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Speaker 1: All right, everybody, today's show is something that is obviously

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Speaker 1: and that's helping our brothers heal from what they've gone through.

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Speaker 1: And so I really wanted to reach out and bring

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Speaker 1: on not only one of my favorite shit talkers on

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Speaker 1: members and their health and improving, and that's Clay Martin.

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Speaker 1: So Clay, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: I'm so grateful that you came on.

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Speaker 3: David Brother thinks we're having man. I can't thank you

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Speaker 3: enough for having on here. Man.

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Speaker 2: This is awareness of this issue, what we're going to

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Speaker 2: do about it now that we actually have a solution,

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Speaker 2: most important thing in my life.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's just back up a little bit. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: you know when you left service, you know, how long

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Speaker 1: did it take before you realize that what you were

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Speaker 2: Due to a long long time Actually I was I

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Speaker 2: was medically retired too, which brings about its own issues,

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Speaker 2: is that you know, there's all this mental stuff like

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Speaker 2: problems with us, man is we don't talk about this shit.

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Speaker 2: We don't talk about weakness or you know, I go

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Speaker 2: We don't tell each other that shit. We're trying a

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Speaker 2: some reason. And there were a lot of things that

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Speaker 2: I was experiencing that I didn't know my team mugs

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Speaker 2: to go through the exact same thing two hundred miles away,

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Speaker 2: because I mean, we never talked about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for me, it was this. It was when the

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Speaker 1: suicide started to creep up, like eight nine, twenty ten,

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Speaker 1: sixteen is when I met a guy named doctor Chris

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Speaker 1: Free and he's the one who wrote the book Operator Syndrome. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: oh really, and yeah, yeah, we're we've been friends a

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Speaker 3: In Mexico and as a great Augila.

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Speaker 1: And then I started having all my buddies go through

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Speaker 1: different forms of using you know, natural medicine to help

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Speaker 1: with that. When when was your when were you introduced

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Speaker 3: I sort of have real like health problems too.

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Speaker 2: When I got out of off those blood thinners, I

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Speaker 3: Now I mean I can't make up any ground.

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Speaker 2: And the term operators and I don't even think I

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Speaker 2: But again, all this stuff that we're all going through,

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Speaker 2: I think actually what it did was it gave me

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Speaker 2: Around the same time, I was actually teaching a group

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Speaker 2: So I finally asked them like, hey, you know, like hypothetically,

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Speaker 2: And uh so that's actually where I got my first

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Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, had you ever done it before before you

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Speaker 1: Oh it's massive. It's massive. I mean, there's there's so much,

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Speaker 1: And so when so now it's sitting in your your

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Speaker 1: What was the thing that got you over the line?

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Speaker 2: This is actually hugely important, and this is part of

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Speaker 1: Well, it's that shame, right I'm a druggie or I'm

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Speaker 2: Well, I think there's a couple of other things that

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Speaker 2: Like if I decided that I'm going to go crazy,

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Speaker 3: You know it's gonna be It's gonna.

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Speaker 1: Call in a national guy, you know what I mean? Like, seriously, once,

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Speaker 2: You don't know that you're gonna lay down and you

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Speaker 2: The second part, I've heard a number of my peers

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Speaker 2: basically because we're on this hippie you know, ah piece

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna be able to kill a grasshopper again,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna be like walking through life like a Buddhist monk.

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Speaker 2: And uh, you know I like that edge about me.

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Speaker 2: You know that is part of us, that like killer instinct,

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Speaker 2: Uh let me see what else. Yeah, and then you know,

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Speaker 2: price of admission.

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Speaker 1: I love that. That's my favorite piece I hear the

441
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:51,600
Speaker 1: most right is that I can finally look at my

442
00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:56,200
Speaker 1: child and connect with them on the level that they need. Yes, yes,

443
00:20:56,280 --> 00:21:01,320
Speaker 1: as opposed to being the ultimate protector the chrish. Yeah,

444
00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,639
Speaker 1: all that. You just let that go and now all

445
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,320
Speaker 1: of a sudden you're communicating with them and they feel

446
00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:11,320
Speaker 1: it right. They know the difference when Dad's got the

447
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:15,280
Speaker 1: armor on and then when dad's you know, available and right.

448
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,399
Speaker 1: That I think is the most positive aspect of it.

449
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,639
Speaker 2: I think only too. It's changed my relations with my

450
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,400
Speaker 2: wife so much too. Uh for the positive, like all

451
00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,840
Speaker 2: for the positive. I feel like it's like this, I

452
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:28,680
Speaker 2: remember if this was an original thought or some real

453
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,159
Speaker 2: state of it, it's relevant. It's almost like like we

454
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,640
Speaker 2: turned off all these emotions and shit, we fought the war,

455
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,960
Speaker 2: right we had to u because dudes were dying.

456
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 3: And it doesn't matter if your teammate got za yesterday.

457
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:39,920
Speaker 2: We're going fucking back out today and you can mourn

458
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 2: for him when we get home, and you know, people

459
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,120
Speaker 2: getting fucked up, and uh.

460
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:45,679
Speaker 3: We do. We just cut. It's a Western way of

461
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:46,320
Speaker 3: warfare too.

462
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,399
Speaker 2: It's very cold, very calculated, and that's required. I mean,

463
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 2: that's actually something they beat into us, and there's something

464
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,160
Speaker 2: they select for so that we can be the guys

465
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 2: that we are. Is are you this kind of heartless,

466
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 2: fucking killing machine for the most part?

467
00:21:58,600 --> 00:21:58,679
Speaker 1: Uh?

468
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 2: And the war just makes that work because we have

469
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,240
Speaker 2: to now actually do these things. We turn our emotions off,

470
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 2: and I think in a lot of ways like we

471
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 2: forget or we don't know how to turn them back on.

472
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,480
Speaker 2: Then that is something else that's the side effect of this.

473
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 2: That's really what I felt like it was for me.

474
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 2: It didn't like all come rushing back at once, but

475
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 2: I did feel like I could actually have like a

476
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,200
Speaker 2: like a real like emotional connection to my children and wife.

477
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:26,199
Speaker 1: After that, you know, it's it's I never like before

478
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 1: I went in.

479
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 3: Man.

480
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,679
Speaker 1: You know, I always laugh when I tell people this,

481
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,720
Speaker 1: but you know, I was an art major in college, right,

482
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,639
Speaker 1: so yeah, a fucking I'm a hippie. You can kill you,

483
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 1: right yeah?

484
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 3: Yeah?

485
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,919
Speaker 1: And and and I go into teams, and I was

486
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 1: petrified that I was going to lose that aspect of myself.

487
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 1: And and and very quickly got to you know, the

488
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,920
Speaker 1: transformation began, and you just you have to you have

489
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 1: to allow what it's It's almost like it's almost ritualistic

490
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 1: in in and of itself, right, the training is ritual yeah, right,

491
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 1: And and you think about those bonds not so much

492
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:14,639
Speaker 1: the bonds that are being laid down through those instructors,

493
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,160
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, you know, now then

494
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 1: you go to war, and now that's it's a whole

495
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 1: nother level of that. You know, that that that barbarian spirit,

496
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:29,160
Speaker 1: like you describe it? Can can you talk about what

497
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,440
Speaker 1: that that that means for people? Because there's gonna be

498
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 1: a lot of especially young young men that listen to this.

499
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 1: They're like they're infatuated with with you know, guys like us.

500
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 1: They're in such a way as a hard word, but

501
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 1: you know they look up to us. They aspire to

502
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 1: have that sense of confidence and the ability and prospere.

503
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 1: Can you describe that barbarian spirit a little bit?

504
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 3: Sure?

505
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 2: And this is uh, this is actually something else that

506
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 2: came out of the psilocybin And it came from my

507
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 2: first time. Actually, uh was this like deep deep connection

508
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 2: to like an ancient warrior tradition that.

509
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 3: I could not have fathomed in another way. But it

510
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 3: showed me.

511
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 2: It showed me what it called the blood bridge, which

512
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 2: is back through you know, DNA and back to the time,

513
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 2: back to history like this is who you are and

514
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 2: this he related to and that was I mean, that

515
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 2: was amazing, and I think that as part of the

516
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 2: calling now for me to help our brethren specifically with

517
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 2: this is it wakes that up in them, and it's

518
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 2: a good thing. It's all a positive thing. I think

519
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 2: you have to have some let me rephrase that. I know,

520
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 2: you have to have some like real world experience, in

521
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 2: real world strength, you have to train these things, you

522
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,160
Speaker 2: have to be good with weapons in the real world,

523
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 2: all this stuff. And this is also why I don't

524
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,199
Speaker 2: think I cannot imagine giving this sacrament to like a

525
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 2: nineteen or twenty year old.

526
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 3: They don't have the things that they.

527
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 1: Need yet, not at all.

528
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,719
Speaker 2: If you spend your youth all right, growing that all right,

529
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 2: when you pour this on top, it does it takes

530
00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,679
Speaker 2: you to like a different place mentally.

531
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 3: It's very positive too.

532
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 2: It shows you it's basically almost like another selection process

533
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 2: like Okay, you went up through these things and now

534
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 2: you can have this too. This is kind of a

535
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 2: power on top of the spirit power, on top of

536
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 2: your physical power.

537
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 3: So it is great. I mean it's fantastic.

538
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: It's almost like an enhancer for all of the hardship,

539
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,919
Speaker 1: all of the sacrifice, all of the bloodshed, you know,

540
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 1: because I you know, that's the one thing I you know,

541
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: I get into these kind of philosophical metaphysical discussions with

542
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:37,120
Speaker 1: civilians all the time and trying to help them understand, right,

543
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 1: to create some link for them to maybe it's they

544
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: all have a degree of empathy, but they don't have

545
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 1: a degree of understanding, right, yes, right, yeah, And so

546
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 1: trying to say, hey man, this stuff goes way way back.

547
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: I mean not only the warrior spirit, but I mean

548
00:25:55,320 --> 00:26:01,400
Speaker 1: there's there's all kinds of connections to plant medicine that

549
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: that goes back thousands of years.

550
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,880
Speaker 2: All right, Greeks, Romans, uh, you know, pre those civilizations,

551
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 2: all the South American civilizations. It's funny they they've been

552
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 2: finding these little spoons on all the Germanic warriors, uh

553
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 2: that they think that they're calling them basically their meth

554
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 2: amphetamine spoon. But they were they were attached to their

555
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 2: they like he find was attached to their war belt

556
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 2: in front of their sword. And that's they've tested it

557
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 2: now a few times, and that is for some substances

558
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 2: like this, and it was it was such a part

559
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 2: of their their stuff that it's buried with them on

560
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:34,719
Speaker 2: that belt.

561
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: Part of the ritual, part of the they're burying right.

562
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, and it's it looks like they probably

563
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,239
Speaker 2: actually carried those to combat with them too, like they

564
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 2: bothered to take that along with the sword and the acts.

565
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 3: It's wild, all right.

566
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 1: Do you think we can you know, talk uh sephardic

567
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: into maybe like issueing the.

568
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 2: Yah'd be totally dead?

569
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 3: Well, actually, this is a funny thing. This is real.

570
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 2: We I think that we have a think all these

571
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 2: things came together, but we have a very slim window

572
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 2: with this administration that there's a possibility that we could

573
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 2: see at least pilot programs of this as both a

574
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 2: pre deployment and a post deployment, uh kind of what's

575
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 2: prophylactic if you will. Yes, And that would be so

576
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 2: amazing because that's actually part historically with the warrior class

577
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 2: of what this was used for too. For instance, I

578
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 2: think I can remember with comanchees or patches, but one

579
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 2: or the other when they came back from war parties,

580
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 2: they didn't get to go back to the village.

581
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,959
Speaker 3: All right, they went outside of camp with the medicine man.

582
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 3: All right, you'd feed them.

583
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 2: Some of whatever they had, payoty, whatever it was for

584
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 2: a couple of days and kind of wash that ship

585
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 2: off of them and then they could go back to civilization.

586
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, the han Bliss, Yes, right.

587
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's exactly.

588
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 2: It's actually thought that some of the crusaders had a

589
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 2: ritual like this too, they just kind of kept it quiet.

590
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's not it's not without precedent.

591
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,720
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620
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621
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622
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624
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625
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Speaker 1: I think now we are seeing the most recent one

626
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627
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628
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629
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Speaker 1: dollar allotment to begin researching I be again as as

630
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Speaker 1: as a substance to help this.

631
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Speaker 2: The only thing that scares me about that one is

632
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 2: I begain and I have not used I again, but

633
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 2: I begained is incredibly powerful, but it actually comes with

634
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 2: a health risk where like they make those guys were

635
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 2: like heart monitors and shit, and have like a real

636
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 2: doctor around when they do it. Yeah, I kind of

637
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 2: wish they'd started with something else, but I'm glad they're

638
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 2: aid doing something. And then and b that's this is

639
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 2: one of the things you discovered too, is all these

640
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 2: all these sacrifics have different uses. And for like, was

641
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 2: it opioate addiction, I begain is without question, it's the one.

642
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's the one, and I guess ayahuasca

643
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 2: is a close second. So I mean, there's an incredible

644
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 2: value in these things. I hope that turns on grain Texas.

645
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 2: You know, this is exactly what we need right now.

646
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: I agree. Can you talk a little bit about some

647
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: of the reason why your proponent for psilocybin as opposed

648
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: to the others, For you know, instead of going to

649
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: the VA and what getting your handful of psychotropics in

650
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: your you know, I says, take inhibitors and your valume

651
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: and all your shit. Right, that's going to kill you, right,

652
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: Why psilocybin.

653
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 2: Because in my opinion, most of those things mask problems

654
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 2: and it's actually the same thing that that weed and

655
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 2: alcohol does. I'm not coming down on weed and alcohol either.

656
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 2: They have a use, but mostly those are an escape thing.

657
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 2: You you know, come home, drink a bot what I

658
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 2: used to do, because alcohol is not a drug and

659
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 2: weed is. Drink a fifth all right, get home from work, whatever,

660
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 2: crack open some booze, I escape my problems for eight hours.

661
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 2: I wake up with a hangover. Now I got to

662
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 2: deal with those problems again, cycle back through the day,

663
00:31:55,760 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 2: and do it again. Weirdly, psilocybin and especially solves problems.

664
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 2: They're over when you when you do it after you've

665
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 2: been through your ritual or whatever.

666
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 3: It actually makes those problems going. It's a permanent, lasting effect.

667
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 2: Now, depending on how deep your problems go, you may

668
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 2: need you know, more cycles of it over over the

669
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 2: course of months and years, but it actually makes things better,

670
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 2: so you don't need that stuff anymore, which is I

671
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 2: believe that's actually one of the reasons they've they've gone

672
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 2: so hard in the pain about keeping it illegal. Is

673
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 2: I mean, you're trying to upset a trillion dollar industry,

674
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 2: you know, for big pharma.

675
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 3: And it's funny.

676
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 2: Actually psilocybin was still legal in the UK up until

677
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 2: two thousand and five.

678
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me?

679
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 2: You have to sell it in that and raw not

680
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 2: dried form, but yeah, it was totally illegal. You go

681
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 2: to farmer's market and buy psilocybin up until two thousand

682
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 2: and five.

683
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: That's insane to me, is wild, But that's what you're

684
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: up against. You're up against people that they can't make

685
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: any money off you, so they're going to keep you,

686
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: you know, keep you down.

687
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, that's actually that's really the funny thing.

688
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 2: Like with our veterans program and what we're doing, the

689
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 2: costs almost all the costs then bringing the guys out

690
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 2: and keeping them fed for three days, Like the cost

691
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 2: of the sacrament itself.

692
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 3: Is like fifty bucks. I mean it's nothing.

693
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow. Tell us about the program you're running and

694
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: first like why you wanted to start it? And then

695
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: what what did? What the program entails?

696
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 3: Sure, and let me come for you.

697
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 2: Also why I use psilocydb WHI we're talking about because

698
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 2: I kind of skipped away in the last question. So

699
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 2: a while back, as soon as I distilocide in the

700
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 2: first time, I was like, I want a way to

701
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 2: get this to my brothers, and I did, you know,

702
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 2: off the books very quietly, like some of them like

703
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 2: my close hold foots to be like all right, man,

704
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 2: come on, or you know. I started getting the calls

705
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 2: at about like man, I'm gonna however it goes, I'm

706
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 2: gonna kill myself, Like yeah, hold on, let me add

707
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 2: this one for like if you you have to freeze

708
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 2: things differently depended on the guy if he's going to

709
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 2: kill himselbject like I'm just gonna off myself, Like hey man,

710
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 2: you're gonna kill yourself anyway, why don't you just hang

711
00:33:59,240 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: out for a minute.

712
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 3: I'm gonna come over.

713
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 2: We're gonna get high as fuck on some different stuff

714
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 2: and it's gonna be totally cool. And if it's not,

715
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 2: you know whatever, I leave on Monday. You get off yourself.

716
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 2: I'll even wait in the parking lot.

717
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 3: I'll call you.

718
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 2: I'll call the cops. So your wipe this, find your body,

719
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 2: be great, show up, ma'am. Get in a sacrament eight

720
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 2: hours later, like that was amazing, holy ship something like, no,

721
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 2: you know that life is too amazingly awesome. I'm going home.

722
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 2: Uh so I knew that that is.

723
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: And it is that intense. You see it on their faces. Yeah,

724
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: and that's what's so insane. And and it's that what

725
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: is it? It's it's deeper than relief. It's it's it's

726
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:44,439
Speaker 1: a revelatory, right, yeah, Like it all kind of falls off,

727
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: and now all of a sudden there's like, oh, wait,

728
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: you mean there's a solution, there's a there's an opportunity exactly.

729
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 2: No, it's an like that. You also know your job's

730
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 2: done and you're like, yeah, this is this guy's good.

731
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 2: He's straight, Like I can leave right now. He's good.

732
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 2: Uh So I I wanted a way to get this

733
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 2: to my guys and everyone actually, and with the suicide

734
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 2: epidemic that we're seeing in the United States period, not

735
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 2: just amongst veterans.

736
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's insane. Some cases it's gone of

737
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 3: like fifty percent in the last twenty years.

738
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 2: These are actually things that I wasn't thinking about though

739
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 2: for probably the first year that I used psilocybin, and

740
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,479
Speaker 2: it was about maybe maybe six or eight months ago

741
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 2: that I felt the like the calling, like this kind

742
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 2: of calling to start this uh, this this church uh.

743
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 2: And it had to be this way for a variety

744
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 2: of reasons. And it kind of in a weird way,

745
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 2: it kind of had to be me too, because I

746
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 2: already wrote something that's very much counts as a holy

747
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 2: book about psilocybin man, and it's it's also weirdly, I

748
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 2: think why he gave me an odd path, like why

749
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 2: he came to me in this Norse pagan tradition, which

750
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 2: didn't make a lot of sense at the time.

751
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 3: I was gonna run with it because that's what happened.

752
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: Right when you're called, you're called.

753
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,439
Speaker 2: Right when it's when you're done with like that should

754
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 2: be like couldn't you like pick something that was leasier, like, no,

755
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:17,760
Speaker 2: I can't.

756
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: You know that from a long time.

757
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, exactly.

758
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: That will get the easy path, brother, But it does.

759
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 2: Give us a an iron clad uh you know, uh

760
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 2: link to a ten thousand year old tradition of using

761
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 2: psilocybins specifically, so you know honestly too. I've before I

762
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 2: started this, I tried a couple other things, like I

763
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 2: tried LSD. I didn't really care for it. There are

764
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 2: people that can use that as a therapeutic or in

765
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 2: a ritual manner. I won't, just because I don't think

766
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 2: that it agrees with our systems what we need.

767
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 3: NDMA is also great.

768
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 2: I do work with that one as well, but I

769
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 2: firmly believe that psilocybin is the sacrament that you use

770
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 2: first because it's such a wide spectrum thing. It's it

771
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 2: helps with so many things as well as it's the

772
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 2: one that turns suicidal thought off, like like a light switch.

773
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 2: And it's funny because I didn't really under I didn't

774
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,959
Speaker 2: think of it as the suicide off switch until about

775
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:14,720
Speaker 2: like six eight months ago I started putting the paperwork

776
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 2: together to do this, uh this organization. I had to

777
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 2: go back and think I'm like, wait, it does do that,

778
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 2: And that actually did that for me, and it did

779
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 2: it so well that I never thought about it again,

780
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 2: Like I forgot that that was even yet. It was

781
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 2: like in a race that it had ever been a

782
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 2: thing forever. And I don't know how many dudes you

783
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 2: know that have that have had this one. I wasn't

784
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 2: like hyper depressed, like I'm gonna kill myself. I did

785
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 2: go through that phase like when I first got out

786
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 2: for a minute, but you know, I wasn't going to

787
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 2: go through with it.

788
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 1: Uh.

789
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 2: The second one that I see amongst veterans is the

790
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 2: uh they get to this point where they just.

791
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,959
Speaker 3: Like wake up and they're like what am I doing? Man?

792
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 2: Like I already did the cool height. You know, I

793
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 2: was writing helicopters. Now I'm going to work at the

794
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 2: fuck Crab Macaroni Chiefe factory. Maybe it's just all over.

795
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 2: I've seen help with that one, and I've been through

796
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,439
Speaker 2: that one too. Now, neither of those two were gonna

797
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 2: affect me after my sons were born, because now I'm

798
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 2: so committed to them. But the third one, I actually

799
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 2: went through this one as well. I'm calling it suicide

800
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 2: by other means you've seen it like that, like the

801
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 2: weird shit, Like there was an absolute legend of the

802
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 2: Special Forces Regiment that overdosed on heroin six months after

803
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 2: he retired. No, yeah, and at the time.

804
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 3: We're like, what the what the fuck? Like fucking heroin

805
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 3: and you don't get it. But once you've been retired

806
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 3: and you're out of the system and you're having all

807
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 3: these things on this flood and survivors built like, it's like,

808
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 3: oh fuck, man, yeah, I get it now. Like he

809
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 3: offed himself. He just it just didn't. It's not going

810
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 3: to show up in the status that's what he did,

811
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 3: or you.

812
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 2: Know, drinking and driving it, you know, incredibly high rates

813
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 2: to sea because you just don't care. A lot of

814
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 2: guys die that way too. That should count in the

815
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 2: suicide column. But I you know, I would say I

816
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 2: was past that one too, the one that I was

817
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 2: still having. And this is so fucking weird, the impulsive thought.

818
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 2: So you know, I've been around guns my entire life,

819
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 2: and I did like gun journalism for a while. If

820
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 2: very retired. I was a competitive shooter. There's I mean,

821
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 2: there's fucking guns everywhere. There's like fifteen guns in my

822
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 2: office right here about like I don't know, two or

823
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 2: three times a week, I would just be like walking

824
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 2: by something and I would have this impulsive thought like

825
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 2: you should pick that gun up and shoot yourself.

826
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 3: And I'd be like, you know, I'd be like like,

827
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 3: oh fuck, like oh wait, wait, hold on, no other symptoms,

828
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 3: no depression, just I don't know what the fuck it was,

829
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 3: but it was. It was. It was all the time.

830
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: You know.

831
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 3: It wasn't like every day, but it was. It was frequent.

832
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 2: Psilocybin turned that off to the point that I forgot

833
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: it even happened until I started looking suicide statistics again.

834
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, fuck, man, like, how many guys have

835
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 2: how many guys have a had that same impulsive thought?

836
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 2: I think of a fucking TBI. I think it's actually

837
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 2: like demonic whisper. Now may we're a little damage from

838
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 2: from being over in the fucking land of gins or whatever.

839
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 2: How many dudes have gone through with it, and of

840
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 2: course there was no symptoms. It's just an impulsive, fucking

841
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 2: snap decision. But it makes that one completely go away. Yeah,

842
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 2: I mean some wild shit. So so what I did

843
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 2: is I found in this organization. We're calling it a

844
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 2: Path of Barbarian Spirit and it is a faith based organization.

845
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 2: But what we're doing is we're going to build a

846
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 2: small retreat on some land that I've already bought in

847
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 2: the ozarks. Ptilocybin itself, from my experience, also works best

848
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 2: in nature anyway. It's very much like a primal enhancer.

849
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: Absolutely.

850
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 3: And then also when.

851
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 2: We think about like us, like the hard shit that

852
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,439
Speaker 2: we did, especially like training all right, when you were

853
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 2: going through buds and I was going through the Q course,

854
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 2: it wasn't about like technology and goggles.

855
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 3: It was doing hard.

856
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 2: Shit in the woods with some bullshit and getting bit

857
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 2: by ticks and triggers, being the cold az ocean, all

858
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 2: this like nature stuff.

859
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 3: So we'd put veterans back in that type of environment.

860
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 2: And we're using yurts instead of buildings, so it's it's

861
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 2: still like being a fucking tint yep. It puts them

862
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 2: back in this natural space that really helps the reset

863
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:08,240
Speaker 2: on the back side of the ritual.

864
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 3: Uh, it is amazing.

865
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: I you know what I love to hear is I

866
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: love to hear that these stories like yours because it

867
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 1: means that dudes are not giving up there. And then

868
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: not only are they not giving up. But you're in

869
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: that same Green Beret spirit, right, you're you're you're freeing

870
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: the oppressed, right yeah, Like, and the oppressed is our

871
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: brothers in their minds, the oppressed is more importantly the

872
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: oppression of their souls, yes, from what what they volunteered

873
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: to do to expose themselves to. So I love the

874
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: fact that you you're it's a it's a religious in

875
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: nature aspect to it, because I mean, you know, you

876
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: go back and you think about, you know, some of

877
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: the greatest you know, warrior cultures in history, they all

878
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: have have that component built into it. But yet in

879
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: the modern era, you know, seeming even post World War One,

880
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: when you know, you had all those guys rioting in

881
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,959
Speaker 1: in d C because they're like, hey, you screwed us over.

882
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: That's the common place now, and so once again it's

883
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: on us to take care of our brothers in a

884
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 1: way that's ritualistic, that that that has that barbarian spirit,

885
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 1: that has that warrior ethos still ingrained in it, and

886
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: and getting rid of all the other what is it?

887
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's it's deeper than the lie or

888
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: the the the illusion of support of the VA or whatever.

889
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: It's just like it's like we're done with you. Yes,

890
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: like you've served your purpose and and for us now

891
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: it's like no, no, no, no, your purpose is even

892
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: more important. Now. What are some of the things that

893
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: you guys talk about in those retreats?

894
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 2: Well, dude, this is actually let me back once, that

895
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 2: usually important.

896
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 3: This is one of the other ways that I know

897
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:04,280
Speaker 3: was divine intervention.

898
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: Is because I'm not this fucking smart.

899
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 3: There is there's.

900
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 2: Actually an obstacle also, like I love what like like

901
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 2: that I think is doing an heroic card other I

902
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 2: love what they're doing, but there's a there's a there's

903
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 2: a built in problem with it, and that's that a

904
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 2: lot of dudes will not go to Mexico and they

905
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 2: will sure as fuck not go to Mexico to do

906
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 2: drugs in a sketchy situation with people that they don't know.

907
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 2: And that's what it sounds like. No matter how I

908
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 2: I I church it up. If this is a healing retreat,

909
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 2: that's how I would have thought about it. Honestly, like

910
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 2: three years ago when I started to three being like,

911
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 2: hey man, we got to go to TJ and be

912
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 2: like the fuck we are, Like we're not. Uh, And

913
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 2: I understand why they've done this, and I understand why

914
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 2: they continue to do this, but it's divine intervention and

915
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: that he gave me a pathway that we can legally

916
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 2: do this in the United States because we're not a therapy.

917
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 2: Were our First Amendment and a Restoring Religious Freedom Act

918
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 2: protected religious activity, and so we can bring guys to

919
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 2: us in the fucking woods in Arkansas, and we are

920
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 2: one hundred percent legit and able to do this. And

921
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 2: I'm actually looking at us as like the paramedics of

922
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 2: this thing. We can give them this first little dose.

923
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 2: All right, some guys, that's gonna be enough. Some guys

924
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 2: are gonna stick with the spiritual path that I'm on.

925
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 3: That's cool, that's awesome. Uh. Some guys are gonna it's

926
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 3: gonna passionate just enough.

927
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,280
Speaker 2: They're gonna know that they have, I mean, real fucking

928
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 2: problems that we can't fix and they need to go

929
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 2: to Mexico and get one of the other therapeutics, or

930
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 2: they need to go to a a real like headshrink

931
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 2: and not be religious guy and get some some some therapy.

932
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 2: And that's all totally cool. We're totally gonna make that work.

933
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, So, I mean it's it's been amazing.

934
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: Well, I mean Clay, I just uh once I I

935
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: just it's apped in my head. I was like, oh

936
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: my god, you know he's he's got this whole thing.

937
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: It's a program, it's focused, he wrote the book. I

938
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: was just like, man, I just got to bring him

939
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 1: on so he can share with us, with with the

940
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: people out there and let people know what's going on

941
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: and that they're, in particular are our brothers that are

942
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: all struggling right now. So thank you so much for

943
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: coming on and for sharing what you're doing. Is there

944
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: any way people can donate to it, like your church?

945
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 2: Yea, yeah, absolutely so we have If you go over

946
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 2: to barbarinscrew dot com, there's a page for donations.

947
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 3: We have a gifts and go up right now.

948
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 2: We've actually developed some if I guess I'm lame on

949
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 2: the desk here, we developed some merchandise specifically.

950
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 3: For this because yes, we need we need money. We

951
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 3: need that. Well, the other thing we need to do is

952
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 3: raise awareness this is happening.

953
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 2: So we made some stuff that is specifically for raising

954
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 2: awareness that psilocybin solves this problem. So that's my twenty

955
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 2: two grand between two fish up stickers. It's a twofold thing. Yeah,

956
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 2: we need fund to build our shit out and bring

957
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: guys in. We also need all the guys to know

958
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 2: like this works, because there's other ways to get it.

959
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 2: And man, people are hurting right now. Fuck bro, if

960
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:18,720
Speaker 2: you are hurting right now, probably start calling Somebody's got something.

961
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 2: Somebody can square you away, and you're gonna love this

962
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 2: next part. This is uh, this is honest. This is

963
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 2: where we apply the green Bray model to future for

964
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 2: this because this is not intended to be like one

965
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 2: little church in the woodside. We've got to build that

966
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 2: first because we had to have a base of operations.

967
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 2: We are looking at the concept of training our own

968
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 2: priest class to be able to do this and have

969
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 2: their own franchises all of the United States. And honestly,

970
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 2: after we fight the the first couple of little legal battles,

971
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 2: it's it's not even denominational at that point, Like we're

972
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 2: going to have Christian priests that come out of this.

973
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 3: We're going to have, you know, Buddhist priests that come

974
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 3: out of this.

975
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 2: That's fucking totally cool, all right, we will still keep

976
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 2: you in our circle of protection here, UH will show

977
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 2: you how to do these rituals and these focused things.

978
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 2: It will help you raise funds for your franchise when

979
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 2: you get there. We're also looking in the near future

980
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 2: building a parallel nonprofit.

981
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 3: All right.

982
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 2: If there are things that we can do on the

983
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 2: religious side and there are things that people can do

984
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 2: on the medical research side, never show those two cross.

985
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 2: But if we build a nonprofit that's parallel that we

986
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 2: can staff with you know, some X officer nerds and

987
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 2: you know, neurooscientists and probably a shrink or two. All Right,

988
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 2: they can't come over and dictate protocol in the church.

989
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 3: I have to do that. But hypothetically, on the back

990
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 3: side of this, if any.

991
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 2: Of our guys, once they've gone through this, or while

992
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 2: they're going through this, would like to come over and

993
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 2: share their brain scan data in an anonymous way or talk

994
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 2: with these people that do medical research very much off

995
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 2: of my camp in the camp next door. We can

996
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 2: do a lot of damage in a very short amount

997
00:47:59,320 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 2: of time.

998
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: Wow, well, Clay, Uh, I wish you all the best, man.

999
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: I'm praying for you and and and your team, and

1000
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: I just can't thank you enough for coming on and

1001
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: sharing this. Where where can people follow you? And how

1002
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: can they get in touch?

1003
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 2: Uh? Mostly we've got a contact point over at Barbarian

1004
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 2: Spirit dot com.

1005
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:21,280
Speaker 3: I spent a lot of more time than I should

1006
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 3: on Twitter. I'm way off the brace.

1007
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: You don't stop that.

1008
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 3: I can't. IM an addict.

1009
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 2: We're not great on the other social media platforms you have,

1010
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 2: and we're getting there. But yeah, I mean yeah, please

1011
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 2: come check us out. Look at what we've done. A

1012
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 2: couple of bucks help us out by some merchant. Just

1013
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 2: tell your friend, tell your friends that this works. That's

1014
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 2: going to help us. Came on minim into this awesome.

1015
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: Thank you brother, God bless you.

1016
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 3: I thank you brother,