Speaker 1: Hello, gold, just welcome back and give them all a podcast.
Speaker 1: As you know, I never in all my lives have guests,
Speaker 1: but of course I had to have Heather McDonald's on
Speaker 1: one of my one of my nearest and dearest friends.
Speaker 2: And no one makes me laugh harder than you do.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you.
Speaker 4: I'm very thrilled to be here, so professional love you
Speaker 4: all excited.
Speaker 2: You came to Ocean's birthday party.
Speaker 3: Of course I did. It's my third time coming.
Speaker 4: I found all three birthday parties, so I'm like a
Speaker 4: og vip. We had the o G merch, I had
Speaker 4: the Ocean give them Ocean from the first party, which
Speaker 4: was an ocean theme mermaid yep theme.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're going to be at all of them, and
Speaker 1: now you're gonna have to add another one.
Speaker 3: Which I'm totally excited.
Speaker 5: I love.
Speaker 3: I love a kid party.
Speaker 4: It was so cute and it was so fun good
Speaker 4: and I love love the new house and everything.
Speaker 2: I feel like there's it was just good energy.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm very happy. I'm excited to bring a new
Speaker 1: baby home to that space. I love watching all my
Speaker 1: reality TV shows in that space, feeling.
Speaker 3: Like a queen.
Speaker 4: Have you thought about, like how you're going to do
Speaker 4: like I. Okay, you know when you like like something
Speaker 4: that the algorithm knows what you love.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So one of the things I love is like soldiers
Speaker 4: surprising their kids and wives coming home and their moms.
Speaker 4: The other one is toddler meets the new baby for
Speaker 4: the first time videos.
Speaker 3: Have you seen those?
Speaker 4: No, Oh my god, melt my heart where they're like
Speaker 4: the little kid comes in and baby like, oh yeah, wait,
Speaker 4: well you definitely have to do that. I do a
Speaker 4: lot of stuff, so I'll start sending even that.
Speaker 2: Okay, start sending me those.
Speaker 1: And because my I haven't been on Instagram, as I
Speaker 1: was just telling you, Like I this pregnancy is different
Speaker 1: in the sense like I have energy. I'm having to
Speaker 1: go out and still work and do all those things,
Speaker 1: which is very different from when I was pregnant with Ocean.
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm very sensitive, so I don't I don't
Speaker 1: get emotionally sensitive, and I don't want to see what
Speaker 1: people are saying about me, So I have steered clear
Speaker 1: of the Internet. I get on to Instagram to post
Speaker 1: what I need to post, and then I kind of
Speaker 1: like delete the app, and then if I need to
Speaker 1: post something again, I redownload the.
Speaker 2: App, post it, and then delete it again. So I
Speaker 2: don't go in.
Speaker 1: You know, because you become robotic just going in and
Speaker 1: you're scrolling and you don't even know how it happened.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you were at a.
Speaker 4: Level where if you were just on Instagram, you know,
Speaker 4: you could see an article or you follow a blog
Speaker 4: that might say something about you. There were times like
Speaker 4: there were these hate groups that I'd had to actually
Speaker 4: go to read the hate about me, and I feel
Speaker 4: like you sober, I'm March twenty third, No, December twenty
Speaker 4: third was the last time I looked.
Speaker 3: Yeah, on the hate groups, good about myself. But it
Speaker 3: was so addictive.
Speaker 1: And what do you mean hate groups like like dedicated
Speaker 1: hate groups.
Speaker 6: Oh on like Reddit, not Instagram. There's not like page
Speaker 6: to Facebook, geez Louise, Okay, keep going.
Speaker 3: There's some stuff like that.
Speaker 4: And I never experienced it until the last six months,
Speaker 4: and so I I was just like shocked to like
Speaker 4: read it, and like I kind of couldn't get enough.
Speaker 4: Like I'd be out and then I'd come home and
Speaker 4: it'd be like I was like, you know, getting up
Speaker 4: a pipe together something.
Speaker 3: I just couldn't stop reading it.
Speaker 4: And then when I finally I was like, I'm I
Speaker 4: don't ever want to see this again. I don't want
Speaker 4: anyone sending anything from it again. I'm never looking at
Speaker 4: it again. I literally treat it like like a you know,
Speaker 4: a step, or like I'm going to get a chip.
Speaker 4: And I almost feel like the feeling of it is
Speaker 4: and I've never experienced, so I don't know. But someone
Speaker 4: just said, is this this Maybe this is what it's
Speaker 4: like when some it's like a cutter or something.
Speaker 3: I don't know, were.
Speaker 2: They like an emotional cut you want.
Speaker 4: To feel something, they want to see it, and it's
Speaker 4: like yeah, and so I think it's great. There's no
Speaker 4: reason why you need to see it. I did see
Speaker 4: one comment about you, and it was tell Lala, ask
Speaker 4: Lala why her skin looks so beautiful pregnant?
Speaker 3: Well, no, but in the show you're not pregnant yet.
Speaker 2: Oh in the show.
Speaker 4: In the show you look I mean, you look beautiful
Speaker 4: in person, but in the show you your makeup and
Speaker 4: skin and stuff does look particularly good. In these last
Speaker 4: few episodes.
Speaker 5: You guys really ash you did.
Speaker 6: I did notice versus the seasons before, you were way
Speaker 6: lighter on the makeup or no makeup at all.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, maybe you're not way more simple.
Speaker 2: That was the whole thing.
Speaker 4: I feel like they're not doing all like the beat
Speaker 4: faces and stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm not well this season. I'm not like this season.
Speaker 2: I went into it.
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't want to do my clippings
Speaker 1: for every scene. I don't want to bleach my hair.
Speaker 1: I'm done with the lashes. I'm done with it all.
Speaker 1: I want dewey skin, some mascara. It's in a highlighter.
Speaker 3: It's working. All your looks have been great.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Yeah, I think when you I think
Speaker 1: it's one thing to like. We were talking about this earlier,
Speaker 1: Like I have my my DM setup where only check
Speaker 1: marks can get in, but there's a few that sometimes
Speaker 1: slip in, and those I'm like, if I if I
Speaker 1: happen to click on those and they're not very nice.
Speaker 2: I can sit there and.
Speaker 1: Be like, I really don't give a fuck about what
Speaker 1: you say, right, But when you start seeing that a
Speaker 1: page has posted about you and opened the public forum
Speaker 1: for people to slide into the chat, it immediately makes
Speaker 1: me feel exposed and vulnerable and I have to run away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's bad. It's you know, yeah, it's hard.
Speaker 6: Wait, Heather, can I ask really quick with those pages,
Speaker 6: just because I'm curious when you would read you said
Speaker 6: it like almost like an addiction. When you would read
Speaker 6: the comments the mean shit, would you get like some
Speaker 6: sort of high after and then the next day get
Speaker 6: really sad thinking about it and miserable or what was it?
Speaker 4: Well, one of the things is that, you know, the
Speaker 4: things would be so ridiculous and wrong and wrong information
Speaker 4: and wrong things about me that I would inadvertently like
Speaker 4: correct it.
Speaker 3: Like on my show the next day.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then they love that, you know, like why
Speaker 4: am I even addressing this stupid thing that's not true?
Speaker 4: And I'd be like, oh, some of you guys seem
Speaker 4: to think that, and that's not the case. The case
Speaker 4: is I happened to be there for another event and
Speaker 4: done it because they'd be like that thirsty bit showed
Speaker 4: up to whatever.
Speaker 3: I was like, no, I.
Speaker 4: Was invited for weeks, but prior it was like why
Speaker 4: am I explaining my fucking life?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 4: And then and then what was bad is when my
Speaker 4: teenage son found it and I was like literally like,
Speaker 4: don't read it. You're gonna get like indoctorated, like you're
Speaker 4: gonna start and then and then at one point we
Speaker 4: got to the place where we found it funny because
Speaker 4: we literally every Instagram post they'd pick apart my out
Speaker 4: they'd take the post and think about my auff or whatever.
Speaker 3: So I had this like really fun yellow.
Speaker 4: Trina Turk, like very nineteen sixties outfit, and I wore it,
Speaker 4: and we celebrated my niece's birthday at NOBU in Palm Desert, Okay,
Speaker 4: and we had this great time whatever. And then one
Speaker 4: of the posts was imagine if this thing was your aunt.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: Yesterday for Easter, I wore it to brunch at our
Speaker 4: little club in our community there and my niece came sixteen.
Speaker 3: It is adorable.
Speaker 4: And I walked up and I go, imagine if this
Speaker 4: thing was taking you to Eastern Breadth, and like we
Speaker 4: laugh about it now.
Speaker 3: So there's like nothing like you get to a place
Speaker 3: where you're like, these people are losers, right, But it
Speaker 3: was the pain and everything real, which are now.
Speaker 2: Of course because you overexposed yourself to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so you're being like waterboarded with really mean
Speaker 1: it's like one thing to see like one comment about
Speaker 1: like imagine if this thing where you're am like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can laugh about that too. I can laugh about
Speaker 1: one comment about my eyebrows and my hairline if I
Speaker 1: see it five hundred times, though, I'm gonna be like,
Speaker 1: how do I get them? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I mean you know you're saying things physically that these
Speaker 4: trolls go after. And I thought it with your cast
Speaker 4: members too, and I'm like, there's nothing someone can do
Speaker 4: about that.
Speaker 3: No, it's not even like okay, it's not even.
Speaker 4: Something like oh I could get a nose job or
Speaker 4: oh I could fix my teeth. There's sometimes there's physical
Speaker 4: stuff that's like that is just how god like there's
Speaker 4: no fixing that.
Speaker 3: Like it's like saying that someone's short, Okay, what do
Speaker 3: you want me to do? Cut my legs and have
Speaker 3: them put a pin in there?
Speaker 4: Like, I mean there's a certain things or you're old. Yeah,
Speaker 4: well the age thing to me like worn on the
Speaker 4: euro is born, like take it up with my dead hairs.
Speaker 2: Like what do you want me to do?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: But as if we were all born just a certain
Speaker 1: age forever, we're.
Speaker 2: All going to get there.
Speaker 1: The age thing I will never ever understand. Shut the
Speaker 1: fuck up.
Speaker 4: Well, then the other thing I saw that someone said
Speaker 4: was like, why are you getting into a conversation with
Speaker 4: someone like they're at your level when they really are
Speaker 4: literally a troll in a basement. I mean, there's trolls
Speaker 4: that you can go back and forth with those are
Speaker 4: not bots. And then there's just the mean comments that
Speaker 4: are the bots or whatever. There's a combo, but like
Speaker 4: why are you even trying to talk to this person?
Speaker 3: And then there's sometimes.
Speaker 4: Fans that were a fan and for whatever reason, they
Speaker 4: turned on you, and there's that too, and then you're like, goodbye,
Speaker 4: find another person to enjoy. Like it's not obviously you're
Speaker 4: not into me anymore. I'm not going to try to
Speaker 4: convince you. I don't know what happened or where you
Speaker 4: stopped liking me, but like it's not my problem anymore.
Speaker 1: No, And I find that those people turn into the
Speaker 1: people who I worry about them coming in my house,
Speaker 1: skinning me and then wearing my.
Speaker 4: They're obviously like they're obviously obsessed, you know, if they're
Speaker 4: taking this time and so, yeah, you know, it is
Speaker 4: kind of weird, but yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1: It's such a fun job that we've all placed ourselves in.
Speaker 2: Have you been watching vander Pumper. Wells, of course I have.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about it. Yeah, we had an episode. What
Speaker 1: was it last night?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, how'd you feel about it? How are you feeling
Speaker 1: about the season? Mention it all?
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, I'm really liking it, you do, like in
Speaker 4: many reasons?
Speaker 5: All right.
Speaker 4: First of all, every single person on the cast is
Speaker 4: witty and naturally funny, and I love their personalities.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 4: I mean, I love that Tom Sandoval and the editors
Speaker 4: and the way he said it's like I'm Scott Peterson
Speaker 4: and sports being like didn't he kill his wife?
Speaker 3: And he's like illegibly serious, Like it's so authentic. It's
Speaker 3: so authentic. Nobody is acting on that show.
Speaker 4: There was a time when you guys, when they were
Speaker 4: you know, casting certain people hoping that, you know, and
Speaker 4: it just didn't work. So the fact that like every
Speaker 4: every single person has a history and has their sense
Speaker 4: of humor, it's it's great. I mean, Katie and Schwartz
Speaker 4: with Katie dating.
Speaker 3: Having sex with the Max.
Speaker 4: Okay, so let me remind me Max is the one
Speaker 4: that is still wearing the Apple watch from Shina.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, was it an Apple watch that he got?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The one before him got a penguin from Shina. Max
Speaker 1: got an apple, I.
Speaker 3: Was a gay penguin.
Speaker 2: I don't think he had decided yet.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, you know there's a lot of gay pegs.
Speaker 2: I love that. It's so many gay pains.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And then they get they find a great girlfriend who
Speaker 4: got knocked up and doesn't want to raise the kid.
Speaker 3: And then the two gay penguins literally take the egg.
Speaker 1: We should find out about this. I wonder if he
Speaker 1: is gay the penguin. I'll find out, okay, and then
Speaker 1: we'll report back to you. Yeah. And then Max was
Speaker 1: the one who dated Dana and she put his necklace
Speaker 1: in her cat's litter box. And Dana is best friends
Speaker 1: with Katie and Max Boyan's's best friends.
Speaker 3: Wish Wait when did when did Sheena date Max?
Speaker 1: Sena dated Max before season eight and they gave him
Speaker 1: the and they had sex and she gave him the watch.
Speaker 2: They slept together, they were he was.
Speaker 4: Between hanging the hang the thing in seven minutes and
Speaker 4: brock yes, okay, got it. Okay, so that is all amazing.
Speaker 4: And the location thing, which I don't even know. Do
Speaker 4: you have to give someone permission for that?
Speaker 2: Yes? And that's why because I was literally.
Speaker 4: At one point like I was going to text her
Speaker 4: and I'm like, we're texting friends.
Speaker 3: Do you happen to have my location?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, there's no you.
Speaker 2: That's why when when.
Speaker 1: Katie said something about her following locations was an invasion
Speaker 1: of privacy.
Speaker 2: Number one, she's not following Katie.
Speaker 1: Number two, Max gave her permission to follow him and
Speaker 1: any three years time, at any points ago to.
Speaker 3: You to go in to remember.
Speaker 4: To change it.
Speaker 1: I shared my location, like I remember I was linking
Speaker 1: up with Arianna to go get a coffee. In that
Speaker 1: scene where I'm like, you should defend Sena, she shared
Speaker 1: her location with me, so and I shared mine with
Speaker 1: her so that we could let production.
Speaker 2: Know where Okay, the two of us were at what
Speaker 2: point in time?
Speaker 4: Well, and all is also like single girlfriends, you should
Speaker 4: do that or with your parent.
Speaker 1: At the moment that scene was over, I clicked unshare.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, you will not be knowing where I am.
Speaker 1: And I think she did the same. Okay, so it's
Speaker 1: not an invasion of privacy. You are being asked, can
Speaker 1: so and so fallow your location?
Speaker 2: And you agree?
Speaker 4: So probably fifty out of the fifty six people at
Speaker 4: one time gave it to her and then completely forgot.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I think during that episode people went into their phones.
Speaker 1: If they were alive, I would like to know what
Speaker 1: the number is now, Yeah, just what She's sitting.
Speaker 4: At that seat and she's like, I wanted to know
Speaker 4: where my friends were, like location.
Speaker 2: And then I looked again, and then again and then again.
Speaker 2: The next morning, I'm like, okay, she should stop talking.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So that was to me so fun. And I
Speaker 4: love Katie and Schwartz post divorce. You do, Yes, I
Speaker 4: think they have a nice little funny vibe going, like
Speaker 4: would she when they're sitting at your water tasting thing? Yeah,
Speaker 4: and he's like, I mean he did like a friend.
Speaker 4: She's like, whatever, he's done a lot worse to me
Speaker 4: over the airs and she's like, why do you just
Speaker 4: start with like better clothes?
Speaker 3: He goes, better clothes? What the fuck are you wearing?
Speaker 3: He goes back and he goes, you're right, it's cool.
Speaker 5: I know she.
Speaker 1: Has best his zingers, but then he feels bad about them.
Speaker 1: It's like when he told her season nine, you got
Speaker 1: kind of a Karen.
Speaker 2: And then he and then he goes and it's really sexy.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like he That's what I'm saying, Like, it's just
Speaker 4: very He's so like earnest and so I think that's
Speaker 4: really funny. Okay, I gotta talk about the side players.
Speaker 1: Okay, side players, name them, name them, name.
Speaker 3: Name the assistant.
Speaker 4: And got ultimately back again and then we what was
Speaker 4: that tragic pool party? Though?
Speaker 3: I'm sorry? Was that were those extras? What the fuck
Speaker 3: was that?
Speaker 5: This was not on last night's episode. Yeah, before the
Speaker 5: week before the pool.
Speaker 4: I'm like, how does Tom know these people? Like I'm
Speaker 4: literally like, it's okay, because I get it you lost
Speaker 4: a lot of friends and you're trying to have a
Speaker 4: pool party, but like.
Speaker 3: Who are these people?
Speaker 2: Let me tell you there it was.
Speaker 3: Like a fifty year old mom and I'm one of
Speaker 3: those longs.
Speaker 4: I think she wasn't hollering me, like in the corner,
Speaker 4: and I literally thought they.
Speaker 3: Just got the street. They literally were like at Ralph's
Speaker 3: and like, what do you was doing?
Speaker 1: By the way, Tom Standerval could have no, No, we
Speaker 1: don't hire extras, we not at all.
Speaker 3: He met.
Speaker 1: No, the three girls that were in the pool with
Speaker 1: him came later. Yeah, the girls that came later, he
Speaker 1: met those at the Sir Brunch, met those he did.
Speaker 4: It's like anybody that comes by like is a super
Speaker 4: fan and knows the whole school.
Speaker 3: Everyone knows the whole.
Speaker 2: No one's wand let's try this restaurant.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, it'd be like wandering past Disneyland and be.
Speaker 2: Like, I've never heard exactly, wonder if they do serve
Speaker 2: good pretzels?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Crazy?
Speaker 4: So that pool party, but like, okay, so first only,
Speaker 4: and then of course I got to talk about Joe.
Speaker 3: Joe, Joe. Okay, let's just talk about Shoe.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk.
Speaker 4: You look at the reel that I sent you of
Speaker 4: the two people imitating Schwartz and Joe.
Speaker 2: You sent it via Instagram.
Speaker 3: Oh so you can't go there, Okay, have to re
Speaker 3: download the app and get on Okay, they never buy. Okay.
Speaker 3: So there's these two they lay do in, these two.
Speaker 4: Buddy people that I follow. They would imitate succession and everything.
Speaker 4: They're like good communic actors.
Speaker 7: So they do a se of Schwartz and Joe, and
Speaker 7: Joe was just like like doing all these things and
Speaker 7: then and then he's like ok and then she like
Speaker 7: I'm like, what are you what is going odd?
Speaker 3: And then she's like, oh hi, all righty.
Speaker 4: Oh my, and then he and then she's like, oh yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean are we dating or we're not?
Speaker 3: And it just is very odd.
Speaker 4: So I get why everyone's like yeah, and it is weird,
Speaker 4: and it would be annoying if you were Christen's really
Speaker 4: good friend. Yes, and then you acted sympathetic to the
Speaker 4: breakup of Katie and Schwartz and then you waizled your
Speaker 4: fucking vagina in there, and now you're on the show
Speaker 4: with a mic pack.
Speaker 3: But I don't blame the producers for putting a.
Speaker 4: Mic pack on her, but you have to because she
Speaker 4: actually is in the group, and like that's all fine,
Speaker 4: but like, how annoying.
Speaker 3: That Like you're like, really, bitch, you know.
Speaker 2: I think that's the word annoying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I find her and I could be up in
Speaker 1: the night, but I just look at her and their
Speaker 1: interactions and I go, this is a human that is harmless.
Speaker 1: She's too quirky. I mean I think she yeah, and
Speaker 1: I think I think. I say in one of the episodes,
Speaker 1: I always talk about how how vaginas don't just fall
Speaker 1: on Dix, and I say, in this case, I think
Speaker 1: of Vagina made.
Speaker 5: Just to fall on.
Speaker 2: It just doesn't seem like there's much thought.
Speaker 1: It's like we just do, which can be dangerous people
Speaker 1: who don't think things through.
Speaker 2: That's it gets a little scary.
Speaker 1: But like I look at her, and I've spoken to
Speaker 1: her briefly and watched their interaction, I'm like, this is
Speaker 1: not someone.
Speaker 5: Well, it's not malicious intent.
Speaker 4: I don't see that now listen, obviously things are edited,
Speaker 4: but when I was watching, I think the previous episode
Speaker 4: where they.
Speaker 3: Go on the swans in the water.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I just felt like, you think she's okay,
Speaker 4: maybe she's not out to ruin someone's life, but she's
Speaker 4: a thirst bucket. I'm sorry, she's dying to be on
Speaker 4: the show. Just okay, who doesn't want to be on
Speaker 4: the Hanah Show on TV?
Speaker 3: That's okay.
Speaker 4: But the fact that she comes and there she's like,
Speaker 4: didn't even tell you my turtle story. So I'm like, okay,
Speaker 4: so now you're coming with like bits like you like
Speaker 4: writing out, Like so I had a turtle and I
Speaker 4: walked it on a lee.
Speaker 3: And then and then it fell down a trade?
Speaker 2: Did that really happen?
Speaker 3: A story that came out of nowhere.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 4: Granted could have been editing. Maybe he mentioned something about it,
Speaker 4: but they're on Swans. It's not like they were writing turtles.
Speaker 2: She was like a turtle.
Speaker 4: Yes, I was like, I think I saw it for
Speaker 4: the second time and that sort of clicked into me.
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, she's just trying to come with bits
Speaker 4: so that she's like, let me secure my spot.
Speaker 6: You know, I Savandr Pump is not, in my opinion,
Speaker 6: this show to do that.
Speaker 5: It's just too real. There's way too there's some celebrity.
Speaker 2: That's who she is.
Speaker 3: Guys.
Speaker 2: She's quirky and a little strange.
Speaker 5: She's quirky.
Speaker 6: Remember at your Oh you were there at the live show?
Speaker 5: Remember that?
Speaker 2: Why was she at the live show?
Speaker 5: Don't know?
Speaker 3: Was Lala's live show? You mean Sheena's life show?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 5: This was a ran improv.
Speaker 1: I do not remember when.
Speaker 3: Lala was a guest of mine.
Speaker 5: No, this was I thought you were there together.
Speaker 2: Maybe not.
Speaker 5: It was the first give them Lala live show? You ever?
Speaker 3: Did?
Speaker 2: Ever? Did ever?
Speaker 5: Chris and Doty was there, Joe was there.
Speaker 2: Oh, well that's why she was there. She was with Dody.
Speaker 6: Okay, but she was like running back and forth helping
Speaker 6: the waiters.
Speaker 1: She's just a strange person and and there's nothing wrong
Speaker 1: with that, maybe.
Speaker 4: Like a little too earnest, like just how they were saying, like,
Speaker 4: you know, Tom Senemo is doing is doing too much
Speaker 4: to be nice, doing the most like let me run,
Speaker 4: let me chase the pizza guy down and see if
Speaker 4: he has a packet of ranch in there, you know,
Speaker 4: like and they're like, oh my god.
Speaker 3: He's doing too much. He's trying too hard.
Speaker 2: But you guys, he did that ship even before.
Speaker 3: That's what I thought. I remember like saying that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's so interesting to me because the only
Speaker 1: the only people that are trying to rewrite history are
Speaker 1: the fans.
Speaker 2: Literally, the only people that are rewriting history right now
Speaker 2: are fanned.
Speaker 5: What do you mean by.
Speaker 3: But the cast said he's doing too much?
Speaker 1: Now? Well, by the way, I have a feeling about
Speaker 1: my cast too. I feel like I'm after the reunion.
Speaker 1: I look at them very differently. I very much do.
Speaker 2: But why can't talk about that?
Speaker 3: Right? You can't talk about that?
Speaker 2: But this is who he's always been.
Speaker 1: He's always been the guy paying for true for people's
Speaker 1: engagement parties. He's been the guy to chase down the
Speaker 1: man for the ranch. He's doing the same shit he's
Speaker 1: always done. It's just now he's fucked you over.
Speaker 2: So it's annoying to you.
Speaker 6: Right on this podcast, Heather, what is your viewpoint on
Speaker 6: Sandoval and how people are how he's been this season, Arianna?
Speaker 5: Is she too hard on him? What is your thoughts
Speaker 5: on that?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 4: As someone watching it, I find it very intriguing.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, So.
Speaker 4: I kind of see it all, and of course you
Speaker 4: relate things, like the reason reality TV is so good,
Speaker 4: especially Branda Pump is there.
Speaker 3: Usually somebody can relate something to their own.
Speaker 4: Life, right, So I get you know that she's like,
Speaker 4: now she bought a house, but at this time she
Speaker 4: didn't want to leave, or maybe she didn't want to
Speaker 4: make him suffer a little. So so what how many
Speaker 4: divorces have been like dragged out because one person is like,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna you're gonna fucking pay for what you did
Speaker 4: in this marriage, whether it was cheat or leave or whatever,
Speaker 4: and I'm not gonna be amicable.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna make it easy for you and that's
Speaker 3: my choice.
Speaker 4: So like, if that's it, or also that she's just
Speaker 4: a disorganized person in the thought of moving is a
Speaker 4: lot which I get, Like, I get all that I love.
Speaker 4: I personally love seeing her telling them off. I feel
Speaker 4: like we never see a woman assert herself like in
Speaker 4: a fight like that.
Speaker 3: I feel like it's really real.
Speaker 4: And he also then can use that and be like,
Speaker 4: see you, guys, this is why I fucked another person.
Speaker 3: She's a Meani.
Speaker 4: She's a Meani cat like so, And then everyone has
Speaker 4: to sit around and watch them, and you're doing that
Speaker 4: because you guys really are friends and you're really watching
Speaker 4: a show, and he definitely has to be part of it.
Speaker 4: And I give her props for not being like I'm
Speaker 4: not going to show up.
Speaker 3: She's showing up to the stuff.
Speaker 4: But then the real part of her is like, like
Speaker 4: I hate you and I want you guys all to know.
Speaker 4: Like he wasn't good with the dog. I'm fucking pissed.
Speaker 3: It costs me six thousand dollars, right.
Speaker 1: But the dog was also eating shit when they were
Speaker 1: still together. And That's where I'm having a hard time,
Speaker 1: as I'm like, this is not new stuff, right, So
Speaker 1: the dog ate five hundred laxative pills hair dye.
Speaker 5: Like then he then I hear you.
Speaker 6: The one thing that bugs me about that, don't lock
Speaker 6: your dog in a room for four Don't lock a
Speaker 6: dog in a room for four hours.
Speaker 4: To me, that's what I think what happened is when
Speaker 4: she was trying to get a crosses. I don't think
Speaker 4: that Tom purposely was like, I'm knock the dog in
Speaker 4: it so that the dog who's a little off runs
Speaker 4: havoc in the room. I think it was sort of like,
Speaker 4: oh shit, I didn't realize I shut the door in
Speaker 4: the dog, right.
Speaker 3: But then in her defense.
Speaker 1: Again, and he could have left the door sure, I
Speaker 1: mean we all could have left the door open, and
Speaker 1: Anne could have walked by and realized, oh, this is open,
Speaker 1: and the dog could have been with the takeout container
Speaker 1: on the ground and no one even knows, right, why.
Speaker 2: Is the takeout container sitting garbage?
Speaker 4: Well, she she doesn't want to go downstairs when he's
Speaker 4: down there.
Speaker 3: Like, I get it all, and I get why.
Speaker 4: The cast is like the friends and everybody are like,
Speaker 4: but you're doing fine, Like you've made all this money,
Speaker 4: You've got the lemonade is like flowing. But at the
Speaker 4: same time, yeah, she got all these opportunities and she
Speaker 4: took them and that's great, but that doesn't mean that
Speaker 4: she should get over this any quicker, and that if
Speaker 4: I'm just paying Devil's advocate because I see what you're
Speaker 4: saying on the show, and I get it. But at
Speaker 4: the same time, it's like when I've had stuff like
Speaker 4: that happen with me, people are like, why are you
Speaker 4: still harping on this thing that this person did to
Speaker 4: you that was so awful? You are doing great. You
Speaker 4: know your show didn't suffer. You are gone every weekend
Speaker 4: killing it, Like why do you why can't you just
Speaker 4: let it go?
Speaker 1: And I don't think anyone's wanting her to let it go.
Speaker 1: You're allowed, I get it. You're allowed to not let
Speaker 1: it go and go insane on him.
Speaker 2: Got it.
Speaker 1: The problem I'm having here is you're using all of
Speaker 1: these words that I very much feel. I can literally
Speaker 1: sit here and have empathy because I've felt those same things.
Speaker 1: The difference here is you choose to stay in the house,
Speaker 1: and everyone can say he should have left. I agree,
Speaker 1: But we now know who Tom Sandival is. Tom Sandevil's
Speaker 1: a guy that has sex with your best friend in
Speaker 1: your home while you're, you know, mourning the death of
Speaker 1: your grandmother. He's shown, so let's not say here and
Speaker 1: be like, I can't believe you wouldn't move out. He's
Speaker 1: shown who he is, so now we have to take
Speaker 1: control of the things we can control, which are ourselves.
Speaker 1: If he's making you feel this way and you're staying
Speaker 1: in the house, I got questions. If he makes you
Speaker 1: lose your mind like this and you are traumatized by
Speaker 1: what he has done, I want to know how you
Speaker 1: can move on to a new boyfriend in ten days.
Speaker 1: I'm genuinely wondering this because when someone's using the same
Speaker 1: words that I'm using, and I feel for you, I
Speaker 1: want you to shed knowledge on how you can stay
Speaker 1: in the same house and get a boyfriend in ten days.
Speaker 1: How do you compartmentalize? I don't understand it.
Speaker 4: Okay, well those are all good points, but I think
Speaker 4: the same argument goes when people are like, why didn't
Speaker 4: you tell about your abuser?
Speaker 3: Like why didn't you go? Why did you stay married?
Speaker 4: Why did you It's like, I don't really think we
Speaker 4: can ever figure out why someone does or doesn't do
Speaker 4: what they did. She found the other boyfriend in ten
Speaker 4: days because it felt great and she liked having that.
Speaker 4: She didn't want to move on in the house because
Speaker 4: she's like, fuck it, why should I be inconvenience? Let
Speaker 4: him fucking suffer. Maybe she's not even bothered by him.
Speaker 4: Maybe she's like, I'm glad that he's bothered by me.
Speaker 4: You know, we don't really like it was a pretty
Speaker 4: big deal. And the other thing is being that it's public.
Speaker 4: Even if she's having a great day and she just
Speaker 4: got a deal with the battery company and you know,
Speaker 4: she's happy, it's like she could still open something on
Speaker 4: her phone and be reminded of the humiliation. Of course,
Speaker 4: how did you not know? And you're dumb, and how
Speaker 4: did you not see it? And you deserve it because
Speaker 4: you didn't have sex.
Speaker 3: With him and all of that.
Speaker 4: So then then that can set her back, Like maybe
Speaker 4: she's doing great, and then that sets her back, and
Speaker 4: then the cameras are up the next day, and that's
Speaker 4: when she snaps at the beach, you know, like.
Speaker 1: Right, and I understand, I fully understand, But we're talking
Speaker 1: about a man Tom Sandaval who season nine was screaming
Speaker 1: or season whatever season we brought on these random people
Speaker 1: season eight losing his goddamn mind on everybody.
Speaker 2: And Arian is sitting across from me saying the thing.
Speaker 1: I love about that's what I love about Tom Sandaval
Speaker 1: And I said that he yells at.
Speaker 3: Women, and when was he what women was yelling at me?
Speaker 1: Has consistently been unkind to me, He's consistently been unkind.
Speaker 1: Yeah to Katie and who has never come to anyone's defense,
Speaker 1: Ariano Maddox, not once she falls back, lets it happen.
Speaker 1: And now suddenly, because you're on the receiving end of
Speaker 1: his misogynistic ways, you're looking for backup. I again, there's
Speaker 1: only one way to look at it.
Speaker 4: No, but I can totally relate to that too, because
Speaker 4: you know, you know a personal thing I went through
Speaker 4: with a friend and I saw him do this to
Speaker 4: other women, and I was like, well, there's two sides
Speaker 4: of the story.
Speaker 3: He's not doing to me.
Speaker 4: He's a delight to me. He can't And once it
Speaker 4: happened to me and other people in my life were like,
Speaker 4: la la, la, la la. I don't think it happened.
Speaker 4: I don't know the story. I don't care.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna just go on because he's pleasant to me.
Speaker 4: And then now now like exponentialize that by like sex
Speaker 4: and merit or you know relationship, so all your points
Speaker 4: are right. But at the same time, like she was
Speaker 4: the girlfriend she she looks she did the bad stuff too.
Speaker 4: She cheated on with him when he was with Kristin Doty.
Speaker 4: She liked it very much being in that passenger.
Speaker 1: Sit So what can't happen here is when my life
Speaker 1: went to shit. I was grilled by Lisa vander pomp
Speaker 1: I was grilled by my cast members. Now, one person said,
Speaker 1: you know what, let's ease up on law. She probably
Speaker 1: should have known, but she didn't, and there's a baby involved.
Speaker 1: I'm asking the qu questions that I think a lot
Speaker 1: of the audience would want to know.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Bottom line, we're filming a television show. It's an ensemble cast,
Speaker 1: and I understand that it can be uncomfortable. But if
Speaker 1: my ex were a part of vander Pump rules, I
Speaker 1: would have to have uncomfortable conversations with him.
Speaker 2: It's just the name of the game.
Speaker 1: I actually had prepared myself season ten for them to
Speaker 1: bring my ex into the mix while you're still together,
Speaker 1: while we when we had broken up. I was fully prepared.
Speaker 3: You're just thinking worst case scenario, they're going.
Speaker 2: To bring him on.
Speaker 1: I had a conversation with production, I said, two things
Speaker 1: are going to happen. You bring him back I walk,
Speaker 1: or you bring him back and you cut. Not a
Speaker 1: word that I say because I'm mentioning it all. Well,
Speaker 1: they can't do that. Yeah, So there was a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff happening, and I'm so happy for the opportunities
Speaker 1: that Arianna has gotten.
Speaker 2: She deserves them all.
Speaker 1: I always say, when someone opens the door, they can't
Speaker 1: take credit for you taking down the whole house. Right,
Speaker 1: Arianna took over the whole house, and she deserves that.
Speaker 1: She has proven to be a talented actress, a talented dancer.
Speaker 1: One has nothing to do with the other. I went
Speaker 1: onto this season and when things didn't make sense, I
Speaker 1: asked questions and was essentially looked at like someone who
Speaker 1: doesn't support women anymore, someone who's jealous.
Speaker 4: I now, you've seen the whole season, but for me,
Speaker 4: who's watched this many, I don't think you're appearing that way.
Speaker 4: As someone who's watching it, I don't think it's appearing
Speaker 4: that way.
Speaker 5: I think I think it's yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: I think you're I don't think you're coming off bad.
Speaker 4: And I'm not just saying that because you're my friend
Speaker 4: and you're sitting across from me. I don't think what
Speaker 4: you're saying.
Speaker 3: Comes off that at all.
Speaker 4: I think when you had the conversation with her on
Speaker 4: the street corner, I thought that was a really good
Speaker 4: conversation and she was receptive. And I also saw her
Speaker 4: side of like, am I supposed to do some big
Speaker 4: posts like stand down Ariana? Fans don't write Sena And
Speaker 4: she was like, I'm just not saying anything, hope, because
Speaker 4: there's such it's such a at that time, everybody would
Speaker 4: write an article about everything with a headline on page six.
Speaker 4: You know, Arianna says, you know, she didn't mean it,
Speaker 4: so I get why she didn't do it, But then
Speaker 4: she did like reach out, so your words were taken
Speaker 4: in right.
Speaker 3: She did see it, But I also saw her her being.
Speaker 4: Like, you guys are you know, because you guys are
Speaker 4: going to start to accept Tom and he's going to
Speaker 4: be a good friend to you, and he's going to
Speaker 4: be sweet and charming, and he's gonna run after the
Speaker 4: car for the ranch and eventually you're gonna have stuff,
Speaker 4: and then it's going to be like, well, I think
Speaker 4: we just you know, let's not even put Ariana through this,
Speaker 4: we won't invite her, and then before she knows that
Speaker 4: she is the one on the outs and when she
Speaker 4: said that on the street corner, I'm like, that is
Speaker 4: very possible, and it's not yours and Sheena's fault for
Speaker 4: allowing him back in or James for allowing him back in.
Speaker 4: It's not your fault, but it might be she might
Speaker 4: be the casualty in the end.
Speaker 6: I have to say with last night's episode, that's the
Speaker 6: first time I saw you and thought, oh, this is
Speaker 6: going in direction and not because of Look, I'm an outsider,
Speaker 6: so I can say this. I'm not blaming editing, but
Speaker 6: there are certain things that you know, Ariana would say
Speaker 6: something and then the editors would flash back to certain to.
Speaker 5: Like uh uh, look like her what she was saying.
Speaker 6: She'd say like, oh, well I did this, and then
Speaker 6: they'd flash back to all the times that she did
Speaker 6: that to support what she was saying, and then like,
Speaker 6: you know, they've got moments of you, like saying the
Speaker 6: trash bag thing, or like keeping certain cuts in the beach.
Speaker 6: And again it's not the editors, I get it, but
Speaker 6: I am wondering. Now this feels like a turning point
Speaker 6: for me, I want to know, Okay, next week, what is.
Speaker 5: The episode going to look like?
Speaker 6: Like, what what direction is it going?
Speaker 5: It's it's just it.
Speaker 4: And I also like that you were like, look, I'm
Speaker 4: coming from this place because I and this is wow
Speaker 4: I interpreted as someone watching it, I think you're like,
Speaker 4: I wasted too much time being so bitter and angry,
Speaker 4: and I'm never going.
Speaker 3: To get that time back.
Speaker 4: So I think in you counseling her, you were like,
Speaker 4: no one's saying that you shouldn't be hurt, but if
Speaker 4: there's a way to redirect your energy, you know, so
Speaker 4: that you don't lose days and you don't lose hours,
Speaker 4: and you don't you know, Like, I think that was
Speaker 4: a I think that was like a girlfriend kind of
Speaker 4: thing to say.
Speaker 3: I don't think that was making about you.
Speaker 4: I think that was like, look, I'll never get that
Speaker 4: year back that I was just like wanting to fucking
Speaker 4: kill somebody.
Speaker 1: Well, I remember being really appreciative of when my dad
Speaker 1: died and I was acting out and she had sat
Speaker 1: me down and said, like, when my dad died, this
Speaker 1: is what happened and how the group treated me, and
Speaker 1: it was almost like she's she's showing me a window
Speaker 1: into what this looks like with this group. And so
Speaker 1: when I when I bring things up that I've experienced,
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that I can show her a window.
Speaker 2: And there are nuances right.
Speaker 1: Like she she may have not as been as with
Speaker 1: her dad is I was with my dad. There's so
Speaker 1: many nuances. No one situation is the same. But like
Speaker 1: with the dog thing, and she doesn't want to talk
Speaker 1: to him and have a productive conversation, the only thing
Speaker 1: I can relate to that is her dog is her baby.
Speaker 2: Ocean is my baby. There are times where in.
Speaker 1: My situation, I said I'm never talking to this human again,
Speaker 1: and then something happens where we have to have a
Speaker 1: productive conversation where I have to let every.
Speaker 2: Single thing go for the well being.
Speaker 1: Of my daughter. In this situation, the dog almost died.
Speaker 1: You have to now, while you're in the house, put
Speaker 1: everything he's done to you aside and have a productive conversation,
Speaker 1: as hard as that fucking is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I thought you came off great in that.
Speaker 3: I don't think that was wow.
Speaker 4: She was just really still like heated, and I think
Speaker 4: she wants It's like when you are fighting with someone
Speaker 4: and sadly people do this with their children, Yeah, where
Speaker 4: they're like, see see what.
Speaker 3: Your dad did? Fucking unbelievable and the kid's like a nine.
Speaker 4: What Like, I feel like she she at that moment
Speaker 4: at the water thing at the house when she was like,
Speaker 4: don't talk to me and she's yelling at him and everything.
Speaker 4: She just wanted she wanted to be performative. She wanted
Speaker 4: you guys to see that, and it of course made
Speaker 4: everybody uncomfortable, but it was a real, real moment.
Speaker 3: And it's like why in when you're not on.
Speaker 4: A reality show, most people lose friends or pick sides
Speaker 4: or whatever because it really doesn't work. I mean, it
Speaker 4: really doesn't work except that you guys are on a show.
Speaker 3: I mean it.
Speaker 1: Well, that's what was very hard about filming this season.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I love that.
Speaker 1: You're here because you're a reality head just like I am,
Speaker 1: and you know what goes into it, right, And there's
Speaker 1: the thing I love about vander Pomper Rules is it's
Speaker 1: so authentic and all of us have a connection from
Speaker 1: years ago, and it's this this web that like you
Speaker 1: cannot make up, right, and then something happens where not
Speaker 1: only does it affect the friend group. But we've been
Speaker 1: filming a television show with each other, most of them
Speaker 1: for eleven years. Okay, so how are we going to
Speaker 1: keep our sanity in our inner piece while also doing
Speaker 1: what we love to do, which is film a show
Speaker 1: it's also responsible for paying our bills? How are we
Speaker 1: supposed to do that? And so when I came into
Speaker 1: this season, I think it was hard for everybody. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people were living in the comments section.
Speaker 1: They knew that Arianna had a lot of fans, and
Speaker 1: they were not about to go against her and get
Speaker 1: the smoke.
Speaker 2: I think that's where I get glad.
Speaker 1: That I don't look at comments because I'm so terrified
Speaker 1: of them that I kind of just get to say
Speaker 1: whatever I want, And had maybe I looked in the
Speaker 1: comment section, I'd be.
Speaker 2: Doing the same thing that they're doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then knowing like I support my friend so much,
Speaker 1: like I've been here, rip his fucking head off, then
Speaker 1: all the nuances of living with him still and having
Speaker 1: questions about how you can get a new boyfriend. But
Speaker 1: then how the fuck do we make a show that
Speaker 1: I love so much and it's single handedly responsible for
Speaker 1: the opportunities that have come my way for the last
Speaker 1: ten years of my life. Yeah, you know where I'm
Speaker 1: looking around at everybody and I'm like, we're an ensemble cast.
Speaker 1: Y'all better not but you guys better not fuck this
Speaker 1: up because there's more at stake than just yourselves.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think that you guys are doing a
Speaker 4: really good job.
Speaker 3: I think it's so good.
Speaker 4: Well, I think it's so real and like funny and
Speaker 4: good and interesting. Like I think it's better than last season.
Speaker 2: Really watch you Yeah Okay, I wait.
Speaker 4: Last season was just the See we didn't know they
Speaker 4: were fucking right, and we have we have have three
Speaker 4: extra episodes, right and one the demise. Yeah, but like
Speaker 4: that was only fun once we knew and then you
Speaker 4: could go.
Speaker 2: Back back and watch it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but when it was happening and they were just
Speaker 4: going glamping and the fake Schwartz try to kiss Raquel,
Speaker 4: that like wasn't interesting to me.
Speaker 1: And yeah, you know what, maybe it would have been
Speaker 1: a completely different thing. I mean, I thought before we
Speaker 1: found this out, we had a pretty interesting season ten happening,
Speaker 1: just like as I lived it, I'm like, okay, this
Speaker 1: is interesting.
Speaker 2: This season.
Speaker 1: Season eleven, the finale is where Fourth Wall is broken.
Speaker 2: And I lose my goddamn mind. And I think there's
Speaker 2: going to be a shift with my cast.
Speaker 1: I actually know there is because I've already lived it,
Speaker 1: and there's gonna be a huge shift I think with
Speaker 1: the audience, and I will be staying off of socials
Speaker 1: and telling my team I don't want to know shit
Speaker 1: because I lose my goddamn mind.
Speaker 3: Okay, well look.
Speaker 4: I think you know, yeah, I think of as I
Speaker 4: think it's very intriguing, like very real, and that's why
Speaker 4: I was like, Okay, I know where Lawa is coming from,
Speaker 4: but I also know where Ariana is coming from, and
Speaker 4: which is why after I was watching last night and
Speaker 4: knowing I was going to see you today, I was like,
Speaker 4: you know, okay, I'm gonna tell her what I really think.
Speaker 3: And I mean, I'm glad that you're like.
Speaker 4: I'm glad that we're like having a real conversation. I'm
Speaker 4: not just like come on your show and be like, yeah,
Speaker 4: the best. And I think everything you're saying is right.
Speaker 4: I'm just kind of.
Speaker 3: Seeing to where she's coming from.
Speaker 4: And I bet like she's watching last night and probably
Speaker 4: like it's like that scene where she goes and I've
Speaker 4: been this girl too, or she's had a couple drinks
Speaker 4: and she's still angry about what's happening. It doesn't matter
Speaker 4: if she's made a million dollars what's fun.
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't.
Speaker 3: Money doesn't happen.
Speaker 4: Like I've had things happen to me, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: did it turn out in the end be okay? Because
Speaker 4: of like maybe there was some you know, good thing
Speaker 4: financially out of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But if I could go back.
Speaker 4: Six months to take away the trauma, I would have
Speaker 4: taken away the trauma, like you.
Speaker 3: Re light for her.
Speaker 4: Maybe it was life changing money, but like still like
Speaker 4: she's still living in the same house, still in the
Speaker 4: same show.
Speaker 3: Wasn't one all of a sudden. She had three private jets, you.
Speaker 2: Know, and it's not like the new house is someone straw.
Speaker 3: I guess to like right, get on her feet.
Speaker 4: So I think when she sees that he brings a girl,
Speaker 4: a twenty five real girl, and she's just like I
Speaker 4: thought that was so real and being like, oh, hi, yeah,
Speaker 4: you're twenty five.
Speaker 3: That makes sense.
Speaker 5: Being a friend.
Speaker 4: Maybe don't get with a forty one year old narcissist.
Speaker 4: I mean, now she's gonna watch.
Speaker 3: That and she's gonna be a little bit mortified.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not she's not watching this season.
Speaker 3: Okay, well if she did, if it was me, I
Speaker 3: would be like Heather, But I can see I could.
Speaker 4: I could in the moment and a couple of drinks
Speaker 4: and the cameras and he's there and he's bringing this girl,
Speaker 4: and you're like, oh, you think you're gonna have a
Speaker 4: mic pack on next month, you fucking loser. Let me
Speaker 4: tell you something, girl, you're twenty five. You're being you know,
Speaker 4: da da da, Like whatever.
Speaker 3: I don't even think. I don't even know if you dated.
Speaker 4: That girl at all, but like whatever, I kind of
Speaker 4: loved it just because I was like, yeah, that's.
Speaker 3: You know, you want to act like you're cool and
Speaker 3: you don't care, but.
Speaker 1: To release release one sentence it is like a purge
Speaker 1: and an intoxicating high to jenn I personally.
Speaker 4: Listen, I've watched the show forever, Ariana. I can't even
Speaker 4: tell you if she's ever had a storyline until now.
Speaker 1: But that's the other thing people are forgetting.
Speaker 4: But that's why I feel like, that's why it's kind
Speaker 4: of popping for her this season, because she I haven't
Speaker 4: really seen her fight or personality or anything like. There
Speaker 4: was a I believe strongly in sketch comedy, and then
Speaker 4: there was the I bisexual at the parade. I don't
Speaker 4: remember anything else like other than her just looking really
Speaker 4: cute and being a delight the show. Like I don't
Speaker 4: remember her driving anything, which is not her fault, like
Speaker 4: whatever if her deal was to sit in the back
Speaker 4: seat to Tom Santoval and have her life and now
Speaker 4: you know, so that's why I think it's interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's good. And then what do you think? Okay,
Speaker 3: so then Anne, let's talk about Anne.
Speaker 6: I mean, I love Anne by the way I love Ann.
Speaker 6: She dms relief, she DMed what she say. First off,
Speaker 6: we lived across the street from each other when I
Speaker 6: lived in Las Felis. She was like, she gave me
Speaker 6: her address, and I was like, girl, I lived right
Speaker 6: across the street from you.
Speaker 5: But she gave me some tea. I'm going to coffee
Speaker 5: with her. I'm not going to share any of it.
Speaker 1: Shut the fuck up. You're getting coffee with Anne.
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 6: But she was like, I love by the way she
Speaker 6: DMed and was like, I love the show.
Speaker 5: I thank you guys for mentioning.
Speaker 6: Yes, she said, but she gave me tea on some
Speaker 6: stuff we talked about. I'm gonna go to coffee and
Speaker 6: then I'll spill what I can.
Speaker 5: But she is, she's.
Speaker 2: Even if you just spill it, not on air, tell
Speaker 2: I'll tell you.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you. She knows, she knows. But what do
Speaker 5: you think of Anne? Heather?
Speaker 4: And is why it's very hard to hire an assistant
Speaker 4: in this town?
Speaker 3: Why?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 3: Hello?
Speaker 4: She's doing podcasts, She's talking shit about her boss on
Speaker 4: camera to someone else that'd say I want to work for.
Speaker 3: You, she's doing professionals. She's like, I mean, Mike, are
Speaker 3: you kidding me? Like no, oh my god?
Speaker 2: Can I tell you?
Speaker 8: Hey?
Speaker 3: I exist? Because like, I'm fucking.
Speaker 1: Terrified people that not just Tom but also Arion is
Speaker 1: surround themselves with I mean Arion is uh Arion His
Speaker 1: friends do podcasts like Brad by Brad or Logan like
Speaker 1: posts things about not going to Heaven. I'm like, if
Speaker 1: if Logan and Leo ever fucking showed up on a
Speaker 1: podcast or posted about vander Pump.
Speaker 2: Rules, I would have their heads on a platter.
Speaker 1: If Jessica wait and starting to talk like what well.
Speaker 5: The people the.
Speaker 4: Slogan and Leo, who I love, like, you know whatever.
Speaker 4: Let's say they're gonna come do Juicy scoop. First of all,
Speaker 4: I would let you know it. They should let you
Speaker 4: know it. We would only talk about probably not vander
Speaker 4: pump Roles.
Speaker 3: And you know, like I think if someone's gonna go.
Speaker 4: Do that and they're so close to someone, like they
Speaker 4: got to give them a heads up, like, hey, I
Speaker 4: got to ask you this podcast it's about fitness. I'm
Speaker 4: going in right away and saying, even though law is
Speaker 4: my best friend, don't fucking ask me about her. And
Speaker 4: so if you don't want me to only talk about fitness,
Speaker 4: then don't book me. And sometimes they'll be like oh yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: and then they might not book them. But anybody going
Speaker 4: after the thirty two lead in, you know, and the assistant,
Speaker 4: it's not to find out where Anne went to college
Speaker 4: and hear about her favorite you know, pasta dish. You know,
Speaker 4: it's to like talk about which is like, hey girl,
Speaker 4: I don't blame you.
Speaker 3: You got a job. They put you on camera, make
Speaker 3: it pop.
Speaker 2: But she was like this close in the FaceTime. Oh
Speaker 2: my god.
Speaker 6: When I saw Anne in a confessional. By the way,
Speaker 6: I have two viewpoints. Number one like, legally it's funny.
Speaker 6: She's funny.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she's almost like when the.
Speaker 6: Person character, Like when they hired her, she knew she
Speaker 6: was in sketch comedy. It's a different thing when you
Speaker 6: hire an assistant. In my opinion, who moves to Hollywood
Speaker 6: to be an actor. There's only one way it can go.
Speaker 6: I mean, so yes, does she have the pod cast
Speaker 6: called We Signed an Nda? Like she's gonna make it
Speaker 6: a thing when she can make it a thing. That
Speaker 6: being said, when I saw her in the confession, I
Speaker 6: was like, fuck yeah and laughing.
Speaker 1: And.
Speaker 4: She was like, I'm in this pink Catholic because I'm
Speaker 4: going to Barbie She's.
Speaker 5: She's like, I'm sweating, and I was like, and you were.
Speaker 3: She walked up three steps She's like, oh hi, I
Speaker 3: don't look.
Speaker 5: I just think she's fucking fantastic.
Speaker 4: They're all like, oh my god, you have to pick
Speaker 4: up from the pool party. I'm like, listen, some people
Speaker 4: need to do housework, whether you're a professional housekeeper or
Speaker 4: you're a jack of all trade.
Speaker 5: He's not how long has Anne van Rum?
Speaker 2: That's why it's like, and I don't think Anne knew about.
Speaker 4: Raquel the other people. A lot of things are saying,
Speaker 4: did Sheina know that? If she had, she must have
Speaker 4: not had Santaval's or Roquel's. Someone wrote, no, Raquel.
Speaker 2: No, that's what it's done.
Speaker 1: Of the one, the big tell was that Raquel stopped
Speaker 1: sharing her location with Sheena, and that's when she went
Speaker 1: to Big Bear.
Speaker 2: Yes, and that's when she.
Speaker 4: And that's why Joe, that's when Joe can't really be
Speaker 4: trusted because she was part of that.
Speaker 3: And I get it, so was Schwartz. He knew too.
Speaker 3: I get it. I get it.
Speaker 4: But like I think people can be skeptical of her,
Speaker 4: they don't. I mean, come on, like you're you're gonna
Speaker 4: turn Katie into liking Joe. It's never gonna have happened.
Speaker 4: I mean, Katie barely likes anybody. She's certainly not gonna.
Speaker 5: You're not gonna start looking Joe.
Speaker 3: I mean, I love Katie.
Speaker 4: I think she likes me, but like she's certainly like
Speaker 4: that is what is great about Katie is like she
Speaker 4: just fucking tells it like it is and then or
Speaker 4: it doesn't work out.
Speaker 6: Scene when she was like this and Jenna was like
Speaker 6: do you do you love it or something?
Speaker 5: And Katie was like no. I was like, I feel no.
Speaker 2: I would follow he dead.
Speaker 1: If there was something that Katy was like I really
Speaker 1: enjoy this, I'd be like enjoy Oh my gosh.
Speaker 5: Okay, so would you?
Speaker 3: Okay, who would you rather be stuck on an island with?
Speaker 6: And this has to be your last answer before before
Speaker 6: aig and relief?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Okay?
Speaker 2: Who are my names?
Speaker 3: We and there's just we don't know what be rescued?
Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, Billy Lee okay, Joe okay or Andy.
Speaker 1: Am Honestly I think Billy Lee that was second. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because we could have productive conversations. She's a back bitch.
Speaker 1: She could like really do damage with, Like we got.
Speaker 3: A hunt, yea coconut, she.
Speaker 1: Can crack a coconut, Like, I just feel like she
Speaker 1: would be someone who's like a well rounded person, right.
Speaker 3: Like, we're gonna get the ship done, and what the.
Speaker 2: Fuck we are?
Speaker 3: I can't believe.
Speaker 5: I never want this to head.
Speaker 3: There's a ship goes by, they don't see us.
Speaker 5: That is so much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Billy Lee really good?
Speaker 1: Okay an relief, Heather. We do this every episode Easton.
Speaker 1: You start us off you'll go last, so they can
Speaker 1: kind of know.
Speaker 8: All right, I can go. Mine's gonna be really stupid
Speaker 8: in a sense. But my n C double a bracket.
Speaker 8: My ache is that it's trash. So that's done, and
Speaker 8: that was a real ache.
Speaker 2: And my relief is that I don't have to care
Speaker 2: about it anymore. And we got March Madness still coming.
Speaker 5: Final four.
Speaker 2: That's I love it, Okay. What is yours?
Speaker 5: Mine?
Speaker 1: Is?
Speaker 6: I am thirty two and I have hormonal acne all
Speaker 6: of a sudden. I think it's because I got off
Speaker 6: the birth control pill like six months ago.
Speaker 5: Get pregnant. Absolutely not. I'm trying to not take artificial hormones.
Speaker 5: Good for you, very happy, but now I'm getting hormonal acne.
Speaker 6: You can't see it right now, but that's my ache,
Speaker 6: and my relief is I don't have one, so let
Speaker 6: me know, like, do I start getting crazy facials, derma planing?
Speaker 1: You know what, We're really really lucky that I'm about
Speaker 1: to give birth soon because if it keeps up, I'm
Speaker 1: going to give you a little bit of breast milk
Speaker 1: in like a little peatree and I.
Speaker 2: Put it on and then you just put it on your.
Speaker 6: Face, Okay, so breast milk and then if that works,
Speaker 6: I'm buying it off the black market.
Speaker 2: From vitamin A. You should be taking a vitamin A
Speaker 2: something really Yes.
Speaker 5: Oh I'm adding this. Thank you.
Speaker 4: You're also I want to say, have you tried those
Speaker 4: little acne stickers?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Those are the best, Like literally it brings the pus
Speaker 4: up for the next morning.
Speaker 2: I swear by them as well. They're the best.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 1: My ache of the week, to be honest, I don't
Speaker 1: really have one. I'm thriving this week. My daughter is healthy,
Speaker 1: her bounce back has happened like that, I will say.
Speaker 1: My relief of the week was that I got a
Speaker 1: facial and I was under the impression that the only
Speaker 1: facials to get involved lasers and injecting things into your face.
Speaker 1: And come to find out, you can get a facial
Speaker 1: that is pregnancy friendly, and there's a lot of them
Speaker 1: out there. Yeah, I'm like, wait a minute, and where.
Speaker 2: You don't inject anything into my face. What kind of
Speaker 2: facial is.
Speaker 3: I can't know if you don't get normal facials the best.
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna start. I did like a derma planing
Speaker 1: one that was fabulous.
Speaker 4: Shave in the face can you believe that, Like, we
Speaker 4: only started shaving our faces after Kelly Dodd screamed at
Speaker 4: Shannon Badoor and.
Speaker 3: Said, shave your faces. And now everyone.
Speaker 4: Shaves face like we were always told, like you just
Speaker 4: had to live with your fucking peaches.
Speaker 3: Since I saw that episode.
Speaker 4: I started doing it and I love it, And I
Speaker 4: can't believe it's like a huge industry now that really
Speaker 4: didn't exist like seven years ago.
Speaker 2: No, you're right.
Speaker 1: Usually, like I'm pretty consistent with taking a Gillette men's
Speaker 1: razor to the face, but dermal planing is like so
Speaker 1: close to the skin.
Speaker 2: I highly recommend it.
Speaker 4: I also think a new thing that no one's going
Speaker 4: to care about is nipple covers anymore.
Speaker 3: It's all about having heard.
Speaker 4: At a boutique and I saw the silicon nipple covers.
Speaker 4: I go, have those dropped a lot in sales?
Speaker 3: And she said yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: And I said, I can imagine why. I mean, people
Speaker 4: are buying bras with nips out. Yeah, but in my
Speaker 4: day you had to cover them well or you don't
Speaker 4: want one heart and want to sleep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. The puffy nip, you'ld puff nip.
Speaker 1: But the only time I wear a nipple cover is
Speaker 1: if like you can see that, it's like there's a
Speaker 1: nipple there, like the coller the color of it. Right,
Speaker 1: what's your age and relief?
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, my ache. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I had such a great week like Kinita and Easter
Speaker 4: and oh I got okay. So maybe the ache is
Speaker 4: kids getting older. But the relief was we had the
Speaker 4: best Easter egg hunt we've ever had with twenty one.
Speaker 3: Nineteen, eighteen, and sixteen year olds.
Speaker 2: And I put money in the eggs.
Speaker 4: We put money in the eggs, candy and the eggs,
Speaker 4: and then I made challenges that they had to do.
Speaker 4: So once they got all their eggs, they opened them
Speaker 4: and so and they were things to like entertain us
Speaker 4: and make us feel good.
Speaker 3: So it was my sister's family.
Speaker 4: So it would be like what makes your mom better
Speaker 4: than all the other moms? So then we got like
Speaker 4: a nice compliment. And then it would be like imitate
Speaker 4: your dad in the morning, so that would be funny.
Speaker 4: I made like Brandon do a rap.
Speaker 3: That's so like, and they had to do it. They
Speaker 3: had to do it, like one nephew had to turn
Speaker 3: into why are we drinking dance?
Speaker 4: So it was really fun and I don't think any
Speaker 4: of that stuff you have to stop doing.
Speaker 3: And then we did. Peter got this little like gingerbread house.
Speaker 4: But it was for Easter at Costco, okay, and so
Speaker 4: then the kids like put it together and then Brandon
Speaker 4: was like, oh, let's film it like selling Sunset. So
Speaker 4: I got into a slutty outfit with a blazer and
Speaker 4: I and I sold the house for eighteen million and
Speaker 4: we had a little video and he did the whole
Speaker 4: thing and we found the music like I'm a bad
Speaker 4: that you gotta do to you know those songs something
Speaker 4: do like selling Sunset, like zoom man and like do
Speaker 4: like he did like a zoom overhaul of the candy
Speaker 4: and I, yeah, so I did posted yeah, but I
Speaker 4: guess you can't go to it.
Speaker 2: I can read down yeah, And then wow, this was
Speaker 2: a fact.
Speaker 3: Can I tell me where I'm going to be for
Speaker 3: my stand up on.
Speaker 2: Your plug plung? I was just gonna ask you to plug.
Speaker 3: This is this are is Wednesday? Right, yep? Okay?
Speaker 4: So this Friday and Saturday, I will be Palm Beach
Speaker 4: at the Cravit Center, two shows a night. Everything at
Speaker 4: heathermcdonald dot net. Lots of other cities. But Changum doing
Speaker 4: Pachangam'm doing Denver, I'm doing Scottsdale.
Speaker 3: All so many good things coming out.
Speaker 1: And where can people follow you to like see schedules
Speaker 1: and watch you be fucking hilarious all the time.
Speaker 4: Heatherydill dot net is where you go to get the schedule,
Speaker 4: and that's the only place you should buy the tickets.
Speaker 4: Do not google Heather and Scottsdale because you'll end up
Speaker 4: paying more. Okay, go to Heather McDonald dot net, and
Speaker 4: then of course at Heather McDonald on Instagram, TikTok all
Speaker 4: the things.
Speaker 1: And then obviously Juicy and Juicy Scooped podcast every Tuesday Thursday.
Speaker 3: Love it. It's so good.
Speaker 1: It's the only podcast I listened to besides Dateline and
Speaker 1: then you too.
Speaker 4: Thank you Heather, and I love I love, I get
Speaker 4: the I listen to yours, and I also do the
Speaker 4: Dateline and I really love it. Driving out to the desert, yes.
Speaker 1: What I do.
Speaker 4: Otherwise you get kind of tired and you're like, wait,
Speaker 4: what's going on? Like it keeps you thinking and then
Speaker 4: and then like you're imagining it as like you're as
Speaker 4: you're driving, You're like.
Speaker 3: I wonder if that's what the house looks like.
Speaker 1: I do the exact same thing, and now every time
Speaker 1: I drive, I'm like, I wonder if there's a body.
Speaker 1: It's like a car is pulled over and I'm like,
Speaker 1: they murdered something and they're dumping the body.
Speaker 3: You almost feel like you're in it. Yeah right, I
Speaker 3: love it.
Speaker 1: You guys, thank you so much for listening to another
Speaker 1: episode of the Give Them Lalla podcast.
Speaker 2: I love y'all, and I'll catch you nixt week