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Speaker 2: take your phone calls. The Rams roll the Vikings twenty
Speaker 2: seven to nine. We normally skew negative after a game
Speaker 2: like this because the season is over for Minnesota. I
Speaker 2: do want to give the Rams their props here because
Speaker 2: just because we don't know who some of your players
Speaker 2: are doesn't mean you don't have a really good team.
Speaker 2: And when it comes to that Rams defense, they're not
Speaker 2: household names like they were when they won a Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: They do have some offensive firepower, they have a well
Speaker 2: known head coach. But that was a great team performance
Speaker 2: last night, shutting down the Vikings twenty seven to nine.
Speaker 2: They sacked Sam Darnold nine times, and you get the
Speaker 2: feeling the Rams probably looked at what the Detroit Lions
Speaker 2: did when they face the Vikings the previous game, and
Speaker 2: that is we're going after Sam Darnald. We're going to
Speaker 2: put as much pressure on Sam Donald as possible, and
Speaker 2: it certainly worked against the Lions, and the blueprint worked
Speaker 2: last night. Sam Donald was uncomfortable the entire evening and
Speaker 2: after the game, he spoke about his play at the
Speaker 2: end of the season.
Speaker 3: You know, I clearly just didn't play good enough the
Speaker 3: last couple of weeks. You know, left too many throws
Speaker 3: out there that I would usually make, and got to
Speaker 3: take better care of the football today especially, you know,
Speaker 3: I feel like I can be a lot better in
Speaker 3: terms of just moving on. My progression is not trying
Speaker 3: to force anything. And but yeah, again, I give them
Speaker 3: a lot of credit for the way they came out,
Speaker 3: they played and the plan that they had.
Speaker 2: The Rams tight an NFL playoff record with nine sacks
Speaker 2: in a playoff game. The Titans did that in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty one, the Chiefs nineteen ninety three, the Browns in
Speaker 2: eighty six, the Niners back in eighty four, and the
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty six Buffalo Bills. It felt like every time
Speaker 2: Sam don't Ernold was sacked, money was coming out of
Speaker 2: his pockets. It was like, damn, there's another million dollars.
Speaker 2: There's another million dollars. Poor Sam, what's going on here?
Speaker 2: They put pressure on him, and I would have thought
Speaker 2: that they would have expected this from the Rams, and
Speaker 2: the Rams are a young team, you know, aside from
Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford. They are one of the younger teams in
Speaker 2: the NFL, and they are one of those teams at
Speaker 2: the end of the year that we thought, boy, you
Speaker 2: don't want to face them come playoff time. It felt
Speaker 2: like them and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Well Tampa got
Speaker 2: kicked to the curb. But here are the Rams, and
Speaker 2: the Rams will have the Philadelphia Eagles coming out. And
Speaker 2: in case you're wondering, the Rams are getting six against
Speaker 2: the Eagles, the Texans getting seven and a half against
Speaker 2: the Chiefs. This according to Draftkingings. The Commander is getting
Speaker 2: nine and a half against the Lions, and the Ravens
Speaker 2: are a one and a half point favorite against the
Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills. All right, Seaton, pull question here, and then
Speaker 2: we'll go back to the game. We'll also talk about
Speaker 2: the Cowboys situation with Mike McCarthy, who is now free
Speaker 2: at last to talk to other teams, and we'll ask
Speaker 2: the question, UH, don't know if we have an answer
Speaker 2: to it, will Mike McCarthy be a head coach in
Speaker 2: the NFL next season? All right, seton, you.
Speaker 4: Know what, just quickly off the last night's game too.
Speaker 4: It was so brutal. Every time Sam Donald made a
Speaker 4: mistake or got sacked or did something, they would immediately
Speaker 4: cut to Kevin O'Connell's face, Let's get the coach's reaction
Speaker 4: to what we just saw, and then they would sort
Speaker 4: of ping pong back and forth between Sam Donald's just
Speaker 4: looking shell shocked, like what's happening and Kevin O'Connell being like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, this is awful.
Speaker 2: Was JJ McCarthy on the sidelines because I kept thinking,
Speaker 2: if you're gonna show sideline reaction, just give me the
Speaker 2: quarterback and waiting here and trying to figure out, now,
Speaker 2: what do you do because you can't throw thirty Sam
Speaker 2: Donald had a wonderful year, maybe the comeback player of
Speaker 2: the year, But you have thirty five touchdown passes or
Speaker 2: did you have twelve or thirteen interceptions? He played great.
Speaker 2: I would like to have seen justin Jefferson's reactions as
Speaker 2: well with everything that was going on, because if you're
Speaker 2: the best wide receiver in the league and you're probably
Speaker 2: going is this as good as we can get? Because
Speaker 2: you don't know what you have in JJ McCarthy. Now
Speaker 2: they think they know because they drafted him high, but
Speaker 2: went out with the knee injury, and now what do
Speaker 2: you do with Sam Darnold? Sam Donald apologists, Pauly paps, Yes, Paul.
Speaker 5: Weirdly, I was thinking about this. The Vikings may have
Speaker 5: benefited by the loss yesterday because three weeks ago they
Speaker 5: had to bring Sam Darnald back, whether it be franchise,
Speaker 5: tag or contract. Now they have the wiggle room to
Speaker 5: move on from him, and the fan base probably wouldn't revolt.
Speaker 2: At least this morning, they wouldn't. So they're light winners
Speaker 2: last night. Yeah, I see where you're going with that.
Speaker 2: That okay, we have to keep him too. We don't
Speaker 2: have to keep him and the fan base would you know,
Speaker 2: be able to say we saw him in a couple
Speaker 2: of big games and he didn't do well. Look, it's
Speaker 2: going to come down to the quarterback win or lose.
Speaker 2: We give them credit, we give them blame. It's more
Speaker 2: than that.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of times that quarterbacks will they
Speaker 2: have to take the blame for sacks, and this is
Speaker 2: a situation where Sam Darnold has to take some of
Speaker 2: the blame that I think they sack. He was sacked
Speaker 2: fifty seven times this year. You know, Russell Wilson would
Speaker 2: get sacked, Joe Burrow would get sacked. You know, there's
Speaker 2: certain guys who get sacked a lot, and that's, you know,
Speaker 2: in large part because you know Caleb Williams. You're trying
Speaker 2: to hold on, You're trying to make something happen. But
Speaker 2: give credit to the rams that rams and if you
Speaker 2: don't have to blitz. I mean, it's such a benefit
Speaker 2: when you just send your defensive line and then you're
Speaker 2: back in coverage and you put pressure. Now, this is
Speaker 2: what the Vikings were doing prior to the last two games.
Speaker 2: Brian Flores, that defensive coordinator, he was throwing all kinds
Speaker 2: of junk defenses, crazy stuff, and it worked until it didn't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the uh, if you're looking at at Sam Donald,
Speaker 4: I don't know how you and you're you're the Vikings
Speaker 4: front office, I don't know how you in the offseason
Speaker 4: sit justin Jefferson down at a meeting and say we're
Speaker 4: sticking with Sam. I just don't know how you can.
Speaker 4: I don't really know how you can look at any
Speaker 4: of those receivers and be like, Okay, I know it's
Speaker 4: a rough two weeks, but we're gonna stick with that. Dude,
Speaker 4: I just don't know how you can.
Speaker 2: But these aren't pedestrian numbers that he put up. Yeah pulling.
Speaker 5: It feels like last night he was exposed Sam Donald
Speaker 5: as a good not great quarterback, maybe like Rock Party
Speaker 5: has been somewhat exposed as good not great where under
Speaker 5: optimal conditions in November. He's fantastic in a playoff situation.
Speaker 5: There's so only so far he could take you, and
Speaker 5: Matthew Stafford feels the opposite, like you'd ignore the regular
Speaker 5: season on Matthew Stafford's in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: I trust this guy, yeah, but there's only so many
Speaker 2: quarterbacks who truly are game changing, you know, Lamar Is
Speaker 2: and Josh Allen Is, Patrick Mahomes, they're truly different than
Speaker 2: everybody else because you can have you know, and you
Speaker 2: can put Joe Burrow in there. I think Joe is
Speaker 2: legitimately great, but you still look at sort of that
Speaker 2: second tier and there's a big difference in that. I mean,
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts is a good quarterback, I don't think he's great.
Speaker 2: Justin Herbert, I think he's a good quarterback, I don't
Speaker 2: think he's great. There's a lot of them that are
Speaker 2: lumped in there. But there's only a couple that you go,
Speaker 2: oh my god, that guy with the ball game on
Speaker 2: the line, he'll make a difference. Sam Darnold's not one
Speaker 2: of those guys. Kirk Cousins is not one of those guys.
Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels is becoming one of those guys, like he's
Speaker 2: starting to sneak into the five of wow. And now
Speaker 2: let's see what he does. Because it's week by week.
Speaker 2: Your report guard is week by week, and then we go,
Speaker 2: all right, i'll give you an A, give you B minus.
Speaker 2: Sam Donald, I'm gonna give you a D. And then
Speaker 2: that's it. Then your final report card, and then you
Speaker 2: go into the off season. If you're the Vikings, you
Speaker 2: have to be extremely confident in JJ McCarthy. If not,
Speaker 2: you might have to say to Sam Donald, we're gonna
Speaker 2: franchise to you and pay you whatever forty four million
Speaker 2: dollars as an insurance policy.
Speaker 6: Yes, Fritzy, it's so easy to get caught up. I
Speaker 6: did two, fourteen and three. Wow, this guy is something.
Speaker 6: Look at the Vikings. But the weight of that Lion's
Speaker 6: loss and yesterday's loss, that's like three losses each from
Speaker 6: fourteen and three losing those two games.
Speaker 2: But I don't know what to take away from this
Speaker 2: with Sam Darnold. Like at the end of the season,
Speaker 2: if you say, how did Sam Darnald, do you know
Speaker 2: the totality of the season, I'd say good? Good?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: Is good worth fifty million dollars? Not to me? But
Speaker 2: then it's not my money? But then how many years
Speaker 2: has he earned? Or does he say, look, I can
Speaker 2: benefit from the market because there's no other free agent
Speaker 2: quarterbacks who were good or on my level that I'm
Speaker 2: going to be able. Not everybody gets a quarterback, and
Speaker 2: he might have to wait until the dust settles at
Speaker 2: the draft, and then that's when a team reaches out
Speaker 2: and says all right, And then if you get two
Speaker 2: teams in a bidding war, then maybe Sam Darnold is
Speaker 2: making you whatever three years, one, twenty something like that.
Speaker 2: And I thought that might be the direction the Vikings
Speaker 2: were going to go in. Is put him in that
Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield to you know, kind of financial slot.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Pauline, it reminds me a bunch of years ago,
Speaker 5: maybe ten years ago. Remember Carson Palmer was on Arizona
Speaker 5: his last stop, and he had that great twenty fifteen
Speaker 5: season where I think they were thirteen wins and he
Speaker 5: was an MVP candidate Comeback Player of the Year, and
Speaker 5: then he had playoff game I think where he threw
Speaker 5: five interceptions and it undid the entire season and he
Speaker 5: never got it back.
Speaker 2: The perception here is Kevin O'Connell, the Vikings head coach,
Speaker 2: on Sam Donald's season.
Speaker 7: You know, I think it's very important we all think about,
Speaker 7: you know, Sam's body of work, what he was able
Speaker 7: to do this year when not very many people thought
Speaker 7: he would be able to lead a team to fourteen wins.
Speaker 7: I'm very rare for a quarterback in their first year.
Speaker 7: In fact, it is rare the most wins by a
Speaker 7: first year quarterback with a team, and just the way
Speaker 7: he came in committed himself to just a daily process
Speaker 7: to be the best version of himself. It did not
Speaker 7: work out in the end. I'm proud of him, proud
Speaker 7: of you know, really everybody in that locker room, but
Speaker 7: Sam and the journey him and I went on this
Speaker 7: year will always you know, be a you know something
Speaker 7: that's a special place in my heart for sure.
Speaker 2: Well you got to back your guy, man, Kevin's doing
Speaker 2: the right thing. Sam Donald completed sixty eight percent of
Speaker 2: his passes and had a passer rating of one oh
Speaker 2: six point four, thirty five touchdowns, twelve interceptions through week seventeen.
Speaker 2: Then he completed fifty three percent of his passes, QB
Speaker 2: rating of sixty six point four, had one touchdown one
Speaker 2: interception in his last two games. So a dramatic fall off,
Speaker 2: and you wonder did these teams figure out something in
Speaker 2: this situation? Now. I always like it when somebody says, well,
Speaker 2: we got the blueprint. Well, there are certain teams that
Speaker 2: have the people to carry out a blueprint. I can
Speaker 2: have the blueprint to solve a Rubik's cube. That doesn't
Speaker 2: mean I'm going to solve it. I'll be like, damn,
Speaker 2: how did these kids do this?
Speaker 5: Yes, Paul, possible solution for next year for the Vikings
Speaker 5: play Sam Donald in the regular season, played JJ McCarthy
Speaker 5: in the postseason. He was great in the postseason for Michigan.
Speaker 5: Problem solve.
Speaker 2: Okay, did we come up with the pole question?
Speaker 8: Seaton?
Speaker 2: I think I asked you, I don't know if we
Speaker 2: got a couple of them.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, we got a few of them who had
Speaker 4: a worst day yesterday, Sam Donald or Mike McCarthy. Uh,
Speaker 4: you could argue the case that only one of them
Speaker 4: had a bad day.
Speaker 2: All right, You know what, I'm gonna discuss the Cowboys
Speaker 2: situation coming up, and maybe Mike McCarthy had a good
Speaker 2: day yesterday. Maybe what else do you have?
Speaker 4: Uh? How about is the Cowboys head coaching job desirable?
Speaker 4: According to Troy Aikman, No said that last night, but
Speaker 4: I still think it is. Well, we'll talk about him,
Speaker 4: all right, Got another one for me?
Speaker 2: Uh sure?
Speaker 4: How about how much money has Sam Darnold lost in
Speaker 4: the last two weeks? A ton a bunch. Somebody's still
Speaker 4: getting paid big time.
Speaker 2: What if you had that metal detector guy goes out
Speaker 2: on the field after the game? You know, those guys
Speaker 2: are on the beach walking around like, damn, these aren't coins.
Speaker 2: These are one hundred dollars bills that I'm picking up here.
Speaker 2: I felt bad for him because you don't root against somebody,
Speaker 2: and he was a good story. It just felt like
Speaker 2: he was shell shocked when he was going back to
Speaker 2: pass after the fourth or fifth sack. You almost go
Speaker 2: back going where's it coming from? And the last thing
Speaker 2: you want to do as a quarterback is be thinking
Speaker 2: about getting sacked. Now, you need to know where pressure's
Speaker 2: coming from. There's a difference of where's it coming from
Speaker 2: or which guy is going to make me hurt? And
Speaker 2: that was the feeling I had with the Rams last night.
Speaker 2: But give them credit. That's tying an NFL playoff record
Speaker 2: with nine sacks, putting the pressure therefore taking the pressure
Speaker 2: off the Rams offense. We'll take a break, we'll come back.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about the situation with Dion, with Jerry Jones,
Speaker 2: with Mike McCarthy, and asked the question will Mike McCarthy
Speaker 2: be a head coach in the NFL this next season?
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Speaker 2: We'll settle on our poll question. The Cowboys and Mike
Speaker 2: McCarthy have parted ways. Why did it take so long?
Speaker 2: You didn't let him interview with the Chicago Bears And
Speaker 2: I just kept under trying to understand what exactly is
Speaker 2: going on here. Then there was a report that they
Speaker 2: started negotiations. Then there was another report that they hadn't
Speaker 2: started negotiations, and then we kept wondering, are you missing
Speaker 2: out on that window to be able to interview Let's
Speaker 2: say you want to interview Ben Johnson of the Alliance,
Speaker 2: but you missed that opportunity because now this week he
Speaker 2: has to prepare for their next opponent, the Commanders or
Speaker 2: Aaron Glenn, whoever, you know, any of these coaching candidates.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if they were interested in Mike Brabel.
Speaker 2: It feels like Mike Brabel was going to the Patriots
Speaker 2: and that was a done deal. But are you interested
Speaker 2: in Ben Johnson? I'm going to read you something that
Speaker 2: Tim Callishaw Dallas Morning News. He'll join us coming up
Speaker 2: a little bit later on, and he talked about Dak Prescott, like, really,
Speaker 2: the person you're hiring has to be able to fix
Speaker 2: Dak Prescott, who I think is around thirty two now,
Speaker 2: had injuries, and Tim Callishaw says, Dak cannot run anymore.
Speaker 2: He had twenty four rushing yards through seven games when
Speaker 2: he tried to turn back the clock against Atlanta, rushing
Speaker 2: for thirty yards on three carries. The next thing you know,
Speaker 2: he was having hamstring surgery done for the year. Calashaw
Speaker 2: then goes on to say, that's twenty six games Dak
Speaker 2: Prescott is missed in the last five seasons, So that's
Speaker 2: just short of one third of the Cowboys' schedule. Immobile
Speaker 2: and injury prone question mark. Jerry Jones can't even afford
Speaker 2: to ponder those issues right now. Dak Prescott's two hundred
Speaker 2: and thirty one million dollars guaranteed deal. The owner can
Speaker 2: think only in terms of how to fix his quarterback.
Speaker 2: Who is best to equip to do that? Figure that out,
Speaker 2: and the Cowboys at least have a shot at getting
Speaker 2: back in the hunt. Fail on that front in his
Speaker 2: ninth coaching higher, and Jerry Jones is just spinning the
Speaker 2: wheels on his one storied and now lapping stock franchise
Speaker 2: one more time. You got to bring in an offensive
Speaker 2: minded person, correct or you got to bring in a
Speaker 2: great offensive coordinator, somebody who's going to fix Dak Prescott. Well,
Speaker 2: how do you fix a guy who can no longer run?
Speaker 2: Injury prone? Missing almost a third of his games, and
Speaker 2: the expectation level is cowboy like and that is let's
Speaker 2: get back to the playoffs, Let's get back to a
Speaker 2: title game, Let's get back to his super Bowl. Here.
Speaker 2: I know Dion Sanders and Jerry loves shiny objects. Dion
Speaker 2: is a shiny object. But is he the right person
Speaker 2: for this job. I think Dion is great at being
Speaker 2: a CEO, and by that I mean I don't know
Speaker 2: if he's a great coach. As much as he can
Speaker 2: run something, he can oversee something. I think he can
Speaker 2: hold people accountable. But I don't know if this is
Speaker 2: a situation where you go Dion. I don't think Dion
Speaker 2: makes Dak Prescott better. And I don't know if this
Speaker 2: story is real. Who does it benefit for this to
Speaker 2: get out Jerry, Well, Jerry just wants, you know, publicity. Hey,
Speaker 2: we're trying. We're trying. Everybody reaching out to Dion. People
Speaker 2: said Dion, you should reach out to Dion. Him reaching
Speaker 2: out to him, it helps Deon. What if Dion says, hey,
Speaker 2: I said, I'm committed to Colorado, I'm going to be
Speaker 2: staying here, Like if I'm a recruit, I want to know,
Speaker 2: are you really committed to this? And then there was
Speaker 2: a report maybe the Raiders and Tom Brady. There was
Speaker 2: another report that it's not going to happen. Dion is
Speaker 2: not a candidate for the Raiders. So is Dion a
Speaker 2: candidate for the Cowboys as of this morning? I would
Speaker 2: say he is, but I don't know the you know,
Speaker 2: the full validity of that. Is it true, is it accurate?
Speaker 2: Is it real? And I think that's what we have
Speaker 2: to kind of sort out. And Tim Callishaw, Will John
Speaker 2: is coming up at the top of next hour, and
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, Dion and Jerry are good friends.
Speaker 2: Is it a good story or is it a good situation,
Speaker 2: a real situation? And what happened with Mike McCarthy. I
Speaker 2: kept reading that they wanted to extend. They were going
Speaker 2: to extend in for one more year, one more year.
Speaker 2: That was it. And if you're Mike McCarthy, that's a
Speaker 2: slap in the face. I mean, you're a borderline Hall
Speaker 2: of Fame coach, you won a Super Bowl, you got
Speaker 2: a pretty impressive resume, and Jerry's gonna treat you like that?
Speaker 2: Does he really want you? It's like you're gonna get divorced.
Speaker 2: You don't want somebody to date the person that you're divorcing,
Speaker 2: but then you don't want to keep that team, that person.
Speaker 2: That's the feeling I get. Mike McCarthy. We questioned the
Speaker 2: hiring from the beginning. I thought he did a pretty
Speaker 2: good job. But Jerry doesn't want see Dion. I think
Speaker 2: would he would return fire on Jerry. I think that
Speaker 2: he would. He would question things, at least I would
Speaker 2: hope that he would. If you want to go in
Speaker 2: there and succeed, you have to be able to stand
Speaker 2: up to Jerry and say no. And nobody's done that.
Speaker 2: He's hired people who won't do that, can't do that,
Speaker 2: not willing to do that. Dion's different. But you got
Speaker 2: to fix Dak Prescott because you gave him all that
Speaker 2: money and you're stuck with him. Two hundred and thirty
Speaker 2: one million dollars for a guy who's thirty two and
Speaker 2: injury prone. It's not a great situation. And you got
Speaker 2: to pay Micah Parsons, you paid C. D. Lamb. So
Speaker 2: you have a couple of nice, shiny objects, but what
Speaker 2: do you really have. It's like a necklace where you have,
Speaker 2: you know, three or four beautiful pearls and everything else
Speaker 2: is artificial and that's sort of where the Cowboys are.
Speaker 2: You know, the Commanders, they're in the playoffs, the Eagles
Speaker 2: in the playoffs. Then you have the Cowboys and you
Speaker 2: have the Giants. Will the Giants figure it out? Will
Speaker 2: they figure it out before the Cowboys do? Yeah, Pauling,
Speaker 2: I want to.
Speaker 5: Go back to Mike McCarthy and I'm going to present
Speaker 5: you a theory and let me know what you think
Speaker 5: of it. Is there any chance, because we don't believe
Speaker 5: in mutual breakups, someone walks in the room with the
Speaker 5: agenda to leave or to stay. Is it possible that
Speaker 5: Mike McCarthy spent this past week looking at the situation,
Speaker 5: asked for way too much, or also saw that it's
Speaker 5: going to be a short term ish contract and said,
Speaker 5: I'm going to keep asking for things until Jerry says no.
Speaker 5: Then I can exit here without saying I quit or left.
Speaker 5: And there are other options for me the Chicago or
Speaker 5: other that will give me a five year deal with
Speaker 5: a full contract and a real GM. Is there any
Speaker 5: chance Mike McCarthy was the person who made this happen.
Speaker 2: Well, I think you can ask for it out of
Speaker 2: professional pride, I would say to Jerry, I want three
Speaker 2: years here. I can't go year to year because if
Speaker 2: you're a player, you just, whether it's consciously or subconsciously,
Speaker 2: you lose respect for the situation. Like that coach, he
Speaker 2: doesn't think enough of him to give him security. It's
Speaker 2: like what they did with the Bears with Matt Eberflus.
Speaker 2: It's like they're blamed uck, you're not going to be
Speaker 2: back here. And Mike McCarthy has he's earned more than
Speaker 2: just hey, we're going to keep you around for another year.
Speaker 2: And I don't blame Mike. You know, maybe he will benefit,
Speaker 2: maybe he will get a long term deal. I just
Speaker 2: don't know. You know, there's a report this morning that
Speaker 2: you know, maybe the Bears are going to go after
Speaker 2: Pete Carroll. Okay, so then the Raiders aren't going to
Speaker 2: bring in Mike McCarthy. Is Ben Johnson going to go there?
Speaker 2: Do you want the Saints? John Is that available for him? See,
Speaker 2: you start to look at these there's a reason why
Speaker 2: these teams have openings. The Saint situation doesn't seem like
Speaker 2: it's a really winnable situation. So I don't know if
Speaker 2: he's coaching next year, even with that experience, that resume
Speaker 2: I'm not bringing him in unless it's that guy is
Speaker 2: the right guy for our team. Well, I think he's
Speaker 2: the right guy for an experienced team, but a team
Speaker 2: that he can also be the head coach of and
Speaker 2: not be a puppet. And Dallas he was a puppet.
Speaker 2: And this is you know, Jerry's m O. But I
Speaker 2: don't think Mike McCarthy. I would be surprised if he's
Speaker 2: coaching next season. And then the bear situation with Pete Carroll. Okay,
Speaker 2: I heard he did. He had a great interview. Now
Speaker 2: it's rare when you don't. When you hear Boyce somebody
Speaker 2: had a terrible interview, you're always hearing man, he had
Speaker 2: a great interview. I don't know what that means, you know,
Speaker 2: don't did you pick up the check? Like what happened?
Speaker 2: Where you go? Man? That's a great interview.
Speaker 5: Yes, Mike Rabel was on his introductory press conference yesterday
Speaker 5: with the Patriots and talked about his first ever coaching
Speaker 5: interview is for Ervin Meyer in Ohio State.
Speaker 2: And he goes, I blew it. I was terrible.
Speaker 5: I didn't have anything prepared. I didn't know what he's
Speaker 5: going to ask, he said, I blew my first job interview.
Speaker 5: He was very candidate about it yesterday.
Speaker 2: But this is where you have these coaching candidates who
Speaker 2: go in and then they find out how to interview
Speaker 2: and that it helps them down the road. And I
Speaker 2: think that's where we look at the Rooney rule and
Speaker 2: sometimes you say, well, that candidate's not going to get
Speaker 2: the job, but you do get the experience of what
Speaker 2: that's like to go in and interview. And I always
Speaker 2: go back to Mike Tomlin when he went in there,
Speaker 2: and he might have been just a we got to
Speaker 2: bring in this guy the Rooney rule. We got to
Speaker 2: interview a minority when he came in and blew everybody away,
Speaker 2: And maybe you get that opportunity. But I don't know
Speaker 2: if Mike McCarthy's going to come in and go, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm your answer here. I don't believe that. But you know,
Speaker 2: maybe I'm jaded because what happened in Dallas, it just
Speaker 2: felt like we were looking at Mike and you didn't
Speaker 2: really see the head coach on the sidelines. You just
Speaker 2: saw a guy who that was his title. Eight seven
Speaker 2: seven three DP show email address DP at Danpatrick dot com,
Speaker 2: Twitter handle at DP show. We'll talk to Tim Kalishaw
Speaker 2: Dallas Morning News. He'll join us top of the hour. Also,
Speaker 2: Kurt Warner will stop by. He was on the call
Speaker 2: of the game last night. Jay in North Carolina, Good morning, Jay,
Speaker 2: what's on your mind?
Speaker 12: Hey Dan, longtime listener.
Speaker 13: I love you guys.
Speaker 12: I had two thoughts and one was a T shirt idea.
Speaker 12: When the Chiefs complete that three p damn three pay?
Speaker 2: All right? Well, thank you Jay.
Speaker 12: If the Rams upset the Eagles, imagine the Rams and
Speaker 12: Lions to go to the Super Bowl. Stafford could rip
Speaker 12: the hearts out of a Lion fans.
Speaker 2: That would be tough. If you're a Lions fan, Stafford
Speaker 2: goes wins the Super Bowl, then you feel great about
Speaker 2: your team and then here comes Matthew Stafford again. Rip
Speaker 2: your heart out. Brent in Georgia, Hi Brent, what's on
Speaker 2: your mind? Abp out the going? Hey?
Speaker 13: All right, So I think what you saw last night
Speaker 13: is why Sam Darnold has been regulated as a career back.
Speaker 13: The dude has a tail, and any defense can see it.
Speaker 13: I can see it from my couch. The dude gets
Speaker 13: scared to death in big moments and it's all over
Speaker 13: his face. And a defense is going to eat that up.
Speaker 13: So while he may be good in regular season when
Speaker 13: the pressure is not high, he's those good numbers, has
Speaker 13: all these good numbers. You have to look at more
Speaker 13: than just numbers. And the guy just don't have it
Speaker 13: in big moments and a defense is going to just
Speaker 13: tear him up. And I think that's his and he
Speaker 13: can't hide it. He shows it all over his face.
Speaker 13: And I think that's why he really called himself a
Speaker 13: butler of money last night.
Speaker 2: Oh he did? Yeah, I think so. Like that was
Speaker 2: a perception game. We kept saying, Okay, can he erase
Speaker 2: what happened against the Lions? Can he zero in win
Speaker 2: this game? That you were a favorite and they had
Speaker 2: it on a neutral site in Arizona and he looked overwhelmed.
Speaker 2: But give credit to the Rams. They overwhelmed him as well.
Speaker 2: Tim and Iowa hide Tim, what's on your mind.
Speaker 14: More than Dan? How we doing today?
Speaker 1: Goodbye?
Speaker 8: Good hey? Real quick?
Speaker 14: Just a different perspective on this game last night, and
Speaker 14: that is I realize with every sack Sam Darnold lost money,
Speaker 14: but he lost twice this year to the same team
Speaker 14: and the Lions and the Rams. I don't think there's
Speaker 14: enough onus being put on the coaching staff for not
Speaker 14: being ready to have an offensive line game plan to
Speaker 14: protect him, to allow him to do his job correctly.
Speaker 14: I mean, I know he didn't look good, He looked scared,
Speaker 14: he was tentative. But I mean, isn't Koc this great
Speaker 14: offensive mind. How did he not have the defense package
Speaker 14: up front to block for these defenses they're coming at him,
Speaker 14: especially after he just saw how Aaron Glenn got at
Speaker 14: him the week before. I just to me it was
Speaker 14: more of a coaching issue to put Sam in a
Speaker 14: position where he was just getting beaten all day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's fair fair to bring that up.
Speaker 2: And you're right with Kevin O'Connell, and if we can
Speaker 2: get him on, I would ask him that what did
Speaker 2: you see against the Lions that maybe you weren't aware
Speaker 2: of that the Rams were going to do the same thing.
Speaker 2: But Sam didn't play well. It comes down to the quarterback.
Speaker 2: If he played well, we'd be talking about Sam Darnold
Speaker 2: made himself money. But he didn't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, I mean that's sort of like the problem
Speaker 4: was compounded, where you know, when he was getting sacked,
Speaker 4: he was getting hit hard to it seemed likely he
Speaker 4: wasn't just getting taken down, he was getting crushed. But
Speaker 4: even then on those moments where he was able to
Speaker 4: get the ball out, he either overthrew the ball through
Speaker 4: it behind somebody. He wasn't even making the simple plays
Speaker 4: that he has to make.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I do I have to, you know, factor
Speaker 2: in Kevin O'Connell, because I've said he's a great coach,
Speaker 2: probably going to be Coach of the year, offensive minded guy,
Speaker 2: former quarterback. You got to find something because it felt
Speaker 2: like they kept doing the same thing and the Rams
Speaker 2: had no reason to alter their scheme. Andrew in Washington morning, Andrew, Hey.
Speaker 15: Good morning, Dan Dennets, Thanks for taking my call. Yeah,
Speaker 15: I had a comment on Sam Darnold too. I think
Speaker 15: during last night's broadcast it was brought up how when
Speaker 15: pressure would come he would run out of the pocket
Speaker 15: instead of just maybe take a step up and slide,
Speaker 15: which then he would keep his gaze downfield to his
Speaker 15: open wide receivers who's missing, you know, wide open wide receivers.
Speaker 15: So you know that's something like Sam seeing ghost Donald
Speaker 15: back in the day of New York Jets. I mean,
Speaker 15: I think that's what we saw, and that's what the
Speaker 15: previous caller had talked about my question is lose that
Speaker 15: much money? The reason being is we were just talking
Speaker 15: a few weeks ago about how you know, forty one
Speaker 15: point three million guaranteed franchise tag would be a steal
Speaker 15: for him, So that was what he was going to get.
Speaker 15: Is he not going to get a contract that has
Speaker 15: more than forty million dollars guaranteed after this?
Speaker 2: Well, that's what Paulie keeps saying. PAULI would like to
Speaker 2: spin it that Sam Donald will still get paid, but
Speaker 2: probably by somebody else.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's a good call. I was going
Speaker 5: to say that he will probably not get franchise tag.
Speaker 5: He might not be a Viking next year, but this
Speaker 5: may open the door for the free agent become of
Speaker 5: the free agent class because the free agent class this
Speaker 5: year is terrible. The other top people are like Justin
Speaker 5: Fields and Desmond Ritter and Kyle Trask and Drew Locke.
Speaker 5: Those are the free agents, and it's also a small
Speaker 5: quarterback draft his depth. Sam Darnald may actually get to
Speaker 5: test the free agent market this year and get He
Speaker 5: may get three years, seventy million dollars from a blank team,
Speaker 5: but at least there's a future there if he stays
Speaker 5: in three for seventy, Well, I'm just saying, like, let's
Speaker 5: say it was a low end contract.
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's backup quarterback. Almost three for seventy. He's
Speaker 2: getting twenty you know, twenty three million dollars. Yeah, he
Speaker 2: made ten million this year. He's gonna make if somebody
Speaker 2: signs him, he'll make probably you know, thirty eight to
Speaker 2: forty five million dollars a year.
Speaker 5: And feel that and there's more chance now that he
Speaker 5: will not be franchise tagged right.
Speaker 2: That I don't know, you know, if they say JJ
Speaker 2: McCarthy's healthy and I have no idea, that's the great mystery.
Speaker 2: It was a mystery that they were all in on
Speaker 2: him because we never saw him be put the game
Speaker 2: on my back, I'm gonna win games for you. At Michigan,
Speaker 2: he was just a really good college quarterback. I'm assuming
Speaker 2: that Kevin O'Connell knows, you know, that what he has
Speaker 2: with him, and he will be a starting quarterback, a
Speaker 2: great quarterback, or at least the potential to be great. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I have looking.
Speaker 4: Let's see this year, Gino Smith getting twenty five Okay,
Speaker 4: he's Sam Donald is gonna get more than that. Yes,
Speaker 4: Baker Mayfield is at thirty three. Yeah, Derek Carr and
Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers are at thirty seven and a half each.
Speaker 4: I guess you could stop me when you think we're
Speaker 4: going to get to where Sam Donald.
Speaker 2: Oh, I think it's right in that that neighborhood Dafford
Speaker 2: is that forty? I think it's thirty five. Well, it's
Speaker 2: also the next guy up as well with all you know,
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, when did he sign that contract? When did
Speaker 2: Derek Carr sign that contract? And so where are Maybe
Speaker 2: it's you know, upper thirties for Sam Donald.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's also at the timing it out with other
Speaker 4: next guys up who shouldn't have been paid, probably like
Speaker 4: Kirk Cousins has been run out. He was the next
Speaker 4: guy up. Probably shouldn't have gotten that money, right, No, No,
Speaker 4: I mean obviously Deshaun Watson hasn't worked out.
Speaker 11: That wasn't great. Let's let's wait.
Speaker 2: Till give it time, give it time, Let's wait till
Speaker 2: he comes back for the second Achilles surgery. There, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: calls in here. By the way, you're looking at Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy has had at He's had eleven seasons of
Speaker 2: ten or more wins in his career. The Bears have
Speaker 2: had three seasons of ten or more wins period. But
Speaker 2: I don't think that he is attractive to the Bears
Speaker 2: fan base, not that you have to try to placate them.
Speaker 2: You want to get the right guy, and if you
Speaker 2: get the right guy, then they'll accept him. But Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 2: how many coaches have had eleven seasons of ten or
Speaker 2: more wins in their careers? We should check on that
Speaker 2: the Bears have had three seasons of ten or more wins.
Speaker 2: But it feels like and I don't know how legitimate
Speaker 2: this is, but Pete Carroll was getting. It feels like
Speaker 2: a lot of traction with Chicago. I was told last
Speaker 2: night that Ben Johnson the Raiders makes more sense because
Speaker 2: he doesn't want to go against the Lions and Dan
Speaker 2: Campbell being in the same conference. Whether that's true or not,
Speaker 2: I think also the allure of Tom Brady and Tom
Speaker 2: Brady is making decisions with the Raiders. It feels like
Speaker 2: he's making the decisions with the Raiders. Ben in Minnesota, Hi, Ben,
Speaker 2: what's on your mind today?
Speaker 13: Good morning?
Speaker 15: Dan?
Speaker 8: Six?
Speaker 2: Five?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I was just curious. I know, Sam Donald, he's
Speaker 8: probably done as a Viking, but I'm just saying that
Speaker 8: he's going to be totally thrown to the bus because
Speaker 8: the deef since the coordinary. I'll coach both games against
Speaker 8: the Rams and the Lions the last games that we
Speaker 8: played them. And my other hope is that I'm hoping
Speaker 8: Jefferson doesn't become the next Viking receiver who wants to
Speaker 8: get out of town, you know more Row's what happened
Speaker 8: with Diggs and Moss.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did think about that last night.
Speaker 13: Ben.
Speaker 2: It's like at some point, you know, and receivers have
Speaker 2: been enabled, like they're like, I you know what, I
Speaker 2: want this, I want out. I'm not happy with this.
Speaker 2: I don't know if Justin Jefferson is, you know, that's
Speaker 2: his personality. But I did wonder about that last night,
Speaker 2: yess Mark.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So the pressure is going to be on JJ
Speaker 6: McCarthy if they get rid of Sam Darnold, because it's
Speaker 6: gonna be a JJ. It's your responsibility to give us
Speaker 6: another thirteen fourteen one season and to keep Justin Jefferson happy.
Speaker 2: Uh, John and Cincinnati, Hi John, Dan.
Speaker 16: Thank you very much, appreciate the time. Just curious your perspective.
Speaker 16: Why is Ryan Day never mentioned in any of these
Speaker 16: coaching searches. It seems like every year there's three or
Speaker 16: four college coaches, and as successful as he's been, he's
Speaker 16: just never really mentioned.
Speaker 2: I don't know that I suggested that he would have
Speaker 2: been a better hire in Jacksonville than urban Meyer. But
Speaker 2: I had heard that from a scout that if you're
Speaker 2: going to try to develop Trevor Lawrence, urban Meyer is
Speaker 2: not the guy. Now, of course it was a disaster.
Speaker 2: I don't know if Ryan Day aspires to do that.
Speaker 2: I don't like he might just be a college coach,
Speaker 2: but I suggested that he would have been a better
Speaker 2: higher than urban Meyer.
Speaker 5: Yeah, pum, I had to look up Ryan Day's resume,
Speaker 5: but he was a college coach for years and years,
Speaker 5: and then twenty fifteen he was the Eagles quarterbacks coach.
Speaker 5: In twenty sixteen, he was a Niners quarterbacks coach right
Speaker 5: before he went back to Ohio State.
Speaker 2: M So maybe he does want that eventually. Maybe if
Speaker 2: he wins a national title, he'd put it out there.
Speaker 2: But you know, they're reaching out to Marcus Freeman reportedly
Speaker 2: instead of Ryan Day. Sean in Oregon. Hey Sean, what's
Speaker 2: on your mind?
Speaker 8: Well, Sam Donald, that's on my mind a little bit.
Speaker 12: And you know, I'm thinking that he is what he is.
Speaker 12: You know, he's been a backup quarterback and I think
Speaker 12: he's probably gonna go back to being a backup quarterback.
Speaker 12: I mean, I don't think these guys are going to
Speaker 12: try to make him like a like. You see the
Speaker 12: nervous energy on that guy. You see the panic. It
Speaker 12: looks like he's running out of a fire. A good
Speaker 12: quarterback doesn't do that. A good quarterback is always like calm, cool, collective,
Speaker 12: and he's comfortable in chaos. You'll never see Joe Burrow
Speaker 12: or Joe Montana, Russell Wilson, he wouldn't have a look.
Speaker 8: On his face like that. And I just I'm not
Speaker 8: buying into this.
Speaker 12: I think people get a small sample size and they
Speaker 12: think they know what's going on. They see a few
Speaker 12: games here, they see a few games there, and this
Speaker 12: is just not gonna It's just not gonna work out. Dan,
Speaker 12: I just don't believe in it. I'm not going to
Speaker 12: buy into it at all.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think you can accidentally throw thirty five
Speaker 2: touchdown passes. So I have to be fair to Sam Darnald.
Speaker 2: He was in a bad situation with the Jets and
Speaker 2: then you get relegated to a backup quarterback and he
Speaker 2: got kicked to the curb, and you know, then he
Speaker 2: ends up in San Francisco's a backup quarterback, and then
Speaker 2: Minnesota is like, I mean, if they thought that much
Speaker 2: about Sam, they wouldn't have drafted JJ McCarthy because JJ
Speaker 2: McCarthy is what three years younger than him. So it's
Speaker 2: not like you're saying, hey, we got this guy and
Speaker 2: we're gonna get you know, he's old and he'll give
Speaker 2: us one or two years. You weren't, you know, completely
Speaker 2: sold and you probably bought brought him in for an
Speaker 2: insurance policy. With JJ McCarthy, I don't think that's going
Speaker 2: to be the case. I think Sam Darnold would get
Speaker 2: paid and we're gonna then find out just how good
Speaker 2: he is, because the teams that need quarterbacks are the
Speaker 2: teams that aren't very good. Seaton update the poll results
Speaker 2: from the first hour. If you can, yeah, we.
Speaker 4: Got up there right now, is the Cowboys head coaching
Speaker 4: job a desirable job right now? Your options there at
Speaker 4: yes or no. Right now, seventy eight percent of the
Speaker 4: audience have it as a no, not a desirable job.
Speaker 2: It's still the coach of the Cowboys. You may not
Speaker 2: like the quarterback, you may not like the owner, but
Speaker 2: you like the title. And you got to be wired
Speaker 2: to be able to be the head coach. Either you're
Speaker 2: a very submissive person and you're going to allow to
Speaker 2: be bossed around by Jerry, or are you going to
Speaker 2: be able to stand up and say to Jerry you
Speaker 2: want me to coach, let me coach. If not, go
Speaker 2: out and find somebody else who is going to listen
Speaker 2: and do everything that you ask them to do. We'll
Speaker 2: talk to Tim Callishaw the Dallas Morning News. Kurt Warner
Speaker 2: will stop by as well. One Hour in the Books,
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