Speaker 1: Crime. Hello Social sleuths, everyone, Welcome back to the Real
Speaker 1: Time Crime. I'm your host Leo Lamar, and today we're
Speaker 1: gonna be discussing a local l a crime the Lane
Speaker 1: Maxwell again Lawrence smith Fields, and we'll probably get to
Speaker 1: a voicemail maybe this time we promised you and it
Speaker 1: just never happened. But we will get to it. But
Speaker 1: first a quick announcement and possibly a crime. My regular
Speaker 1: co host Teddy Mellencamp, who you know and love, is
Speaker 1: on vacation and didn't take us Dmitri. How do we
Speaker 1: feel about this? I'd like to say that I'm surprised,
Speaker 1: but I'm not. This is yeahs Teddy. Yeah. Ever since
Speaker 1: you lost that Fannie pack, I feel like she's become
Speaker 1: someone else and who knows, maybe her vacation is back
Speaker 1: there looking for it because she seemed oddly attached to it.
Speaker 1: But wow, she's getting too close to the case. Ye
Speaker 1: she moving back to Asben to track down her Fannie back.
Speaker 1: Oh boy? Okay, well, Teddy, we miss you, but lucky
Speaker 1: for us, we have a guest host today who's a
Speaker 1: dear friend of mine and absolutely hilarious human being. You
Speaker 1: may know him from his one hour Comedy Central special
Speaker 1: Don't Be Yourself, a Comedy Central half hour special from
Speaker 1: Conan six times and probably more than that by now.
Speaker 1: The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon, Late Show with Stephen
Speaker 1: Colbert showtimes Live at south By Southwest. Can you hear that?
Speaker 1: I'm dying slowly? Every credit inside a shomer. I think
Speaker 1: I've forgotten how to read at this point. Um, it's
Speaker 1: my friend, Mark Norman. Mark, welcome to Real Time Crime.
Speaker 1: I'm exhausted after reading just one third of your credits. Hey,
Speaker 1: good to be here, Thanks for having me, and uh boy,
Speaker 1: I wish you were my mom. She doesn't know any
Speaker 1: of those credits, so that's nice to hear in great eyebrows. Wow, Mark,
Speaker 1: I am actually your mom. Lucky you and I have
Speaker 1: photos of you clipped out and put on my refrigerator.
Speaker 1: Is that a crime? No? No, it's very nice. Thank
Speaker 1: you remind you to not eat? Yeah, this is my intervention.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I have been on the bounce recently. Okay,
Speaker 1: just can we set up this scenario? Just what people
Speaker 1: can't see right now? Ye? Sunglasses on? He's clearly in
Speaker 1: a hotel room. I assume otherwise he has modeled his
Speaker 1: home after a hotel sheets are in disarrayed behind him,
Speaker 1: like something has gone on. It's it's I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: it's it's relatively morning time and he's got sunglasses on,
Speaker 1: so what's up. It looks like he just committed a crime,
Speaker 1: like you're you're you're at a ramada in looking at
Speaker 1: a nineties cube television wondering where it all went wrong.
Speaker 1: The only crime is I stole a woman's heart. No, no,
Speaker 1: it's just just one woman from the look of that
Speaker 1: hotel room, one woman and two men. But yeah, this
Speaker 1: is the road, folks. You know, I'm on the road
Speaker 1: arm in Syracuse. It's twelve degrees outside. I've already masturbated
Speaker 1: six times, so it's nice to be on a zoom. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got to eight this morning right before this. Well
Speaker 1: send me the video, I will um. I'm so glad
Speaker 1: you knew I filmed it. That's another crime that Mark
Speaker 1: actually has a camera in my apartment somewhere. I assume
Speaker 1: you're on only fans. Every every lady, I know it
Speaker 1: is on only fans. They're cleaning up. I'm not. I'm
Speaker 1: actually on only feet. Turned out I didn't have any fans.
Speaker 1: Those are huge. Yeah, I got quite a huff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: wait till you see this big toe. Um, oh boy,
Speaker 1: it could take out a tiny village. So Mark, they're
Speaker 1: asking how we know each other. I got pieced it together,
Speaker 1: but go ahead. I just loved Marge hotel room. Yes here, No,
Speaker 1: it was actually the maid It's tip with the candlestick
Speaker 1: in the library on the way to put it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we met what six years ago? Yeah? Years ago on
Speaker 1: the comedy scene, and everybody just kind of intermingles. It
Speaker 1: happens wor at the story the improv I'll show who knows.
Speaker 1: I think it was something way less glamorous. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to think back into my comedy spank Bank, and I
Speaker 1: think we were in the East Village. That's the name
Speaker 1: of Louie's new album. By the way. Yeah, oh I
Speaker 1: thought you met Louis Anderson. Alright, oh no, geez, alright, alright,
Speaker 1: p you know you mean louise E K Yeah, Bank,
Speaker 1: that was right there. Um, yeah, you're right, you're right,
Speaker 1: my bad. I yeah, I think we met at a show.
Speaker 1: I feel like, okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna share this
Speaker 1: and if you hate me after take a number, you know.
Speaker 1: So We were at a very old show in I
Speaker 1: feel like it was like seventh and St. Seventh and
Speaker 1: Avenue A or first Niagara. Yes, it was at Niagara.
Speaker 1: And the entire audience didn't speak English. Yeah, that's kind.
Speaker 1: And you were running your set that you were doing
Speaker 1: the next night for like Fallon or Colbert or something,
Speaker 1: and and we everyone was bombing yeah, because they literally
Speaker 1: didn't understand. And then you got to Colbert fall In
Speaker 1: the next night and turns out those foreign tourists for
Speaker 1: the audience exactly. I remember seeing you, remember thinking this
Speaker 1: is the first time I've seen an attractive Jew. I
Speaker 1: was blown away. Thank you so much, no kidding? Yeah,
Speaker 1: um no, Actually, Mark, you're not Jewish. That's the crime.
Speaker 1: I wish all my heroes are. So let's get to
Speaker 1: the bottom of this. So I'm sure people want to
Speaker 1: know by now, with the tension that's in the air,
Speaker 1: did you guys ever hook up O never by coast?
Speaker 1: You know, I know that sounds crazy, but um, if
Speaker 1: you can believe this, Mark respected me. Yeah, I know
Speaker 1: it is rare. I mean, um yeah, anyway, I guess
Speaker 1: was what my guess was that you hadn't because if
Speaker 1: you had, then for you to say, would you come
Speaker 1: on my podcast? I think he would be a little
Speaker 1: more hesitant than sure. So she's a good egg. You know,
Speaker 1: she's a funny lady and I'm I'm down. It's always
Speaker 1: good to see her. Oh, Mark love you. Okay, Wait, Mark,
Speaker 1: you know, I think some of the fans might want
Speaker 1: to know more about you because they're used to just
Speaker 1: me and Teddy rambling on about nothing. So you don't
Speaker 1: look like Teddy. You're not Teddy. Um, You're Mark Mormon,
Speaker 1: a legend, a comedy king. How did you get involved
Speaker 1: in comedy? Did you always want to be a stand
Speaker 1: up comedian? Let's just start from the basics. Uh, well,
Speaker 1: you know it's boring, old story. Rudderless guy, loser lived
Speaker 1: in a house with five guys in Louisiana. You know
Speaker 1: you lived in a house with hamburgers. Yeah, exactly, And
Speaker 1: uh it was rough. And then I just started doing
Speaker 1: open mics out of just sheer loserdom. I had nothing
Speaker 1: going to want to kill me. Yeah, and I just
Speaker 1: fell in love with it. And I always love comedy,
Speaker 1: but being a comedian was like being an astronaut. But
Speaker 1: I just said kind of moving to New York what
Speaker 1: else is going on? I got nothing to lose, and
Speaker 1: I just became immersed in the comedy scene and that
Speaker 1: was it. I found my colleague. You really put the
Speaker 1: mers in immersed. Yeah, exactly. You are male nurse of
Speaker 1: the profession, like the word for a Fannie Pack Commerci
Speaker 1: love that for you. Um. I also love that you
Speaker 1: compared stand up comedy to being an asteroid. Oh man,
Speaker 1: I mean same skill set honestly to get into. Very
Speaker 1: hard to be good at, sure, but yeah, I never
Speaker 1: thought I can do it. But you know, you just
Speaker 1: take it one step at a time and you get there.
Speaker 1: And here we are now. I'm an hotel room in
Speaker 1: Syracuse living the dream. That's right. So just to tie
Speaker 1: it into the show, have you ever committed a crime?
Speaker 1: And if so, what was it? Many? Many? I have
Speaker 1: a I'm a kleptomaniac. Actually, I have a shoplifting from
Speaker 1: I'm like a mail went on a rider. Go on,
Speaker 1: uh yeah, I just get a kick out of it.
Speaker 1: I don't even need half of it. I steal like
Speaker 1: a Snickers bar. I'd never steal from someone's home or
Speaker 1: anything like that, but corporations and like a seven eleven.
Speaker 1: I'm the airport, I'm sticky fingers. Norman don't here. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, you're really good at comedy. Robin hood over here. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: just handing out half eating Snickers bars on the street
Speaker 1: to people. Yeah, there you go. Should we have the
Speaker 1: hotel check your luggage before you leave? No, please don't.
Speaker 1: It's full of towels and shampoos. And I got a
Speaker 1: lamp in there. So yeah, how was the rope was it?
Speaker 1: Was it nice enough to steal? Yeah? The robe? I
Speaker 1: got a million robes at home. I love the robe.
Speaker 1: I just can't especially the airport where they're screwing you
Speaker 1: so hard on like a nineteen dollar sandwich. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I gotta take this wrap. It's really good of the people.
Speaker 1: I thought you're gonna say nineteen dollar flight, and I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I also flight scary um. And I'd
Speaker 1: like to thank one of our sponsors here today. So okay, wait,
Speaker 1: have you ever gone to jail a few times? Yeah,
Speaker 1: to visit people or like just conjugal visits, drunk tanks.
Speaker 1: You know, you've got to sleep in jail overnight. And
Speaker 1: then one or I got caught peeing at a waffle house.
Speaker 1: In the waffle house and a cop walked in and
Speaker 1: saw me, So I went to jail. And when you
Speaker 1: say peeing in the waffle house, you mean not in
Speaker 1: the bathroom. Yeah, exactly. That was so good the pancakes.
Speaker 1: I love that you said. But a cop walked in
Speaker 1: and caught me, Like like, that's the only thing that
Speaker 1: could have happened that would have gotten you in trouble.
Speaker 1: Not anybody else eating or the people that walked that
Speaker 1: worked at the waffle house. Well, they don't care. Those waiters.
Speaker 1: They could give two ships, you know literally, Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: being in the waffle house. Had to go to jail
Speaker 1: for that one. A lot of peeing in public, a
Speaker 1: lot of drunken public stuff like that, d y, too
Speaker 1: much booze. But murderous dismemberment. We're clean. Yeah, no, no murder, no,
Speaker 1: no hurting, no uh physical harm, no murder. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for your time, Mark, But we're gonna have
Speaker 1: to look for a new guest house. Thank you. So
Speaker 1: uh yeah, one day I'll run over a kid or something,
Speaker 1: but who knows. Yeah, okay, wait, okay, But I love
Speaker 1: the idea of a drunk tank where they just take
Speaker 1: care of you. They're just picking a blanket and give
Speaker 1: you a burrito. It's pretty nice. Yeah, I mean they
Speaker 1: kind of mean to you. They throw you in a
Speaker 1: cell and yell at you. But okay, now you're turning
Speaker 1: me on, Mark watch good Time? Oh boy, okay, Mark?
Speaker 1: Do you do you like any true crime cases? Do
Speaker 1: you have any true crime cases that are do you
Speaker 1: find crazy or funny or weird? I think they're all
Speaker 1: pretty entertaining. I mean I watched all the Netflix talks,
Speaker 1: the the what is it? The Sunshine Killer? Sunch no,
Speaker 1: oh ship, what's that guy? Golden Gate? Golden Gate, that
Speaker 1: one's great. I love the zodiac. I love the one.
Speaker 1: What's the guy? You mean the documentary is not the
Speaker 1: actual murderers, right, Yeah, but you know they're fascinating, so
Speaker 1: many good ones. Mark, what's your zodiac? I think I'm
Speaker 1: a virgo. The start acting like one. Oh all right,
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means. I don't know what
Speaker 1: that means. Okay, what are you a Doris? Dar you?
Speaker 1: I'm a Gemini? Oh nice, that's a good Galileo walked
Speaker 1: so that basic women in l A could run. I'm
Speaker 1: so I don't know anything about that. Yeah. I love
Speaker 1: when people blame stuff on their on their zodiac sign.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm I'm a aquarious, so we uh, you
Speaker 1: know we're allowed to be. So you're like, all right,
Speaker 1: right in Dmitri, didn't you post on your Instagram something thing, story,
Speaker 1: something story, something about like the zodiac signs that match
Speaker 1: with every serial killer and most of them were Gemini. Yeah?
Speaker 1: I actually, actually I didn't post that. I sent it
Speaker 1: to you. Um yeah, I was proud that there were
Speaker 1: no leos on there. Did I just hurt your feelings
Speaker 1: that I forgot a one on one interaction? No, I'm fine.
Speaker 1: I just wanted it. I didn't want people know perusing
Speaker 1: my social media going all the way back looking for it.
Speaker 1: It's not there. I heard the I heard the whimper
Speaker 1: when you first started that sentence. I was thinking, that's so.
Speaker 1: I think, alright, so get back, all right. I think
Speaker 1: it's time for us to get into some hot topics
Speaker 1: for today. And look, I don't think that these cases
Speaker 1: are like when we talk about Galene Maxwell Mark. I
Speaker 1: just expect you to be you. That's all I'm gonna say.
Speaker 1: I'm a fan. She doesn't a recruiter. Okay, but we're
Speaker 1: gonna take a quick break before we get into hot
Speaker 1: topics and welcome back to real time crime. We're gonna
Speaker 1: get into our hot topics. We're gonna start off first
Speaker 1: with a woman who was stabbed to death while working
Speaker 1: at luxury l a furniture store in a very random
Speaker 1: daytime and attack. Oh my god, this story is so tragic.
Speaker 1: We all heard about this last week. A twenty four
Speaker 1: year old woman was stabbed while working at a high
Speaker 1: end furniture store in Hancock Park. Brianna cup For of
Speaker 1: the Pacific Palisades was killed Thursday by a man who
Speaker 1: was unknown, but we've actually tracked him down. We'll get
Speaker 1: to that in just a second. And he entered the
Speaker 1: store Croft House on North Leabria, stabbed her and she
Speaker 1: was found dead by a customer who reported this to
Speaker 1: the police. The suspect has now been named, and he
Speaker 1: fled through a back door after the attack. Surveillance footage
Speaker 1: obtained by multiple local news outlets showed him calmly walking
Speaker 1: northbound down an alley behind the crime scene. This murder
Speaker 1: is very tragic. She was a graduate of both Brentwood
Speaker 1: High School and the University of Miami, and you know
Speaker 1: she had been working toward a degree in architectural design
Speaker 1: at u c l A. Riley Ray, the co owner
Speaker 1: of the Croft House Furniture store, told the l A
Speaker 1: Times that Kupfer had actually been working at the business
Speaker 1: for just over a year before the attack. She was
Speaker 1: an intelligent, poised, well like woman and saying that she
Speaker 1: was mature beyond her years. So they found an assault
Speaker 1: weapon at the three block of North Obray around one
Speaker 1: pm local time on Thursday, according to the l A
Speaker 1: p D. And the suspect and the victim allegedly were
Speaker 1: not known to each other prior to the attack, so
Speaker 1: this does seem pretty random. And also Um told the
Speaker 1: CBS l A the suspect had entered a chiropractic practice
Speaker 1: literally right before he walked into Croft House and just
Speaker 1: stabbed this woman. Okay, so we know now that thirty
Speaker 1: one year old Seawan Laval's Smith was taken into custody
Speaker 1: in Pasadena on Wednesday, and Pasadena police say Smith was
Speaker 1: spotted by a citizen who recognized him from photos. Actually
Speaker 1: was a bartender Um who recognized him from photos that
Speaker 1: were distributed around, and officers found him on a bus
Speaker 1: bench arrested him and the bartender at this Pasadena restaurant
Speaker 1: recognized him um for using the bathroom. So this guy
Speaker 1: is just going into lots of local businesses. Make people
Speaker 1: use the bathroom when they go in a restaurant, they
Speaker 1: don't the restaurant. Good point. Good point. My first question
Speaker 1: was this guy wearing a mask? I hope. So what's
Speaker 1: interesting is that you said he fled, but as you
Speaker 1: pointed out, he literally did this, walked out the back door,
Speaker 1: casually walked down the alley, and then my understanding is
Speaker 1: he went to a store and returned something like thirty
Speaker 1: minutes later. But to me, we're gonna get to them
Speaker 1: to a second. But also this arrest comes after police
Speaker 1: announced two our reward for any information of his whereabouts suspicious.
Speaker 1: To me, he was considered armed, in dangerous And then
Speaker 1: apparently he had been arrested a dozen times, starting in
Speaker 1: in South Carolina, and he's also arrested for a misdemeanor
Speaker 1: in Covina. I guess he had possession of stolen property
Speaker 1: in which he was cited and later released. And Dmitri,
Speaker 1: you apparently actually have a connection to this story. I do.
Speaker 1: The the friend of mine is the one that owns
Speaker 1: the chiropractic business next door where he had gone in first.
Speaker 1: So apparently he went in there before that happened, and
Speaker 1: he asked the receptionist a few questions, random questions sort
Speaker 1: of like what kind of work they did there? And
Speaker 1: they were actually, um, it was relatively. It wasn't like
Speaker 1: he seemed confused or this, and that he was asking
Speaker 1: relatively intelligent questions. And then he left. Um, what what
Speaker 1: do you say, relatively? Is the earth flat or round?
Speaker 1: Do you have not philosophical no? Um, I forget. He
Speaker 1: actually asked if they do a certain sort of chiropractic
Speaker 1: work or certain orthopedic work there. Okay, So so an
Speaker 1: intelligent question. That's he impertinent to the business, not something random, right,
Speaker 1: And so my understand my thinking here is that he
Speaker 1: went in there, um, and luckily he heard my friend
Speaker 1: who owns the business in the back, like I guess
Speaker 1: she made some noise or called out or something, and
Speaker 1: then he ended up leaving, if you were to think
Speaker 1: about it, because the next next door then he went
Speaker 1: next door. I don't know if he was waiting to
Speaker 1: go in there to to to kill um in the
Speaker 1: furniture store for a reason, or if he was just
Speaker 1: looking for someone that was alone, so he didn't even
Speaker 1: steal anything, right, So it's just like randomly went into
Speaker 1: a store just to kill someone. Yeah, and so my
Speaker 1: my thinking is it very well could have and they
Speaker 1: were very shaken obviously next door at the office, because
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows if if he thought that receptionist
Speaker 1: was there a loan, it very well could have been there.
Speaker 1: Um doesn't crazy, you know. Obviously it's sad either way.
Speaker 1: I think the thing that's so shocking is that it
Speaker 1: seems like there's just no motive at all. Also, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say this, I am disturbed by this case, specifically
Speaker 1: by the number of men who sent me this case
Speaker 1: thinking I'd be interested in it because she was hot. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought about sending it to you. No, but it's true.
Speaker 1: If the woman is attractive, the story gets elevated a lot.
Speaker 1: I think it's a weird kind of picking and choosing
Speaker 1: we do. If she was like an overweight lady with
Speaker 1: an eyepatch, we'd go, what a shame, and that we
Speaker 1: move on. But if she's hot, it gets a lot
Speaker 1: more pressed. Well, I think that's what everyone was talking
Speaker 1: about with the Gappy Potito case. Is that a lot
Speaker 1: of people were alarmed that the only they felt like
Speaker 1: the only reason it got so much attention was that
Speaker 1: she was a beautiful blonde woman, right right, Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: So now that the suspect been caught, where do we
Speaker 1: think this goes? M M this this? You know, I
Speaker 1: I think that maybe this is like a mental illness situation,
Speaker 1: mental illness like with great responsibility, with great power comes
Speaker 1: the great responsibility, like either you become a comedian with it,
Speaker 1: or you know, I mean, listen, if if what you
Speaker 1: were saying, mark the chance of him rehabbing or rehabilitating
Speaker 1: when you do something like that in that cold of
Speaker 1: blood and it does literally we have camera footage that
Speaker 1: it doesn't even FaZe him. Yeah, there was no remorse,
Speaker 1: There was no oh my god, what have I done?
Speaker 1: There was no I know, I see that as a
Speaker 1: different type that than someone that could possibly be rehabilitated.
Speaker 1: Dmitri are sure they have the right person. I mean,
Speaker 1: I haven't been there, but I feel I mean, they're pretty,
Speaker 1: they seem pretty confident, and it seems to match. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think this is obviously again super devastating. So sorry
Speaker 1: to her friends and family. This is absolutely tragic and Yeah,
Speaker 1: this guy should be behind bars for life. All right,
Speaker 1: let's get into glade. Max Well, I honestly can't wait
Speaker 1: to stop talking about her. But our faive just Lane, Um,
Speaker 1: I mean Galane. I'm gonna say jis Lane because I
Speaker 1: can't not thank you. So she's gonna end her fight
Speaker 1: to keep eight John Doe secret. The court is going
Speaker 1: to decide whether the name should be unsealed. I mean
Speaker 1: just sounds like she doesn't want to get suicideed. Who
Speaker 1: do you think the eighth John does are? And how
Speaker 1: many of them are still alive? There's definitely more than eight,
Speaker 1: is my opinion. I mean, for real, you really think
Speaker 1: there's only eight people that that we're part of this
Speaker 1: entire island? And okay, how many Clinton's. It's a wide variety.
Speaker 1: We've got Clinton, we got Prince Andrew, We've had Chelsea
Speaker 1: Handler on that plane. It's it's a real grab bag
Speaker 1: of celebrities, like a mad lives. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: want to yeah, I don't want to upset anyone, but
Speaker 1: I did hear Santa was on there? Oh? No, of
Speaker 1: course the Jewish person would tread to burn sa Yeah,
Speaker 1: the royal family, naughty children, the royal family is not
Speaker 1: even waiting right there, just rolling over on on the prince,
Speaker 1: so basically stripped him of his titles and his whatever.
Speaker 1: And they're like, hey, good luck with all that. He
Speaker 1: has to fight the lawsuit as a private citizen. That's
Speaker 1: they really, they just immediately stripped him. That's pretty crazy.
Speaker 1: I thought they'd fight for one of their own na
Speaker 1: the style. It's so much hr and PR with them.
Speaker 1: They gotta just they gotta go with the flow r
Speaker 1: pr e er. Yeah, it's the only o there. All right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's all I got our word, Oh god, treat okay? Alright.
Speaker 1: So so here's what's going on, um alright. The documents
Speaker 1: containing the names of the a John does or can
Speaker 1: acted to a twenty fifteen deep deep comation defamation am
Speaker 1: I okay case brought by Virginia Roberts, Garraffe, Joffrey Shop.
Speaker 1: You know, I looked this up ahead of time, Dmitri.
Speaker 1: The documents containing the names of the eight John does
Speaker 1: are connected to a twenty fifteen defamation case brought by
Speaker 1: Virginia Roberts to Frey, who claimed Epstein sexually abused her
Speaker 1: while she was a miner, and that Maxwell aided in
Speaker 1: the abuse case was settled in twenty seventeen. Maxwell sixty
Speaker 1: paces up to sixty five years in prison after she
Speaker 1: was recently found guilty in a New York federal court
Speaker 1: on five federal charges, including sex trafficking of a minor.
Speaker 1: The charges were related to her role in Epstein's sexual
Speaker 1: abuse of minor girls between two thousand four. After careful
Speaker 1: review of the detailed objections submitted by non party does
Speaker 1: seventeen fifty one, put are those numbers mean? Count's like, all,
Speaker 1: I'm so curious about all the number isn't Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: not eight if we're going up to huf one? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is the whole island right here. Um. She doesn't
Speaker 1: want to address the objections any further. Maxwell's attorney row
Speaker 1: each of the listed does has counsel who have ably
Speaker 1: asserted their own respective privacy rights, and she's going to
Speaker 1: leave it up to the court to conduct the appropriate review.
Speaker 1: This is her just like just flicking her middle finger up.
Speaker 1: But everyone right, Yeah, I think so. The ultimate middle
Speaker 1: finger would be that say those names though, yes, yes too,
Speaker 1: it's too risky. What a bummer for her? Well, doesn't
Speaker 1: she know that they're gonna they're gonna announce the names,
Speaker 1: do you think so? Do you think the judge will
Speaker 1: release the names? Well, well, if the judge doesn't get suicided,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it would be crazy, right, I
Speaker 1: think it would be crazy if he didn't like she's
Speaker 1: not She's definitely got you know, a good chunk of
Speaker 1: the blame is to what went on, But that doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that other people shouldn't be guilty as well. Um, well,
Speaker 1: let's get to part two of this story, where I'm
Speaker 1: not so sure she's gonna stay guilty forever. I think
Speaker 1: she's trying to bring everyone else down and just get
Speaker 1: out of jail and then probably joined Bezos and Elon
Speaker 1: Musk in space. That's my best guess, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she went from just a regular airplane to a spaceship,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure the girls in there will be great.
Speaker 1: But the sources say intruding young aliens. Yeah, they've moved
Speaker 1: on from Earth links. They're like, wow, Harshen looks so young. Okay,
Speaker 1: so all right. Prince Andrew likely dated Glen friend and
Speaker 1: ex Royal guard claims so. According to friends and a
Speaker 1: Formal Royal production officer, they claimed that Jeffrey Epstein's Madam
Speaker 1: was constantly in and out of Buckingham Palace, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure he was also in and out of her former
Speaker 1: allegedly former palace cop Paul Page What a Name? Paul
Speaker 1: Paige Okay said in a new documentary that Maxwell became
Speaker 1: a regular visitor from two thousand one. Theory Andrew and
Speaker 1: his sex accuser were photographed in Maxwell's London home. How
Speaker 1: come they didn't moved into Florida in the first place.
Speaker 1: New York is not the right place to live if
Speaker 1: you want to commit ms demeters, go to Florida like
Speaker 1: everyone else. Yeah, well, actually has a place there. Have
Speaker 1: you been, Mark? I went and visited. I did a
Speaker 1: gig down there, and you gotta go see it. You know,
Speaker 1: you got hired for a private gig. Exactly was it
Speaker 1: an island? Would you say? Or? Um? Did they ask
Speaker 1: you to do clean comedy? Because he said, if I
Speaker 1: can pee in the kitchen, we have a deal. But
Speaker 1: I'll say I'm I'm happy that she dropped that case
Speaker 1: because remember, I had a problem. I have a problem
Speaker 1: with all these cases where you know people that the
Speaker 1: the other reports of who else was involved don't come
Speaker 1: out when people go ahead and they die, or they
Speaker 1: and they don't share. To me, that's that's a missed opportunity,
Speaker 1: Like you said, and they die. It's like you know,
Speaker 1: however it may be. Yeah, I hear you. I assume
Speaker 1: or is everybody in agreement that you'd like to know
Speaker 1: who these people are? Of course? Of course, yeah, we
Speaker 1: need I think we're on a need to know basis
Speaker 1: and where we need to know, yes, exactly. Also just
Speaker 1: a fun little detail here, So apparently Galaine described Andrew
Speaker 1: Prince Andrew as being her friend, not Jeffrey's, and she
Speaker 1: made a specific mention of that, and then also that
Speaker 1: Andrew was known for having fifty or sixty stuffed toys
Speaker 1: on his bed at the palace, and if the bears
Speaker 1: weren't put back in the right order by the maids,
Speaker 1: he would shout and scream and become very effensive. Is
Speaker 1: this when he was a child or as an adult?
Speaker 1: I think this is which lets meet. Now I understand
Speaker 1: more why the royal family was just like go away.
Speaker 1: I think they had of his Yeah, yeah, I like
Speaker 1: the idea of him walking around the palace looking for Pokemon.
Speaker 1: I mean, we talked about the old soul. This guy
Speaker 1: is the other thing where he's just young at heart.
Speaker 1: Jesuise stuffed animals. Get it together, your your royalty. I
Speaker 1: think can you imagine working at the Royal Palace and
Speaker 1: being yelled at by an by an adult for not
Speaker 1: putting stuffed animals back in the right order or place?
Speaker 1: I know, right, I mean, how do you How does
Speaker 1: that not have murderer written all over it? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think they're probably the stuffed animals were a
Speaker 1: little harder, if you know what I mean. They could talk, Christy.
Speaker 1: Could we not put any cameras in any of them?
Speaker 1: I mean, come on? But now well so so. Prince
Speaker 1: Andrew was being sued by Duffrey, who has long claimed
Speaker 1: that Epstein and Maxwell made her have sex with him
Speaker 1: three times, starting when she was just seventeen. And Prince
Speaker 1: Andrew has always denied these allegations. And this is when
Speaker 1: he got stripped of his Royal highness title. And now
Speaker 1: he has to fight the lawsuit as a private citizen.
Speaker 1: Now here's the part that is about to get real murky.
Speaker 1: According to an attorney for Glenn, they filed a motion
Speaker 1: requesting a new trial. The motion is under seal, but
Speaker 1: apparently the letter from her attorney, Bobby Sternheim, requests that
Speaker 1: all documents pertaining to Juror number fifty remain under seal
Speaker 1: until the court rules on the motion. So apparently during
Speaker 1: number fifty came out after the case and after everything
Speaker 1: was sent and done, said that he gave gave multiple
Speaker 1: post trial interviews saying that he had been sexually abused
Speaker 1: as a child. He gave interviews to The Independent Daily
Speaker 1: Mail Reuters as Scottie David. That's his first middle name.
Speaker 1: He said he shared his own story with all the
Speaker 1: fellow jurors during deliberations and that it helped influence their decision.
Speaker 1: Defense attorneys argued in a court filing that the Supreme
Speaker 1: Court has ruled that a defendant is entitled to a
Speaker 1: new trial if a party can show a juror failed
Speaker 1: to answer a material question honestly during jury questioning. The
Speaker 1: parties are still litigating the issue and Nathan will eventually
Speaker 1: return on the motion for a new trial. Literally, it
Speaker 1: feels like Gallaine's team paid this guy. I don't know,
Speaker 1: this is crazy. I like to give a quick shout
Speaker 1: out to um the Queen though, for being like pretty badass. Right,
Speaker 1: She's like a mob Boston, and she's like, oh wait,
Speaker 1: what happened? You're out, like you just cut them from
Speaker 1: the family. Yes queen, um, yes, literal queen in English.
Speaker 1: Say with that that legal document was basically getting at
Speaker 1: what was the gist there? Basically, Yeah, So basically what's
Speaker 1: going to happen is they're probably going to say there
Speaker 1: was a mistrial because this juror went in and tried
Speaker 1: to convince everyone from his POV after being sexually abused
Speaker 1: that she was definitely abuser and swayed the jury. And
Speaker 1: so now they're going to have another trial and drop
Speaker 1: the charges of her being guilty and then have a
Speaker 1: new trial and I'm sure they'll pick the jersey and
Speaker 1: she'll be scott free. Okay, well, got it, well said.
Speaker 1: But that's interesting. If she was holding on to that hope,
Speaker 1: why would she really? I mean, maybe the court will
Speaker 1: just do it in that order anyway, but why say,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to fight who it is anymore? Because
Speaker 1: what happens if those names get released and then there's
Speaker 1: a a follow up trial or maybe that will help
Speaker 1: her in the long run. I think it will help
Speaker 1: her in the long run. I mean I think there's
Speaker 1: going to be a retrial. Yeah, I think so. And
Speaker 1: what if the queen was one of the eight people,
Speaker 1: that would be fun. He'd definitely be the oldest person
Speaker 1: on that island by a mile. M I was, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think Betty White was also there,
Speaker 1: but I was there. And this this is his out,
Speaker 1: you know, Louis, And why is everyone dying? Suddenly? It's
Speaker 1: we're losing. Also, his name is like your name if
Speaker 1: you did like an anagram of it. I know, I
Speaker 1: get that. A lot of like dyslexic people are like, oh,
Speaker 1: I clicked on this because I thought it was Norm.
Speaker 1: Who's this douche? And I'm like, hey, I get it.
Speaker 1: Norm's great, But yeah it is. Yeah, I can't believe
Speaker 1: all these comedy legends are dying and also so young.
Speaker 1: Sixty five Louise sixty six or something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Norm s two. It's crazy. What's going on? I thought
Speaker 1: we're supposed to live longer now I know. I think
Speaker 1: that they're probably just getting on the spaceship. I think
Speaker 1: the chose about Peloton. That's my theory. A pulled to
Speaker 1: Mr bigh So, Tom, Sorry, I don't know what we're saying.
Speaker 1: Meat love died as well. He would do anything for
Speaker 1: love except not dying. Yeah, exercise, I don't know, and
Speaker 1: neat healthy. Yeah yeah, I don't. I don't know what.
Speaker 1: It just feels like all these legends are just hitting
Speaker 1: the Hey, it's kind of a weird feeling. I thought
Speaker 1: earlier today and I was like, God, it feels like, oh,
Speaker 1: the legends are dying now, and this is never happened
Speaker 1: before in history. You know. It's funny. When Betty White died,
Speaker 1: it was like, can you believe it? I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's a hundred years old. She had a great run.
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? Of course she did. Mark,
Speaker 1: that's so insensitive. She was almost a hundred years old.
Speaker 1: Good point, good point, She's right there. I just can't
Speaker 1: believe already Laying is still going. That's the real shocker. Hilarious.
Speaker 1: Good for him, you know it is. He takes care
Speaker 1: of himself, right, He eats right, He doesn't put any
Speaker 1: junk in his body. So yeah, exactly. I just think
Speaker 1: it's odd we're not losing more comedians to the good
Speaker 1: old fashioned white drugs and alcohol. Yeah, what the hell?
Speaker 1: I think it's the booster. No, I'm just kidding. Kidding.
Speaker 1: All right, I think it's time to move on to
Speaker 1: my favorite case of the day. This is a really
Speaker 1: odd story that honestly could have happened to any of us. Okay,
Speaker 1: this woman made more than twenty fake Instagram accounts to
Speaker 1: frame her ex boyfriend as a violent stalker, and she's
Speaker 1: now in jail. I'm like, wait, is this about me? Okay? Uh,
Speaker 1: not that I've done this. Okay. A twenty year old
Speaker 1: British woman is behind bars finally, after she set up
Speaker 1: more than twenty fake Instagram accounts in a bid to
Speaker 1: frame her ex boyfriend as a violent stalker. Courtney Ireland
Speaker 1: Ainsworth of Cheshire, England. Okay, it's like tell me you're
Speaker 1: from the UK without telling me you're from the UK.
Speaker 1: Fish and chips, bad teeth. Okay, Um, I'm like every
Speaker 1: buzzword created as many as thirty fake profiles between July
Speaker 1: and December, according to the Sun. The newspaper reported that
Speaker 1: she used the accounts to send vile messages to herself
Speaker 1: after she split with her former partner Louis Jolly. That's
Speaker 1: a fake name, um, whose last name is Jolly? Yeah?
Speaker 1: All right, I knew it. I knew really, Yeah, Kyle
Speaker 1: jar he was okay um. So she'd been dating him
Speaker 1: for two years, and she apparently made ten police reports
Speaker 1: about her former partner during this time, including a report
Speaker 1: that he sent a message threatening to stab her in
Speaker 1: the chest, and then she involved her friends and family
Speaker 1: in this lie, asking her mom to call the police
Speaker 1: and report the fake threatening messages. Also, she claimed that
Speaker 1: Jolly video and her walking on the street, harassing her friends,
Speaker 1: smashing items in her house, and throwing a brick through
Speaker 1: her grandma's window. Also, just I like that it's videoed
Speaker 1: her walking on the street. It's like, okay um. He
Speaker 1: was arrested six times because of these false allegations, and
Speaker 1: he spent eighty one hours in custody, Not that long
Speaker 1: if you asked me. He also lost his job following
Speaker 1: assault and stocking charges, was placed on home curfew for
Speaker 1: twelve hours a day, had to wear an electronic ankle tag,
Speaker 1: and had a stalking protection order against him, and he maintained, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is insane. He maintained his innocense the entire time.
Speaker 1: It was eventually absolved in the guilt when detectives unraveled
Speaker 1: her web of lives. The detectives requested user data from
Speaker 1: meta a k Instagram revealed at least seventeen accounts were
Speaker 1: created using her email addresses linked to her I P addresses,
Speaker 1: which were connect to her home phone and cell phone.
Speaker 1: And she's finally arrested in convested, convested to perverting the
Speaker 1: court of justice. I like it, wow. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: glad justice was, sir, but I don't. I don't like
Speaker 1: the story because I believe all women. So no, alright,
Speaker 1: I'm joking, but yeah, that's tough. I'm glad justice was, sir.
Speaker 1: This lady's a coke. She's a cooke. I just wish
Speaker 1: someone was this obsessed with me, right, I mean that
Speaker 1: is twenty new followers, and I bet that they were
Speaker 1: actively engaging with her content. Yes, you know, like I'm
Speaker 1: a horror for comments. So if you could just increase
Speaker 1: my following whatever you can do to get it up there,
Speaker 1: and just book some more gigs. If any of my
Speaker 1: exes are listening to this, uh, feel free to just,
Speaker 1: I don't know, make some fake accounts threaten my life
Speaker 1: whatever feels good to you, you know. Yeah again, don't
Speaker 1: take that literally, yeah, please, So I listen. I know,
Speaker 1: I know when you're twenty, Like maybe you're not thinking straight.
Speaker 1: You get all you know, worked up about a relationship.
Speaker 1: But to be honest, and I know we're joking here,
Speaker 1: could you ever see yourself taking those steps? Like that's
Speaker 1: a long way to go to frame somebody and like
Speaker 1: ruin his life strictly because what was it? Because he
Speaker 1: broke up with her? Yeah, that's the new world order.
Speaker 1: Now it's like it's all online. We should just key
Speaker 1: a car. Whatever happened to key in a car? That
Speaker 1: those that are throwing the clothes out of the window,
Speaker 1: those days are over now you go digitally. I feel
Speaker 1: like that'd go viral and TikTok. You saw someone throwing
Speaker 1: clothes out the window? Oh yeah, yeah, that's a classic.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is so crazy. I feel like this
Speaker 1: is definitely not the only case like this. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, this is this is pretty common. I think
Speaker 1: I think this is like one of millions. Definitely, definitely. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I can't believe they haven't figured out that I wanted
Speaker 1: them yet. I know, at please stop messaging me. Oh,
Speaker 1: would do we consider this cat fishing? Oh? I guess so.
Speaker 1: Do you think cat fishing should be a crime? But
Speaker 1: this is catfishing to get someone in trouble, not really
Speaker 1: to get late. Yeah that's not sexy alright, so we
Speaker 1: know when you draw the line mark. Yes, yes, but yes,
Speaker 1: I think if you're impersonating someone else with the tent
Speaker 1: of getting someone in legal trouble or beyond, then yeah,
Speaker 1: I think she's got it like this. It's insane. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's too much. I mean, I'm sure this guy went
Speaker 1: through hell. I mean he had to stay home during
Speaker 1: the pandemic like everyone else. He got some fancy ankle
Speaker 1: jewelry out of it. Yeah, gods everyone lost their job.
Speaker 1: Have some empathy. Um, but maybe he didn't get unemployment
Speaker 1: like everyone else. And here he was in what he
Speaker 1: was in, uh, in custody for eighty one hours, which
Speaker 1: is a couple of your your drunk tanks right there.
Speaker 1: So not that much. It's not fun. Yeah, No, I
Speaker 1: do feel bad for him. This is horrible. She's obviously nutty.
Speaker 1: I think if I grew up with social media, I
Speaker 1: would have been in jail by now. Really, Like, I'm
Speaker 1: really grateful that I didn't have Instagram I was twelve, same, same,
Speaker 1: I feel the same that I'm glad you didn't as well.
Speaker 1: Why what what would you we in jail for if
Speaker 1: you've had Instagram or social media when you were younger?
Speaker 1: Such a good question. Um, probably being too sexy, probably
Speaker 1: being onst um. I don't know. I don't know, Dmitri.
Speaker 1: I God, no one's gonna be able to hear this podcast.
Speaker 1: Huh okay. I think I just think I honestly would
Speaker 1: have not been able to handle any level of being
Speaker 1: bullied on the internet. M H. I hate to say,
Speaker 1: not to bring it down, but like suicide is way
Speaker 1: up anxieties, we have depressions way up, and I think
Speaker 1: it's all social media. Yeah, it has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with the pandemic. I think it's even pre pandemic though. No,
Speaker 1: it's true. I think I can't imagine being a young
Speaker 1: girl girl like already going through puberty, trying an embraces
Speaker 1: dealing with hormones and girls being mean to each other
Speaker 1: and bullying each other in person, then then taking that
Speaker 1: into social media. M hm. When I was a kid,
Speaker 1: every every story was like these female magazines. They put
Speaker 1: these models on the cover and it's with girls heads
Speaker 1: or bar Harby is bad because it's a set of
Speaker 1: unrealistic body standards. But now it's just kim Ka all day,
Speaker 1: Instagram models t working booty stuff and I'm just talking
Speaker 1: about my feed. But I can't even imagine what these
Speaker 1: girls are going through. I remember when I was in
Speaker 1: high school, I got emails from a fake account that
Speaker 1: we're like I want to have sex with Leah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah, and and it was also like she looks
Speaker 1: like a gremlin, but I'd still have sex with her,
Speaker 1: something that was so obviously written by a fourteen year
Speaker 1: old boy, and my parents were so upset they called
Speaker 1: the police over the email and tried to back down
Speaker 1: the user. We originally like we finally found out who
Speaker 1: it was, um, just because enough people, because literally what
Speaker 1: happened is my parents called other people's parents demanding to
Speaker 1: find out dahn. So that's how they found out, not
Speaker 1: through the police. They found out by calling and being like, yeah,
Speaker 1: well the police have never really been able to help
Speaker 1: anyone solve a crime. But um, but but remember back
Speaker 1: in the day, when you go to a o L,
Speaker 1: you could see every account that that was signing in
Speaker 1: from the screen, so it was like obvious to see
Speaker 1: who it was. And that's how we found out who
Speaker 1: it was. I would name him by first and last
Speaker 1: name on this podcast, but let it just be a mystery.
Speaker 1: It's Prince Andrew. It is Prince Andrew Andrew. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: apparently like moved one of his stuffed animals and you
Speaker 1: got really did you? Did you give a guy the business?
Speaker 1: The kid who did it? M Um, yeah, I definitely
Speaker 1: made out with him immediately. I don't think My bad,
Speaker 1: my bad. All right, we're gonna dig a quick break
Speaker 1: from all the laughter and before we move on to
Speaker 1: our next case. Hello, everyone, welcome back to Real Time Crime.
Speaker 1: Did you miss us? If the answer is no, just
Speaker 1: you can stop listening. Um, my feelings are hurt. If
Speaker 1: the answer is yes, keep yeah, yeah, I keep listening.
Speaker 1: If the answer is yes, you're a normal, healthy, well
Speaker 1: adjusted person, and we're not talking to the people who
Speaker 1: didn't miss us anymore. This is my version of internet bullying.
Speaker 1: All right, This next case is truly heartbreaking. So this
Speaker 1: is the case Mark. I'm nervous. You can hear in
Speaker 1: Mark's voice, She's like, Oh, I'm gonna feel bad making
Speaker 1: fun of this person, whoever it is. The problem with
Speaker 1: this case is that it feels too connected to Mark's background. Okay,
Speaker 1: literally not his professional background, the background of his zoom. Okay,
Speaker 1: hold on, Okay, this case is about Laurence smith Fields,
Speaker 1: and if you are a very good social sleuth, you
Speaker 1: already have heard her name. So Laurence smith Fields was
Speaker 1: found unresponsive in her Plymouth Street apartment in December twelve
Speaker 1: and later died. The family said smith Fields met an
Speaker 1: older white man on bumble and it was he who
Speaker 1: alerted the police to her death. According to the report,
Speaker 1: smith Fields had asked La found him this guy for
Speaker 1: forty dollars for her nails and then to come meet
Speaker 1: her at her Bridgeport residence where they took shots of tequila.
Speaker 1: According to the East Apartment, smith Fields was drinking tequila
Speaker 1: at her apartment with Matthew Lave Fountain. I feel like
Speaker 1: it should be La Fintaine, Okay, the fountain when she
Speaker 1: became ill and went to go vomit in the bathroom.
Speaker 1: After she vomitted, she came back. They continued drinking tequila
Speaker 1: with mixers. The two drank all the way into the
Speaker 1: night when she got a text from someone which apparently
Speaker 1: was her brother, and stepped outside. She went outside to
Speaker 1: get something from him, and then when she came back
Speaker 1: in she went to the bathroom for several minutes. After
Speaker 1: she returned her dates, law Fountain told the officer that
Speaker 1: he thought it was odd, but didn't feel it was
Speaker 1: his place to say anything because he didn't know her
Speaker 1: that well, and the police report states that smith Fields
Speaker 1: and the man had continued to watch the movie, finished
Speaker 1: the bottle tequila when she fell asleep on the couch,
Speaker 1: and then he carried her to the bedroom. They both
Speaker 1: went to sleep. At three am, he said he went
Speaker 1: to use the bathroom and she was snoring. He woke
Speaker 1: up at six thirty saying that she was laying on
Speaker 1: her right side with blood coming out of her right
Speaker 1: nostril and wasn't breathing, and that's when he called nine one.
Speaker 1: Following the police arrival, the landlord was contacted, but he
Speaker 1: didn't have any of her family's information, so it wasn't
Speaker 1: until days later when Midfield's mom, Chantel Fields, went to
Speaker 1: the apartment to see why she hadn't been answering numerous
Speaker 1: calls and texts, and then, oh god, this is so heartbreaking.
Speaker 1: The landlord put a note on her door that said,
Speaker 1: if you're looking for Lauren, please contact this number. My
Speaker 1: my heart would sink into my asshole if I heard that,
Speaker 1: if I saw that note. So that's how the mom
Speaker 1: found out that her daughter had passed away. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: and and and so she called the landlord, and that's
Speaker 1: how she found out about her daughter's death. Okay. So,
Speaker 1: nowhere in the police report did officers mentioned detaining the
Speaker 1: Fountain for questioning, despite him being the last person who
Speaker 1: saw smith Fields alive. So the family, by the way,
Speaker 1: has filed a lawsuit the police department. They're saying that
Speaker 1: they found a bunch of inconsistencies in the report, and
Speaker 1: including that she was apparently intoxicated when she went outside
Speaker 1: to go see her brother Lakim Jetter Jeter Jeddter. All right, Riley,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. Okay, Uh, including that, do you think
Speaker 1: when God was giving the commandments, he was like, hold on,
Speaker 1: go back. I didn't mean that that, okay, Including that
Speaker 1: she was intoxicating when she went outside to go see
Speaker 1: her brother Lakim, And apparently Leakim said that that's not true.
Speaker 1: She wasn't intoxicated at all. Apparently they were exchanging clothes
Speaker 1: of some like laundry situation. They talked for fifteen minutes
Speaker 1: and he's he knows her super well, and he never
Speaker 1: would have been okay with her being that drunk or
Speaker 1: we've said something to her if he realized she was
Speaker 1: super intoxicated. And it says that the police report doesn't
Speaker 1: at all match the story of the last relative. The
Speaker 1: family also said the police did not collect evidence in
Speaker 1: the apartment. Mm. The mother went back to the apartment
Speaker 1: and she said she found a condom with semen inside
Speaker 1: her daughter's apartment, along with a pill that was unidentified
Speaker 1: that they believed might be a sedative. They didn't test
Speaker 1: any of the cups to see if it was liquor
Speaker 1: or if there was anything inside of it. The first
Speaker 1: night we saw cups there, flipped plates and lube. M hum, well,
Speaker 1: you know um. And they also say that the Bridge
Speaker 1: Pars police were super unprofessional in their handling of the investigation,
Speaker 1: apparently Detective Cronin who said he would arrive in thirty minutes.
Speaker 1: They waited over an hour for him to arrive, and
Speaker 1: then they called him again and the family was told
Speaker 1: to stop calling, and then they got him. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm like, who is this my mom? And then they
Speaker 1: received a visit from the officer Garcia and Apparently when
Speaker 1: he got there, the majority of the investigation had already
Speaker 1: been completed, but so many things were a full it
Speaker 1: and like there were dishes out, there were bloody sheets,
Speaker 1: but everything had been like randomly packed and nothing was
Speaker 1: really properly logged. And they also said that apparently Garcia
Speaker 1: started talking shit about Detective Cronan, saying he was like
Speaker 1: an asshole and this and that. But then when they
Speaker 1: went to go get they got interrogated the police station.
Speaker 1: Apparently he was like, I would never say this about Cronan.
Speaker 1: Are you saying I'm a liar? So he was playing
Speaker 1: both sides of the coin. Okay, The families bringing an
Speaker 1: independent agencies to handle the investigation, and apparently the Bridgeport
Speaker 1: Police department is riddled with problems the last two years,
Speaker 1: including the former police chief, Armando Perez, was sentenced to
Speaker 1: prison last year for rigging his own hiring process to
Speaker 1: ensure he became the city's top cop. I mean that's motivation,
Speaker 1: That's that's like dedication raft. Yeah, I mean we should
Speaker 1: all have that sort of sticktuitiveness and drive, you know. Sure. Um, anyway,
Speaker 1: this is a pretty tragic case obviously, and apparently when
Speaker 1: the family went there, they saw that there was in
Speaker 1: fact blood in the center of her bed that was
Speaker 1: then fading out to the right side. So they don't
Speaker 1: really believe that she was just on the bed with
Speaker 1: blood coming out of her nose, because why would it
Speaker 1: all be in the center of the bed. And uh,
Speaker 1: this is a story that we are very confused about
Speaker 1: because there's been so little press on the case and
Speaker 1: it seems like it has lacked any sort of proper investigation. Basically,
Speaker 1: her family at the end of the month had to
Speaker 1: go pack up the whole apartment and that's when they
Speaker 1: found most of the evidence themselves. Um, there's not a
Speaker 1: lot of awareness. People are saying that, just like the
Speaker 1: Gabby Potito case, maybe social media can bring more of
Speaker 1: this to light. Uh huh, No, there's the guy. There's
Speaker 1: no closure here, no closure. Wow, it's clearly that guy
Speaker 1: who went on the date. I mean, that guy's something right. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: so apparently the police department didn't interrogate him or bring
Speaker 1: him in for questioning because they thought he was quote
Speaker 1: a nice guy. Nice guys don't make crimes. Yeah, obviously,
Speaker 1: I mean, I I'm this is gonna answer itself. But
Speaker 1: it's like how do you get that? We already know
Speaker 1: the guy got himself to be the top cop that
Speaker 1: went to jail, But like, how do you become police?
Speaker 1: Police officers? How do you how is your job to
Speaker 1: go when someone is murdered, there's a crime, to go
Speaker 1: there and not follow these basic steps which were just
Speaker 1: regular everyday people here are sitting here, We've watched you know,
Speaker 1: crime shows and documentaries. It's you're not You don't have
Speaker 1: to be a genius to know like, oh, don't touch anything,
Speaker 1: pick this up, look around, like none of that ship
Speaker 1: was done. It seems like that's just a really corrupt
Speaker 1: police department and everyone's trying to be the top cop.
Speaker 1: I think it's actually a new reality show. Next top.
Speaker 1: I'm more of a power bottom. But either way, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is super shady. And here's the problem with police.
Speaker 1: Police are like the post office, you know, their government run,
Speaker 1: so there's no competition. Like that's why the post office sucks.
Speaker 1: You go to fed X, you go to d h
Speaker 1: L or whatever the hell it is. You know, we
Speaker 1: have no alternative for police, so there's no competition. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I bet they'd solve it in two days. Well, and
Speaker 1: that's the thing you kill like you can hire a
Speaker 1: private investigator, but you can't hire them and be like
Speaker 1: get there before the police and pick up all right, exactly,
Speaker 1: we gotta get Dog the bounty hunter on this. Now
Speaker 1: we're talking. That's a good call. Okay, hold on, I
Speaker 1: think you guys need to see a photo of this
Speaker 1: man first of all, because I'm starting to see a
Speaker 1: through line of recent murderers. Oh sorry, alleged murders. Here
Speaker 1: we go. This is gonna look like me. Is this
Speaker 1: another bald guy with a beard whoa Dmitri? I can
Speaker 1: see it. I have some questions about where you were
Speaker 1: in early December. Come out listen to Brian Laundry thing.
Speaker 1: Maybe you could be like I think I saw him.
Speaker 1: There's no way this number one. I don't have that
Speaker 1: kind of build to this guy's. You know, now, can
Speaker 1: I see you with your wire frame glasses? Please? Also,
Speaker 1: is this not exactly what Brian Laundry looks like? But older? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean here's in like a camping and camping gear
Speaker 1: and ship like that. So yeah, and he's look. I
Speaker 1: understand that you're getting upset because you're like, not all
Speaker 1: bald men with beards look alike, but don't they I
Speaker 1: don't camp. So I think that kind of clears me
Speaker 1: of of being too associated with these guys. Oh my god, right, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: but but I don't. I don't like I I just
Speaker 1: think like ladies. You know, if you're swiping on a
Speaker 1: dating app, maybe just say swipe left on a guy
Speaker 1: who looks like this. You know what, I'm glad I'm
Speaker 1: married because right now you're tanking every bald guy with
Speaker 1: a beard on a dating app. Wait still, you see
Speaker 1: my crowd work. Just don't sit in the front row,
Speaker 1: you know, don't sit in the front row if you
Speaker 1: don't want me to ruin your relationship. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I okay. So, so does this feel like a cautionary
Speaker 1: tale for dating app users? Of course, yeah. I think
Speaker 1: inviting someone over the first night it's a little nutty,
Speaker 1: then straight to tequila. The whole thing is a is
Speaker 1: a recipe for disaster. Mark would no drinking. Yes, it's
Speaker 1: never done well for him. And look, I'm I'm in
Speaker 1: a relationship now. But I did I fair share bumbling
Speaker 1: and uh it was pretty rare to get straight to
Speaker 1: the apartment. Also that she asked him for money too,
Speaker 1: for her nails beforehand. Yes, yes, fishy, what's going on here? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I don't know the whole thing, like how do you
Speaker 1: how do you ever piece this together? Like it's it's
Speaker 1: odd from the start, and then there was such sloppy
Speaker 1: follow up to it, like I mean, unless they can,
Speaker 1: you know, find a way and get this guy to
Speaker 1: answer questions or to trace something back like the woman
Speaker 1: with the twenty Instagram things, to be able to trace
Speaker 1: certain things back to somebody. But I don't think the
Speaker 1: necessary steps were taken in order to in order to
Speaker 1: do stuff like that. Absolutely not. And I think that
Speaker 1: there was some sort of inconsistency with them saying the
Speaker 1: autopsy had been completed and then suddenly the autopsy wasn't
Speaker 1: completed and they're gonna do more research on it. And
Speaker 1: I do believe that if anyone is going to get
Speaker 1: this case moving again, it's going to be TikTok. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree. I think this is Uh, there's gotta be
Speaker 1: some fettan al here. Oh you think so? Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think he he drugged her and overdid it, or
Speaker 1: maybe the brother gave her some blow something. Something's going
Speaker 1: on here with drugs. Yeah, And and there's there's something
Speaker 1: with drugs. Yeah, definitely. Well he stood out and stood
Speaker 1: that when you said they were drinking tequila, she went
Speaker 1: and threw up, came back, and then they drank tequila
Speaker 1: with mixers. Yes, to be fair, I've definitely been too drunk, vomited,
Speaker 1: came back and was like yeah, maybe you know um,
Speaker 1: and this is why I don't drink anymore. But do
Speaker 1: you know how you quit? You know, I took like
Speaker 1: a seven year absence. Hey, good for you. I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not like sober, but I do understand that it
Speaker 1: doesn't align with me for seven year absence from drinking
Speaker 1: or like you blacked out for seven years. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I did, just wake up from a coma and wondering
Speaker 1: how I got into this podcast. I think the thing
Speaker 1: that really upset me the most is when I woke
Speaker 1: up on the floor of a frat house and one
Speaker 1: hand was covered in salsa and the other hand was
Speaker 1: covered in antela ha, And I was like, I gotta
Speaker 1: quit drinking. Um, just just imagining myself going back and
Speaker 1: forth between like sweet and salty. Yeah, you got a
Speaker 1: good palette, a lot of range there. It was like
Speaker 1: the fat It's like the boys in the frat house,
Speaker 1: were like, don't she's got bigger fish to fry, you
Speaker 1: know on that one. You have a condom? No, but
Speaker 1: I have condiments. Whatever you need, I got it. Oh boy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Then I I remember waking up at around uh four
Speaker 1: in the morning, five in the morning, hopping out the
Speaker 1: window the door didn't seem appropriate, and then passing out
Speaker 1: on my front lawn. That that was covered morning. Do
Speaker 1: when I woke up at nine am? Damn, your dad's
Speaker 1: just mowing the lawn around you, and and what And
Speaker 1: from that you stopped drinking. I mean, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I drank for many years. That boy. We're one the same,
Speaker 1: We're cover from the same cloth. I know, you know,
Speaker 1: I just I was so much more fun when I drank. Same. Well,
Speaker 1: it's like, I'll use Jim Jeffrey's joke. No great story
Speaker 1: started with I had a salad. Yeah, And I assume Mark,
Speaker 1: you still drink because the sunglasses are not because you're
Speaker 1: they're not blue blockers. It's not you're worried about the
Speaker 1: race from your computer. Right now, I am. I'm hurting
Speaker 1: a little bit, but I haven't Syracuse and there's really
Speaker 1: nothing else to do, so I'm so lonely and on
Speaker 1: the road, so I had to had to tie one on.
Speaker 1: I feel like we're stopping you from starting up again.
Speaker 1: No oh, I got a few hours. This podcast is
Speaker 1: the exact reason to start drinking, in my opinion. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's very sad because of the because of the the news,
Speaker 1: right yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, okay, not because of
Speaker 1: my dating history, although also very sad. Do you think
Speaker 1: we have time for the voicemail? I think we should
Speaker 1: do it. I don't think we have time for the voicemail,
Speaker 1: dmitri No, what if we have to find extra time
Speaker 1: on our hands. I don't know. We keep telling people
Speaker 1: to call in, but then you know what, You're right,
Speaker 1: you're right, you're right, you're right. Riley, quick, quick, quickly
Speaker 1: play the voicemail. I think we deserve to hear it.
Speaker 1: And if it's something that we just can't tackle today,
Speaker 1: we'll tackle next week. But at least, let's play the voicemail.
Speaker 1: And I want to say thank you to everyone who
Speaker 1: calls in and leaves the white smails that we never
Speaker 1: get to. We don't want to trigger your abandonment issues,
Speaker 1: but all right, Riley, play the voicemail. Please, guys. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, like, I love your podcast super great. Have
Speaker 1: you guys considered talking about the Tamala Horsford case. She
Speaker 1: was a Georgia mother who went to a football sleepover
Speaker 1: with a bunch of other football moms who mysteriously died.
Speaker 1: And it's not everything was ruled an accident, but there
Speaker 1: was some evidence that has mysteriously gone missing. It's just
Speaker 1: super sketchy. Thanks. Fine, I've never heard that one, NOA.
Speaker 1: I've also never heard of like a football mom sleepover,
Speaker 1: but I think I think we should look into that
Speaker 1: for next time. I mean, when we say football mom,
Speaker 1: do we mean like in the British sense, likes this
Speaker 1: soccer the European where we're talking about American football. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we have soccer moms. Why not football mom? I think
Speaker 1: it makes sense. All right, we got some football moms
Speaker 1: in the house, all right, So we'll dive into that
Speaker 1: case next time. Thank you for calling in, and again
Speaker 1: you can call us live at eight six six one crime.
Speaker 1: That's eight six six to anyone crime, six six to
Speaker 1: anyone crime. That's eight six six two one two seven
Speaker 1: four six three. You know, if you've got a question
Speaker 1: comment concerned case that we should look into like football, mom,
Speaker 1: which we certainly will. And Mark, any final thoughts today,
Speaker 1: this is probably not at all what you expected, not
Speaker 1: at all. I have to ask anyone else hard. I mean,
Speaker 1: all this murder talks really got me going. No, thanks
Speaker 1: for having me. It's great to see it, Dmitri. Good
Speaker 1: to meet you. Just super fun and enlightening, and it
Speaker 1: kind of helps you not feel like a weirdo. Sometimes
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I'm a psycho, and then you hear
Speaker 1: about these other people and you're like, I'm doing okay. Wow,
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that this made you feel better about
Speaker 1: your life. That's what this is. This isn't even a podcast, Lee.
Speaker 1: It was like, my buddy Marks a little down on himself.
Speaker 1: Can we just fake a podcast and share him up? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay guys, yeah, Cut, thank you so much. I really
Speaker 1: appreciate you coming in today, but you know, the gig's up. Um. Yeah.
Speaker 1: This is actually an inspirational podcast on how to feel
Speaker 1: better about yourself. Mark. Remember there's people worse than you
Speaker 1: out there, and Mark feel better. Where can we find
Speaker 1: you on the internet. Hey, I'm all over the place,
Speaker 1: out to the lunch on YouTube. I gotta have my
Speaker 1: own YouTube channel, Instagram at Mark Norman, Twitter at Mark
Speaker 1: Norm Mark Norman Comedy dot com. For dates, check out
Speaker 1: dates with Mark. Um, he's taking ladies hands off. I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry. Yeah, and you Mark, you're on tour right,
Speaker 1: I'm on tour every weekend. I'm sure I'm coming to
Speaker 1: your town. So check out those dates and say hello. Yeay,
Speaker 1: so go check out Mark. He's hilarious. He'll probably be
Speaker 1: wearing sunglasses and no, I'm not blind. You're the Stevie
Speaker 1: Wonder of comedy. Yeah, come say hello and uh yeah
Speaker 1: we'll go gay comedy. Okay, all right, I mean, look,
Speaker 1: you guys, if if you don't like to laugh, don't
Speaker 1: listen to the podcast. And that's our tagline. What's something
Speaker 1: that should be a crime that's not a crime? Mm hmm,
Speaker 1: good question. Um calling me before noon farting in an
Speaker 1: elevator with other people, I'm definitely guilty of that one.
Speaker 1: That's a that's punishable by death, I think, yeah, crime
Speaker 1: punishable by death. Also, Mark, just so you know, Teddy
Speaker 1: has never been able to get me to wake up
Speaker 1: at ten am to do this podcast and should be
Speaker 1: furious should it was midnight? Yes? All right. Well, this
Speaker 1: has been an amazing episode of Real time crime with
Speaker 1: our guests Hot Today, Mark Norman, Mark, I love you,
Speaker 1: thank you for coming on. Go see Mark shows. He's
Speaker 1: on tour. He's hilarious, as you heard here today. And
Speaker 1: I've been Lee Omar, that's been sometimes. Dmitri who was
Speaker 1: a lot of times Dmitri today, and we'll see you
Speaker 1: next week. I love you all. Stay safe. Bye. It's
Speaker 1: real time Rod, it's real time Grady. I mean, is
Speaker 1: it actually real time crime? I'm solving anything? Or is
Speaker 1: that just the thing we stay it's a thing we say,
Speaker 1: got it? Okay, See you next week for more real
Speaker 1: time crime, only on I Horror Radio.