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Speaker 5: It is Wednesday, September eighteenth, twenty twenty four, Season twenty,

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Speaker 5: episode number thirty two. Welcome to the latest edition of

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Speaker 5: Welcome to the show. We've got a lot we're going

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Speaker 5: to get into today. Cowboys versus Ravens is our first day.

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Speaker 5: Moving on to week three of the season, we will

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Speaker 5: get a breakdown from Brian on the Baltimore offense, which

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Speaker 5: is scary versus the Dallas defense. We will get to

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Speaker 5: some different topics. I had some questions I have around

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Speaker 5: the Dallas defense and some things that they've been experiencing

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Speaker 5: in ways that they're gonna have to approach getting better.

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Speaker 6: Yes, I was gonna let you finish, but I made

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Speaker 6: that face because I did want to ask you guys

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Speaker 6: a question after you get done.

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Speaker 4: I have one even after you all right, you know something,

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Speaker 4: we're taking over the show.

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Speaker 5: Whatever I was gonna say, it doesn't matter, Brian.

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Speaker 2: What's the question?

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Speaker 6: Does this defense have a problem with big offenses? And

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Speaker 6: I mean big as far as personnel. If you play

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Speaker 6: with are you built to play the what was at

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Speaker 6: one time the modern passing game where everybody was throwing

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Speaker 6: the ball and now you're kind of we're into that mix.

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Speaker 6: Where about the Shanahan stuff, you know, and Shanahan's back

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Speaker 6: in the day, I was, you know, I competed against

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Speaker 6: the father you know, used Denver the way they ran

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Speaker 6: the ball and stuff and played with a full back

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Speaker 6: and all that. But are are the Cowboys built in

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Speaker 6: a way, not at this current configuration, not to play

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Speaker 6: against the big offenses and I mean big with full back,

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Speaker 6: multiple tight ends, big bodied guys.

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Speaker 5: Let me let me answer that question with a question,

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Speaker 5: what was Cleveland? Because Cleveland feels to me like a

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Speaker 5: big boy brand of football. Type team.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't have their back. Yeah, but that back

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Speaker 2: played pretty well for yeah.

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Speaker 6: Right, and and Djoku I to me, I'm thinking I'm

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Speaker 6: thinking with with Cleveland, maybe not so much with.

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Speaker 2: The fullback and all that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they developed, they had a lot of fullback, didn't they.

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Speaker 6: The quarterback had something to do with that too. I'm

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Speaker 6: just trying to think about the teams that have kind

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Speaker 6: of the teams that have given Dallas problems, the teams

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Speaker 6: like a San Francisco and even maybe a little bit

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Speaker 6: of a Green Bay the way they give Dallas the problems.

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Speaker 6: If you play in twenty one personnel or twenty two personnel,

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Speaker 6: that seems to be something. But you're right about Cleveland.

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Speaker 6: I just don't know if Cleveland and Cleveland, like I say,

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Speaker 6: yeah Cleveland, that Cleveland run the ball, they just didn't

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Speaker 6: have the guys they normally run the ball with. Now

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Speaker 6: San Francisco is watching them against Minnesota this morning. You

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Speaker 6: the ball. Actually is even more physical than McCaffrey running

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Speaker 6: the ball. So I was kind of curious, like what

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Speaker 5: San Francisco has not won in Minnesota since nineteen ninety two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Wow, Yeah, I was like, that seems weird, Like I

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Speaker 6: I just I just wondered that about that about cause

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Speaker 2: You were built to play in an era where teams.

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Speaker 6: Remember there was a time, Derek, when I was working

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Speaker 6: for you here at dot com where we were talking

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Speaker 6: about if you ran the ball, and everybody remember how

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Speaker 2: Would do shows and everything.

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Speaker 6: They're running it too much on first down, they're running

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Speaker 2: And then everybody that.

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Speaker 6: Was an analytics guy or gal was telling you that

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Speaker 6: running the football was not the way to go because

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Speaker 2: Saying, running the football, you don't score enough. Okay, you don't.

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Speaker 6: But now where are we We're to the We've built

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Speaker 6: these defenses to combat the eleven personnel stuff, and now

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Speaker 6: we're trying to get back to build defenses that can

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Speaker 6: handle twenty one and twenty two. When I say that

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Speaker 6: Jerry's Jerry, So yeah, always in my mind. But see

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Speaker 6: That's where I wonder if Dallas Is did they try

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Speaker 6: to with Mazzi Smith. You have three hundred and twenty

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Speaker 2: They never did under the Rod Marinelli administration.

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Speaker 4: then what has changed since twenty twenty three and twenty

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Speaker 4: the interior. We haven't loved to play from them so far. Right,

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Speaker 4: you still only have four guys on your entire defense

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Speaker 4: Osa Digizua, Linval Joseph, Jordan Phillips and Mazzi Smith. Those

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Speaker 4: So where does the weight? Where does the size actually

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Speaker 4: come with the talent? I'm not quite seeing that so far.

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Speaker 4: were not built that way last year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we'll play especially play.

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Speaker 5: I think that was more of the issue. Last year's

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Speaker 5: injury forced them mental situation where they're still the right

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Speaker 5: built for it. I just think they're.

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Speaker 2: Bad at it right now. They got the bodies we

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Speaker 5: They just aren't good at doing what they need to

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Speaker 5: I think, you know, you listen to somebody like Zimmer

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Speaker 5: it because they have the bodies. Like, the bodies are there.

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Speaker 5: These are body.

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Speaker 2: Tests to talent.

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Speaker 5: Are they good enough is the question? Are they good

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Speaker 2: I feel like that the one way.

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Speaker 6: And I don't see them waving a magic wand and

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Speaker 6: they're going to have the same personnel. But you better

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Speaker 2: I don't care if you have.

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Speaker 6: To hold guys coming off the ball, or play with

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Speaker 6: We saw that that they've you know, and some of

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Speaker 6: You know, it was two and a half yards before

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Speaker 7: The hole and first.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and you know it's like maybe six yards he

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Speaker 6: They're like, hey, we they blocked well enough in the

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 5: One thing I'll say, though, is I look at teams

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Speaker 5: you would say Cleveland is Cleveland to me is a

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Speaker 5: overpower you, right. I don't look at those offenses as

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Speaker 5: they'll go twenty one personnel, but they do a lot

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Speaker 2: With than this team you're about to play with. Ye

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Speaker 2: that way. Yeah, I'll tell you this though.

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Speaker 6: I'll tell you what the watch in San Francisco with

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Speaker 6: so some of these teams have kind of figured out like, man,

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Speaker 7: Dobbins as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Chargers, the Chargers, and that's the coke.

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Speaker 7: But we knew that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the.

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Speaker 5: So I just look at at at the way that

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Speaker 5: know they got to fix this part of their It

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Speaker 5: is critical long year that they fixed this part of

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Speaker 5: the And if you notice, I was watching Good Morning

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Speaker 5: Football this morning, they were talking about right now, through

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Speaker 5: two games, the league is heavily skewed right now toward

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Speaker 5: running more than past.

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Speaker 2: See that's and that's the part where you asked that question.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like, is the league flipping on us now,

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Speaker 5: and if it is the Cowboys suited to be able

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Speaker 6: There was a time where we could not handle eleven personnel. Everybody, jeez,

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Speaker 7: A third quarter.

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Speaker 2: What the hell? Don't let them do this?

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Speaker 6: And now and then college football, everybody plays so wide open,

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Speaker 2: The big defensive linemen.

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Speaker 6: You know, where are those guys to And now teams

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Speaker 2: Defense, not an LSU defense.

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Speaker 5: We're presented by LG. Let's go into this breakdown. Actually,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so a defensive tackle Jordan Phillips, who was acquired

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Speaker 4: In his place, the Cowboys have signed Carlos Watkins, bringing

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Speaker 6: Nothing better than that watching that tape that way, you know,

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Speaker 2: With the ball in his hands.

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Speaker 6: He's like having an extra running back with with unbelievable

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Speaker 6: ability to make you miss. So you're going to have

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Speaker 6: to play discipline. You're gonna have to tackle well in

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Speaker 6: this game.

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Speaker 2: Every game. You got to tackle well. But this guy shakes.

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Speaker 6: Loose more tackles, makes guys, breaks guys down. He makes

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Speaker 6: small little plays that look like they're going to be

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Speaker 6: stopped into huge plays, and so you're gonna have to

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Speaker 6: be ready for that. His ability to run the football.

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Speaker 6: But they're there. They're sound with their tight end room.

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Speaker 6: They're very good with their running back room. They're wide receivers.

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Speaker 6: I think the best wide receiver that they have on

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Speaker 6: their team is Zay Flowers from Boston College.

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Speaker 2: And Zay is the one.

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Speaker 6: He wears number four, and he's going to be the

458
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Speaker 6: guy that constantly plays in motion. They keep him on

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Speaker 6: the move. They like to when they play under center.

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Speaker 6: They'll hand him the ball and the Jets sweep if

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Speaker 6: they if they get under center and then he runs

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Speaker 6: a jet sweep and they fake it and then they

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Speaker 6: flip it to Justice Hill or they'll flip it to Henry.

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Speaker 6: So they've got some different combinations. But they'll Jay Flowers

465
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Speaker 6: is a guy on the move, they'll throw them the screens.

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Speaker 6: They like to run him up the field and kind

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Speaker 6: of curl him back inside and then make it an

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Speaker 6: easy throw for Jackson to have to make. They really

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Speaker 6: try hard, you know, Todd makin their oc. He tries

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Speaker 6: really hard to make as many easy throws as he

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Speaker 6: can for Jackson. And so you're going to see a

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Speaker 6: lot of routes where they go up and turn back.

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Speaker 6: Last week we saw a lot of the crossing routes.

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Speaker 6: You'll see a few of those crossing routes from what

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Speaker 6: I saw in two games with the Ravens.

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Speaker 2: But they really rely they.

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Speaker 6: Want Jackson throwing the stationary targets because he's more accurate

478
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Speaker 6: throwing the ball that way their offensive line.

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Speaker 2: Real quick.

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Speaker 5: Before we go to there, I want to talk specifically

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Speaker 5: about the passing game. Right now, they're ranked number one

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Speaker 5: in total offense with the one hundred and thirty five

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Speaker 5: yards and they're actually the interesting part about is a

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Speaker 5: fourth and passing with one or ninety nine yards seventh

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Speaker 5: and rushing at three hundred and thirty six yards. What's

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Speaker 5: the key to the passing game? Because I going into

487
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Speaker 5: this game. My assumption was that they're rushing, their running

488
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Speaker 5: game would be much better than their passing game, but

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Speaker 5: it looks like they've gotten more out of their passing games.

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Speaker 6: It's today, It's Bateman the receiver is a nice player

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Speaker 6: as a two ZA Flowers. I think has been really

492
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Speaker 6: really good in the two games I watched. Like I say,

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Speaker 6: they they try and create opportunities for for Jackson not

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Speaker 6: to have to make some crazy throws. I mean, it's

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Speaker 6: it's it's it's Andrew's up inside, likely up inside, likely

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Speaker 6: up outside.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's just some some.

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Speaker 6: Simple type of a spot, stay to a spot, stand there,

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Speaker 6: and they've they've they do a good job.

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Speaker 2: They're good.

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Speaker 4: An extension of that, they are good offscript and that

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Speaker 4: that has helped facilitate their games and some the areas

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Speaker 4: where they are just trying to pressure Lamar Jackson, not

504
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Speaker 4: let him go anywhere he can escape and make some

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Speaker 4: things happen.

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Speaker 6: He made a throw against the Raiders. I don't know

507
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Speaker 6: if you got to see the Raiders tape at all.

508
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Speaker 6: He gets flushed to his right and he throws the

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Speaker 6: ball all the way across the field of flowers, and

510
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Speaker 6: so like they just lost him like it's like a

511
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Speaker 6: it's the play breaks down and now Jackson's running. And

512
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Speaker 6: there's times where you see him running and moving around

513
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Speaker 6: and him having to throw off his back foot and

514
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Speaker 6: him not get enough on the ball or get it

515
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Speaker 6: to the outside with enough pace. You know, when he

516
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Speaker 6: stands and able to throw, he's kind of a flick

517
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Speaker 6: the wrist quarterback. He's not a big, winded up and

518
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Speaker 6: let it fly guy. He's more of a just kind

519
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Speaker 6: of sit there and flick and so you see, you know,

520
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Speaker 6: that's why the underneath stuff, the out stuff. He's able

521
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Speaker 6: to throw those things. And I wouldn't be surprised if

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Speaker 6: they try and take a shot after what we saw

523
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Speaker 6: last week with the seventy yarder. And you know, if

524
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Speaker 6: they could get Zay Flowers. They've got Nelson Aguilar who's

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Speaker 6: kind of could be a vertical player, but Flowers is

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Speaker 6: the one that I think that they'll they'll probably take

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Speaker 6: the shot with.

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Speaker 7: Let me ask you something one Flowers.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the last three years that Flowers was at Boston College,

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Speaker 4: he worked with Steve Shimko, who's now an offensive assistant

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Speaker 4: with the Cowboys.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that helps in any way?

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Speaker 6: That was my question, Yeah, how to defend him?

534
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it could be just you know, hey,

535
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Speaker 4: I know these little nuances that he didn't do great

536
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Speaker 4: with two years to go in college.

537
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Speaker 7: Does he work?

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Speaker 2: Maybe? Why do I feel like? Why do I feel like?

539
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Speaker 2: You know that?

540
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Speaker 6: And maybe across the hall they're not. Maybe if our

541
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Speaker 6: coach steps up and says, hey, I was with this

542
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Speaker 6: guy at Boston College, anybody wants to know. But no,

543
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Speaker 6: I I think that the thing with Flowers to me

544
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Speaker 6: and the way they kind of they try and keep

545
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Speaker 6: you from getting a bead on where he is is

546
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Speaker 6: the movement with him. You know how they like to

547
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Speaker 6: move him across the formation. Uh, they like to keep

548
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Speaker 6: him moving so you can't double him or if you

549
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Speaker 6: or it shows if you man, maybe you're running and

550
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,719
Speaker 6: he's running you through trash that type of player. But

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Speaker 6: I he's a good young player. I mean he catches

552
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Speaker 6: the ball. He's he catches the ball. Well, there's a

553
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Speaker 6: couple of times where there were contested catches in the

554
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Speaker 6: Raiders game where he was he had he they got

555
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Speaker 6: knocked it out of his hands. But other than that,

556
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Speaker 6: I mean he is a web I I can say.

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Speaker 6: I think this running game is going to be the

558
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Speaker 6: thing that these linemen are. They're really They've got some

559
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Speaker 6: guys that that have got some athletic but the center

560
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Speaker 6: Tyler Lindebaum. If you watch the draft show, if you

561
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Speaker 6: follow the draft show, we were kind of all hopeful

562
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Speaker 6: that they would have drafted Tyler. But he's a he's

563
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Speaker 6: a smaller guy, you know, he's a lighter, smaller guy.

564
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Speaker 2: But they pull him.

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Speaker 6: They get all these guys out in space. We've seen

566
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Speaker 6: the crack toss. We saw that, the pin and poll stuff,

567
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Speaker 6: we saw that last week. It's all stuff that the

568
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Speaker 6: that the Ravens do if they have a problem in

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Speaker 6: past protection. And I'm gonna Nick, I'm glad you're here.

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Speaker 6: It's the right tackle is Daniel?

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Speaker 2: Uh Yeah? I always always Daniel. I thought it was

572
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Speaker 2: for you.

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Speaker 6: Okay, Well, anyway, he's the one guy at the right

574
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Speaker 6: guard spot that he came from. He's a massive guy

575
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Speaker 6: and he he came from the yeah, from the University

576
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Speaker 6: of Minnesota, and Minnesota at the time during COVID Derek,

577
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Speaker 6: they had guys that were six year players, six year

578
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Speaker 6: starters on their offensive line and Foalole was one of

579
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Speaker 6: these guys. He was a tackle and I remember him

580
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Speaker 6: because how big he was. He's six' eighties, three hundred

581
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Speaker 6: and eighty pounds, and so he's a massive guy. So

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Speaker 6: how do you take advantage of maybe a little bit

583
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Speaker 6: of lack of foot quickness? And that's what some people

584
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Speaker 6: were able to do with him. You know, he is

585
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Speaker 6: not the quickest guy when it comes to coming off

586
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Speaker 6: the ball, and he's the one guy when matched up

587
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Speaker 6: one on one. I went back and I was like, Okay,

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Speaker 6: give me the guys with all the pressures. This is

589
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Speaker 6: the guy that gives up the most pressures and that's

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Speaker 6: the guard. So somehow, some way, if you know, you

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Speaker 6: a way, if you can get these guys into some

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Speaker 6: probably take a shot at, because the more I watched him,

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Speaker 5: Baltimore Ravens. He has been throughout his career menace when

662
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 5: it comes to trying to tackle him. What is if

663
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:18,239
Speaker 5: there's anything that slows him down? What exactly is it?

664
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 5: And does Dallas have that key ingredient? In order to

665
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 5: nullify him or at least slow him down a bit

666
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 5: in a game like this.

667
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 4: For me, if I could at least from his time

668
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 4: with the Titans, there's a small sample size for his

669
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 4: time with the Ravens. He had decent O lines during

670
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 4: his time with the Titans, and you know, they were

671
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 4: able to pay running lanes for him, but he was

672
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 4: really able to succeed when they had passing weapons that

673
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 4: were able to, you know, kind of distribute the the

674
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 4: intention from opposing defenses.

675
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 7: And does Baltimore have that.

676
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 4: I think they do, and say Flowers and a healthy

677
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 4: Mark Andrews, and especially a Lamar Jackson type weapon that

678
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 4: they also have to account for. So for me, it's

679
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 4: always been okay, if they are not threatened by the

680
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 4: other weapons on the team, then they load up the

681
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 4: box and they go after Henry and they're typically able

682
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 4: to find some success doing that. So whenever they can

683
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 4: apply two or three guys on him, you know, that's

684
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 4: that's the obvious kind of solution to taking down a

685
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 4: bowling ball. But that's that's kind of what I've seen

686
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 4: in the past. You have to put multiple guys on him,

687
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 4: and one guy cannot bring him down.

688
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean I was just looking through his game logs.

689
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 6: He's had some days like, yeah, at a buck eighty

690
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 6: eight against Kansas City, and you know in twenty nineteen,

691
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 6: follow that up with a buck fifty nine against Jacksonville,

692
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 6: followed that up with a with a buck forty nine

693
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 6: against Indy.

694
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean.

695
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 6: This, this scheme that the Ravens have allows him. You

696
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 6: would think that that tossing him the ball or you

697
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 6: know sometimes those big backs, you know, I remember Brandon Jacobs, Yeah,

698
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 6: with the Giants, and you wanted to get Brandon Jacob's

699
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 6: playing sideways. You know, you wanted if you could get

700
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 6: penetration up the field, hold the point and then make

701
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 6: him have to bounce or play sideways, you had a

702
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 6: really good chance of slowing down a big back like that.

703
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 6: It's when these guys see an opening and then they

704
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 6: hand him the ball. They just turn and hand it

705
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 6: and now he's going downhill at a hole that's it's

706
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 6: difficult to close or to get somebody over. And just

707
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 6: the way that the Ravens with the he could he's

708
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 6: really good taking it inside. He's good at taking it

709
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 6: inside and bouncing it. He's good bouncing it he's good

710
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 6: taking it straight outside. But the Ravens have got all

711
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 6: these disability with their They're they're like especially their left

712
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 6: tackle Staley, that running off the left side, Andrews Staley

713
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 6: likely you know, they get a crack over there, they

714
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 6: get by East and they and the recard they just

715
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 6: push you. And now you got your fighting blocks and

716
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 6: they got this two hundred and fifty pound guy running

717
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 6: the ball at you.

718
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 2: It makes it very, very difficult.

719
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 6: And you know the best thing I can think of

720
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 6: with with to try is just just to crowd that line.

721
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 6: And you know what, if Lamar Jackson's going to beat

722
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 6: you throwing the ball this game.

723
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 2: So be it, so be it.

724
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 6: I might put every body I got in that box

725
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 6: and dare them to beat me throwing the football. And

726
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 6: if you're good enough doing that, then I tip my

727
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 6: hat to you. But I am not going to let

728
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,760
Speaker 6: you hand the ball to that guy eighteen nineteen times

729
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 6: in this game and get one hundred and fifty one

730
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 6: hundred and sixty yards. I'm not going to do it.

731
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 6: I'm going to put as many bodies in that box

732
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 6: and I'm going to say I dare you. And on

733
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 6: the flip side of that. If I was the Ravens,

734
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 6: I would play dime the whole game.

735
00:34:58,239 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 2: I would think the exact same thing as you.

736
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, just play dime the whole game. And like, listen,

737
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 6: I dare you to run the ball today. I dare

738
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 6: you to try and run the ball today. Because you

739
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 6: won't run the ball, you will throw against my dime package.

740
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 6: Both teams are in a in a little bit of

741
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 6: a bind. You know, Jackson could throw, but Jackson will

742
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 6: also make some mistakes. You'll make some mistakes. But it

743
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 6: to me, I I load that box up, and I'm like,

744
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 6: if you're good, if you're gonna if you're running against

745
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 6: eight nine guys the whole day and you have success,

746
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 6: my god, you're a better football team than me.

747
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how I would play this.

748
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean you're gonna be asking these d

749
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 4: beasts to be playing a lot of one on one,

750
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 4: but hey, this season.

751
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 6: Yes, I you know what, I have a better chance.

752
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 6: I would have a better chance of stopping the run

753
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 6: and stopping them, you know.

754
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 2: And like I say.

755
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 6: Make Lamar Jackson, make him drive the ball, throwing the ball,

756
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 6: make him Yeah, if he if he's if he keeps

757
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 6: hitting flowers, and hits the tight end and hit you

758
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 6: know they keep doing that, then then that's you know, hey,

759
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 6: it's better than them running the ball down your throat

760
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 6: because you're probably gonna get Jackson making a mistake. You know,

761
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 6: he'll overthrow one, he'll throw one behind a guy, they'll

762
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 6: get tipped in the air. Maybe you get a turnover,

763
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 6: but you really don't right now, after last week, your

764
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,240
Speaker 6: answer for playing run defense is not great.

765
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think one solution that could help you win

766
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 4: this game. You just need to figure out how to

767
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 4: win the time of possession battle. If you can figure

768
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 4: that one out, because they are going to come out

769
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 4: and run on first and second down almost every single

770
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 4: play or almost every single drive. If you can somehow

771
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 4: figure out how to win the time of possession battle

772
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 4: within all of that, you might find a way to

773
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 4: win this game. But I just that's where I don't

774
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 4: see the Cowboys being able to make up that difference,

775
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 4: because hey, they don't have a running game, so it's

776
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 4: not like they can chunk clock around.

777
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 7: I think it's going to be a ten minute difference

778
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 7: at the end of this game.

779
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 5: We didn't talk much yesterday about Damoon Clark, but I

780
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:52,919
Speaker 5: want to get an evaluation from both of you guys,

781
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,720
Speaker 5: what did you see from him in this last game,

782
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 5: and then you can even go back to game number one,

783
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 5: what did you see from him really over those two games,

784
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 5: and how do you evaluate where he is at this point.

785
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 4: I think with Damon Clark, obviously a lot of responsibilities

786
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 4: have been taken over, his taken off of his plate

787
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 4: coming into twenty twenty four and still trying to find

788
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 4: his new role, I think is still the assessment that

789
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 4: I see from the first two games. But I think

790
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 4: there was no player on the defensive side of the

791
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 4: ball that I could have credited great play to. I

792
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 4: think Michael Parsons had some moments. I think Chauncey Golsten

793
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 4: had some moments, but I want to look at Damn

794
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,439
Speaker 4: Clark specifically. I mean, there was times that I mentioned

795
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 4: where Eric Kendricks Mayslea fal even overshown in mensusis we're

796
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 4: having to play two gaps at a time. Yeah, and

797
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 4: there were times when Demonk Clark was having to do

798
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 4: the same thing. But there was also times when de

799
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 4: moonk Clark had a one gap reading he missed it.

800
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,720
Speaker 4: So it's like, I think it's still trying to figure out.

801
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 6: That a role.

802
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 4: But also he needs a consistent defensive front to be

803
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 4: able to do that. When you're being asked to do

804
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 4: something and the people around you are not doing their jobs,

805
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 4: it's really tough.

806
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's he's a good player, he's not good enough

807
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 6: to do everyone else's job. I think Nick's right about

808
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 6: that when you ask him, Okay, your responsibility is this.

809
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 6: I think he's pretty good at doing that. But don't

810
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 6: ask him to do a lot of things. And this

811
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 6: is where that comes in about with overshown. You know,

812
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 6: how how do you find a way? Is that leaf

813
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 6: Al Clark who comes off the field. My gut feeling

814
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 6: is if they had to take a guy off the field,

815
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 6: they would probably take Clark off the field, would be

816
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 6: my guess. H And if to play overshown. But again,

817
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 6: here's here's a team you're probably gonna see. You know,

818
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 6: eighty nine percent of their their their snaps last week

819
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 6: were base defensive snaps. You know, this team gets in

820
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 6: that twenty one personnel twenty two personnel like we saw.

821
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 6: You know, the Ravens are going to say, okay, we're

822
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 6: going to make you play based defense again because you

823
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 6: didn't do a very good job of that. But to me,

824
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 6: if you need to think about you need to think

825
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 6: about where Overshown fits in that bass package. You need

826
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 6: his ability to finish with you know, he when he

827
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 6: could get through a hole or he didn't have to

828
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 6: fight the block and he can run, He could tack

829
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 6: guys for no gains or small gains. You need that

830
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 6: on the field.

831
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 2: Right now.

832
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 5: Let's flip that and let's do an evaluation on Kaitlin

833
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 5: Carson rookie had two games. Now what are you seeing

834
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 5: from him that he's doing well? And what are areas

835
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 5: where you look at it and you say, if he

836
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 5: doesn't fix this, other teams are going to see it

837
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 5: and it's going to be exploited in future weeks.

838
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 4: I'll start with that backside thought speed. We saw that

839
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 4: on display Rashid Shaheed or a Lave, these guys were

840
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 4: able to get some wiggle off of them, you know,

841
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 4: at the top of their routes and was able to

842
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 4: kind of get away from Carson at times. Carson is

843
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 4: an aggressive guy, and I think that's probably what Al

844
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 4: Harris saw on film from Wake Forest and said, hey,

845
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 4: we want this guy because we can kind of fine

846
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 4: tune this a little bit and make a turnover machine

847
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 4: out of it. With that being said, though, you're still

848
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 4: going to have a lot of cons that come with that,

849
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 4: and one of those being accounting for speed. I think

850
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 4: at times that was Stefan Gilmore's biggest issue last year,

851
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 4: especially later down the season. So when he lines up

852
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 4: against these speed weapons, they are able to blow by him,

853
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 4: and we saw that on a multiple occasions from Rashid Shaheed,

854
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 4: Chris Alave and some of those other passing weapons for

855
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 4: the for the Saints, even at a couple of snaps

856
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 4: where he's lined up on Kamara. I think I think

857
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,760
Speaker 4: with Kayln Carson, it's it's going to be a reps

858
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 4: thing for sure. But I think if he can he

859
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 4: can get a little bit more depth at pre snap,

860
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 4: he'll be able to kind of account for that a

861
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 4: little bit more. Yeah, because I like the physicality from him.

862
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 4: I just want that physicality at the top of routes too,

863
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 4: even if it comes with penalties.

864
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 7: I'm okay with that. We haven't seen that yet.

865
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 4: I would be okay if he has a physicality penalty

866
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, if it shows that

867
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,760
Speaker 4: he's trying to push guys off off the route.

868
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 6: Man, I maybe this approach is terrible to take. I

869
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,720
Speaker 6: would play him as much press as I could, because

870
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 6: he I feel like, yeah, give me the I feel

871
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 6: like a depth they can run on him and I don't.

872
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 2: And when they run on him, I don't know.

873
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 6: I think he's his quickness is good, but I don't

874
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 6: think it's I don't think it's the ability to like

875
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 6: to peddle and to turn and to go. I think

876
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 6: anything when he could play press and get hands on

877
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 6: and then try and maybe make that receiver have to

878
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,919
Speaker 6: start stop, start again, that kind kind of play into

879
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 6: a strength. You could see the separation on the end

880
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 6: cut routes and the things like that. I mean, at depth,

881
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 6: it just didn't seem like there was that explosiveness that

882
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 6: you really wanted. I mean, there's I could also see

883
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 6: being a little nervous about the speed, you know. You know,

884
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 6: we've seen him in the remember the Rams preseason game

885
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 6: where he looked very tentative playing, you know, and I

886
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 6: felt like against the Browns he was a little bit

887
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 6: more aggressive what he needed to be. And then all

888
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 6: of a sudden, you can deal with some guys that

889
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 6: can run a little bit then, But I would play

890
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 6: him as much press and just let him bang guys

891
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 6: at the line of scrimmage, bang them, run and sink

892
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 6: and go with him the huge play they had, the

893
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 6: huge the seventy yard touchdown pass. They're playing cover too,

894
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 6: And I said it, they're playing cover too, and he's

895
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 6: got a jam in sink.

896
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 2: He misses the jam. He doesn't even jam, he just sinks.

897
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 2: And now you got a free runner on those safeties.

898
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 2: And so he's got to learn. You know, your technique

899
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 2: is important. If they ask you to jam, you got

900
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 2: your jam. The defense depends on you playing it the

901
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 2: right way. But me personally, I worry about him playing

902
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 2: from some depth.

903
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 6: I know he was his zone player, but until he

904
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 6: kind of gets a good feel for it, I'd put

905
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 6: him up, let him be physical, let him try and

906
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 6: run with defenders or excu me receivers. If he gets

907
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 6: a couple of defensive holding penalties, fine their five yard penalties,

908
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 6: but learn learn along the way to on how to

909
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 6: make those plays.

910
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 4: Do you think there's a more a higher likelihood though,

911
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 4: if he's playing more press, he's going to give up

912
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 4: more big plays at the end of the day.

913
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 2: If he misses with the jams. Sure, okay, sure, But

914
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 2: to me, is.

915
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 7: That because of the speed, Because of the speed.

916
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 6: I think, to me, if depending on how much cover

917
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 6: two you play, maybe if you're one of those safeties,

918
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 6: if you're a hooker or you're Wilson, especially hooker, keep

919
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 6: an eye on the rookie side of the field, you know.

920
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 2: Keep it digs.

921
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 6: Digs you can digs, you can say, Okay, he's fine,

922
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 6: I need to think about cheating over to this guy's

923
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,439
Speaker 6: side a little bit until they kind of figure those

924
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 6: things out. Beat a couple times digs did digs from

925
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 6: depth too, running running inside, you know, and that's something

926
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 6: you did, You really were when these guys play off.

927
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 6: It's just it doesn't seem like anybody in the league

928
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 6: is covering the crossing routes anymore. Oh yeah, every time

929
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 6: I look up, somebody's hitting a big play on the

930
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 6: crossing routes. Nobody able to kind of carry outs inside.

931
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 6: And when I'm looking at corners, that's what I always

932
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 6: think about. You carry outs inside. You can play cornerback

933
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 6: for me.

934
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, it used to be a time when you could

935
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 5: defend the crossing routes by having a safety down there

936
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 5: would just break the guy in half. Yeah, you can't

937
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 5: really do that in the same way anymore. We don't

938
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 5: live in the days of Ronnie Lotton new or being

939
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 5: able to just kind of break guys up. Yea, but yeah,

940
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 5: I think my question for you guys on Kaylan do

941
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 5: you feel like he is as I as I put

942
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 5: it age appropriate. Do you feel like he is where

943
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 5: he's supposed to be at this point in his career

944
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 5: or do you think he's ahead?

945
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 2: Do you think he's behind.

946
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:04,720
Speaker 7: I think he's ahead.

947
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 4: I mean if you're looking at a fifth round pick rookie,

948
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 4: I mean you're getting what you You're getting more than

949
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 4: what you could have expected out of him when you

950
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 4: picked him an April.

951
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

952
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 7: Absolutely.

953
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 2: I don't think he's a liability at all time.

954
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 6: I mean teams have thrown the ball at him and

955
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 6: you know he's just he's got to he's got to

956
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 6: take better angles.

957
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 2: I mean, these are things he's gonna line. Yeah, these

958
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 2: are things.

959
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 6: I mean like when the game the game is a

960
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 6: fast game, it is really and when when they throw

961
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 6: a screen and you got to take an angle that

962
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 6: could have been you know, you tackle Kamara. It's a

963
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 6: it's a twelve yard game. It's not a fifty seven

964
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 6: yard touchdown if you take a better angle there. There

965
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 6: are things he's going to have to learn along the way,

966
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 6: and you know they'll be able to point it out

967
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 6: to him. Now he's doing these playing, Now he's playing.

968
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 6: I trust Al Harris to get him to where he

969
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,240
Speaker 6: needs to be, you know, in the coming weeks.

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00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 4: That seven yards seven yard, Yeah, Kendrick's just not just missing.

971
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 6: Kendrick's overrunning to play. And then Carson's angle was bad too.

972
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, we appreciate you guys.

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Speaker 5: Jones will be back tomorrow. We'll get into the Ravens

974
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 5: defense versus the Cowboys offense till then, for Nick Harris

975
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Speaker 5: and Brian brought us this, Derek Eagleson give you. This

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Speaker 5: has been the Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio.

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