I put
Speaker 5: it age appropriate. Do you feel like he is where
Speaker 5: he's supposed to be at this point in his career
Speaker 5: or do you think he's ahead?
Speaker 2: Do you think he's behind.
Speaker 7: I think he's ahead.
Speaker 4: I mean if you're looking at a fifth round pick rookie,
Speaker 4: I mean you're getting what you You're getting more than
Speaker 4: what you could have expected out of him when you
Speaker 4: picked him an April.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's a liability at all time.
Speaker 6: I mean teams have thrown the ball at him and
Speaker 6: you know he's just he's got to he's got to
Speaker 6: take better angles.
Speaker 2: I mean, these are things he's gonna line. Yeah, these
Speaker 2: are things.
Speaker 6: I mean like when the game the game is a
Speaker 6: fast game, it is really and when when they throw
Speaker 6: a screen and you got to take an angle that
Speaker 6: could have been you know, you tackle Kamara. It's a
Speaker 6: it's a twelve yard game. It's not a fifty seven
Speaker 6: yard touchdown if you take a better angle there. There
Speaker 6: are things he's going to have to learn along the way,
Speaker 6: and you know they'll be able to point it out
Speaker 6: to him. Now he's doing these playing, Now he's playing.
Speaker 6: I trust Al Harris to get him to where he
Speaker 6: needs to be, you know, in the coming weeks.
Speaker 4: That seven yards seven yard, Yeah, Kendrick's just not just missing.
Speaker 6: Kendrick's overrunning to play. And then Carson's angle was bad too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, we appreciate you guys.
Speaker 5: Jones will be back tomorrow. We'll get into the Ravens
Speaker 5: defense versus the Cowboys offense till then, for Nick Harris
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