Speaker 1: Previously on number one Dad. So I did some investigating
Speaker 1: and I was able to find out that he's been
Speaker 1: a defendant or plaintiff in twenty three court cases since
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 2: That's just very good.
Speaker 1: Do you ask your mom ever about this? No, we
Speaker 1: wouldn't talk about it to this day. I have not
Speaker 1: talked to my mom about my father in twenty four years. Wow,
Speaker 1: So I have something to tell you. It's good news.
Speaker 1: I saw the podcast to iHeartRadio, but there is a catch.
Speaker 1: It's about my father. Well, that didn't go as I'd hoped.
Speaker 3: I think you need to understand her hesitation.
Speaker 4: Obviously, because your father hasn't gone after you the past
Speaker 4: twenty years.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know what to do. You're gonna
Speaker 1: keep going? I mean, obviously there was a ton of
Speaker 1: stuff that was bad in our childhood, But do you
Speaker 1: have any fond memories?
Speaker 4: I feel like the happiest stuff we had going on
Speaker 4: in our childhood was the traveling that we did, although
Speaker 4: we probably lied and scam just to get us on
Speaker 4: the vacation.
Speaker 1: I have two sisters, and that's one of them. Jamie.
Speaker 1: I feel the exact same way as her. My best
Speaker 1: memories with my family were our vacations together. One of
Speaker 1: the few home videos I have is when we went
Speaker 1: to the Grand Canyon. It's wild to hear all of
Speaker 1: us in such a happy place. We're getting ready to
Speaker 1: go to the Grand Canyon, horseback riding right.
Speaker 5: Down the canyon.
Speaker 2: Excuse man the mid.
Speaker 1: But we're gonna be leaving in a few minutes as
Speaker 1: soon as we can get to India. Had a bed
Speaker 1: right over there, and it is so what do you
Speaker 1: think is the hardest part about having a comment for
Speaker 1: a father?
Speaker 4: It was a doomino effect of one lie after another
Speaker 4: led to our family really just falling apart.
Speaker 1: My father's behavior led to my parents getting divorced. Me
Speaker 1: and my sisters Jamie and Danny chose to stick with
Speaker 1: our mother. We all decided it would be best to
Speaker 1: completely cut Manny out of our lives, but it came
Speaker 1: out of cost. We weren't just ending things with him,
Speaker 1: we were separating from anyone who spoke to him. This
Speaker 1: included our grandparents, who we were all very close with. Sadly,
Speaker 1: I never had a chance to reconcile with them before
Speaker 1: they passed, and for me, this was the beginning of
Speaker 1: my ability just to completely cut people off, which is
Speaker 1: what I did to my oldest sister Danny. Years later,
Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen, I learned Danny reconnected with our father.
Speaker 1: I felt betrayed. It was a person I thought we
Speaker 1: all agreed to hate, so naturally I immediately stopped talking
Speaker 1: to her. I didn't tell her a reason, no conversation.
Speaker 1: It was just over and Danny and I haven't spoken since.
Speaker 1: But as much as this podcast is aimed at learning
Speaker 1: the truth about my cod Man father and possibly reconciling
Speaker 1: with him, the first relationship I want to repair is
Speaker 1: with Danny.
Speaker 4: So what are you gonna do?
Speaker 3: Are you gonna reach out to Danny?
Speaker 1: I does she still talk to him?
Speaker 4: I mean, I really don't think she does. She told
Speaker 4: me she doesn't, and I really do believe her.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, if I if I text her right now,
Speaker 1: what would I even say? I don't even know where
Speaker 1: to begin.
Speaker 4: I think what you need to do is make it
Speaker 4: short and sweet, and I think you need to just
Speaker 4: reach out to her and say you want to talk?
Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna write it. How's hi, Danny. I
Speaker 1: know it's been a while, but would you be up
Speaker 1: to talking? It's your brother Gary by the way, so
Speaker 1: it's good.
Speaker 4: She might not remember yet that.
Speaker 1: Uh what do I put like at like period at
Speaker 1: the end? Smiley face?
Speaker 3: What do I do the emoji? All right? Like?
Speaker 1: Is that good?
Speaker 3: I like?
Speaker 1: I know it's been a while, but would you be
Speaker 1: up to send it?
Speaker 3: Just send it?
Speaker 1: Okay? Just send it all right? And sending send Okay,
Speaker 1: I did it. Good job, This is number one Dad.
Speaker 1: Still nothing from Danny.
Speaker 4: It's been like twenty minutes. You've been dodging her for
Speaker 4: six years. Just give her a.
Speaker 1: Minute, all right. One memory I have with my dad
Speaker 1: is how we take on different personas. When he would
Speaker 1: talk to people. He was like some con owner's chameleon,
Speaker 1: constantly changing who he was to get stuff out of people.
Speaker 1: I was relieved to hear Jamie remembering him in the
Speaker 1: exact same way.
Speaker 4: But didn't matter where we were, he would turn himself
Speaker 4: into whatever character he needed to be. We could walk
Speaker 4: into a Greek restaurant and all of a sudden, he'd
Speaker 4: have a Greek accents. Yeah, you know, you walk into
Speaker 4: the Jewish Delhi and he's speaking Yiddish. He could be Russian.
Speaker 3: He's Russian, just.
Speaker 1: Like sneaking into MSG what fuel my father was this
Speaker 1: endless drive to know that he could pull one over
Speaker 1: on people, and it didn't matter how big or small
Speaker 1: an opportunity was. He had to know he could get
Speaker 1: away with it. My father didn't love to lie, he
Speaker 1: needed to. I was able to locate a YouTube clip
Speaker 1: of him back in twenty thirteen at the Israeli Day Parade.
Speaker 1: The prey takes place in New York City along Fifth Avenue.
Speaker 1: A lot of high profile politicians and diplomatic officers from
Speaker 1: various countries of ten which is a perfect event for
Speaker 1: someone like my father to mingle, and sure enough he
Speaker 1: brought his camera to give him access. The audio clip
Speaker 1: I'm about to play is him talking to two diplomats
Speaker 1: from Greece. It took me back and reminded me of
Speaker 1: how good of a bullshitter he is. Yasui. My father
Speaker 1: starts speaking Greek to them. He says, hello, in good health.
Speaker 1: What do you do for the florist of the vision?
Speaker 1: My father gets right down to business and asks what
Speaker 1: they do? Are you elected officials for a certain area?
Speaker 1: They respond, the Ambassador to the United Nations and the
Speaker 1: Counselor General. The Ambassador to the United nations in the count.
Speaker 5: If you need anything, you have my cod. Very ball
Speaker 5: in Washington, Younger.
Speaker 1: My dad tells them, if they need anything, you have
Speaker 1: my card. I'm very involved in Washington. They say, thank you.
Speaker 1: This is textbook my dad making himself sound more than
Speaker 1: he actually is. Get absolutely no involvement in Washington. Zero.
Speaker 1: But once again, just like everybody else, these guys bought it.
Speaker 1: I ran my sports illustrated scam with him. That was
Speaker 1: our thing. Did you have anything that ever took place
Speaker 1: when you were a kid.
Speaker 4: So a couple of experiences. I had been running track
Speaker 4: in high school. I was track, but we were running
Speaker 4: on the road. Par drove by kids did it. They
Speaker 4: slowed down and whacked us with lacrossticks. I did legitimately
Speaker 4: get a pretty bad injury to my arm at the time.
Speaker 4: After that, he had me going to neurologists. I'm having MRIs,
Speaker 4: I'm having all sorts of scans, and I'm getting stuck
Speaker 4: with like all sorts of needles in my arms and
Speaker 4: getting quarters on shots because he wants me to act
Speaker 4: like my injury is even worse for a payout. He
Speaker 4: was telling me what I should be saying. When the
Speaker 4: neurologists asked me questions. Make sure you tell them that
Speaker 4: these are the fingers you can't feel. You could feel
Speaker 4: these two, but you can't feel these three.
Speaker 3: Basically, you know, give.
Speaker 4: Like the specific symptoms of an injury that's going to
Speaker 4: show that I have like some kind of permanent damage
Speaker 4: to my arm. Given the opportunity, that guy will sue
Speaker 4: anybody totally.
Speaker 1: Did you have a specific moment where you're like, I'm
Speaker 1: cutting them off?
Speaker 4: He offered me one hundred dollars to not come to
Speaker 4: my high school graduation. He had a business meeting in Canada,
Speaker 4: which was like really interesting because at the time I
Speaker 4: don't remember him having a business. There was no business.
Speaker 4: Like one hundred dollars will substitute a parent's presence at
Speaker 4: one of these milestone events.
Speaker 1: Yeah, by the way, that one hundred dollars was counterfeit.
Speaker 4: It probably was.
Speaker 1: Where do you think he lives now?
Speaker 4: I believe he lives, possibly in that house in Dix Hills.
Speaker 1: In our childho at home.
Speaker 4: I believe ya.
Speaker 1: Back in the early eighties, my father owned and operated
Speaker 1: a furniture showroom a few blocks from the Empire State
Speaker 1: Building called Designer's Gallery, where he sold high end living
Speaker 1: room and dining room sets. As a kid, I remember
Speaker 1: my dad having my sisters and I act as walking billboards,
Speaker 1: wearing bright yellow Designer's Gallery t shirts and sweatshirts wherever
Speaker 1: we went. I was about five years old when the
Speaker 1: business abruptly closed. Recently, I discovered it was actually covered
Speaker 1: on the news well Long Island.
Speaker 6: After dozens of buyers claimed they were cheated. The state
Speaker 6: Attorney General's office filed suit yesterday against a Manhattan furniture dealer,
Speaker 6: seeking restitution, damages, and an order barring the firm from
Speaker 6: operating a furniture business in the state. The lawsuit was
Speaker 6: filed against VET Sales, Inc. And names its president Mandy Veder.
Speaker 6: VET Sales does business as Designer's Gallery on West thirty
Speaker 6: first Street. A spokeswoman for Attorney General Robert Abrams said
Speaker 6: the office had received more than one hundred complaints against
Speaker 6: the firm, including that it took deposits of up to
Speaker 6: twenty five hundred dollars, failed to deliver or deliver damaged goods,
Speaker 6: refused to return deposits, and failed to pay court judgments
Speaker 6: obtained by consumers.
Speaker 1: I reached out to Jkasak, one of my father's old
Speaker 1: associates in the furniture business. Jay and my father wore
Speaker 1: hand in hand on a lot of business deals, but
Speaker 1: they had a falling out, and I learned it's been
Speaker 1: three years since they last spoke. One of the first
Speaker 1: things Jay brought up was my dad's ability to adopt
Speaker 1: voices and accents.
Speaker 5: He speaks French and you know who knew?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't know that he spoke French either, right, I.
Speaker 5: Mean, his personality is unbelievable, you know how he does that.
Speaker 1: I remember my father being somebody who had to lie.
Speaker 1: Was he that way in business?
Speaker 5: Maybe I was naive at the time, right, But he
Speaker 5: knew how to do certain things. He knew how to
Speaker 5: manipulate people.
Speaker 1: Jay was hesitant to give specifics. I can't say for or,
Speaker 1: but just like my mom, I think people who have
Speaker 1: been involved with my father are reluctant to talk about
Speaker 1: him because they're afraid of possible repercussions or blowback.
Speaker 5: He knew how to get what he wanted. And I
Speaker 5: don't mean like salesmanship. He just knew what to say
Speaker 5: and it always came with a friendly smile and all
Speaker 5: of that. And that was really impressive. To me because
Speaker 5: I didn't know many people that could have done that.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah, there's salesmanship, and then there's my dad who's
Speaker 1: he just has a different type of quality about him
Speaker 1: that he's able to get things from people.
Speaker 5: And I saw it in action. I was very impressed
Speaker 5: meeting people, creating situations, getting them to do what he
Speaker 5: wanted them to do, and it all fell into place,
Speaker 5: and I learned some of those tricks, actually I really did.
Speaker 5: Those were those were great things, you know, things we
Speaker 5: were a little exaggerated, like sative things, but it worked.
Speaker 5: There was another other guy who knew him, also Eli,
Speaker 5: and he was from Brooklyn and he's still in touch
Speaker 5: with me. This fella, he was a retailer and he
Speaker 5: became a customer of Manny's as well, but he had
Speaker 5: he had some personal problems with Manny and getting the furniture,
Speaker 5: so he exited. But the two of them don't talk anymore.
Speaker 3: M all right.
Speaker 1: I just got off the subway and I am on
Speaker 1: my way to therapy. I don't know. Maybe part of
Speaker 1: the reason I'm doing this podcast is to show my
Speaker 1: dad that I didn't.
Speaker 3: End up blake him.
Speaker 1: Because the blueprint was there. That's probably what they're gonna
Speaker 1: be talking about today, Hibbabita. How's it going?
Speaker 2: Hi, Darry, I'm all right. Whis been happening since our
Speaker 2: last session?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 1: I tried talking to my mom and she doesn't want
Speaker 1: to be on the podcast, but I'm going to still,
Speaker 1: you know, push forward and try learning more about my dad.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think you're bringing up something that's going to be
Speaker 2: really relevant in your journey, like where are boundaries as
Speaker 2: far as how you're figuring this out? Because everybody is
Speaker 2: going to have their set of feelings. So I think
Speaker 2: a couple of questions that you could ask yourself, are
Speaker 2: there things about my father that are good? Because if
Speaker 2: there aren't, what does that mean about me? And I'm
Speaker 2: wondering if this quest might we say that it's also
Speaker 2: you ensuring Hey, I'm not all bad either. You know,
Speaker 2: there's some good stuff about me too, being his son. Yeah,
Speaker 2: what part of you connects to spaces where there are
Speaker 2: qualities of your dad? You'd say, oh, that exists.
Speaker 1: I don't know, really this is a quality. But back
Speaker 1: when I was a sophomore in college, I started stealing
Speaker 1: college exams. I was in this accounting class. I realized
Speaker 1: that my professor and the day of the exam, there
Speaker 1: are two classes, and I was in the later class,
Speaker 1: and he would lay out all the exams in alphabetical order,
Speaker 1: and they were in these big lecture halls. So what
Speaker 1: I would do is show up to the first class
Speaker 1: and just take a random person's tests off their desk,
Speaker 1: and then I go and I'd bring it to somebody
Speaker 1: who I knew was smart, and they would fill out
Speaker 1: all the answers, and then I would even sell that
Speaker 1: exam to other students that were in my class. I
Speaker 1: stole the midterm, I stole a final, so I was
Speaker 1: able to get away with this. And part of me
Speaker 1: is like, yeah, this is something my father would have done.
Speaker 1: I really felt that way, and I didn't like that
Speaker 1: feeling whatsoever.
Speaker 2: It's significant that you recognize that your behavior was exactly
Speaker 2: like your father's. How does that feel.
Speaker 1: It's scary. It's scary to think that there's a part
Speaker 1: of him that lives inside of me. Okay, but once
Speaker 1: I got out of college, I was like, I can't
Speaker 1: do anything like this. I can't be my father.
Speaker 2: What a turning point for you. Your dad laid a
Speaker 2: foundation of getting away with things from the time you
Speaker 2: were a little boy, like figuring out how to get
Speaker 2: away with it, even if it's like lying or cheating,
Speaker 2: even if things are illegal. As you're starting to uncover things,
Speaker 2: as you're hearing stories, I really think about is it
Speaker 2: possible to reconcile? Is it possible that there are pieces
Speaker 2: of my dad that I haven't known? But is it
Speaker 2: possible that maybe I won't But it doesn't matter. I
Speaker 2: just don't want to regret not knowing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: Like part of this also involves me talking to my
Speaker 1: sister Danny and her and I we haven't spoken in years,
Speaker 1: and I cut her off the same way I cut
Speaker 1: my dad off.
Speaker 2: Why did you cut off that relationship with your sister?
Speaker 1: My reason is because she started speaking to my dad
Speaker 1: and as soon as I found that out, I was like,
Speaker 1: I can't trust her anymore. But now here I am
Speaker 1: trying to learn more about my father and I get
Speaker 1: given him another chance, just like she did.
Speaker 2: I can see why you would want to speak to her.
Speaker 2: Are you concerned that you won't want to talk to
Speaker 2: you after all this time?
Speaker 1: Well, I sent her a text and I haven't heard
Speaker 1: back yet, but I'm hopeful that she's going to be
Speaker 1: up for talking to me.
Speaker 3: Great, you gets ready?
Speaker 5: We're going? Where are we going? Now?
Speaker 3: Guys?
Speaker 1: Where what to stop?
Speaker 2: Up?
Speaker 3: Where?
Speaker 1: Palm springs?
Speaker 3: Hi?
Speaker 2: James, what do you think?
Speaker 1: Damn?
Speaker 2: Yes, you guess?
Speaker 3: Darry, what do you said now?
Speaker 2: Shane Closet.
Speaker 1: I just got a text from Danny. She wants to talk,
Speaker 1: So I am gonna call her it FaceTime, actually, but
Speaker 1: I told her that doing a podcast about our father,
Speaker 1: and she's fully on board. So yeah, I'm gonna talk
Speaker 1: to my sister. Hey, Hey, I'll go first, just so
Speaker 1: we could clear the air a little bit.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: So I know, me texting you is like out of
Speaker 1: the blue, and I you know, it was a tough
Speaker 1: thing to do because you know, part of why I
Speaker 1: stopped talking to you altogether was because you you talked
Speaker 1: to our father, and you know, I want to I
Speaker 1: want to be honest with you, like I felt betrayed,
Speaker 1: like I didn't really want to have anything to do
Speaker 1: with him, and I felt that by you talking to
Speaker 1: him him, and if I was to continue to talk
Speaker 1: to you, it'd be somehow letting him into my life.
Speaker 1: And I feel bad that I've missed things over the
Speaker 1: last six years. Been a part of your life and
Speaker 1: your kids' lives, but it was something I felt that
Speaker 1: I needed to do so I wouldn't have him be
Speaker 1: a part of anything that I was doing.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not going to say that it hasn't hurt,
Speaker 3: because I think not speaking to you and not being
Speaker 3: a part of your life and being there for the
Speaker 3: birth of your first kid and sharing holidays together, that's
Speaker 3: probably been the hardest thing for me, and also just
Speaker 3: knowing that there's also been a huge void in my
Speaker 3: kid's lives not having their uncle around. It was never
Speaker 3: my intention to hurt you.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 3: For myself, letting Manny into my life at the point
Speaker 3: in time, which I did, was for my own healing.
Speaker 3: I think for me, the young or thing that I
Speaker 3: really struggle with is I didn't know when we stopped talking.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that I had to make a choice.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that I had a choice. I didn't
Speaker 3: know that it was him or you, because I would
Speaker 3: have chose you every single time. It was never about
Speaker 3: me sharing information about what was going on in your
Speaker 3: lives and betraying you, guys in any way. It was
Speaker 3: simply because I felt I needed to get past certain things,
Speaker 3: and that was the purpose behind it all.
Speaker 1: Now that's out of the way. You don't still talk
Speaker 1: to him right now.
Speaker 3: It's been quite a few years. It was at least
Speaker 3: three years.
Speaker 1: Ago, okay, So I mean, after everything we've been through,
Speaker 1: what was it like talking to our father?
Speaker 3: Definitely very guarded. I wanted to see if he would
Speaker 3: show remorse for the things that he knew really tore
Speaker 3: us apart as a family that he did. Did he no,
Speaker 3: you know, to this day, I don't think I've ever
Speaker 3: heard him say I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Did he say what he was doing back then?
Speaker 3: One of the things that he would say was that
Speaker 3: he was he was taking trips down to Washington, d C.
Speaker 3: Somehow he became a lead photographer or a reporter. He
Speaker 3: had met Obama. But the way he would explain it
Speaker 3: was that, you know, he had a tight relationship with him.
Speaker 1: It was with Obama.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Then it came to, you know, closer to you know,
Speaker 3: the most recent elections where you know, Trump was Trump
Speaker 3: was running and all of a sudden, meeting Trump and
Speaker 3: like he met Trump. That's that's what he had said.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. He said that he met Obama. He said
Speaker 1: that he met Trump on Facebook. I looked him up
Speaker 1: his profile pictures with Biden. That means he met the
Speaker 1: three sitting presidents.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he has somehow put himself in a position where
Speaker 3: he has made these connections.
Speaker 1: Do you remember when we were kids, how we would
Speaker 1: use different accents when he would be on the phone
Speaker 1: with people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he had a furniture business and people would call
Speaker 3: on different lines, and depending on what line it was,
Speaker 3: it was this one we don't answer all the time,
Speaker 3: this one we do. And then he would answer a
Speaker 3: phone call in most cases, and all of a sudden
Speaker 3: his voice would be disguised. All of a sudden, he
Speaker 3: had this thick Israeli accent, and no he wasn't many
Speaker 3: veter and someone questioned him on the phone, he was,
Speaker 3: you know, Michael Wolfe or some other obscure name, just
Speaker 3: to avoid whatever anyone was looking for on the other end.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that as a kid. That phone was
Speaker 1: enormous and it had a million buttons on it. I've
Speaker 1: never seen a phone like that since where you're like,
Speaker 1: what is going on? And hearing him do that like
Speaker 1: you're watching you know, a movie, almost because it's just
Speaker 1: a great actor playing a part.
Speaker 3: I remember people reaching out you, where's my furniture? I
Speaker 3: sent you money? And he always had a story as
Speaker 3: to where it was. You know it was coming. Oh, yes,
Speaker 3: I'm looking up your paperwork right now, when he had
Speaker 3: nothing in front of him. It'll be there in six weeks.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's truly crazy.
Speaker 1: Did you ever feel like he was watching you? I
Speaker 1: felt that he was watching us, showing up at places
Speaker 1: where I wouldn't expect him to be. I felt that
Speaker 1: I always had a look over my shoulder.
Speaker 3: So this is probably back in two thousands. I had
Speaker 3: a guy that I was dating down in the South
Speaker 3: Florida area in West Palm Beach. There was a strip
Speaker 3: that had a bunch of restaurants and bars, and we
Speaker 3: had been out for not too long. But all I
Speaker 3: remember is someone tapping me on the shoulder. And this
Speaker 3: is twenty two years later, and I will never forget it. Said, hey,
Speaker 3: they're a little lady. I turn around and it's our father.
Speaker 3: I hadn't at this point spoken to him in many years,
Speaker 3: and I just remember being in such shock. My boyfriend
Speaker 3: at the time knew that we didn't speak, and I
Speaker 3: remember him just saying, you need to respect her wishes.
Speaker 3: And let her be and we wound up leaving, but
Speaker 3: it was almost like he was tracking me.
Speaker 1: Jeez, But I mean, you still reached out to him
Speaker 1: years later. What made you do it?
Speaker 3: So? I just felt that I needed to come up
Speaker 3: with my own conclusions about him now as an adult,
Speaker 3: and it's definitely helped me heal in a lot of ways.
Speaker 3: The outcome isn't what I had had hoped for, But
Speaker 3: at the same time, I don't have any doubts about
Speaker 3: whether or not the decision I made to distance myself
Speaker 3: from him was valid.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's why I'm doing this whole podcast. And
Speaker 1: I know that I know we had our reasons for
Speaker 1: not talking to him anymore when we were younger, But
Speaker 1: what was the reason you stopped talking to him the
Speaker 1: second time?
Speaker 3: So he had taken a trip to Israel and had
Speaker 3: met up with a great uncle of ours who was
Speaker 3: not doing well, and it was brought to my attention
Speaker 3: from that side of the family that Manny had somehow
Speaker 3: convinced him to hand off some valuable items family heirlooms
Speaker 3: to him, and that was really the last that the
Speaker 3: family saw those things, and that was the end of it.
Speaker 3: He would call I didn't answer the phone, I didn't
Speaker 3: respond to messages. I just avoided conversation with him.
Speaker 1: That's crazy, and I mean, I'm wondering does he live
Speaker 1: in our house still?
Speaker 3: So I'm not sure where he is now, but I
Speaker 3: can say that he's still He had the house when
Speaker 3: I last spoke with him.
Speaker 1: Do you have his phone number?
Speaker 3: I deleted his cell phone number, but the old house
Speaker 3: phone was working when we last spoke.
Speaker 1: Okay, so I know this won't come as a shock
Speaker 1: or anything, but I have been seeing a therapist and
Speaker 1: one of the things we talked about was reaching out
Speaker 1: to you. But I have to say, like, after having
Speaker 1: our conversation and seeing where you were coming from, it
Speaker 1: is the exact reason why I'm doing this. It's I
Speaker 1: understand more about the decisions that you made, and I
Speaker 1: hope that I could get some of those answers that
Speaker 1: you got by talking to him, and whether it was
Speaker 1: closure or not that that happens. And I had to
Speaker 1: say that, you know, I feel awful that so much
Speaker 1: time has gone by of us not talking and I
Speaker 1: would like us to reconnect and that this isn't just
Speaker 1: the end of it.
Speaker 3: So too, I think one of the things that we
Speaker 3: did really well as a family was brushing things under
Speaker 3: the rug. And I think that one of the reasons
Speaker 3: why I opened myself up to I don't even want
Speaker 3: to call it a reconciliation with Manny, I want to
Speaker 3: call it more of an experiment, was because I felt
Speaker 3: it was the healthiest approach to healing and to kind
Speaker 3: of getting those answers to some questions. Maybe things that
Speaker 3: you couldn't put into words before in your younger years,
Speaker 3: but things that I think you really need to properly
Speaker 3: close the book on if you're going to truly get
Speaker 3: past six.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I really I do appreciate you talking
Speaker 1: to me, and I know it's been forever and we
Speaker 1: never had a heart to heart, and I want to
Speaker 1: see you soon. Yeah, I feel the same, all right,
Speaker 1: they'll talk to you in six years. Reaching out to
Speaker 1: Danny and having a serious conversation was totally out of
Speaker 1: my comfort zone, but it was exactly what I needed.
Speaker 1: I now see her reasons for talking to our father
Speaker 1: again are the same as mine. To get answers and
Speaker 1: to see if he's changed. I feel like I'm ready
Speaker 1: to reach out to him. It is March ninth, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two and I Am Going to Call My house
Speaker 1: phone Number one Dad is a production of Radio Point,
Speaker 1: Big Money Players Network and iHeart Podcasts, created and hosted
Speaker 1: by Gary Veter. Executive producers are Gary Veeter, Adam Lowett,
Speaker 1: Alex Bach, Daniel Powell, Huston Snyder, Kenneth Slotnik, and Brian Stern.
Speaker 1: Written by Gary Veeter and Adam Lowett, Produced by Bernie Kaminsky.
Speaker 1: Co producer is Taylor Kowalski, Edited and mixed by Ian
Speaker 1: Sorrentino at Little Bear Audio. Recording engineer is kat Iosa.
Speaker 1: Original music by Andrew Gross. Special thanks to Charlotte DeAnda
Speaker 1: Jonathan carsh Is creative consultant. Executive producers for Big Money
Speaker 1: Players Network and iHeart podcast are Will Farrell, Hansani and
Speaker 1: Olivia Aguilar. Sound services were provided by Great City Posts.