1 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with 2 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: Me your Girl. Daniel Moody recording from the home bunker, Folks, 3 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: I am very excited about today's episode. For five or 4 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 1: six years, I can't even think about how much time 5 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: has passed. And let me be one hundred percent sure, 6 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: because you know, time is I don't even know what 7 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: do they say? Time is a construct? But for a 8 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: really long time, let's see, for six years, for six years, 9 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 1: I just I had to do the math. For six years, 10 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: Andrew Marcello has been the producer extraordinaire behind WOKF, behind 11 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: WOKF when WOKF was that serious, then when it moved 12 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: to DNR and d CP, and now with me still 13 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: at iHeart and I can't tell you how much of 14 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: a pleasure and just an extraordinary opportunity to work with 15 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: someone who is just as passionate about the topics that 16 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 1: you cover, about the work that you do as you 17 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: do right. And it isn't often to have a colleague 18 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: who just gets it and gets you. And that's how 19 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: I have felt about Andrew for the last six years. 20 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 1: In the work that we've done to build woke F 21 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 1: into a brand, into a show into something that has, 22 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: you know, a footprint and robust commentary on the world 23 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: that we are living in. And so today I'm very 24 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: happy to welcome Andrew back on Mike to have a 25 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: conversation about what pride means to him this year. And 26 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: you know what, how do we we at WOKF have 27 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: made it our theme this month to say you can't 28 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 1: ban queer joy, But we also recognize that being joyful 29 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: holding joy in this moment of great despair and stress 30 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: a job in and of itself. And so we get 31 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: into a very real conversation about how we hold these things, 32 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 1: how we hold the complications of this moment, and give 33 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: some advice and some thoughts on how we can all 34 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: do our part to help things feel a little bit 35 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 1: better and look a little bit better. So coming up 36 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: next my conversation with my producer extraordinaire Andrew Marshella. Folks, 37 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: I am so excited to welcome to the show. This 38 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: is not and it's weird to welcome in front of 39 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: the camera, I guess on the actual microphone, not to 40 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: the show, which is my producer extraordinaire of WOKF for 41 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 1: the last Oh my God, five six years one does 42 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: not even know Andrew Marcello, who is the person that 43 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: makes wok F tick and happen, and it's here and 44 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: queer with us as we wrap up Pride. You can't 45 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: ban queer joy on WOKF. Andrew, Welcome in front of 46 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: the mic. 47 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 2: Yes, it's good to see you. 48 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: It is good to see you. So all month long, 49 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: we've had amazing people come on and talk about Pride 50 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: and they're feeling about Pride in this season, and we've 51 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: made it our you know, theme to talk about joy 52 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: and how difficult it is right how difficult it is 53 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: to find joy during this time. So I want to 54 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: ask you, how has Pride landed with you this season? 55 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: How do you have you felt about Pride this season? 56 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 2: I think to start, I would say that when we 57 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 2: were just to pull the curtain back a little bit 58 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 2: for the audience, when we were discussing the theme for 59 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 2: this month. You know, last year, if you were not 60 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 2: a okay if listener back then, or you know, if 61 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 2: you recall last year, our theme was Pride as a 62 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 2: Riot because at the time there was a lot of 63 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 2: what we referred to as rainbow capitalism and just you know, 64 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 2: literally like banks and all these institutions putting up rainbows 65 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 2: for you know, on June first, and then on June 66 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 2: thirtieth they go away and everything goes back to the 67 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 2: status quo. So, you know, at the time, it was like, 68 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 2: let's remember that pride started as like a fight for 69 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 2: our rights, and now here we are a year later 70 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 2: and we don't have to be reminded. And so I 71 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 2: think the idea of emphasizing queer joy was great and 72 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 2: admirable in its intent, but the not But at the 73 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 2: same time, the unfortunate reality is that we are fighting 74 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 2: a lot, and so if anything, it should be a 75 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 2: reminder that, like queer joy is a necessity. And like 76 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 2: you know, some people have said this month that queer 77 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 2: joy can also be a tool for fighting, and I 78 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 2: believe in that as well. But it's also this year 79 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 2: strikingly difficult two be joyous in the face of everything. 80 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just feel I feel you, and I feel similarly, 81 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: I feel like you know, I long for the days 82 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 1: where the conversation was about the critique of the corporatization 83 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,919 Speaker 1: of pride and not the erasure of pride. And I 84 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: feel like we have now moved back into a space 85 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 1: where we are being forced back into the closet in 86 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: so many ways, and or just targets, actual literal targets 87 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: being placed on the backs of trans people in this 88 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 1: country and trans youth in particular. And I wanted to 89 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: get a sense from you. You know, you have been 90 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: a part of a time where you've both witnessed marriage 91 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,359 Speaker 1: equality happened, were old enough to like be like, oh 92 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 1: my god, look at this marriage equality it has happened, 93 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: and then also watched the fierce backlash that has happened 94 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: in less than a decade after that momentous day. And 95 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: I want to know, like, for somebody who you know 96 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 1: has witnessed this at a younger age than myself, like 97 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: how that happened? Like what are all those emotions of like, oh, 98 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 1: it's possible. I guess it's not like, oh, we're making 99 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: feel like it's not possible. 100 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 2: So I definitely wouldn't say, like, I to be clear 101 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 2: for the audience, I'm thirty. I turned thirty within the 102 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 2: last year. I and a lot of people who are 103 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 2: around like my mindset and my age, we still believe 104 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 2: that a better world is possible. But we've been slinging 105 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 2: the phrase a better world as possible since twenty fifteen, 106 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 2: and I'll be honest, compared to how we felt in 107 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, it's a lot harder to feel that a 108 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 2: better world is possible. I still want to feel that. 109 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 2: It's not just a desire to feel that way. I 110 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 2: can't possibly not believe that a better world than this 111 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 2: is not only possible theoretically, because like, how can a 112 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 2: better world than this not be possible, but also that 113 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 2: a better world than this is possible, a better society, 114 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 2: a better America, whatever. But I really think a better 115 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:02,679 Speaker 2: world than this is possib in reality, but it takes 116 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 2: so much, And that's that conversation is like so beyond 117 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 2: I think the scope of what we're talking about today 118 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 2: and the scope of my own knowledge and expertise. But 119 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 2: absolutely I believe a better world is possible. But it's 120 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 2: I think if we had started on the path to 121 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 2: a better world eight years ago compared to now, the 122 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 2: fight would have been a lot less difficult. And I 123 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 2: feel that a lot of ways. I feel that in 124 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 2: regard to climate change and all this other stuff. But yes, unfortunately, 125 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 2: you know, you said a decade. I even feel like, 126 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 2: you know, maybe five years, because I don't even feel 127 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 2: it was, because everything was, but I don't even feel 128 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 2: like it was a big focus of the Trump administration. 129 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: It's right, you, Yeah, that's true, that's true. No goad. 130 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 2: But but you've called this out, and I'm glad you 131 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 2: you mentioned trans people specifically, because I don't in this 132 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 2: conversation when a center just myself, I am a pan sexual, 133 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 2: CIS white man right now in a hetero relationship, even 134 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 2: though I can be in relationships with people of any gender, 135 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 2: but I'm I'm sis and the whatever I'm experiencing, whatever 136 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 2: emotions I'm experiencing, is nothing compared to the oppression and 137 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 2: the repression that and the depression to be frank that 138 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 2: trans people are facing around the country. And I do 139 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 2: think that that sort of started to be a focus 140 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 2: of maybe not like the Trump administration, but certainly the 141 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 2: right wing movement. And this is something where I think 142 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 2: the US is often a leader around the world and hate, 143 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 2: but I feel like this is something where like maybe 144 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 2: there was trans not maybe there was transphobia in the US, absolutely, 145 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 2: and it's sort of it. It diminished from if you 146 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 2: think about like the nineties and the two thousands, comedy 147 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 2: movies and the things that were like to punchlines. We 148 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 2: still have progress from that time, but we had definitely 149 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 2: like progressed. We weren't in that society anymore. And that's 150 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 2: a good thing, and for some people that was not 151 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 2: a good thing. But what I'm trying to get at is, 152 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 2: like I think, when this stuff that we saw coming 153 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 2: out of Great Britain and the UK, and like I'll 154 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 2: call them by their name because they're proud of it now, 155 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 2: TERFs the trans exclusionary radical feminists who shouldn't like that 156 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 2: term came from Tumblr because at the time that was 157 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 2: people who like were in the radical feminist movement, which 158 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 2: is a fringe of a fringe. And then also those 159 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 2: people were radical feminists who excluded trans women. That is 160 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 2: all that turf, And now like turf is almost like 161 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:25,439 Speaker 2: euphemistic to refer to anyone who's transphobic. You don't have 162 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:26,839 Speaker 2: to be a feminist, you don't have to be a 163 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 2: radical feminist. If you hate trans women, you're a So 164 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:33,319 Speaker 2: that's trans misogyny, that's not terfism, yep. And you should 165 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 2: call things by their name. And I'm not like calling 166 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 2: you out. I'm just saying, like I'm on a big 167 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 2: stream of consciousness. Now, there was so much I wanted 168 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 2: to say. 169 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: No, but I mean, I but I think that it's Look, one, 170 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: you brought up a couple of really important things. I 171 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: think it's really interesting that during the four years of 172 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: the Trump administration, for as horrendous as it was right 173 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: for people of color, for undocumented people, for you know, 174 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:01,719 Speaker 1: for a whole for you know, our national security, all 175 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: of these things, the crowning, you know, jewel of the 176 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: Trump administration was not to go after the LGBTQ community 177 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: Like that was not what Donald Trump spent the last 178 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: the four years of his administration doing and so for me. 179 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: But he's doing it. He's doing it now in order 180 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: to keep pace with the other Republicans, namely Ron DeSantis 181 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: out of Florida, who has made it right, who has 182 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: made it his like his entree into politics in a 183 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 1: real way. Look how big and bad I am. Look 184 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: how tough I am to take on this marginalized community 185 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: and be as cruel as possible. Look, I can be 186 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: cruel too, Right, He needed a target because when Donald 187 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: Trump came down the escalator, he said, my target is 188 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: Mexicans and Muslims, and you know, and these people of color. 189 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: Rond Desant is like, oh, that was taken, so I 190 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: got to find another group that I can target and right, 191 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: So I think that that is really interesting, but also 192 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: a throwback to the nineteen eighties, to the Save Our 193 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: Children campaign, to all of the things that this set 194 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: of people white Evangelical Christians were doing in the eighties. 195 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: They've just remixed it for the twenty first century. And 196 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: when I think about that, I think about everything that 197 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 1: is old is always new again if you refuse to 198 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: teach history and you refuse to create guardrails to make 199 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: sure that those things can't come back and don't come back. 200 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: And I just you know, you said that you like 201 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: remain hopeful in terms of wanting to believe that we 202 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 1: can do better than what we are doing right now. 203 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: And I swear to God if I didn't believe that, 204 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: I wouldn't get out of bed. However, do you what 205 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: are your feelings about the generations that preceded you and 206 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: the mistakes that were made to not guard and ensure 207 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: that we weren't going to continue to backslide every time 208 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: we made a bit of progress. 209 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 2: That's a big question, because as you were talking and 210 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 2: I actually wanted to address this before too, because you 211 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 2: asked me a question previously, and I thought about so 212 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 2: many things when you were asking me that. So I 213 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 2: kind of want to go back to like my own 214 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 2: story just really quickly, because I was born in the 215 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 2: early nineties and I grew up in this sort of 216 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 2: like post Reagan slash hw Bush. Like Clinton was a 217 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 2: very post Reagan president. I feel that, you know, having 218 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 2: learned American history, the Clinton years were sort of a 219 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 2: post Reagan society and through pros and cons of that, 220 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 2: but socially, you know, my uncle is gay, and that 221 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 2: was the era of don't ask, don't tell, and I 222 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 2: think the don't ask, don't tell policy in the military 223 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 2: kind of set a tone socially at least for what 224 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 2: was going on in my white suburban world. Because my 225 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 2: uncle had a domestic partner. They lived in a house 226 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 2: together and had two dogs, and it like so I 227 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 2: would ask, you know, is uncle Tom married? Are they 228 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,439 Speaker 2: are the two of them married? And I would get 229 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 2: told no. They would tell me, as a child to 230 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 2: my face, that that my uncle's domestic partner was not 231 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 2: his husband, which it was true, but like you know 232 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 2: what I mean, and they at a certain point when 233 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 2: I learned more, it became he's not gay, which was 234 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 2: a lie. They were lying to me as a child. 235 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 2: And so I think about like when people say things 236 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 2: like how am I going to talk teachers? How am 237 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 2: I going to tell my children? How am I going 238 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 2: to explain this to my children? It's the explanation, isn't 239 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 2: the problem? You just don't want your kids to know? 240 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 2: And we're going back to that. And I see so 241 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 2: much of that, and then we went through the Bush 242 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 2: years and all this other stuff. But ultimately a society 243 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 2: I alluded to, like you know, transphobia in movies, and 244 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 2: I think just in general as a society, you know, 245 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 2: we stopped using the f slur. There were things that 246 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 2: were progress, and now I feel that progress is being 247 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 2: clawed back, and maybe even to an era that I 248 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 2: didn't exist, which is scary, like to think about the 249 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 2: desire to go back to like the Reagan era, or 250 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 2: even on like abortion rights, you know, back further like they. 251 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 2: But but to address your direct question, which is how 252 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 2: do I feel about the previous generations, it's complicated because 253 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 2: I tend to think that like people on a on 254 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 2: a on a micro scale, on an individual scale don't 255 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 2: have a lot of power. And I think there was 256 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 2: a lot of institutional uh erosion of the power of 257 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 2: the people in the decades before I was born. And 258 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 2: I don't entirely think of that as society's fault. I'm 259 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 2: sure you know, people were voted into power, there were 260 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 2: desires that voted in people into power. I blame really 261 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 2: those people, the people whose desire it was to take 262 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 2: society backwards. It's hard for me to fault people in general, 263 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 2: because you know, some people were beaten down. Some they 264 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 2: they you know, the move in Philadelphia. It's not like 265 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 2: some people weren't trying the Black Panthers. There's stuff that 266 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 2: people were doing and they really got beaten down by society, 267 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 2: even like in my lifetime the free speech zones during 268 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 2: the Iraq War protests, And it's easy to it's easy 269 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 2: to be a younger person, either who was alive and 270 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 2: young at the time, or who maybe even wasn't alive 271 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 2: at the time during the Iraq War and look back 272 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 2: at that and be like, well, how did people let 273 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 2: that happen? How did people let their First Amendment rights 274 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 2: get taken away? How did it get reduced to a 275 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 2: punchline on the rest of development, and it's like that 276 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 2: wasn't you know, there was a combination of factors that 277 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 2: led to that. It's hard for me to blame the 278 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 2: populace for getting whipped up in Iraq War hysteria after 279 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 2: a national traumatizing event. People took advantage of nine to 280 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 2: eleven and used that to sell the populace on this 281 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 2: horrible ideology that was already in green from the Reagan 282 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 2: years and not He Man, G I Joe and all 283 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 2: that bowl crap, and you know that carried through to 284 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 2: the nineties, and this whole idea that the military are 285 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 2: heroes and the police are heroes and everybody's good guys, 286 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 2: Like we're just as a society coming like a mainstream 287 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 2: society coming around to the idea that, like, maybe the 288 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 2: police aren't the good guys, Like that is a mainstream 289 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 2: idea in maybe like the last four years. So it 290 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 2: is really hard for me to fault people in the 291 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 2: past for not breaking out of their mental bubbles. You know, 292 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 2: I once went off on my grandma, bless her when 293 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 2: when she was still around and I was full of 294 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 2: piss and vinegar in my college punk rock years, and 295 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 2: I really went off on her and I was like, 296 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 2: what did. 297 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: You all do? 298 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 2: What have you done? 299 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 1: What have you done? 300 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 2: And she was like, you know, she was mortified at me. 301 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 2: She was really upset, and she was like, I voted 302 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 2: for John F. 303 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: Kennedy. 304 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 2: I was doing all these things. I really tried, and 305 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 2: it's hard for me to fault individuals. It's really the systematic. 306 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but I think but I think that that's right, right, 307 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: because you have a lot of and I'm thinking about 308 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 1: gen Z and I'm thinking about the alpha generation coming 309 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: behind them that are looking at their parents and their 310 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:58,719 Speaker 1: grandparents generations and they're like, you were giving us a 311 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:02,199 Speaker 1: planet that will be out of natural resources, air that 312 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: we won't be able to breathe, water that we won't 313 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: be able to drink, that will then be sold to us, right, 314 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: that we won't be able to afford because we don't 315 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: have jobs because of you know, the climate of capitalism 316 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: and greed that you all have bought into. Right, So 317 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 1: like there is yeah, and it's natural to have and 318 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: it's right. I think that it's righteous. Right, it is 319 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: it is righteous anger to be like when you had 320 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: the opportunity, not again, individuals, right, but when the collective 321 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 1: has the opportunity to make change. It's like, it's how 322 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: I feel right now as I look back on the 323 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 1: Obama years, and I think, wow, I really was a 324 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: part of this collective that thought that we made it. 325 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: I really like got super complacent and thought that the 326 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: sky's the limit from here. It did not occur to me. 327 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: And I'm a fucking student of history and politics that like, 328 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: oh no, the white lash, the backlash, all of it 329 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 1: was coming right and it was actually happened happening concurrently. 330 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: I don't know for you, Andrew, I will ask, like 331 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: I talk about this on the show all the time, 332 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 1: about how I try and hold on to joy, about 333 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 1: how I try and center self care and emotional wellbeing 334 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: in a time where anxiety and depression are so high. 335 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: I mean, the amount of people that young people and 336 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 1: older people that became medicated during the pandemic and beyond, 337 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: I think went up like I don't want to say, 338 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: but it was like over half of the population. It 339 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 1: went up in percentage in terms of In terms of that, 340 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: I talk about the fact that I'm in therapy and 341 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: have been for many years, and thank God, because I 342 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: don't know how I get through this time. So how 343 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 1: do you center your self care? What does that look 344 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: like for you? And how do you try and remain 345 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: I don't know, somewhat balanced at a time that wants 346 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: to like every headline, every tweet, every moment can literally 347 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: throw you off. 348 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 2: I'm gonna address something real quick and then I will 349 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 2: definitely answer your question and just what I want to. 350 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,679 Speaker 2: You've you've talked about young people, and like I've you know, 351 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 2: I've aged out of the young adult generation. But when 352 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 2: I think, like you mentioned the righteous anger, and I 353 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 2: think that righteous anger is it's righteous and it comes 354 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 2: from a just place. When I think about that righteous anger, though, 355 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 2: it's like we have to remember and not just young people, 356 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 2: we have to remember that that anger, you know, does 357 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 2: need to be directed systematically, Like I think about like 358 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 2: just as an example of the story of Kitty Genevieve's 359 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 2: and for years it was presented as a psychological study 360 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 2: in this this concept of the bystander effect. It turns 361 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 2: out the cops made that shit up. They just like 362 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 2: that story was totally doctored and the cops were incompetent, 363 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 2: but they went, well, you know, thirty eight people or 364 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 2: however many washinged and did nothing, so it's not our fault. 365 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 2: And so all this time we were mad at the innocent, 366 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 2: not innocent like I'm sure some people. Some people tried 367 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,439 Speaker 2: to call the cops and the cops didn't answer. But 368 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 2: you get told a story and then it becomes well, 369 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 2: thirty eight people washed and did nothing, So it's the 370 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 2: thirty eight people's fault and not the NYPD whose actual 371 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 2: job it was to help that person. And that also 372 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 2: now to spring off that I am not a mental 373 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 2: health professional. If you are a younger person listening to this, 374 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 2: first of all, thank you tell your friends. Second of all, 375 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 2: i've seen the age demographics. Please tell your young friends. 376 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: Tell you. 377 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 2: But second of all, you know if you're talking to 378 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:54,919 Speaker 2: your kids about if you have young people in your 379 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 2: life and they're struggling with mental health, because Danielle, you're right. 380 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 2: I saw this scene the other day and it was like, 381 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 2: like it's it's leaped horribly. I think it is like 382 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 2: half of high school males, and I can only assume 383 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 2: it's worse for girls. Yeah, knowing what I know about 384 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 2: high school, I think they made a movie about that 385 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 2: twenty years ago. I can only imagine it's worse for 386 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 2: high school girls. But yeah, it's like half so one 387 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 2: two One in two high school students is dealing with 388 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 2: anxiety or depression. I'm not an expert, but what I do, 389 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 2: I'm in therapy. Having miners in therapy is tricky with 390 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 2: the parents stuff and disclosure. But if you are a 391 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 2: good parent and you have a trusting relationship with your 392 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 2: child and they're having issues, you know, try looking into 393 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 2: psychiatry and psychology if you haven't already. I'm very much 394 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 2: in that as well. I've been in therapy for years. 395 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 2: It's never ending. Some of it comes from my own stuff, 396 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 2: but sometimes it is the horrors of the world. When 397 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 2: I started therapy, I would go to my therapist and 398 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 2: I'd be like, what am I supposed to do? I'm 399 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 2: just one person and the world is falling apart, and 400 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 2: one person of the population has all the money, like 401 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 2: one percent of one percent of the population has all 402 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 2: the money and all this and you can't So here's 403 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 2: what I do. You can't do anything about it. That 404 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 2: does not mean that a better give up on the 405 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,199 Speaker 2: idea that a better world is possible. That does not 406 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 2: mean stop doing stuff. That does not mean stop caring 407 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 2: That does not mean stop being active in community. That 408 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 2: actually means be more active in your community, because all 409 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,919 Speaker 2: you can do is the change that you can create 410 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 2: as an individual person is the change in your community. 411 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 2: If you get collectively organized with a group of people 412 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 2: in your community, and you are a type of person 413 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 2: who is a leader, even if you are a young person, 414 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 2: you have a community, get your community organized, or if 415 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,199 Speaker 2: you have a friend who is a leader type and 416 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 2: is like minded, link up with them and organize with them. 417 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 2: The more we get organized, the more we can do 418 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 2: things on mass and then we can start to affect things. 419 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 2: But all we can do is individual Like you know, 420 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 2: I know that you're into plants, Danielle, I'm not so 421 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 2: much into plants. The community garden is important, you know, 422 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 2: community kitchens or food pantries, like being involved with the 423 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 2: people around you. If you're a person I think who 424 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 2: thinks like Danielle and I do, and you care about 425 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 2: the world and you're compassionate and you're sensitive to negativity 426 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 2: going on in the world on a massive macro scale, 427 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 2: try making the little world around you better. Where you are, 428 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 2: plant things, feed people, take care of those around you, 429 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 2: get to know the people in your community if you 430 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 2: don't already, and I'm not talking about it's a good 431 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 2: first step, but I'm not talking about getting on nextdoor, 432 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 2: like actually know your neighbors, know what they're If you 433 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,959 Speaker 2: live in an apartment building, know the people around you. 434 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 2: If you have leftover food, don't just throw it out, 435 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 2: ask your neighbors if they want some. You know, just 436 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 2: the little things that I wasn't alive in this society 437 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 2: for that. I grew up in the era of lock 438 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 2: your doors, no one is trustworthy, but my grandparents came 439 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 2: from it. Can I borrow a cup of sugar? I 440 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 2: bake the pie and I have way too much? Would 441 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 2: you like a slice of pie? There's nothing you're not 442 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 2: gonna hurt anyone with that. You're not going to hurt anyone. 443 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: Bye. 444 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 2: This is a real thing that happened, and there's a 445 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 2: real article in the Washington Fils about it. You're really 446 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 2: not going to hurt anyone by baking a big pot 447 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 2: of chili in your apartment for the three hungry college 448 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 2: students that live next door and going over and going, hey, 449 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 2: I've got a big bowl of chili. You guys want 450 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 2: any It's no one else's business. 451 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 1: It's you know, and I think a lot of that, honestly, 452 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: he started to come back during the pandemic where people 453 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: were at home, who had the privilege to be at home. 454 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 2: And like to be human beings. 455 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I needed to rely and connect with the people 456 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: around them. And I think that that is because we 457 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 1: all had the you know, some of us had the 458 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: ability to slow down. And I think that everything that 459 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 1: you're saying is absolutely right. It becomes a daunting place 460 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 1: to think that you, as one individual, is going to 461 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: stop the greedy one percent. 462 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 2: We're not Superman. You're not You're not Bruce Wayne whatever. 463 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 2: You're not that person. You are a big thing in 464 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 2: our society right now. So that's important. No one person 465 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 2: is going to save us. It's not going to be you. 466 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 2: It's it's not gonna be Elon Musk or any of 467 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 2: these other people that are no media. But no one, 468 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 2: it's not Joe Biden. No one person will save us ever. 469 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: No, But like what you can do, like Andrew just said, 470 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: around your own community, around your own life, to make 471 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: things a bit more beautiful, a bit more joyful, a 472 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: bit more connected. Just that little bit, if we all 473 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: just did that little bit around us, we would begin 474 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: to feel better right about how we are perceiving and 475 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: looking at what is being fed to us on the 476 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:47,439 Speaker 1: largest scale. Final question for you, Andrew, which is, you know, 477 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: we did this big Pride month, you know, special every 478 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: single day, but Pride is three hundred and sixty five 479 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: days of the year. So for those people who you know, 480 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: like the corporations that will take down their rainbow flags 481 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 1: or just put it away, what do you want people 482 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 1: to sit with in terms of like how we look 483 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: at Pride for the other eleven months of the year. Uh. 484 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,239 Speaker 2: Weirdly enough, I actually want to start on Pride this year, 485 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 2: just because I meant to say this before and it 486 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 2: slipped and we talked about this during our sort of 487 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 2: pre show conversation. One thing I do want to note 488 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 2: is that something I noticed in twenty twenty one and 489 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 2: twenty twenty two was, you know, more companies were actually 490 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 2: listening to criticism of like don't take your Pride flag 491 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,880 Speaker 2: down on June thirtieth, keep it up. You know. In 492 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:44,439 Speaker 2: some places like the these are fringe examples, but like 493 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 2: the gaming subreddit has had a Pride banner for like 494 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 2: over a year because Pride ended and enough people were like, 495 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 2: don't you fucking change that? That they just never changed it, 496 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,919 Speaker 2: and why not? And that's I think that was a 497 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 2: good focus to like, because queer people don't stop existing 498 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 2: on June and the Yeah, and like you mentioned before, 499 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 2: now we're seeing this backlash where companies like bud Light 500 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,400 Speaker 2: and Target and not even the ones that are facing backlash. 501 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 2: But in the face of that, you know, Starbucks is 502 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,959 Speaker 2: telling stores not to put up pride displays. They're being 503 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 2: preemptive about it. That's horrifying. They do want to put 504 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 2: us back into the closet. And so an important thing 505 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 2: I would say, even if it's not joyous, if your 506 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 2: queerness doesn't manifest, enjoy it this time, that's okay. It's 507 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 2: just be out and loud and proud if you can. 508 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 2: You should be three hundred and sixty five or three 509 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 2: hundred and sixty six days a year. I stream on 510 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 2: on Twitch. I play video games and give commentary, and 511 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 2: I'm on camera and I have some people I very 512 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 2: much emphasize I'm in the lgbt Q tag, I'm in 513 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 2: the queer tag, I'm in the pan sexual tag. And 514 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 2: you know, when I talk on stream, I will openly 515 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 2: you know, like thirst over characters of any gender that 516 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 2: are in games. I'll make jokes about it. I'll make 517 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 2: references to it. And some people who know me, like 518 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 2: in real life, who I've known for years initially, like 519 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 2: would message me and be like, you know, why are 520 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 2: you playing up your queerness on stream? Like why are you? 521 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 2: Like are you making that part of your image? I 522 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 2: would get these different questions. It's like, no, this is 523 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 2: who I am. You just didn't see it so much. 524 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 2: And this is a place for me to be me 525 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 2: and for me to show myself to the world. And 526 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 2: so if you want to know me better, this is 527 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 2: like authentic. This isn't a performance, and this is me 528 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 2: using my platform, unfettered by anyone else, to be myself. 529 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 2: And so that's what I would say for anyone else 530 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 2: out there in whatever way, that you have the power 531 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 2: and the ability to self express and be yourself and 532 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 2: be loud. And hey, if you're pushing back against something, 533 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 2: push back as far as you can whatever is safe 534 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 2: for you. You should try to push back because it's the 535 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 2: only way that you know, we all get out of 536 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 2: the closet. We thought the closet, I mean I thought 537 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 2: I thought the closet was like done for I didn't 538 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 2: even think about it anymore. It was like, well, when 539 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 2: you're you know, when you're ready, you come out. It's 540 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 2: I didn't like they're they're trying to bring back the 541 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 2: closet and then shove it us all back in it, 542 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 2: and we can't let them. That's what we say. 543 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: One hundred Andrew Marshall, thank you so much for coming on, 544 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: Mike Uh for this episode of wok Philly. Always appreciate you. 545 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 2: Thank thank you so much for having me. I'll talk 546 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:26,239 Speaker 2: to you later today. 547 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: That is it for me today. Dear friends on Woke 548 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: app as always, Power to the people and to all 549 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: the people. Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.