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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number three,

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Speaker 1: and today we're joined by my pale and renowned pressure

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Speaker 1: land bow hunter Andy May, to break down how we'd

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Speaker 1: handle some of the most challenging situations and scenarios in

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Speaker 1: the deer hunting world. All right, welcome to the Wired

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Speaker 1: Hunt podcast, brought to you by on X. Today in

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Speaker 1: the show, due to high demand from a lot of listeners,

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Speaker 1: we're doing another one of these what would you do podcasts?

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Speaker 1: And the guests that we have, the guests that so

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Speaker 1: many people have wanted to have for one of these

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Speaker 1: is the one and only Andy May. Now most of

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Speaker 1: you are probably familiar with Andy. He's been a frequent

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Speaker 1: guest on the show. It's one of my best hunting buddies.

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Speaker 1: But if you're new, here's the back of the baseball

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Speaker 1: card stats. Andy is from Michigan. He's a dad. He's

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Speaker 1: a regular nine to five kind of job guy, but

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Speaker 1: he's found a way to have a level of deer

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Speaker 1: hunting success that it's pretty much unparalleled, even when comparing

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Speaker 1: it to a lot of folks with big farms in Iowa.

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Speaker 1: For these guys that travel all over the country hunting

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Speaker 1: for a living, he's getting that kind of success level,

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Speaker 1: but he's doing it very differently than how those guys are.

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Speaker 1: He's hunting in Michigan or on quick like long weekend type.

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Speaker 1: D i Y hunts out of state when he can

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Speaker 1: fit him in and it's on public land or it's

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Speaker 1: on by permission ground. It's small pieces. For all these

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Speaker 1: reasons and more, he's become one of the most helpful

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Speaker 1: guests we've ever had in the podcast, and one of

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Speaker 1: the most helpful people for me as someone to kind

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Speaker 1: of be a sounding board. And he's one of the

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Speaker 1: people I give a call and chat with when I'm wondering,

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Speaker 1: you know, what do you think about this situation? What

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Speaker 1: what do you think about that? Or he'll tell him

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Speaker 1: about what he's doing. We'renna bounce ideas around d He's

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Speaker 1: a great guy to talk to for those kinds of things.

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Speaker 1: So it seemed like a given that we had to

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Speaker 1: bring him on to run him through the what would

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Speaker 1: you do gaunt with So that's what we're gonna do.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to pose a series of hypothetical but detailed

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Speaker 1: deer hunting scenarios to Andy, and then he's going to

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Speaker 1: explain what he'd do and why he'd do it. Just

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Speaker 1: that symbol. We're gonna cover everything from ideas for hunting

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Speaker 1: in October, dealing with the October shift, a lot of

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Speaker 1: different things around the pre rut and the rut. We

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Speaker 1: cover the whole season. We cover a lot of things

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Speaker 1: that can be applicable whether you hunt in Michigan or

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Speaker 1: Missouri or Mississippi. So yeah, let's just get right into

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Speaker 1: it without further ado. Let's find out what Andy May

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Speaker 1: would do. All right, I am back with my pale,

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Speaker 1: Andy May. Andy, thanks for for hopping on here again. Hey,

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Speaker 1: no problem, man, it's always good to chat. It's fun.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to pick your brain throughout the season, but

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Speaker 1: usually it's you know, we've got ten minutes here, twenty

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Speaker 1: I glad you can make the time for it. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: no problem anytime. What's uh, what's the hunting season been

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Speaker 1: looking like for you? We talked, I don't know a

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Speaker 1: As far as white tails, um, I mean it's been good.

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Speaker 1: I shot down to Kentucky for a real quick hunt,

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Speaker 1: um and had a really awesome hunt. I didn't shoot anything, um,

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Speaker 1: And then as far as you know my kind of

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Speaker 1: that buck bedded. So I potentially could have gotten in

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Speaker 1: there's also a chance we might not see much at all. Um.

428
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 1: Or there's where we sat last night where we saw

429
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 1: a lot of deer um, but they did get spooked.

430
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 1: So you know, are probably our chance of success went

431
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 1: down slightly, but there's still some chance of success there. UM.

432
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if if I was I guess if

433
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 1: I was with my daughter, I would probably or anyone

434
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 1: that was kind of okay with shooting, like any decent buck,

435
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 1: I would probably stick in the area that had more

436
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:50,199
Speaker 1: of the action, um at least for one more day. Um.

437
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,360
Speaker 1: You know, if the if the target deer weren't spooked.

438
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,479
Speaker 1: I mean, my my my experiences in Michigan, if if

439
00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: you know, if when I spooked that target buck, I

440
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 1: rarely get another chance at him um in that area

441
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 1: and a lot of times I just lose track of

442
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:12,640
Speaker 1: them all together. Um. So as long as they weren't spooked, UM,

443
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 1: I would feel confident going in there again, at least

444
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: for one more sit. But the other deer that were

445
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: around are probably gonna be a little more cautious, and

446
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 1: you know, any type of mature animal will start to

447
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 1: pick up on that. So you probably have a little short,

448
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: shorter window in that spot. But I would give that up.

449
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: I'd probably give that another sit if it was more

450
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 1: dear and more entertaining to, you know, the person that

451
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 1: was hunting. And I think that's probably why I talk

452
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 1: about it with them and let them kind of decide. Well,

453
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 1: this was the exact Sinaire. I was in yesterday Andy

454
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 1: with my dad, and so I did exactly what you

455
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 1: said that I talked through these pros and cons with

456
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 1: my dad, and I was kind of a fifty fifty

457
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: coin flip on it, thinking through exactly the same things

458
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:02,120
Speaker 1: you said were what I was thinking. UM, And I said, hey,

459
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 1: this is the scenario. You know, I'm kind of fifty fifty.

460
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: If you've got a gut, or if you've are particularly

461
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 1: more excited about one or the other, you know, I,

462
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: you know, let's let's see what you think, and and

463
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 1: my dad kind of leaned towards probably sitting the same

464
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 1: place that we did the night before, simply because it's

465
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: a more target rich environment, which is kind of what

466
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 1: I was thinking too, knowing that that there would be

467
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 1: less activity, that you know, that it would be impact

468
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: in some way, but maybe we could still have a

469
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 1: decent night um, and we weren't being super picky with

470
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 1: what we want to shoot. Yeah, so that's what we did.

471
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: We went back last night and it didn't work out.

472
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: We know, we went from seeing like twenty deer, including

473
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 1: eight bucks and two definite shooters, to seeing three deer.

474
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 1: We saw two year and a half ole bucks in

475
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 1: a dough and that was it. So it was a

476
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,679
Speaker 1: it was a big change from night one to night

477
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 1: to UM. I did not expect it to be that dramatic.

478
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: I thought, I knew it wasn't gonna be as good,

479
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 1: but I thought, you know, there might be a decent

480
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 1: buck still that was somewhere else last night, or um,

481
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's plenty of other deer in the

482
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 1: air they could roll through, but but didn't pan out.

483
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: You never know exactly why partly definitely some impact from

484
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: our pressure. Sometimes it could just be outside factors too,

485
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, I probably if it were just me hunting,

486
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 1: I probably would have put one more sid in that

487
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: spot and then I would go to Spot B the

488
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: next day if if the wind allowed. That's probably probably

489
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: what I would do, as long as the target deer

490
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: didn't get spooks. But you know, I mean, I I

491
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: was just talking about this with my friend Justin Wright,

492
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: Uh yesterday about um he he just recently shot a

493
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: really nice buck and he actually bumped it, um bumped

494
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: it out of its bed early in the afternoon, around three,

495
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 1: and then he set up over the bed that immediately

496
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 1: and shot that buck, coming back to check out what

497
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: it bumped him out. And I had never had that

498
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 1: kind of luck here in Michigan, but I have seen

499
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: that type of behavior um out of state a little

500
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: less pressured, dear. So I mean, I know guys get

501
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: sick of hearing it, but I've wanted a lot of states,

502
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: and I I don't really it doesn't really do me

503
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: any good to say, you know that our our deer

504
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 1: here are harder to hunt. I truly believe they are,

505
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 1: and they just they just don't get you don't get

506
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,439
Speaker 1: to make mistakes with these deer, and I've made plenty

507
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: of them, and it's just you just no room for air. Um.

508
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 1: So I mean, obviously, if you've got some private ground

509
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,360
Speaker 1: and you can control pressure a little bit, you gotta

510
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: maybe a little more room. But it's, uh, it's tough.

511
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 1: They're real, real sensitive to to change in their environment

512
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: and to the pressure. For sure. Yeah that's the truth.

513
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: So okay, let's let's run through some different hypotheticals that

514
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 1: aren't tied to yours in my own situations right now. Um,

515
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: but something that's tied to pressure. Let's say it's October

516
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: and you're hunting one of these small properties that you

517
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: hunt in Michigan that has a lot of hunters all

518
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 1: around it. There's probably some other guys that hunt the

519
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 1: same property that you're hunting. To you, for whatever reason,

520
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 1: you decided to slip into some thick cover and you're

521
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 1: hunting in there, and towards the last half hour of light,

522
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: a big mature buck does step out, but he's moving

523
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: quickly out of range. You try a like contact grind maybe,

524
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: but no response. So now you've got one or two options.

525
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: I would hypothectly say, you could either get more aggressive

526
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: with your calling and try a snort wise or rattle

527
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: or big buck roar or something to try to get

528
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: his attention, or does that seem too aggressive for that

529
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: time of year in a heavily pressured area where there's

530
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: been hunters all over the place, and instead you would

531
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: just let him talk because getting crazy with him probably

532
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: do more harm than good. Which which of those scenarios

533
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: or which are those choices would you choose? Or is

534
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: there something different entirely that you would be thinking about? Yeah,

535
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: if he didn't respond to just a kind of a

536
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: light contact grunt, I would just let him walk and

537
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: I would I would watch and see, how, you know,

538
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: depending on how much daylight is left, I would see

539
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: where he travels, what what what Treacy travels by, and

540
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: then I would try to, um, if wind permitted, try

541
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: to set up along that travel route the very next day. UM.

542
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: So that time of year, I mean, things things change

543
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: with you know, with different wind directions and whatnot. But

544
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: there's a good chance, um that he could be betted

545
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: in a very if not in the same bed, in

546
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: very close proximity to where he was, especially if there's

547
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: no dramatic change in wind. Um. So a lot of

548
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: what I see in October are like very short, little

549
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: little patterns. Okay, like, um, I'll see a good deer

550
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: in an area, but often he'll be doing something similar

551
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: for like very short spurt maybe two days, maybe five days,

552
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: and then it's it's something else, whether it's a change

553
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: due to pressure, it's a change due to um, you know,

554
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: possibly changes in food, um. You know, crops coming down,

555
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: acorns dropping, um. You know. There's a lot of a

556
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: lot of different scenarios there that could cause like pattern changes.

557
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: But that's what I've noticed, and that's how I've had

558
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: my best luck with my October kills is it's quickly um,

559
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: noticing these these short patterns and then trying to move

560
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: in and get the job done quickly, because like if

561
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: I were to in the past, there's been times where like, okay,

562
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna wait until I get you know, a cool front,

563
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: you know, maybe six seven, eight days later or something,

564
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: and then the deer is completely gone, like no sightings,

565
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: no pictures, no sign um. So I I like to

566
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:18,479
Speaker 1: in that scenario that you um, that you explained, I

567
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: think I would definitely just kind of let him do

568
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,719
Speaker 1: his thing, but I would try to move in and

569
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: capitalize on that the very next day. Um. And probably

570
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: if probably, if I didn't get it done the next day,

571
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: probably even try something similar or maybe it just lately

572
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: the day after. And if I don't have a sighting

573
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: or get it done, then I'm kind of back to

574
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,719
Speaker 1: square one. Um, maybe trying to relocate that, dear. Now,

575
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: would you do anything differently if I described everything the

576
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: same except for I changed the date from October to November, Yeah,

577
00:31:54,520 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: would Yeah, I would definitely. Um, I would probably be

578
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: a little I would give more of maybe like more

579
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: of like a tending grunt or maybe more like a

580
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: long drawn out grunt call. I've had good luck with

581
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: that rather than just the short, little kind of contact grunts.

582
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: And if he didn't respond, or if I got his

583
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: attention it looked like he was somewhat interested, I would

584
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: probably I would probably do some rattling. Um. I haven't

585
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: had dramatic luck in Michigan with rattling, but I've killed

586
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: quite a few early on with rattling, mostly two and

587
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: three year old books. Um. But I wouldn't be afraid

588
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: to do it that that time of year, especially if um,

589
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: you know we're talking November five, It's like, uh, he

590
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: he could be doing something completely different in the very

591
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: next day, you know, so I wouldn't feel as confident

592
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: um kind of letting him walk and move in and

593
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: setting up the very next day he might still be

594
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: in that area. Uh, I mean very likely what he

595
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: could be. You know, it could be chasing a doll,

596
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: you know, six d yards away over here in this thicket,

597
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: you know. So it's just one of those deals. The

598
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: timing is everything, and and what decision I would make

599
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: in that scenario, I guess. So Okay, So one more

600
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: iteration of that. Let's say you tried to get more

601
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: aggressive with a grunt. You tried rattling, and he just

602
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: kind of I was like, Matt, I'm just continuing on.

603
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,959
Speaker 1: He just moves off. But it's November five still, So

604
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: now you just told me that you wouldn't be as

605
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: confident with moving in there for the next day. But

606
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: would you still do it anyways, given that scenario, would

607
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: you still move over there or or what? In that case?

608
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: Honestly like something like that. If I saw something like

609
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: that November five, Um, say I grunted to him. No

610
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: real response I rattled to him still walking away, I

611
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: would be more likely to jump out of my tree

612
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: at that moment and try to use terrain or cover

613
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: to kind of get over to where that deer is heading.

614
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: Either cut him off or get into the wood lot

615
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,720
Speaker 1: that he's heading into the river bottom the thicket. Um,

616
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: I would probably try to move in closer to where

617
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,760
Speaker 1: that deer was if it's a if it's a true

618
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: big buck, a target deer um, something like that in

619
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 1: Michigan during that time frame, I have such a hard

620
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: time killing a specific buck. Um during those probably November,

621
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: I would say November four on um until until you

622
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: get like more into like later season. I have a

623
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: really hard time zooming in on a specific buck. So

624
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: I would probably if that was the deer I was after,

625
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: I would probably throw it all stops, and I don't know,

626
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: I feel I feel I would feel more confident getting

627
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: on the ground and try and do sneak in close,

628
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 1: trying to stalk that deer um, like I said, cut

629
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: him off, or even just get into that wherever he's going,

630
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: Just get into that next little bit of cover and

631
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:02,919
Speaker 1: you know, just try to play the win and try

632
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: to get as close as I can, I would feel

633
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: way more confident with that, having um a higher chance

634
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 1: of success than going and sitting along that travel route

635
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: that he took on November five the next day. Interesting. Interesting,

636
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: it's a ballsy move, Andy, ballsy move. Um. I was

637
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna fast forward a little bit because i

638
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: had a question that is very related to what you

639
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: just described there. Um, I'm curious how you would think

640
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: through this slight adjustment on that. Let's say it's that

641
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: same kind of time frame November one five, somewhere in

642
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: that first week in November, and you spot a buck

643
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 1: betted with the dough. It's late morning, let's say ten am,

644
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: and you're glassing, and then you see antlers shining in

645
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: the distance and you realize it's a shooter buck. Maybe

646
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: you know you're not after one specific buck, but it's

647
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: it's a buck that you would shoot with a dough. Uh.

648
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: And You've got these different options for the rest of

649
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: the day. You could waited out all day and hope

650
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: that they swing by you. You could get out of

651
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,240
Speaker 1: your tree and try to reposition to a tree closer

652
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: to where they are, or you could try to sneak

653
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: in for an actual spot and stock kill on those

654
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: deer while they're betted. Um. But I want to preface

655
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: all this with it. It is not a super windy day.

656
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: It's not really windy. It's just kind of like an

657
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: average let's say five seven eight mile winds something like that. UM,

658
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: walk me through that situation. Yeah, So when I see

659
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 1: that during that time frame, unless unless I have a

660
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: clear indication that I think they're kind of headed, he's

661
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: pushing her my way, I'm more likely, UM, if I

662
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:47,959
Speaker 1: see them betted, I'm more likely going to get down

663
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: and try to reposition as close as I can. That

664
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 1: might mean depending on um, you know, on the train,

665
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: on the food situation. It might look something like, Okay,

666
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 1: I think that doll is gonna get up and head

667
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: this way, or I think that that deer is gonna

668
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: push that doll farther this way down, you know, down

669
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: the cover. I might potentially try to do a ground

670
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: set up or get up in a tree, you know, quickly.

671
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: It might be a hundred yards from them, it could

672
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: be sixty. It just depends on how quietly UM I

673
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: could get into that spot. UM. The only way I

674
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 1: would do UM a spot in stock is if they

675
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: were just in that perfect spot where I could I

676
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:32,479
Speaker 1: could get close to them down wind silently within bow range.

677
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: But on a real calm day, that's that's a tricky one.

678
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:40,240
Speaker 1: Unless you got like maybe like a small creek bottom

679
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,760
Speaker 1: or something that kind of winds through and you could

680
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: you know, stay low, you know, in the water to

681
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 1: hide your noise a little bit, and then you could

682
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: pop up and be you know, maybe within bow range

683
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: and then just kind of wait for them to stand

684
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: and make the mistake. UM So, probably either one of

685
00:37:56,040 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: those scenarios I would choose, depending on what I felt

686
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: was most likely going to happen. Probably the best if

687
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: you could somehow use the terrain and hide your noise,

688
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: uh to get within bow range and then just sit

689
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: and wait, that would probably be my number one choice.

690
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: But if I didn't feel confident doing that, I would

691
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: just try to determine the most likely direction of travel

692
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: once they get up, and I would just try to

693
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,280
Speaker 1: I would just try to get elevated in a tree

694
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: if possible. If not, I would just kind of set

695
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: up on the ground somewhere. And I've I've I've done

696
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: that same exact scenario a bunch and it definitely doesn't

697
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: always work out, but I've killed a few that way.

698
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: Um My biggest Michigan gun buck was killed that way.

699
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: It wasn't with a bow, but I ended up shooting

700
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: him at bow range. But it definitely is one of

701
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: those scenarios where when you see one bedded with a dough,

702
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: I think it's time to get aggressive. If they're if

703
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: they're out of range and they're not gonna you're pretty

704
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: confident they're not gonna come your way. I'm getting down

705
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: and I'm repositioning. As long as you don't bump that dough,

706
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 1: you're you're good to go. Because he's he's got all

707
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: his attention on her. So you just have to beat

708
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 1: that one deer. M all right, one more version of this.

709
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: Let's say you do that, you reposition, you're set up,

710
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: the dough gets up, and they start walking away from

711
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: your new spot, and it's it's I don't know, I guess,

712
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: I don't care what part of the day it is,

713
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: but they're walking away. Do you throw a bunch of

714
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 1: calls at him and try to somehow break that buck

715
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,240
Speaker 1: off or or or what do you do in that scenario?

716
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: So this takes me back to a hunt that I

717
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: had in Iowa a few years back, and there was

718
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 1: this awesome, heavy, tight racked nine point you ended up

719
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 1: being eleven um, but he was the main frame nine.

720
00:39:55,840 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: He had some junk kickers and stuff, and he was

721
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: betted with a dough, and from the opposite side, this

722
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: good looking, I don't know, three or four year old

723
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: big seven point comes strolling across this crp field, and

724
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: that that buck that was approaching let out this this big, long,

725
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: drawn out grunt, And it was so cool because the

726
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: so imagine between me and the dough. The big buck

727
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: was betted, the dough was betted about fifteen yards from him,

728
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,720
Speaker 1: and then this other one was approaching like further away

729
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,240
Speaker 1: from me, so he let this big, drawn out grunt,

730
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 1: and that that big buck stood up and immediately met

731
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: that other deer and started walking him off. So I

732
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: think if you can, if you could somehow get in

733
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: his bubble and and make some sort of challenge like that,

734
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: there's a pretty good chance that he might respond. But

735
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: if he's moving away from you and you're a hundred

736
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: yards away, I think they just continue to move away.

737
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: So again, everything, all these scenarios are situational, but I

738
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: think if you could get in that bubble where he

739
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: feels like he has to defend, then you've got a

740
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: much better chance. What happened in that scenario is that

741
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: buck met that big seven, walked him off, and then

742
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: the dog got up because she was, you know, free

743
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: for him, and she started running my way. So he

744
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 1: walked that buck off. The dough comes running right under me,

745
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: and then he turns around and sees the dolls running

746
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,240
Speaker 1: and here he comes, and then I ended up shooting him.

747
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was. It was a really cool, a

748
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 1: really cool hunt in it. It I I learned there that,

749
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: you know, I think if you if you can get

750
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: in that bubble where they feel like they have to

751
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: address you, you've got a much better chance in that

752
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: scenario of getting a response. But if they're you know,

753
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: a hundred yards off, moving away from you, and you're

754
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: sitting there rattling and grunting, I don't think he's gonna

755
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: come that far. You gotta be in close. Okay, all right,

756
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 1: here's here's when we're gonna rewind back into October now, um,

757
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: and it's it's it's quite similar to what you're dealing

758
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: with in Michigan at say, Um, but let's say it's

759
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,919
Speaker 1: mid mid October, second week of October, and you were

760
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: seeing Bucks in the summer, some good Bucks in the summer,

761
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: and maybe even still into September, but it's been bligh.

762
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: It's been dark since the season opened, basically as far

763
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: as nothing moving in daylight. You're still seeing some Bucks,

764
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: but there's some trail camera there's still some trail camera data,

765
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 1: but it's all nighttime stuff. Um, and it's now middle

766
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: of October. How would you with just that information at

767
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: a high level, how would you approach the snare? Would

768
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,959
Speaker 1: you just stay away from your stuff and not hunt

769
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: your good stuff until later in the month, or would

770
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:44,280
Speaker 1: you try to seek them out in a more aggressive

771
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: fashion in mid October? I Mean, it just depends on

772
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: what we're talking about here. If we're talking about you know, uh,

773
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: if I'm a guy that owns my private acres and

774
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:58,320
Speaker 1: it's just me, um, you know, or maybe something smaller

775
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: than that, I'm gonna be less likely to pull off

776
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: something super aggressive, like you know, searching through the property. Um,

777
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 1: if there's good dough activity and whatnot, I probably unless

778
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,919
Speaker 1: I had a really good, really good knowledge of of

779
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: where I thought these deer were Um, I would probably

780
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: wait until, you know, the action picks up like later

781
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: October and kind of start hunting the dough areas. That's

782
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: not really that's not really my style. I have a

783
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 1: hard time doing that, and I don't really I don't

784
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: know for me personally, I'm always kind of looking for

785
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 1: what worth what that big buck is doing now, and

786
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: if I can't find one, I'm constantly searching. And that's

787
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: kind of what I'm in right now. I'm just looking

788
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: for a buck that I can hunt. And there's some

789
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: spots that I hunt that have good dough activity, so

790
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: I do feel that those are going to pick up

791
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: later in the month. But I'm not gonna sit back

792
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 1: and do nothing. So I'm I'm trying to leave those

793
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: areas alone because they're small enough where there's just not

794
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 1: enough room, um to really like maneuver. And I don't

795
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: really necessarily think there's a big buck living in there.

796
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: That's I don't know about and in any of those areas,

797
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: but I know they're good areas, um, So I'm just

798
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: trying to let those just let the dose kind of

799
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 1: do their thing, you know, without being bothered, and then

800
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 1: when the action picks up, that's when I'll slip in

801
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: and that's when I have really good success on those

802
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 1: you know, first sit, second sit maybe um, when you

803
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: just haven't been in there all season. But in the meantime,

804
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: I'm doing tons of scouting, like more than I ever have,

805
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: just trying to find a buck that I can go

806
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: after now. And that's why I've been spending more time

807
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: in Ohio. Actually haven't even hunted Michigan yet because I

808
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: can't find a shooter buck to go after. And so

809
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,959
Speaker 1: in what specifically is that scouting looking like right now, Well,

810
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:03,479
Speaker 1: it's been a min of glassing. Um, I've been doing

811
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: some glassing. I've been running more cameras than I ever have.

812
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: I've never been a big like camera numbers guy. I've

813
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: actually owned I don't know, eight or nine cameras, but

814
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,439
Speaker 1: I've rarely have more than like four or five out.

815
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: I got them all out right now, and I'm trying

816
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: to find something. Um. And then I've been doing a

817
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: lot of just what I call like still hunting scouting

818
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: with your bow, um, like you know, just kind of

819
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: sneaking around and looking for hot sign something that indicates

820
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: a mature deer, a big track, big rubs, um, you know,

821
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 1: anything along those lines that would lead me towards an

822
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: older deer that I might be able to go after.

823
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: But I've just been striking out at every turn. But

824
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 1: I'm not two worked up about it. It's just it's

825
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: just one of those years where things are a little thin.

826
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: But like I said, there's good dough activity and on

827
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: years like that, I don't have one to go after early. Um.

828
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: To me, it's just like you keep looking, but then

829
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 1: you just wait for that, you know, a little bit

830
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: closer to the run late October, you get some more

831
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: action in those areas and then you just try to

832
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: slip in and get the job done on a good one. Okay,

833
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: how about this. Let's say we're getting a little bit

834
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: later in the month, but it's not quite late late October.

835
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: Let's October, and kind of like your scenario you're describing,

836
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: you're not getting daylight pictures of bucks that you want

837
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 1: to hunt. Maybe you haven't got any of these bucks

838
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: you want hunt on camera yet, but you know where

839
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 1: you think there's a buck from past years. You think

840
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: this buck is still around and you know him kind

841
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: of well, and a cold front hits at that time

842
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: of year, a pretty a decent cold front maybe, like

843
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, low teens type temperature drop from the

844
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: highs from one day to the next. Would that be

845
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: enough of a trigger for you to go into one

846
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: of these spots where historically this buck has been, even

847
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: though you don't have pictures of him in any of

848
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: those low impact spots yet, um or do you need

849
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 1: to have something more? UM? I would probably so, Like

850
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 1: those October cold fronts are just man, They're they're just gold.

851
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: I've had some of my best hunts, UM, So I

852
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: won't miss in October cold front. But I definitely want

853
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: to be in an area that I have confidence in.

854
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: Like I I really have a hard time hunting anything now,

855
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 1: just kind of sitting and hoping that a big buck

856
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: is in the area. I want. I need something. I

857
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: need his sign, I need rubs, I need a track,

858
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: I need a picture, I need a sighting. Um. But

859
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: if I if I have any of that, then yes,

860
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: I have the confidence to go in. I'm it's so

861
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: depending on what kind of intel you have, I might

862
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: hunt a bed that I've scouted, um, you know, during

863
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,720
Speaker 1: that time of year, especially whether a cold front, if

864
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: it looks like a a bed that a mature buck

865
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:23,720
Speaker 1: has used, or um a good bed in an area

866
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 1: where I know a mature buck is living, even though

867
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: I don't have necessarily a picture of him, but in

868
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 1: the past, you know he had been there. You know,

869
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: there's a lot of times in October what I'll do

870
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: is I'll just kind of bounce from bed to bed

871
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: that I've scouted, even though I don't have um specific

872
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: intel like a picture or a sighting. That's so I

873
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: used to do a lot when I had a lot

874
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: more time, but now it's like I try to be

875
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: much more picky and choosy and efficient. I guess, so

876
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 1: I don't have like all those days to just throw

877
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: sits at all those beds. So I like more of

878
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: a confirmation of sign, a vision the WOL or a

879
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: trail camp picture to have the confidence and go in

880
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: for that that hunt because I might only get like

881
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: two days a week to really get after it. Um,

882
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 1: but that that late October I've had, I mean, I'm

883
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: that mid October. Anytime in October where the I've had

884
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: that cold front hit, I've had such good activity, but

885
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: I would still want to be had that confidence that

886
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: I'm in that area where a buck that I'm after

887
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: is that, So I would I would. I wouldn't just

888
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: go I wouldn't just go sit anywhere I might. I mean,

889
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: I might sit an observation stand in a in an

890
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: area where I could see a long ways. I do

891
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,760
Speaker 1: that often. I mean that's when I say I'm glassing.

892
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,280
Speaker 1: A lot of times that's I'm in an observation stand,

893
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 1: not necessarily expecting to kill, but expecting to are hoping

894
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: to see something that I can move in on. Um.

895
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: So it's not like I'm just sitting on the edge

896
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 1: of the road. You know. Sometimes down in Ohio that's

897
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: okay because it's so flat and you can see a

898
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: long ways. But a lot of times I'm up in

899
00:49:56,160 --> 00:50:00,280
Speaker 1: a tree somewhere, but I still want that comp It's

900
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: that I'm in an area where a buck is now, um,

901
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 1: and not just kind of hoping. I don't know if

902
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: that answers the question good enough. Yeah, I know it does.

903
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: It does, and I I get what you're saying. Um,

904
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: what if we flip this scenario. Um, Well, let let's

905
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 1: change the scenario a little bit more than just flipping it.

906
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,439
Speaker 1: Let's take that same time frame somewhere in that late

907
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: teens of October, and you're doing something that I know

908
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: you do often, which is go on one of these

909
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: kind of short out of state trips. Maybe it's a

910
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: long weekend a Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday. And since things

911
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: haven't been going very good in Michigan and you're struggling

912
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: to find this buck in Ohio, you decide, you know what,

913
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna do a flyer. I'm just gonna go

914
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: to Missouri maybe or Kentucky and hunt a spot I've

915
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 1: never hunted before. But you found some public land that

916
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 1: look decent, and I'm just gonna try it for four days.

917
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: You're showing up sight unseen. I know you like to

918
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: have previous scouting on a spot like this, but for

919
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: some reason you didn't. Maybe it's because I told you

920
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: you couldn't and you had to show upset and seen

921
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 1: and kill a buck. Um. And let's say this is

922
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 1: a relatively small piece of public land. I don't know,

923
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: a couple hundred acres give or take. Um. It's all timber.

924
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: There's some topography, some ups and downs, some ditches, some

925
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: stuff like that, but relatively mono culture as far as

926
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 1: most Lily timber, and then you have crop fields on

927
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: the outside edges let's say on it's it's let's say

928
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: it's a rough rectable type oval type shape with crops

929
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 1: on neighboring properties on your north west and east, and

930
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: then the road access is from the south, and you've

931
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: got four days. Walk me through day one, how you

932
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: would try to wrap your head around trying to find

933
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: a decent buck in this kind of given all that

934
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 1: very generic you know set up. Walk me through how

935
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 1: you might think through this hypothetical scenario for October nineteenth

936
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 1: ish that weekend, um, and you're trying to figure something

937
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: out on this brand new place. Yeah. So, even even

938
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 1: out of state and in an area that gets less

939
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: pressure than Michigan, I mean that time frame, I still

940
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: feel like you're gonna have to be You're gonna have

941
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: to get close to where those bucks are bedded. Um.

942
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 1: So if I don't have any pre scouting, I most

943
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: likely would really dig deep on those maps, um looking

944
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: at topo in aerial and I would probably circle um

945
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,760
Speaker 1: or at least drop a pin on the likely areas

946
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:48,399
Speaker 1: that I think that jump out to me that these

947
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 1: these are probably areas to scout out and then what

948
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 1: I would do is I would literally I would throw

949
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: a stay under a saddle on, and I would have

950
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 1: my boat, and I would scout my way in and

951
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,399
Speaker 1: I would check all these areas. And like I said,

952
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 1: I hunt from I like to still hunt and kind

953
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 1: of uh scout my way into areas like this that

954
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: I don't have previous knowledge. And then I'm either I'm

955
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: looking for something that's gonna tell me like this this

956
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: is the spot. So I'm looking for that hot sign,

957
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: these these fresh rubs, these fresh scrapes that time of year. Um,

958
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,720
Speaker 1: you can capitalize on that stuff. If it's in close

959
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 1: proximity to betting now in Michigan, that you might need

960
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 1: to be really really close because they're just not going

961
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:36,839
Speaker 1: to move as far. Are are a high pressured area.

962
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,439
Speaker 1: If it's slightly less pressured, you got a little more

963
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 1: wiggle room there. Um. And I would feel like in

964
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 1: a state like Missouri, I mean, I know they do

965
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 1: get pressured, but I would feel confident, um, kind of

966
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: just still hunting and scouting my way back into these spots,

967
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 1: and if I see something I like, I might set

968
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: up right then and there. If if it looks hot

969
00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: and I feel like I'm close enough to where I

970
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 1: where I'm estimating where you know, these bucks are betted

971
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: or this buck, Um, I would set up right there,

972
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,399
Speaker 1: and if I don't find it, I might keep still

973
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: hunting all the way towards that betting and just just

974
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 1: keep sneaking along and glassing and looking at sign. If

975
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: I don't ever find anything, um, then I just go

976
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,959
Speaker 1: to Plan B. You know, a different spot that I marked.

977
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 1: So I at that time of year when I would

978
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: expect them to be kind of more on a bed

979
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,800
Speaker 1: to feed pattern and you know, maybe just starting to

980
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: kind of like mark their territory a little more, um,

981
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: you know, if if it's cold, even better, you know,

982
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,959
Speaker 1: more scraping activity, more rubbing activity. But I would really

983
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:46,280
Speaker 1: be looking for that big buck sign. And the closer

984
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,760
Speaker 1: it is to the betting or where I think they're betting,

985
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: the the better more confident I feel about setting up

986
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: on that. And if I'm seeing stuff down by the

987
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: field edge, um, you know that that might tell me

988
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: there's a good one in the area. But I still

989
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: would like to relate back to the betting a little

990
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 1: closer on some sort of traveler out to and from

991
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: so that that's probably how I would do it. I

992
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 1: Zach Zack Fairmall and I talked about this because we're

993
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: very similar in this way that you know, when going

994
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,919
Speaker 1: into a new area like that outside of the rut,

995
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: Like in the rut, it's it's pretty simple, like I

996
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,240
Speaker 1: can set up on doe betting, like likely doe betting,

997
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,760
Speaker 1: UM just with some quick scouting or a good funnel

998
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: that just you know, connects too big pieces of cover

999
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: and you could have a really good hunt just by

1000
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,439
Speaker 1: doing that during the rut, but that time of year,

1001
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: UM without pre scouting. I want to be on the

1002
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: ground and I want to be able to read the

1003
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 1: sign kind of moving through the cover, and when I

1004
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: find something that says, hey, this is where I need

1005
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: to be, everything adds up. I'm close, you know, I'm

1006
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 1: close to these betting points, and there's good sign here.

1007
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: These are big rubs, there's big tracks here. This this

1008
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: dish crossing is really beat down. There's some big tracks,

1009
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 1: you know, something like that, something that tells me like

1010
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: this is the spot with only four days, I'm gonna

1011
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: be real aggressive. And in that scenario, it's not even

1012
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: that big a deal. If I if I did bump one,

1013
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:17,839
Speaker 1: you know, if I if it was like some sort

1014
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 1: of like soft bump or something, I feel like I

1015
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: could maybe maneuver and and still have a play at

1016
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,879
Speaker 1: that book as long as he didn't smell you. I mean,

1017
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: that's not what I would want to do. But if

1018
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:30,959
Speaker 1: it did happen, at least okay, I got a buck

1019
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: that's betted up on this ridge. I mean, that's a

1020
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 1: lot more info than you then you knew beforehand. And

1021
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 1: in a lot of cases, I think in those other

1022
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 1: states you can get away with a little soft bump

1023
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: like that. Like my buddy, my buddy justin just pulled

1024
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: it off in Missouri. Um, on public land. Um, So

1025
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 1: you can do that. It's just you gotta be smart

1026
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,760
Speaker 1: with it and don't go around necessarily trying to bump deer.

1027
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not saying that, but that hot sign, I think,

1028
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 1: you know, just finding where those those deer are now, Um,

1029
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: that's really what I would focus on in that scenario. Yeah.

1030
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,879
Speaker 1: So what about that example you just described there where

1031
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: you do bump one. Um. We've talked to a lot

1032
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,919
Speaker 1: of different people who have described what they do when

1033
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 1: they bump a buck. But what would you specifically do

1034
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: if if you just were scouting your way in just

1035
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: like that and you bumped him, would you would you

1036
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: do the bumping dump type thing like Justin tried to

1037
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 1: do and set up right then and there, um and

1038
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 1: and assuming that's what you're gonna say you're gonna do,

1039
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: or if you are going to do that, talk me

1040
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: through exactly how you would try to pick the right

1041
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: tree to do that. Yeah, So, like like a soft bump,

1042
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: I was just typed. We were discussing it just yesterday

1043
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: or two days ago. Maybe, Um, a soft bump and

1044
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 1: a state that has a little bit less pressure. I

1045
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 1: am gonna if it's early in the afternoon, say say,

1046
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 1: any time between like eleven and three somewhere in there,

1047
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna set up down wind of where that

1048
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 1: deer was betted, and I would try to pick a

1049
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: tree where he's gonna you know, he's probably gonna approach

1050
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: that bed downwind, I would set up right then and there.

1051
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 1: If it's a soft bump, meaning he didn't really know

1052
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 1: what you were, he heard something, he kind of takes off.

1053
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: You hear him. He's not going a hundred miles an hour,

1054
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: but he takes off kind of bounds away maybe see

1055
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: him walking away, Um, but he doesn't necessarily get your

1056
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: your scent. I think if if that's the case, then

1057
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have any confidence in in setting up there.

1058
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,919
Speaker 1: But you got to assume that the smart hunters playing

1059
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: the wind as they're scouting their way in. But I

1060
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: would set up downwind of where that deer was betted.

1061
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 1: And from my experience, like with with scrapes and beds,

1062
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: like somewhere in that seventy five yard to thirty yard range,

1063
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 1: I've seen deer approach those areas downwind, somewhere in that window,

1064
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: you know. And it's like, you don't know exactly, but

1065
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 1: I would look somewhere in that range, preferably like on

1066
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: the on the farther side of that especially, you know,

1067
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 1: if they were bumped, um, and I would sit at

1068
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: that afternoon and if he didn't come through, I would

1069
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 1: be back there that morning. And then if if you

1070
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 1: don't get him, then I'm onto the next one. Okay,

1071
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 1: Interesting would you would you let's say that scenario is happening,

1072
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 1: you set up down wind of that spot, the bucks

1073
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 1: coming in back to the bed. It actually is kind

1074
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 1: of working out the way you wanted to. But you

1075
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: can see he's not going to come and range for

1076
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: a shot. Do you risk trying to call to him

1077
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 1: given the fact that you just bumped him a couple

1078
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: of hours ago and he's already on edge, or do

1079
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: you just wait and try again the next day or something.

1080
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 1: I would probably, Man, that's tough. Yeah, yeah, I mean

1081
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 1: a lot of that just goes to like the temperament

1082
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: of the deer too. I mean, I think some deer

1083
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: seemed to let things go more. You know, some bucks

1084
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 1: seemed seemed to kind of not be as affected by

1085
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 1: things like that. Another deer just like come out of

1086
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 1: their skin and like you know, I've I've grunted into

1087
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 1: some deer and they take off like you shot a

1088
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: shotgun at him, you know what I mean. So I

1089
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: would probably penning on how far I was away from

1090
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 1: the bed. I might just let him go to bed.

1091
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 1: I might I might stay there if I thought there's

1092
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 1: a chance he could get up later that evening, um,

1093
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 1: whether that be that same day or the or the

1094
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: next day, I might just stay there. I might try

1095
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 1: to get down, sneak out and readjust I mean, with

1096
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 1: with some of our mobile equipment these days, like it's

1097
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 1: it's you can get pretty good and quiet with it

1098
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: as far as like setting up um and taken down.

1099
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 1: You know, if you if you're feel pretty stealthier that

1100
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 1: and you're say you're you know, eight yards away or

1101
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 1: something like that, you might be able to to climb

1102
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 1: down and and readjust if you think like, hey, he's

1103
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 1: gonna get up and had had a front way. But

1104
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 1: it's all situational dependent, depending on like the terrain and

1105
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 1: the cover, the ground cover, all that stuff comes into place.

1106
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 1: So it's it's really a judgment call on that. You know,

1107
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 1: when you're you're sitting there up in that tree, you

1108
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 1: gotta kind of think about all that stuff before you

1109
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 1: make your decision. Here here's another one that you just

1110
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 1: made me think of. But what if you decide you

1111
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 1: want to make a move like that where you hunt

1112
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 1: an evening spot, you see something and you want to

1113
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 1: adjust for them next morning, when all you know, all

1114
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 1: other things being equal, when do you think is the

1115
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 1: better time to make that adjustment. Should you make the

1116
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 1: adjustment after dark that night, so you pulled on your

1117
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 1: stuff right then and try to find a spot to

1118
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 1: hang in the middle of the night while you're there,

1119
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 1: or come back in the next morning early enough to

1120
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 1: get us set up in the morning before daylight. What

1121
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 1: time are you're you're talking? Uh, yeah, let's let's say

1122
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 1: this is uh well, the scenario we were just talking

1123
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 1: through was like October nineteenth, give a takes, so let's

1124
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 1: just stick with that. Yeah. UM, well, I'm not opposed

1125
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 1: at all, and I've shot some nice deer going in

1126
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 1: blind in the morning and setting up. But I've also

1127
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 1: set up blind in the morning and then gets daylight

1128
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 1: and I can't shoot anywhere, So I don't prefer that. Um.

1129
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: If I can somehow pick out a location UM that

1130
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 1: evening and see a tree, UM, that would work, I

1131
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: might be inclined to. Um. If if I if just

1132
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 1: say that deer gets up and you see him move

1133
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 1: off the other way, I would probably be more inclined

1134
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 1: to pull my stuff down and go set my sticks

1135
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 1: or whatever right then while he's gone, and then I

1136
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 1: could hunt that in the morning. Um. If for some

1137
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 1: reason you don't feel like you can do that, for

1138
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 1: whatever reason, he's kind of stays in that betting thicket,

1139
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 1: you're not sure he's gone, I would probably be more

1140
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 1: inclined to kind of eyeball where I want to be

1141
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 1: um and then come back real early in the morning.

1142
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 1: I think you can. I've had some I've had some

1143
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 1: mid and early October hunts out of state where I've

1144
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 1: seen bucks on their feet well into late morning, and

1145
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 1: it's it's really shocking because I don't see that back

1146
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 1: home too much. But then there's been other times where

1147
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 1: I've seen bucks literally I've been set up, you know,

1148
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 1: an hour and a half before first light and you

1149
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 1: know it's just gray light, or you know, even before

1150
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 1: shooting light and you hear something walking and you look

1151
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 1: down and you see it, you know, the big buck

1152
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 1: going back to bed before it's even shooting light. So

1153
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's again depending on pressure, depending

1154
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 1: on terrain. Um, you know, if you're kind of in there,

1155
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 1: they're safe zone. I feel like a lot of times

1156
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 1: they'll get into those areas before daylight, but then you

1157
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 1: still have some some activity that during shooting hours where

1158
01:03:57,120 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 1: you could get it done. But regardless, the whole point is,

1159
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: I'd want to be set up without alerting the deer,

1160
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 1: whether that's doing it that night after he leaves or

1161
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 1: getting in there real early. But I would just want

1162
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:11,920
Speaker 1: to be confident if I'm gonna go in there real

1163
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 1: early next morning. I want to be confident that that

1164
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 1: tree is going to be working. I'm its gonna work,

1165
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna have some shooting a billy out of it. Yeah,

1166
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:25,440
Speaker 1: that's the trick. It's tough to do in the dark. Um. Okay,

1167
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 1: let's push forward until late October and we're into the

1168
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:35,919
Speaker 1: pre rut. It's October or somewhere in that ballpark, and

1169
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: we often talk about how that's one of your very

1170
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 1: that's a really good time of the year because these

1171
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:42,959
Speaker 1: bucks are getting kind of ready. They're they're just about

1172
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 1: ready to explode, but they haven't necessarily left their core

1173
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 1: area chasing does all over the place. Um at least,

1174
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 1: that's kind of a generic over simplification of that time

1175
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 1: of year. So if that was that time of the year,

1176
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 1: I might be getting ready to go take a swing

1177
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 1: at some of my better spots maybe for that time

1178
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 1: of year because of that. But but and you've got

1179
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 1: to buck your after there. But the problem is that

1180
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 1: right when you're about to do that, a warm spell hits,

1181
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 1: and we're gonna get five days. The rest of October

1182
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 1: is going to be hot, like seventy degrees let's say, so,

1183
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 1: do you still try to take some kind of move

1184
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 1: in there because you know that once the first or

1185
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 1: second November hits, you just don't know where he's going

1186
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 1: to be. Or do you say, I'm not gonna blow

1187
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 1: my my chances on these warm weather days and I'm

1188
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 1: gonna wait until November and see what happens. What would

1189
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 1: you do in that scenario? So I went through UM,

1190
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 1: this was probably a year or two ago, but I

1191
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 1: went through a lot. I don't think I made it

1192
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 1: through all of them. But I sat down and I

1193
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 1: started going through all of my kills, and I was

1194
01:05:55,720 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 1: really looking at UM historical weather data, UM, and I

1195
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 1: was trying to find, you know, just basically look at

1196
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 1: some of the conditions and see if I could find

1197
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 1: some some things that stood out. And one of the

1198
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 1: things that was really interesting to me was that I

1199
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 1: had just as many kills that were above average temperatures

1200
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 1: as I did below UM. And I think that in

1201
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 1: part has to do with the allow the way I

1202
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 1: hunt deer in that that time frame of October, and

1203
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 1: I put late October in the same, uh, the same

1204
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 1: general time frame, because the deer are still you know,

1205
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 1: a lot of times in their in their more of

1206
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 1: their home range, not necessarily venturing out to run um,

1207
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 1: you know, traveling long distances. So I in that situation

1208
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 1: would definitely um move in. If it's a if it's

1209
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 1: a specific year that I'm after, I would try to

1210
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 1: really get in tight to his betting. And I love

1211
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 1: the late October or any October cold front. I love

1212
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 1: it for increased activity and you see, you tend to

1213
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:17,440
Speaker 1: see better action because dear a traveling further from their beds.

1214
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 1: And that's a lot of times like um, even that

1215
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 1: first week of October we had that nice cool front

1216
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:26,479
Speaker 1: and all my friends were seeing good deer and the

1217
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 1: cameras were blowing up, and you know, it was just

1218
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 1: you get get a really good activity. But that doesn't

1219
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 1: mean you can't kill them when it's seventy or eighty degrees.

1220
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 1: I mean you can. The deer will still get up

1221
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 1: out of bed and move, but it's just gonna be

1222
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 1: a lot tighter to betting. So if it's a specific

1223
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 1: deer and I have the confidence, um, and it's an

1224
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 1: area I know well, and if a deer is in

1225
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 1: that area and is he I feel like, okay, he's betted,

1226
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 1: and you know one of these three or four spots,

1227
01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna dive in and hunt those spots I am

1228
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 1: during that time of year, because, like I said before,

1229
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 1: going after a specific deer throughout the month of November,

1230
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:07,440
Speaker 1: I've I've just chased my tail with it. You know.

1231
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 1: I see him, you know, way out in the swamp here,

1232
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:12,439
Speaker 1: and then I get a picture of him way over here.

1233
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:16,840
Speaker 1: It's like I can never really catch up with that deer,

1234
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:18,640
Speaker 1: and then and then he just disappears all together and

1235
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:21,600
Speaker 1: it shows back up around like and in November, you

1236
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So I think you're it's just

1237
01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 1: it's such a when you're after a specific bucket's such

1238
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:31,639
Speaker 1: a frustrating time. Now if he's around, you're seeing him

1239
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:34,160
Speaker 1: and you're still getting pictures, that might be one of

1240
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 1: those times where I'm I might plant myself in that

1241
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:39,479
Speaker 1: one tree that he goes by the most and just

1242
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 1: put in my time or all funnel that I know

1243
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:43,679
Speaker 1: he travels with, and just always play the wind around

1244
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 1: that little area where he he seems to be frequenting.

1245
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 1: So it's it's it's gonna depend but that that late

1246
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 1: October time frame, warm front. I mean, I'm not gonna

1247
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:54,759
Speaker 1: sit and wait. I'm not gonna sit and wait because

1248
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:58,840
Speaker 1: he could be he could completely move to a different area.

1249
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 1: I've I've seen a lot bucks do that, where they

1250
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 1: will be around for you know that early October, mid October, um,

1251
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:11,719
Speaker 1: maybe even in the late October, and then come rut

1252
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 1: they shift. They got a different area they go to,

1253
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 1: and then if they survive a lot of times they

1254
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 1: come back to that area more late season. And then

1255
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:24,160
Speaker 1: other deer if you have everything they need, food, cover, water, um,

1256
01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 1: and there's there's enough doughs there to keep them interested.

1257
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:29,840
Speaker 1: I've seen them stay. So it's really going to depend

1258
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 1: on your knowledge of that deer um and your knowledge

1259
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:34,760
Speaker 1: of your hunting area. Whether you can get in tight

1260
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:38,440
Speaker 1: to these betting you know these betting spots. But I would, personally,

1261
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 1: I would dive in and be aggressive. For me, being

1262
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:47,439
Speaker 1: aggressive has paid off um a lot. It's it's it's

1263
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:50,720
Speaker 1: probably the one thing about my style of hunting that

1264
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:53,880
Speaker 1: I think has helped me. I've had a lot of

1265
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 1: kills just being aggressive. But I've also you you by

1266
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 1: doing so, you you just learn more because you you're

1267
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:03,680
Speaker 1: getting in there and you're mixing up, You're making some

1268
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 1: mistakes and you just are able to grow from those.

1269
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 1: So for me personally, I'm going to dive in after

1270
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:12,599
Speaker 1: that book because I feel like it's gonna be really

1271
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 1: hard to to kind of narrow down. That's a lot

1272
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:18,760
Speaker 1: of the reason I like to travel during that those

1273
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:23,880
Speaker 1: first two weeks of November is because I it's hard

1274
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:26,759
Speaker 1: for me to kill a specific buck here in Michigan

1275
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 1: during that time frame, So I'd rather just go to

1276
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:34,000
Speaker 1: a state that is a little more um, maybe has

1277
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 1: a little more a few more mature deer, and then

1278
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 1: just put in my time in your typical rut spots

1279
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 1: and usually the action is better because there's you know,

1280
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:46,760
Speaker 1: higher competition, more mature books, and it's just it's just

1281
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 1: a fun time to travel because I'm not after that

1282
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:54,879
Speaker 1: one specific book. What's that window of time in October? Um,

1283
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:58,160
Speaker 1: where you would do what you just described, get get

1284
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 1: kind of aggressive regardless of the weather. Could you if

1285
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:04,519
Speaker 1: you had to pick the window, is it October one?

1286
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 1: Is that the one? Is that thirty one? Like? What

1287
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 1: if you had to pick that window where you gotta

1288
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 1: do it? Um, what would you say? That would be? Yeah?

1289
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:23,479
Speaker 1: I would say you know that October through November second

1290
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 1: time frames somewhere in there. I mean, ideally, I'm hoping

1291
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 1: for a really good cold front in that time, but

1292
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:31,720
Speaker 1: if it just doesn't come, I'm not gonna I'm not

1293
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 1: sitting back doing nothing. I'm I'm I'm gonna start throwing

1294
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 1: sits at these at these spots where I think the

1295
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 1: bucks are living, and I'm just gonna get in tighter.

1296
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 1: You know, the the poorer the weather is for movement,

1297
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 1: the tighter I'm gonna risk getting in closer to betting,

1298
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 1: the better it is for movement. Um, the cooler the weather,

1299
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:55,559
Speaker 1: the farther back I feel comfortable city. Um, And that's that's.

1300
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 1: It may be a difference of fifty yards or a

1301
01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:01,000
Speaker 1: hundred yards, but that's kind of the way I look

1302
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:04,240
Speaker 1: at it that time of year. Two. Um, you know,

1303
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:07,880
Speaker 1: if you do know where a particular buck is bedded,

1304
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:10,679
Speaker 1: or you have a good idea of two or three spots,

1305
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 1: you know, if you can find that something like a

1306
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:17,400
Speaker 1: terrain funnel that leads from that bed, or a good

1307
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 1: scrape that's in close proximity that bed, that's that's the

1308
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:22,759
Speaker 1: time frame to sit in those spots. And the cults

1309
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:25,559
Speaker 1: shirt is the bed the better, like when you're talking

1310
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:29,680
Speaker 1: about like a late October like warm front. Now, what

1311
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 1: if we take this this scenario, but we move it

1312
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:36,680
Speaker 1: to that time firm when you like to travel. So

1313
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 1: let's say it's November and you're out there on one

1314
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:43,679
Speaker 1: of these traveling out of state hunts and you've got

1315
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:46,879
Speaker 1: your five days to hunt the rut in Iowa or wherever,

1316
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 1: and you're gonna hunt it. You did the travel, but

1317
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:54,800
Speaker 1: you get this dreaded rut warm spell where you've got

1318
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 1: the seventy eight degree temperatures for that week you're you're

1319
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:02,720
Speaker 1: gonna hunt. But how would you approach hunting it differently? Um,

1320
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:05,599
Speaker 1: you just described to me that you would hunt closer

1321
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 1: to bedding areas in late October, But now you're in

1322
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:11,840
Speaker 1: a new place. You don't maybe you don't know where

1323
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 1: specific bucks are bedded, and really that probably doesn't matter

1324
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 1: on November ten because they're chasing those around and doing

1325
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:19,720
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. So how would you adjust for

1326
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 1: a really warm rut vacation? Yeah, so I ran into

1327
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:26,800
Speaker 1: that that that year. That that day I shot that

1328
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:31,960
Speaker 1: big um eleven point in in Iowa. It was seventy

1329
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:37,720
Speaker 1: seven degrees that day, and that was November six UM.

1330
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:42,800
Speaker 1: Basically what we saw was definitely a drop in overall activity,

1331
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:46,120
Speaker 1: but the deer we're still running. We saw flurries of activities,

1332
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:50,599
Speaker 1: you know, briefly early in the day and then late UM,

1333
01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:56,280
Speaker 1: and we were just really mobile, and we we found

1334
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 1: ourselves kind of gravitating towards we we're seeing more action

1335
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:03,280
Speaker 1: like just in an overall thicker cover rather than like

1336
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:06,639
Speaker 1: the rut funnels. Um. Not to say those couldn't pay off,

1337
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:10,240
Speaker 1: but we we kind of gravitated towards we just kept

1338
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:12,960
Speaker 1: pushing in closer to like dough betting essentially where there

1339
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 1: was good numbers of does, and we were still seeing activity,

1340
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:20,680
Speaker 1: like even through mid day, but they just weren't like

1341
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:24,160
Speaker 1: they weren't like you know, running out in the fields

1342
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:27,720
Speaker 1: or crossing these big open areas or or the rout

1343
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 1: funnels that we were sitting in, like we're really really

1344
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:34,760
Speaker 1: slow like mid day where in years past, like that

1345
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 1: was a really good spot to camp out all day,

1346
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:40,320
Speaker 1: you know. So we found ourselves just kind of gravitating

1347
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 1: towards that thicker cover which held more more does, and

1348
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 1: then the bucks were just kind of coming in and

1349
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:48,360
Speaker 1: out of there, and or we're already in there um

1350
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 1: and we had just kind of set up down windo

1351
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:51,280
Speaker 1: there or kind of get in the middle of it

1352
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:53,559
Speaker 1: and play the wind best we could. But that's how

1353
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:57,439
Speaker 1: that's how we were both basically able to have success

1354
01:14:57,479 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 1: that year. We just kind of zeroed in on where

1355
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:01,600
Speaker 1: a lot of the oh activity was as opposed to

1356
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:06,880
Speaker 1: like necessarily like rut funnels, where you would expect kind

1357
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 1: of like late morning, mid day and early afternoon movement.

1358
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 1: Did you still hunt mid day or just bail on

1359
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:17,839
Speaker 1: that and do something different? Yeah, that buck I shot

1360
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 1: was twelve th middle of the day. Man, that's it.

1361
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:26,080
Speaker 1: It was, you know, it was so it was so

1362
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:29,760
Speaker 1: funny because I went to I was down there with

1363
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:32,160
Speaker 1: you know, Mike, my buddy, you've met him, and we

1364
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 1: had one vehicle, so he's I don't know how he

1365
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:38,479
Speaker 1: was like four or five miles away. I'm hunting in

1366
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:40,720
Speaker 1: this spot where he dropped me off, and I was

1367
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 1: ways back in I'm sitting this rot funnel. And I

1368
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:47,559
Speaker 1: sat till I don't know, like eleven and I didn't

1369
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:50,760
Speaker 1: see a single deer. And as I get down and

1370
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 1: it's hot, Oh, this is what happened. I was up

1371
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:54,720
Speaker 1: in the tree, I didn't see a single deer. And

1372
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 1: then like not like nine thirty or ten, I hear

1373
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:02,680
Speaker 1: like all this like really aggressive, like rattling, and I'm

1374
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:04,280
Speaker 1: like what in the world. And I turned around and

1375
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:07,760
Speaker 1: there's another hunter, probably seventy five yards for me, and

1376
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 1: he's blowing on his grunt call and he's just hammering

1377
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:13,040
Speaker 1: like the biggest fight you've ever heard. And I was like,

1378
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 1: holy crap. So I was I was a little uh frustrated.

1379
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 1: Not only with that. I mean it happens, I mean

1380
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:22,760
Speaker 1: he was doing his thing whatever, but I was kind

1381
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 1: of stuck there without a ride, and it was going

1382
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:28,600
Speaker 1: to be in the you know, nearly eighty that day.

1383
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:32,720
Speaker 1: So I actually walked down. I hiked out and there

1384
01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 1: was another spot we can hunt, but it was about

1385
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:38,559
Speaker 1: a mile and a half down the road. So I

1386
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:42,120
Speaker 1: literally with all my stuff, all my gear full, camo,

1387
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:45,680
Speaker 1: I'm just like walking down the road and I'm like cursing,

1388
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:47,960
Speaker 1: you know, I'm like, oh my god, I'm sweating, I'm

1389
01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:52,240
Speaker 1: hating life. And um but I go to this this

1390
01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:56,639
Speaker 1: other spot where we knew there was a lot of deer. There,

1391
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 1: there was a lot of dos in there. It was

1392
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:00,640
Speaker 1: just a harder area to hunt it because it was

1393
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 1: like so thick, a big giant, a big giant area

1394
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:11,200
Speaker 1: without really any significant terrain funnels. But it was great cover.

1395
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:14,439
Speaker 1: It had standing corn, it had um like really tall

1396
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:16,840
Speaker 1: like set aside. It wasn't in CRP, but it was

1397
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:20,439
Speaker 1: just set aside really tall weeds, and there were does

1398
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 1: and bucks kind of all over in there. And I

1399
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:27,640
Speaker 1: ended up setting up along a river. UM got all

1400
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:29,640
Speaker 1: the way over there. I was. I set back up.

1401
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:31,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I was drenched in sweat. I was so mad.

1402
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 1: I was texting Mike. I was like this. I was

1403
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 1: so frustrated, you know. It was one of those deals.

1404
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:40,080
Speaker 1: And then he's like, I know, He's like I know, man,

1405
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 1: just you just set it out, you know whatever. I

1406
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:47,519
Speaker 1: was just venting, and literally it all happened like right

1407
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 1: when I got done texting him that scenario that I

1408
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:53,679
Speaker 1: explained earlier, and then I just I texted. I called him.

1409
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:55,640
Speaker 1: It was like ten minutes later. I called it. I

1410
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 1: just shot one. He's like, what the world are you

1411
01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 1: talking about? You were just crying like a bay so um.

1412
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 1: You know, it was just all location and we were

1413
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:06,400
Speaker 1: I was tucked out on the down wind side of

1414
01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:08,840
Speaker 1: all that thick cover, and it just so I got

1415
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:11,280
Speaker 1: a little lucky because that other buck was moving through

1416
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:14,120
Speaker 1: that set aside, and you know that the big buck

1417
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:16,160
Speaker 1: met him, and then the doll kind of squirted my way.

1418
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:20,000
Speaker 1: But you know, that's that's kind of that's always my plan.

1419
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:22,920
Speaker 1: When you know, if it's during the rut and the

1420
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:24,840
Speaker 1: weather's hot, I'm gonna get I'm just gonna try to

1421
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:27,160
Speaker 1: get in tighter to the dos because the bucks will

1422
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:30,559
Speaker 1: always be there. They won't always be traveling, you know,

1423
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:34,360
Speaker 1: across fields and into the you know, uh, down those

1424
01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 1: rough funnels and and whatnot when it's eighty degrees, but

1425
01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:39,680
Speaker 1: they're they're gonna be they're still gonna be interested in

1426
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:42,120
Speaker 1: the doughs. They're still gonna rut. That's that's the fail safe.

1427
01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:47,400
Speaker 1: That's always the one spot you can count on. Alright,

1428
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:51,599
Speaker 1: I got a couple more for you here, um November five,

1429
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:54,400
Speaker 1: six seventh, somewhere in that same kind of general window,

1430
01:18:55,360 --> 01:19:01,800
Speaker 1: and you're hunting your your best spot, your best little

1431
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:04,920
Speaker 1: rut funnel. Let's say on this chunk that you're hunting,

1432
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:07,320
Speaker 1: and you're hunting this spot because there's two really good

1433
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:09,960
Speaker 1: bucks are after and there might be some other deer

1434
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:11,519
Speaker 1: in the general area that you don't know about, but

1435
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 1: you know that there's two really good bucks that you

1436
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 1: really would like to get a crack at, and you're

1437
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:17,960
Speaker 1: after him in this spot and you're you're in this

1438
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:22,760
Speaker 1: it's the spot. But one of these bucks come through,

1439
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:26,240
Speaker 1: comes through, and your wind swirls or something goes wrong

1440
01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:29,200
Speaker 1: and he wins you. So that buck? Whin did you

1441
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 1: on November five? In your best spot? How do you adjust?

1442
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:36,559
Speaker 1: Do you push through and keep hunting it the rest

1443
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:38,880
Speaker 1: of that day and give another shot the next day

1444
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:40,559
Speaker 1: or something because there's still at other buck you want

1445
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:43,000
Speaker 1: to get a crack at, and this, for some reason

1446
01:19:43,080 --> 01:19:45,400
Speaker 1: you think this is that spot. Or do you say,

1447
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:49,479
Speaker 1: all right, I'm screwed because this bucks he smelled me.

1448
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:53,800
Speaker 1: Now I need to really rethink things. What what's what's

1449
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 1: your plan in that situation? Yeah? Um, I don't know.

1450
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:00,280
Speaker 1: That's a tough one. I mean, it's on to say

1451
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:02,760
Speaker 1: I could go either way. I might. I might relocate

1452
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:06,880
Speaker 1: um to an area like or maybe another funnel or

1453
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 1: or downwind side of a doe betting or something like

1454
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 1: that in that same general area where I would think,

1455
01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 1: you know, I'd still have a chance at both of them. Um,

1456
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:19,679
Speaker 1: I might, I might be inclined to just camp out

1457
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 1: in that spot and hold out for the other book. Um,

1458
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:27,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I could. I could

1459
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 1: go either way on that scenario, to be honest with you. UM,

1460
01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:32,800
Speaker 1: but I I guess my gut would tell me to

1461
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:38,200
Speaker 1: put myself in an area where the other deer hasn't

1462
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:42,559
Speaker 1: obviously spooked from me, and there's still a fair chance

1463
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:45,200
Speaker 1: that the other buck that I haven't seen yet could

1464
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:47,520
Speaker 1: could cruise through to just kind of play the percentages,

1465
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:53,120
Speaker 1: probably something like that. Okay, that's that seems fair alright.

1466
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:59,760
Speaker 1: One more November question. It's novem in Michigan, and let's

1467
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:02,880
Speaker 1: say you are hunting in Michigan at that time period,

1468
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:07,240
Speaker 1: because you do have some special slammer buck that you

1469
01:21:07,240 --> 01:21:10,439
Speaker 1: really want to get a crack at, and it's it's

1470
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:15,000
Speaker 1: your last day. Gun season opens tomorrow. We all know

1471
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 1: that here in Michigan, and you could you could take

1472
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:19,320
Speaker 1: the same snare and drop in any other state. It's

1473
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:21,479
Speaker 1: the night before opening day gun season. We know the

1474
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 1: next day things are going to change. The woods are

1475
01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:27,080
Speaker 1: gonna get blown up by other hunters. There's a a

1476
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:28,800
Speaker 1: better chance than at any other point of the year

1477
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:33,720
Speaker 1: that your target buck could get killed. Um. So in

1478
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:38,960
Speaker 1: this case, all things being equal, you know, how do

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01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:43,360
Speaker 1: you take that last day swing? Um? What does that

1480
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:45,840
Speaker 1: hail Mary look for you? Like? What does that look

1481
01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:47,759
Speaker 1: like for you on the last day of both season?

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01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:50,880
Speaker 1: I mean for us it's November. I mean I don't.

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01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 1: I don't. I I don't think that I would feel

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01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:58,880
Speaker 1: confident that I would know where that buck was betted

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01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:04,640
Speaker 1: unless I had a sighting or a picture, um, like

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01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:07,280
Speaker 1: very very recently, you know, like a sighting of him

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01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 1: going into a thicket or something in the morning. You know,

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01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:12,559
Speaker 1: obviously I would I would move in tight, you know,

1489
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:14,759
Speaker 1: get in tight and try to swing for the fences

1490
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:16,720
Speaker 1: like that. But I didn't see him. I have no

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01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:20,080
Speaker 1: idea where he's at. I don't. I wouldn't have confidence

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01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:22,639
Speaker 1: of jumping in anywhere and saying I'm swinging for the fences.

1493
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:25,800
Speaker 1: I probably still would do like an all day sit.

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01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:32,320
Speaker 1: Um probably either in I would probably put myself in

1495
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:36,719
Speaker 1: a funnel between two betting two good dough betting areas,

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01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:39,640
Speaker 1: assuming there is one like I'm picturing, like a like

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01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:44,799
Speaker 1: a cool river bottom that has dough betting along it um,

1498
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:47,160
Speaker 1: you know, in the river bends and whatnot, and you

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01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:50,519
Speaker 1: position yourself in between and you just do one all

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01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:55,600
Speaker 1: day sit um. Or if I had seen him or

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01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 1: saw activity of him in a certain thicket where there

1502
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:01,880
Speaker 1: was a good dough near go good dough numbers, I

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01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:07,400
Speaker 1: would probably jump right into the middle of that um

1504
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:11,639
Speaker 1: playing the win try, you know, maybe playing the down

1505
01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:15,120
Speaker 1: wind side a little bit, but maybe not so much

1506
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 1: on the edge. I'd probably maybe get a little more

1507
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:18,639
Speaker 1: to the interior, and I would do an all day

1508
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:22,400
Speaker 1: sit um. I just wouldn't feel comfortable saying like, oh,

1509
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:25,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna jump into this betting area on Novem. You know,

1510
01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:28,280
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna probably most likely be locked down

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01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:34,479
Speaker 1: with a dough. UM. So tough one, A tough tough

1512
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:37,320
Speaker 1: one to answer, but I guess I would. I guess

1513
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:39,800
Speaker 1: I would be inclined to to pick one of those

1514
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:44,320
Speaker 1: two choices. Maybe even you know, if if it's an

1515
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:48,600
Speaker 1: area like um, you know, like maybe a couple of

1516
01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:50,920
Speaker 1: areas that similar to where you and I hunt, you

1517
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:54,120
Speaker 1: can see a long ways into a good cover, might

1518
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:56,599
Speaker 1: not even be a bad idea to to set up

1519
01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:59,360
Speaker 1: early in a spot where you can see a long

1520
01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:03,519
Speaker 1: ways in that good cover. Um, you might have a

1521
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:06,519
Speaker 1: chance at him there, but maybe more so even just

1522
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:10,160
Speaker 1: trying to get eyes on him. And I think during

1523
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:13,439
Speaker 1: that time of year, he's probably, you know, like I said,

1524
01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:15,120
Speaker 1: going to be locked down. He's probably not going to

1525
01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:19,160
Speaker 1: be moving super far. Um. It's it's real, it's real

1526
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:21,360
Speaker 1: tough to answer that question, but probably one of those

1527
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 1: three scenarios I would I would choose depending on location, habitat,

1528
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:29,839
Speaker 1: what I could see, um, you know, and the most recent,

1529
01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 1: the most recent intel I have of that of that deer.

1530
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:37,679
Speaker 1: I would try to make the best decision there. Alright, Andy,

1531
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:40,839
Speaker 1: you have almost made it through the what would you do? Gauntlet?

1532
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:43,800
Speaker 1: We just got our kind of wrap up rapid fire

1533
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:48,599
Speaker 1: questions of sorts here to end us out. Uh, here's

1534
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 1: one you've heard me ask before. I am all powerful

1535
01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:54,720
Speaker 1: and I'm going to take away your privileges to hunt

1536
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:57,040
Speaker 1: for the next ten years. Andy, No more hunting for

1537
01:24:57,080 --> 01:25:02,600
Speaker 1: ten years unless you kill a mature buck in Michigan

1538
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:06,320
Speaker 1: this year. And I'm only gonna give you one day

1539
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:09,519
Speaker 1: to do it. You have to pick your one single

1540
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:12,160
Speaker 1: day you're gonna hunt this season in Michigan to kill

1541
01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:14,080
Speaker 1: a mature buck, and we'll we'll give you a three

1542
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 1: year old. We'll say three is mature in Michigan. You

1543
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:19,200
Speaker 1: gotta kill a three year old in Michigan. Pick the

1544
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:21,800
Speaker 1: single day you think you've got the best chance, and

1545
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:25,679
Speaker 1: tell me the hypothetical stand you would sit for that day.

1546
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:32,160
Speaker 1: M hmm. Yeah. I go back and forth between two.

1547
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:35,439
Speaker 1: So I've I've killed five big bucks on November six.

1548
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:39,840
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is about that day. Um.

1549
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:42,559
Speaker 1: So part of me wants to pick that one, but

1550
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:45,320
Speaker 1: a lot of those have been out of state, and

1551
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:52,439
Speaker 1: the other part of me wants to pick the opener. Um,

1552
01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:54,280
Speaker 1: it wouldn't have done me much good this year, but

1553
01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:57,920
Speaker 1: most years, most years I have a beat on a

1554
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:00,720
Speaker 1: buck three and a half or older in again for

1555
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:05,200
Speaker 1: the opener, and I feel like I have as good

1556
01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:09,160
Speaker 1: a chance as any, probably more so to shoot him

1557
01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:12,719
Speaker 1: that day, um, or somewhere in the first day or two.

1558
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:21,360
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking probably I'm probably in some sort of

1559
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:30,320
Speaker 1: creek bottom, and I have glass this deer coming out

1560
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:36,639
Speaker 1: of a spot along that creek, and or a picture

1561
01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:41,759
Speaker 1: some sort of intel that that tells me that he's

1562
01:26:41,880 --> 01:26:44,960
Speaker 1: betted in this area, you know, a day or two

1563
01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:48,479
Speaker 1: before the season, and then I'm probably going to sneak

1564
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:55,080
Speaker 1: along that creek down in it and pop up um

1565
01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:57,120
Speaker 1: as close as I can, get as close as I can,

1566
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 1: and set up HUM along that creek along that travel

1567
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:06,360
Speaker 1: in the direction that I think he's going ahead. That

1568
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:10,200
Speaker 1: would probably be kind of like best case scenario, like

1569
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:12,880
Speaker 1: he's kind of works along this creek a certain direction

1570
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:15,280
Speaker 1: to like a destination type food source or something, and

1571
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:20,639
Speaker 1: I have perfect access um through the creek and then

1572
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:23,880
Speaker 1: pop up on the bank and just catch him by

1573
01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:28,280
Speaker 1: complete surprise. Probably something like that in Michigan, I will,

1574
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:32,000
Speaker 1: you know if in another state, I would say, you know,

1575
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:36,880
Speaker 1: I'm glass in a secluded bean filled early and you know,

1576
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:39,639
Speaker 1: I'm watching the low spots and watching the back inside corners,

1577
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:41,920
Speaker 1: and I see a good buck pop out. But I

1578
01:27:41,960 --> 01:27:44,840
Speaker 1: just I haven't been able to capitalize that too much

1579
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:47,760
Speaker 1: here in Michigan. But like, give me a state, like

1580
01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:50,920
Speaker 1: you know, Kentucky or something for the bow opener. I

1581
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:53,160
Speaker 1: mean that that would be more of my my go

1582
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:57,400
Speaker 1: to and really high, really high success rate just doing that. Yeah,

1583
01:27:57,760 --> 01:28:00,880
Speaker 1: all right, that sounds like a pretty good scenario. Okay,

1584
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:04,200
Speaker 1: rapid fire really quick. Here one answer or one word

1585
01:28:04,200 --> 01:28:08,160
Speaker 1: answers Here? Does the moon matter for deer movement? Yes?

1586
01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:11,639
Speaker 1: Or no? Yes? Would you take a fifty yards shot

1587
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:13,920
Speaker 1: at a white tail from a tree standard saddle with

1588
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:20,680
Speaker 1: your bow? Yes? Or no? From a saddle stand or saddle? Um?

1589
01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:24,840
Speaker 1: And if it's different, tell me answer for each Oh, no,

1590
01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:30,880
Speaker 1: it's not different. Um. One word answer as best as

1591
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:36,040
Speaker 1: you can. Yes. If you could only have one of

1592
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:38,280
Speaker 1: these for the rest of your hunts, would it be

1593
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:44,519
Speaker 1: rattling antlers or grunt? To which one for the rest

1594
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:50,320
Speaker 1: of your life? Rattling antlers? Because I feel like I could.

1595
01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:55,160
Speaker 1: I feel like I could probably if I needed to

1596
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:59,160
Speaker 1: in a pinch grunt with my mouth. Okay? Expandable or

1597
01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:06,760
Speaker 1: fixed blade broad heads I carry? Both depends on the

1598
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:09,479
Speaker 1: deer like put on the fixed plates for this big

1599
01:29:09,479 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 1: boy explanable. Should you stop a buck with some kind

1600
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:19,160
Speaker 1: of sound before shooting? Yes or no? Yes? Will you

1601
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:26,080
Speaker 1: kill the big six in Ohio this year? Uh? Yes?

1602
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:31,920
Speaker 1: Will I kill my target buck tran this year? Yes? Alright?

1603
01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:37,240
Speaker 1: Right answer on the last Alright, buddy, That's all I

1604
01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:39,559
Speaker 1: got for you. Thank you so much for taking time

1605
01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:41,800
Speaker 1: to do this. Hey, no problem, man, it was fun.

1606
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:45,080
Speaker 1: It was fun. I'll talk to you soon, all right,

1607
01:29:45,400 --> 01:29:49,760
Speaker 1: Thank you, alright, and that's it. Thanks for listening. I

1608
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:52,320
Speaker 1: know if you are at all like me and eating

1609
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:55,760
Speaker 1: up with all this stuff, then you seriously enjoyed that

1610
01:29:55,800 --> 01:30:01,120
Speaker 1: conversation too. So a couple quick or my enders. Number One,

1611
01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:03,920
Speaker 1: we've got the white Tail Weekly newsletter from Meat Eater

1612
01:30:04,160 --> 01:30:08,240
Speaker 1: that I and uh that myself and Spencer put together.

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01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:10,559
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1614
01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:13,280
Speaker 1: Tail Weekly Newsletter to get the latest white Tail content

1615
01:30:13,320 --> 01:30:15,920
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1616
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:19,360
Speaker 1: over at the meat eater dot com. Secondly, make sure

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01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:22,200
Speaker 1: you're following me on Instagram wire to Hunt that's the

1618
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:25,519
Speaker 1: handle on Instagram. I'm posting live updates for my hunts

1619
01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:27,679
Speaker 1: on the I G story and a lot more behind

1620
01:30:27,720 --> 01:30:31,360
Speaker 1: the scenes stuff. That's where you can find it. And uh,

1621
01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:34,760
Speaker 1: I guess that's it. So best of luck with your

1622
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:37,880
Speaker 1: upcoming hunts. Have a blast out there, be safe, and

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Speaker 1: until next time, stay Wired to Hunt.