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Speaker 1: Do you ask your mom ever about this? No, we

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Speaker 1: I saw the podcast to iHeartRadio, but there is a catch.

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Speaker 1: Minute, all right. One memory I have with my dad

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Speaker 1: My dad tells them, if they need anything, you have

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Speaker 1: But once again, just like everybody else, these guys bought it.

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Speaker 4: He offered me one hundred dollars to not come to

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Speaker 1: Back in the early eighties, my father owned and operated

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Speaker 5: Mean, his personality is unbelievable, you know how he does that.

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Speaker 5: He knew how to get what he wanted. And I

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Speaker 2: I think you're bringing up something that's going to be

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Speaker 1: It's scary. It's scary to think that there's a part

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Speaker 2: What a turning point for you. Your dad laid a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 2: Why did you cut off that relationship with your sister?

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Speaker 3: Great, you gets ready?

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Speaker 5: We're going? Where are we going? Now?

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Speaker 3: Guys?

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Speaker 1: Where what to stop?

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Speaker 2: Up?

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Speaker 3: Where?

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Speaker 1: Palm springs?

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Speaker 3: Hi?

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Speaker 2: James, what do you think?

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Speaker 1: Damn?

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Speaker 2: Yes, you guess?

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Speaker 3: Darry, what do you said now?

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Speaker 1: I just got a text from Danny. She wants to talk,

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Speaker 3: I didn't know that I had to make a choice.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know that I had a choice. I didn't

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Speaker 3: Definitely very guarded. I wanted to see if he would

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Speaker 3: One of the things that he would say was that

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Speaker 3: I remember people reaching out you, where's my furniture? I

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Speaker 1: Did you ever feel like he was watching you? I

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Speaker 3: So he had taken a trip to Israel and had

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Speaker 3: not doing well, and it was brought to my attention

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Speaker 3: from that side of the family that Manny had somehow

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Speaker 3: convinced him to hand off some valuable items family heirlooms

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Speaker 3: He would call I didn't answer the phone, I didn't

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Speaker 1: That's crazy, and I mean, I'm wondering does he live

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Speaker 1: in our house still?

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Speaker 3: So I'm not sure where he is now, but I

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Speaker 3: I last spoke with him.

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Speaker 1: Do you have his phone number?

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Speaker 3: I deleted his cell phone number, but the old house

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I know this won't come as a shock

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Speaker 1: one of the things we talked about was reaching out

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Speaker 1: our conversation and seeing where you were coming from, it

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Speaker 1: is the exact reason why I'm doing this. It's I

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Speaker 1: understand more about the decisions that you made, and I

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Speaker 1: hope that I could get some of those answers that

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Speaker 1: you got by talking to him, and whether it was

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Speaker 1: closure or not that that happens. And I had to

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Speaker 1: say that, you know, I feel awful that so much

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Speaker 1: time has gone by of us not talking and I

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Speaker 1: would like us to reconnect and that this isn't just

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Speaker 3: So too, I think one of the things that we

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Speaker 3: did really well as a family was brushing things under

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Speaker 3: why I opened myself up to I don't even want

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Speaker 3: to call it a reconciliation with Manny, I want to

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Speaker 3: call it more of an experiment, was because I felt

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Speaker 3: it was the healthiest approach to healing and to kind

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Speaker 3: of getting those answers to some questions. Maybe things that

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Speaker 3: you couldn't put into words before in your younger years,

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Speaker 3: but things that I think you really need to properly

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Speaker 3: past six.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I really I do appreciate you talking

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Speaker 1: to me, and I know it's been forever and we

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Speaker 1: never had a heart to heart, and I want to

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Speaker 1: see you soon. Yeah, I feel the same, all right,

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Speaker 1: they'll talk to you in six years. Reaching out to

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Speaker 1: Danny and having a serious conversation was totally out of

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Speaker 1: my comfort zone, but it was exactly what I needed.

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Speaker 1: I now see her reasons for talking to our father

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Speaker 1: again are the same as mine. To get answers and

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Speaker 1: to see if he's changed. I feel like I'm ready

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Speaker 1: to reach out to him. It is March ninth, twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two and I Am Going to Call My house

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