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Speaker 1: we'll get back into the big NBA story of the

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Speaker 1: day coming up in a few minutes. Damian Lillard, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I guess what, going back home. I'm going home, right,

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Speaker 1: we gonna get Kyrie Irving doing I'm going home I'm coming. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know you're gonna go Ozzie with that. Now Ozzi's done?

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Speaker 1: Man not doing it?

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Speaker 3: Well, then I have to pick up the torch, now,

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Speaker 3: don't I I love you all.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that you do. I don't think there

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Speaker 1: was a big outcry for that. I don't. I don't

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Speaker 1: think anybody. I don't think it.

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Speaker 3: Happened more so than the bands you're trying to promote.

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Speaker 1: I don't think what bands am I trying to promote?

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Speaker 1: Who am I trying to promote? What have I promoted?

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Speaker 3: Just bringing up all sorts of other folks with songs

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Speaker 1: Well, Kyrie Irvings singing the I'm Coming home to troll

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Speaker 1: Lebron thing was a pretty big deal.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a long time ago. Yeah he's not playing

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Speaker 3: right now using the sage brush on his legs.

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Speaker 1: I mean, come on, it doesn't matter. Why not it

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Speaker 1: was a long time ago. Oh okay, all right, great.

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Speaker 3: I'm here in twenty twenty five. We just celebrate that

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Speaker 1: That's true. That that that's true. It was it was

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry to miss the conversation on that one.

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Speaker 1: Not only did you miss the Aussie show, you missed

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Speaker 1: Lee Alien night, which I really pissed that you missed it. Man,

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Speaker 1: You can't even talk if I call you at like

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Speaker 1: But otherwise, hang on, I'm in Superman. Let me leave

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Speaker 1: But this is what shows you that the Steelers really

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Speaker 1: It is it is. But even Damian Lillard left before

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Speaker 1: so important it's the retire a Steeler. No, you know

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Speaker 1: what's more important? Winning bleep in football games. That's the

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Speaker 1: most important thing. And what the Steelers have done here again,

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Speaker 1: you know, look has been terrific. But when he's thirty

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Speaker 1: How about you put some resources in and figure out, Hey,

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Speaker 1: this is the quarterback we want in the draft, or

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Speaker 1: a trade. This is how you win in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Yet the Stealers still want to treat the quarterback position like, ah,

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Speaker 1: it's not nineteen eighty five, not nineteen seventy five. You

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Speaker 1: is how you win in the NFL. And the Steelers

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Speaker 1: They're kind of like the Lakers, right, Like the Lakers

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Speaker 1: Do you think that you're gonna win by saying a

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Speaker 1: we got Aaron Rodgers for one year and ten million,

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson for nothing, Justin Fields for nothing, Like that's

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Speaker 1: not how you win, man, it's not. You've seen the

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Speaker 1: best of TJ. Watt, right, you've seen the best of it,

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Speaker 1: the best of Wilson and Rogers and you didn't really

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Speaker 1: Watt walk and found a quarterback that they loved, that

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Speaker 1: steals be super Bowl contender as every year there whether

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Speaker 1: Bowl caliber team. We see them. They're a playoff team.

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Speaker 1: Everything they don't finish under five hundred, they find a way.

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlins a great coach, but wow, building teams for

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Speaker 1: this modern era of the NFL, Like, what the hell

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Speaker 1: the back for about six weeks last year all Russell Wilson. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you see, I knew, I knew, I knew. No, it

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Speaker 1: And now it's going to work for Rogers, who basically

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Speaker 1: is retired already that wants one more year for fun.

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Speaker 1: Hey I want to have one more year. Oh great.

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Speaker 1: I think the Steelers want to win. I think the

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Speaker 1: players want to win, the fans want to win, but

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Speaker 1: you go have fun, Like, I don't understand how this

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio, the Jason Smith Show with my best

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Speaker 1: friend Mike Harmon. One word was being thrown around all

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Speaker 1: but one year is a free year, right because he's

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Speaker 1: gonna rehab and get paid thirteen million dollars. Right again,

431
00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:52,879
Speaker 1: he's got a lot of money coming, you know, getting

432
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Speaker 1: bought out in this thing. But why would he go

433
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Speaker 1: back there. He's not going to win. Portland is not

434
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Speaker 1: made to win. Looking at Damian Lillard and I can

435
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Speaker 1: easily answer the question is why. You know, Rick Buker

436
00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,080
Speaker 1: and I have had this conversation off and on for

437
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Speaker 1: a long time about how there's many stars in the

438
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Speaker 1: NBA that enjoy the lifestyle and enjoy being stars and

439
00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,360
Speaker 1: enjoy playing and give their all and try to win

440
00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,120
Speaker 1: and leave it all on the court, but the ultimate

441
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Speaker 1: goal of winning at all, winning championships is not what

442
00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:30,480
Speaker 1: drives them, right, And it's why we talk about Kobe

443
00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:36,000
Speaker 1: and Lebron and Shaq and Steph Curry and Kevin Durant,

444
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,639
Speaker 1: guys who you know are judged by winning championships and

445
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Speaker 1: getting the NBA Finals, because that's what we see as fans.

446
00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,399
Speaker 1: We all want our teams to win, and we recognize

447
00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,760
Speaker 1: the players that we know, Hey, these are stars that

448
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:50,640
Speaker 1: are gonna get us there. These are stars that are

449
00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:54,119
Speaker 1: absolutely wrapped up in winning, and they're about at twenty

450
00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,800
Speaker 1: four to seven. Damian Lillard is not one of those guys. Right.

451
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Speaker 1: He was happy in Portland for the vast majority of

452
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Speaker 1: his career. He was happy putting up fifty on an

453
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Speaker 1: odd Wednesday night and would make a lot of news

454
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Speaker 1: on social media. We would talk about it because he's

455
00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 1: hitting shots from the logo and Dami loand we would

456
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,280
Speaker 1: say all the time, boy, you gotta get out of Portland.

457
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,760
Speaker 1: Go someplace else. Right, fans would all say the same thing.

458
00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,320
Speaker 1: Not reinventing the wheel, it was, hey, boy, Damie Lillard

459
00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,040
Speaker 1: on the heat, Damie Lillard on the Bucks would be

460
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Speaker 1: a phenomenal thing. He could go win and really, you know,

461
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Speaker 1: check that box off his resume, or here's a guy

462
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Speaker 1: who's been a star for a long time, loyal to

463
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Speaker 1: his team. Would be great. To see him go someplace.

464
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Speaker 1: Everybody would understand that he would have to go because

465
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Speaker 1: you want to win, right, You're playing in the NBA

466
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Speaker 1: to win. Finally, I don't know if we pushed him,

467
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Speaker 1: everybody pushed him at that point. But okay, he finally

468
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Speaker 1: left Portland, right, was okay with going to the Bucks

469
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Speaker 1: now not his first choice. Wanted to go to Miami,

470
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Speaker 1: didn't work out. Wound up with the Bucks. Not the

471
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Speaker 1: worst place in the world to play alongside Giannis, but

472
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 1: it didn't work. It didn't work, and he got hurt,

473
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Speaker 1: and now the Bucks are moving on and he decides,

474
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Speaker 1: I'm going back to Portland. Never in my life have

475
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Speaker 1: I seen Damian Lillar play a game and say, the

476
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 1: guy's taking it easy. He's loafing, right. He leaves it

477
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 1: all on the court. He goes out there like you

478
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Speaker 1: see him. But certain players want to win and are

479
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Speaker 1: driven singularly by that focus. Right. I keep going back

480
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,640
Speaker 1: to Kobe because he was that guy coming into the NBA.

481
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,360
Speaker 1: Lillard's a guy. Yeah. Does he go out and try

482
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Speaker 1: to win every game? Absolutely? Do you see him leave

483
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:30,199
Speaker 1: it all in the court, Yeah, But ultimately winning and

484
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Speaker 1: winning championships, that's not what makes him happy. He's one

485
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Speaker 1: of those full circle I have a life, I want,

486
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Speaker 1: I have a team I like playing for. I try

487
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Speaker 1: to win every bleep in game, but if I don't,

488
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Speaker 1: I don't and I still come out with the same

489
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Speaker 1: energy the next game and try to win. I still

490
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Speaker 1: love playing the game. I still love doing what I do.

491
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 1: But I'm not that guy that's going to look to

492
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Speaker 1: say I'm gonna take less money so I can go

493
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,199
Speaker 1: join up here to win a championship. He's just not

494
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Speaker 1: built that way. And you know what, honestly, that's okay.

495
00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 1: It's okay for a guy to be that way. And

496
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 1: you know there's certain players where you could tell, okay,

497
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Speaker 1: they're not they're not built like like even like Damian Lillard,

498
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 1: where I just want to get paid. I enjoy the lifestyle.

499
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 1: I enjoy coming out and playing, but really, some nights

500
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 1: I take off. You know, I'll take a night off

501
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 1: here and there when I feel like it. I'm just

502
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 1: I'm just not someone that's so wrapped up and winning.

503
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,880
Speaker 1: I like the life I have. I like what's going

504
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 1: I like what's going on. But even that part, I'm not. No, No,

505
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 1: Lillard wants to win He's just not that next level

506
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Speaker 1: guy that the fans all want him to be. We

507
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Speaker 1: wanted to be someone that, Hey, anything I can do

508
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Speaker 1: to win a championship. I see the sand running through

509
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Speaker 1: the hourglass in my NBA career. I want to know

510
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 1: he's not that way right, still out, still out playing great,

511
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Speaker 1: playing for a team I want to play for, given

512
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Speaker 1: my all. I like the family situation. I have the

513
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 1: guys figured out life, and you know what, that's okay.

514
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes fans want to win, want to do

515
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Speaker 1: anything to win more than players doing. It doesn't mean

516
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Speaker 1: that Lillard's not doing his best. It's just it's not.

517
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Speaker 1: Lillard's not singularly pushed by that. And there's lots of

518
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Speaker 1: players in the NBA that are like that. It's why

519
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 1: not everybody wants to stop what they're doing and rip

520
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 1: up my contract and I want to go play in

521
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 1: New York or I want to go play in Boston,

522
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 1: I want to go play in Oklahoma City. Not everybody

523
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Speaker 1: is that way, And I think as fans have to

524
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Speaker 1: understand that it's okay for players to be that way

525
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 1: as long as they're leaving it all on the court.

526
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 1: It's an okay thing. It's different from what we want,

527
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Speaker 1: but it's an okay thing to see.

528
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Speaker 3: Some of it comes back to the Scheffler comment Terry

529
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Speaker 3: that we did yesterday. You can find that podcast wherever

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Speaker 3: you download your audio, download and give it five stars.

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533
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Speaker 3: they got it and get the confirmation. All of that

534
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 3: to say that people approach their jobs their vocations, no

535
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Speaker 3: matter what they are, what their pay scale is, for

536
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 3: a variety of reasons, and it changes over time. Right,

537
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 3: Damian Lillard now is in those final few years highly compensated, absolutely,

538
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 3: but came into the league in twenty twelve, and maybe

539
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 3: he's found some piece of it, like I want to

540
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 3: win my way after going to Milwaukee and it not

541
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,239
Speaker 3: working right. And maybe Yiannis and we joked about this

542
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 3: over the course of the night of maybe jannest kind

543
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Speaker 3: of even though he signed his deal, might have said,

544
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Speaker 3: I don't think I'm coming back, and I might be

545
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 3: gone by time you hit the court again, so maybe

546
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 3: you look to other options. Maybe that's part of it.

547
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 3: I only say that half in Jess, but it's the

548
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 3: different levels of your career, right, you got young children,

549
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 3: you got motivations here here here kids are a little

550
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 3: bit older schools and whatever. You're you're checking other boxes

551
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 3: for yourself. Ambition changes over time versus complacency versus recognizing, hey,

552
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 3: you're pretty good at where you are and that's a

553
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 3: good place to be. To the I'm just holding on

554
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 3: to whatever, whether it's you know, you've got a pension

555
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 3: that's in the balance based on getting to a certain

556
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,400
Speaker 3: number of years. I've got plenty of friends that are

557
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 3: teachers and administrators and cite the different difficulties they've got

558
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,400
Speaker 3: going on with, you know, their local school board and

559
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 3: funds and classroom size, whatever else, whatever you do out

560
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 3: there for a living. They you know, apply to your

561
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 3: job as as you will. But you're looking at it going,

562
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 3: I need to do X number of years until I'm

563
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,120
Speaker 3: fully vested, then I can go do what i want

564
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 3: to do.

565
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: Right.

566
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Speaker 3: People have their different motivations. For Damian Lillard, I think

567
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,679
Speaker 3: some of this becomes the comfort where his family is,

568
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 3: where his kids are, uh certainly, uh, the familiarity of

569
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 3: the the town, and maybe just being a guy that

570
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 3: missed what he had and you know, you don't know

571
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Speaker 3: what you got till it's gone. And as much as

572
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 3: he might have been upset that it wasn't built to

573
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 3: his liking in Portland for those years in the past,

574
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Speaker 3: that you realize that maybe that wasn't gonna be the case,

575
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 3: and chasing is not who he is right cause other

576
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 3: guys might be, Hey, I'm gonna bounce around and I'm

577
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 3: gonna find championship rings the rest of it, be damned,

578
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 3: whatever that cost may be. And to some level, without

579
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,199
Speaker 3: talking to him, reading the tea leaves that's kind of

580
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 3: where he's at right comfortable with what his history is

581
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 3: as a player. And if he goes on the list

582
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 3: of best and never, man, that's a better list sometimes

583
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,199
Speaker 3: than being a guy that you know just kind of

584
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 3: stumbled into one when you're not the catalyst of it.

585
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: I feel bad. I feel like we. When I say we,

586
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: I mean fans, like we pushed him to go right,

587
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: Like I don't know that was just it, but dude,

588
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: you should go. You gotta go, man, Milwaukee's gonna be great.

589
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: And it didn't work like I thought, Oh, the guy

590
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,719
Speaker 1: really didn't want to go out, but it don't.

591
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 3: But there were the reports he wanted to go to Miami.

592
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 3: And look, we talked about it at the time, how

593
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 3: much was real how much imagine how much is coming

594
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,360
Speaker 3: out of his camp or stuff that's just being planted

595
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 3: or whatever, to try to force the issue in terms

596
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 3: of how much he really, ever really wanted to leave

597
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 3: Portland because he was going through a lot of personal

598
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 3: stuff at that point.

599
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

600
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 3: So like, you know, that can't be discounted in all

601
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 3: of this, right because you have the different stages of

602
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 3: your life, family, kids and whatever else that that come

603
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 3: into play. Some guys compartmentalize it, and women in their

604
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 3: jobs differently than others. It's like we talk about when

605
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,479
Speaker 3: you go through things, sometimes you can buck up and smile.

606
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 3: Some days it's the you know, traffic was just a

607
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 3: little too much and that was the thing that pushed

608
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Speaker 3: me over. You don't know, I may or may not

609
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 3: be talking from my own personal experience. I don't know sure,

610
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 3: but it's just that kind of thing where you know,

611
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 3: the old adage of you never know what folks are

612
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 3: going through, and certainly for athletes at that level, you know,

613
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 3: we do our best armchair psychology on a night to

614
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 3: night basis. Look in the end, as long as the

615
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 3: guy's back and he's happy. He got himself a nice

616
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 3: pile of cash from the Bucks, pretty decent rate from

617
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 3: the Blazers, even though he's not even gonna play one

618
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 3: of those years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

620
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 3: Oh, and he's still gonna be hit making money from

621
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 3: the Bucks. So in the end, he got the best

622
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 3: of both worlds.

623
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: All right.

624
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 3: I don't think I'm winning in Milwaukee. I'm not happy here.

625
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 3: I can go home and I get to keep all

626
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 3: the cash. Yeah, I mean because Boats said, hey, you know,

627
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 3: he get back. But whatever it was like thirteen well,

628
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 3: beal was like thirteen million. You got the details on

629
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Speaker 3: this one. It's like what's the price of your peace

630
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Speaker 3: of mind?

631
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Speaker 1: Right?

632
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 3: That's the ultimate thing, and each person has to answer

633
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 3: that for themselves.

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Speaker 5: interest with private equity groups that have been approved to

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Speaker 5: buy minority stakes in NFL teams. Howell only held the

646
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Speaker 5: position for just over two years and reportedly resigned by

647
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Speaker 5: his own decision. More than forty WNBA players gathered for

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Speaker 5: a meeting between the WNBA and the Players Association on

649
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Speaker 5: that side of the labor table, the biggest in person

650
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Speaker 5: player turnout in union history. As the WNBA All Star

651
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Speaker 5: Games approaching, it's the first in person meeting to about

652
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Speaker 5: this CBA. The two sides left with no resolution, but

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Speaker 5: that was to be expected. Clayton Clark is going to

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Speaker 5: miss the three Point Contest, an All Star Game, with

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Speaker 5: that groin injury she suffered on Tuesday against the Sun

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Speaker 5: and her statement, though Clark did say she would be

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Speaker 5: present for all of the action. Nine time NBA All

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Speaker 5: Star Damian Lillard finalizing a three year, forty two million

659
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Speaker 5: dollar contract, a return to the Trailblazers deal expected to

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Speaker 5: contain a player option.

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Speaker 1: TJ.

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Speaker 5: Watt, the highest paid non quarterback in the NFL history

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Speaker 5: for the second time in his career today. This time

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Speaker 5: it was a three year, one hundred and twenty three

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Speaker 5: million dollar extension that includes one hundred and eight fully

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Speaker 5: guaranteed at signing forty one million of that per year

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Speaker 5: is forty one million per year. Is the have is

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Speaker 5: that that's that highest average annual value. At the Open,

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Speaker 5: there's a five way tie at the top of the

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Speaker 5: leader board that includes Matt Fitzpatrick Harris English all four

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Speaker 5: under par. Scottish Scheffler is one shot back, and Roy

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Speaker 5: McElroy and did three shots back, Phil Mickelson. Philmokson as

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Speaker 5: a one under seventy for his best opening round. And

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry in the Open Championships is twenty sixteen, and

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Speaker 5: it looks like these some of these guys are just

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Speaker 5: getting ready to tee off the first group here.

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Speaker 1: It's great, Martin. We have lot we have I mean

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Speaker 1: we it's the seventh round of the Open Championship on

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Speaker 1: the air, like it's on while we're going on.

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Speaker 5: It's it's the best because it's like it's actual, like

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Speaker 5: you know, things that we'll talk about here as opposed

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Speaker 5: to like Korean baseball.

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Speaker 1: You know, like, did you like.

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Speaker 3: The bunt alternative to a home run derby as the

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Speaker 3: Korean League did see?

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Speaker 5: Unfortunately it didn't hit my news feed.

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Speaker 3: I have to be honest, Save Smith full Harmon nerddom

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Speaker 3: on this play.

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Speaker 1: Hey, I was I was waiting for Martin to say,

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately I lost a lot of money on that South

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Speaker 1: Korea bunt derby.

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Speaker 3: My newsfeed goes deep, rowdy tiles.

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Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, it looks like you'll be joining the Rangers

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Speaker 5: in the next In the shortly he as a team

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Speaker 5: breaks after the break back to you.

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Speaker 1: Guys, that is the deep news feed of Martin Wise

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Speaker 1: right there, Thanks a lot, buddy appreciated. My friend Jason

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Speaker 1: Smith Mike Harmon Live from the Fox Sports Radio Studios.

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Speaker 1: Coming up next, a big double shot of Caitlyn Clark

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Speaker 1: out of the All Star Game. But way do we

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Speaker 1: tell you what happened earlier today with her Angel Reese

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Speaker 1: and about forty other players. That's next, right here, Jason

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Speaker 1: and Mike Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports Radio, The Jason

704
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Speaker 1: Smith Show with my best friend Mike Harmon Yo a

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Speaker 1: double shot of big stories as we get set for

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Speaker 1: the w NBA All Star Game this weekend, which unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: will be played without Caitlyn Clark. The news comes out

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Speaker 1: today her groin injury going to keep her out of

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Speaker 1: all activities. She said she's looking forward to coaching and

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Speaker 1: helping her team win. Look, we mentioned this last night.

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Speaker 1: If she can't play, it's a huge nightmare for the WNBA.

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Speaker 1: You know, they were looking to this event to really

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Speaker 1: second time hard launch Caitlyn Clark and get all the

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Speaker 1: haters and the naysayers and all the jealousy people on

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Speaker 1: board to go. You see how it's her league, she's

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Speaker 1: the star. She's gonna help all of us. When you

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Speaker 1: see something like that on display in front of you

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Speaker 1: and on national TV. Okay, I think even the most

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Speaker 1: staunches of haters would say, all right, I get it,

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Speaker 1: I get this. Whatever this jealousy we had with Katelon Clark,

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Speaker 1: we have to just let it go. I understand. Now

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Speaker 1: everything is good and this was gonna be that event, right,

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Speaker 1: you know, back home Caitlin Clark three point contest, All

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Speaker 1: Star Game great, and now she's not even gonna play.

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Speaker 1: This is an absolute nightmare for the WNBA.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a difficult proposition where you're thinking you get

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Speaker 3: the launch on Friday from the three point shootout into Saturday.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure she would have been miked up for the

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Speaker 3: three point shootout as well, maybe get a little Clayton

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Speaker 3: Shaw kind of moment out of that, and then into

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Speaker 3: Saturday's big marquee event. It's curious because Christine Brennan, who

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Speaker 3: has a book out on Caitlyn Clark, had up on

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Speaker 3: our Twitter feed Jason a poll that was conducted by

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Speaker 3: the Athletic asking who will be the face of the

735
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Speaker 3: WNBA in five years? Now thirty nine respondents, so it

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Speaker 3: is statistically valid, but still a small percentage of players overall.

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Speaker 3: Caitlan Clark is the leader. But would you guess how

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Speaker 3: what her percentage is as the lead?

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Speaker 1: Oh, I would say she's got to be at least

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Speaker 1: fifty percent. If there's a bunch of people, I would

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Speaker 1: say she got fifty percent of the vote.

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Speaker 3: Fifty three point eight, okay, followed by Juju Watkins, who

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Speaker 3: will miss most of the next year off an injury.

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Speaker 1: She's not even in the league yet people want to

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00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 1: vote for Juju Watkins like that? How that's the hate

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Speaker 1: of Caitlin Clark. She's not even in the league. But

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Speaker 1: I want to say Juju Watkins.

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Speaker 3: Well, but you know, you wonder if we always love

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Speaker 3: a new shiny toy, next shiny superstar to come through pagebackers. Third,

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Speaker 3: Oh boy, hey man, Caitlin Clark's already had a four

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Speaker 3: year run at this point.

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Speaker 1: But Caitlin Clark's already shown to be unlike any women's

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Speaker 1: basketball player in the history of the game, right, I mean.

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Speaker 3: No, I get it. I'm just playing Devil's advocate to

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Speaker 3: page backers. Third and fourteen point one, Angel Reese at

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Speaker 3: six point four, Agent Wilson at three point eight, and

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Speaker 3: then other was three point eight percent. That was not

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Speaker 3: the most interesting tweet of the night, because I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: derail you for a brief moment here before we get

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Speaker 3: back to Caitlyn Clark Park.

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Speaker 1: Two.

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Speaker 3: This comes from at Spider Mitchell. Okay, just found out

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Speaker 3: Pete crow Armstrong was on the Mets. Lol, I'm sick, boy,

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Speaker 3: respond yeah, yeah, yeah, and not only that, hey, not

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Speaker 3: not only that, Spider, but yeah, I know, well you

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Speaker 3: were playing basketball in Utah.

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Speaker 1: You know, we made that trade and we had Hovey

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Speaker 1: Bayaz too, who also was an All Star this year,

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Speaker 1: and we made the trade Baias for PCA and we

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Speaker 1: have neither of them now, So there's that. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: you know I love Spider Mitchell being a being a

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Speaker 1: Mets fan. Oh my goodness, yeah, that peek Crow guy's

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Speaker 1: getting an MVP in the national Legunna have to sit

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Speaker 1: there and watch that.

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Speaker 3: My god, didn't you love his when he looked all

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Speaker 3: the part and then some do?

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Speaker 1: No? No, I didn't love that at all. I don't

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Speaker 1: love anything with pekrow Armstrong. I don't love anything about it.

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Speaker 1: He's a cub.

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Speaker 3: How much do you think I hate it? Like I'm conflicted.

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Speaker 1: I like your misery.

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Speaker 3: But now he's a cub.

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Speaker 1: But you've seen good players that we gave him there.

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Speaker 1: We said, oh yeah, for a half season of hobby Bye,

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Speaker 1: here's our best prospect. Wait, what the hell are you

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Speaker 1: talking about. No one gives up their best prospect for

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Speaker 1: half a year of a guy that, hey, albe it

788
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Speaker 1: is pretty good. No one gives up their best prospect

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Speaker 1: for none. We'll do it.

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Speaker 3: You see how I saw launched the second half of

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Speaker 3: the baseball season right there?

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Speaker 1: Look at me. Now, look now before you get to

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Speaker 1: part two of Kayla Clark. Look, the thing is is

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00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: that if she can't being part of the game. She's

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Speaker 1: got to be not coaching. She's got to be on

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Speaker 1: the broadcast three point contest, on the broadcast, on the

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Speaker 1: broadcast the entire game. Right at least she gets eyeballs

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Speaker 1: to her sport more than any other star does in

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Speaker 1: any sport. So yeah, hey, oh, she's gonna be doing

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Speaker 1: the game one hundred. Bring her in. She needs to

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Speaker 1: be that third or fourth person. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: what kind of booth they have set up for the

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Speaker 1: for the game, but she's got to be on the

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Speaker 1: on the broadcast the entire time. It'd be nice to

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00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: see her coaching. You know, she's gonna step on the

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00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: floor and look like she's the actual coach. But uh yeah,

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00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: you got to get people the TV and her actually

808
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,439
Speaker 1: being on the broadcast. That might get some more people.

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00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 3: We've seen her out there snarky as hell. Hey, one thing,

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00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 3: I mean, I know she's not able to play in

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Speaker 3: the game. Can they do really quickly a makeshift competition

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00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 3: to where it's a passing acumen passes and stuff. I'm

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00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 3: trying to get her involved. Man, who's the best bounce

814
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 3: that she's sitting in a chair? Bounce passing hey or

815
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 3: whatever we need to do. But yeah, need to have

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Speaker 3: her on the telecast as much you can, and give

817
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Speaker 3: her a long leash in terms of her snark, her language,

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Speaker 3: and make sure that you're asking the hard questions about

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Speaker 3: officiating in other things.

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Speaker 1: So, another big story involving Kaitlyn Clark and Paige Beckers

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Speaker 1: and Angel Reese. More than forty WNBA players gathered Thursday

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Speaker 1: for a meeting between the WNBA Players Association and the

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Speaker 1: league to discuss the new collective bargaining agreement. Right, it's

824
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Speaker 1: the largest in person player turnout in union history during

825
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 1: CBA talks. Now there was. It lasts for a couple hours,

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Speaker 1: there was no resolution. The players didn't seem thrilled. It's

827
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Speaker 1: the beginning of things, though, so we'll wait and see.

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Speaker 1: But what I really want to see is this. What

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Speaker 1: I really want is this. I want Caitlyn Clark, at

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Speaker 1: this meeting with all the players around it, to say, Okay,

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Speaker 1: one quick thing before you go. I want to say something,

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00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: yest Kaitlyn Clark. Go ahead, So now you all love me? Right? Oh?

833
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: Now you love me? Oh? But up up until today,

834
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 1: it's been Oh, Caitlyn is overrated Caitlyn get gets attention

835
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,959
Speaker 1: that she shouldn't get. We don't like Caitlyn. We don't

836
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: like the rules here. I don't care that she got

837
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: us all the time. We don't like it. Oh but

838
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 1: now here comes the CBA, and Caitlyn is the most popular,

839
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: and anything you're getting in the CBA you're getting because

840
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: of Caitlyn Clark. I want to go, but now you

841
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: like me? Right, I'm gonna help because I want I

842
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: want things for this league. But I want you all

843
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: to look at me and go. Now you want my help?

844
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: Now you love me? Now you think I'm awesome? You

845
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: could get some people. I would look at every person

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Speaker 1: in the in the room. I'd look at Angel Reese,

847
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 1: I'd look at Cheryl Reeve, I look at everybody. Oh

848
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: now you like me though, right, I need you to

849
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: look at me and tell me you like me because

850
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: you need me right now, you need me right? Because

851
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: really that would be so fulfilled. I mean, and me

852
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 1: being Kaitlyn Clark, that would be so fulfilling for me

853
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: to say that to people that I know have been

854
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: the been the people that that have pushed the haters

855
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: against me since I came into the league. When all

856
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: I'm coming and doing is trying to play basketball and

857
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: grow the league and and and live my life. I'd

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Speaker 1: love for her to do that.

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Speaker 3: The last CBA was signed janu fourteen, twenty twenty, was

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Speaker 3: supposed to be for eight years through twenty twenty seven,

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Speaker 3: and then they opted out and now they're in negotiations. Uh.

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Speaker 3: I would like just the one liner of who was

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Speaker 3: in that room? How much different is it now? Who

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Speaker 3: was there? Who was there? Who was there?

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Speaker 1: Oh but you love me now though you didn't want

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Speaker 1: me for the Olympic TV you knew i'd be Oh,

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Speaker 1: but now you want me front and center on things right, Okay,

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Speaker 1: just got to admit that. That's all I want you to.

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Speaker 1: Just admit it. Just admit it. Exit out about a

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Speaker 1: Fresca exit Swollen Dome. The Jason Smith Show with my

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Speaker 1: best friend Mike Harbon Coming up next, my buddy Ben Malley.

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