Speaker 1: Hey, rain Drops. Yes, so I finally got merch. That's right.
Speaker 2: You can buy your Allegedly and my Voice mugs, T shirts,
Speaker 2: rain Drops, hoodies and T shirts all on Carlos Kingshop
Speaker 2: dot com.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: Get your hoodies, your T shirts, and your mugs all
Speaker 2: on Carlos Kingshop dot com. Welcome to Reality with the King.
Speaker 2: It's me Carlos King, the King of Reality TV and
Speaker 2: one of the most sought after executive producers in reality
Speaker 2: television with over ten years of production experience. Once a
Speaker 2: week on Reality with the King, we'll sit down with
Speaker 2: my friends across the entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality
Speaker 2: shows and revisit unforgettable moments that we are still talking
Speaker 2: and tweeting about going on. And I just happened to
Speaker 2: be in the neighborhood. Yeah, because I saw the last
Speaker 2: episode and.
Speaker 1: I wanted to let you know that you have a
Speaker 1: friend in me.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: And one thing about our relationship that I don't think
Speaker 2: a lot of people know, because I'm very private when
Speaker 2: it comes to private conversations that I have with my
Speaker 2: girls in reality television.
Speaker 1: Everyone knows this.
Speaker 2: I think by now that a lot of the black
Speaker 2: theme of reality stars. Even though white ones child, you
Speaker 2: all lean on me for advice, and I never share
Speaker 2: anything publicly because I'm here as a friend and not
Speaker 2: somebody who's trying to get anything out of you. So
Speaker 2: based on what's been happening this season, even before this season, Baby,
Speaker 2: I feel like I am the married to medicine field reporter.
Speaker 4: Baby, Baby, I'm talking my boots on the ground, on
Speaker 4: the ground maybe, honey.
Speaker 2: I feel like finally the show is getting just do.
Speaker 3: And here's the thing. First of all, I got so
Speaker 3: much to say.
Speaker 5: It's so great to see you. It's so good to
Speaker 5: see you, so good to spend some time with you.
Speaker 5: We go back, so people don't even understand how far
Speaker 5: we go back, you know, years, Yeah, And I just
Speaker 5: want to first thank you for being who you were then.
Speaker 5: And you are the exact same person to me now
Speaker 5: that you were then. Absolutely amazing, a soundboard, a person
Speaker 5: who cares. And it's funny because people would think, you know, Carlos,
Speaker 5: it's all about TV TV TV.
Speaker 3: There's such another component.
Speaker 5: Of you in terms of being a real friend, where
Speaker 5: you would say.
Speaker 3: Bron move mm hmm.
Speaker 5: Now I'm not gonna have that for you.
Speaker 3: You know, you give very good.
Speaker 5: Sound advice and even if it's not to your benefit,
Speaker 5: you know. But but here's the thing, a lot of
Speaker 5: people in production don't do that, oh I see saying,
Speaker 5: because sometimes people who are in production, they're always producing,
Speaker 5: so it's challenging to have something real with them or
Speaker 5: to have a real relationship, you know, and to sometimes
Speaker 5: trust what they're saying.
Speaker 3: I have said some things to you before and you're like, girl,
Speaker 3: that's it, but that's not you.
Speaker 5: Know, And I appreciate that, and I appreciate you you
Speaker 5: telling me even when like, well, I don't know that
Speaker 5: one you probably could have did that a little.
Speaker 2: Different than what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I truly do appreciate that. So I just
Speaker 5: want to say thank you so much and really thank
Speaker 5: you for.
Speaker 3: Coming to check on me.
Speaker 5: You text me what was that the other day? And
Speaker 5: you said, I just want to know if you're good.
Speaker 5: I'm not liking how some things I'm saying. Are you good?
Speaker 5: Don't tell me the strong cud. Are you good?
Speaker 3: And you know what I mean? Mentally? Are you good? Emotionally?
Speaker 3: Are you good?
Speaker 5: And it's tough, it's tough. Last week was really tough.
Speaker 5: Last week was really tough, and I don't want this
Speaker 5: to be a down No, I'm saying like, I don't
Speaker 5: want this to be that. I'm trying my best to
Speaker 5: not let.
Speaker 3: That take over.
Speaker 5: But I want to say just thank you for checking
Speaker 5: in on me authentically. I'm talking about authentic with no motive,
Speaker 5: with no ins, but good.
Speaker 3: I want to thank you.
Speaker 1: You're welcome. Listen, You're one of my babies. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 2: I feel like when it comes to this, Oh my gosh, Quad,
Speaker 2: what are you doing to me? I feel like when
Speaker 2: it comes to this genre of reality TV, I am
Speaker 2: somebody who takes this genre very seriously. I am here
Speaker 2: for anybody who needs me. Even if I don't know you,
Speaker 2: I'll reach Child like, Hey, I'm seeing some things.
Speaker 1: Are you gonna care? You good?
Speaker 2: You're somebody who I have always loved and I know
Speaker 2: the real Quad not saying that you don't tee me,
Speaker 2: ain'tan real you.
Speaker 1: It's all you.
Speaker 2: But we only get to see forty two minutes of
Speaker 2: a show, and we're on an ensemble show.
Speaker 6: We gotta split it up.
Speaker 1: You gotta split it up, honey.
Speaker 2: Yeah. With the coins in the pocket, Child and the
Speaker 2: piece of the pah.
Speaker 1: But you're one of my.
Speaker 2: Babies, and you and I have a close relationship because
Speaker 2: of the fact that we do see each other. You're
Speaker 2: champion for me. You have held me down some tough
Speaker 2: times too, bitch. So this this goes both ways. I've
Speaker 2: been going through a lot personally. You have been there
Speaker 2: for me. Listen. I love this show and the cast
Speaker 2: because heavenly has been there for me personally, Jackie Toya
Speaker 2: Eugene on some medical stuff with the family members I love.
Speaker 2: I love this genre and a ver protective of the
Speaker 2: people in this genre, especially the black people in this genre.
Speaker 2: If I'm being very transparently, I am sort of like
Speaker 2: this Papa Bear. So listen, we're gonna We're gonna have
Speaker 2: a good conversation because I don't think the world really
Speaker 2: understands you.
Speaker 1: I'll figure cast sometimes understands you.
Speaker 3: People don't understand me sometimes, you know.
Speaker 5: And and here's the deal, they don't get a full
Speaker 5: understanding because the full qual it's not before them.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: And I say that meaning like we just talked about Hell,
Speaker 5: we had what seven eight women and then we have
Speaker 5: what about forty five minutes, and so you're having to
Speaker 5: try to capture a piece of everyone. But I truly
Speaker 5: wish people knew how loving I am. I think sometimes
Speaker 5: that's kind of skirted over, you know, in the show,
Speaker 5: and how supportive I am and how much I care.
Speaker 5: I don't think sometimes that that is highlighted enough.
Speaker 2: What I want to highlight before we get into the
Speaker 2: season is the fact that but I am glad.
Speaker 5: Now let me say this, Baby, I am glad that
Speaker 5: miss Married to Medicine is getting her just due. Because
Speaker 5: when we came into the market, you know, franchises were
Speaker 5: already established. You know, we are a single standalone show,
Speaker 5: and you know, we had to just kind of clow
Speaker 5: our way through. And I think that, you know, ten
Speaker 5: years later, now we're finally saying, hold on, wait a minute.
Speaker 5: Ago all of these shows are great, but that one over.
Speaker 3: There, wait a minute, that's the one to watch.
Speaker 5: And so I'm really happy to be a part of it.
Speaker 3: I'm really happy to be a part of you.
Speaker 1: You should be.
Speaker 2: You should be, especially because you are a black girl
Speaker 2: from Memphis, Tennessee.
Speaker 3: Baby in town.
Speaker 1: Okay, did you know.
Speaker 2: That stardom was a part of your destiny when you
Speaker 2: was growing up?
Speaker 1: Because Baby, you have the eye and the t.
Speaker 2: You really did and you're fine, thank you.
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 1: It's real. You know, some of my camera gots gonna
Speaker 1: be bl so it's all allegedly it is. Okay, No,
Speaker 1: did you know you were a star?
Speaker 5: You know what, I've always been a person that's been
Speaker 5: full of life, full of color, full of energy, fun.
Speaker 3: It's just what I like to do.
Speaker 5: I like to have fun and I like to be
Speaker 5: the reason that someone is enjoying themselves. So that's kind
Speaker 5: of who I've been all my life. And to be
Speaker 5: a star, I think, you know, as a kid, that
Speaker 5: was not something I didn't go like, oh, you know,
Speaker 5: one day I want to be on television and I
Speaker 5: want to be That just wasn't my thing.
Speaker 3: Honestly.
Speaker 5: I grew up thinking that I was going to become
Speaker 5: a pediatrician. I was going to be married at twenty
Speaker 5: six years old with two children and a husband, and.
Speaker 1: That was the furtherest.
Speaker 3: From the truth. You know, that wasn't what God had
Speaker 3: in store for me. But I do remember one day
Speaker 3: I was in Nashville.
Speaker 5: At this time, I went to Tennessee State and graduate
Speaker 5: graduate people, can you have.
Speaker 3: To verify when right?
Speaker 5: You know what I mean I graduate from the Tennessee State.
Speaker 6: She's agreed hood, yes, yes she is.
Speaker 3: Indeed, I ain't never sweats.
Speaker 5: But I do remember where I met this woman and
Speaker 5: she was like, you would did not know this woman
Speaker 5: at all, And she said me and I can I
Speaker 5: talk to you? And I'm like, okay, sure, And she said,
Speaker 5: you would do very well in healthcare and in Hollywood.
Speaker 3: And I just knew.
Speaker 5: I said, this lady don't know. She doesn't know what
Speaker 5: the hell she's talking about. She's talking about Hollywood, baby
Speaker 5: girl child, I am a biology premier major down to
Speaker 5: the Tennessee State University.
Speaker 3: What are you talking about?
Speaker 5: Like, clearly you don't know what you're talking about, talking
Speaker 5: about Hollywood?
Speaker 3: Little did I did?
Speaker 5: I know what she said will absolutely be the path
Speaker 5: of my life. I did well in medical device, you know,
Speaker 5: jumped off the porch and got into that.
Speaker 3: I did an h CAR preback program at Maharry.
Speaker 5: I did also a Johnston and Johnson and MacNeil internship,
Speaker 5: and I think the drug at the time was concerned
Speaker 5: it was for kids with ADHD.
Speaker 3: Thoroughly enjoyed it.
Speaker 5: It was an opportunity for me to mesh my biology
Speaker 5: degree with a mind in chemistry along with the natural
Speaker 5: neck that I have for people, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: And so I was like, this is great, this is
Speaker 5: what I want to do. And it opened my eyes
Speaker 5: up to the fill medical devices. I started like with
Speaker 5: a former intern and was like, oh there's more, and
Speaker 5: sold capital equipment and I actually trained doctors in the
Speaker 5: er on certain devices.
Speaker 3: And I did very well there.
Speaker 5: And then, of course we know, years came fast forward,
Speaker 5: and then I got the opportunity to audition promire to medicine,
Speaker 5: and ten years later here we are.
Speaker 1: Was she a profit?
Speaker 3: Baby? Sout?
Speaker 2: She had now because I happily said, all my life,
Speaker 2: the life that she and I do that at the
Speaker 2: time when married to Medicine was conceptualized, she said that.
Speaker 1: You were living with Mariah.
Speaker 3: I've never lived with Maria.
Speaker 1: She said, you were a roommate.
Speaker 6: Oh, baby, no, how about that?
Speaker 7: Like his company may knock, that.
Speaker 1: Was Mariah Jed, I.
Speaker 2: Was not Christy.
Speaker 6: Christy is kind of aloof at times, you know, that
Speaker 6: was not me. But no, Heavily has.
Speaker 3: Then again reported something loud and wrong. Loud, strong and wrong. No,
Speaker 3: not at all.
Speaker 5: So Maria and I had never been roommates. She was
Speaker 5: a very dear friend of mine. In fact, I had
Speaker 5: come to know her because I used to date her cousin.
Speaker 3: We were in a very very very strong relationship, very.
Speaker 5: Heavily rooted relationship, and when I met their family, I
Speaker 5: fell in love with him.
Speaker 3: I really did. I was like, oh, my god, you.
Speaker 5: Know, Mariah is super fun, you know what I mean, Like, oh,
Speaker 5: she's my tight, you know what I mean. Like we
Speaker 5: just immediately kind of just clicked, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: And I really respected the fact that they were, you know,
Speaker 5: educated women, and they were wise, and I was like,
Speaker 5: you know what, I like that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: And so that's how Mariah and I have come to
Speaker 5: had come to know each other at that time, and
Speaker 5: then our friendship just it just it just snowballed, you know,
Speaker 5: and before you know, we we got each other so well,
Speaker 5: you know, whereas I could say something and She'll finish
Speaker 5: it just like that, or she could say something and
Speaker 5: I'll finish it just like that, and.
Speaker 6: You know, in a set of dwarms maybe you know
Speaker 6: what I mean.
Speaker 5: And it was and it was never rehearsed, It was
Speaker 5: never rehearsed.
Speaker 3: It was just us being us.
Speaker 6: That was us. What people don't know that was us on.
Speaker 5: The daily face like we wake up with it, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean, we woke up with it and
Speaker 5: just just just would have such a great time together,
Speaker 5: you know, and you know our family's meshed.
Speaker 3: It was just it just it was just like family.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: It was really that their friendship was just like a
Speaker 5: family based friendship.
Speaker 3: You know. But I used to date her cousin.
Speaker 1: Do you miss your friendship with her?
Speaker 5: You know, the fun, the fun, the phone we used
Speaker 5: to have was just it just was a good time.
Speaker 5: I'm a good time type of girl, so it just
Speaker 5: spoke to me and I enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed it.
Speaker 5: When you.
Speaker 2: Experienced what happened to you this season American Medicine, it
Speaker 2: appeared that the girls were icing you out.
Speaker 1: They didn't want you there anymore. And we'll get into
Speaker 1: that as well.
Speaker 2: But in that moment, did you feel like, huh is
Speaker 2: this what Mariah felt like?
Speaker 3: I felt like, I see now, mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Is that when.
Speaker 2: Because Mariah's a star is okay?
Speaker 3: Now, let me tell you something about ms Kawahart.
Speaker 5: I don't believe in giving you nothing, but I also
Speaker 5: don't believe in taking anything away from.
Speaker 6: So I'm not I don't give you anything. I just
Speaker 6: can't find it in me.
Speaker 3: I just can't find it in me.
Speaker 6: I can't find it in me.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 2: So when you when you are and I know this
Speaker 2: creating shows and casting people, there's there's women in mind shows,
Speaker 2: I'll be like, oh baby, that's a star.
Speaker 3: Yes, you know.
Speaker 2: Have you experienced what Mariah said on my podcast and
Speaker 2: I'm paraphrasing course, which is when you know your worth
Speaker 2: and you remind people of your worth, sometimes not in
Speaker 2: the best way, but when you know your worth and
Speaker 2: other people may know your worth.
Speaker 3: But they don't want you to know it.
Speaker 2: They don't want you to know it, and you refuse
Speaker 2: to be quiet about it. Do you sometimes feel like
Speaker 2: that that can create a situation to where you're not
Speaker 2: able to grow.
Speaker 1: And when you're not.
Speaker 2: Able to grow because you know you're worth, sometimes you're
Speaker 2: being pushed out.
Speaker 5: I think it's important for everyone to always know their worth,
Speaker 5: you know. I kind of grew up in a family
Speaker 5: where my family would just infuse you know, having a
Speaker 5: high self esteem, knowing who you are, to ask a
Speaker 5: lot of questions, to not just let a person tell
Speaker 5: you any and everything and you just go with it
Speaker 5: to be your own person, to be a visionary, to
Speaker 5: be a thinker. So that's the kind of household that
Speaker 5: I grew up in. So for me, it would be abnormal,
Speaker 5: right if I did not know my worth.
Speaker 3: It would truly to me be foreign, you know. And so.
Speaker 5: With that being said, I think sometimes people feel like
Speaker 5: you're better in that position though I know, you know,
Speaker 5: let's just talk corporate America for a second.
Speaker 3: You could be amazed.
Speaker 5: You should you should probably be on the executive level,
Speaker 5: right But if the person who you are working for
Speaker 5: sees you better and kind of a.
Speaker 3: Junior role, right.
Speaker 5: Then, because because you it behooves them to have you
Speaker 5: in that junior role, right then it might be difficult
Speaker 5: for them to elevate you to the executive role because
Speaker 5: then who are they going to get to play or
Speaker 5: who are they going to get to be in this
Speaker 5: junior role that they need and it's working for them,
Speaker 5: they you know, it makes things a lot easier for
Speaker 5: you to be in a junior role.
Speaker 3: It makes things of you know, money is being made,
Speaker 3: more money is being made for them if you're in
Speaker 3: a junior role.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean, and it just it's unfortunate.
Speaker 5: And we see that all the time. We see in
Speaker 5: corporate America people are always looked over for promotions. It's like, listen,
Speaker 5: this is what I offered the company. I made the
Speaker 5: company this amount of money. You know this year, you know,
Speaker 5: this is what I brought this, you know, this huge
Speaker 5: book of business. You know, I brought this account and
Speaker 5: this account and they closed on that account and this.
Speaker 3: Is how much they made.
Speaker 5: And I, you know, was waiting for that promotion, and
Speaker 5: I was looked over. And it happens every day in
Speaker 5: corporate America because that's where I come from. So I
Speaker 5: will always encourage people to know their worth and know
Speaker 5: what you bring to the tape.
Speaker 2: When you were going through what you were going through,
Speaker 2: and you saw Mariah.
Speaker 1: Go through what she went through.
Speaker 2: Obviously she created the show, right, she still gets a
Speaker 2: constant by credit to this day.
Speaker 1: You saw some things that happened.
Speaker 2: Behind the scenes, right, that is obviously at your discretion.
Speaker 1: But when you look at your.
Speaker 2: Experience these past couple of months taping this season American Medicine,
Speaker 2: and you felt like, hmm, I now see what she.
Speaker 1: Was talking about. Do you feel like.
Speaker 2: You were a part of that ecosystem that pushed Maria
Speaker 2: out of her own show.
Speaker 5: Well, I would never want to push anyone anywhere, you know,
Speaker 5: but to greatness?
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 5: I think sometimes we have to do a self reflection,
Speaker 5: you know. I just could remember one time Mariah saying,
Speaker 5: y'all not married to medicine. Y'all married to Mariah.
Speaker 3: And that was hertful. That was hertful.
Speaker 5: And I'm your friend and I got your back, and
Speaker 5: we're gonna go to the long ways. That was my
Speaker 5: heart posture, and that's what my mentality was at that time.
Speaker 3: And so to hear.
Speaker 5: Her say things like that, it was more like, wait
Speaker 5: a minute, now, we're doing this together.
Speaker 3: What do you mean when you say that?
Speaker 5: And how am I supposed to feel when you say
Speaker 5: things like that?
Speaker 1: You were arguably the breakout star American medicine.
Speaker 3: Oh, child, child, don't baby, don't say that.
Speaker 5: Out that right there alone, that is so loaded, that
Speaker 5: is automatically walking down like that's like putting on a
Speaker 5: vest with like ten thousand targets on you, like bullseyes,
Speaker 5: and you just ready to people are just ready or
Speaker 5: done you now?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Is that Let's have a conversation happen. And this is
Speaker 2: coming from the King of reality television.
Speaker 3: Let's happen.
Speaker 2: Every single ensemble show has a breakout star. Every single
Speaker 2: reality show has a breakout stark. Okay, I want everyone
Speaker 2: to know that, because we're gonna have a real conversation.
Speaker 2: Desney Child had Beyonce, Yes, the Jacksons have Michael Chicago
Speaker 2: Bulls had Michael Jordan's.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about it.
Speaker 2: I don't think there's anything wrong with giving someone their
Speaker 2: props in terms of saying you the breakop, bitch, and
Speaker 2: guess what good for you. Let's let's all support each
Speaker 2: other because at the same time, there will be no
Speaker 2: Beyonce without Desney Child, there will be no Michael Jackson
Speaker 2: Malthael Jackson's, and there will be no Michael Jordans well
Speaker 2: Scottie Pippen. So no one can't do it on their own.
Speaker 2: And I'm saying this loving the show, being a fan
Speaker 2: of it, and but I'm real.
Speaker 1: You were arguably the.
Speaker 2: Breakout star of Mariti Medicine, and instantly, this brownskin black
Speaker 2: girl from Memphis, Tennessee, who was in pre biology, pre
Speaker 2: mad all those things right, never desired to be in
Speaker 2: front of the camera. Wasn't thinking about it. Your best
Speaker 2: friend created this show, bitch, I'm gonna put you on.
Speaker 1: Okay, girl, let's do it.
Speaker 3: And I was, And you know, my.
Speaker 5: Thought process with that at the time was that we
Speaker 5: was gonna ride it.
Speaker 3: All the way, like Laverne and Shirley, maybe like Laverne.
Speaker 5: And Shirley get into it a fall face first. We
Speaker 5: were going to go the entire way. And my ideology
Speaker 5: of thinking was there will be some doors that she
Speaker 5: would open, and I will walk through them with her.
Speaker 2: Why did it still get your emotion though after all
Speaker 2: these years when you.
Speaker 5: And there would be some doors that I would walk
Speaker 5: through that, I'd be like, baby, come on, baby, I
Speaker 5: had two thirty Baby, I got this door over here
Speaker 5: is open.
Speaker 3: Let's go, girl, put your shoes on. We gotta get there.
Speaker 3: And that's what I was always thinking.
Speaker 5: I thought that that would be our whole entire existence
Speaker 5: in television.
Speaker 3: I truly believed it.
Speaker 5: I believed it would everything in me. You couldn't have
Speaker 5: told me anything different. That's how much I wanted to
Speaker 5: share this experience with her. I did, and then things shifted.
Speaker 5: Things shifted. It's kind of like, you know, that whole
Speaker 5: thing you know, arguably the breakout star. Andy Cohen said,
Speaker 5: you know, I'm obsessed with her, and you know me
Speaker 5: at that time, I'm not knowing, you know, really standing
Speaker 5: how TV works and what truly did that mean to
Speaker 5: hear people say that, right, I'm not really understanding.
Speaker 3: I'm like, Okay, I glad I made a good impression,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: But it just was it stopped there for me, you know,
Speaker 5: because I didn't have the full concept of what was
Speaker 5: about to happen. But she did and other people did too,
Speaker 5: And I think at that very moment that's when things
Speaker 5: shifted in our relationship.
Speaker 1: Do you think Mariah was jealous of your success?
Speaker 5: I think she felt like this is her baby and
Speaker 5: she deserved to be in that position. How dare they
Speaker 5: say that about someone else, and especially at being.
Speaker 2: Quip you being labeled to break our star. You're the
Speaker 2: first person I've ever said that too, that didn't say,
Speaker 2: of course, I was bitch, because a lot of women
Speaker 2: who are the breakout star. I said it to me
Speaker 2: E Leaks, for example, She's like a bitch, duh, right, Like,
Speaker 2: of course was good. When I say that to some girls,
Speaker 2: they're like, yeah, bitch, duh. I know that you're the
Speaker 2: first person I've ever spoken to that when I said
Speaker 2: you were the breakout star, you got uncomfortable, as if
Speaker 2: you are suffering through PTSD from what that label means
Speaker 2: to you, because you I don't want put words in
Speaker 2: your mouth, but when I'm gathering from your energy is
Speaker 2: being called the breakout star makes you uncomfortable because you
Speaker 2: probably were never celebrated. Hearing that being called the breakout
Speaker 2: star apparently has brought you turmoil, losing your best friend,
Speaker 2: possible jealousy, possible envy. Why am I on the money
Speaker 2: with that one? You don't You don't seem to like
Speaker 2: receive that.
Speaker 5: You're on the right track. It's a lot to carry.
Speaker 5: There are certain things that are expected of you that
Speaker 5: is not expected of others. There are certain things that
Speaker 5: certain people can completely get away with, and you just cannot.
Speaker 5: Everything you do is held to a higher standard.
Speaker 3: You are not given the same grace.
Speaker 5: You are expected to carry yourself in a certain way. Uh,
Speaker 5: And you are under heavy scrutiny with that title.
Speaker 1: Was that title weaponized?
Speaker 5: Of course, nothing that I just said was good about.
Speaker 5: Nothing that I said it was good about it, at
Speaker 5: least from my experience. You know, maybe Nini had a
Speaker 5: different type of experience, and some others may have had
Speaker 5: a different type of experience, but for me, it has
Speaker 5: completely just made me.
Speaker 3: It's been painful at times for me.
Speaker 1: What we saw throughout the course of the season was
Speaker 1: you becoming this star.
Speaker 2: And this is somebody who did season one of Atlanta
Speaker 2: Housewives and I told Nini to her face, bit, you're
Speaker 2: a star before we wrapped production. This is two thousand
Speaker 2: and eight, before the show of me air, I said,
Speaker 2: you're a star and you're going to be major. I
Speaker 2: did Season one of Jersey Housewives. I told Teresa judaies, bitch,
Speaker 2: you put that table. After she did that, I said,
Speaker 2: you're a star. You're gonna be the biggest star on
Speaker 2: this show. I know a star when I see one,
Speaker 2: and when it comes to you. We saw that that
Speaker 2: you've had Sister Circle. You were signed by the biggest
Speaker 2: agency in the world, one of the biggest agencies, CAAA.
Speaker 2: You've had so many opportunities that were given to you,
Speaker 2: similarly to a lead singer of a female girl group
Speaker 2: who starts to experience things outside of the collective, Right,
Speaker 2: did you get a big hit though? When you started
Speaker 2: to receive these compliments because one thing I have seen,
Speaker 2: I have seen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, women say I'm gonna start of the show, bitch,
Speaker 1: this is my motherfucking show. Ho I'll get them when I.
Speaker 2: Get there, y'all. Ain't on me, honey, please, She'll come
Speaker 2: when she comes. Heavenly has alluded to some of that
Speaker 2: happening with you, that you felt like you were better
Speaker 2: than these girls.
Speaker 1: Is that the case?
Speaker 5: Did I ever say that I was better than anyone verbally?
Speaker 5: I've never said that I'm better than anyone in fact.
Speaker 5: In fact, I came in this as the complete underdog
Speaker 5: of the.
Speaker 3: Entire show, you know, and that also.
Speaker 5: Lended to, you know, the thought process of what people
Speaker 5: perceived me to be right I had. I could go
Speaker 5: back to episode season one. I remember my father was
Speaker 5: still living at the time, and he questioned mem Mariah's
Speaker 5: friendship and I was upset by it.
Speaker 3: I'm like, how dare you question her friendship? What do
Speaker 3: you mean?
Speaker 5: He said, are you sure that she's your friend? And
Speaker 5: I said, of course she is. What's going on with you?
Speaker 3: You know her? You know what's going on.
Speaker 5: And he said, you need to go back and watch
Speaker 5: that episode. You need to go back and watch and
Speaker 5: pay attention to the season, and I do remember there
Speaker 5: was something that stuck out to me and it kind
Speaker 5: of played me like was low, like I was nothing
Speaker 5: in a sense, like I was this charity case. I
Speaker 5: remember the words was like, oh, you know, she just
Speaker 5: don't know, she doesn't know how to be a doctor's wife,
Speaker 5: you know, like she just has to you know, we
Speaker 5: need to mold her. And you know, along those lines
Speaker 5: as if there was no I had no couth and
Speaker 5: I was not polished, and I was, you know, not
Speaker 5: well spoken, and that's my vernacular, has always been my vernacular.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you why. I'm from Memphis, right.
Speaker 5: I don't know if you've ever been down there, but
Speaker 5: and I went to Tennessee State University, and I remember
Speaker 5: people would make fun of us, you know, like, oh,
Speaker 5: you know girls from Memphis, and y'all talk like her
Speaker 5: their street BurrH, you know, and I'm like, I didn't
Speaker 5: like it. I didn't like it one bit. And I said,
Speaker 5: at that very moment, I think I was It could
Speaker 5: have been during the summer and I was went through
Speaker 5: orientation or something, and that just was kind of like
Speaker 5: the running thing, you know, and I was like, you're
Speaker 5: not gonna view Memphis like that.
Speaker 3: I didn't like it.
Speaker 5: And from that moment when I got into my dorm
Speaker 5: room and the young ladies that came in with me
Speaker 5: from Memphis, I was like, listen, we're.
Speaker 3: Hanging out anyway. You know, we're on the fifth floor.
Speaker 5: I stayed on the sixth at that time, and we
Speaker 5: would go downstairs. I had a couple of friends from Memphis.
Speaker 5: Was a gang of us that would hang out, and
Speaker 5: I said, we spent a lot of time watching me
Speaker 5: see the Cedars world and all of this.
Speaker 3: Let's get the dictionary out.
Speaker 5: Let's read this dictionary from cover to cover, understanding the
Speaker 5: contexts properly, how to say the word, and let's show
Speaker 5: a different face to Memphis. We started strong. Of course,
Speaker 5: you know, through the years or whatever, some of the
Speaker 5: women fell out, some of the girls fell out, but
Speaker 5: I stuck with it, and for me, it meant something.
Speaker 5: I didn't want people to look at my city like that,
Speaker 5: and I didn't want to be viewed like that. Right,
Speaker 5: So when I heard things like she doesn't know how
Speaker 5: to be a doctor's wife, and so forth and so on,
Speaker 5: and saying that to the other girls, knowing that she
Speaker 5: was my best friend.
Speaker 3: These girls didn't know me, you know, like at that time,
Speaker 3: it was.
Speaker 5: They heavily had not come on board, just came on
Speaker 5: board the second season. But the others didn't know me
Speaker 5: from Adam's House Cat or a whole in a while, right,
Speaker 5: But they knew her, and they knew how close we were.
Speaker 5: And for her to say something like that, or for
Speaker 5: them to hear her say something like that, it kind
Speaker 5: of almost put me kind.
Speaker 2: Of here beneath them, Yes, and to rise above that,
Speaker 2: because look, I've had situations where I had to boss
Speaker 2: up some time and say, no, I am the king
Speaker 2: of reality, teav When you're talking about that, I am
Speaker 2: that boy. Please we all go through that, and I
Speaker 2: want to. I want to have an honest conversation because
Speaker 2: I think it helps people understand things. Would you say
Speaker 2: things like that the people I am a star bede
Speaker 2: what you're talking about, I.
Speaker 5: Used to have on my page, by the way, married
Speaker 5: to Medicine or star of Married to Medicine, literally like
Speaker 5: it was on my Instagram.
Speaker 3: Baby scrub Scrub Scrub is not there anymore, you know.
Speaker 5: And I made that determination at decision some time ago.
Speaker 5: And for me to say that I was a star
Speaker 5: married to medicine, a star of the star of married
Speaker 5: to medicine didn't mean that others were not.
Speaker 3: It did not.
Speaker 5: I'm not taking anything away from you all. I'm just
Speaker 5: saying what I am.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 5: And if you say heavily says all the time, she's
Speaker 5: the smartest person in the room, hally doesn't take my
Speaker 5: intellect away.
Speaker 3: It doesn't. I don't feel that.
Speaker 5: I don't feel that her saying that she's saying that
Speaker 5: she's the smartest person in the room takes anything away
Speaker 5: from me.
Speaker 3: Is she smart? It she is doesn't mean that I'm done.
Speaker 1: So for you.
Speaker 2: What I'm gathering to is, because you felt like you
Speaker 2: were being pushed down, you had to work to build
Speaker 2: yourself up.
Speaker 5: Started from the bottom. Started from the bottom, and Drake said,
Speaker 5: started from the bottom. Now I'm here, started from the bottom.
Speaker 5: And it was a clawing to the top with that,
Speaker 5: because well, we don't know it, but if our best
Speaker 5: friends say this the hell that's what it's what it is,
Speaker 5: then we believe that, and that's how we're gonna view her.
Speaker 3: Until I had to.
Speaker 5: Cognitively break out of that and show people who I
Speaker 5: really am. You know, I'm always been a very quick
Speaker 5: witted person, very very very sharp with my tongue in
Speaker 5: terms of knowing how to speak, that had never had
Speaker 5: a problem with public speaking in my life ever, ever,
Speaker 5: and so and always been a very domestic person, you know,
Speaker 5: very cleanly person, a person who is you know, cultured.
Speaker 3: But when I go back to.
Speaker 5: Season one, that's not how a person would perceive me
Speaker 5: at all.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 5: I do remember being at event or something that they
Speaker 5: were throwing, and I remember Carrie and Toya was kind
Speaker 5: of coming at me about, you know, how could I
Speaker 5: marry someone that would call off the wedding? And you know,
Speaker 5: I went through that too, And then there was some
Speaker 5: things that was transpiring earlier on.
Speaker 3: Prior to the wedding.
Speaker 5: And you know, and I just remember feeling that and
Speaker 5: I didn't I didn't understand that right because it was
Speaker 5: just like a couple of days prior work. We were
Speaker 5: all having lunch and having a good time. So I
Speaker 5: really didn't understand. Now the red dot is on and
Speaker 5: you all are coming to me like this, You're confronting me,
Speaker 5: You're waiting for me to walk through the door. I
Speaker 5: come through the door with gifts in toe and just
Speaker 5: to have a good time, and I'm not knowing, Oh
Speaker 5: she's a targeting So when you see Quad hit the door,
Speaker 5: y'all go at her and they began to question me
Speaker 5: about so it was carrying, I think toy at the time,
Speaker 5: and I just remember not understanding TV and I was
Speaker 5: just like.
Speaker 3: Don't monk, don't God damn line.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like I didn't. I didn't get it. I didn't get it.
Speaker 3: And I was very raw at that time.
Speaker 2: Did you appearing on Sister Circle forever change the dynamic
Speaker 2: of your relationship with the cast? You know?
Speaker 5: That's interesting? And in the episode that we've just seen
Speaker 5: that just aired, I think it was Jackie who said,
Speaker 5: you know, I can remember when when she was on
Speaker 5: Sister Circle, and you know what, does she say something
Speaker 5: about me being on Sister Circle or with my Sister
Speaker 5: Circle friends. I'm paraphrased because I can't remember, but I
Speaker 5: remember that it was Jackie who was going back and
Speaker 5: oh she said maybe she was she felt hurt or
Speaker 5: something or they felt hurt or something when I was
Speaker 5: a part of Sister Circle, when Sister Circle was you know,
Speaker 5: on air, and I'm just looking at that like, how
Speaker 5: sold Jackie, Because you guys are my group of a
Speaker 5: group of friends of mine. These women are a group
Speaker 5: of friends of mine. Why can't I not have two, three, four,
Speaker 5: or five six groups of.
Speaker 3: Friends at that time in my life.
Speaker 5: The girls that were a part of Sister Circle, they
Speaker 5: were more tender and soft and understanding and showed a
Speaker 5: lots more of compassion for what I was going through.
Speaker 5: During that time, my marriage had began to unravel. Things
Speaker 5: were not good at home, and some of the girls
Speaker 5: knew what was going what I was going through, they
Speaker 5: didn't know to what magnitude. Of course, at that time,
Speaker 5: I'm emotionally trying to gather myself. I'm mentally trying to
Speaker 5: make the right decision for my happiness and for my future.
Speaker 3: But I was still loved my husband at the time.
Speaker 5: And so there were things that had transpired that if
Speaker 5: I would have verbally said them, I was afraid that
Speaker 5: it would harm him in his career, and it did
Speaker 5: not present itself at that time to be a safe space.
Speaker 3: Both shows were different.
Speaker 5: Sister Circle was about, you know, empowering, encouraging, motivating, educating,
Speaker 5: and we do see some of that also on marriage
Speaker 5: to medicine. But it's all about conflict resolve. Conflict resolve,
Speaker 5: and when you are feeling like it's not a safe
Speaker 5: space to say certain things that you refrain from saying,
Speaker 5: you just refrain from saying them. And that's kind of
Speaker 5: how that shook out. I did not feel when Jackie
Speaker 5: went through what she went through with Curtis. I felt
Speaker 5: like everyone rallied around her, supported her. When Jackie said
Speaker 5: that she was done talking about it, it was done,
Speaker 5: it was over, was through, and I even respected that.
Speaker 5: Right when Cesa and Simone we're going through what they
Speaker 5: were going through, we saw that at one of the reunions,
Speaker 5: we all rallied around them, right.
Speaker 3: But I wasn't extended that.
Speaker 5: I wasn't extended that type of compassion and empathy and care.
Speaker 5: I had to go and get that from my girls
Speaker 5: at Sister Circle. Did not mean that I did not
Speaker 5: like my friends, you know, within the Married to Medicine group.
Speaker 5: Didn't mean that I did not like them or against
Speaker 5: them or anything.
Speaker 3: I had to go where I felt like I was
Speaker 3: most supported.
Speaker 5: And it's not saying that some of the girls on
Speaker 5: Marria to Medicine didn't have an inkling of understanding as
Speaker 5: to what I was going through.
Speaker 3: I think there was a time where.
Speaker 5: Andy Cohen and I think it was one season where
Speaker 5: Gregory and I.
Speaker 3: Had sat on the stage of and with Andy Cohen.
Speaker 5: It was doing the reunion, and remember there were a
Speaker 5: group of women and who came out. I think it
Speaker 5: was probably Toya and Mariah at the time, and maybe Simone.
Speaker 3: And I'm not sure if Simone.
Speaker 5: Said this or not or agreed with this or not,
Speaker 5: but because there was so many moving pieces, but I
Speaker 5: do remember where Andy Cohen had said, well, you know
Speaker 5: the next segments like, well, what do you guys think
Speaker 5: about what you guys heard behind stage?
Speaker 3: You know that he said that he hit.
Speaker 5: Her, And I just remember, you know, the voices saying
Speaker 5: he didn't say he said he hit her.
Speaker 3: That's not what he said. You can't say he hit her.
Speaker 6: He's a doctor.
Speaker 3: You can't say that. What do you say? He didn't
Speaker 3: say that?
Speaker 5: And he literally had to get into a banter with
Speaker 5: them and said, I'm telling you he said it.
Speaker 3: He said it in front of me, and I was just.
Speaker 5: Like, WHOA, these girls hate me so much that they
Speaker 5: can't even support me, and they're not even believing what
Speaker 5: is being said, and I'm telling them that it happened,
Speaker 5: and I'm telling them that it was said, and it
Speaker 5: takes Andy Cohn to put a stamp on it. They
Speaker 5: gave me that much that they couldn't even hear it
Speaker 5: from me because Andy Cohen and I was both saying no,
Speaker 5: he said it, and they hated it appeared to me
Speaker 5: or I felt like they hated me so much that
Speaker 5: they couldn't even hear it from me. It was Andy
Speaker 5: Cohen who made it real for them, and that was difficult.
Speaker 3: That hurts.
Speaker 2: So you're in this environment where you don't feel supportive,
Speaker 2: you don't feel like it's a safe space for you
Speaker 2: to truly give one hundred percent of yourself to them,
Speaker 2: because they never provided the window of opportunities of opening like, no,
Speaker 2: come to us, We want to be here for you,
Speaker 2: the way you saw that with Simon and with the
Speaker 2: way you saw that with Jackie.
Speaker 1: When it comes to the medical community. Because you're not go.
Speaker 5: Ahad, I had to interrupt, But I do want to
Speaker 5: add this before we move on.
Speaker 3: I don't want to lose my train of thought.
Speaker 5: And and and I don't know how there in the
Speaker 5: in the scene in the episode they flashed back to
Speaker 5: I think it was my book launch and I had
Speaker 5: an all white party.
Speaker 3: It was like a birthday slash book.
Speaker 5: Launch and all white party, and they flashed back to
Speaker 5: me saying, you know, I was going to give.
Speaker 3: Up on women.
Speaker 5: And then Sister Circle came into my life. I really
Speaker 5: felt that way.
Speaker 3: I had a lot going on.
Speaker 5: I had, you know, other friends, you know that are
Speaker 5: not on the show who just didn't understand. I had
Speaker 5: the pressures of what was going on with my relationships
Speaker 5: with some of the girls within the Marriti Medicine group
Speaker 5: of friends. And then you know, there was Circle. But
Speaker 5: slightly after I gave the girls of Sister Circle their flowers,
Speaker 5: I turned to give my girls from Married to Medicine
Speaker 5: some love and to acknowledge them as well. And I
Speaker 5: looked around and looked around, and it was already understood.
Speaker 5: It's kind of like they had a perception. They couldn't
Speaker 5: even give me the time or the patience to get
Speaker 5: to them to say the things that I also wanted
Speaker 5: to say about them, which was also saluting some of them,
Speaker 5: which was also paying homage to some of them in
Speaker 5: highlighting who they were to me in my life, not
Speaker 5: all of them have been poor to me, maybe at
Speaker 5: different times.
Speaker 3: Or hell, they could say the same about me, you know,
Speaker 3: so they just didn't.
Speaker 5: It was kind of like it was already etched in
Speaker 5: their mind that, oh, she spoke about sister circle, so
Speaker 5: she's about to she she's about to upstage us and
Speaker 5: say something negative about us, or she's let's go before
Speaker 5: she says it. And I looked around the room desperately
Speaker 5: because I wanted them to hear how much I care
Speaker 5: for them too. By that time, Toya and I think
Speaker 5: it was some all they had left.
Speaker 3: I didn't.
Speaker 5: They never even got an opportunity to hear what I
Speaker 5: was about to say, because it was already.
Speaker 3: In their head, like.
Speaker 5: She's given them accolades, but she's not gonna give it
Speaker 5: to us. They didn't give me the time. They didn't
Speaker 5: give me the patience to even to even just wait
Speaker 5: one moment. You're up next. I know who you are.
Speaker 5: You all are to me. It ain't It hadn't always
Speaker 5: been all bad. It hadn't always been all bad. So
Speaker 5: I'm tapping in from the times when it was good.
Speaker 5: You guys are we've been We've had some great times together,
Speaker 5: and we have some deep rooted relationships, and you guys
Speaker 5: have helped me get through some other things. I see you,
Speaker 5: I see you. They didn't give me an opportunity to
Speaker 5: tell them, I see they left.
Speaker 1: So what what? What?
Speaker 8: So?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: What is it? Is it the fact that in the
Speaker 2: doctor's community, is it cliquish? Is it that if not
Speaker 2: a part of this very exclusive circle, whether you're you're
Speaker 2: in the group by proxy being married to one of us, Okay,
Speaker 2: if you're out of that club courtesy of divorce, Is
Speaker 2: it that we're always gonna ribe with the medical professionals?
Speaker 3: No, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 5: It's definitely not that the medical community is a tight
Speaker 5: knit community, you know, especially when we talk about, uh,
Speaker 5: the African American component of it. It's even smaller than
Speaker 5: the masses. Of course we are the minority. But it
Speaker 5: is not saying, oh, well, you know, because you're not
Speaker 5: a doctor or you're not affiliated with a medical community,
Speaker 5: then you know, I, as a doctor, I can't talk
Speaker 5: to you mm hmm. You're neurologists. Neurologists, you know, anesty geologists,
Speaker 5: nurse and aesthetists.
Speaker 6: I mean what.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: It's definitely not that, it's not that listen, all of
Speaker 5: the girls of Mariti Medicine have outside friends. They have
Speaker 5: friends who are nowhere near the medical community. They have
Speaker 5: some friends who are not even you know, who don't
Speaker 5: even have to work. They've been very fortunate to have
Speaker 5: beautiful husbands, amazing husbands who will keep them together and
Speaker 5: keep them kept. And they ain't made at that either,
Speaker 5: you know, So you don't have to be. I don't
Speaker 5: want to give the perception into people that, you know,
Speaker 5: doctor Simone doesn't have friends who are not doctors or
Speaker 5: not in the medical community, or doctor Jackie doesn't have
Speaker 5: friends who are not in the medical community.
Speaker 3: And the same with the heavenly It's not true.
Speaker 5: You befriend people who you have commonalities with, who you
Speaker 5: connect with, and who you feel like, you know, I
Speaker 5: like this person. I want to have a long lasting
Speaker 5: relationship with this person.
Speaker 3: They're human. Their occupation is the occupation, you know. And
Speaker 3: that's another thing.
Speaker 5: I think one time I posted something about sometimes in
Speaker 5: our country people feel like, oh, you know, they're doctors,
Speaker 5: so they're perfect. No, the doctor is the title. Let's
Speaker 5: see what's the character of the person, the individual.
Speaker 1: Well, that's why we love it show so much.
Speaker 2: Because it shows the flawedness of just everyday people.
Speaker 3: Ball.
Speaker 2: You have been accused of not keeping in touch with
Speaker 2: your cast mates off season that when the shows wrapped,
Speaker 2: Quad is out allegedly hanging out in Africa trying to
Speaker 2: meet men, going to Kenya just to snag a husband.
Speaker 3: Can you I cannot just put you on pause for
Speaker 3: it's like like to go get my past.
Speaker 6: Boy?
Speaker 2: How many stamped me out of this pass by this Quad?
Speaker 2: Oh lord, honey calling her booty in the pass for honey.
Speaker 3: G globble entry.
Speaker 6: No, but wait a minute. Even before that, I just had.
Speaker 3: A pink parse okay, per man.
Speaker 5: But but I do He's so silly.
Speaker 3: I'm so over here, But I do want to say
Speaker 3: something just I was thinking of this as I was
Speaker 3: walking together the pass word okay.
Speaker 6: You know, people say, oh, well, she was like this was.
Speaker 5: When Sister Sir was on air and when she had
Speaker 5: Sisters Circle and Sister Circle. What I do want people
Speaker 5: to understand is I shared that platform with my friends
Speaker 5: of Mary to Medicine. I shared that platform with doctor Jackie,
Speaker 5: Doctor Heavenly, and Contessa. Doctor Heavenly, Doctor Jackie and Contessa
Speaker 5: could come on that show as much as they wanted to.
Speaker 5: We did a whole lot of cross pollination when it
Speaker 5: came down to filming both shows.
Speaker 3: It was great for everyone. So I when people say, oh, well,
Speaker 3: you know, she just.
Speaker 5: Cut them off, and you know, she thought she was
Speaker 5: all that and she didn't, you know, share anything. I
Speaker 5: shared my platform with them, you know, if they I
Speaker 5: think one time we had Jackie on the show and
Speaker 5: she talked about her fifty Shades of Pink shouts out
Speaker 5: to the fifty Shades.
Speaker 3: Of Pink, a charity, I mean foundation.
Speaker 5: Another time we had Doctor Heavenly there and she was
Speaker 5: talking about doing a dental makeover and we had contested
Speaker 5: there talking about I think.
Speaker 3: Opening up a new practice or something.
Speaker 5: So I had always at the time shared that with
Speaker 5: him with the people who were my friend my friends
Speaker 5: with my friends at that time. Uh, doctor Simone and
Speaker 5: I were not on the same page, or else I
Speaker 5: would have shared.
Speaker 3: It with her too, you know, I don't see why not,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 5: And if Toya and I had been on the same page,
Speaker 5: and if we were in a good place, I would
Speaker 5: have shared it with her too. It takes nothing away
Speaker 5: from me to see someone else win, nothing, nothing at all.
Speaker 5: So I just really want to make that abundantly clear
Speaker 5: to people, because there's always like there's married to medicine
Speaker 5: and then there's sister's circle.
Speaker 3: I am for who's for me? And if you're good
Speaker 3: to me, I'm even better to you.
Speaker 1: Are the Nigeria's good to you?
Speaker 7: Wait?
Speaker 3: Your thing?
Speaker 6: I don't know the people said that I was.
Speaker 2: I went down to Emily said you were a Kenya.
Speaker 1: You hang out with some of.
Speaker 2: Those housewives and these reality stars and you y'all go
Speaker 2: to Africa to meet men.
Speaker 3: Why would she say that? And she's saying Kenya, baby.
Speaker 5: I let me see if I can go through here
Speaker 5: and see if there's any page.
Speaker 2: What about Bama?
Speaker 5: Now say not all the part of Kenya that I've ever.
Speaker 3: Heard of was Nairobi and that was the hair Movese.
Speaker 6: So I don't have a step, but I do.
Speaker 3: I would love to go to Kenya.
Speaker 6: I don't have not have a step.
Speaker 3: In there at all. That says nothing about Kenya.
Speaker 6: I want to go, maybe heavily, and I should go.
Speaker 2: Why not?
Speaker 1: What? What what is she gonna do there?
Speaker 3: Well? She might want to say, she might want she
Speaker 3: may want to go into Safari.
Speaker 7: The girls night like the little see it the little.
Speaker 3: Draff alone neck giraffe or something. I don't know.
Speaker 5: I don't know what do you mean a giraffe?
Speaker 2: Wait? How long are the Nigerians in.
Speaker 1: The giraffes?
Speaker 2: Long?
Speaker 3: I don't know anything about a giraffe in Nigeria. I've
Speaker 3: never been to Nigeria actually.
Speaker 8: So what is this thing about you going to Africa
Speaker 8: with the housewives?
Speaker 5: First of all, the people just say whatever they want
Speaker 5: to say, and because they said loud, strong or wrong,
Speaker 5: and the people be like, oh no, I actually do
Speaker 5: for holiday, I do go to Ghana. I love Ghana,
Speaker 5: absolutely amazing place.
Speaker 3: But listen, I'm over there.
Speaker 5: I would like the second lady of the country, like
Speaker 5: the second lady of the come.
Speaker 3: That means, so they have the present and then they
Speaker 3: have the vice president.
Speaker 5: Well, they have the first lady and what they call
Speaker 5: over there's the second lady that is the vice president's wife.
Speaker 3: She's the second lady.
Speaker 5: And I was a bit confused, you know when I
Speaker 5: first happed here, because I was like, well, wait minute,
Speaker 5: could he have two wives?
Speaker 6: Does the president have two wives?
Speaker 3: He has a first and a second lady? I was like, baby,
Speaker 3: oh my god, but.
Speaker 5: That's not what it is, Okay, you know, so I'm
Speaker 5: good friends there, got great friends within the President's office there,
Speaker 5: and it's just amazing to me the things that come
Speaker 5: out of Healy's mouth. I'm like, I'm over there with
Speaker 5: you know, badass Boza. You know, Bosa is like you know,
Speaker 5: like she's one of the best amazing people you can
Speaker 5: ever meet, hands down, I mean a marketing genius.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, so happily, how do we get marketing genius?
Speaker 5: You know the second wife of the or the vice
Speaker 5: president's wife, and you know the deputy in the president's office.
Speaker 3: To she going to kiya and sleeping with me or
Speaker 3: try to find a man.
Speaker 5: That don't sound right, that's not true.
Speaker 6: You keep saying this about me.
Speaker 2: So there's no africay, no, okay.
Speaker 6: Not at all.
Speaker 3: And in terms of who I go, listen, I have
Speaker 3: friends everywhere. I really do.
Speaker 5: Yes, She's right by saying, oh she hangs with the housewives,
Speaker 5: I do.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 3: There's some of those girls of some good, really good
Speaker 3: friends of mine.
Speaker 5: Drusidor or hit me up today and just sends so
Speaker 5: much love to me, Like sis, I love you so
Speaker 5: much and I want you to know that you know
Speaker 5: Portia has called me and was like, sins, this is
Speaker 5: this is gonna pass.
Speaker 3: But you know who you are. Don't lose who you are,
Speaker 3: you know, and just so much love.
Speaker 5: I have friends everywhere, but they're not the only people
Speaker 5: who have called me. I've had friends back from Memphis
Speaker 5: ten who've called me. Friends you know in Detroit who's
Speaker 5: called me? You know, friends are friends to me. I'm
Speaker 5: not clocking if are you on TV? Or you know
Speaker 5: who are you?
Speaker 3: That's not me? You know, I just love what I love.
Speaker 5: I enjoy the people who enjoy me, who bring lefter
Speaker 5: into my life and who bring brings happiness into my life.
Speaker 5: And you know who's not trying to judge me, you know?
Speaker 5: And so I I what's wrong? And Yandy is a
Speaker 5: very good friend. Fact, Yandy and I go to Guana.
Speaker 3: All the time. But you know it's like sometimes the
Speaker 3: kids are with us and man, DC's is with us.
Speaker 6: And you know what I meant, I don't understand.
Speaker 3: Why did she say those things? I'm like, hey, what's
Speaker 3: wrong with you? Why are you saying these things? And
Speaker 3: the shit you're saying is not even true?
Speaker 6: What's wrong? What is it?
Speaker 3: Hev?
Speaker 5: Because I don't get it. Am I not allowed to
Speaker 5: have other friends?
Speaker 2: That's what it seems like, because they made a lot
Speaker 2: of things that transpired this season. Is the fact that
Speaker 2: they're saying, when you guys stop filming, you don't keep
Speaker 2: in contact with any of the girls.
Speaker 3: That's not true. That's an untrue statement.
Speaker 5: When we are not filming, I am in contact with
Speaker 5: those who want to be in contact with me. I
Speaker 5: believe that a relationship is not one sided.
Speaker 3: It's reciprocal. And that's what I believe. But just because I.
Speaker 5: Don't hear from them, I'm not, you know, nailing them
Speaker 5: to the cross.
Speaker 3: I figure, you know.
Speaker 5: They're busy, they are creating new businesses. You know, they
Speaker 5: may be traveling themselves. It's an opportunity for them to
Speaker 5: spend some time with their family, you know.
Speaker 3: And so I don't really get Oh, well, she didn't
Speaker 3: call us. Did you call me? Did you call me?
Speaker 5: Did you one time even think to pick up the
Speaker 5: phone and call me? If you saw my Instagram, then hey,
Speaker 5: maybe that made you think of me.
Speaker 3: Why didn't you call me?
Speaker 2: Because so off season you keep in touch with who
Speaker 2: heavenly heavenly.
Speaker 3: Jackie, are you talking about now? In the past. Are
Speaker 3: we talking about, Yeah.
Speaker 2: In the past, because they made it seem like that's
Speaker 2: just not your mother that you like ever.
Speaker 1: In life for the past couple of years.
Speaker 5: No, that's not been true for the past couple of years.
Speaker 5: I could definitely say it's been a little distant this
Speaker 5: year for sure.
Speaker 3: But when we left New York, I didn't feel like.
Speaker 5: There was bad blood between any of us outside of,
Speaker 5: you know, the situation between Toy and I, But I
Speaker 5: didn't feel that, you know, Simone and I were just
Speaker 5: in a bad place. Simone and I needed to talk
Speaker 5: about some things and reactivate our friendship.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: I definitely didn't feel like anything was different between Heavenly
Speaker 5: and I didn't feel like anything was different between Jackie
Speaker 5: and I. You know, I just didn't understand why are
Speaker 5: we making it such a big deal that Quad has
Speaker 5: not called us. It should be a reciprocal thing. Did
Speaker 5: you ever call and check in on me?
Speaker 3: Mhm? I need that too, you know.
Speaker 5: And it's just disheartening that I, again, here, I am
Speaker 5: being held to a standard that they don't even have
Speaker 5: to meet the requirement.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Before this season started, Carlos King exclusively reported.
Speaker 6: Let's get some work.
Speaker 2: You don't breaking downs the reality with the gig got
Speaker 2: you won't you want true tig. I want the reality
Speaker 2: with the King Child. If you want allegations and as
Speaker 2: subsection live, you know where to go.
Speaker 1: The AUTI aside. I was the first to confirm that phedra.
Speaker 5: Obviously I do want to add something else. I actually
Speaker 5: even had a conversation with Simon off off camera, you know.
Speaker 5: I said said, I I want to sit down with you.
Speaker 5: I want to talk to you and wet We met
Speaker 5: over at CNS, the one right here and you know,
Speaker 5: over in Sandy Springs, and I said, Simon, what have
Speaker 5: I done to you? Just tell me, I said, go
Speaker 5: back over the entire ten years. You don't have to
Speaker 5: speak hasty. You don't have to, you know, hurry up
Speaker 5: and vomit something up. I don't want that. I want
Speaker 5: the truth because if I've done something to you, I
Speaker 5: want to correct it.
Speaker 3: I want to correct that.
Speaker 5: And that was last year, I think, before we even
Speaker 5: went to the reunion, and she stopped for a moment
Speaker 5: and we were having a great deal.
Speaker 3: About a way.
Speaker 5: She had a couple of cottails. I had a couple
Speaker 5: of cottails. I think some Ostles was on the table too.
Speaker 5: We had a great time. It was like old times.
Speaker 5: And she literally said to me, you've not done anything
Speaker 5: to me. And I said, hold on, really think about it. Whatever,
Speaker 5: anything that you can think of it, tell me now.
Speaker 5: And she said, no, you've not done anything to me.
Speaker 5: She said, you know, I go against you because I
Speaker 5: don't want Toya to.
Speaker 3: Be mad at me. Hmmm, straight like that.
Speaker 1: See, that's the alliance.
Speaker 2: I'll be telling people about that happens on these shows
Speaker 2: that they want to nail me to the cross for.
Speaker 2: I tell people that oftentimes on reality shows ensembles.
Speaker 1: There's Allian system.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm friends with you because I do like you,
Speaker 2: but let's be clear, I need somebody to have my back,
Speaker 2: and as a courtesy I gotta have I gotta have
Speaker 2: their back.
Speaker 6: And the thing it.
Speaker 3: Threw me off a little bit because I was like, damn, really.
Speaker 5: You've been going it's hard and I've not done anything
Speaker 5: to you, and it's just because you want a piece Toya.
Speaker 3: And that threw me a little bit.
Speaker 5: But I was like, well, Quaid, you and tim Own
Speaker 5: haven't been close in a number of years, so is
Speaker 5: it hard for you to can you try to understand
Speaker 5: where she could possibly be coming from and why. While
Speaker 5: I didn't like it, I could understand where she was coming.
Speaker 2: From because you understand how this works. You understand how
Speaker 2: this works. So we're getting into this current season. Before
Speaker 2: we started filming, I did report that Phedra was in
Speaker 2: conversations to join Mary to Medicine. At the time, it
Speaker 2: was rumors that your ex husband and at the time
Speaker 2: his Beyonce were joining the show, and some Brobo executives
Speaker 2: did an interview I believe it was Deadline or how
Speaker 2: one of the trades, and this executive said, this up
Speaker 2: coming season Amerti Medicine, we are going to again paraphrasing,
Speaker 2: but pretty much, it's going to be a refresh. It's
Speaker 2: gonna some people aren't coming back, some new people are joining,
Speaker 2: and some familiar faces. It was like, this upcoming season,
Speaker 2: Maritive Medicine is about to knock your sock saw because
Speaker 2: we're throwing so many things at it. Because I've always
Speaker 2: said this.
Speaker 1: For years, no one listened to me until now. I've
Speaker 1: always said, Brav, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I've always said that Maritime Medicine is the best cham
Speaker 2: Brav of that y'all not watching it's been It's been
Speaker 2: consistently great. I have never seen an off season like, well, damn, y'all,
Speaker 2: it's always been great, ten years strong, and not a
Speaker 2: lot of shelves can say that.
Speaker 1: So kudos to you guys for that.
Speaker 2: Before you guys started filming, you wanted to renegotiate your contract,
Speaker 2: I said, on my life, but believe that anytime a
Speaker 2: star knows their worth, I'm an advocate for bitch, get
Speaker 2: what you deserved. I said, if I was in quas shoes,
Speaker 2: and I've been on this show for nine years, and
Speaker 2: you're bringing back my ex husband and his next Clearly
Speaker 2: you're only bringing them back because I'm around. It's the
Speaker 2: only way it makes sense. And that's why I like
Speaker 2: having these real conversations because as a producer, I even
Speaker 2: know what time it is. You're a smart, educated woman.
Speaker 2: You knew what time it was, and you felt like
Speaker 2: if I again I putting words in your mouth, but
Speaker 2: I'm assuming you felt like, huh, okay, yesterday's price ain't
Speaker 2: today's price. And I will be mad at you, be
Speaker 2: mad at me if I want to. I will be
Speaker 2: mad at you if you didn't do what you did.
Speaker 9: Period point of blank But before we get into the
Speaker 9: the guttation part, did you have a receiver courtesy call that, hey,
Speaker 9: we're in talks with your ex husband and his next
Speaker 9: to come back to the show.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 5: Never, No one ever calls me. No one ever said,
Speaker 5: you know, what do you think about this idea. No
Speaker 5: one ever said, well, we're thinking about reaching out to them.
Speaker 5: No one ever said, you know, we know the turbulent
Speaker 5: marriage and how the things went, you know, but we
Speaker 5: still think that this is going.
Speaker 3: To be a good idea for the show.
Speaker 5: So we just want to give you a heads up
Speaker 5: we're probably gonna look to bring your ex husband and
Speaker 5: his new love interests on the show.
Speaker 3: No, not at all. I had to learn that, like
Speaker 3: on social media, Like why.
Speaker 2: You found out your ex husband was coming back to
Speaker 2: the show through social media?
Speaker 3: No one calls me. I have no text messages, I
Speaker 3: have no calls. I have none of that.
Speaker 5: I began to put two and two together when I
Speaker 5: saw like a lot of the some of the ladies
Speaker 5: kind of hanging out with them, you know, and I
Speaker 5: was like, oh, Okay, I see what this is. And
Speaker 5: I think there was a cryptic message under one of their.
Speaker 3: Posts.
Speaker 5: I think it could have been Simon and something by
Speaker 5: hanging out and talking a lot of something or something
Speaker 5: stay tuned for me or to me, it's something. And
Speaker 5: I said, oh, oh, I see what this is. I
Speaker 5: see exactly what this is.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: Wow, yeah, been on the show, been you know, been
Speaker 5: here since Conception said that before. I said that, I
Speaker 5: think heavenly and I one time I had alive or
Speaker 5: something and I was like, I felt disrespected, not even
Speaker 5: a courtesy call. Didn't care how I would feel, didn't
Speaker 5: care you know, are you even ready for that?
Speaker 3: Quad? Like, is this going to be some form of
Speaker 3: a trigger for you? Like nothing, crickets?
Speaker 1: Did you cry? I?
Speaker 3: I was perplexed.
Speaker 5: I was confused. I felt like, why why would you
Speaker 5: be so cruel towards me? Is what I felt like?
Speaker 5: Why would you not even lend me a courtesy just
Speaker 5: a phone call? I like to think that over the year,
Speaker 5: you know, I enjoyed married to medicine. There's been some tough, tough, tough,
Speaker 5: tough times for.
Speaker 3: Me on the show, but they have become my family.
Speaker 5: You can't be with a group of people for ten
Speaker 5: years and not have some emotional tie to them, you know.
Speaker 3: And I just felt like, did I mean anything, do
Speaker 3: you all anything? You couldn't have called me.
Speaker 5: You couldn't have just flew in town and sat down
Speaker 5: with me and kind of just.
Speaker 3: Had a conversation with me.
Speaker 5: Did you, for one moment take your producer's head off
Speaker 5: and just put on your had of humanity? I wasn't
Speaker 5: given that courtesy.
Speaker 1: So then you started to work on renegotiating your contract.
Speaker 2: And allegedly missed out on four to five weeks of filming.
Speaker 2: Five weeks of filming due to negotiating. When I learned that,
Speaker 2: I went in, my cloth is my protein shape, my cloth,
Speaker 2: and child have my protein shake before I workout, And
Speaker 2: I said, I don't know if you saw this video
Speaker 2: that I did.
Speaker 1: I did a video and I said, y'all.
Speaker 2: Filming for five weeks without miss Squad, y'all brought Phaser back,
Speaker 2: y'all bringing her X and his next and we don't
Speaker 2: have Quad. Y'all gonna tell me, y'all want me to
Speaker 2: tune in to next season without seeing the eff center
Speaker 2: of that storyline.
Speaker 1: And I did a mock phone call and I said.
Speaker 2: This was the producer's calling Quad because at this time
Speaker 2: I think you closed on your deal. This is like
Speaker 2: five weeks into okay, and I said, they called and said, look, bitch,
Speaker 2: it's five weeks and nothing's going on.
Speaker 1: What do we need to do? What is going on here?
Speaker 2: We need to bring her back because clearly our negotiating power.
Speaker 1: Has has has has ended. She's serious about that.
Speaker 2: Was this a strenuous process of you trying to get
Speaker 2: what you felt was fair due to the circumstances.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, first of all, I don't negotiate with people,
Speaker 5: and in terms of I'm not verbal, you know, I
Speaker 5: have an agent who handles all of that for me,
Speaker 5: you know, and then there's a you know, a legal
Speaker 5: team there, there's an agent, and then they kind of
Speaker 5: go back and forward with the network and.
Speaker 3: You know here and there.
Speaker 5: So I'm not in the minutia of all of that.
Speaker 5: I trust my agent to do the right thing by me.
Speaker 5: I trust him to fight for me. I trust him
Speaker 5: to present things to show my value and to show
Speaker 5: my worth, uh, to paint that picture. And that's kind
Speaker 5: of what happened this this season. I did feel that,
Speaker 5: you know, the writing was on the while it was
Speaker 5: supposed to be this whole trio of you know this,
Speaker 5: I guess pulling a tug in for doctor G or
Speaker 5: you know, you know, how is Quie gonna respond? Is
Speaker 5: this gonna evoke any emotion from her? Is she gonna
Speaker 5: be jealous? Is she gonna be mad? Is she you know,
Speaker 5: gonna you know, is it gonna be some form of
Speaker 5: a fight or some form of a debacle?
Speaker 3: You know, And you know, it just wasn't that. It
Speaker 3: wasn't It wasn't that.
Speaker 5: But I think that was the idea in bringing them on.
Speaker 5: You know, did I think that people were running around,
Speaker 5: you know, looking for doctor G and whoever his next
Speaker 5: woman was.
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily think that that was an.
Speaker 5: I'll call there for that, But I think that the
Speaker 5: agenda behind.
Speaker 3: It was to see if it could.
Speaker 5: Get my panties in a bunch and get me all
Speaker 5: rolled up, and you know.
Speaker 3: That will be a thing, you know, for the show.
Speaker 2: Are you were you satisfied with the agreement that you
Speaker 2: your ages and your lawyers made for you to return?
Speaker 1: Were you were you? Were you satisfied with it or
Speaker 1: or not?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 5: I like to think that I felt like, because they
Speaker 5: were coming on board, that other concessions could have been
Speaker 5: made and should have been made. Right, you know, we've
Speaker 5: had other situations to kind of happen on the show,
Speaker 5: But I didn't see anyone else bringing any other mistresses
Speaker 5: on the show.
Speaker 3: I didn't see that. But I did see.
Speaker 5: My ex husband and his new now wife brought on
Speaker 5: the show with no problem. And I think for me,
Speaker 5: it's about where's the respect for me?
Speaker 3: Have I not lend my contribution to the show.
Speaker 5: Have I not brought some value or some work to
Speaker 5: the show. Have I not advocated for the show? Why
Speaker 5: am I being just take what we're gonna give you,
Speaker 5: and Yeah, we're gonna put these people in front of
Speaker 5: your face and you're gonna smile bearing grand behind.
Speaker 1: Were you satisfied with the terms?
Speaker 3: No? I think things could have been a lot better.
Speaker 10: Yeah, Phaedra came back and made a comeback American Medicine.
Speaker 1: Me along with the fans were like, this is the
Speaker 1: new freaking fact.
Speaker 2: We were excited. We were reminded of a clip of
Speaker 2: you and Phedra when she appeared in American Medicine. You know,
Speaker 2: you guys have this good whim's called funk girlfriend relationship.
Speaker 1: How did you find out Faedra was coming back to
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 5: Well, I had I had been talking to Phaedria too,
Speaker 5: but because I mean, our relationship has been long standing,
Speaker 5: you know, I didn't care who in Atlanta was not
Speaker 5: friends with Phaedra and who told me not to be
Speaker 5: a friend or to watch her or she's this and.
Speaker 1: She people say that to you all the time. They
Speaker 1: said to watch Phaedra.
Speaker 5: Yeah, with your eyes and another pair too. But I
Speaker 5: never felt like that about Fia. I never felt like that.
Speaker 5: The energy between phag and I had always been good.
Speaker 5: We've always been really cool, you know. And so I
Speaker 5: was like, yeah, I hear you all, but you know,
Speaker 5: she's all right with me, and I can be your
Speaker 5: friend and her friend too. I'm not gonna not be
Speaker 5: this person's friend because maybe some things are going on
Speaker 5: with some people. You know, we no mutual people, right,
Speaker 5: So I did hear that. You know, she was saying
Speaker 5: that she was dating a doctor.
Speaker 1: Have you met him?
Speaker 3: I have not.
Speaker 1: Have you seen a face time? No a picture.
Speaker 5: I saw the picture that was on the show with
Speaker 5: the Mulji face on it, but I've not seen like
Speaker 5: a picture on the phone or if her and I
Speaker 5: may have been sitting next to each other. No, I'm
Speaker 5: not What I will say, is we the ladies of
Speaker 5: married to medicine had never seen him yet.
Speaker 3: Okay mmmmm yeah.
Speaker 5: And so so basically I heard that, you know, she
Speaker 5: was dating a doctor. And then you know, uh, Matthew
Speaker 5: Anderson and I began to have conversations.
Speaker 3: Of course, he knows that, uh we.
Speaker 5: Were friends and her Phaser and I have been cool
Speaker 5: for a long time. And actually that connection did come
Speaker 5: through my ex husband, to be honest with you, and uh,
Speaker 5: she knew me and really didn't know many of the
Speaker 5: other girls, like none really you know, knew of them,
Speaker 5: but not personal relationships with them. So of course Matthew
Speaker 5: and I had conversations and it's like, you know, he
Speaker 5: told me a little bit more about you know, possibly
Speaker 5: bringing Phaser on board. I thought that it was a
Speaker 5: great idea. You know, I think Phaser understands television. You know, yeah,
Speaker 5: she understands it.
Speaker 3: And so you know, he was like, you know, let's
Speaker 3: let's work on this, and I said, let's do it,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 5: And so I was asked to participate in her process
Speaker 5: of coming on board, and I did like an audition,
Speaker 5: you know, on behalf of her and spoke very high
Speaker 5: audition you know, you send in a tape, and I
Speaker 5: said in my office, and you know, there was a
Speaker 5: line of questions that.
Speaker 1: Was presented to me. You had a camera and you
Speaker 1: pressed the recorba in yeah.
Speaker 3: Like so it was the casting person. Uh huh. And
Speaker 3: then you know she just zoomed me. We had a
Speaker 3: zoom meeting.
Speaker 5: And then there was a number of questions that was
Speaker 5: asked in respect to myself and phase or in our relationship.
Speaker 5: And yeah, I answered the questions and I told them,
Speaker 5: you know how I really felt about her, that she
Speaker 5: was great for TV, and you know, her and I
Speaker 5: have a great relationship. She's really cool and it's fun
Speaker 5: and you know, really want a better watch out because
Speaker 5: the chocolate Girl's coming through and you know, yeah, that's
Speaker 5: all recorded.
Speaker 3: That's all recorded, and so.
Speaker 5: I really I was happy to hear it and really
Speaker 5: even more happy to help bring her on board.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: So could you advocated for Phedro?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Certainly that was easy.
Speaker 5: That was very easy for me to do because I
Speaker 5: wanted to see her back on television. I thought she
Speaker 5: was always great for TV. I mean, what it had
Speaker 5: been maybe five years that we had not seen her
Speaker 5: on a show consistently, and I just felt like you know,
Speaker 5: we're good. Her and I are great, So I didn't
Speaker 5: see a reason for me not to advocate for her.
Speaker 2: So when you advocated for Phedra to get on the show,
Speaker 2: how did you feel in these past two episodes when
Speaker 2: you guys were at the table, And from what I saw,
Speaker 2: it appeared she did not want.
Speaker 1: Advocate for you.
Speaker 5: At the table. The table scene was horrible. Across the board,
Speaker 5: across the board, the table.
Speaker 3: Seine was horrible. And to learn that she had.
Speaker 5: Changed her airline ticket, I'm like, that's not what you
Speaker 5: told me.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: I text you like, Hey, I'm at the airport, No,
Speaker 5: what's up, what's going on?
Speaker 3: Where are you?
Speaker 5: And she's like, oh, I'm running around, girl, I'm at
Speaker 5: the drug store. I'm running around at the drug store.
Speaker 5: You know I'll be there something along those lines.
Speaker 3: I do have the text messages. And so for me
Speaker 3: to later on here that.
Speaker 5: She basically changed her flight because she didn't want to
Speaker 5: be around me or maybe wanted to go along.
Speaker 3: To get along, that was devastating. I didn't understand why
Speaker 3: she would do that.
Speaker 2: I watched those two episodes and and I was so
Speaker 2: confused because from episode one and let me tell you something.
Speaker 2: This is coming from a person who produces shows, creates it.
Speaker 1: Watched the edit, all that stuff.
Speaker 2: I don't know anybody that can miss five weeks of
Speaker 2: work negotiating, and then the first episode, second, third, or
Speaker 2: fifty six seven eight, because.
Speaker 1: You you you for the audience. Every week and a half,
Speaker 1: you're taking an episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, every week at Les Yeah, week week and a half.
Speaker 2: You're in the episode, taking off your draws, hopping in
Speaker 2: the bath to a baby. I mean, but you're in
Speaker 2: the first episode. And again, I'm such a fan of
Speaker 2: the show that I was like, oh my god, the
Speaker 2: new freaking I'm.
Speaker 1: Gonna see this.
Speaker 2: And we saw y'all friendship. We even saw it at
Speaker 2: the funeral home and you came off the casket, honey,
Speaker 2: with a resurrection like it was Easta. You know, it
Speaker 2: was giving very much Easter Sunday, Honey, Bryan.
Speaker 9: You know, we loved it.
Speaker 2: It was even from our batcher's point, as if view
Speaker 2: were every single episode was fed your quad, fed your quad?
Speaker 1: What you got big?
Speaker 7: I got that big?
Speaker 3: What are you doing?
Speaker 2: And it was like the next episode after that, it
Speaker 2: was like instantly we saw her not even utter a
Speaker 2: word in your defense and It was shocking to us.
Speaker 5: It was almost like someone had told them, like, go
Speaker 5: with the girl for Quad Gopher Quad.
Speaker 3: She's the target. Isolate her.
Speaker 2: Heavily said in My Life that there was a lot
Speaker 2: that was cut out that you and Toya almost got
Speaker 2: into a fist fight at the funeral home.
Speaker 5: We did not almost get into a fist fight at
Speaker 5: a funeral home down down to the walkins.
Speaker 3: We did not.
Speaker 5: Was there a heated discussion, Yes, we had a heated discussion.
Speaker 5: They had Toy and I sitting right next to one another,
Speaker 5: as you can see if you go back and look
Speaker 5: at that episode.
Speaker 3: But we were not about to fight. We did not
Speaker 3: even get.
Speaker 5: Up and stand up like and walk up against each
Speaker 5: other like.
Speaker 3: What's t and heavenly.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but there were words spoken passionately, Yes there were.
Speaker 2: And then she's intimated that you make comments about I'm
Speaker 2: here to get my check, I'm in for my check,
Speaker 2: fuck you bitches.
Speaker 5: Well I never said fuck you bitches, okay at all,
Speaker 5: But when you know that someone doesn't like you, like,
Speaker 5: how did if we go back into the episode and
Speaker 5: was like, oh, we can quit stay with you?
Speaker 3: Can she stay with you? Can she stay with you?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: I'm not getting her room. Did she stay with you? Can?
Speaker 3: She say?
Speaker 5: And it was it was I was made a mockery up,
Speaker 5: and it was like no one wanted to room with me,
Speaker 5: you know, and oh what Fader said, she wished she
Speaker 5: doesn't wish to stay to stay with you, Jackie said,
Speaker 5: now with eight o's and all of that, and all
Speaker 5: of that was made to kind of make me feel
Speaker 5: left out or make me feel unwanted, you know.
Speaker 3: And so that was the beginning of like, oh, I
Speaker 3: see what this is.
Speaker 5: And there were some things that did happen at the
Speaker 5: Resurrection where Heavenly, I think Toya had gotten into it
Speaker 5: with Alicia and said some things, made some allegations against
Speaker 5: Alicia's husband and his practice or something, and uh, there
Speaker 5: was a conversation after that over the phone where I
Speaker 5: thought it was just personal between Vader and I, and
Speaker 5: she was saying that, you know, this is.
Speaker 3: A bunch of ninja s h I t and if I,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't want to be a part of that.
Speaker 5: And and I would say, well, you know, we're we're
Speaker 5: good over here. I mean, you know, the house the
Speaker 5: housewives you know, were I'm sure a lot tougher you know,
Speaker 5: like Phedra, like, seriously, this is this is but this
Speaker 5: is this is easy for you here.
Speaker 2: Picking daisies off of the vines.
Speaker 3: Nor were you blowing out dandelion.
Speaker 5: So so so anyway, I just thought that truly was
Speaker 5: like a personal conversation between us, just her and I,
Speaker 5: And then later on Heavily and I spoke, and I'm
Speaker 5: learning that she told Heavenly and Simon and maybe.
Speaker 3: Even had a couple of others.
Speaker 5: Anyway, it got around to the girls, and some of
Speaker 5: the girls were offended by her saying this is some
Speaker 5: ninja shit and she didn't want to be a part
Speaker 5: of If it was going to continue to go like that,
Speaker 5: then you would rather just be continue to do her
Speaker 5: one off shows like Ultimate Girl's Trip and things of
Speaker 5: that nature. And in that I remember Heavenly and I speaking,
Speaker 5: and Heavenly said something along the lines, well, she just
Speaker 5: got afraid when Toya started going off on you know,
Speaker 5: Alisha and making those allegations against Alicia, and she said,
Speaker 5: I feel like, you know, Phraser got scared, and I
Speaker 5: was said, what do you mean? And you know, she's like,
Speaker 5: but Frasier, you know, Phaser was a liar, and this
Speaker 5: and the other. I said, what, you know, what, what's
Speaker 5: you lie about?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 5: She? Are you talking about her not knowing how many
Speaker 5: months pregnant she was? Because that's what I remember at
Speaker 5: that time, you know that. My brain kind of went
Speaker 5: to that. And then Heavenly was like, because I read
Speaker 5: the book. I read the book that Angela Statton wrote,
Speaker 5: and I was like, oh, and I.
Speaker 3: Was like, who's that you know?
Speaker 5: Because all of that to me, it was just completely
Speaker 5: like I thought about the pregnancy, right, And so with
Speaker 5: that there was conversation. I was like, oh, okay, so
Speaker 5: whoa And so then that was kind of like the
Speaker 5: end of the conversation. So later on, when I see that,
Speaker 5: Fadra says that Heavenly told her that I was talking
Speaker 5: about her. I wasn't talking about Phaedra. Why would I
Speaker 5: bring her or help her get on the show to
Speaker 5: turn around and talk about her.
Speaker 3: I did not do that.
Speaker 5: What I thought when Heavenly said something about her lying
Speaker 5: being a liar, I automatically went to the fact that
Speaker 5: she did not remember how many months pregnant she was
Speaker 5: and maybe she did that due to her religion.
Speaker 3: That's what I said, And then.
Speaker 5: Everything else kind of trickled or rolled out from Heavenly,
Speaker 5: but apparently I don't know if Heavenly ever told her
Speaker 5: what she had said in reference to it. I just
Speaker 5: remember saying, that's what I said. You understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: And so it was interesting that Fader didn't even call
Speaker 5: me and say, hey, you know, were.
Speaker 3: You talking about me? That you say anything about me?
Speaker 5: You know, like or you know, I feel like, you know,
Speaker 5: there's some things we need to talk about because I'm
Speaker 5: feel in a certain type of way and for that,
Speaker 5: I'm not.
Speaker 3: Gonna take the flight with you.
Speaker 5: Instead, you told me you was running around and getting
Speaker 5: some last many things and shopping at the.
Speaker 3: Local pharmacy.
Speaker 1: Walgreens for CBS.
Speaker 3: Maybe I think it was right.
Speaker 2: I had.
Speaker 5: I literally I have, I have. I can't make it up.
Speaker 5: I can't make it up. I can't make it up.
Speaker 2: I know you can't got understand.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 2: Let's just say that of that surprises me. What did
Speaker 2: surprised me though, is this. I felt that there was
Speaker 2: this army.
Speaker 1: Of people.
Speaker 2: Trying to kick you off the show, and that there
Speaker 2: was a mission that when she gets to San Francisco,
Speaker 2: the mission is to get her off the show. And
Speaker 2: again I'm only basically means off what I've seen because.
Speaker 1: I'm a viewer.
Speaker 2: You were so humble to me in your conversations with
Speaker 2: the girls, even when you walked in your lime green
Speaker 2: honey outfit back. But baby, that lime green was it
Speaker 2: was baby in all the right places.
Speaker 3: I saw it too.
Speaker 5: Damn miss what you're telling girl, Oh, I said, my god,
Speaker 5: God God, I loved.
Speaker 1: I had an appetype of oysters.
Speaker 3: I did pearls.
Speaker 8: Okay, So when I saw you walk in and my
Speaker 8: good de choice is told you I gave you the
Speaker 8: desk there, baby, I was.
Speaker 2: Like, okay, we know' had an issue at the resurrection,
Speaker 2: but I always bought that took bad As a girls,
Speaker 2: y'all always know how to break it back. You'll always
Speaker 2: do how to bring it back. So I never take
Speaker 2: things y'all say deeply in terms of like it's forever ruin.
Speaker 2: It's like, don't work the way back back together. It's
Speaker 2: all good. But I saw that, and like you said,
Speaker 2: I don't want to room with her.
Speaker 1: Boom boom boone the room key.
Speaker 2: So I saw all these things happening, and you're like, okay,
Speaker 2: I mean I got money.
Speaker 1: I can get my own room if that's if that's
Speaker 1: an issue. But I'm here to support you.
Speaker 2: Even when you sat down the tample, you said, look,
Speaker 2: Toya Au drops aside as a black.
Speaker 1: Woman in winery. This is amazing. Congratulations. I love that.
Speaker 2: I told Heavenly, I said, if that was a mission to.
Speaker 1: Get her off the show, y'all should.
Speaker 2: Have said, aboard, aboard a board, the bitch is coming
Speaker 2: in humble guys, we're going on board.
Speaker 3: Mission eighty six.
Speaker 2: This this, this beat on the sheet because we are
Speaker 2: not going to have a pomposa.
Speaker 1: And and and the reason why me and.
Speaker 2: The audience felt that energy is because everybody's face was
Speaker 2: still like.
Speaker 1: Determined. And then it felt like Heavenly.
Speaker 2: Had to say something. And when she said, well you
Speaker 2: use me, what did she mean by that? Because we
Speaker 2: never felt that you were using her. But I want
Speaker 2: to be able to were you surprised to hear that?
Speaker 5: Well, you just hite me with a whole Sorry, now,
Speaker 5: it's just that's very loaded, very loaded. So I'm going
Speaker 5: to try to take it in part. When James Knox
Speaker 5: asked me to come out to to Napa Valley, and
Speaker 5: I knew that it was for Toya. You know, but
Speaker 5: I'm always he in a position of it doesn't matter
Speaker 5: what you're going through with the person. If this woman
Speaker 5: is doing something he or she, If a person is
Speaker 5: doing something that should be supported, then you get there
Speaker 5: and you support it.
Speaker 3: And I know how through the years Toya.
Speaker 5: Has been kind of pegged as the person who doesn't
Speaker 5: really do anything. You know, all she does is sit
Speaker 5: back and spend the money, and you know, spend Eugene's money,
Speaker 5: and all of that has been.
Speaker 3: Said throughout the years about Toya.
Speaker 5: I was really happy that Toya had made a connection
Speaker 5: where she could now have a wine club to present
Speaker 5: a list of wines, to say, hey, if you purchase
Speaker 5: this under my code, then you get this discount, and
Speaker 5: then that will be an additional revenue stream for her.
Speaker 5: I can remember talking to Toya years ago, years ago
Speaker 5: on her and I. We were cool and we were
Speaker 5: on the phone and we were talking about you know,
Speaker 5: other things we can do, you know, extending the brands,
Speaker 5: and you know, I think at that time I was
Speaker 5: working with like picture Perfect Puff or something, and I
Speaker 5: said to her, well, Toya, what do you like Let's
Speaker 5: stop right here and just think about the things You're like,
Speaker 5: what do you like to do?
Speaker 3: And she was like, oh no, I mean I don't
Speaker 3: know what I like to do.
Speaker 5: And this is a phone call and I could You
Speaker 5: can hear her thinking and then she says, well, I
Speaker 5: like being a mom.
Speaker 3: And I said, that's good. That's a real good one.
Speaker 5: I said, come up, I said, think about some of
Speaker 5: the challenges that maybe your sons have had, you know,
Speaker 5: or maybe you know their friends have had, or even
Speaker 5: you as a mother, think about some of those things,
Speaker 5: those challenges.
Speaker 3: That you had have had or they have had.
Speaker 5: And what can you create, no matter if it's a device,
Speaker 5: if it's some form of a method to be sold,
Speaker 5: whatever it is, what can you create that could actually
Speaker 5: be some form of a mechanism to help the kids
Speaker 5: be easier on the moms while still.
Speaker 3: Being able to earn you an additional income. What does
Speaker 3: that look like? I don't know.
Speaker 5: You should probably research it, but that may be a
Speaker 5: good place for you to start. And this was a
Speaker 5: one on one personal conversation, wasn't filmed. It was just
Speaker 5: two people on the phone who liked each other at
Speaker 5: the time, two people on the phone who got along,
Speaker 5: two people on the phone who were cool, and I
Speaker 5: stopped for moments of this brainstorm, so to see that happening,
Speaker 5: maybe if a sold I mean season one, maybe between
Speaker 5: season one and season two or something like that, or
Speaker 5: maybe earlier on in our seasons. I can't really remember,
Speaker 5: because I know that people like hold me to it
Speaker 5: let me I was, but.
Speaker 3: I can't remember.
Speaker 5: But it was an earlier on, earlier years in the show.
Speaker 5: And I remember having that phone conversation with her, and
Speaker 5: to see that, you know, eight years later, nine years later,
Speaker 5: she's now able to have something of her own, it
Speaker 5: pleads me. And I was very happy for her. And
Speaker 5: I was more than eager and happy to support her
Speaker 5: because I know what that meant for her.
Speaker 3: But I did not.
Speaker 5: Know that I was going to be pretty much ambushed
Speaker 5: on that trip. I had no idea that that was
Speaker 5: going to happen when we left the Resurrection, truly, I thought,
Speaker 5: because I went through each one of them, Jackie, you know,
Speaker 5: are you ready to bury the strife? Jackie said, no strife,
Speaker 5: you know, heavinly said she didn't have an issue with anyone,
Speaker 5: then started in on sweet Tea, and you know, of course,
Speaker 5: Phaser and I were cool and in a good place
Speaker 5: I did not know Alicia very much. Was eager to
Speaker 5: get to know her, you know, wanting to get to
Speaker 5: know her, thinking I had more time to get to
Speaker 5: know her. Now her and I have had conversations of
Speaker 5: course off you know, off off record and off the cameras,
Speaker 5: you know, so I'm still getting to know her. And
Speaker 5: then of course, you know, sweet tea, it's sweet tea,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, there's a you know, I
Speaker 5: think her husband is probably gonna trying to keep that
Speaker 5: wedge between the two of us.
Speaker 1: You don't mind getting to know.
Speaker 5: Her, No, not necessarily, I don't mind, Okay, No, I mean, listen,
Speaker 5: how I look at that particular situation is but it's
Speaker 5: been what five years, five and a half years, maybe
Speaker 5: close to six. Now you're supposed to find love again.
Speaker 5: You're supposed to find happiness again. You're supposed to if
Speaker 5: you be able to enjoy your life, whatever that looks like.
Speaker 5: You know, for him, it's remarrying, right you know, right now.
Speaker 5: For me, it's traveling and seeing life and meeting different
Speaker 5: cultures and you know, seeing what the world has out there.
Speaker 5: For me, it's no wrong way. Whatever your journey is
Speaker 5: to happiness, just get there, just get there. So I
Speaker 5: don't have animosity towards her. It wasn't like she cheated
Speaker 5: with him, right right right. You know, this girl came
Speaker 5: meaning many years later, you know what I mean, So
Speaker 5: it would be ridiculous for me to have something against
Speaker 5: her in reference to him. Now, she said some things
Speaker 5: thus far, and I'm sure the reunion will will deal
Speaker 5: with those things that she's said in reference to me,
Speaker 5: But outside of that, in regards to him, I have
Speaker 5: no problem with her.
Speaker 3: No. Now he on the other end, have is you know.
Speaker 3: But going back to.
Speaker 5: That dinner, I just felt like, oh, this is a
Speaker 5: complete ambush.
Speaker 3: And I'm sitting here trying to.
Speaker 5: I'm trying to hear you all out, and I want
Speaker 5: to hear you all out, and I'm listening and I'm
Speaker 5: keyed in, but I'm also wanting to have my voice heard,
Speaker 5: and at every single turn.
Speaker 3: They shut me down.
Speaker 5: It's like if I wasn't saying what they wanted me
Speaker 5: to say, then they didn't want to hear it. And
Speaker 5: that was very disheartening. It was almost like everyone knew
Speaker 5: what was about to happen. Everyone was in on it
Speaker 5: except me.
Speaker 1: Now, That's what it felt like, and I felt like
Speaker 1: I felt like there was a mission. And I'm not even.
Speaker 2: Gonna say necessarily from the girls, right, I don't know,
Speaker 2: because again I'm not there. But in their defense, it
Speaker 2: just seemed like everybody was like, we're in on it.
Speaker 1: And I think Faedra even knew.
Speaker 2: Which is why she was quiet as a church mouse
Speaker 2: and avoided flying on the same flight as you. I
Speaker 2: think everybody knew except you, but that these girls had
Speaker 2: to do it because they're on camera, right, And I
Speaker 2: have never seen you appear so hurt. I mean when
Speaker 2: Simone gave you the blow, I literally.
Speaker 1: Even the episode before that, I think I said this
Speaker 1: to you.
Speaker 2: I was like I couldn't sleep that night because it
Speaker 2: felt mean, girlish, and that's never bring y'all show. Y'all
Speaker 2: show has never been about like we're gonna ice one out.
Speaker 2: It's just never that. So when I saw it, I
Speaker 2: was like, this seems weird, and it wasn't. I felt
Speaker 2: bad for you, of course, also felt bad for the collective,
Speaker 2: like what are we doing here? And then when I
Speaker 2: saw someone deliver the blow to you, like we don't
Speaker 2: want you here, we want you to go home?
Speaker 1: What I was.
Speaker 2: Shaking and I saw you look sad, then we saw
Speaker 2: you cry when you got back to your hotel room.
Speaker 1: In that moment, though, qua did you feel like?
Speaker 2: Did you feel embarrassed, hurt, disappointed?
Speaker 1: For all of the above.
Speaker 2: Thank you for listening to Reality with the King. New
Speaker 2: episodes dropped every Tuesday, Share, comment, follow, and subscribe to
Speaker 2: Reality with the King. Wherever you get your podcast, visit
Speaker 2: realitywithe King dot com and be sure to follow me
Speaker 2: at the Carlos King Underscore on Instagram, Twitter, TikTok, and Yes,
Speaker 2: Baby my YouTube channel where you can get all of
Speaker 2: my visuals, baby, my expressions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and don't forget tweet me.
Speaker 2: Your thoughts and hot takes about this episode using the
Speaker 2: hashtag Reality with the King. Reality with the King is
Speaker 2: a production of Kingdom Rain Entertainment. It is produced by
Speaker 2: Sierra Spragley Rix An executive produced by Me, Carlos King,
Speaker 2: Kingdom Rain Entertainment, Baby,