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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: I just love talking. I got so much to say

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Speaker 1: at all time.

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Speaker 3: I like talking to people that I like on them,

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Speaker 3: even though we never Yeah, I just women. Every time

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Speaker 3: I see you talking and like, you say the right ship.

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Speaker 1: I saw you at Atlanta Airport one. That's so I

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Speaker 1: was like, I'm pretty sure that's small. Let me run.

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Speaker 4: No right, I'm just talking about it.

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Speaker 5: Before he started recording, it was like.

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Speaker 4: He was on the same flight coming back here. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: coming back here from Atlanta. Yeah, he was scared, so

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Speaker 4: scared I was. I was by myself, but he was.

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Speaker 3: It was like he was with us, his guys, and

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Speaker 3: it's like, you know, I just I funk with him somebody.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, it might be awkward right now, Like, yo,

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Speaker 4: what's uping?

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Speaker 5: Man? Like, I don't know because what I say, I'm

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Speaker 5: with me. You feel like I didn't was this pandemic time?

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Speaker 1: No, I don't know why. I just I'm going back.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, nah, I don't think I felt like you

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Speaker 1: didn't fuck me. I was like, I feel like he's indifferent.

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Speaker 1: That's what I felt. So that's why I didn't go up.

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Speaker 4: I like that word.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just like he doesn't care.

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Speaker 4: I feel like I'm indifferent about some a lot of

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Speaker 1: I was just like, he doesn't care. Yeah, like there's

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Speaker 1: there's no beef. But it's like he's in different.

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Speaker 3: But see, it's weird because I'm the same way. Like

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Speaker 3: I saw you and I'm like I like this dude.

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Speaker 3: But it was kind of like you know what I mean. Different, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but it's like it's awkward, Like what do I say? Yo,

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Speaker 3: what's up my mall? That's corny?

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Speaker 1: Like yeah, is that with your shoes off?

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Speaker 5: And I didn't know what to say, but I just

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Speaker 5: I was telling Rory about that. I'm like, yeah, I

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Speaker 5: saw rustling time in Atlanta at the airport and we

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Speaker 1: That's the day we got banned from the greeter service

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Speaker 1: because we were snapping on the like greeter.

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Speaker 4: Lady because she was just green lady.

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Speaker 1: Like when so when we fly like commercial, we get

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Speaker 1: the greeter who just fucking breezes you through everything. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: We just just got money, so we're just learning about

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Speaker 5: the ship. But sometimes I just got waiting line. I

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Speaker 5: got clear, and I was like, oh I got it.

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Speaker 1: Now Clear is the biggest finass because everybody you just

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Speaker 1: feel guilty, you know, see clear with me like you

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Speaker 1: you make me cut everyone in line, and now I'm

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Speaker 1: still in the same line. Exactly, take me to a

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Speaker 5: That's why I got your pre check. Clear, that's the

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Speaker 5: next stage door.

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Speaker 4: That's what that is. That's not even that's.

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Speaker 1: Where you had to go, like do an interview and ship.

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Speaker 4: Do a whole background check.

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Speaker 5: You find out about yourself you didn't even know, Like damn,

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Speaker 5: I got an uncle that did what I got to

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Speaker 5: do that Biggs was put me on to where they

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Speaker 3: Straight to the plane you get on like where they

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Speaker 3: load the food and ship at Yeah, Tara.

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Speaker 5: This is starting out as a very relatable podcast.

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Speaker 1: Ship but see Atlanta. They used to used to like

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Speaker 5: I'm protected by the federal government in there.

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Speaker 4: I like Russ.

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Speaker 3: I like because he you know, I like guys that

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Speaker 3: So I like, I respect you like that. I don't

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Speaker 1: and you know how this shit goes, you know, like

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Speaker 5: Like. But where do you draw the line? Because hip

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Speaker 1: Like that, that's the genre they weren't being competitive because

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's that's a reflection of having this in

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Speaker 5: Because I really feel like anytime, even in the nineties,

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Speaker 1: That's true.

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Speaker 5: So I think it's there because it is competitive, and

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Speaker 1: some sort of like mob mentality that we don't fuck

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Speaker 1: with Russ and it has nothing to do with music.

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Speaker 1: If you want to be competitive, keep it on the music.

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Speaker 1: But when you take it aside from music. That's like

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Speaker 5: But what do you think stars that? Because I feel

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Speaker 5: Cole was selling out crazy theaters. At that time, we

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Speaker 5: knew it wasn't real, just internet shit. And then I

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Speaker 5: feel like you had your time on the internet when

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Speaker 5: it was cool to say Russ was corny.

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Speaker 4: It was cool to say you don't fuck with Russ.

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Speaker 5: Meanwhile, what you're selling out and the numbers you're doing

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Speaker 5: are better than the A listers that.

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Speaker 4: Are popular on the internet.

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Speaker 5: Right what starts that? Because I never know when it

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Speaker 5: becomes cool and how we decide to pick that artist

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Speaker 5: to say it's not cool to like that artist, because that.

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Speaker 3: Was my thing, Like when we knew that we were

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Speaker 3: going to have you for a conversation, my thing was

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Speaker 3: finally because I wanted to. I always wanted to figure

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Speaker 3: out what's the because I'm not the typical listener. I'm

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Speaker 3: listening for different shit. I hear shit differently, so when

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Speaker 3: I hear the talent, I'm like, oh this, this dude

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Speaker 3: is nice. But I don't know any Russ fans personally, sure,

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Speaker 3: but I know what you do and I see that,

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Speaker 3: where is it at?

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Speaker 1: Sure?

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Speaker 5: But yeah, I did everything right.

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Speaker 5: You know what, I'm looking for validity in the machine

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Speaker 4: Though.

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Speaker 5: That's that's where it gets.

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Speaker 1: Abaz with shit. The fact that you say that. So

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Speaker 1: my boy Boogi is he was like, Bro, you came

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Speaker 5: Industry exactly, it's not even innigalidated by when you're saying

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Speaker 1: It's not even in the industry's best interest to boost

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Speaker 1: And if they put me on the cover of everything,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And I mean because the narrative now which I

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Speaker 5: million liked because that is that is the narrative now

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Speaker 5: which I pump too, Like guys, there's really no actual

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Speaker 5: that is kind of a false narrative. Is something great too?

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Speaker 5: So false that's something they've been pumping within the industry

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's clearly.

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Speaker 5: Still because you put out what three days before, you

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Speaker 1: Yea, yeah, yeah, that's the consumer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. I don't like doing shit when

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Speaker 1: I don't like you got to drop on a Friday.

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Speaker 1: It's like, I don't I'm not doing this for numbers.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing this for impact and ill music you feel

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Speaker 5: And for the most part, the consumer is proven that

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Speaker 5: I have fucking everything.

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Speaker 1: But it's you used to pay what whatever it was

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Speaker 5: But it's proving that that consumers are going out and

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Speaker 5: They'll pay a bunch of different people, but typically people

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Speaker 5: Most people do the free shit. So music for the

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Speaker 5: most regarded it's free right now, yeah, but the consumer

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Speaker 5: is still willing to purchase shit. So I can't understand

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Speaker 5: why artists aren't doing shit like that, like you want

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Speaker 1: They haven't trained their audience to even think like that,

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Speaker 1: because they themselves don't think like that. I've have conversations

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Speaker 1: to sell merch yet. I'm like, dog, you go into

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Speaker 1: Gucci and sell Gucci every day, yeah, and like you

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Speaker 1: you help Gucci sell throughout hip hop, you don't think

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Speaker 1: like sell your own merch. Like, the reason why artists

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Speaker 1: really cool and whatever they're wearing is cool. Do it

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Speaker 1: But if the fans, like if you, if you don't

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Speaker 5: Know, but do you expect an artist to know that, Like,

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Speaker 5: more of a we should be talking to their team

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Speaker 5: and whoever their manager is, because that should be their brain.

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Speaker 5: And I've seen a lot of artists compromise their music

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Speaker 5: because they are just musicians. They're not businessmen, and then

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Speaker 5: they go try to be businessmen and the music suffers

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Speaker 5: because they're trying to do too much because not every

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Speaker 5: the greatest, probably a majority of the greatest artists of

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Speaker 5: our time are not good business people. They're artists and

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Speaker 5: that's okay. And if they went and go just focused

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Speaker 3: You think if you had That's true though, because I

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Speaker 3: your career. You think if you had like a co

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Speaker 3: sign from like That's.

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Speaker 1: Why I said on the album biggest rap without a

438
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Speaker 1: co sign.

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Speaker 5: But I think that I did think about that too, Dog, I.

440
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Speaker 1: Would be the biggest artist. Swear to god, I'd be

441
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Speaker 1: the biggest artists in the world if a reputable co

442
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Speaker 1: sign from the get go was like Yo, I was

443
00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,280
Speaker 1: called the cultural hug like amongst my friends, it's like

444
00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,280
Speaker 1: when they do this to you, if you walk in

445
00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,000
Speaker 1: the gate like this, your music gets heard differently.

446
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Speaker 5: But when was the last time we saw that really

447
00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:15,960
Speaker 5: really work? That was the thing for a while, coon,

448
00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,520
Speaker 5: when it's been the last I mean, I feel like

449
00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:22,680
Speaker 5: what Yo Gotti has done might be the most relevant

450
00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,520
Speaker 5: one to the Coston and seeing it work. But outside

451
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Speaker 5: of that, is there a real co sin Now.

452
00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,639
Speaker 1: That it's more, it's not even necessarily just about the fans.

453
00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,120
Speaker 1: It's about behind the scenes for sure. You gotta you know,

454
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Speaker 1: if you got someone like this walking you around the industry,

455
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Speaker 1: it helps a business.

456
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Speaker 5: Cosin is drastically different than just a rapper.

457
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Speaker 1: But that co sign can get you those perception looks,

458
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Speaker 1: magazine covers that make the rest of the common folk

459
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Speaker 1: be like, oh, he.

460
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Speaker 4: Is really lit, He's really but that's.

461
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Speaker 1: Really just because you had the right dude walk you

462
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Speaker 1: in the room.

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Speaker 5: So all right, well, then let me ask you, because

464
00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:01,040
Speaker 5: you do pump the anti industry shit, let's use Rock

465
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Speaker 5: Nation just for an example, not as a label, with

466
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Speaker 5: as a management company. Is that something you're open to

467
00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,840
Speaker 5: compromising on to be a bit more industry where you

468
00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,719
Speaker 5: would get that co sign to walk into buildings, not

469
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Speaker 5: from a label perspective. But this is my manager now.

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Speaker 1: It's like, it's funny because I've had I've had ideas

471
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Speaker 1: of it's it's internal conflict of like, if it's fucked

472
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Speaker 1: the industry, then it's fucked the industry all the way through,

473
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Speaker 1: all the way through. If it's fucked the industry, but

474
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Speaker 1: I want the cover of GQ and Rolling Stone, then

475
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Speaker 1: how much can it be fucked the industry missionary?

476
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Speaker 4: Fuck? It'sary.

477
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Speaker 1: So the dilemma, nice and slow dilemma because I'm stubborn,

478
00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,280
Speaker 1: is I want to say fuck the industry and get

479
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Speaker 1: industry looks still my way just off of sheer like

480
00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,120
Speaker 1: come on, like I want like my goal is this, bro,

481
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Speaker 1: I want to get so big just with my culte

482
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Speaker 1: following because I know I can take this shit through

483
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,000
Speaker 1: the roof, because I can do the hits and the

484
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,120
Speaker 1: raps I want to get so big with my colte

485
00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 1: following where it's like, you have to fuck with me.

486
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:10,720
Speaker 1: You look crazy if you don't, you know what I'm saying,

487
00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:12,879
Speaker 1: because honestly, I feel like Drake never really got a

488
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,600
Speaker 1: lot of industry love, you know what I mean. I

489
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,760
Speaker 1: feel like Drake is just at the point and got

490
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,359
Speaker 1: to a point. Wayne the Wayne Coson was crazy for sure,

491
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,719
Speaker 1: but I still feel like the industry wanted to not

492
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,479
Speaker 1: fuck with Drake in the beginning on a media publication.

493
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Speaker 5: Something very early, very very early though he didn't last

494
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Speaker 5: very long though.

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Speaker 1: Nah yet it didn't last long. But it's like, and

496
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Speaker 1: I'm sure obviously he had any opportunity, you probably want it,

497
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,720
Speaker 1: but it's like, I still feel like there's that chip

498
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Speaker 1: on his shoulder where he wants to still like the

499
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 1: media and the hip hop voice of approval still isn't

500
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Speaker 1: all the way there. But it's like it's inspiring to

501
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,880
Speaker 1: me because I'm like, damn, if Drake himself isn't even

502
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:56,159
Speaker 1: fully embraced by the culture on some like or if

503
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,879
Speaker 1: he feels that way, then dog, maybe this is just

504
00:21:59,040 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 1: par for the course.

505
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Speaker 5: Drake's was kind of all behind the scenes like where

506
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:03,440
Speaker 5: we were talking with you and Cole where it was

507
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 5: on Twitter and we saw that and it was part

508
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 5: of your career. Drake's was I think behind the scenes

509
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 5: before Young Money, when he was getting turned down by

510
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,199
Speaker 5: Sylvia Rohn saying you'll never be marketable type shit, and

511
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 5: then when he really got on, allegedly the higher ups

512
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 5: trying to stop him with the Meek beef, and like

513
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 5: everyone's kind of conspiring, like this new force that was

514
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,199
Speaker 5: in the industry, we kind of have to team up

515
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 5: and make sure he doesn't surpass us. So I think

516
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 5: that's where Drake gets that chip. We don't see where

517
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 5: the chip comes from. True, Like Drake will say bars

518
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 5: on even current albums of like I never got to

519
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,159
Speaker 5: love nobody ever fucks with me, and I'm like, I

520
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 5: think it a number of artists in the world. But

521
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 5: he's speaking from a place that I don't think we

522
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:40,640
Speaker 5: know about personally.

523
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Speaker 1: With him, he's talking about what I'm talking about, where

524
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,360
Speaker 1: it's like he's just so big with his cult following

525
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 1: that doesn't matter if the industry fucks with him. But

526
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 1: he's probably still like, how do y'all not fuck with

527
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 1: me in the industry. I'm mean to look what I've done,

528
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 1: and it's kind of hot. Like my thing too, is

529
00:22:56,000 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 1: like I'm not sitting here pumping poison, like asking why

530
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 1: don't y'all fuck with me? I'm getting I'm saying shit

531
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 1: that really needs to be said objectively, not just because

532
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,919
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm saying shit that objectively really needs to

533
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 1: be said, like yo, y'all should own your music. Yo.

534
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 1: You you know what I'm saying, Like fuck giving Gucci

535
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 1: thirty grand. Put thirty grand into your merch put you

536
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like.

537
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Speaker 4: Can I ask you something of that?

538
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:23,640
Speaker 1: Though? Yeah?

539
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 5: Do you agree with right message? Wrong messenger?

540
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 4: Sometimes I do?

541
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 5: I do, And let me finish because I know you'll

542
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,160
Speaker 5: have to say you would be the right messenger because

543
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,120
Speaker 5: you did it, you proved, you proved it can be done.

544
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 5: I'm asking this because I've said plenty of things that

545
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 5: have been right on this podcast. And then I look

546
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 5: back at it and I said, oh, that's a white

547
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 5: face saying that.

548
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's all. I was just about to say, well,

549
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 1: that's like, that's so.

550
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 5: Like when you don't every day struggle and it's saying like, haha,

551
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 5: I own all my shit y'all don't own y'all shit.

552
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 5: It can come across like, who is this white guy

553
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 5: saying this shit to me?

554
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 4: Of course, like it's easier for him to own his

555
00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:58,120
Speaker 4: own shit.

556
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I think that, Oh yeah, I had to

557
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 5: come back on.

558
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,120
Speaker 1: That a lot, being a white dude in black culture

559
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: coming through talking about why don't y'all own y'all shit?

560
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 1: You need to own you comes off insane and you

561
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: don't want to hear it from me because historically I'm

562
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 1: the oppressor, you feel me, So it comes off like

563
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: the oppressor telling us why are you oppressed? And it's like,

564
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 1: there's nothing I can do at this stage of the game.

565
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,120
Speaker 1: There's nothing me personally, Russell Vitality can do about that.

566
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: What I feel like, though, is if I'm going to

567
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 1: make money off of black culture, it's my responsibility to

568
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 1: contribute something that can help.

569
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 5: I agree.

570
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 1: So however you feels, however you feel, I'm not going

571
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,239
Speaker 1: to stop trying to help you on. And that's why

572
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: I've had to check myself in just the tone and

573
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 1: the delivery where it's like, let me make it clear

574
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 1: that my intention is to help y'all. That's always what

575
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 1: it was. But it came off sometimes more like look

576
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 1: at me, look at me, look at me. I'm doing

577
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 1: like all this great shit, the fuck with me? Yeah,

578
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,959
Speaker 1: as opposed to like, yo, like y'all are all so incredible,

579
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 1: y'all stream more than me. You're like, you should own

580
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 1: your shit. You'd like rap it. We talk all this

581
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 1: money shit. You want real money on your shit. You

582
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But like I said, from the

583
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: mouth of the aesthetic wise, the oppressor that shit is,

584
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: that shit is like, I mean, that's cool. Do shut up.

585
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 5: I get what you're saying. But I would be cloture

586
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 5: if I was quiet. That's a fact.

587
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: I had that bomb.

588
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 3: But you want to be who you are, though, and

589
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 3: if that's not who you are, you know.

590
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 1: Well, So that's the thing. Here's what me and my

591
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,919
Speaker 1: boy were talking about. It is like, all right, I

592
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 1: know for a fact this right. If I was quiet

593
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: and I set it on to shape the snow globe.

594
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: Sometimes think about if I was quiet, how much bigger i'd be?

595
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 1: Because the truth you see the artists who come in

596
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: and just shake hands, kiss babies, ruffle no feathers, you

597
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 1: don't even know what they think about. They might be racist,

598
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 1: on the love you don't know because you never speak,

599
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: You never say anything right. And it's like, I could

600
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 1: have done that, and maybe I would have been bigger.

601
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: Here's the shit that would have really eating me up.

602
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 1: What if I would have kissed ass still been getting

603
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: shunned in exactly? Then I be real exactly.

604
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 5: But all that validity you wanted from the industry, you

605
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 5: get it and realize it's not worth shit.

606
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: And that's what I've had to like, that's bro. The

607
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: past couple of months, I've been like, what does any

608
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:17,880
Speaker 1: of that shit mean?

609
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 6: Anyway?

610
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 7: Dog?

611
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: There's people who have covers of magazines, this award, that award.

612
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: It's like, I feel like very few people have the

613
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: impact I have in real life. Like what I've done

614
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: to people's minds, you feel me? Like what I have

615
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 1: done to people's am I talking about you gave us

616
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,199
Speaker 1: a couple of party songs that we turn up to.

617
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: That shit Like I always look at it like this,

618
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 1: when you die, if you're an artist, when you die,

619
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: what would a fan do to honor you? And that's

620
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: your legacy? I know For me, I know what fans

621
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: would do to honor me. Believe in yourself and own

622
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 1: your shit. You feel me for a lot of these artists,

623
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: what would a fan do to honor you? Turn up

624
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: right the party? That's the end at some Pointand so

625
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: I know, at the end of the day, fuck numbers.

626
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: Fuck all that. My impact when I'm dead, it's a

627
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: rap bro. When I'm dead, this sh is going through

628
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,360
Speaker 1: the roof because my impact on people's minds in spirit,

629
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: I wrote a book of my belief system. It's cemented.

630
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 5: How has that changed how you've approached music With focusing

631
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 5: on impact.

632
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: I'm way more aware of the intention of what I'm

633
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: trying to actually accomplish. I know, like, because when you're younger,

634
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: you're just making shit. You're just making shit. It's all

635
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 1: like external I've internalized a lot more shit now, which

636
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,199
Speaker 1: has its pros and cons. You know, when you're just

637
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: like living externally, it's very like free and you're not

638
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: you're not censoring yourself. When you internalize a lot of things,

639
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: you can second guess and whatever. But I really know

640
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 1: it's bigger than me now, and I really know I

641
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 1: have a platform, and I really try to make a

642
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,479
Speaker 1: conscious effort to even on a chomp too, where some

643
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: of my female fans might be like, well, there's nothing,

644
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: there's no losing control, there's no RB shit. But I

645
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: also there's a melody of two. But it's like, but

646
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: I know that they also see. That's the thing. The

647
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 1: women who listen to me, they aren't just like listening

648
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 1: for the heartbreak songs. It's because I've also helped their

649
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: mindset and changed their life in that way. So I

650
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 1: make sure to have those motivational bars. It's not a

651
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: RUSS if there's no motivation in it. You feel me.

652
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 3: I was, but I was great to say, uh because

653
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 3: you said, like the GQ covers and things like that,

654
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 3: like the ship that we deem is the cool good looks.

655
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 3: What do you think about you know? And it's it's corny,

656
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 3: but it's part of the culture. I don't think you've

657
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 3: been tied to like any like famous women, like what

658
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 3: about that route, Like I can't.

659
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: Once again, it's that same sort of thing where I

660
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: just got to be me and I never like I've

661
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: been with beautiful women who you know, have a following

662
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: whatever it is, but it's like I never was dating

663
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: them so that the look could tell me that it

664
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: is cool.

665
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 4: Well, I mean you also rip them apart on your intro.

666
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 5: Started started that whole his whole album with Yo, bitch,

667
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 5: I've I've never wanted to date you, like you should

668
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 5: become a better person and get some self awareness and

669
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 5: realize that we've never even had a meal together.

670
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: But that's that's stuff.

671
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 4: That's women just dating like the women.

672
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: That's another That's what I'm saying. That's like playing the

673
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: game you feel me like, but I like that game.

674
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: It's cool. But it's like, all right, Yo, you want

675
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: to go to Nobu And then I call Van Layton

676
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: and say, Yo, have TMG outside Nobu for in two hours.

677
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 4: I know you're not in the industry.

678
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: I'm about to pull up with for ten years. You

679
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: know what I mean? You know what I'm saying.

680
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 5: It's like but not that, not that, but but just

681
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 5: like no one would know is corny because what what

682
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 5: is the internet?

683
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: C uh paparazzi images of you walking out of Noble

684
00:29:58,880 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: holding hands with the arm.

685
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 5: But you know it's also corny, like seeking out a

686
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 5: woman because she's famous and it may help my career,

687
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 5: you know, the girl I.

688
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: Can't bring my like. Also, I just like having at

689
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: least one element of my life still private. You feel

690
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: me like I don't know, and I just I don't know.

691
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,239
Speaker 1: I do. When I was younger, I did a lot

692
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: of things for approval.

693
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 4: Say I think we all do.

694
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: Dating, uh and I still do sometimes, but women was

695
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: never one of them. I never was like, oh fuck, man,

696
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: I know y'all want to fuck this girl. I'm about

697
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: to put on my igs and be like, look who

698
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: I'm with.

699
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 4: That's weird.

700
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: I was, But there's so many rappers as soon as

701
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: I can wed.

702
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's it's it's it's it's bad now though,

703
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 3: Like it's bad the amount of women that artists date,

704
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,959
Speaker 3: like it's like the same women. It's like y'all are

705
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 3: homeboys and like he was just with her four months ago.

706
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but I mean they don't give about that

707
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: takes the time. One of these like you know, models

708
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: popping whatever, Like we don't know what you like. You

709
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: never post like what you like? We women want to

710
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: know what you like? Are you gay or something like that.

711
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, see, this is why this is what's fucked

712
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: up with social media. Y'all are so entitled to celebrities

713
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: private lives that if we don't show you it, you

714
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: think there's something up something. Have you heard of private?

715
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 4: Right?

716
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: How dumb and fucking like down the rabbit hole of

717
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: like everything's gotta be for the look are you dog like?

718
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 4: Which isn't even privacy? You just doing shit to do

719
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 4: it at that point?

720
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, like what like, come on, bro, If that's what

721
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: I want to do, I will move to LA for

722
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: four months. I pop out at Noble every three weeks

723
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: with a different chick. She'd understand what's going on, and like,

724
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: that's the game I will play. That shit is corny.

725
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 4: Well, you're in the right shit. You in Atlanta, that's true.

726
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: You in the right spot at Atlanta has the bad

727
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: ones that aren't poppling.

728
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, those are the ones. Yeah, five hundred followers one

729
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 5: of those gems. Yeah, but you did say.

730
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: Specific right, find the one with five hundred and three

731
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: followers follow thirty six.

732
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 5: I'm gonna have the famous chicks. I'm trying to find

733
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 5: the least famous chick on Earth. Oh well, you said

734
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 5: on the intro, speaking outside of that with women, your

735
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 5: father's twice over divorced.

736
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 4: You think it's a miditary.

737
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: Where are you at because that's one of my favorite boss.

738
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 5: When you started the album with that, I was like,

739
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 5: all right, you see where this is going. So where

740
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 5: are you with women having that mentality thinking that I've

741
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 5: never probably seen a relationship really work. And now I'm

742
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 5: also on top of that, my father wasn't famous, she

743
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 5: had had Instagram? So where does that put you in

744
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 5: a mind state of even thinking a relationship could work?

745
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: Man, It's tough because I was I was looking at

746
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: what I thought was a successful marriage for a long time.

747
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: They didn't get divorced till twenty five, twenty six. I'm

748
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: twenty nine, you know what I'm saying. It was one

749
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: of those situations though, where I think if my mom

750
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: could have left financially, if she could, she would have

751
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: a long time ago. And she left a long time

752
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: ago is what I think, you know what I mean emotionally,

753
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: that's even where like bankrupt kind of came from. Even

754
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: with my brother and like his pat like I left

755
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: a long time ago. You know what I'm saying. And

756
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: what it really did to my head was like, damn,

757
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: I really thought that, Like you go through twenty six

758
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: years of life thinking that the arguments into whatever is

759
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: a good marriage. Well, because they're still together, this must

760
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: just be what it is. Yeah, and then it breaks up.

761
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: And then you look around and you realize, damn all right,

762
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: So now, including myself, I know nobody who has parents

763
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: still together. My manager, my best friends, or anyone around

764
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: me got to no one's got parents still together. So

765
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: I look at that and I'm like, I love my girl,

766
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: but weddings scare me. I can't fight the force. My

767
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: dad is twice, divorce might be hereditary. It's like, I

768
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: don't know. I can't I can't say. Maybe five years ago,

769
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, a marriage would be cool, I

770
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: can't say that. Now, shit, I can't say that. What

771
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: do I look like? Just being fifteen? Like in La

772
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: La Land?

773
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 4: Yeah?

774
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 5: You know what I mean, what's your longest relationship in.

775
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 4: You're like a seven month or a lot of times?

776
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 5: Right?

777
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 4: Seven months?

778
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: One must be making the great songs? Nah, be like

779
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: two years? Two three years?

780
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 5: Okay, so that's enough time. I feel like that conversation

781
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:23,240
Speaker 5: would come.

782
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 1: Up from my thing is like honestly, I was only

783
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: in like really like when I would be in relationships,

784
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: I would take a dumb serious I would think that

785
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: that was the end all being. Yeah, you know, and

786
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's just like man, I don't know.

787
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: I try to just live in the present because of

788
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: the marriages that have crumbled all around me. I'm just like,

789
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if and if a girl wants marriage

790
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: and that's the absolute end all, be all, and you

791
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: need to know right now. I can't tell you right

792
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: now because I may never get married.

793
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 4: Try to say that to a woman that loves you.

794
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 4: Good luck.

795
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's like but but you know what it's like. See.

796
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: The thing that I've always like been perplexed about is

797
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: if I tell you what it is and I show

798
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: you what it is now, I'm not saying if I

799
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: tell you we're not dating, but I'm taking you on trips.

800
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: And why do you think we're dating? If I tell

801
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,879
Speaker 1: you we're not dating, if I tell you you need

802
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: a boyfriend, if I show you.

803
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 5: We're not dating and we never go out to eat,

804
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 5: we just had this conversation you.

805
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,919
Speaker 1: Still, That's where that's where that line came from. Because

806
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: women that I've never shared a meal with that think

807
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: we shared feelings? How do we share feeld We never

808
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: even ate.

809
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 5: That's that's because you got to realize how low the

810
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 5: bar is that. Oh yeah, you ultimately talk to dudes

811
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 5: that they can't have a real conversation with to save

812
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 5: their life. So you have one fake, deep, regular conversation

813
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 5: the way you just speak to people that talk to

814
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 5: in respect, and they're gonna be like, oh my god,

815
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 5: I've never felt this vibe before, and that's where it

816
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 5: gets scary.

817
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 4: Then you become Toxic's like, no, it's just the type

818
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 4: of person I am.

819
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: That's like, oh so I got to dog you to

820
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 1: make it super clear. I don't fuck with you that

821
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: like that. Some women only give you that alternative though,

822
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 1: where it's like, oh so if I'm just like, if

823
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: we just have conversation, we obviously they're sex involved, but

824
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: you know I'm doing what I'm doing. I assume you're

825
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 1: doing what you're doing. We don't go out to eat,

826
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: we're not doing any of that type of So it's like,

827
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 1: all right, how does that not show you what this is?

828
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 7: Right?

829
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: And the alternative for me to make it super clear

830
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: that that's not what it is is to dog.

831
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 4: You and you don't want to do that.

832
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: And why would like, why am I? Because then if

833
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: I do that, oh, he's an asshole. It's like, how

834
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: about you just like accept the reality of the situation

835
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 1: or don't the other thing? Right? Women think they can

836
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: change your mind through pussy and enough of it, and

837
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: pussy's powerful though. Nah, but I'm saying, but it's like

838
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: that's why I said, but enough of stubborn women who

839
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: be thinking they too pretty to get curved. Yeah, it's

840
00:36:53,680 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: like it's like, it's like I understand that you lived

841
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: this life where you turned down man and the one

842
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: you went after he's like, all right, cool, and it's

843
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: not girlfriend shit for him, and so now you're feeling like,

844
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: all right, watch why I put this pussy on you

845
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: for six months.

846
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 4: And then but then when his mind doesn't change, Yeah,

847
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 4: now he's the bad guy.

848
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: He told you what it was. Yeah, he didn't switch up.

849
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: You switched up because at the beginning you said, no,

850
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: I get what's going on, or I know, I know

851
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: it's not that it's pussy. You know what I'm saying.

852
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: Even if it's even if she can offer more, it's

853
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: like if it's like, if that's all I want out

854
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: of this situation right now, that's the only place emotionally

855
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: I'm available for right now. And I tell you that

856
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: from the get go. If in six months I still

857
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: feel the same. Yeah, that's not my fault.

858
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:44,919
Speaker 4: Knock.

859
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: You didn't have to stick around. I told you what

860
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: it was.

861
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 4: Hey, Rory, look, you know I'm not their strategy guy.

862
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,720
Speaker 5: But you know this is a conversation we had last episode,

863
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 5: and you and DeMars called me toxic when he's saying

864
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 5: exactly what I'm saying. I'm dead honest through the whole shit.

865
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: No, no, See, if you're honest from the jump, then

866
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: it's that men.

867
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 5: Could be an asshole with your honesty. But that doesn't

868
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 5: make you toxic when you lie. Now, you become toxic

869
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 5: when you manipulate.

870
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: That toxic is if I tell you, look, the sky

871
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 1: is red and you think, all right, well, in the

872
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,720
Speaker 1: next six months, I'm gonna get you to think it's blue.

873
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,479
Speaker 1: If in six months I still say it's red, you're

874
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 1: the idiot for thinking you were going to change my mind.

875
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I get it.

876
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: That's why I said, running after someone who don't want you,

877
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: you desert yourself. I've been told you I don't want

878
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: you like that, you still ran after me. That was

879
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 1: on you.

880
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 3: I told you to go get a wrong but no.

881
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 3: But then women will say, but you you still allowed

882
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 3: me to.

883
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: But I allowed you to be in my life and

884
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: the capacity that I told you I was cool with,

885
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: I set the boundary. If I set the boundary and

886
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: you're cool with the boundary, I'm gonna have to assume

887
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: that you're cool with the boundary because if you're like,

888
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: all right, you know what, I got too many feelings

889
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: for you and I can't just keep having sex with

890
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: you without any sort of commitment exclusivity, then that's what

891
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: you're saying. If you would have said that right and

892
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: then I say, well, I can't give you that, then

893
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: we go off separate ways and it's fine and respect

894
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: each other and respect each other. But if I tell

895
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: you this is the boundary, we're not exclusive, you don't

896
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 1: have to be cool with it. And you show up

897
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 1: that tells me by actions you're cool with it. So

898
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: don't pop up in six months like why are you

899
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: doing this? Why? Hold on? Right? You didn't have to partake? Yeah,

900
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like.

901
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 4: What's your ghost game like?

902
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 3: Because you seem like you like you ghost you ghost

903
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 3: women a lot, Like I get that vibe from me,

904
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 3: Like you like you like one of the Ghostbusters, Like

905
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 3: I get that vibe.

906
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 7: I mean I guess just block that. Are you block

907
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 7: if it's too if it's like yo, if it's too

908
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 7: out of control, like it's being too crazy, block for sure.

909
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 1: Block.

910
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 5: I don't know if I I mean, I'm not on

911
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 5: your status. I don't know if I ever had to

912
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 5: block a woman for going to block. I've had to

913
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 5: block numbers, but not like actually like social media and

914
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 5: that ship. I've definitely had the block numbers.

915
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 4: You blocked social media too?

916
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you like because I'm cutting off like all access.

917
00:39:58,600 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 4: Oh you're one of those guys.

918
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. Once it's like once you violated like the boundary

919
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: and you did too much and you just crossed a

920
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: certain line, it's like I'm revoking your access. You no

921
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 1: longer can enter this club.

922
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 5: I mean, that's crazy. I feel like my number is

923
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 5: access to me. I've never felt like social media's access

924
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 5: to me. That's why I've never cared to.

925
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 4: He don't even want to.

926
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 7: He don't even want like like I just don't even

927
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 7: want to see your name pop up anywhere because I

928
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 7: just don't even like that energy.

929
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 3: What's like a line cross Like if a woman does

930
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 3: this entitlement, that's where that's.

931
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 4: He's right there.

932
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: If I just met you.

933
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 4: I'm like that with everybody though men same.

934
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: But if I just met you, I don't even care

935
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: if I just met you. Like this music ship is

936
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: what is what I'm putting over everything. That's how I

937
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: feed my whole family. None of my family has jobs

938
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 1: knowing you feel me, So it's like, this is what

939
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: I have to do. And to be honest, let's keep

940
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: it rough. I wasn't doing this. You wouldn't even know

941
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: me to DM me right, So don't ask Oh, you

942
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: can't step out of this. You can't at least just

943
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: tell me you're in the studio. No, what the why

944
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: do you think I have to tell you what I'm

945
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: doing and give you an einerary.

946
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 5: You didn't tell me you were shooting your only fan

947
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 5: content today, So.

948
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: Especially when you're not my girl, like my family doesn't

949
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: ask me for like, you can't tell me like put

950
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 1: it like this right if my mom, my family, and

951
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: no one has ever asked me, Yo, you can't, like

952
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 1: at least give us a heads up when you're in

953
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: the studio. What the fuck makes you think you who

954
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 1: I've known for less than a year of my twenty

955
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: nine year old life, has any audacity. Get the fuck

956
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 1: out of it. You're just used to men saying how

957
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: high when you say jump? I'm not one of them.

958
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: Go get one of those who's happy to being the

959
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 1: presidence of you know, A seven Like.

960
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 5: It's crazy, like I like this talk, he talking, But

961
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 5: now I'm toxic though even though I said I wasn't.

962
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 4: No, it's still toxic though.

963
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 7: No.

964
00:41:58,040 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: But it's just like I just feel like that's why

965
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: I wrote I Love Me I put out like two

966
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,959
Speaker 1: years ago by boy Wonder, produced by Boy Wonder, because

967
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't think I think men do a

968
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: terrible job at handling rejection for the most part, But

969
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: I also think pretty women who have been deemed desirable

970
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: by the opposite sex on a large scale have a

971
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 1: horrendous time at dealing with rejection because they reject so

972
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 1: often that it's rare for them to go after someone.

973
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 1: And when they do and that one out of their

974
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 1: million dms like doesn't give them what they want, it's

975
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 1: like their whole world crumbles. Their identity is like what

976
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 1: do you what do you mean? I remember I hadn't

977
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: even meta chick, right, never even met this girl? She

978
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 1: DM me the next day swear to God. The next

979
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: day she texts me. She goes, you know, we don't

980
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: have to do all this. You know it's two days

981
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: later she said, we don't have to do all this

982
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: like one text to day. Shit.

983
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 4: I was like, what already putting rules on it?

984
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: Like what? I was like, what do you? What do

985
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: you mean? She's like, you're making it so hard for me.

986
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: I said to do what M never mind? And it's

987
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: because I know what she was trying to get at.

988
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: She was thinking that, Oh was going you, I'm supposed

989
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: to be like, yo, good morning. You're just like I

990
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: don't grand right, Like what like why? Why? Like why

991
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: can I not also just be in like we're getting

992
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: to know each other, not even that, like I haven't

993
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 1: even met you, you text me for one day, already

994
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: trying to set like parameters on.

995
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 4: The you're feeling about something.

996
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, like no, I'm entitled to more than one text

997
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: from you today. That's who, that's who I know. I

998
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 1: know you're you. I'm me right, I know you feel yourself.

999
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:45,439
Speaker 1: I feel myself too.

1000
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 5: But that goes to validity when they compare it to

1001
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 5: a bunch of fucking fake pages and weirdo avvis of

1002
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 5: these dudes saying I'm fucking suck afart out your butt,

1003
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 5: going like and they'd be.

1004
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 4: Like, oh, go get them right exactly.

1005
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 5: But I'm saying they get they get their validity from

1006
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,439
Speaker 5: seeing strangers, say a bunch of ship, and that's where

1007
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,439
Speaker 5: their confidence is built up from. And then they meet

1008
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 5: somebody in person that doesn't need to suck afar out

1009
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 5: your butt to like you, and they have no idea

1010
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,439
Speaker 5: how to operate because their entire validity has came from

1011
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 5: this fucking comments not but it's you.

1012
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 4: Know, it's a lot of a lot of these women

1013
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 4: deal with rappers and.

1014
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 5: Not even gender specific, because I know dudes that how

1015
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 5: do you.

1016
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 3: Deal with example, you meet a girl beautiful and she

1017
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 3: only lets you hit one time and she never speaks

1018
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:33,919
Speaker 3: to you again. I like this dude, fire, I fuck

1019
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 3: with that heavy that's where that's where I you.

1020
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: I fuck with that heavy curve me.

1021
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 4: Oh after one hit, I respect that.

1022
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: I'm not trying a wife.

1023
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:45,240
Speaker 4: I can't take one shot.

1024
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to you.

1025
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 4: I don't need the head shot.

1026
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,720
Speaker 1: If it's the intentions, Yeah.

1027
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 4: But you ain't trying a wife.

1028
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 3: But Russ one smash we just never speak to you again.

1029
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,919
Speaker 5: That's it's not but it's like I gotta I gotta

1030
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 5: double back. It's three condoms in the box. Bro, I

1031
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 5: got no, no, no, no, I'll tell you.

1032
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: Here's the difference. Is it when when you're like single,

1033
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 1: living that life, when I was like doing all that

1034
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: crazy shit, right, I'm not like I almost want that.

1035
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: I want like if that's the time I'm on I'm

1036
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: being single and I'm just out here being like experiencing

1037
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: women at you know, a level and at an access

1038
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,399
Speaker 1: point that I feel like is blessing, like a couple

1039
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:29,479
Speaker 1: of different ones, whatever it is. It's like, nah, we

1040
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,240
Speaker 1: get together once and then you never talk to me again.

1041
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: That's lit. I was going over here tomorrow anyway. That's beautiful.

1042
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: So you're not You're not gonna bother me again, you promise, Like,

1043
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: because I.

1044
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 4: Know what you mean.

1045
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 5: But I'm saying, like, what if it was cool, great vibes,

1046
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 5: the sex was crazy, well, then making your girl friend

1047
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 5: if it's that cool, not.

1048
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 4: After one hit.

1049
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 5: We ain't doing that If I double back after because

1050
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 5: I thought the vibe was so great and then I

1051
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 5: get curved, it's what you're saying.

1052
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 1: Oh, but Yeah, it's like you don't It just shouldn't matter.

1053
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 4: It's just your intention, but you want to know, Like

1054
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 4: then what happened, you wouldn't even want to know.

1055
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: It was probably whack. It's all good, lived to fight

1056
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 1: another day on that one.

1057
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like sometimes you just gotta fuck through the pain.

1058
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 4: It's just like, but if it's good, you gotta That's like,

1059
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 4: that's like.

1060
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: There's too many women out here to be getting hung

1061
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: up on aick. You don't even know.

1062
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, I listen, you're talking to the I'm

1063
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 3: the president of that club. But I'm just saying, like

1064
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 3: I also have been in a situation where it's like

1065
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 3: you meet a girl's beautiful, great vibe.

1066
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: I have a similar situation where it wasn't like, oh

1067
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: got together once and then curved me. It was like

1068
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: we had like a weekend in New York, right, and

1069
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: that's how like we like that was our first time.

1070
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 4: Sounds like a movie. Let me hear this to sound

1071
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 4: like a movie, snowy.

1072
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 1: Problems, Nah, but like we had like a weekend in

1073
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: New York and she was hella cool and we were

1074
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 1: like snowed in, smoking blunts, listening to the marathon. Yeah,

1075
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: fucking Greek food, and she was hella cool, and I remember, like,

1076
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: I guess I just got fucking and sprung for a second.

1077
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: We get back to Atlanta and I'm hitting her kind

1078
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: of on something like yo, what the fund You're not

1079
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 1: gonna tell me about this? Like I was tripping for

1080
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: a second. Yeah, but then I had to catch myself.

1081
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, you're.

1082
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 4: Moving how you're supposed to move, exactly right.

1083
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: So then it was cool, Like you just have to

1084
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: catch yourself. If it's that situation where whoa, you went

1085
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: into this scene, it's gonna be one time she's actually

1086
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: had a cool sex is grade whatever whatever, you maybe

1087
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: want to see her again. But she's like, listen, dude,

1088
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 1: the way I'm moving, that's like.

1089
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,720
Speaker 5: That's like when you go on vacation to an island

1090
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 5: and you have such a good time in three days,

1091
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 5: you're like, I think I could move here.

1092
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: I think I live.

1093
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 5: Like, NOA, you just saw the resort of Jamaica. You

1094
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 5: ain't going You're gonna get robbed like it be those

1095
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 5: like snowed in weekends and those random ships where it's like, damn,

1096
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 5: I'm at a city for three days and I just

1097
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,479
Speaker 5: stayed at her crib. She's into the same shit I'm into.

1098
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 5: But you only saw you saw the resort. You don't

1099
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 5: really know.

1100
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I get it, but I just think that,

1101
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 3: you know, sometimes, you know, you meet somebody like you said,

1102
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 3: you had those moment moments, and it's like but when

1103
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 3: it just like that's it, it's kind of like, damn

1104
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:05,879
Speaker 3: you just as a as a man, you just want

1105
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 3: to know.

1106
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: Okay, it depends on how much work you were putting

1107
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:09,240
Speaker 1: in prior.

1108
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, no, that's that's the dudes go crazy.

1109
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I'm saying if it was just

1110
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: on some like she d MS you, you d m

1111
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: to her back, saying, pull up, y'all, smash. She never

1112
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: hits you again, It's like, oh no, in that situation.

1113
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 5: But that situation can also lead to wife in it.

1114
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 1: Not me.

1115
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 4: That's just not for me.

1116
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 5: Y'all are one of those people you gotta put in

1117
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 5: mad work and that's gonna be wife.

1118
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 4: And you pull up and I hear, I'm not wifing you. No,

1119
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 4: you can hit What if your father is just that

1120
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 4: ILLMF nah, I'm not wifing.

1121
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 1: I ain't know it depends if the intention of the message,

1122
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: If it was only a sex link up.

1123
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying, But then we know what it is.

1124
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 5: Y'all are too cool sometimes those sex link ups where

1125
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 5: y'all think we're just fucking leads, because we both know

1126
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 5: we're just fucking We see each other a lot because

1127
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 5: we feel like it's no strings attached, there's no pressures,

1128
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 5: no anything that can only need to me going I

1129
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 5: kind of.

1130
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 1: Like this, that's what That's what that was my situation.

1131
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: Do you like just the.

1132
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 7: Fact that you just could But that's when I had

1133
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 7: That's how you get to know when there's really no

1134
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:10,919
Speaker 7: strengths to check myself and be like, well, of course

1135
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 7: she's doing that with.

1136
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure.

1137
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: So then that's when you need to be like, all right,

1138
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: let me chill. You know what I mean?

1139
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 4: I like this guy, man, what borrow you was in?

1140
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 1: Uh? Were in Manhattan Lower East Side?

1141
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, he gotta be Manhattan, snowing Greek food, Manhattan. She

1142
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 4: had an apartment, I don't.

1143
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:31,919
Speaker 1: Know, Love Low Hotel used to be my ship. Man.

1144
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 5: Oh man, that's what I got. So that's what legendary

1145
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 5: knights I could see. You kind of held up in

1146
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 5: a one bedroomin Crown Heights with some chick with five

1147
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 5: hundred followers from Brooklyn.

1148
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 3: You seem like the type in Crown Heights. Yeah, nah,

1149
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 3: Russ just keeping in Manhattan, then that's it.

1150
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: I'm keeping it lower east Side in Brooklyn.

1151
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and oh yeah, brook Brooklyn. At Williamsburg. What

1152
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:56,760
Speaker 3: hotels at Willisburg.

1153
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 1: There's a new one, like a new five star boutique

1154
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 1: one right.

1155
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:04,959
Speaker 5: The tall, the real tall one Williamsburg, william Vail Veil.

1156
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 5: That's that's a nice little hotel. The rooms are kind

1157
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 5: of small. You gotta kind of get the sweet But

1158
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 5: that's weird though you live you live in New York.

1159
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 5: Why would you know what the the rooms in the.

1160
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 4: City you live in very interesting. That's a weird weekends,

1161
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 4: you know.

1162
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 1: I was a little staycation, I like to you.

1163
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 4: So that's that's the thing. I like to check out

1164
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 4: rooms in the city.

1165
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 5: Definitely use that corny line with the chicks. You want

1166
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 5: to do a little staycation.

1167
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 4: Those are Florida staycation is a flood though.

1168
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 5: No, but I just didn't want it to come to

1169
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 5: my house. You didn't want to know where I lived.

1170
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 5: That's a little Central Park.

1171
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 4: West that's where I be at.

1172
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,280
Speaker 5: It's where they film Home Alone, one of my spots.

1173
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 5: That's that's one of my spots. Yeah, she got to

1174
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 5: think you a hole if you got a spot, a

1175
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 5: hotel spot in your city.

1176
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 3: Well, women know when you're a hole. They could they know,

1177
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 3: women know. We could try to hide it, but they know. Yeah,

1178
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,280
Speaker 3: you know, then move accordingly?

1179
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 5: Did you what did you think any of your chicks

1180
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 5: was full of ship? When the text you and say,

1181
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 5: YO love the album and you know they don't like

1182
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:02,399
Speaker 5: rap music.

1183
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: They like your song because they only liked the army.

1184
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 5: We can get into this album because I feel like

1185
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 5: we've been talking about everything but which I've liked and

1186
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 5: I've enjoyed.

1187
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 4: Thank you, but uh chop too?

1188
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 5: What made it go to an album rather than the

1189
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 5: EP from the first one?

1190
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: To prove the point more? You know, I think five

1191
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:27,720
Speaker 1: songs like it's like, all right, he can like cool,

1192
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 1: It's like this cute little thing he could rap a

1193
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 1: little bit.

1194
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 4: Fourteen is like all right, hold on, yeah.

1195
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: He's like kind of good at this. You know, it's

1196
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:40,280
Speaker 1: just more, it's more confident. It's it's just it drives

1197
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: the message home more, which is what I was trying

1198
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: to say, is that I can wrap my ass off

1199
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 1: when it comes down to it. That's why I didn't

1200
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: want to produce a lot of it. That's why whenever

1201
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: you see the Chomp brand, it's going to be outside

1202
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: legendary production with outside legendary features, because it's like, who

1203
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: do y'all think is the nicest let's play one on one?

1204
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: This is the closest I can get to play one

1205
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: on one.

1206
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 5: I get that, But do you did you reach out

1207
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 5: to these features with that kind of mentality?

1208
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:12,359
Speaker 1: Hell?

1209
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, because it's definitely the rappers rappers on this ship.

1210
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 5: Yeah sure, But sometimes I feel like when you reach

1211
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 5: out for features, you kind of give the vibe of

1212
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 5: what it is, not the competitive ship, like all right,

1213
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 5: we got this beautiful ninth one to beat, Like, approach

1214
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 5: this verse as if we're making a good one, or

1215
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 5: is if we're trying to outrap each other. That's always

1216
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 5: what it was, because rappers get pissed when they'll hear

1217
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 5: your verse when the album comes out and it's like, oh,

1218
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 5: he was going for real, I was trying to make.

1219
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 4: A good Did you actually do in studio with the features?

1220
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: None? And here's the thing. Every single song I sent,

1221
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 1: except for the Pat Poos. Pat Poos was the only

1222
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: one I didn't. But every single song I sent have

1223
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,359
Speaker 1: my verse on it already. That's how That's how Trump

1224
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: one was because I'm I'm honorable, I'm not stupid.

1225
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:55,399
Speaker 4: Right.

1226
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: If I send y'all just the beat or just the hook,

1227
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: I'm a assuming that you're not going to give me

1228
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 1: a better verse than you would if you heard me

1229
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: rapping for a minute and a half. And how I'm spasing.

1230
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 1: You might give me like at sixteen just to like

1231
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 1: and it goes with the hook. Well nah, this was

1232
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 1: like all right, Like when I said, Jada kids, faith

1233
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: my whole minu and a half verses on there, and

1234
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: he was like, Yo, how long do you need? And

1235
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,959
Speaker 1: I was like, I mean, you can go sixteen twenty four,

1236
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: but like in my head, I'm kind of like I

1237
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: went for a minute and a half, so you might

1238
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 1: want to you might want to body it real quick, guys,

1239
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: I'm going crazy. He sent me back at thirty two

1240
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: and he was like, man, I had to give it

1241
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: thirty two because you were going crazy. And that's even

1242
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 1: how Chomped one was was like I had my verses

1243
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 1: on the songs when I sent them out, and I

1244
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: feel like that helped bring out everyone's best Did you

1245
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: change anything? But you don't want to get bodied by Russ?

1246
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 6: For me?

1247
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 7: I know that, Like I know that, So I'm rapping

1248
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 7: for a minute.

1249
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 4: You better come with Did you change any verses? Though? No,

1250
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 4: you hear everything you can. But did you think about it?

1251
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 4: I know you, but did you think about it?

1252
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: Nah? No one, No one's verse made me think about it.

1253
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: I feel like there's only a couple of people I

1254
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: feel like got me on the album.

1255
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 4: I feel like I bought it everyone who got you?

1256
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,240
Speaker 5: I'm trying to think who I thought.

1257
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 1: If I had to if I had to, really like

1258
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 1: genuinely say who I think got me? Uh, I think

1259
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: Krit got me?

1260
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 4: That was one of mine.

1261
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 1: I like my punchlines more. But Krit just like slid

1262
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 1: on Chrit just slid on it better.

1263
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,280
Speaker 4: Ghosts just because ghost is Ghosts.

1264
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: And I feel like Conway had the hardest verse.

1265
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 4: I like, I think Conway is the best rapper right now.

1266
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, Conway, like Conway's versus one of the hardest verses

1267
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: I've heard in a minute. But no, I love my

1268
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: like I love my punchlines.

1269
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 4: On that win and Ransom's verse was hard.

1270
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 1: Ransom was the other one that I was going to say,

1271
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,720
Speaker 1: I think Ransom was the one that made me think, like, Okay,

1272
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: he maybe got me to.

1273
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 5: Like a remix with Ross one blue Chip with Ransom.

1274
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: You want to see that Ross on that beat would

1275
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,240
Speaker 1: be majority of like when I'm trying to rap Ross

1276
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,919
Speaker 1: on every beat got to get on is incredible Ross

1277
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: on Faith Ross. But I would say, yeah, Ransom, I

1278
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,399
Speaker 1: think Conway might have got me. I think Krit I

1279
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:13,760
Speaker 1: think Pappoos who was close, But I mean Sean, Sean

1280
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: killed it. I don't. I feel like I bodied it,

1281
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: like I like put it like this. You can't say

1282
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:18,720
Speaker 1: I got washed.

1283
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 5: No, I'm biased with Banks.

1284
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 4: I felt Banks.

1285
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: Banks is like my childhood heroes.

1286
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 5: And we're around the same. Maybe, but that's what with

1287
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 5: this whole album. I'm thirty one, and if I were

1288
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 5: to like put together a list of every producer and

1289
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 5: rapper that literally scored my high school experience, it would

1290
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,320
Speaker 5: be this album, like no, literally down to the fucking

1291
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 5: every single feat.

1292
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,760
Speaker 4: One of the best track was Yeah We've Seen.

1293
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 5: But what made me feel good about the ship like

1294
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 5: personally was it didn't sound like six like current and

1295
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 5: I have to give a nod to you on that.

1296
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 5: It did really feel like all these artists that have

1297
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 5: been around for over a decade and these producers have

1298
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 5: been producing for fifteen years, it didn't sound like a

1299
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,919
Speaker 5: fuck they're trying to do the mid two thousand over

1300
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,839
Speaker 5: the shit. Yeah, that's what made me feel so good

1301
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 5: about this project and going into it, Like when you

1302
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,879
Speaker 5: made each record, did you have this list in mind

1303
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 5: and kind of picked like, nah, I want styles on it,

1304
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:19,839
Speaker 5: but let me throw on this one, or.

1305
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a list in mind for sure. I

1306
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 1: knew I wanted the features. That's what's crazy, the features

1307
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: I got on it. I kind of went into it

1308
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 1: as like that that's who I want. If I can

1309
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: get this compilation of producers and features, this is going

1310
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 1: to be crazy. And then like you saying it sounds

1311
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 1: still modern, it's really dope because I think that for me,

1312
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 1: I'm picking the beats obviously out the gate, like high

1313
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: Tech sends eight beats, Being sends eight beats, whoever sends

1314
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 1: eight beats? I'm picking the one first and foremost that

1315
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: I sound good on. Yeah, like that my tone sounds

1316
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 1: going on, so I can deliver my best performance, and

1317
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,720
Speaker 1: I think, naturally it's not going to feel so old

1318
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: you feel me because I'm me and I do melodies

1319
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: and like, you know, you still have to musically feel timeless.

1320
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: So but yeah, man, I like I wanted, I wanted

1321
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 1: who I wanted on. I just had an A and R.

1322
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: I liked based off tones, Like when I heard the

1323
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: salute beat, I was like, man, Westside Gun's tone on

1324
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 1: this people crazy. And then I heard styles p Flow

1325
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 1: saying with like the static selected shit, I was like,

1326
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: sy I would kill this. I was like, you know

1327
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: what else would kill this? Lloyd Banks? But these were

1328
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: all like pipe dreams. I didn't know like half these people.

1329
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 1: Excuse me, like.

1330
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 3: You reached out personally, Oh yeah, solo, Like that's at

1331
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 3: a different level of respect, bro.

1332
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: That's what I'm like. I don't expect anyone to believe that,

1333
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: but I know for me, like what really, what I'm

1334
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 1: really proud of the most with this shit is that

1335
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 1: I really hit these people up. No money, Like, there

1336
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: was not bad conversations, it was yo, I got something

1337
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: I need you on man like and being honored to

1338
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 1: rap with you. Yeah, I'd never talked to krit before.

1339
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 1: I'd never talked to uh uh Lloyd Banks before. I

1340
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: had never talk to Jay Electronica before. You know what

1341
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 1: I'm saying. None of these guys, not none of them

1342
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: Because Jada Kids, ghost Face we had connected, so some

1343
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 1: of them I knew, but like man to j.

1344
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 4: Alex Versu was crazy, too nuts.

1345
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: But to have everyone be down off just the strength

1346
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: of you know, maybe they did it because on me,

1347
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 1: it's mainstream is a different audience. It's just a good look.

1348
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: But I also feel like I give them a lot

1349
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: more credit than that because these are people who I

1350
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: respect on an integrity level, and I feel like they're

1351
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: not just about to hop on some shit that's bullshit,

1352
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 1: even if there was a bag involved, even if I

1353
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: am a pop thing. To them, it's like, nah, I

1354
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 1: barred up.

1355
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 5: I think that's the beauty of the album, because yeah,

1356
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 5: you could say that and that's okay because they don't

1357
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 5: know you personally, like, oh, this would probably be a

1358
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 5: good look for me, and he's rapping for real, Like

1359
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 5: I think you put all these legends kind of in

1360
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 5: the perfect scenario. Ever, I don't have to change how

1361
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 5: I rap and have to look corny trying to keep

1362
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 5: up with like the kids sound, Yeah, but it still

1363
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 5: sounds like like now and this person is relevant with

1364
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 5: the younger generation. Yeah, and he's rapping, so I feel

1365
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 5: a little bit better too.

1366
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 1: No, it's like you don't feel so crazy getting over there,

1367
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 1: even if like Cohl's face kills fans like what are

1368
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,959
Speaker 1: you doing? Fucking? It's like, but when you hear the music,

1369
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: it's like this isn't a read. It's not a read.

1370
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 1: It makes sense, it's an alchemist beat and everyone on

1371
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: here is rapping, like what's the reach about it? You

1372
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: feel me?

1373
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:23,439
Speaker 5: But as like a hip hop nerd this the same

1374
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 5: way I am. Is this your proudest project? Because like

1375
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,439
Speaker 5: the fifteen year old Russ, this would have been.

1376
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: They from a hip hop element?

1377
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, like this was This would have what I would

1378
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 5: have done in my bedroom in high school if I

1379
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 5: had the way to do and I actually did it.

1380
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, man, rapping with Lloyd Banks, that was one

1381
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: of your your dreams. What there was a time like

1382
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 1: when I Eminem was like the first rapper like that,

1383
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: like I got then you know, the bug bit me

1384
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 1: and then it was fifty cents. But then when like

1385
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 1: I was when I discovered Lloyd Banks, like Lloyd Banks

1386
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: was my favorite rapper over fifty and then you know

1387
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, so getting Lloyd, I was like, man,

1388
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 1: this is crazy even seeing him just like post like

1389
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: yo new Russ. I'm like, dog what I was seven?

1390
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,479
Speaker 1: I was seven with like watching g Unit.

1391
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.

1392
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 1: So hell yeah.

1393
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 3: One of the features that didn't make it Royce. We

1394
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 3: just was with him day before yesterday and yeah, was so.

1395
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 5: He was still trying to wrap it. I feel like

1396
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 5: in the control room to uh, I won't say what

1397
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 5: record it is, but it was a song I wanted

1398
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 5: you to say.

1399
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 1: I want to say, yeah, it was a Pat Pooh song.

1400
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 1: I wanted Royce on it. He wanted he wanted to

1401
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 1: get on it.

1402
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 5: Last or two nights ago he was like, man, I

1403
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 5: might just record this ship send it to Russ in surprise.

1404
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 1: It's like, what would I do with this?

1405
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 4: Remix? Said remix it?

1406
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: I know, but it's like I wanted him on it.

1407
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: I wish he would have got on it because he's

1408
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: super busy. Royce is one of those people who like

1409
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 1: depend I disrespect. Yeah, for sure, it's always chomped three.

1410
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 5: But where you saw the risk in this.

1411
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 1: I know.

1412
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 5: I can tell obviously your passion is with hip hop,

1413
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 5: not to say it isn't with any.

1414
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 4: R and B or poppers.

1415
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 5: So but I could tell where you're real list year

1416
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 5: to take that risk at this point in your career.

1417
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 5: I feel like where you're at, Yeah, this is the

1418
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 5: most important time to make those records.

1419
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 4: Aren't that? Aren't this?

1420
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 5: I agree, that's where I respected it just from a

1421
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 5: personal level. Yeah, but if I was your manager, I

1422
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 5: might have been like, no, I don't know if like

1423
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 5: maybe in three years you could do.

1424
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: This, right, this is a risk. That's why I felt

1425
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 1: like it was the coolest shit to do.

1426
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 5: I agree, But that's me. I'm not the regular consumer.

1427
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought it was really cool to do because

1428
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 1: I'm not supposed to do it this like I'm supposed

1429
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: to know I'm supposed to give you all another hit,

1430
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But I got something going

1431
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 1: crazy right now. Seduce went dummy viral and takes that

1432
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 1: thirty forty million streams has been out for two months.

1433
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 1: Like I'll get a plaque off that. Yeah, So that

1434
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 1: just extends the like I've been keeping it tally in

1435
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 1: my head since twenty fourteen, I've put out a song

1436
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 1: every year that went and got a plaque. So since

1437
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, I've put out a song that ended up

1438
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 1: getting a plaque. So Seduce will get a plaque, Ugly

1439
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 1: with Little Baby will get a plagued. I'm not really

1440
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 1: like that shit is cool. Yeah, you know what I'm saying,

1441
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 1: But I also want to let people know that I rap.

1442
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 1: I'm not about to keep playing with me.

1443
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 4: The only problem I have with this is live. Well

1444
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 4: it's not for that though. Yeah, but like if I

1445
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 4: go to a Rush show, I'm gonna want to hear.

1446
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 1: But you're not the RUSS audience, Like, you're not buying that.

1447
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 1: You are not the people who want to hear Bars

1448
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 1: are not buying tickets to a Rush show like that, Okay,

1449
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 1: if you buy tickets to a Rusher. If I buy

1450
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 1: tickets to a Drake show, I better hear my favorite

1451
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 1: Drake songs and chances are my favorite Drake songs are

1452
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: the hits. I don't want to hear too many B sides,

1453
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 1: but I feel like.

1454
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 5: When you do go for the new album sometimes.

1455
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 1: Sometimes but it's like I'm also I'm there for bars.

1456
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 1: I want to hear if you're there for bars. Well, see,

1457
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 1: here's the cool thing. If you're there for bars, if

1458
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 1: you're if you're you and you come to a Rush show,

1459
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 1: you'll catch bars within the hits and you may not

1460
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 1: catch Chomp two songs, but you'll show up wanting to

1461
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 1: hear Chomp two. Maybe hear none of Chomp too, but

1462
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 1: be like damn, but he had bars in he sense

1463
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: the whole time. And so you'd be like, oh, okay,

1464
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 1: I get it because at the same time, I want

1465
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 1: to give you know, a great show, and I know

1466
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 1: what my fans came here to see. You know what

1467
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 1: I'm saying like, and I know what songs treand you

1468
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 1: know my fans would be like, yo, why don't you

1469
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 1: perform this? I'm like because it has two million streams. Yeah,

1470
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 1: and you'll be looking at me like I'm nuts.

1471
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 5: No, is there a world where you do like one

1472
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 5: offs of like Russ and Friends, Because if you look

1473
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 5: at this featureless, everyone either lives in La New York

1474
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 5: or Atlanta. Yeah, there are three spots tits where it's

1475
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 5: just Russ and Friend and you can fly.

1476
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 1: I've thought about like something yeah like that where it's

1477
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 1: clear off the promotion and the flyer alone. If you're

1478
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 1: buying a ticket is to hear these bars. You know

1479
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Yeah, for sure, because I have I

1480
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 1: have so much music that if I just say I'm

1481
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 1: doing the show, you're assuming I'm doing the twenty forty

1482
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 1: songs with class that you know.

1483
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 5: So do you think you'll ever have to get in

1484
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 5: that space that Drake has spoken about when people bring

1485
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 5: up like, oh, we need that classic album that's not

1486
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 5: a double disc, or.

1487
01:03:57,920 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 1: I just get out to you that's why I did that.

1488
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 5: Well, no, I'm saying, and he feels like he can't

1489
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 5: because he has such a wide fan base, he has

1490
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 5: to put something on the album for everybody. Can't he

1491
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 5: can't do this.

1492
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 1: I disagree with that so much. Like instead of dark

1493
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 1: lame demos, if Drake did a Chomp, I feel like

1494
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 1: that would.

1495
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 4: Have meant more just straight baars.

1496
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 1: Just that would have meant and he knows that. I

1497
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 1: feel like when he said on Scorpion, a classic is

1498
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 1: just ten of these, It's like Side A of Scorpion

1499
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 1: is Chomp. You know what I'm saying. Like, I feel like, bro,

1500
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 1: the freedom that I like unlocked myself with this project

1501
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 1: because I was like, you know what if I do

1502
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 1: five songs, that's you're scared. You're scared because you're scared

1503
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 1: of You're scared of actually jumping in with two feet

1504
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 1: and saying, nah, this is the album that I want

1505
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 1: to put out right now. You want it to feel

1506
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 1: like just some side thing that you do because you

1507
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 1: don't want people to take it that serious. It's like, nah,

1508
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 1: I do this, I do this rap shit too, And

1509
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 1: look a month here's an R and B song with

1510
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 1: me and tied at a sign. You know what I'm saying, Like,

1511
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 1: you can still always do that, like the cold following

1512
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 1: that I have, or Drake, people aren't going anywhere. You

1513
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 1: can get the dms all you want, like like where's

1514
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 1: the women's songs? Like tune back in in two weeks.

1515
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 5: A lot of artists don't move it. You in that

1516
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 5: regard freedom record every week for three years. Not every

1517
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 5: artist is like that.

1518
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 1: Well, but if you're scared of what the perception is

1519
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 1: going to be, change it with the music if you

1520
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 1: want to put out. If Drake was scared of like

1521
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 1: damn not saying that, he is like, oh well, I

1522
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 1: can't do the bar thing because I'm not going to

1523
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 1: satisfy the fans who love R and B put out

1524
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 1: an all bars project, and then literally next month put

1525
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 1: out eight songs in the all R and B.

1526
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:45,880
Speaker 5: That's what I thought Scorpion was going to be. By

1527
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 5: the way I thought he was going to put up

1528
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 5: I feel like differently like at different times, and one

1529
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 5: was gonna be all R and B and what was

1530
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 5: gonna all bars?

1531
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 1: Scorpion kind of felt like Chomp with an R and

1532
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 1: B antithesis of it, which is always like I'm Kanye West.

1533
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 1: This is I'm gonna do that project too.

1534
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 4: I vote like it's called Slide Wrap and R and B.

1535
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:06,720
Speaker 4: It's just R and B, just RB.

1536
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 1: The Chomp version. Uh, it's the R and B version

1537
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:13,680
Speaker 1: of Chump. So it's me with like Brian Michael Cox,

1538
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 1: Jermaine Dupree, Usher, genu Wine. You know what I'm saying,

1539
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:19,200
Speaker 1: Keisha Cole.

1540
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 4: This is like, is this happened or is this something

1541
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 4: you're just.

1542
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 1: Been working on it? Yeah, because I want to fuck

1543
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 1: people up. It's like I want you to be able

1544
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 1: to put Chomp to next to Slide and be like,

1545
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 1: all right, this dude's fucking out of his mind. He

1546
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 1: gave us a whole like R and B thing where

1547
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 1: there's no wraps on it. Me and Keisha Cole already

1548
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 1: got it with Keisha Cole. Like, that's what I'm saying.

1549
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 5: Is it all original music? I beg of you to

1550
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 5: not flip all familiar samples that we.

1551
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 1: All know slide like the old nineties. Yeah, just please, No.

1552
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 1: I want and be Cox lives in Atlanta. I want

1553
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 1: the fucking keys. I need to. Yeah, come on, let's

1554
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 1: let's get into this R and B bag.

1555
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:00,240
Speaker 3: What's the what's the what's the dream feature that you

1556
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 3: didn't get yet? And produced by who.

1557
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 1: Drake? Produced by Kanye just as like those are my

1558
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 1: two favorites, you know, but I don't know man. Yeah,

1559
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 1: that's it. That's it. Yeah, the show is happening or

1560
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 1: eminem produced by Dre.

1561
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:23,600
Speaker 4: You know, Okay, that's interesting. Yeah.

1562
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 1: I grew up on like doctor Dre drums and Kanye samples.

1563
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 5: You know.

1564
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:35,240
Speaker 1: That's why my snares be loud as fuck samples. I'm

1565
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 1: sorry Dre group on stores, Dre and Kanye. As far

1566
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 1: as from the production side.

1567
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 5: Highest high of making this album, lowest low of making this.

1568
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 1: Album, highest high was probably getting back getting back to

1569
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 1: j lex Verse maybe was the highest high why because

1570
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 1: I knew it was the hardest one to get, you

1571
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, He doesn't, and it was the

1572
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 1: most Like I don't even know if he remembers this.

1573
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 1: Twenty fifteen, Uh Santos, Wow, CMJ okay is it CMG

1574
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 1: or CMJJ CMJ right, that was still going on. It's

1575
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 1: like twenty fifteen Santos. Santo's party was whatever the fuck

1576
01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:27,720
Speaker 1: it was and who's DJing? I don't even know, bro,

1577
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:29,840
Speaker 1: But I wasn't even I wasn't anything yet, you know

1578
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I just got with Caro Lewis. She

1579
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 1: got me this. You know, I had performed a House

1580
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:38,559
Speaker 1: of Vans, I think in Brooklyn where like Kevin Abstract

1581
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 1: and Alan Kingdom were performing.

1582
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:41,599
Speaker 4: They were lit. You know what I'm saying.

1583
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 1: I was just like that five thousand followers. You know

1584
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:44,439
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.

1585
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 4: That seems like so long ago.

1586
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:49,200
Speaker 1: It's just Santos, you know what I'm saying, Like five

1587
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:52,600
Speaker 1: thousand followers, and I'm opening for Jay Electronica at Santos.

1588
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:53,479
Speaker 4: I was there that night.

1589
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:56,639
Speaker 5: I don't remember you opening, but that's Crazyos.

1590
01:08:56,960 --> 01:09:00,280
Speaker 1: So I'm like on stage no one knows who I am,

1591
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 1: and couple with the fact that I'm up here doing

1592
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:05,639
Speaker 1: like some melody ship and there's some bars in between.

1593
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 7: It's like dog get that we want to exhibit see

1594
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:14,400
Speaker 7: and that's it Broye like exhibiting, right, But it's like

1595
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 7: I didn't get boot off stage.

1596
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 1: I can just tell people didn't fuck with it. But

1597
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 1: so I get off stage, I go into the crowd

1598
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:23,839
Speaker 1: and Jay Lex comes on and I remember Elliott Wilson

1599
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 1: was standing behind me, and I don't even know if

1600
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 1: he remembers this, but I remember turning to him. I'm like, yo,

1601
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 1: I'm rush matter, fuck this whole game up, Like I'm

1602
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 1: just letting you know, like all my way there and

1603
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 1: Jay like trying to perform, and that was that. But

1604
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:38,479
Speaker 1: it was like like I looked up like Jay Elect

1605
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 1: when the exhibit seed dropped, and like interntal minds that,

1606
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, man.

1607
01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:46,000
Speaker 5: It's it's those moments are weird because people like Elliott

1608
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:48,720
Speaker 5: and j Elect and everyone obviously a kid comes to

1609
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:51,760
Speaker 5: they face every single day, of course, but like when

1610
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:55,679
Speaker 5: I they just put Chappelle's Block Party back on Netflix

1611
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 5: and I was watching the other night and like you

1612
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 5: could see j Cole in the front row and.

1613
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 4: Like it's crazy, Like that's crazy, that's nuts.

1614
01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 1: There's no way for you to know that this kid

1615
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:07,320
Speaker 1: coming up to me right now is actually gonna be something.

1616
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 5: But it's weird with those moments. Even though when we

1617
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:14,599
Speaker 5: started the old podcast Walking In for like our second episode,

1618
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 5: it's on camera some kid named Don Tolliver was like, Yo,

1619
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:20,920
Speaker 5: it's this here's my CD wow on fifty fourth Street.

1620
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 4: Like it's from New York. I didn't know it's Don's

1621
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:25,800
Speaker 4: from Houston, so he was just in New York. I guess, yeah.

1622
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 5: Like, it's just certain moments that if you capture on

1623
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:31,639
Speaker 5: camera randomly, it's just weird.

1624
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 3: Well, that's why when you you when you come across

1625
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:36,679
Speaker 3: people like that, it's important to make sure that exchange

1626
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:37,639
Speaker 3: is something positive.

1627
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 1: That's why you just treat everyone nice.

1628
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 4: Exactly. That was some fucking That's why I.

1629
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 1: Said on Chimp too, like people trying to circle back

1630
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:47,720
Speaker 1: and act like that I shouldn't slap him because like

1631
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 1: they only love you when everything is golden. I'm not slow,

1632
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I know this shit is

1633
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:56,599
Speaker 1: fickle and it's temperature based right, you know the type

1634
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 1: of women that dm me went best on Earth dropped

1635
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 1: and Rihanna posted it. M hmm, what's different than okay

1636
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 1: once once the dust settled?

1637
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:04,599
Speaker 4: Right?

1638
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:08,680
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying in same ship with them? Yo?

1639
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 1: You get the text like, Yo, you're killing it right now. Yo,

1640
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:11,920
Speaker 1: we got a link?

1641
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:14,719
Speaker 4: Do we not gonna happen?

1642
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 5: Speaking of twenty fifteen and you being I guess one

1643
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 5: of the major quote unquote SoundCloud rappers.

1644
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:22,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, SoundCloud man.

1645
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 7: People don't give me the SoundCloud rap what because SoundCloud

1646
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:30,680
Speaker 7: rap got this like uzzy CARDI like face.

1647
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:35,640
Speaker 5: To your But I'm a SoundCloud rapper, SoundCloud SoundCloud. That's

1648
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 5: the ironic part of the people that say from the

1649
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:40,720
Speaker 5: SoundCloud era, they wasn't really on SoundCloud. It's like, I'm

1650
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:42,800
Speaker 5: proud to be a sound alright, But for anybody to

1651
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 5: look at you and don't say you SoundCloud, that's my

1652
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 5: whole come up.

1653
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:47,839
Speaker 4: Yeah exactly, that's just stupid.

1654
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 5: I don't want you to shoot on them because I

1655
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 5: really fuck with SoundCloud, but I will be vocal. I

1656
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:54,519
Speaker 5: have talked to them about this, and I think they're

1657
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 5: making some changes. Now, do you feel SoundCloud really dropped

1658
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:02,720
Speaker 5: the ball with the SoundCloud rapper era as far as

1659
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:04,360
Speaker 5: what they could be as a streaming service or what

1660
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 5: they could have been as well not label a distribution company.

1661
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:11,280
Speaker 1: I feel, yeah, man, I feel. Let me word this

1662
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:20,760
Speaker 1: all the way right. SoundCloud provided such a necessary medium

1663
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 1: to like get to fans asap, Like when I was

1664
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:26,720
Speaker 1: coming up, I can make a song, like I can

1665
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:29,559
Speaker 1: make a song right now and upload it to the

1666
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 1: streaming service SoundCloud right now. And that's how it blew

1667
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 1: up because I didn't have to drop on Fridays exactly.

1668
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:38,840
Speaker 1: I would make a song at three am, post it,

1669
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. That was huge. Then Spotify

1670
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:47,120
Speaker 1: Apple come through and make it dummy corporate where things

1671
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:50,439
Speaker 1: need to be delivered and all this shit. And could

1672
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 1: SoundCloud have kind of followed, you know, in suit and

1673
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:59,400
Speaker 1: just became a streaming service, became a DSP in a sense. Sure,

1674
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:02,240
Speaker 1: But I think even when they went to the premium thing,

1675
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:05,920
Speaker 1: it kind of lost what SoundCloud was, which was this

1676
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:07,080
Speaker 1: is the home of the raw shit.

1677
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 4: It's the rabbit hole.

1678
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:10,080
Speaker 1: This is the home of where SoundCloud was, Like you

1679
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 1: go here, I hate you go here. SoundCloud is a

1680
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:15,599
Speaker 1: new Dad Pith absolutely, you know what I'm saying.

1681
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 5: It's even more to the most point of digging in

1682
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:20,800
Speaker 5: the crates because like a lot of the algorithms in

1683
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:23,679
Speaker 5: the playlist on Spotify and Apple even in the early days,

1684
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 5: were still label driven and still connection driven.

1685
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 4: The rabbit hole that you would go through on SoundCloud.

1686
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:33,560
Speaker 5: Those found right, those algorithms were based off the holgorithm

1687
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 5: wave some of the ship Some of my favorite shit

1688
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:38,720
Speaker 5: I found on SoundCloud literally has like seven plays and

1689
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:40,759
Speaker 5: I was listening to something that had two million plays

1690
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:41,719
Speaker 5: for you know how much.

1691
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:44,120
Speaker 1: Ill shit I found on SoundCloud. Y'all know. I don't

1692
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:48,599
Speaker 1: know if y'all know. Chelsea Colors like a hot artist.

1693
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:52,560
Speaker 1: She's ill, but she's been ill for a minute. I

1694
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:56,439
Speaker 1: remember finding her on SoundCloud and she was like at

1695
01:13:56,479 --> 01:14:00,840
Speaker 1: college playing soccer, like in Boston, like Amherst College, Like, yeah,

1696
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:03,640
Speaker 1: I just make these in my room. Yeah, insane. I

1697
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 1: knew like if I had a label back then, I

1698
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 1: would have been you know what I'm saying crazy. But

1699
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:09,599
Speaker 1: now she's like a huge thing, like sold out Red

1700
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 1: Rocks ten thousand. You know what I'm saying. I'm just

1701
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 1: like soundclouds.

1702
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:16,599
Speaker 4: That's something like that is amazing I love like SoundCloud.

1703
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:20,280
Speaker 4: SoundCloud could have had could have done real business, and.

1704
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:23,320
Speaker 1: Real SoundCloud was a label, not even.

1705
01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:27,519
Speaker 5: A distribution company in Hindsight's twenty twenty. I'll never tell them.

1706
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 5: They was living in the moment, so I can't be

1707
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 5: mad at them. I don't want to shoo him on

1708
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 5: that regard Hindsight's twenty twenty. But to have a whole

1709
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:36,840
Speaker 5: genre of music be called the SoundCloud era and never

1710
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:40,160
Speaker 5: had done real business or partnership with those artists.

1711
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean they dropped the ball a little bit

1712
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:42,519
Speaker 4: on that.

1713
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 5: I just feel like that was such a missed opportunity.

1714
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 5: I'm gonna say this allowed this allowed Spotify app on

1715
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:50,920
Speaker 5: everyone to become the status quo.

1716
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:53,559
Speaker 1: Well, this might be bad business practice, so I don't

1717
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 1: expect SoundCloud to listen to this. And I could take

1718
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 1: this back in three minutes. But I feel like they

1719
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 1: should double down. And I think that have in a

1720
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 1: bit of double down on what y'all are, which is

1721
01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 1: this is where you hear I hate you by scissors

1722
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:11,240
Speaker 1: before it drops, right, Okay, like double down on being

1723
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:15,840
Speaker 1: LimeWire that pif double down on it, because guess what

1724
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:18,840
Speaker 1: we go to Spotify? We go to Apple, we don't

1725
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 1: want SoundCloud for that. We want SoundCloud to hear. We

1726
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 1: want to use that to hear the unreleased, the raw shit,

1727
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 1: shit that never makes it. Yeah, and for artists, SoundCloud

1728
01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:30,519
Speaker 1: is still where we can just you know what you're

1729
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 1: pissed at your label up up SoundCloud like still be that?

1730
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:38,639
Speaker 1: Like what SoundCloud? To me, it's it's the same traul

1731
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 1: with artists with humans double down on who you are

1732
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 1: whose SoundCloud is direct to consumer? I compress upload right

1733
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:47,480
Speaker 1: now and upload ninety six songs on my computer and sound.

1734
01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:51,519
Speaker 3: SoundCloud is definitely you know, just for like I said,

1735
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:55,799
Speaker 3: you could be playing somebody listen, somebody has two million plays,

1736
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 3: and then it'll jump into somebody that has ten plays. Yeah,

1737
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:01,080
Speaker 3: and you fall in love with disrecord. You start sending

1738
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 3: to people like yo, who is you heard?

1739
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 4: Dis record? And seeing? Because I think Bryson Tiller blew

1740
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:07,960
Speaker 4: from a SoundCloud, you know, the visually uploaded don't.

1741
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, the visual version of SoundCloud is TikTok because what

1742
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 1: you said, you can go from a million plays to

1743
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:17,599
Speaker 1: someone pops on your page for ten plays. Yeah, bro

1744
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:21,440
Speaker 1: on TikTok. The amount of artists I found on TikTok

1745
01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 1: on my for you page that had a thousand likes

1746
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 1: on the video and then you scroll and then the

1747
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:28,599
Speaker 1: next one has a million. Like It's like the fact

1748
01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 1: that TikTok as an app is putting artists in front

1749
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:33,120
Speaker 1: of my face that have ten likes on their shit

1750
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:34,280
Speaker 1: is crazy.

1751
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:34,599
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1752
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:38,960
Speaker 1: I found so many insane artists, and I always tell people,

1753
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:42,759
Speaker 1: I'm like, look, I was that old dude, like mentally like, TikTok,

1754
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:43,920
Speaker 1: what do I need to be on there? I'm not

1755
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 1: doing dancing? It is what the fun? What do I

1756
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:48,720
Speaker 1: look like? Nah? Name the last artists who blew up

1757
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:52,080
Speaker 1: on Twitter or Instagram. The algorithms are simply not set

1758
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:56,840
Speaker 1: up like that anymore. TikTok is a discovery app. That's

1759
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 1: where people are now getting discovered. You're up and coming

1760
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:01,800
Speaker 1: artists and not flooding TikTok. You're buggings.

1761
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:04,479
Speaker 5: And I swear I don't want to keep shitting on SoundCloud.

1762
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:06,120
Speaker 5: But when we were talking about our shares, there's some

1763
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:09,599
Speaker 5: people that should just be artists and sometimes business isn't

1764
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:09,920
Speaker 5: the way.

1765
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1766
01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:15,760
Speaker 5: During that SoundCloud era, rap shit podcasting started and we

1767
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 5: all went to SoundCloud because they allowed us to use

1768
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:21,200
Speaker 5: that RSS feed that puts it everywhere else. I didn't

1769
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:23,760
Speaker 5: know so my SoundCloud.

1770
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 1: So podcast it really was like a big thing on SoundCloud.

1771
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 5: It was the hub and not only the hub to

1772
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:30,479
Speaker 5: go everywhere else. That's where you uploaded it. And you

1773
01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 5: know this RSS code that puts you on Apple, put

1774
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 5: you on Google, put you a venture on Spotify. It's

1775
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 5: changed now because obviously big business came in. But like

1776
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 5: I feel like, maybe we just owe a thank you

1777
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 5: to SoundCloud because they didn't rape everybody when they That's

1778
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:47,559
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, Like that's they didn't think business, they

1779
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:50,439
Speaker 5: thought art. I feel like it's just part but that's

1780
01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:53,720
Speaker 5: what they like from a business practice. It's maybe not

1781
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:54,599
Speaker 5: a good model.

1782
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 1: They made pod from a SoundCloud is legendary, oh for sure.

1783
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:01,760
Speaker 1: And the second day start trying to become something they're

1784
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:06,800
Speaker 1: not is when they lose brand integrity. Be who you are,

1785
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:09,840
Speaker 1: but you're where artists go to get their rocks off.

1786
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:11,400
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, It's just space for all

1787
01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:13,600
Speaker 4: that other ship you have the platforms and the DSPs for.

1788
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:16,879
Speaker 5: But does that kind of not go against your message

1789
01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:20,719
Speaker 5: of we can still be artists and independent and benefit

1790
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 5: everyone around us and not have to go into the

1791
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:25,880
Speaker 5: machine because I feel like SoundCloud, I don't feel like

1792
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:27,320
Speaker 5: machine from money.

1793
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 1: I think I feel like they could be machine.

1794
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:32,200
Speaker 5: I feel like they could be up there with but

1795
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:34,559
Speaker 5: you think they should sp well. I think if they

1796
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:36,840
Speaker 5: would have went on that trajectory that they were on

1797
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:40,880
Speaker 5: and focused on the SoundCloud eraror and podcasting, Apple would

1798
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 5: have ended up buying them to compete with Spotify. That's

1799
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:45,679
Speaker 5: that's just what I think. But I can see they could.

1800
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:48,360
Speaker 5: They could have been in that conversation. But sound clean

1801
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:51,439
Speaker 5: easy because they had they already had the fucking users Like.

1802
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:54,920
Speaker 1: That's but see, but the users are like Apple the

1803
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 1: hard time. I'm a McDonald's loyal customer because I love

1804
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:01,559
Speaker 1: the double cheeseburgers, and all of a sudden, McDonald's like, well,

1805
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:03,760
Speaker 1: Chick fil a is blowing up. We should stuff just

1806
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 1: chicken sandwiches and that's it.

1807
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, let them do that.

1808
01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:09,760
Speaker 1: Like Tyler Perry has this crazy interview where he says

1809
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:11,639
Speaker 1: Boogat showed up to me the other day. He said

1810
01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:15,280
Speaker 1: Coca Cola didn't change their formula because people like PEPSI.

1811
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:19,080
Speaker 7: It was the really shit I ever heard. Yeah, sound

1812
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:20,600
Speaker 7: Calo just needs to be SoundCloud.

1813
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:22,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's it.

1814
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:25,880
Speaker 1: Just like I don't need to go do songs over

1815
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:31,559
Speaker 1: south Side Beats featuring Little Dirk just because like I

1816
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 1: want to get the approval from that audience. My formula works.

1817
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:38,040
Speaker 1: You know what I need to do is double down

1818
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:40,439
Speaker 1: on my formula. That's all.

1819
01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 5: But don't undervalue your formula because where Apple, Sure, where

1820
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:47,960
Speaker 5: Apple gets ahead in the race is because Apple is

1821
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:53,040
Speaker 5: based off convenience and money. They're into podcasting heavily now

1822
01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:55,599
Speaker 5: because I own this iPhone. They're in the hardware game.

1823
01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:58,320
Speaker 5: They ain't in the podcast game. They're in the convenience game. Yeah,

1824
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:00,679
Speaker 5: like the same you brought up in Donald's. I watched

1825
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:03,200
Speaker 5: that founder shit and he said, I'm not in the

1826
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:05,240
Speaker 5: food business, some of the real estate business, right, So

1827
01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:08,880
Speaker 5: let's gets a similar comparison there. Whereas SoundCloud, I feel

1828
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:11,120
Speaker 5: like had such value in the user that's going to

1829
01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:14,000
Speaker 5: continue to come back because of their platform, and I

1830
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:16,839
Speaker 5: just felt like it was under valia for what SoundCloud

1831
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:19,400
Speaker 5: should have been. Maybe listen, I'm playing Monday Morning Quarterback.

1832
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:21,320
Speaker 4: I don't have right to do this.

1833
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:24,840
Speaker 5: It's just a conversation, but I just feel like SoundCloud

1834
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:27,439
Speaker 5: should be in that conversation because it's meant so much

1835
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 5: to that era, not only with music, with podcasts and

1836
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:33,840
Speaker 5: everything that's relevant now. Everything that Spotify's dumping every dollar

1837
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:38,080
Speaker 5: they have into is what SoundCloud gave us for free.

1838
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:41,040
Speaker 4: They built it, they allowed us to they gave us

1839
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:41,960
Speaker 4: the tools to do the shit.

1840
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 1: I'd have to think more on SoundCloud because I love

1841
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:47,840
Speaker 1: what they represented and what they represent, but I'd have

1842
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:49,760
Speaker 1: to think more on it to think like what could

1843
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:51,040
Speaker 1: have been done SoundCloud?

1844
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:52,280
Speaker 4: You know what they should do? They should do a

1845
01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:53,040
Speaker 4: festival were here.

1846
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 1: That would be hard that some of the dopest artists on.

1847
01:20:57,439 --> 01:20:59,160
Speaker 4: That relevant now.

1848
01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:02,160
Speaker 5: That's still a era of kid like damnat, I'm going

1849
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 5: Dad's genius.

1850
01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 1: And you take the top ten artists like songs like

1851
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:10,280
Speaker 1: if it's Ramble right now, who I love Ramble like

1852
01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 1: you have He's the headline. It's a SoundCloud festival. You

1853
01:21:14,479 --> 01:21:17,439
Speaker 1: you curated like that. You know what I'm saying.

1854
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:19,800
Speaker 3: It was the top artist and then you filter in

1855
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:20,960
Speaker 3: some favorite.

1856
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:22,480
Speaker 1: Those thousand play guys.

1857
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:24,120
Speaker 4: Exactly the same thing.

1858
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:29,040
Speaker 1: Genius dude, Gus. See, this is what we're talking about.

1859
01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:31,080
Speaker 1: Is kind of what I think you were alluding to. Indirectly, like,

1860
01:21:31,080 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 1: would you ever do a show where it's just oh,

1861
01:21:32,479 --> 01:21:36,120
Speaker 1: it's clear that it's bars. It's about creating and cultivating

1862
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:41,640
Speaker 1: events and moments for the sub genres within rap. So

1863
01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:45,120
Speaker 1: Rolling Loud is like if you're popping, you're at Rolling

1864
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:48,559
Speaker 1: Loud right. A SoundCloud festival is like just for the

1865
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:51,439
Speaker 1: SoundCloud artists, absolutely, and that ship is cool. And because

1866
01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:53,840
Speaker 1: guess what, you don't buy a ticket to a SoundCloud

1867
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:57,920
Speaker 1: festival expecting to see Frank Oshin exactly, like you buy

1868
01:21:57,960 --> 01:21:59,600
Speaker 1: it because you want to see Rambule, you know what

1869
01:21:59,640 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 1: I mean.

1870
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 5: And there's such a big leane for it, like you

1871
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:04,519
Speaker 5: look and I'm just making it up. Verizon Fest or

1872
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:06,719
Speaker 5: whatever big ass company is now getting in the festival

1873
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:09,120
Speaker 5: game because it's popular. Then you go to Roots Picnic

1874
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 5: and you let you look at that lineup and you're like, oh,

1875
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:13,960
Speaker 5: I'm going because this is my ship. Yes, it's just

1876
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 5: as big as the Verizon Fest genius.

1877
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:17,320
Speaker 1: That ship is genius as fuck.

1878
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:19,599
Speaker 4: What they should do festival?

1879
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:23,439
Speaker 5: The last question I had because we've we've talked about

1880
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:23,840
Speaker 5: the beauty.

1881
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:25,400
Speaker 4: No, I'm just done last ones on my notes.

1882
01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:31,519
Speaker 7: I don't have much notes like last Rory hit me yesterday.

1883
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:33,080
Speaker 1: He was like, YO, is there anything you want to

1884
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:34,840
Speaker 1: talk about besides the album? I was like, I'd rather

1885
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:36,000
Speaker 1: not know what I'm walking into.

1886
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:39,200
Speaker 5: I asked you that because I've watched some of your

1887
01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:41,960
Speaker 5: interviews and sometimes it looks like you're coming in not

1888
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:44,000
Speaker 5: on an agenda, but you've been thinking about some ship

1889
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 5: in the studio for a year and now finally a

1890
01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:47,120
Speaker 5: mic that's not recording music.

1891
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:51,880
Speaker 1: Out of your face, ready to like bring up any topic.

1892
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:53,840
Speaker 1: I probably have something to say, you feel me.

1893
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:56,320
Speaker 5: We talked about the beauty of independence this entire time,

1894
01:22:56,320 --> 01:23:01,040
Speaker 5: which I've loved. That narrative is spreading, which which is amazing.

1895
01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:03,720
Speaker 5: But I don't think it's for everybody. What do you

1896
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:06,439
Speaker 5: think the negatives of independence are? And what areas do

1897
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:08,880
Speaker 5: you think people explain? Why you don't think it's for everyone?

1898
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:10,600
Speaker 5: Now I can tell you because I think you're for

1899
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:14,559
Speaker 5: sure wrong, because I think I think music people have

1900
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:17,719
Speaker 5: looked at music no longer as I am a lover

1901
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:20,639
Speaker 5: of music. They see something where they can be famous

1902
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:23,800
Speaker 5: and profitable. Okay, so the music is the last thing

1903
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:26,600
Speaker 5: they're looking for. The celebrity and the money, which whatever

1904
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:30,799
Speaker 5: it is, what it is to preach independence is for everyone.

1905
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:32,559
Speaker 5: That kid is going to fall flat on his face.

1906
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 5: He needs a label. He should go right for the

1907
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:41,120
Speaker 5: major label. Not everyone is built for the independent game.

1908
01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:46,000
Speaker 5: Like my manager Benner had one of my favorite quotes

1909
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:49,519
Speaker 5: ever that we repost on Instagram all the time. Don't

1910
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:54,000
Speaker 5: write a check that your skill set can't cash. Yeah,

1911
01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:57,519
Speaker 5: so everyone running around trying to be this independent I'm independent.

1912
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 5: Are you ready to be independent? Maybe it's cool that

1913
01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:02,840
Speaker 5: you go get that money for your family right now,

1914
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:05,120
Speaker 5: because when you do this independent ship, you don't have

1915
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:06,920
Speaker 5: the work ethic or the know how how to do

1916
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 5: this ship, or the passion for it. So you asked, yes,

1917
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:13,760
Speaker 5: go to Universal, go get a terrible deal, take that

1918
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:16,080
Speaker 5: advanced check, get your family straight, and then you need

1919
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 5: to figure out the next.

1920
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:19,080
Speaker 4: Movie that was That was great to say it's subjective.

1921
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:19,840
Speaker 1: I disagree.

1922
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:20,920
Speaker 4: You don't think a million.

1923
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:23,759
Speaker 3: It's objective because if you don't have the work ethic

1924
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:25,760
Speaker 3: but you want to be independent, that's a that's a

1925
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:26,679
Speaker 3: recipe for disaster.

1926
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:28,200
Speaker 1: If you don't have the work at it, you will

1927
01:24:28,240 --> 01:24:31,160
Speaker 1: fail anything in life. But exactly so, so it doesn't

1928
01:24:31,160 --> 01:24:32,080
Speaker 1: matter if you're signed or not.

1929
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:33,320
Speaker 5: That's not true.

1930
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:35,759
Speaker 4: No, if you don't have to work out understand, understand

1931
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:36,400
Speaker 4: what you mean, if you're not.

1932
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:42,040
Speaker 1: Some way something. My opinion is this because I know

1933
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:45,000
Speaker 1: what you're saying where it's like take that advanced check

1934
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:47,920
Speaker 1: if you know, are you prepared to be independent? Because

1935
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:51,840
Speaker 1: independent you gotta fund your ship. My thing is this,

1936
01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:55,599
Speaker 1: if a universal is prepared to give you six hundred grand,

1937
01:24:56,280 --> 01:24:58,679
Speaker 1: that's because they think you're going to make two mili.

1938
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:02,720
Speaker 1: And if they're giving you six hundred grand, chances are

1939
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:07,599
Speaker 1: it's because your catalog is already generating twenty thirty grand

1940
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 1: a month. And so my whole thing is if your

1941
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:13,080
Speaker 1: catalog is already generating enough money where labels are talking

1942
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:15,360
Speaker 1: about that type of bag, because this isn't for the

1943
01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 1: artists who are making ten dollars a month, and you

1944
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 1: know that. It's like when you start when you start

1945
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:24,519
Speaker 1: really seeing, but stay independent until this point when you

1946
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:28,759
Speaker 1: start really seeing the fruits of your labor, and labels

1947
01:25:28,760 --> 01:25:31,120
Speaker 1: are willing to offer you these six figure deals, million

1948
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:35,000
Speaker 1: dollar deals, seven figure deals, it's because you're worth more

1949
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:39,720
Speaker 1: than that. So like, if you're making that money independently

1950
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:42,519
Speaker 1: per month, right, fifty grand a month, that's why they're

1951
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:45,519
Speaker 1: offering you this shit. Chill out for a second, be patient,

1952
01:25:46,160 --> 01:25:51,559
Speaker 1: run up this money independently start you know, I always say,

1953
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:55,680
Speaker 1: try everything. Fund the video yourself, see how far you

1954
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:59,280
Speaker 1: can take it independent. If you feel like personally, after

1955
01:25:59,320 --> 01:26:02,000
Speaker 1: you have been making fifty grand a month indepenalty, labels

1956
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:04,519
Speaker 1: been hounding me, I'm shooting these videos, I feel like

1957
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:06,600
Speaker 1: I'm hitting the ceiling. Then you know what, if you

1958
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:08,559
Speaker 1: feel in your gut you need to go make a deal,

1959
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:10,840
Speaker 1: then make a deal. But at least now that deal

1960
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:15,599
Speaker 1: is favorable because you're not walking into it with shitty leverage. See.

1961
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:18,759
Speaker 1: The difference is if you're getting a deal from Universal

1962
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:20,519
Speaker 1: and it's a bad deal, it's because you have no.

1963
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:24,519
Speaker 5: Leverage, or even you can still have leverageses stupid.

1964
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:26,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, then you're an idiot. If you have leverage

1965
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:28,160
Speaker 1: and you get a bad deal, you're an idiot. You

1966
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:28,639
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.

1967
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:29,400
Speaker 4: It's bad business.

1968
01:26:29,439 --> 01:26:33,439
Speaker 1: It's just bad business. But if you if you are

1969
01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:36,960
Speaker 1: generating income to the point that labels are willing to

1970
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:39,519
Speaker 1: offer you six hundred grand and a million dollars, it's

1971
01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:42,760
Speaker 1: because you're a valuable product and you need to ride

1972
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:44,720
Speaker 1: your way for a little bit longer before you just

1973
01:26:44,840 --> 01:26:47,760
Speaker 1: jump ship, and you also need to define what your

1974
01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:48,519
Speaker 1: intentions are.

1975
01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:51,120
Speaker 3: Talk about that more like if you were ever at

1976
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:54,479
Speaker 3: a spot in your career where you felt like jump stay.

1977
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:57,720
Speaker 1: I jump ship with Columbia July twenty sixteen because I

1978
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:01,000
Speaker 1: wanted radio. This is twenty six so it's a different climate,

1979
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:04,320
Speaker 1: it's a different infrastructure for people listening. It's like Apple

1980
01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:06,479
Speaker 1: Music came out in twenty fifteen for context, you know

1981
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:09,120
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like streaming, even in twenty sixteen, streaming

1982
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:11,120
Speaker 1: was not what it was like I remember what they

1983
01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:13,559
Speaker 1: want being a rap caviar like Tuma put it in there,

1984
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:16,080
Speaker 1: Tuma boss, Like I didn't even know what the fuck

1985
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:18,479
Speaker 1: wrap caviard was. No one knew what that shit was

1986
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:22,680
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen. So I was still looking around the game, like,

1987
01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:24,559
Speaker 1: all right, well, I want to be a massive artist.

1988
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:26,240
Speaker 1: I don't want to be underground. I want to be

1989
01:27:26,240 --> 01:27:28,920
Speaker 1: a massive artist. I'm looking around and I'm noticing what

1990
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:31,320
Speaker 1: everyone who's massive has a label. So I'm like, oh,

1991
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:34,040
Speaker 1: I got to level the playing field. That's the only

1992
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:36,559
Speaker 1: reason why I signed was to level the playing field.

1993
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:39,120
Speaker 1: It wasn't because I needed the money because I was

1994
01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:41,960
Speaker 1: making at that point one hundred grand a month independently,

1995
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:46,839
Speaker 1: like no, like I had everything, Like I'm not even.

1996
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:47,599
Speaker 4: Breaking off producers.

1997
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:51,000
Speaker 1: This is one hundred grand net publisher, one hundred grand

1998
01:27:51,080 --> 01:27:54,280
Speaker 1: net on the master side net you feel me. So

1999
01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:57,519
Speaker 1: it wasn't the money. It was I need to level

2000
01:27:57,520 --> 01:27:59,880
Speaker 1: the playing field because I got to get access into

2001
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:03,920
Speaker 1: radio and certain things that I don't have access to now.

2002
01:28:04,479 --> 01:28:07,519
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty one, if I was an up and

2003
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:09,880
Speaker 1: coming artist making one hundred grand a month, would I signed? No?

2004
01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:15,120
Speaker 5: And I agree there because but my question was different

2005
01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:16,880
Speaker 5: of the artist that's not doing that.

2006
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 1: And well, so let me ask you this question. If

2007
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:22,320
Speaker 1: let's do this. If you're making one hundred grand a

2008
01:28:22,360 --> 01:28:25,160
Speaker 1: month independently in twenty twenty one, we can agree that

2009
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:26,200
Speaker 1: you're not going to sign.

2010
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:28,439
Speaker 5: Of course, not that would be the stupidest thing ever.

2011
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:31,280
Speaker 1: So what monthly income do you suggest them sign that?

2012
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:35,360
Speaker 1: Because here's my here's let me just add this. If

2013
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:39,720
Speaker 1: you're not even making five grand a month independently, then

2014
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:41,839
Speaker 1: I don't even know if a label's offering you anything

2015
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:47,639
Speaker 1: like really substantial, because why would they offer you five

2016
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:51,479
Speaker 1: hundred grand if you can't even prove that you're worth

2017
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:54,320
Speaker 1: five hundred grand. I'm saying, if a label, if you're

2018
01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:56,160
Speaker 1: at the point of your career where a label's offering

2019
01:28:56,160 --> 01:29:00,920
Speaker 1: you five hundred grand, that's because you're making that, or

2020
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:03,200
Speaker 1: your work or your worth that, or they think you're

2021
01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:04,559
Speaker 1: gonna make four times that.

2022
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:06,559
Speaker 5: I think the labels are so out of touch and

2023
01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:09,839
Speaker 5: run on algorithms A and R now is just algorithm

2024
01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:13,320
Speaker 5: and work. Yeah, I mean, if you catch a you know,

2025
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:17,400
Speaker 5: we know, we know. Algorithms don't necessarily mean you're monetizing anything.

2026
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:18,559
Speaker 4: It's a buzz.

2027
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:22,840
Speaker 5: So labels, especially now, and how out of touch they

2028
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:26,519
Speaker 5: are with actual what's really happening, what really has buzz,

2029
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:29,439
Speaker 5: not what just has numbers, what has impact. Yeah, they'll

2030
01:29:29,479 --> 01:29:34,439
Speaker 5: give a crazy deal based off some numbers and data

2031
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:36,439
Speaker 5: for some people that just said, oh no, the data

2032
01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:38,400
Speaker 5: here says right now this is hot. It doesn't mean

2033
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:40,679
Speaker 5: it's going to stay hot. And their dumb asses will

2034
01:29:40,840 --> 01:29:43,400
Speaker 5: invest this much money into an artist. And I'm saying,

2035
01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:45,400
Speaker 5: if you here just to catch a lick and music,

2036
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:46,600
Speaker 5: ain't your passion.

2037
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:50,479
Speaker 4: Go get that lick. Get the lick, because you're going

2038
01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:51,640
Speaker 4: to do it. You don't have the skill set that

2039
01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:52,559
Speaker 4: the independent anyways.

2040
01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:55,840
Speaker 1: Get the long term lick. See the short term lick

2041
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:57,880
Speaker 1: is I caught a song on TikTok that went viral,

2042
01:29:58,280 --> 01:30:01,559
Speaker 1: so RCA gave me a mill for it. Cool, but

2043
01:30:03,080 --> 01:30:05,040
Speaker 1: you're an idiot if you think they're not gonna drop

2044
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:08,560
Speaker 1: you in six months because they never wanted the album.

2045
01:30:08,880 --> 01:30:11,280
Speaker 1: They wanted the rights to the hit song. It's gonna

2046
01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:12,880
Speaker 1: make them a million every year. They gave you a

2047
01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:14,600
Speaker 1: million to make a million every year and cut you

2048
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:17,200
Speaker 1: off eighteen percent. You feel me? So what I'm saying

2049
01:30:17,240 --> 01:30:19,600
Speaker 1: is the long lick is you caught the song that

2050
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:22,360
Speaker 1: went viral to the point that labels are calling dog

2051
01:30:22,640 --> 01:30:25,559
Speaker 1: put rock sand on your own shit, put trap queen

2052
01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:27,599
Speaker 1: on your own shit. Put you know what I'm saying.

2053
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:29,920
Speaker 1: And then guess what. Now you make a million every

2054
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:33,640
Speaker 1: year and they don't, you feel me? And now you

2055
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:36,599
Speaker 1: can at least be financially free and have the peace

2056
01:30:36,640 --> 01:30:39,559
Speaker 1: of mind to sort of figure out your next move

2057
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:42,040
Speaker 1: and navigate because you have that financial freedom where you're

2058
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:43,960
Speaker 1: not stressed the fuck out having to do X, Y

2059
01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:47,960
Speaker 1: and Z like. Financial freedom and peace of mind is

2060
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:51,479
Speaker 1: something that people really undervalue. I've always been able to

2061
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:56,240
Speaker 1: sort of move on my own accord because I'm since

2062
01:30:56,280 --> 01:31:00,280
Speaker 1: I started making money off music indepenalty, I have never

2063
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:01,799
Speaker 1: base the decision off of money.

2064
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:05,760
Speaker 4: Just a beautiful place because I had it, you.

2065
01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:07,599
Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying. I was making one hundred grand

2066
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:12,840
Speaker 1: a month independently before I signed. So I don't do

2067
01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:15,400
Speaker 1: shit based off money. I do shit based off when

2068
01:31:15,439 --> 01:31:18,440
Speaker 1: I want to do it, and artists a lot of times,

2069
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:22,280
Speaker 1: you know, not every good look is a good look,

2070
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:28,680
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And get the financial freedom.

2071
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:31,559
Speaker 1: Get the financial freedom. The label wants to buy your

2072
01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:33,799
Speaker 1: hit song for a million dollars and give you eighteen

2073
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:36,720
Speaker 1: percent of it. After you're recouped, you can upload the

2074
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:41,240
Speaker 1: song and make two million. Agree, And now you're in

2075
01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:45,759
Speaker 1: a place mentally where you're lit. You feel great. You'll

2076
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:48,360
Speaker 1: go crank out another couple fucking ten of them because

2077
01:31:48,360 --> 01:31:52,200
Speaker 1: you're lit. Like imagine if imagine if I was I

2078
01:31:52,280 --> 01:31:54,680
Speaker 1: just think about it sometimes. I'm not gonna say that I

2079
01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:56,800
Speaker 1: think about sometimes. I'm thinking about it right now. If

2080
01:31:56,880 --> 01:31:59,760
Speaker 1: I was fucked up financially because all my shit was

2081
01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:03,920
Speaker 1: tied up with a label, I think me like mister

2082
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:06,400
Speaker 1: looking for approval, I might be on the first jet

2083
01:32:06,439 --> 01:32:09,559
Speaker 1: to La trying to get sessions with him. He man, nah,

2084
01:32:09,560 --> 01:32:11,000
Speaker 1: I gotta catch a fuck ahead to get out of

2085
01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:13,799
Speaker 1: this fucking debt. And you're doing all this weird, stupid

2086
01:32:14,720 --> 01:32:17,719
Speaker 1: creativity now as opposed to like dog like, I'm able

2087
01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:19,880
Speaker 1: to make a Chomp too. I'm able to just go

2088
01:32:19,960 --> 01:32:21,880
Speaker 1: into the studio and do whatever the fuck I want

2089
01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:24,400
Speaker 1: to drop on a Wednesday whatever, you know what I'm saying.

2090
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:27,120
Speaker 1: Like and Chomp two cost me three hundred thousand dollars

2091
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:29,639
Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars out of pocket, you know what I'm saying.

2092
01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:31,759
Speaker 1: I got a billboard going up tonight in Tom Square

2093
01:32:31,920 --> 01:32:33,719
Speaker 1: at eight pm, sixty grand for the hours.

2094
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:34,679
Speaker 4: That's what ours got pushed.

2095
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:36,519
Speaker 5: We got my place by Chop too.

2096
01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:38,840
Speaker 1: We were supposed to go out this week, but it's

2097
01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:46,800
Speaker 1: like it's like dog like. Artists don't understand. Y'all are

2098
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:51,880
Speaker 1: the nucleus, right, We're the nucleus. The whole industry revolves

2099
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:56,599
Speaker 1: around artists. The music business, though, was set up for

2100
01:32:56,680 --> 01:32:59,559
Speaker 1: everyone to get rich except the artist. You gotta think

2101
01:32:59,680 --> 01:33:02,280
Speaker 1: if a lawyer gets five percent, if a business manager

2102
01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:05,559
Speaker 1: gets five and a manager gets twenty, that's thirty percent.

2103
01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:10,639
Speaker 7: Off off rint fucking telling thirty like, god like, let's

2104
01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:13,240
Speaker 7: really break down the map. Of course, a million dollars

2105
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:15,719
Speaker 7: comes in, you think you're lit. Oh at three hundred

2106
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:16,519
Speaker 7: k out of here?

2107
01:33:16,600 --> 01:33:18,439
Speaker 5: Fuck the thirty percent the taxes where you live.

2108
01:33:18,479 --> 01:33:20,559
Speaker 1: Well, now, so you're getting tax on seven hundred grand

2109
01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:23,439
Speaker 1: depending on where you live. Let's just call it forty percent,

2110
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:25,880
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So now we're talking about

2111
01:33:26,120 --> 01:33:31,960
Speaker 1: uh two eighty so three for twenty you have four

2112
01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:34,760
Speaker 1: undred twenty k left after seven hundred thousand, So you

2113
01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:37,160
Speaker 1: netted four hundred twenty thousand on a million dollars. And

2114
01:33:37,200 --> 01:33:41,599
Speaker 1: it's like, dog like, I'm telling you, bro, Please artists,

2115
01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:45,560
Speaker 1: I just encourage every artist watching. I really want to

2116
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:47,960
Speaker 1: make sure my tone and my intention is clear for

2117
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:51,960
Speaker 1: the rest of my career. I understand that, especially with

2118
01:33:52,040 --> 01:33:54,120
Speaker 1: hip hop, it's from a place of the powerful and

2119
01:33:54,120 --> 01:33:57,320
Speaker 1: the power less. Right, the labels have the power, artists

2120
01:33:57,360 --> 01:34:00,479
Speaker 1: don't have power. And sixty grand there's a ton of

2121
01:34:00,479 --> 01:34:03,040
Speaker 1: money to anyone, and it just feels like it's a

2122
01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:03,680
Speaker 1: good thing to do.

2123
01:34:04,280 --> 01:34:04,479
Speaker 6: Man.

2124
01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:07,640
Speaker 1: I promise you, if labels are willing to meet with

2125
01:34:07,720 --> 01:34:11,400
Speaker 1: y'all and offer you certain kind of money, it's because

2126
01:34:11,439 --> 01:34:14,519
Speaker 1: you're a product worth investing in. And how about this

2127
01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:18,080
Speaker 1: investing yourself waited out for another six months? I know

2128
01:34:18,160 --> 01:34:20,679
Speaker 1: that shit is like I understand that I don't understand

2129
01:34:20,680 --> 01:34:24,799
Speaker 1: some of y'all situations. Excuse me, but I do understand

2130
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:28,160
Speaker 1: that if you make your bed, you're gonna have to

2131
01:34:28,240 --> 01:34:30,960
Speaker 1: lay in it. And you can't say it's a bad

2132
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:33,320
Speaker 1: deal just because it was a bad deal for you

2133
01:34:34,280 --> 01:34:37,880
Speaker 1: artists who signed bad deals for who the label I

2134
01:34:37,920 --> 01:34:40,240
Speaker 1: was a great deal? Right of course label did great business,

2135
01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:44,000
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it's like if you

2136
01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:47,000
Speaker 1: just know what you're getting into, Like I see these

2137
01:34:47,080 --> 01:34:49,439
Speaker 1: artists who catch these TikTok songs or whatever, and I'm like,

2138
01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:53,400
Speaker 1: why would you sign? Like I'm looking at seduced right now?

2139
01:34:53,439 --> 01:34:57,320
Speaker 1: For me? Right dog, I've made I mean it came

2140
01:34:57,320 --> 01:35:01,840
Speaker 1: out September twenty fourth. I made two hundred grand off that.

2141
01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:04,640
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I spend zero dollars on it.

2142
01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:07,240
Speaker 1: We made it in my basement. Capella pulled up to

2143
01:35:07,320 --> 01:35:09,760
Speaker 1: the studio. You know what I'm saying. It's like beat

2144
01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:12,600
Speaker 1: with twenty K You feel me, It's like, you know,

2145
01:35:13,560 --> 01:35:18,040
Speaker 1: it's like own your shit. Artists are getting so fucked

2146
01:35:18,040 --> 01:35:21,240
Speaker 1: with these royalty percentages. They're getting eighteen percent at best.

2147
01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:24,280
Speaker 1: You know how crazy that is. And here's the other

2148
01:35:24,280 --> 01:35:26,880
Speaker 1: thing that's crazy. No, here's the other thing that's really crazy.

2149
01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:29,639
Speaker 1: Me and my boy were talking about it, right. Music

2150
01:35:29,720 --> 01:35:31,599
Speaker 1: is one of the like, correct me if I'm wrong,

2151
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:33,840
Speaker 1: If y'all can come up with something else, then go

2152
01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:37,240
Speaker 1: for it. Please. But what other product do you know

2153
01:35:37,360 --> 01:35:42,040
Speaker 1: that besides movies that the budget for it might be

2154
01:35:42,360 --> 01:35:45,200
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty thousand to make the album, you

2155
01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:49,840
Speaker 1: sell it for fourteen dollars? What other product is the

2156
01:35:49,880 --> 01:35:53,120
Speaker 1: cost of goods more than what you sell it for?

2157
01:35:53,439 --> 01:35:55,920
Speaker 1: Like when I sell merch right, the T shirt might

2158
01:35:55,960 --> 01:35:57,799
Speaker 1: cost six dollars to make, we sell it for thirty.

2159
01:35:58,520 --> 01:36:00,479
Speaker 1: If the T shirt costs thirty dollars to make, we

2160
01:36:00,520 --> 01:36:03,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't sell it for two dollars. It's a losing game.

2161
01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:06,400
Speaker 1: Music is like you go to the You know, if

2162
01:36:06,439 --> 01:36:08,920
Speaker 1: you got a rent studio time, you might spend twenty

2163
01:36:08,960 --> 01:36:11,439
Speaker 1: four hundred dollars in the studio for a twelve hour,

2164
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:14,439
Speaker 1: twenty four hour session four granded mixing master. You're six

2165
01:36:14,520 --> 01:36:17,880
Speaker 1: K deep twenty K for the beat tanket whatever. You're

2166
01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:20,559
Speaker 1: thirty forty fifty dollars down the hole and you sold

2167
01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:22,800
Speaker 1: the song for a penny. You know what I'm saying,

2168
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:25,559
Speaker 1: for a dollar crazy, It's crazy. It's not set up

2169
01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:27,760
Speaker 1: for you all to win. So it's not us, you

2170
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:31,639
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And I just found an alternative solution,

2171
01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:35,880
Speaker 1: which is at least own it. You know what I'm saying.

2172
01:36:36,200 --> 01:36:38,439
Speaker 1: It's the pay rates are still fucked up because the

2173
01:36:38,479 --> 01:36:41,000
Speaker 1: cost of goods are more than what you're actually selling

2174
01:36:41,040 --> 01:36:43,200
Speaker 1: it for. But at least own it, dog, because you're

2175
01:36:43,200 --> 01:36:46,400
Speaker 1: telling me, not only is your product being undervalue based

2176
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:48,920
Speaker 1: off the cost of goods, but you don't even own it.

2177
01:36:49,160 --> 01:36:52,120
Speaker 1: You're getting eighteen percent of an already fucked up rate.

2178
01:36:53,160 --> 01:36:55,400
Speaker 3: Man, what do you think about all of the artists

2179
01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:57,920
Speaker 3: that sold their masters and their catalogs like the dream.

2180
01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:02,040
Speaker 1: Ends on what their intention is, you know what I'm saying.

2181
01:37:02,160 --> 01:37:07,320
Speaker 1: If the intention is uh, you know, I'm trying to

2182
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:09,000
Speaker 1: take care of my family right now, like we don't

2183
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:11,679
Speaker 1: know the situation. You know what I'm saying. If it's

2184
01:37:11,680 --> 01:37:13,479
Speaker 1: like I need to take care of my family right now,

2185
01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:15,880
Speaker 1: shit is like fucked up. And if I get a

2186
01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:18,920
Speaker 1: three hundred million dollar check right now. You know, I

2187
01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:20,400
Speaker 1: have people in place that can kind of make it

2188
01:37:20,439 --> 01:37:23,439
Speaker 1: stretch for a couple of generations then like you quote

2189
01:37:23,479 --> 01:37:24,519
Speaker 1: unquote secured the bag.

2190
01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:25,200
Speaker 4: You know.

2191
01:37:25,880 --> 01:37:28,559
Speaker 1: I like the idea personally of being able to hand

2192
01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:33,640
Speaker 1: down masters and because I feel like that's longevity, you know.

2193
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:37,120
Speaker 1: But I'm in talks right now, not that I'm doing it.

2194
01:37:37,160 --> 01:37:38,400
Speaker 1: I just want to know the numbers so I can

2195
01:37:38,479 --> 01:37:42,080
Speaker 1: rap about it. But that's funny.

2196
01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:44,599
Speaker 5: No for real, don't you're not lying here, runs No,

2197
01:37:44,680 --> 01:37:45,000
Speaker 5: for real.

2198
01:37:45,040 --> 01:37:46,160
Speaker 1: I just want to know that. I just want to

2199
01:37:46,200 --> 01:37:49,040
Speaker 1: be able to say, like just turn down one hundred mili. Yeah,

2200
01:37:49,080 --> 01:37:51,760
Speaker 1: because my catalog is crazy because I have more songs

2201
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:53,840
Speaker 1: out than everyone. So when that whole shit was, you

2202
01:37:53,880 --> 01:37:55,800
Speaker 1: know the multiples, right, y'all know the multiples like how

2203
01:37:55,800 --> 01:37:59,559
Speaker 1: they do it. It's like whatever your masters per years

2204
01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:02,840
Speaker 1: making it, It's like you multiply that by twelve, let's

2205
01:38:02,880 --> 01:38:05,919
Speaker 1: call it, and whatever your publishing is making you multiplied

2206
01:38:05,960 --> 01:38:07,479
Speaker 1: by fifteen. It's somewhere around there in ten.

2207
01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:09,880
Speaker 5: It's an equation from I get to the number.

2208
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:12,439
Speaker 1: And that's what they give you. Right, I'm like, dog,

2209
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:17,519
Speaker 1: what like we're talking like nine figure check. I'm not

2210
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:17,920
Speaker 1: taking that.

2211
01:38:18,280 --> 01:38:19,920
Speaker 7: But so I was on the say I want to

2212
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:23,360
Speaker 7: turn it down. I want to know is is it

2213
01:38:23,479 --> 01:38:25,160
Speaker 7: ninety eight? I just want to know what it is

2214
01:38:25,160 --> 01:38:26,000
Speaker 7: like it turn it down.

2215
01:38:26,160 --> 01:38:27,840
Speaker 5: When that shit happened, I was on that page. I

2216
01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:29,400
Speaker 5: was like, why would Dream want to do that? With

2217
01:38:29,479 --> 01:38:32,479
Speaker 5: his catalog and his publishing and his writing credits production, Like,

2218
01:38:32,640 --> 01:38:36,840
Speaker 5: that's crazy. And I had somebody that was involved with

2219
01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:39,439
Speaker 5: everyone that was selling it, and he broke it down

2220
01:38:39,439 --> 01:38:42,000
Speaker 5: a little different lead of me on that capacity. He's like,

2221
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:44,160
Speaker 5: all right, if I could get three hundred million for

2222
01:38:44,600 --> 01:38:49,080
Speaker 5: my family right now, I don't know. We've seen music

2223
01:38:49,120 --> 01:38:52,519
Speaker 5: go from ten dollars down to one penny per song

2224
01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:55,559
Speaker 5: when I die, Who the fuck knows where that's going

2225
01:38:55,600 --> 01:38:58,519
Speaker 5: to go, And who knows if my family at that

2226
01:38:58,640 --> 01:39:01,320
Speaker 5: point is going to know how to run down to

2227
01:39:01,479 --> 01:39:04,320
Speaker 5: get what's old to them for their masters. So if

2228
01:39:04,360 --> 01:39:06,439
Speaker 5: I get three hundred mil right now for my shit,

2229
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:09,519
Speaker 5: I think my family's gonna be all right for a

2230
01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:12,840
Speaker 5: little while instead of trying to guess after I'm dead

2231
01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:14,640
Speaker 5: where music is gonna go and if my family is

2232
01:39:14,680 --> 01:39:16,000
Speaker 5: going to know how to go get the money that

2233
01:39:16,040 --> 01:39:19,000
Speaker 5: they're old for the Masters, and I was like, oh fuck,

2234
01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:19,439
Speaker 5: I get that.

2235
01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:21,160
Speaker 1: And now is the perspective that like one of my

2236
01:39:21,160 --> 01:39:24,160
Speaker 1: best friends have with me too, like because I instantly

2237
01:39:24,160 --> 01:39:25,960
Speaker 1: obviously was like, nah, fuck that, I'm not selling my

2238
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:30,240
Speaker 1: masters and he was like yo, he was like really

2239
01:39:32,240 --> 01:39:34,280
Speaker 1: to bet on you? He was like, another perspective is

2240
01:39:34,600 --> 01:39:39,280
Speaker 1: bet on yourself, meaning meaning Yo, Russ, they want to

2241
01:39:39,280 --> 01:39:40,840
Speaker 1: give you one hundred mil for what you did in

2242
01:39:40,840 --> 01:39:44,479
Speaker 1: your twenties. You don't think you can double that.

2243
01:39:44,400 --> 01:39:46,680
Speaker 5: In your thirties. Yeh, can't do a whole another catalog way.

2244
01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:48,200
Speaker 1: You don't think you're that man. You know what I'm saying.

2245
01:39:48,200 --> 01:39:51,680
Speaker 1: It's like and then you're like, oh, that's interesting. And

2246
01:39:51,720 --> 01:39:54,280
Speaker 1: then also what you're saying, what if music goes down

2247
01:39:54,439 --> 01:39:57,400
Speaker 1: on pay rates and now dreams three hundred million dollar

2248
01:39:57,479 --> 01:40:00,240
Speaker 1: catalog in twenty twenty one is worth twenty million in

2249
01:40:00,280 --> 01:40:02,720
Speaker 1: ten years because of the raids and shit. So it's

2250
01:40:02,720 --> 01:40:06,400
Speaker 1: like it's something to think about. But man, I'm just

2251
01:40:06,439 --> 01:40:07,160
Speaker 1: with ownership.

2252
01:40:07,240 --> 01:40:09,560
Speaker 4: Bro about to say you stay firm with that, and

2253
01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:10,080
Speaker 4: I like that.

2254
01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:13,120
Speaker 1: I can't like and you know what, I'm blessed to

2255
01:40:13,200 --> 01:40:15,880
Speaker 1: have received a lot of money through my hands where

2256
01:40:16,760 --> 01:40:18,640
Speaker 1: I can kind of wrap my head around what I

2257
01:40:18,640 --> 01:40:21,599
Speaker 1: would do even with one hundred million dollars. I don't

2258
01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:23,639
Speaker 1: have a lot of these, you know. I don't feel

2259
01:40:23,640 --> 01:40:24,800
Speaker 1: like I should be judged for I don't have a

2260
01:40:24,840 --> 01:40:27,680
Speaker 1: lot of philanthropic ideas yet. Maybe I haven't met the

2261
01:40:27,760 --> 01:40:31,839
Speaker 1: right people to be inspired. I haven't. I'm not ashamed

2262
01:40:31,840 --> 01:40:35,040
Speaker 1: to say I don't have those philanthropic I'm going to

2263
01:40:35,120 --> 01:40:38,040
Speaker 1: cure world hunger. I just don't. I'm not privy to

2264
01:40:38,080 --> 01:40:39,840
Speaker 1: that type of shit. I'm not educated enough to like

2265
01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:44,200
Speaker 1: whatever it is. I'm not there yet, right, so I've

2266
01:40:44,240 --> 01:40:48,240
Speaker 1: done everything that I wanted to do financially. My mom

2267
01:40:48,360 --> 01:40:51,599
Speaker 1: has houses, and everyone has a car, and everyone is

2268
01:40:52,040 --> 01:40:55,000
Speaker 1: on salary and stipends. Everyone's lit. You know what I'm saying.

2269
01:40:55,520 --> 01:40:58,200
Speaker 1: I look at one hundred million dollars, I'm like, I

2270
01:40:58,240 --> 01:41:01,240
Speaker 1: would spend three million of it and be like, I

2271
01:41:01,240 --> 01:41:05,160
Speaker 1: can't believe I don't own these songs anymore. M because

2272
01:41:05,200 --> 01:41:07,479
Speaker 1: I realistic, Like people who have never had money look

2273
01:41:07,479 --> 01:41:11,120
Speaker 1: at one hundred mill, I would like that dog, you

2274
01:41:11,160 --> 01:41:15,479
Speaker 1: would spend even five or seven and be done with

2275
01:41:15,560 --> 01:41:19,040
Speaker 1: your bucket list and then be sitting there like fuck, I.

2276
01:41:18,960 --> 01:41:19,880
Speaker 4: Don't own that no more.

2277
01:41:19,960 --> 01:41:22,439
Speaker 5: All right, that's not even Let's go back to your

2278
01:41:22,680 --> 01:41:25,720
Speaker 5: merchandise thing and your T shirt, and again I agree

2279
01:41:25,760 --> 01:41:27,240
Speaker 5: with all your independent ship, but I'm just trying to

2280
01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:30,160
Speaker 5: create conversation of the other side where there may be

2281
01:41:30,240 --> 01:41:33,479
Speaker 5: value and not owning everything. Once you sell a T shirt,

2282
01:41:34,360 --> 01:41:38,080
Speaker 5: you don't own it anymore, So what's wrong with some things?

2283
01:41:38,520 --> 01:41:40,439
Speaker 4: That's an ego thing At that point, I don't even

2284
01:41:40,479 --> 01:41:42,080
Speaker 4: own it no more. No I got my value of

2285
01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:43,479
Speaker 4: what I did. You get paid off.

2286
01:41:43,840 --> 01:41:45,880
Speaker 5: So you're saying, after I spend three million, I'm gonna

2287
01:41:45,880 --> 01:41:47,879
Speaker 5: be like, damn, I can't believe I don't own this anymore.

2288
01:41:47,920 --> 01:41:50,720
Speaker 5: But you still have ninety seven million left off the

2289
01:41:50,840 --> 01:41:53,599
Speaker 5: value of what you did. So, yes, you don't own

2290
01:41:53,680 --> 01:41:56,120
Speaker 5: it anymore, but you got the value worth for it.

2291
01:41:56,720 --> 01:41:59,240
Speaker 5: So that to me is kind of like an ego.

2292
01:41:59,280 --> 01:42:02,080
Speaker 5: I don't possess it anymore, and are in art for

2293
01:42:02,120 --> 01:42:03,959
Speaker 5: the most part, is not to be possessed.

2294
01:42:04,640 --> 01:42:05,720
Speaker 4: But it's a little different with that.

2295
01:42:05,800 --> 01:42:08,800
Speaker 1: But because you want it from a business standpoint, it.

2296
01:42:08,760 --> 01:42:11,320
Speaker 5: Should be posed label for sure.

2297
01:42:11,360 --> 01:42:13,400
Speaker 1: But from a business standpoint, I also kind of look

2298
01:42:13,400 --> 01:42:15,680
Speaker 1: at it like, all right, if you give me one

2299
01:42:15,720 --> 01:42:20,680
Speaker 1: hundred million right from my master and publishing catalog. I

2300
01:42:20,720 --> 01:42:23,120
Speaker 1: try to break that down, like how long would it

2301
01:42:23,160 --> 01:42:26,600
Speaker 1: take me to generate one hundred million? And I'm like,

2302
01:42:26,640 --> 01:42:29,880
Speaker 1: all right, if between my masters and my publishing what

2303
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:33,400
Speaker 1: I'm grossing a year, let's call it twenty million, right,

2304
01:42:34,200 --> 01:42:38,280
Speaker 1: all right, it would take me five years? Am I

2305
01:42:38,320 --> 01:42:43,920
Speaker 1: not impatient? See? One hundred million is crazy when you

2306
01:42:43,960 --> 01:42:47,879
Speaker 1: don't get money. Right, when you're getting money, you realize

2307
01:42:47,880 --> 01:42:49,920
Speaker 1: that that's maybe just five years, and you need to

2308
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:53,240
Speaker 1: chill the fuck out, you know what I'm saying, And

2309
01:42:53,280 --> 01:42:55,519
Speaker 1: you also have everything you like, That's what I'm saying.

2310
01:42:55,560 --> 01:42:58,000
Speaker 1: I had it like it wasn't even a thought of

2311
01:42:58,080 --> 01:43:00,600
Speaker 1: considering it. It's just like because I know what I

2312
01:43:00,640 --> 01:43:04,160
Speaker 1: would do with the money, and I know that, like, okay,

2313
01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:06,880
Speaker 1: in five even if it's ten years, I would have

2314
01:43:06,960 --> 01:43:11,080
Speaker 1: grossed that one hundred mili. The difference is they own

2315
01:43:11,160 --> 01:43:14,880
Speaker 1: that shit perpetuity. So after five years, let's say in

2316
01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:17,639
Speaker 1: five years. Here's the other thing to bet on yourself.

2317
01:43:18,360 --> 01:43:21,280
Speaker 1: Who's to say that between now in five years, I'm

2318
01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:23,559
Speaker 1: out the biggest shit in the fucking world and now

2319
01:43:23,560 --> 01:43:26,439
Speaker 1: I'm making forty million year and that one hundred mil

2320
01:43:26,520 --> 01:43:29,840
Speaker 1: was a fucking you lowball left right, I'm not going

2321
01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:31,880
Speaker 1: to bet on that, Like, I'm not going to back that.

2322
01:43:31,960 --> 01:43:34,360
Speaker 1: This is my peak. I'm me, you feel me? So

2323
01:43:35,080 --> 01:43:41,080
Speaker 1: now I'm like, damn, if I could just wait it out,

2324
01:43:41,320 --> 01:43:44,400
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like in five years passes

2325
01:43:44,960 --> 01:43:47,040
Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, now I'm making more than one

2326
01:43:47,080 --> 01:43:48,800
Speaker 1: hundred million five years of past, I'm making more than

2327
01:43:48,800 --> 01:43:52,280
Speaker 1: a hundred million, as opposed to damn, they own my

2328
01:43:52,320 --> 01:43:57,120
Speaker 1: shit forever only only for one hundred mili. Nah, that's

2329
01:43:57,120 --> 01:44:01,960
Speaker 1: crazy to own somebody's catalog forever only four hundred mil.

2330
01:44:02,479 --> 01:44:05,679
Speaker 1: If you might make a billion? How much is Michael

2331
01:44:05,720 --> 01:44:06,920
Speaker 1: Jackson's catalog made? How much?

2332
01:44:06,960 --> 01:44:08,559
Speaker 4: Is like like that's the Beatles.

2333
01:44:08,560 --> 01:44:11,559
Speaker 5: I look at my the Beatles the other way around way.

2334
01:44:11,920 --> 01:44:14,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I look I look at my catalog and

2335
01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:16,439
Speaker 1: I'm like, I got four hundred songs. I'm gonna have

2336
01:44:16,439 --> 01:44:20,840
Speaker 1: a thousand songs out in five seven years. Come on, dog,

2337
01:44:20,840 --> 01:44:22,080
Speaker 1: I'm betting on me, right.

2338
01:44:22,320 --> 01:44:24,120
Speaker 5: I appreciate that. Yeah, No, I get that.

2339
01:44:24,680 --> 01:44:25,200
Speaker 4: It's a tough.

2340
01:44:25,240 --> 01:44:29,639
Speaker 1: It's a tough, but it's like a billing situation where

2341
01:44:29,640 --> 01:44:33,720
Speaker 1: he's like, dummy, older and shit yeah, sold it for

2342
01:44:33,720 --> 01:44:36,920
Speaker 1: four hundred mili. I don't know. You know what I'm saying, Like,

2343
01:44:37,000 --> 01:44:39,360
Speaker 1: I don't know because at that point, you're kind of

2344
01:44:39,400 --> 01:44:42,680
Speaker 1: at the end of your career. Whatever you're making is

2345
01:44:42,760 --> 01:44:45,720
Speaker 1: kind of probably the peak. Like I'm twenty nine, I

2346
01:44:45,760 --> 01:44:48,439
Speaker 1: feel like I'm selling the up and up. I feel

2347
01:44:48,439 --> 01:44:50,880
Speaker 1: like I'm not at my peak yet, right, So whatever

2348
01:44:50,960 --> 01:44:52,640
Speaker 1: number you're giving me right now, I feel it's a

2349
01:44:52,640 --> 01:44:56,439
Speaker 1: lowball because I bet on myself. Bob Dylan, whatever number

2350
01:44:56,479 --> 01:44:59,360
Speaker 1: you're giving him, it's probably probably over. You know what

2351
01:44:59,400 --> 01:45:02,120
Speaker 1: I'm saying, That's what it is. So that's different. But

2352
01:45:02,479 --> 01:45:05,680
Speaker 1: I could you can't tell me that you think my

2353
01:45:05,720 --> 01:45:09,120
Speaker 1: catalog is worth one hundred million. I think my catalog

2354
01:45:09,200 --> 01:45:10,120
Speaker 1: is worth a billion dollars.

2355
01:45:10,160 --> 01:45:12,160
Speaker 5: But that's the beauty of your arrogance that people hate

2356
01:45:12,200 --> 01:45:14,799
Speaker 5: in the beginning, get you at this mentality. That's why

2357
01:45:15,120 --> 01:45:18,519
Speaker 5: that's valuable. I thought this is wrong, but not everybody

2358
01:45:18,560 --> 01:45:21,600
Speaker 5: that's but not everybody is. Here's the difference between you

2359
01:45:21,640 --> 01:45:23,679
Speaker 5: and I and this conversation outside of me just playing

2360
01:45:23,680 --> 01:45:25,599
Speaker 5: Devil's advocate because think it's good conversation. I don't want

2361
01:45:25,640 --> 01:45:30,759
Speaker 5: to to agree because that's corny. You have motivational speaker energy.

2362
01:45:31,080 --> 01:45:33,439
Speaker 5: I have realistic energy.

2363
01:45:34,160 --> 01:45:37,439
Speaker 4: So you think you think everybody, you think everybody could

2364
01:45:37,479 --> 01:45:37,720
Speaker 4: be you.

2365
01:45:39,080 --> 01:45:39,840
Speaker 1: That's not true.

2366
01:45:40,040 --> 01:45:41,559
Speaker 5: Not everyone is going to put the work that you

2367
01:45:41,560 --> 01:45:43,559
Speaker 5: want to put, the skill set that you put in.

2368
01:45:43,640 --> 01:45:46,400
Speaker 5: That's what you think. But that's not true now to me,

2369
01:45:47,080 --> 01:45:49,840
Speaker 5: now to me some people. But I know that's not

2370
01:45:49,960 --> 01:45:55,080
Speaker 5: a good idea, Like all right, it is all right,

2371
01:45:55,240 --> 01:45:56,120
Speaker 5: and I but you think.

2372
01:45:59,560 --> 01:46:03,000
Speaker 4: And subjec yes, depending on yes, come on, but depending

2373
01:46:03,040 --> 01:46:06,240
Speaker 4: on your situation. Like you said, if you need money

2374
01:46:06,400 --> 01:46:08,360
Speaker 4: right now, you gotta sign.

2375
01:46:08,360 --> 01:46:10,760
Speaker 5: You know, I'm never telling a lazy person that they

2376
01:46:10,760 --> 01:46:13,200
Speaker 5: could go be Russ. No, I'm never telling them that question.

2377
01:46:13,280 --> 01:46:15,280
Speaker 1: If you're an artist right now getting offered half a

2378
01:46:15,320 --> 01:46:17,960
Speaker 1: million dollars from a label, chances are it's because you're

2379
01:46:17,960 --> 01:46:20,120
Speaker 1: making some good money, right you sho.

2380
01:46:20,400 --> 01:46:22,479
Speaker 5: Chances are you have a lick in the algorithms and

2381
01:46:22,479 --> 01:46:23,639
Speaker 5: now's your time to cash out.

2382
01:46:23,760 --> 01:46:26,240
Speaker 1: Well, if you have a lick in the algorithm.

2383
01:46:25,720 --> 01:46:28,759
Speaker 4: It's like yourself now get out. We'll see see.

2384
01:46:28,760 --> 01:46:32,040
Speaker 1: But see what you call realistic I call self doubt

2385
01:46:32,080 --> 01:46:34,559
Speaker 1: because you're saying that if you have a lick in

2386
01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:36,320
Speaker 1: the algorithm, and warn is going to give you half

2387
01:46:36,360 --> 01:46:38,960
Speaker 1: a million for it. You should take it because you

2388
01:46:39,040 --> 01:46:41,639
Speaker 1: may not get half a million independent whatever.

2389
01:46:41,479 --> 01:46:44,800
Speaker 5: You're looking after that No, because you're not going.

2390
01:46:44,800 --> 01:46:47,760
Speaker 1: To do and what I'm saying if you own the lick, no,

2391
01:46:47,960 --> 01:46:49,560
Speaker 1: you will make more than half a million that the

2392
01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:50,240
Speaker 1: label's giving you.

2393
01:46:50,280 --> 01:46:52,200
Speaker 5: This is where we're agreeing and disagreeing. Yes, that first

2394
01:46:52,200 --> 01:46:54,000
Speaker 5: thing that gets Warner to want to fuck with you

2395
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:56,600
Speaker 5: off a TikTok. Do not give Warner that TikTok or

2396
01:46:56,600 --> 01:46:57,080
Speaker 5: whatever that is.

2397
01:46:57,080 --> 01:46:58,360
Speaker 1: Well, that's the only reason why they're offering you the

2398
01:46:58,400 --> 01:46:58,960
Speaker 1: five undre k.

2399
01:46:59,080 --> 01:47:00,680
Speaker 5: But you got to say it that point. No, you

2400
01:47:00,720 --> 01:47:03,559
Speaker 5: can't have that, but we can do business moving forward.

2401
01:47:03,760 --> 01:47:05,160
Speaker 5: And I'm telling you the last when they hit you

2402
01:47:05,160 --> 01:47:10,360
Speaker 5: with the label, the label's dumb like people. Everyone thinks

2403
01:47:10,400 --> 01:47:13,360
Speaker 5: labels take advantage of artists, which is extremely true, but

2404
01:47:13,439 --> 01:47:15,600
Speaker 5: labels are all so stupid as well. You could be

2405
01:47:15,640 --> 01:47:18,920
Speaker 5: somebody that right now has never thought about making music

2406
01:47:18,960 --> 01:47:20,800
Speaker 5: once in your entire fucking life. You could be in

2407
01:47:20,840 --> 01:47:23,040
Speaker 5: your room with a MacBook and make a hit record

2408
01:47:23,200 --> 01:47:26,120
Speaker 5: and have no plans on doing that ever again. Oh yeah,

2409
01:47:26,360 --> 01:47:27,560
Speaker 5: and you could go to a label and say you

2410
01:47:27,600 --> 01:47:30,839
Speaker 5: can't get that record, but moving forward, this is my passion.

2411
01:47:31,200 --> 01:47:33,720
Speaker 5: Give me a deal and then take your money and.

2412
01:47:33,760 --> 01:47:34,560
Speaker 4: Leave and move on.

2413
01:47:34,640 --> 01:47:38,240
Speaker 1: And reminds me of is Zach Fox. Y'all know Zach Fox?

2414
01:47:38,960 --> 01:47:39,480
Speaker 4: Yeah?

2415
01:47:39,560 --> 01:47:41,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like this dude from Atlanta is just like a

2416
01:47:41,240 --> 01:47:44,479
Speaker 1: funny guy and like just I felt like started making

2417
01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:46,920
Speaker 1: like songs as like a joke, but they're hard, and

2418
01:47:46,960 --> 01:47:49,360
Speaker 1: I just feel like, if you're a label like this,

2419
01:47:50,080 --> 01:47:51,920
Speaker 1: I just picture like a white dude in a very

2420
01:47:52,000 --> 01:47:55,080
Speaker 1: tight button up who plays softball, he workship, this will

2421
01:47:55,120 --> 01:47:57,880
Speaker 1: be good for our urban audience and like they're like

2422
01:47:58,040 --> 01:47:59,400
Speaker 1: willing to give you know what I'm saying.

2423
01:47:59,439 --> 01:48:02,760
Speaker 5: He's probably because they think because his labels think every

2424
01:48:02,840 --> 01:48:04,720
Speaker 5: artist now can be lilna X, And that's not the

2425
01:48:04,760 --> 01:48:06,680
Speaker 5: case because Lil nas X made a joke record that

2426
01:48:06,720 --> 01:48:09,360
Speaker 5: turned out to be the biggest record in the country.

2427
01:48:09,240 --> 01:48:09,960
Speaker 1: Of all times.

2428
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:13,920
Speaker 4: And Lana's X is a talented self aware of what's

2429
01:48:13,960 --> 01:48:14,160
Speaker 4: going on.

2430
01:48:14,479 --> 01:48:15,639
Speaker 5: Not everyone's Little nas.

2431
01:48:15,600 --> 01:48:19,960
Speaker 1: X, but the craziest story I THOK with Little Heavy No,

2432
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:21,880
Speaker 1: he's not. I think I think he's fired.

2433
01:48:21,960 --> 01:48:24,840
Speaker 5: That's most favorite artists, especially the video with Jack Harlow.

2434
01:48:24,920 --> 01:48:27,799
Speaker 1: I think I think he's an incredible artist. I also

2435
01:48:27,880 --> 01:48:32,680
Speaker 1: admire his fearlessness immensely. What's crazy when Old Town Road

2436
01:48:32,760 --> 01:48:34,519
Speaker 1: was blown up and maybe he sent this DM to

2437
01:48:34,600 --> 01:48:38,559
Speaker 1: like tons of people, I go to like follow him

2438
01:48:38,640 --> 01:48:41,880
Speaker 1: and like sometimes, just like me being me, if I

2439
01:48:41,880 --> 01:48:43,120
Speaker 1: go to follow you, I just go to look at

2440
01:48:43,160 --> 01:48:44,920
Speaker 1: someone's page. I go to the messages just to see

2441
01:48:44,920 --> 01:48:47,240
Speaker 1: if you ever DM me. He had DM me before

2442
01:48:47,280 --> 01:48:52,360
Speaker 1: Old Town Row came out, all caps signed me no,

2443
01:48:52,600 --> 01:48:55,360
Speaker 1: swear to guy on Twitter, swear to guy in my line.

2444
01:48:55,880 --> 01:49:02,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was like, fuck, that's to Elliott Wilson and

2445
01:49:02,479 --> 01:49:04,639
Speaker 5: going the biggest forever.

2446
01:49:06,000 --> 01:49:06,719
Speaker 1: That's the same thing.

2447
01:49:06,720 --> 01:49:07,200
Speaker 4: Going to Elliot.

2448
01:49:07,360 --> 01:49:09,160
Speaker 5: But it's I'm fuck everything.

2449
01:49:09,439 --> 01:49:12,000
Speaker 1: But you know what it's like, what what I'm really

2450
01:49:12,000 --> 01:49:13,880
Speaker 1: proud of is that you were even willing to d

2451
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:14,880
Speaker 1: M me. That that's just a.

2452
01:49:14,920 --> 01:49:17,559
Speaker 5: Lot about me, absolutely, that you tapped in with what

2453
01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:18,160
Speaker 5: was going on.

2454
01:49:18,160 --> 01:49:20,320
Speaker 1: That you were like that, you looked at me like that. Yeah,

2455
01:49:20,360 --> 01:49:22,280
Speaker 1: And like I said, maybe he sent a mass DM.

2456
01:49:22,960 --> 01:49:24,360
Speaker 3: Let me check, let me check my DM, let me

2457
01:49:24,439 --> 01:49:26,439
Speaker 3: check my little No, I'm about to go through my

2458
01:49:26,479 --> 01:49:28,640
Speaker 3: ship now, Okay, what you got going on?

2459
01:49:28,800 --> 01:49:29,439
Speaker 1: Kid? Nah?

2460
01:49:29,439 --> 01:49:33,040
Speaker 5: But yeah, that's what you see, especially for everything we

2461
01:49:33,080 --> 01:49:33,759
Speaker 5: started the label.

2462
01:49:33,800 --> 01:49:35,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, me and Body started the label Diamond do It

2463
01:49:35,880 --> 01:49:37,680
Speaker 1: every Day music and nothing. We actually just signed our

2464
01:49:37,680 --> 01:49:40,800
Speaker 1: first artist, which I found him off TikTok. And he's

2465
01:49:40,960 --> 01:49:44,360
Speaker 1: bar heavy, super bar heavy only raps, you know what

2466
01:49:44,400 --> 01:49:46,519
Speaker 1: I'm saying. He writes songs and melody ship too. But

2467
01:49:46,560 --> 01:49:50,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like TikTok isn't just to like find the

2468
01:49:50,040 --> 01:49:53,160
Speaker 1: next melodic catchy thing. I found this kid and he's

2469
01:49:53,160 --> 01:49:55,519
Speaker 1: fucking bro. The raps are crazy.

2470
01:49:55,560 --> 01:49:58,439
Speaker 5: I'm starting to see that with like the quick content

2471
01:49:58,479 --> 01:50:01,120
Speaker 5: with rappers, like with what Ussell was doing and all

2472
01:50:01,120 --> 01:50:04,000
Speaker 5: that ship. I feel like these quick clips that I

2473
01:50:04,080 --> 01:50:05,280
Speaker 5: G and TikTok are doing.

2474
01:50:06,680 --> 01:50:07,080
Speaker 4: Here.

2475
01:50:07,160 --> 01:50:08,920
Speaker 1: First Russell because you said it was meant to be

2476
01:50:09,040 --> 01:50:10,280
Speaker 1: the Russell's who we signed.

2477
01:50:10,840 --> 01:50:14,840
Speaker 5: Oh y'all sign Yeah, yeah, then y'all got one that one.

2478
01:50:14,920 --> 01:50:17,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, Not because I found him on TikTok and I

2479
01:50:17,439 --> 01:50:19,760
Speaker 1: knew what time it was the raps, but the fact

2480
01:50:19,800 --> 01:50:22,280
Speaker 1: that you just said that because that's where he killed.

2481
01:50:22,360 --> 01:50:24,000
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying. But it's like, that's that's

2482
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:27,479
Speaker 1: what I mean. When you're just rapping hard at fuck

2483
01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:32,360
Speaker 1: and you're saying potent ship and the content is digestible

2484
01:50:32,840 --> 01:50:35,800
Speaker 1: that that dude is a genius. You know for sure

2485
01:50:35,800 --> 01:50:38,360
Speaker 1: that dude is a genius. Russell is a genius. So yeah,

2486
01:50:38,360 --> 01:50:41,240
Speaker 1: we got a we got a situation. Man, He's he's incredible,

2487
01:50:41,280 --> 01:50:44,559
Speaker 1: and I'm just here to like fund you and get

2488
01:50:44,560 --> 01:50:45,960
Speaker 1: out of the way. I was just about to. And

2489
01:50:46,120 --> 01:50:48,840
Speaker 1: that's all it comes down. Because I'm an artist. I

2490
01:50:48,880 --> 01:50:51,320
Speaker 1: know what's going on. Give me money and get the

2491
01:50:51,320 --> 01:50:54,000
Speaker 1: fuck out of the way. So that's all. What like, dog,

2492
01:50:54,200 --> 01:50:57,880
Speaker 1: here's some money, I'll get out of the way. You know.

2493
01:50:58,479 --> 01:51:00,120
Speaker 5: So with everything that you preach and now you're or

2494
01:51:00,160 --> 01:51:03,400
Speaker 5: the label and sign an artists. Obviously I know without

2495
01:51:03,439 --> 01:51:05,160
Speaker 5: even asking that you're not going with the status quo

2496
01:51:05,280 --> 01:51:09,759
Speaker 5: bullshit music contracts. But how do you put your message

2497
01:51:09,840 --> 01:51:12,280
Speaker 5: into your label and the deals that you do with

2498
01:51:12,360 --> 01:51:13,479
Speaker 5: your artists moving forward?

2499
01:51:13,520 --> 01:51:17,439
Speaker 1: They just have ultimate freedom. They own the masters. Yeah, man,

2500
01:51:17,479 --> 01:51:23,040
Speaker 1: it's like I'm I mean, I would be such a

2501
01:51:23,120 --> 01:51:28,200
Speaker 1: ridiculous piece of ship to turn around and kind of

2502
01:51:28,320 --> 01:51:30,960
Speaker 1: go against everything I've been saying for my whole career

2503
01:51:31,000 --> 01:51:34,559
Speaker 1: and turn into the label owner who offers shitty and like, nah,

2504
01:51:34,600 --> 01:51:37,559
Speaker 1: we need creative control, that dog, give me some money.

2505
01:51:40,960 --> 01:51:44,000
Speaker 1: Filiar bro, because it's just like not as much as

2506
01:51:44,000 --> 01:51:48,280
Speaker 1: like as much as you know, like creatively, Oh I

2507
01:51:48,280 --> 01:51:50,920
Speaker 1: want to be involved or whatever. Let me see this one, Roy.

2508
01:51:51,080 --> 01:51:52,519
Speaker 4: This is good. It's a good one. I don't want

2509
01:51:52,520 --> 01:51:56,800
Speaker 4: to give them a but that you dusted that one

2510
01:51:56,840 --> 01:51:57,599
Speaker 4: off already. It's over.

2511
01:51:58,120 --> 01:52:02,000
Speaker 5: That's why, because fuck with one. It's hard to find

2512
01:52:02,400 --> 01:52:03,000
Speaker 5: people that just.

2513
01:52:02,960 --> 01:52:06,320
Speaker 1: Fuck oh, it's just something happens. Savia Blanc takes over

2514
01:52:06,360 --> 01:52:12,000
Speaker 1: your life. But uh, with artists that I'm signing, it's like, Doug,

2515
01:52:12,080 --> 01:52:14,719
Speaker 1: I know what y'all need. Y'all need money, and y'all

2516
01:52:14,720 --> 01:52:20,559
Speaker 1: need time, and y'all need resources. But realistically, I'm only

2517
01:52:20,600 --> 01:52:24,160
Speaker 1: signing artist that I feel like the art is already there.

2518
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:27,240
Speaker 1: You just have to consistently do it and have peace

2519
01:52:27,240 --> 01:52:29,920
Speaker 1: of mind to do it. Meaning that's the big part

2520
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:34,439
Speaker 1: I'm telling you. So here's money. So that bro, this

2521
01:52:34,479 --> 01:52:37,120
Speaker 1: is a crazy story, super short. When me and Bougas

2522
01:52:37,120 --> 01:52:39,640
Speaker 1: were first, like he was getting his studio equipment, my

2523
01:52:39,640 --> 01:52:43,000
Speaker 1: best friends, it's like twenty ten. We go to Guitar Center. Right,

2524
01:52:43,080 --> 01:52:45,639
Speaker 1: one of the employees at Guitar Center tells us something

2525
01:52:45,680 --> 01:52:47,840
Speaker 1: that is stuck with us forever. Because Bugas is co

2526
01:52:47,960 --> 01:52:51,719
Speaker 1: CEO of the label Diamond Right, the guitar center employee

2527
01:52:51,720 --> 01:52:55,080
Speaker 1: tells us make money to make music, don't make music

2528
01:52:55,080 --> 01:53:00,400
Speaker 1: to make money, And it's so true. It's like, Yo,

2529
01:53:01,040 --> 01:53:05,080
Speaker 1: Larussell any artist, like if you are on your shit

2530
01:53:05,240 --> 01:53:06,880
Speaker 1: and you own the means of your production, like you

2531
01:53:06,920 --> 01:53:10,320
Speaker 1: got the studio already, da dada da da Yo, you

2532
01:53:10,439 --> 01:53:13,040
Speaker 1: just need money so that you have the monkey off

2533
01:53:13,080 --> 01:53:15,680
Speaker 1: your back so you can just create freely. And when

2534
01:53:15,720 --> 01:53:17,680
Speaker 1: it comes time to like, Yo, I'll actually want to

2535
01:53:17,680 --> 01:53:20,640
Speaker 1: put ten k to a video then rock out, But

2536
01:53:22,000 --> 01:53:24,120
Speaker 1: I'm not even for the Yo. Let's dump one hundred

2537
01:53:24,200 --> 01:53:29,440
Speaker 1: k into non organic ads bands and shit like that. Nah,

2538
01:53:29,520 --> 01:53:32,880
Speaker 1: this is going to take time, but that's what the

2539
01:53:32,960 --> 01:53:36,360
Speaker 1: money does. Money gives you time because a lot of people,

2540
01:53:36,560 --> 01:53:39,080
Speaker 1: if eight months passed and there's not making any money,

2541
01:53:39,280 --> 01:53:43,280
Speaker 1: they pivot. Nah, music is informed me, nothing shaken, nothing's working. Dog.

2542
01:53:43,640 --> 01:53:46,479
Speaker 1: Here's one hundred k to tell you otherwise you feel me.

2543
01:53:46,880 --> 01:53:49,479
Speaker 1: Now go away for ten months, go get a spot

2544
01:53:49,520 --> 01:53:52,160
Speaker 1: in Atlanta or La shock up for eight months, make

2545
01:53:52,160 --> 01:53:54,880
Speaker 1: the best music of your career. And now, because you're

2546
01:53:54,920 --> 01:53:57,920
Speaker 1: with me and you got a manager that's lit plugged in,

2547
01:53:58,400 --> 01:54:00,640
Speaker 1: now we can move accordingly you feel me. But you

2548
01:54:00,680 --> 01:54:03,200
Speaker 1: need that time as an artist to freely create.

2549
01:54:03,479 --> 01:54:06,920
Speaker 5: Absolutely, And that's the beauty of having the label owner.

2550
01:54:07,040 --> 01:54:09,599
Speaker 5: That's the artist and the business manager. I was saying,

2551
01:54:09,600 --> 01:54:11,720
Speaker 5: the moguls don't really exist the ones that did the

2552
01:54:11,840 --> 01:54:13,840
Speaker 5: art and are the business guys. That's what makes him

2553
01:54:13,840 --> 01:54:16,040
Speaker 5: so important because they know. I've had that hundred k

2554
01:54:16,120 --> 01:54:18,720
Speaker 5: budget and I watched seventy get spent on marketing that

2555
01:54:18,760 --> 01:54:19,559
Speaker 5: didn't fucking matter.

2556
01:54:20,040 --> 01:54:21,519
Speaker 4: So I know when I now sign.

2557
01:54:21,280 --> 01:54:24,000
Speaker 5: An artist, let's figure out where these marketing dollars make

2558
01:54:24,040 --> 01:54:27,120
Speaker 5: sense for you market for the same shit that everyone

2559
01:54:27,320 --> 01:54:28,120
Speaker 5: did in the label.

2560
01:54:28,280 --> 01:54:30,840
Speaker 4: The best marketing is always just good art.

2561
01:54:31,680 --> 01:54:34,200
Speaker 1: See this is what I'm saying. How did y'all find

2562
01:54:34,240 --> 01:54:37,640
Speaker 1: Larussell because having the music?

2563
01:54:37,680 --> 01:54:40,280
Speaker 4: Though? Yeah, absolutely like what sold.

2564
01:54:40,040 --> 01:54:40,480
Speaker 1: You on it?

2565
01:54:41,360 --> 01:54:44,480
Speaker 5: Havaan sent it to me and again, and Hoven knows

2566
01:54:44,520 --> 01:54:46,600
Speaker 5: I sent him stuff. He sends me stuffin's my guy,

2567
01:54:47,160 --> 01:54:49,800
Speaker 5: shout out Tobain. I like stuff he says, don't like

2568
01:54:49,840 --> 01:54:52,440
Speaker 5: stuff he says, and vice versa. He send me LARUSSEO

2569
01:54:52,720 --> 01:54:53,440
Speaker 5: and I liked it.

2570
01:54:53,720 --> 01:54:56,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone does when you hear it. If you don't

2571
01:54:56,320 --> 01:54:57,800
Speaker 1: like it, you don't like he was saying.

2572
01:54:57,840 --> 01:55:00,600
Speaker 5: He was saying it was straight to the point. He he

2573
01:55:00,880 --> 01:55:03,720
Speaker 5: has a tone that is so unique. I talked about

2574
01:55:03,720 --> 01:55:06,040
Speaker 5: a lot when you when he that.

2575
01:55:06,160 --> 01:55:07,600
Speaker 1: It pisces me off. I didn't say it.

2576
01:55:07,680 --> 01:55:09,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so simple. It's that ship.

2577
01:55:10,080 --> 01:55:13,160
Speaker 5: That's It's like when comedians say ship. You're like, that

2578
01:55:14,080 --> 01:55:17,360
Speaker 5: was such a simple like I could have said that

2579
01:55:17,400 --> 01:55:21,440
Speaker 5: and I have the world like and he laughs at

2580
01:55:21,440 --> 01:55:23,120
Speaker 5: it like it's almost like he knows he's that good

2581
01:55:23,120 --> 01:55:25,320
Speaker 5: with him, that's the genius, he laughs.

2582
01:55:25,120 --> 01:55:28,320
Speaker 1: Like because he has simplified the world in his lens

2583
01:55:28,360 --> 01:55:32,720
Speaker 1: so well that he seems like the least confused person ever.

2584
01:55:33,280 --> 01:55:33,840
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

2585
01:55:34,160 --> 01:55:35,080
Speaker 4: I think he's man confused.

2586
01:55:35,120 --> 01:55:39,280
Speaker 1: But yes, but it's like it comes off just like, damn, bro,

2587
01:55:39,360 --> 01:55:43,560
Speaker 1: you summed up this really complex thing as like do

2588
01:55:43,640 --> 01:55:46,760
Speaker 1: that little dance you're doing. You know what I'm saying, Like,

2589
01:55:46,920 --> 01:55:48,360
Speaker 1: that's what like, It's like he has.

2590
01:55:48,280 --> 01:55:50,600
Speaker 5: Little tricks and the stuff he does that will resonate

2591
01:55:50,680 --> 01:55:51,760
Speaker 5: the shitus incredible.

2592
01:55:51,760 --> 01:55:52,440
Speaker 7: I have to.

2593
01:55:53,960 --> 01:55:55,880
Speaker 3: Because I had I had a conversation with about a

2594
01:55:55,920 --> 01:55:57,960
Speaker 3: month ago and he was telling me some things personally

2595
01:55:58,000 --> 01:56:00,240
Speaker 3: that he was dealing with, and I think that that

2596
01:56:00,240 --> 01:56:02,880
Speaker 3: that kind of helped with with what he was dealing with.

2597
01:56:03,600 --> 01:56:06,840
Speaker 1: Bro I'm always bet on artists who are ill and

2598
01:56:06,880 --> 01:56:09,480
Speaker 1: like the position that I'm in right now, well I

2599
01:56:09,560 --> 01:56:12,800
Speaker 1: have money, and like, what come on, Like, let me.

2600
01:56:13,760 --> 01:56:17,360
Speaker 1: If I can't show y'all what I mean by my music,

2601
01:56:17,480 --> 01:56:19,800
Speaker 1: I'll show you what I mean by people's music. Who

2602
01:56:19,880 --> 01:56:22,520
Speaker 1: I bet on? Like, no, this is how I feel,

2603
01:56:22,600 --> 01:56:25,320
Speaker 1: this is what I think should be going on. L Russell. Yeah,

2604
01:56:25,960 --> 01:56:28,080
Speaker 1: LIKEL Russell should be going on right now.

2605
01:56:28,080 --> 01:56:30,640
Speaker 4: For me, it's L Russell and Mez King mess.

2606
01:56:30,840 --> 01:56:32,240
Speaker 1: Like he's the one from North Carolina.

2607
01:56:32,360 --> 01:56:34,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, those are two of the most Like.

2608
01:56:35,120 --> 01:56:38,240
Speaker 5: I thought, he dreams, I mean not, I don't think

2609
01:56:38,240 --> 01:56:41,080
Speaker 5: he's officially with Dreamville, but he shot he directed that

2610
01:56:41,080 --> 01:56:44,080
Speaker 5: that video and that was the first video director. Yeah,

2611
01:56:44,240 --> 01:56:46,760
Speaker 5: but mes engineers, mess raps, he does everything.

2612
01:56:46,800 --> 01:56:49,680
Speaker 3: He's just one of those genius minds. He's super, super

2613
01:56:49,720 --> 01:56:50,280
Speaker 3: solid person.

2614
01:56:50,360 --> 01:56:54,640
Speaker 1: Russell. L. Russell's literally like his brain. I just see

2615
01:56:54,680 --> 01:56:56,440
Speaker 1: so much of myself in him too. And his name,

2616
01:56:56,640 --> 01:56:58,360
Speaker 1: come on, my name is Russell right right?

2617
01:57:01,160 --> 01:57:02,280
Speaker 5: This is so corny.

2618
01:57:03,560 --> 01:57:07,240
Speaker 1: That I know, but it's like, how would I not

2619
01:57:07,720 --> 01:57:09,640
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying now, But it's like, can.

2620
01:57:09,560 --> 01:57:12,840
Speaker 5: You explain my point better with him? You have it,

2621
01:57:12,960 --> 01:57:15,720
Speaker 5: Drake has it. L Russell right away. I heard it,

2622
01:57:15,840 --> 01:57:19,120
Speaker 5: that clear tone where you can understand every conversation easy.

2623
01:57:19,200 --> 01:57:20,080
Speaker 1: It's conversational.

2624
01:57:20,160 --> 01:57:21,600
Speaker 4: You get it soon as you're the first time.

2625
01:57:21,760 --> 01:57:24,200
Speaker 1: It's like it's conversation. It's also the type of beats

2626
01:57:24,200 --> 01:57:24,560
Speaker 1: you pick.

2627
01:57:25,200 --> 01:57:28,360
Speaker 5: Whole has it. I think t I was the first

2628
01:57:28,440 --> 01:57:31,360
Speaker 5: artist in the South obviously outside of Andree you could

2629
01:57:31,400 --> 01:57:34,600
Speaker 5: clearly like hear everything that they're saying.

2630
01:57:34,640 --> 01:57:35,200
Speaker 4: That's tough.

2631
01:57:35,560 --> 01:57:38,520
Speaker 1: It's the type of beats you pick. You animal production.

2632
01:57:38,960 --> 01:57:41,720
Speaker 1: A lot of people are overly produced, you know, because

2633
01:57:41,960 --> 01:57:44,120
Speaker 1: producers are too no knock to je Little Beats. I

2634
01:57:44,120 --> 01:57:45,600
Speaker 1: love Joe Little Beat. But I'm just using that as

2635
01:57:45,640 --> 01:57:48,040
Speaker 1: an example of like a lot of production going on,

2636
01:57:48,480 --> 01:57:53,480
Speaker 1: trying to give a story over. But it's like it's

2637
01:57:53,680 --> 01:57:56,080
Speaker 1: because the beat is sort of the main character, you

2638
01:57:56,080 --> 01:57:58,160
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like that's why I always tell

2639
01:57:58,200 --> 01:58:00,320
Speaker 1: people like, if you listen to my catalog, you may

2640
01:58:00,320 --> 01:58:03,280
Speaker 1: not even think that Russ is an ill producer, but

2641
01:58:03,360 --> 01:58:05,320
Speaker 1: if you heard the beats on my computer, you'd be like,

2642
01:58:05,360 --> 01:58:09,920
Speaker 1: oh shit. And it's because I don't pick what I'm

2643
01:58:09,920 --> 01:58:11,960
Speaker 1: going to make a song out of as far as

2644
01:58:12,160 --> 01:58:14,040
Speaker 1: what are my best beats, I pick what am I

2645
01:58:14,080 --> 01:58:17,520
Speaker 1: going to sound best on? What can I deliver my

2646
01:58:17,560 --> 01:58:20,280
Speaker 1: message on the best. Losing control is not a crazy beat.

2647
01:58:20,320 --> 01:58:21,720
Speaker 1: If you play the beat by myself, what they want

2648
01:58:21,800 --> 01:58:24,280
Speaker 1: is not a crazy but I sound the best on it.

2649
01:58:24,320 --> 01:58:27,080
Speaker 1: That's my pocket, and that's what being an artist is.

2650
01:58:27,080 --> 01:58:29,920
Speaker 1: Instead of ego lifting, you're in the gym, you're lifting

2651
01:58:29,960 --> 01:58:33,280
Speaker 1: up a hundred pound dumbells. You can't relax pick up

2652
01:58:33,320 --> 01:58:35,960
Speaker 1: the fifties. Same with artists who go into the studio

2653
01:58:36,040 --> 01:58:39,520
Speaker 1: and they get played ten beats, and the first eight

2654
01:58:39,560 --> 01:58:43,040
Speaker 1: beats they hate, right because maybe they're not hard to them.

2655
01:58:43,080 --> 01:58:45,200
Speaker 1: The last two beats they love, But then you don't

2656
01:58:45,240 --> 01:58:47,680
Speaker 1: sound good on that. Go get on the beat you

2657
01:58:47,720 --> 01:58:49,480
Speaker 1: sound good on, and you'll be able to make a

2658
01:58:49,520 --> 01:58:51,640
Speaker 1: better song out of those than the ones where the

2659
01:58:51,680 --> 01:58:52,240
Speaker 1: beats are hardest.

2660
01:58:52,600 --> 01:58:54,800
Speaker 5: That's the difference between R and B and rap. I

2661
01:58:54,840 --> 01:58:57,560
Speaker 5: feel like people play beat packs and rappers try to

2662
01:58:57,560 --> 01:58:59,320
Speaker 5: get on the beat they like the most. Where R

2663
01:58:59,360 --> 01:59:01,200
Speaker 5: and B we build around what you're writing and what

2664
01:59:01,400 --> 01:59:03,480
Speaker 5: you're singing. Go in there, do some melodies. Let's just

2665
01:59:03,520 --> 01:59:05,600
Speaker 5: put a guitar, Like, let's just put some drums and

2666
01:59:05,640 --> 01:59:07,760
Speaker 5: then we'll build around what you're doing. And I think

2667
01:59:07,800 --> 01:59:08,960
Speaker 5: more rappers need to do that shit.

2668
01:59:09,040 --> 01:59:17,800
Speaker 1: In fact, Jomp too sounds sounds incredible because I'm always

2669
01:59:17,800 --> 01:59:20,800
Speaker 1: approaching music from the ear test. It has to sound good.

2670
01:59:20,840 --> 01:59:23,000
Speaker 1: I have to sound good on the beat. And even

2671
01:59:23,040 --> 01:59:25,520
Speaker 1: who I decided to put on the beasts, like Mazie

2672
01:59:25,600 --> 01:59:29,080
Speaker 1: sounds incredible on Enjoy the view Po sounds incredible and

2673
01:59:29,440 --> 01:59:32,840
Speaker 1: Jadakiss sounds incredible, like because I know what I'm doing.

2674
01:59:33,480 --> 01:59:35,240
Speaker 1: I produce, and you know what I'm saying, Like, I

2675
01:59:35,280 --> 01:59:38,760
Speaker 1: know what I'm doing, so it sounds incredible. I didn't

2676
01:59:38,800 --> 01:59:42,200
Speaker 1: just say this beat's hardest. Fuck y'all gotta get Jadakiss.

2677
01:59:41,800 --> 01:59:46,000
Speaker 4: On this hy right, you know what I'm saying.

2678
01:59:47,080 --> 01:59:49,600
Speaker 3: But that's the difference in being and having a producer.

2679
01:59:49,720 --> 01:59:53,440
Speaker 3: Mind though, you see the complete picture before it's even done. Yeah,

2680
01:59:53,680 --> 01:59:55,920
Speaker 3: and so you're looking at it through a different lens

2681
01:59:55,920 --> 01:59:56,640
Speaker 3: and a different scope.

2682
01:59:56,720 --> 01:59:59,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, because you have to like that that picture

2683
01:59:59,240 --> 02:00:01,880
Speaker 1: already done and now you're just.

2684
02:00:01,640 --> 02:00:02,120
Speaker 4: To fill it in.

2685
02:00:02,240 --> 02:00:05,520
Speaker 5: That's that's why Kanye became Kanye. It was funny when

2686
02:00:05,520 --> 02:00:07,200
Speaker 5: he went on Drink champs and said that he used

2687
02:00:07,200 --> 02:00:08,040
Speaker 5: the backpack areas like.

2688
02:00:08,000 --> 02:00:08,880
Speaker 4: I didn't even like that ship.

2689
02:00:08,880 --> 02:00:12,800
Speaker 5: I was just using them because the backpackers would look

2690
02:00:12,840 --> 02:00:15,160
Speaker 5: at all these beats and let me tear this ship up.

2691
02:00:15,560 --> 02:00:17,480
Speaker 5: Kanye was looking at that like, let me make this

2692
02:00:17,560 --> 02:00:21,400
Speaker 5: most palatable. Let me make these beats that y'all that

2693
02:00:21,520 --> 02:00:24,520
Speaker 5: Black Stars rhyming on if I made this palatable. These

2694
02:00:24,560 --> 02:00:27,360
Speaker 5: beats are crazy, but I'm gonna make it easy to

2695
02:00:27,440 --> 02:00:32,640
Speaker 5: listen to. That's where he took backpack into mainstream, and I.

2696
02:00:32,640 --> 02:00:35,160
Speaker 1: Like super conversation. It also comes down to the flow,

2697
02:00:36,480 --> 02:00:42,640
Speaker 1: Like the Russell's flow is very you know what I'm saying.

2698
02:00:44,720 --> 02:00:46,880
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like it's very like, but

2699
02:00:47,400 --> 02:00:52,800
Speaker 1: you get it. It's just it's not with the like

2700
02:00:52,840 --> 02:00:54,640
Speaker 1: nobody really talks like you know what I'm saying. It's

2701
02:00:54,680 --> 02:00:56,880
Speaker 1: like it's conversation. That's how my ship is.

2702
02:00:56,920 --> 02:00:57,360
Speaker 4: You feel me.

2703
02:00:57,400 --> 02:01:02,000
Speaker 1: It's like like on fucking faith when I said thank

2704
02:01:02,000 --> 02:01:04,640
Speaker 1: God that I never had to pop appeal to have popupill.

2705
02:01:04,680 --> 02:01:07,040
Speaker 1: It's just not the real I do me, y'all. I'm

2706
02:01:07,080 --> 02:01:10,800
Speaker 1: not giving like, I'm not doing the crazy internal rhymeskin,

2707
02:01:10,840 --> 02:01:12,480
Speaker 1: which as hard as fun. When I get one if

2708
02:01:12,520 --> 02:01:13,840
Speaker 1: I want to get in my wrap back. I was

2709
02:01:13,880 --> 02:01:15,640
Speaker 1: gonna get Tech nine on the ship too. He was

2710
02:01:15,640 --> 02:01:17,960
Speaker 1: gonna get on bucket hat low with papoos, and I

2711
02:01:18,040 --> 02:01:20,360
Speaker 1: was prepared to go nuts. That was the one I

2712
02:01:20,360 --> 02:01:24,680
Speaker 1: would have re read my verse like or added on like, yeah,

2713
02:01:24,720 --> 02:01:26,800
Speaker 1: I were going crazy because I can do that. But

2714
02:01:27,360 --> 02:01:30,920
Speaker 1: as far as what's digestible, it's Nipsy flows, it's Jake

2715
02:01:30,960 --> 02:01:35,400
Speaker 1: Cole flows, it's Drake flows like it's that fucking if

2716
02:01:35,440 --> 02:01:37,560
Speaker 1: they don't know your dreams and they can't shoot them down,

2717
02:01:38,160 --> 02:01:40,160
Speaker 1: it's just you digested, you.

2718
02:01:40,120 --> 02:01:41,280
Speaker 4: Get as soon as you're here. You don't have to

2719
02:01:41,320 --> 02:01:42,000
Speaker 4: keep going back.

2720
02:01:41,840 --> 02:01:44,000
Speaker 1: With it because it sounds like because I'm talking to you,

2721
02:01:44,040 --> 02:01:44,960
Speaker 1: I'm not rapping at you.

2722
02:01:45,000 --> 02:01:46,880
Speaker 5: I'm talking to you, right, And that's why I think

2723
02:01:46,920 --> 02:01:49,360
Speaker 5: the real quote unquote hip hop heads get the shit

2724
02:01:49,440 --> 02:01:52,800
Speaker 5: fucked up. Like Biggie dumbed his rhymes down. His flow

2725
02:01:52,960 --> 02:01:56,400
Speaker 5: was more important than his metaphors. Like Biggie made it

2726
02:01:56,440 --> 02:01:58,840
Speaker 5: easy for you to listen. His flow was consistent. You

2727
02:01:58,880 --> 02:02:00,520
Speaker 5: could understand every word he was saying.

2728
02:02:00,520 --> 02:02:02,520
Speaker 1: He knew what he was seeing. Pak was hall a

2729
02:02:02,640 --> 02:02:03,920
Speaker 1: conversational for sure.

2730
02:02:04,680 --> 02:02:06,600
Speaker 5: His ship like he was really like he was talking,

2731
02:02:08,800 --> 02:02:12,080
Speaker 5: like his shit was so like Lyrisist. He's an amazing artist,

2732
02:02:12,280 --> 02:02:16,040
Speaker 5: He's an amazing communicator. Same with DMX, Like for sure,

2733
02:02:16,120 --> 02:02:19,720
Speaker 5: these people are crazy communicators. Like and I feel like

2734
02:02:20,000 --> 02:02:22,440
Speaker 5: if we're if we're on the mic and we're putting

2735
02:02:22,440 --> 02:02:24,760
Speaker 5: out music and we're using our vocals to impact the world,

2736
02:02:24,760 --> 02:02:27,000
Speaker 5: you have to be good at communication, you know what

2737
02:02:27,000 --> 02:02:27,400
Speaker 5: I'm saying.

2738
02:02:27,400 --> 02:02:29,400
Speaker 1: You got to be good at being able to communicate

2739
02:02:29,400 --> 02:02:32,120
Speaker 1: what you're trying to get across. And I think the

2740
02:02:32,240 --> 02:02:35,440
Speaker 1: really impactful hip hop artists are really great communicators.

2741
02:02:35,840 --> 02:02:38,320
Speaker 3: If somebody never heard of Russ and this is the

2742
02:02:38,440 --> 02:02:41,400
Speaker 3: first time hearing about Russ.

2743
02:02:41,160 --> 02:02:45,360
Speaker 1: Play voicemail, voicemail, Yeah, it's hard as fuck. That's like

2744
02:02:45,400 --> 02:02:47,400
Speaker 1: when people say, what's your favorite song you've ever made?

2745
02:02:47,600 --> 02:02:53,360
Speaker 1: I just always say voicemail It it's my epitome. I

2746
02:02:53,400 --> 02:02:57,840
Speaker 1: guess of like the perfect rap song. Uh. The beat

2747
02:02:57,840 --> 02:03:00,320
Speaker 1: as hard as Fuck is a crazy ass like old

2748
02:03:00,400 --> 02:03:04,160
Speaker 1: seventy sample with hard ass doctor dre type drums on it.

2749
02:03:04,640 --> 02:03:06,840
Speaker 1: The melody on the hook is incredible. It's a hit

2750
02:03:06,880 --> 02:03:09,480
Speaker 1: sounding melody, but the content of the hook is real

2751
02:03:09,520 --> 02:03:12,240
Speaker 1: as fuck, and the verses have bars on them, but

2752
02:03:12,280 --> 02:03:15,280
Speaker 1: it's real life bars, It's just like everything I want.

2753
02:03:15,880 --> 02:03:20,080
Speaker 1: I get to know you instantly and the beast hardest

2754
02:03:20,080 --> 02:03:21,080
Speaker 1: fuck you passed.

2755
02:03:21,160 --> 02:03:23,480
Speaker 3: You passed my airplane test. My airplane test is always

2756
02:03:23,480 --> 02:03:29,120
Speaker 3: listened to. New passed that test too. But I was

2757
02:03:29,120 --> 02:03:32,000
Speaker 3: listening to the project when we were flying to Detroit

2758
02:03:32,000 --> 02:03:35,160
Speaker 3: and flying back. This is a really good project, man,

2759
02:03:35,320 --> 02:03:38,120
Speaker 3: thank you. This is a really really good good project.

2760
02:03:38,120 --> 02:03:40,560
Speaker 3: Like I was surprised. I mean, I know your talent level,

2761
02:03:40,840 --> 02:03:43,760
Speaker 3: that was my question, but just hearing everything, the track,

2762
02:03:43,840 --> 02:03:47,680
Speaker 3: the sequencing, everything, the production, the bars, it was like,

2763
02:03:48,000 --> 02:03:50,520
Speaker 3: this project is really really solid all the way off.

2764
02:03:50,600 --> 02:03:53,200
Speaker 3: Thank you, because sometimes when you finally pull some shit off,

2765
02:03:53,360 --> 02:03:56,040
Speaker 3: it don't work because you wasn't supposed to pull that off, right,

2766
02:03:56,240 --> 02:03:58,640
Speaker 3: that's that loud you pulled some off, Like I can

2767
02:03:58,920 --> 02:03:59,400
Speaker 3: pull this off.

2768
02:03:59,440 --> 02:04:01,640
Speaker 4: It should be whack. You hear like, oh yeah, that's

2769
02:04:01,640 --> 02:04:04,040
Speaker 4: why I pulled it off, because it was whack exactly.

2770
02:04:03,920 --> 02:04:06,720
Speaker 3: This is this is this chomp too. Was really dope, man,

2771
02:04:06,800 --> 02:04:07,800
Speaker 3: really really fucking dope.

2772
02:04:07,800 --> 02:04:10,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, man, I'm just like for me to pull

2773
02:04:10,440 --> 02:04:14,400
Speaker 1: it off independently, fucking independently solo, Like that's what I

2774
02:04:14,440 --> 02:04:17,440
Speaker 1: really mean by independently, like my manager didn't hit anyone up.

2775
02:04:17,920 --> 02:04:21,400
Speaker 1: I was hitting these people up DM like man to

2776
02:04:21,520 --> 02:04:25,280
Speaker 1: pull this project off off of just d ms and texts,

2777
02:04:25,280 --> 02:04:28,080
Speaker 1: off the strength of me being me. That's the ship

2778
02:04:28,120 --> 02:04:28,760
Speaker 1: I'm most proud of.

2779
02:04:28,800 --> 02:04:31,080
Speaker 5: But that that's what I think was so full circle about.

2780
02:04:31,080 --> 02:04:33,280
Speaker 5: When we started this conversation. You told about every day struggle,

2781
02:04:33,320 --> 02:04:35,640
Speaker 5: and you was beefing with other writers and all these

2782
02:04:35,640 --> 02:04:39,200
Speaker 5: people that you wanted validity from. Yeah, this should be

2783
02:04:39,240 --> 02:04:41,920
Speaker 5: the validity. These were all the artists and producers that

2784
02:04:41,960 --> 02:04:42,919
Speaker 5: you always wanted.

2785
02:04:42,720 --> 02:04:43,080
Speaker 4: To work for.

2786
02:04:43,160 --> 02:04:44,600
Speaker 5: You've got the validity you wanted.

2787
02:04:44,680 --> 02:04:46,840
Speaker 1: I know this the real Let you know how we

2788
02:04:46,880 --> 02:04:49,200
Speaker 1: are right, we want what we don't have. Of course,

2789
02:04:49,760 --> 02:04:52,840
Speaker 1: so I got the validity from who I wanted. But

2790
02:04:53,040 --> 02:04:58,800
Speaker 1: how come y'all don't What about y'all? But you know what,

2791
02:04:59,120 --> 02:05:02,120
Speaker 1: It's one of those hum in nature things where if

2792
02:05:02,160 --> 02:05:05,400
Speaker 1: I wasn't ambitious, and if we weren't ambitious as humans

2793
02:05:05,400 --> 02:05:08,440
Speaker 1: as to want something we don't have, we would never develop.

2794
02:05:08,560 --> 02:05:10,920
Speaker 5: But that's that's my biggest fear of being someone that

2795
02:05:10,920 --> 02:05:13,680
Speaker 5: that is so ambitious and fucking psycho in their own

2796
02:05:13,760 --> 02:05:17,120
Speaker 5: brain every moment of the day is the fear of settling.

2797
02:05:17,840 --> 02:05:19,560
Speaker 1: I was going to I was gonna tell you to play.

2798
02:05:19,840 --> 02:05:23,080
Speaker 1: I want to also to what you're saying. I was

2799
02:05:23,120 --> 02:05:26,080
Speaker 1: reading a book the other day, The reallyship ever, that whole,

2800
02:05:26,280 --> 02:05:29,520
Speaker 1: that whole idea of like ambition, not being able to

2801
02:05:29,520 --> 02:05:31,080
Speaker 1: be grateful of what's going on around you.

2802
02:05:31,160 --> 02:05:32,520
Speaker 4: That's my biggest that's my biggest.

2803
02:05:33,760 --> 02:05:35,200
Speaker 1: I'm got to get the whole world. To quote from

2804
02:05:35,200 --> 02:05:37,680
Speaker 1: this book, it's not a bug. It's a feature.

2805
02:05:38,880 --> 02:05:39,520
Speaker 4: Explain more.

2806
02:05:40,600 --> 02:05:42,200
Speaker 1: If it was a bug, right, we look at it.

2807
02:05:42,240 --> 02:05:44,600
Speaker 1: I look at it like a bug sometimes. What's wrong

2808
02:05:44,640 --> 02:05:46,040
Speaker 1: with me? Why can't I just be happy with what

2809
02:05:46,080 --> 02:05:50,200
Speaker 1: I got? It's a feature because if I was so content,

2810
02:05:50,240 --> 02:05:51,720
Speaker 1: happy as a pig and mud with what I got,

2811
02:05:51,720 --> 02:05:54,480
Speaker 1: I would never get more. I want it all. It's

2812
02:05:54,480 --> 02:05:57,720
Speaker 1: a feature. It's a feature. To be dissatisfied, bro, That's

2813
02:05:57,720 --> 02:05:58,200
Speaker 1: how I feel.

2814
02:05:58,240 --> 02:06:02,000
Speaker 5: It's a it's development to be scared to enjoying what,

2815
02:06:02,560 --> 02:06:04,080
Speaker 5: like the ship I was working for I get.

2816
02:06:04,120 --> 02:06:05,320
Speaker 4: I don't get to enjoy the ship that.

2817
02:06:05,600 --> 02:06:08,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, It's like the whole journey is important, of course,

2818
02:06:08,280 --> 02:06:10,080
Speaker 5: I know the journey is the most important part. But

2819
02:06:10,120 --> 02:06:13,120
Speaker 5: at some point we have to appreciate the finish line,

2820
02:06:13,160 --> 02:06:14,720
Speaker 5: because then I feel like we don't even go into

2821
02:06:14,760 --> 02:06:16,160
Speaker 5: the next journey with the right mentality.

2822
02:06:16,240 --> 02:06:18,120
Speaker 1: It's like the salary you dream of getting is now

2823
02:06:18,120 --> 02:06:18,760
Speaker 1: the one you're starting.

2824
02:06:18,880 --> 02:06:20,520
Speaker 4: What what am I actually working for?

2825
02:06:21,160 --> 02:06:25,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, ambition, it's insatiable, so I'm not even really working

2826
02:06:25,120 --> 02:06:26,600
Speaker 5: for that end goal at the end of the day

2827
02:06:26,640 --> 02:06:26,880
Speaker 5: at all.

2828
02:06:27,120 --> 02:06:30,880
Speaker 1: There's no angle. Start this from the top. Turn this

2829
02:06:30,960 --> 02:06:32,040
Speaker 1: music up to please?

2830
02:06:33,560 --> 02:06:33,840
Speaker 4: Is this a.

2831
02:06:35,920 --> 02:06:37,080
Speaker 1: Can we turn the speakers up?

2832
02:06:37,920 --> 02:06:38,160
Speaker 4: Yeah?

2833
02:06:38,160 --> 02:06:40,680
Speaker 5: It just might feed into the mics. That's why it

2834
02:06:40,760 --> 02:06:41,400
Speaker 5: sounds great.

2835
02:06:41,240 --> 02:06:42,480
Speaker 1: On the Okay.

2836
02:06:42,640 --> 02:06:53,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, I've been trying to get you.

2837
02:06:53,960 --> 02:07:00,440
Speaker 6: Can you get back to me? Can you get back

2838
02:07:00,520 --> 02:07:06,280
Speaker 6: to me? Can you get back to me?

2839
02:07:06,600 --> 02:07:09,320
Speaker 1: I'm calling God, leaving voicemails. I know you're there.

2840
02:07:09,400 --> 02:07:11,840
Speaker 7: I need a talk before my voice fails, before your

2841
02:07:11,920 --> 02:07:14,480
Speaker 7: void bails, because they be taking all the fun away.

2842
02:07:14,520 --> 02:07:17,280
Speaker 7: I'm listening to say goodbye to Hollywood and run away.

2843
02:07:17,640 --> 02:07:19,240
Speaker 1: I guess, be careful what you wish for.

2844
02:07:19,400 --> 02:07:21,320
Speaker 4: Right, you say the truth and they come at you

2845
02:07:21,400 --> 02:07:22,160
Speaker 4: with pitchforks.

2846
02:07:22,240 --> 02:07:26,560
Speaker 7: Right, I mean Copenhagen overthinking every right, Frond the foot

2847
02:07:26,720 --> 02:07:29,680
Speaker 7: is the phone just waiting for your call. I need

2848
02:07:29,680 --> 02:07:32,920
Speaker 7: to bro it's getting harder to keep going that conversation.

2849
02:07:33,560 --> 02:07:34,000
Speaker 1: I sweat.

2850
02:07:34,040 --> 02:07:36,160
Speaker 7: None of these mansid just get the stress off God.

2851
02:07:36,320 --> 02:07:38,360
Speaker 7: Sometimes I swell, want to get the gun is let

2852
02:07:38,400 --> 02:07:41,080
Speaker 7: off God? Aiming right in my enemies make the devil

2853
02:07:41,120 --> 02:07:43,160
Speaker 7: little baby. They trying to kill me. Can you blame

2854
02:07:43,160 --> 02:07:45,200
Speaker 7: me for the thoughts I have? Lady, I know it

2855
02:07:45,240 --> 02:07:48,640
Speaker 7: sounds crazy. That's why I called Daddy. Please don't betray me.

2856
02:07:49,080 --> 02:07:49,280
Speaker 6: God.

2857
02:07:49,320 --> 02:07:53,400
Speaker 1: Can you say pick up trying to get you?

2858
02:07:53,760 --> 02:07:54,440
Speaker 4: You see what I'm saying.

2859
02:07:54,480 --> 02:07:58,600
Speaker 1: It's like the fucking be as crazy as fuck. The

2860
02:07:58,640 --> 02:08:00,720
Speaker 1: hook is saying something. This is meanly even a voicemail

2861
02:08:00,760 --> 02:08:02,440
Speaker 1: of God. I was in Denmark and I wrote this.

2862
02:08:04,360 --> 02:08:06,520
Speaker 1: He's drums remind me of a and you get back

2863
02:08:07,360 --> 02:08:09,000
Speaker 1: the boys. That's what I'm saying. That I'm from, that

2864
02:08:09,040 --> 02:08:11,000
Speaker 1: I'm from, get rid of I try and you feel me.

2865
02:08:12,880 --> 02:08:16,080
Speaker 1: Family issues make successful this week. Sometimes of cold shoulders

2866
02:08:16,120 --> 02:08:19,200
Speaker 1: the only way to deliver heat. That's the situation. Sometimes

2867
02:08:19,200 --> 02:08:26,000
Speaker 1: the cold shoulders only coming yes in the studio.

2868
02:08:29,000 --> 02:08:32,280
Speaker 5: To give y'all somelf awareness' I gotta get somewhere when

2869
02:08:32,280 --> 02:08:34,240
Speaker 5: you sit there and you got they got to speaker

2870
02:08:34,320 --> 02:08:37,360
Speaker 5: super loud, and they're trying you can't explain the in

2871
02:08:37,440 --> 02:08:39,840
Speaker 5: my ear Like you were like, Yo, did you hear

2872
02:08:39,880 --> 02:08:40,360
Speaker 5: what I said?

2873
02:08:40,480 --> 02:08:41,800
Speaker 4: I'm like, well, I'm trying.

2874
02:08:41,640 --> 02:08:44,600
Speaker 1: Trying my best and not doing But I'm like, you

2875
02:08:44,600 --> 02:08:47,840
Speaker 1: don't hear I said. Sometimes success is bit and sweet.

2876
02:08:47,920 --> 02:08:50,600
Speaker 1: Sometimes the cold shoulder is the only way to deliver heat.

2877
02:08:50,720 --> 02:08:53,400
Speaker 1: That's the situation that I'm in with my dad, me

2878
02:08:53,440 --> 02:08:55,960
Speaker 1: and my mom dipped quick. No one lives with my dad. Yes, sad,

2879
02:08:56,000 --> 02:08:58,320
Speaker 1: but he brought it on himself. Last time we talked,

2880
02:08:58,320 --> 02:08:59,800
Speaker 1: we didn't talk. We just yell.

2881
02:09:02,920 --> 02:09:04,360
Speaker 4: There must be a white New Jersey thing.

2882
02:09:04,960 --> 02:09:11,080
Speaker 5: Just yelling because because I totally relate to that, I

2883
02:09:11,120 --> 02:09:16,400
Speaker 5: will because because we're getting the wrap up thing. I

2884
02:09:16,400 --> 02:09:18,560
Speaker 5: feel like you're one of the more self aware people

2885
02:09:18,720 --> 02:09:21,400
Speaker 5: I've met in like a quick amount of time. We

2886
02:09:21,520 --> 02:09:23,200
Speaker 5: just met today. But you know, you compete when someone

2887
02:09:23,240 --> 02:09:26,280
Speaker 5: is pretty self aware. I know you've thought about how

2888
02:09:26,280 --> 02:09:30,800
Speaker 5: you're going to age in hip hop, and we've watched

2889
02:09:30,800 --> 02:09:33,080
Speaker 5: a lot of artists look kind of crazy trying to

2890
02:09:33,120 --> 02:09:35,840
Speaker 5: age and shit, and then we watched a lot of

2891
02:09:35,920 --> 02:09:39,560
Speaker 5: artists know how to age beautifully. Where do you see

2892
02:09:39,560 --> 02:09:41,200
Speaker 5: that plan? And if you don't have to answer, that's

2893
02:09:41,320 --> 02:09:41,720
Speaker 5: I haven't.

2894
02:09:41,800 --> 02:09:44,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I was. I think I was.

2895
02:09:44,520 --> 02:09:48,840
Speaker 4: He thinks he thinks everything I think.

2896
02:09:49,600 --> 02:09:52,280
Speaker 1: I think indirectly. I think that's kind of what made

2897
02:09:52,360 --> 02:09:55,760
Speaker 1: me corny to a lot of younger artists was that

2898
02:09:55,880 --> 02:09:58,560
Speaker 1: when I was twenty three twenty four, I was already

2899
02:09:58,640 --> 02:10:02,360
Speaker 1: kind of coming off so serious about the business. And

2900
02:10:02,680 --> 02:10:05,240
Speaker 1: but I think as we all get older, and you know,

2901
02:10:05,360 --> 02:10:08,560
Speaker 1: I'm about to be thirty next year, it's like, I

2902
02:10:08,600 --> 02:10:10,840
Speaker 1: think it might be time to get serious about the business.

2903
02:10:11,160 --> 02:10:14,000
Speaker 1: I've been serious about it though, So where how I'm

2904
02:10:14,000 --> 02:10:17,240
Speaker 1: going to age gracefully? And it is starting to label

2905
02:10:17,800 --> 02:10:23,120
Speaker 1: you know, more CEO type positions, equity situations, you know,

2906
02:10:23,200 --> 02:10:27,839
Speaker 1: where it's for the artists. So I feel like anyone

2907
02:10:27,840 --> 02:10:31,879
Speaker 1: who knows is like educated on my career could probably

2908
02:10:31,920 --> 02:10:34,320
Speaker 1: assume where I'm going to go, you know what I mean.

2909
02:10:34,600 --> 02:10:36,000
Speaker 1: I feel like, you go, look at a lot of

2910
02:10:36,040 --> 02:10:38,520
Speaker 1: other artists careers. I don't know if you could really like,

2911
02:10:39,000 --> 02:10:41,160
Speaker 1: where are they going to go? If you're just a

2912
02:10:41,200 --> 02:10:42,440
Speaker 1: party rap guy.

2913
02:10:43,160 --> 02:10:46,080
Speaker 4: Your fans are going to grow up. Yeah, that's why.

2914
02:10:46,080 --> 02:10:49,040
Speaker 5: You can't tell people have kids why party rap shit

2915
02:10:49,200 --> 02:10:49,720
Speaker 5: is cool?

2916
02:10:49,800 --> 02:10:53,720
Speaker 1: But I'm cool on that. Yeah, party rap ends, bro

2917
02:10:54,640 --> 02:10:56,800
Speaker 1: the party has to end at some point. And I

2918
02:10:57,000 --> 02:10:59,800
Speaker 1: never I never seen one artist I never looked up

2919
02:10:59,840 --> 02:11:01,400
Speaker 1: to artist who is a party.

2920
02:11:01,200 --> 02:11:04,200
Speaker 5: Rapper that could just make party records, but they wasn't

2921
02:11:04,200 --> 02:11:04,880
Speaker 5: a party rapper.

2922
02:11:05,760 --> 02:11:08,080
Speaker 1: Every artist I look up to can make them, but

2923
02:11:08,080 --> 02:11:09,960
Speaker 1: they're not a party you know what I'm saying. Like

2924
02:11:10,240 --> 02:11:11,880
Speaker 1: every artist I look up to who I feel like

2925
02:11:11,920 --> 02:11:15,240
Speaker 1: are the goats? Are we feel like that.

2926
02:11:15,320 --> 02:11:16,000
Speaker 4: We know them?

2927
02:11:16,520 --> 02:11:18,880
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. We know jay Z, we

2928
02:11:18,920 --> 02:11:21,120
Speaker 1: think we do. We know Kanye, we know Drake, we

2929
02:11:21,240 --> 02:11:24,240
Speaker 1: know Cole, we know Kendrick, we know Nipsey. It's like

2930
02:11:24,720 --> 02:11:27,200
Speaker 1: we know Cuddy, we know you know what I mean,

2931
02:11:27,320 --> 02:11:30,120
Speaker 1: Like we know DMX, we know Pak, we know Biggie.

2932
02:11:30,120 --> 02:11:32,200
Speaker 1: It's like you feel like you know them. I don't

2933
02:11:32,200 --> 02:11:33,840
Speaker 1: want to just hear about how many bottles do you

2934
02:11:33,920 --> 02:11:36,120
Speaker 1: have in your section with cars? That shit is cool

2935
02:11:36,440 --> 02:11:39,920
Speaker 1: because fifteen year old kids think that shit is cool,

2936
02:11:40,480 --> 02:11:42,800
Speaker 1: But those kids grow up, you know what I'm saying.

2937
02:11:42,840 --> 02:11:45,040
Speaker 1: And it's like Adele says some shit that Zane Lowe

2938
02:11:45,080 --> 02:11:47,560
Speaker 1: interview where she's like, if everyone's making music for twelve

2939
02:11:47,600 --> 02:11:50,400
Speaker 1: year olds, who's making music for thirty year olds?

2940
02:11:50,480 --> 02:11:50,600
Speaker 6: Right?

2941
02:11:50,640 --> 02:11:51,520
Speaker 4: Yeah?

2942
02:11:51,720 --> 02:11:55,240
Speaker 1: And hip hop is so young that we don't know

2943
02:11:55,280 --> 02:11:59,200
Speaker 1: what the landscape looks like when Drake is fifty, when

2944
02:11:59,240 --> 02:12:02,280
Speaker 1: Cole is fifty. You know, we've only really seen like

2945
02:12:03,000 --> 02:12:06,000
Speaker 1: jay Z age. Obviously the big Daddy Kynes and then

2946
02:12:06,080 --> 02:12:08,640
Speaker 1: Karris Ones are older. But what I'm saying like on

2947
02:12:08,680 --> 02:12:11,960
Speaker 1: a mainstream, mainstream, mainstream level, it's like we're just now

2948
02:12:12,000 --> 02:12:15,360
Speaker 1: seeing the Mick Jaggers of hip hop. What happens when

2949
02:12:15,360 --> 02:12:18,760
Speaker 1: we're forty years from now in I'm seventy, you know

2950
02:12:18,840 --> 02:12:19,280
Speaker 1: what I mean.

2951
02:12:19,800 --> 02:12:21,720
Speaker 5: That's why I think you get the NAS Life Is

2952
02:12:21,800 --> 02:12:23,960
Speaker 5: Good album. That's why I think you get the whole

2953
02:12:24,000 --> 02:12:27,240
Speaker 5: four to forty four album. Yeah, and I agree, gracefully aged,

2954
02:12:27,320 --> 02:12:29,560
Speaker 5: and that's why I think it's important. But you're not

2955
02:12:29,600 --> 02:12:30,440
Speaker 5: trying to be young.

2956
02:12:30,280 --> 02:12:32,880
Speaker 1: And that's why I think it's important for artists like

2957
02:12:33,520 --> 02:12:35,960
Speaker 1: jay Z and Nods to keep this shit going because

2958
02:12:36,040 --> 02:12:39,160
Speaker 1: y'all dictate where this runway end, you know what I'm saying.

2959
02:12:39,400 --> 02:12:42,240
Speaker 1: And the fact that NAS is aging so gracefully sonically.

2960
02:12:42,280 --> 02:12:44,760
Speaker 1: Same with jay Z, it's like it's important. I don't

2961
02:12:44,760 --> 02:12:48,560
Speaker 1: want to hear jay Z do party rap unless unless

2962
02:12:48,560 --> 02:12:50,640
Speaker 1: it's a black type party, and it's that type of

2963
02:12:50,680 --> 02:12:53,720
Speaker 1: fucking sound. But I don't need to hear jay Z

2964
02:12:53,920 --> 02:12:59,120
Speaker 1: on you know what I'm saying, Like, I don't need

2965
02:12:59,160 --> 02:13:01,520
Speaker 1: to hear you over a few bet you feel me, Like,

2966
02:13:02,360 --> 02:13:04,040
Speaker 1: do you? You know what I'm saying. I think there's

2967
02:13:04,040 --> 02:13:06,520
Speaker 1: a lot of value in just playing your role. If

2968
02:13:06,520 --> 02:13:09,680
Speaker 1: you're twenty two right now and you're popping, be twenty

2969
02:13:09,680 --> 02:13:13,040
Speaker 1: two and popping. But also understand it's what jay Z

2970
02:13:13,160 --> 02:13:15,320
Speaker 1: talked about in that other interview, the white hot space.

2971
02:13:16,000 --> 02:13:19,080
Speaker 1: That white hot space ends at a certain point. Like

2972
02:13:20,040 --> 02:13:22,840
Speaker 1: the most valuable currency in rap is being new.

2973
02:13:23,520 --> 02:13:23,680
Speaker 4: Yo.

2974
02:13:23,800 --> 02:13:26,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, this genre is the only genre that does not

2975
02:13:26,400 --> 02:13:27,400
Speaker 5: celebrate longevity.

2976
02:13:27,640 --> 02:13:30,200
Speaker 1: No, because you're old. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

2977
02:13:31,120 --> 02:13:33,840
Speaker 1: Like Nick Jagger's cool, bon Jovi's cool, You too is

2978
02:13:33,840 --> 02:13:37,000
Speaker 1: cool because they're old. If you're old and rap, you're whack.

2979
02:13:37,520 --> 02:13:39,720
Speaker 1: It's because rap is like based off the youth for

2980
02:13:39,960 --> 02:13:40,600
Speaker 1: like a lot of.

2981
02:13:40,560 --> 02:13:42,560
Speaker 5: It, but which is beautiful in the same regard.

2982
02:13:42,640 --> 02:13:43,280
Speaker 1: But it's cool.

2983
02:13:43,320 --> 02:13:45,160
Speaker 4: There's a way for I think that's too.

2984
02:13:45,320 --> 02:13:49,600
Speaker 1: I think that's a testament of just the newness of rap.

2985
02:13:50,040 --> 02:13:52,240
Speaker 1: I feel like when we're two hundred years into this shit,

2986
02:13:52,800 --> 02:13:55,280
Speaker 1: it'll be cool to be old and rap, you know

2987
02:13:55,320 --> 02:13:55,840
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.

2988
02:13:56,320 --> 02:13:58,120
Speaker 5: But I think even with the new media shit like

2989
02:13:58,120 --> 02:14:00,440
Speaker 5: with the with the Wu Tang Show on Hulu, when like.

2990
02:14:01,960 --> 02:14:04,040
Speaker 1: Greatest show ever, it's fucking phenomenal.

2991
02:14:04,920 --> 02:14:08,240
Speaker 5: That's a new way with hip hop adapting into what's

2992
02:14:08,280 --> 02:14:11,720
Speaker 5: going on with media and streaming and everything. That's gonna

2993
02:14:11,760 --> 02:14:13,640
Speaker 5: help age it as well. And that's what I'm saying

2994
02:14:13,720 --> 02:14:17,160
Speaker 5: that will like it's such a good show. I'm just like,

2995
02:14:18,440 --> 02:14:22,080
Speaker 5: I wish we could talf for fucking five hours. Like

2996
02:14:23,600 --> 02:14:26,160
Speaker 5: I'm here to do like a couple things and that's it.

2997
02:14:26,200 --> 02:14:28,760
Speaker 5: And as I get older, I like sort of have

2998
02:14:28,880 --> 02:14:32,560
Speaker 5: a clear understanding of my purpose, and it's to make

2999
02:14:32,840 --> 02:14:35,680
Speaker 5: as much meaningful music as possible and put it out

3000
02:14:35,680 --> 02:14:36,879
Speaker 5: as often as possible.

3001
02:14:37,360 --> 02:14:42,800
Speaker 1: That's it. That's it, because I understand that it's it's

3002
02:14:42,960 --> 02:14:46,000
Speaker 1: just about impact. It's about that ship Tupac say, you

3003
02:14:46,040 --> 02:14:48,640
Speaker 1: spark the mind that changes. That's what it's about. That's

3004
02:14:48,680 --> 02:14:51,280
Speaker 1: what I'm doing it for. I never looked at music

3005
02:14:51,400 --> 02:14:53,040
Speaker 1: like a hustle. I was fortunate enough why I didn't

3006
02:14:53,040 --> 02:14:54,360
Speaker 1: need to look at it like a hustle, you know.

3007
02:14:54,400 --> 02:14:57,640
Speaker 1: And I understand that I don't understand the lifestyle of

3008
02:14:57,680 --> 02:14:59,880
Speaker 1: people who now this is just a lick, you know.

3009
02:15:00,120 --> 02:15:02,520
Speaker 1: But for me, man, I'm trying to just be great.

3010
02:15:02,600 --> 02:15:04,240
Speaker 1: I'm trying to make great music. I'm trying to have

3011
02:15:04,320 --> 02:15:07,960
Speaker 1: great messages that if I don't have a hit on

3012
02:15:08,080 --> 02:15:11,720
Speaker 1: radio for two years, my fans aren't going anywhere because

3013
02:15:11,840 --> 02:15:14,640
Speaker 1: my lyrics are tattered on them. I saved them from suicide.

3014
02:15:14,720 --> 02:15:17,800
Speaker 1: Like a lot of this party rap shit that's going on,

3015
02:15:17,960 --> 02:15:20,960
Speaker 1: like if you don't keep one of those in rotation

3016
02:15:21,040 --> 02:15:25,000
Speaker 1: every seven months, we forget about you. And like people

3017
02:15:25,040 --> 02:15:27,760
Speaker 1: can't you know, you know, if anyone's like, oh, well,

3018
02:15:27,840 --> 02:15:31,000
Speaker 1: Russ fell Off, was I ever on in y'all's eyes?

3019
02:15:31,960 --> 02:15:35,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if I was. I've never been like here.

3020
02:15:36,920 --> 02:15:39,160
Speaker 1: When Rihanna posted me that was the closest I got,

3021
02:15:39,720 --> 02:15:41,680
Speaker 1: but like it was still sort of like yeah, whatever,

3022
02:15:42,600 --> 02:15:44,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And I love that. I

3023
02:15:44,680 --> 02:15:46,600
Speaker 1: used to get mad that I was never really like

3024
02:15:48,440 --> 02:15:52,760
Speaker 1: amongst I kind of what I'm starting to accept is

3025
02:15:52,800 --> 02:15:56,720
Speaker 1: I'm starting to John Mayer told me this, He said,

3026
02:15:56,880 --> 02:15:57,840
Speaker 1: take your coat off.

3027
02:16:00,160 --> 02:16:01,840
Speaker 4: John may told me.

3028
02:16:04,200 --> 02:16:06,640
Speaker 3: John Mayor, Like, okay, I was with John, who just

3029
02:16:06,680 --> 02:16:12,000
Speaker 3: has I've got because I've dropped that line before.

3030
02:16:13,280 --> 02:16:17,200
Speaker 1: Because it's really, really, really insane, Like I said, how

3031
02:16:17,240 --> 02:16:20,040
Speaker 1: do you balance that one foot in, one foot out?

3032
02:16:20,200 --> 02:16:23,040
Speaker 1: You know, I'm still like I lived twenty four years

3033
02:16:23,080 --> 02:16:26,480
Speaker 1: of regular life. I didn't get on till twenty four

3034
02:16:26,920 --> 02:16:30,640
Speaker 1: twenty five, so like I'm four years into this barely,

3035
02:16:30,760 --> 02:16:34,120
Speaker 1: you know. So he was like, take your coat off,

3036
02:16:34,680 --> 02:16:39,640
Speaker 1: and that should just like like settle in dogs sit down,

3037
02:16:39,760 --> 02:16:42,200
Speaker 1: like this is really and it also reminds me of

3038
02:16:42,360 --> 02:16:44,400
Speaker 1: like that take your coat off. It also reminds me

3039
02:16:44,480 --> 02:16:46,480
Speaker 1: of like Tyler the creator had this interview where he

3040
02:16:46,520 --> 02:16:49,080
Speaker 1: said he was at this party and he was just,

3041
02:16:49,120 --> 02:16:51,520
Speaker 1: I guess, feeling like awkward or whatever. And Denzel came

3042
02:16:51,600 --> 02:16:53,520
Speaker 1: up to me and was like, stop acting like you

3043
02:16:53,520 --> 02:16:57,360
Speaker 1: don't belong here. And I think that's a really tough

3044
02:16:58,040 --> 02:17:03,560
Speaker 1: transition to sort of to go from not being on

3045
02:17:04,240 --> 02:17:09,760
Speaker 1: really trying hard to get on getting on and sliding

3046
02:17:09,840 --> 02:17:11,840
Speaker 1: and slinking into the role of like I'm not going

3047
02:17:11,879 --> 02:17:15,879
Speaker 1: anywhere because naturally you're very feral, like you know, like

3048
02:17:15,920 --> 02:17:17,920
Speaker 1: when you see an animal in the wild, their eyes

3049
02:17:18,080 --> 02:17:20,680
Speaker 1: because any moment they could die. That's how it feels

3050
02:17:20,680 --> 02:17:23,600
Speaker 1: like when you first get on, any moment, this shit

3051
02:17:23,680 --> 02:17:24,640
Speaker 1: can fucking be over with.

3052
02:17:24,760 --> 02:17:27,560
Speaker 5: But you have to define here like Denzel's saying here

3053
02:17:27,840 --> 02:17:30,520
Speaker 5: is he talking about where they actually were? Or don't

3054
02:17:30,560 --> 02:17:33,160
Speaker 5: act like you don't belong amongst all these people, because

3055
02:17:33,200 --> 02:17:39,039
Speaker 5: either way validity your track list, you belong here.

3056
02:17:38,560 --> 02:17:41,480
Speaker 4: You actually do better than so yeah, you.

3057
02:17:41,480 --> 02:17:43,840
Speaker 5: Want to belong different.

3058
02:17:44,200 --> 02:17:47,680
Speaker 1: I'm the person that I feel like the industry doesn't

3059
02:17:47,680 --> 02:17:50,720
Speaker 1: want to clap for because they feel like which I

3060
02:17:50,760 --> 02:17:53,360
Speaker 1: get because I'll say industry, well, it's not even that

3061
02:17:53,600 --> 02:17:57,560
Speaker 1: I clap for myself. So I feel like, right, and

3062
02:17:57,600 --> 02:17:59,480
Speaker 1: this is what fuck this is like. On a deeper level,

3063
02:17:59,520 --> 02:18:05,000
Speaker 1: I think with people in general, people I think innately

3064
02:18:05,200 --> 02:18:09,200
Speaker 1: want to clap for someone who isn't clapping for themselves

3065
02:18:09,520 --> 02:18:14,080
Speaker 1: because we want to feel responsible for your confidence. And

3066
02:18:14,120 --> 02:18:18,280
Speaker 1: if we see you don't fuck with yourself, bo, you

3067
02:18:18,280 --> 02:18:20,440
Speaker 1: can do it. You can do it. As soon as

3068
02:18:20,520 --> 02:18:23,879
Speaker 1: you start fucking with yourself, we feel like we're not needed.

3069
02:18:24,240 --> 02:18:26,160
Speaker 1: Oh you don't need me. Oh you feel like you

3070
02:18:26,200 --> 02:18:29,160
Speaker 1: don't need our applause? All right, That's why I said

3071
02:18:29,200 --> 02:18:35,320
Speaker 1: on distance, it's like, uh, you know which one success

3072
02:18:35,400 --> 02:18:37,880
Speaker 1: or struggle? Which one are you choosing? They hate you

3073
02:18:37,920 --> 02:18:39,840
Speaker 1: when you wining, but roof of you when you losing

3074
02:18:40,000 --> 02:18:42,720
Speaker 1: is confusing, and that's what it is. And it's like,

3075
02:18:43,040 --> 02:18:45,240
Speaker 1: so I feel like if I would have did the

3076
02:18:45,240 --> 02:18:47,160
Speaker 1: tail between the legs, happy to be here, like no,

3077
02:18:47,360 --> 02:18:51,280
Speaker 1: like I'm really just yo, I appreciate everything, everyone would

3078
02:18:51,280 --> 02:18:53,320
Speaker 1: have been like we want you to win so bad,

3079
02:18:53,600 --> 02:18:54,400
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I was.

3080
02:18:58,840 --> 02:19:00,480
Speaker 5: When I was working at Labels, I'm like, yo, you

3081
02:19:00,480 --> 02:19:02,640
Speaker 5: got to make everybody in this office feel like they're

3082
02:19:02,680 --> 02:19:05,080
Speaker 5: important to you, Like I used to tell when I

3083
02:19:05,120 --> 02:19:06,959
Speaker 5: was at dev Cha. I used to walk artists that

3084
02:19:07,000 --> 02:19:10,120
Speaker 5: had just signed and meet everybody like the assistance in

3085
02:19:10,200 --> 02:19:12,600
Speaker 5: the department. And granted they was good people and was

3086
02:19:12,640 --> 02:19:15,199
Speaker 5: all that, but that was the system of no one's

3087
02:19:15,200 --> 02:19:17,519
Speaker 5: going to work for you until they feel.

3088
02:19:17,240 --> 02:19:20,480
Speaker 4: Like yes, which.

3089
02:19:22,120 --> 02:19:24,760
Speaker 5: But it still shouldn't be like come on the liner

3090
02:19:24,800 --> 02:19:26,959
Speaker 5: notes in the CD booklets that we had with all

3091
02:19:27,000 --> 02:19:29,520
Speaker 5: those thank you names of I mean, they were all

3092
02:19:29,560 --> 02:19:32,680
Speaker 5: your family, but the people we didn't know, like it

3093
02:19:32,720 --> 02:19:33,840
Speaker 5: was all these thank you used to a bunch of

3094
02:19:33,920 --> 02:19:35,959
Speaker 5: names we didn't know. That was so the label felt

3095
02:19:36,040 --> 02:19:38,440
Speaker 5: like they did this people.

3096
02:19:38,800 --> 02:19:40,440
Speaker 1: Everything is run off ego, of.

3097
02:19:40,360 --> 02:19:42,920
Speaker 4: Course on both sides, on both.

3098
02:19:42,320 --> 02:19:45,000
Speaker 1: Sides, on both sides, but everything is run off of

3099
02:19:46,080 --> 02:19:48,480
Speaker 1: how good can you make someone feel about working with

3100
02:19:48,520 --> 02:19:49,520
Speaker 1: you and rooting for you?

3101
02:19:50,040 --> 02:19:52,720
Speaker 7: But and and that's where I can't help that. I

3102
02:19:52,720 --> 02:19:55,959
Speaker 7: grew up on Kanye West interviews, right, some of the

3103
02:19:55,959 --> 02:19:56,400
Speaker 7: best ever.

3104
02:19:57,080 --> 02:20:00,840
Speaker 1: Like Kanye West was, you know before he ever put

3105
02:20:00,879 --> 02:20:03,200
Speaker 1: shit out talking about I'm gonna get a number one

3106
02:20:03,240 --> 02:20:05,000
Speaker 1: debut album. If it's not that album, it's the next,

3107
02:20:05,240 --> 02:20:10,200
Speaker 1: Like I just feel like it's Also Jay Z said

3108
02:20:10,200 --> 02:20:11,960
Speaker 1: in the Elliott Wilson shit like I didn't do this

3109
02:20:12,000 --> 02:20:17,400
Speaker 1: shit to be number two? Like and I could fake Humble?

3110
02:20:18,200 --> 02:20:21,400
Speaker 1: Who said that? Was it Kendrick who said fake Humble

3111
02:20:21,440 --> 02:20:22,400
Speaker 1: to get y'all to fuck with me?

3112
02:20:24,400 --> 02:20:25,440
Speaker 4: He has a record call Humble.

3113
02:20:25,520 --> 02:20:28,520
Speaker 1: I know it was someone who said I can't fake

3114
02:20:28,600 --> 02:20:30,120
Speaker 1: Humble to get y'all to fuck me. It was like

3115
02:20:30,160 --> 02:20:32,000
Speaker 1: Drake or one of them, one of the Big three.

3116
02:20:32,040 --> 02:20:34,959
Speaker 1: But basically it's like, if y'all think Steph Curry walks

3117
02:20:35,000 --> 02:20:37,600
Speaker 1: on a court and doesn't think he's better than everyone

3118
02:20:37,640 --> 02:20:39,119
Speaker 1: on the court, you're.

3119
02:20:39,000 --> 02:20:39,600
Speaker 4: On the map.

3120
02:20:39,800 --> 02:20:41,640
Speaker 1: Would you know what I'm saying now?

3121
02:20:41,800 --> 02:20:45,199
Speaker 4: But I don't get arrogant from you, though I don't.

3122
02:20:45,000 --> 02:20:47,200
Speaker 1: Get arrogant for me either. I get I just think

3123
02:20:47,240 --> 02:20:50,400
Speaker 1: I'm better than everyone, and I vocalize it. But why

3124
02:20:50,640 --> 02:20:54,360
Speaker 1: don't you though? Like but because I like the reason

3125
02:20:54,400 --> 02:20:58,080
Speaker 1: why I vocalize it is to get people to fuck

3126
02:20:58,160 --> 02:21:04,480
Speaker 1: with themselves, like vocalize it on some If little old

3127
02:21:04,600 --> 02:21:09,800
Speaker 1: me thinks this highly of myself, right, you got no

3128
02:21:09,959 --> 02:21:15,480
Speaker 1: reason to think you're not ill. So like my confidence

3129
02:21:15,720 --> 02:21:18,879
Speaker 1: should inspire you to be confident, it shouldn't offend you.

3130
02:21:18,920 --> 02:21:21,720
Speaker 1: And if it offends you, we talked about that earlier.

3131
02:21:21,680 --> 02:21:25,600
Speaker 5: That you hate about me?

3132
02:21:25,720 --> 02:21:27,480
Speaker 1: Is that is missing you you saw.

3133
02:21:27,640 --> 02:21:30,360
Speaker 5: But that's also I forgot what quality interview it was

3134
02:21:30,440 --> 02:21:32,760
Speaker 5: years ago and outside of political ship. They said, anytime

3135
02:21:32,800 --> 02:21:36,440
Speaker 5: someone calls Kanye arrogant or feels like uncomfortableround Kanye, that's

3136
02:21:36,440 --> 02:21:39,480
Speaker 5: the insecurity in their own self they is because they

3137
02:21:39,480 --> 02:21:40,640
Speaker 5: don't feel that way about themselves.

3138
02:21:40,640 --> 02:21:43,039
Speaker 4: They hate that they don't love themselves like that.

3139
02:21:43,440 --> 02:21:46,080
Speaker 1: You ever met someone where they were so confident and

3140
02:21:46,080 --> 02:21:49,000
Speaker 1: shout of themselves that it agitated.

3141
02:21:48,400 --> 02:21:50,120
Speaker 4: You me, that's happening to me before.

3142
02:21:50,320 --> 02:21:52,280
Speaker 1: Just like in general, I tell the truth more, just

3143
02:21:52,280 --> 02:21:52,720
Speaker 1: be too cool.

3144
02:21:52,800 --> 02:21:54,800
Speaker 4: No, honestly, I've never that's never.

3145
02:21:54,920 --> 02:21:57,920
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, Like when it could be a second

3146
02:21:57,959 --> 02:22:00,400
Speaker 1: it's not in totality. You might have an off day.

3147
02:22:00,560 --> 02:22:01,720
Speaker 4: Yeah you feel me I'm talking about.

3148
02:22:01,800 --> 02:22:03,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, you might have an off there where you're like,

3149
02:22:03,320 --> 02:22:05,320
Speaker 1: you're just not feeling yourself like that all the way

3150
02:22:05,440 --> 02:22:08,320
Speaker 1: in that moment very you know, And if.

3151
02:22:08,160 --> 02:22:09,680
Speaker 3: You're trying to push it on me, like on some

3152
02:22:10,520 --> 02:22:12,840
Speaker 3: you you start talking like down on me type shit,

3153
02:22:13,000 --> 02:22:13,920
Speaker 3: that's when I'm like, oh.

3154
02:22:13,959 --> 02:22:17,080
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, not talking down. It's more so like

3155
02:22:17,640 --> 02:22:21,120
Speaker 1: it's more so like damn, this person's hello, show of

3156
02:22:21,160 --> 02:22:25,600
Speaker 1: themselves and hell confident, and it has you feeling uh

3157
02:22:27,000 --> 02:22:30,240
Speaker 1: less than because of your own bullshit, because because you're

3158
02:22:30,280 --> 02:22:31,920
Speaker 1: not there yet with your own self.

3159
02:22:32,400 --> 02:22:33,160
Speaker 4: And I ask a.

3160
02:22:33,160 --> 02:22:35,720
Speaker 5: Questions what you're projecting your insecurities on somebody else?

3161
02:22:35,840 --> 02:22:38,520
Speaker 1: And what that comes down to is like that should

3162
02:22:38,520 --> 02:22:41,680
Speaker 1: be inspiring to you, not see, I would always take

3163
02:22:41,680 --> 02:22:45,360
Speaker 1: those moments like I'm gonna feel myself that heavy too

3164
02:22:45,440 --> 02:22:50,520
Speaker 1: one day most people do. Who do you think you are? Yeah,

3165
02:22:50,560 --> 02:22:52,360
Speaker 1: I'm not feeling yourself like that.

3166
02:22:52,240 --> 02:22:54,480
Speaker 5: But that comes from a place of I don't feel

3167
02:22:54,480 --> 02:22:56,440
Speaker 5: that way about myself. And how I'm gonna deflect on

3168
02:22:56,480 --> 02:22:59,280
Speaker 5: it is make you the villain, like you what's wrong

3169
02:22:59,320 --> 02:22:59,680
Speaker 5: with you like.

3170
02:22:59,680 --> 02:23:03,000
Speaker 1: What you That's why, Like, that's why the artist consumer

3171
02:23:03,120 --> 02:23:08,160
Speaker 1: relationship is toxic, because it's the most toxic because artists

3172
02:23:08,200 --> 02:23:13,680
Speaker 1: benefit more when they're broke and going through hell. But

3173
02:23:13,879 --> 02:23:18,880
Speaker 1: because guess what, great, most consumers are not financially free

3174
02:23:19,080 --> 02:23:21,920
Speaker 1: and are going through hell. Like, why do you think

3175
02:23:22,080 --> 02:23:27,720
Speaker 1: miserable songs heartbreak songs win, Struggle songs win because most

3176
02:23:27,720 --> 02:23:32,200
Speaker 1: of the world is struggling and miserable. So that's what's

3177
02:23:32,240 --> 02:23:36,920
Speaker 1: so fucked up? Is that being up and coming artists,

3178
02:23:36,959 --> 02:23:38,560
Speaker 1: you got fanco root for you. I can't wait for

3179
02:23:38,600 --> 02:23:43,160
Speaker 1: you to be on. You deserve so much more love, support, money, credit,

3180
02:23:43,200 --> 02:23:45,240
Speaker 1: whatever you want to say. Then you get all of

3181
02:23:45,280 --> 02:23:50,040
Speaker 1: that and then they tell you come back, don't forget.

3182
02:23:50,680 --> 02:23:52,760
Speaker 1: But it's like what I thought you wanted me to

3183
02:23:52,840 --> 02:23:57,800
Speaker 1: get here. Oh no, you wanted me. You just wanted

3184
02:23:57,840 --> 02:24:05,200
Speaker 1: to have some sort of uh, territorial stake in the

3185
02:24:05,240 --> 02:24:09,080
Speaker 1: ground that let me know that you see me. You

3186
02:24:09,160 --> 02:24:12,800
Speaker 1: really didn't want me to succeed because me succeeding infiltrates

3187
02:24:12,879 --> 02:24:14,080
Speaker 1: on your sense of self.

3188
02:24:14,360 --> 02:24:15,560
Speaker 5: But is that okay?

3189
02:24:15,600 --> 02:24:15,760
Speaker 1: Though?

3190
02:24:15,800 --> 02:24:18,000
Speaker 5: Because they they're not your friend, they're not your family,

3191
02:24:18,000 --> 02:24:20,279
Speaker 5: They're a consumer. Because I've been one of those people.

3192
02:24:21,640 --> 02:24:21,879
Speaker 1: Artist.

3193
02:24:21,920 --> 02:24:24,640
Speaker 5: I see an artists go through something, and I'll be honest,

3194
02:24:25,000 --> 02:24:27,840
Speaker 5: it'll be certain times of artists that I know take

3195
02:24:27,879 --> 02:24:30,600
Speaker 5: pain and put in the music and may create great music,

3196
02:24:30,920 --> 02:24:32,640
Speaker 5: and I see them go through something publicly and I'm like,

3197
02:24:32,760 --> 02:24:35,320
Speaker 5: we're about to get a good album. And that's very

3198
02:24:35,360 --> 02:24:37,920
Speaker 5: selfish because that person's really going through something. It's not

3199
02:24:37,959 --> 02:24:41,000
Speaker 5: affecting my life, and I'm looking for a benefit out

3200
02:24:41,000 --> 02:24:43,039
Speaker 5: of your pain, like, which is a very terrible thing,

3201
02:24:44,120 --> 02:24:47,440
Speaker 5: but that's that's the thing. That's a consumer thing. But

3202
02:24:47,879 --> 02:24:49,720
Speaker 5: all right, if they are showing they're showing up for

3203
02:24:49,760 --> 02:24:52,879
Speaker 5: you and pain, there's still a consumer at the end

3204
02:24:52,920 --> 02:24:53,280
Speaker 5: of the day.

3205
02:24:53,440 --> 02:24:56,279
Speaker 1: And you could even dare I say, if they're showing

3206
02:24:56,320 --> 02:24:57,880
Speaker 1: up for you and your pain, there may be the

3207
02:24:58,040 --> 02:25:00,880
Speaker 1: realist consumer if we want to get that real you

3208
02:25:00,920 --> 02:25:03,720
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, if they're only there when

3209
02:25:03,760 --> 02:25:07,680
Speaker 1: shit is lit, when you win the World Series, okay,

3210
02:25:07,720 --> 02:25:10,400
Speaker 1: you could be like, I'm really happy that y'all are

3211
02:25:10,400 --> 02:25:13,240
Speaker 1: at least happy on winning, But aren't they really fans

3212
02:25:14,320 --> 02:25:18,000
Speaker 1: if they're actually there for you when the heartbreak came,

3213
02:25:18,040 --> 02:25:20,800
Speaker 1: the depression came, even if it's for their own selfish

3214
02:25:20,879 --> 02:25:22,760
Speaker 1: value of well, now I'm not so alone.

3215
02:25:22,840 --> 02:25:26,959
Speaker 4: But that's that's that's a weird comparison. And because I.

3216
02:25:27,200 --> 02:25:28,800
Speaker 5: Tell you, I'm gonna tell you why, to tell you

3217
02:25:28,840 --> 02:25:31,359
Speaker 5: why you're weird, they're gonna tell you why to wear comparison.

3218
02:25:31,520 --> 02:25:33,920
Speaker 5: Because you have to realize you're in the music business

3219
02:25:34,959 --> 02:25:38,000
Speaker 5: and because the business you put out is your personal life.

3220
02:25:38,320 --> 02:25:42,200
Speaker 5: You can't compare it to the Yankees that when it's

3221
02:25:42,240 --> 02:25:43,560
Speaker 5: like Doug, we're here for a business.

3222
02:25:43,600 --> 02:25:44,560
Speaker 4: We spend this money.

3223
02:25:44,640 --> 02:25:46,560
Speaker 5: We need to go to the World Series so we

3224
02:25:46,600 --> 02:25:47,440
Speaker 5: can get everybody.

3225
02:25:47,640 --> 02:25:48,600
Speaker 4: You don't care about our core.

3226
02:25:48,680 --> 02:25:49,800
Speaker 5: We don't want a core fan base.

3227
02:25:50,160 --> 02:25:51,440
Speaker 4: You think we want a core fan base.

3228
02:25:51,720 --> 02:25:53,600
Speaker 5: Don' don't want nobody here. When we're losing, no one

3229
02:25:53,640 --> 02:25:56,320
Speaker 5: shows up, So you got to go to the World Series. True,

3230
02:25:56,640 --> 02:26:01,040
Speaker 5: And that's the weird part of music. You're selling yourself.

3231
02:26:01,840 --> 02:26:04,080
Speaker 5: It's the only business. It's not a T shirt. It's

3232
02:26:04,080 --> 02:26:06,240
Speaker 5: not here's the T shirt for the price I pay

3233
02:26:06,280 --> 02:26:09,759
Speaker 5: six dollars, it's thirty. Here's the transaction you wear it. Bet,

3234
02:26:10,080 --> 02:26:11,760
Speaker 5: we want to pay all this money to bring this

3235
02:26:11,959 --> 02:26:14,800
Speaker 5: athlete into our team so we can get to the championship,

3236
02:26:14,959 --> 02:26:17,040
Speaker 5: so we can get people in these motherfucking seats and

3237
02:26:17,080 --> 02:26:21,160
Speaker 5: get advertising. Yeah, there's no real emotion to it. You

3238
02:26:22,040 --> 02:26:24,920
Speaker 5: in the music business are merging the two because you're

3239
02:26:24,959 --> 02:26:29,400
Speaker 5: selling yourself and your feelings. You expect the consumer to

3240
02:26:29,720 --> 02:26:32,039
Speaker 5: act like they're your friend when you want them to

3241
02:26:32,080 --> 02:26:34,440
Speaker 5: act like a business transaction and you can't.

3242
02:26:34,720 --> 02:26:36,720
Speaker 4: You catch twenty two as he was just saying, like

3243
02:26:37,160 --> 02:26:38,279
Speaker 4: you have to pick a side.

3244
02:26:38,720 --> 02:26:41,160
Speaker 5: So yeah, no, that person is like, no, listen, I

3245
02:26:41,200 --> 02:26:43,400
Speaker 5: only like Russ when he goes to the World Series. No,

3246
02:26:43,480 --> 02:26:44,959
Speaker 5: I don't care about the team when they're not winning.

3247
02:26:45,360 --> 02:26:46,199
Speaker 5: You can't get mad.

3248
02:26:46,040 --> 02:26:47,040
Speaker 4: At them for that.

3249
02:26:47,040 --> 02:26:47,800
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.

3250
02:26:48,040 --> 02:26:49,600
Speaker 5: I want to watch my team. I want to watch

3251
02:26:49,600 --> 02:26:52,000
Speaker 5: my team do sad songs, and when y'all not doing

3252
02:26:52,000 --> 02:26:53,440
Speaker 5: sad songs, I'm not coming to the game.

3253
02:26:53,520 --> 02:26:57,000
Speaker 1: I'm out. Bro, you're a spot on. I agree with

3254
02:26:57,000 --> 02:27:01,240
Speaker 1: that because it's like, look, this is what I want

3255
02:27:01,280 --> 02:27:02,800
Speaker 1: to get out of you. I want to hear the

3256
02:27:02,840 --> 02:27:07,160
Speaker 1: depressiont songs. That doesn't make me and that doesn't make

3257
02:27:07,240 --> 02:27:09,800
Speaker 1: me less of a fan. It just means I'm a

3258
02:27:09,800 --> 02:27:12,520
Speaker 1: fan of that style of yours and when you're doing that,

3259
02:27:12,560 --> 02:27:15,000
Speaker 1: maybe that's for them, And I think I think you're right.

3260
02:27:15,040 --> 02:27:17,160
Speaker 1: I think as artists we think everyone is like you

3261
02:27:17,240 --> 02:27:19,360
Speaker 1: know me, like we're friend, Like you know what I'm

3262
02:27:19,400 --> 02:27:21,280
Speaker 1: going through is like, no, we don't.

3263
02:27:21,360 --> 02:27:23,640
Speaker 5: And then the time at the same time, I watch

3264
02:27:23,720 --> 02:27:25,680
Speaker 5: artists when they go out in public be like yo,

3265
02:27:25,720 --> 02:27:29,720
Speaker 5: while these people think they know me, it's like you

3266
02:27:30,000 --> 02:27:30,800
Speaker 5: to pick a side.

3267
02:27:30,920 --> 02:27:33,360
Speaker 1: But I will say this, I will say this. The

3268
02:27:33,480 --> 02:27:36,640
Speaker 1: realist ship you could ever dress up as is yourself

3269
02:27:36,840 --> 02:27:40,520
Speaker 1: in the music business. And I think that the artists

3270
02:27:40,520 --> 02:27:42,120
Speaker 1: who don't wake up and have to put on a

3271
02:27:42,120 --> 02:27:46,320
Speaker 1: costume and sort of like act a certain way, they

3272
02:27:46,360 --> 02:27:50,720
Speaker 1: have the most longevity because I feel like I can

3273
02:27:50,800 --> 02:27:55,760
Speaker 1: just be me and that's enough marketing for the day.

3274
02:27:56,000 --> 02:27:58,959
Speaker 1: You know. Is a blessing by the way, because I

3275
02:27:59,080 --> 02:28:01,840
Speaker 1: never went into it like I'm gonna wear the same

3276
02:28:02,200 --> 02:28:05,080
Speaker 1: haircut with the same glasses and the same you know.

3277
02:28:05,160 --> 02:28:08,160
Speaker 1: It's just like yo, like sometimes I'm with my French

3278
02:28:08,160 --> 02:28:10,920
Speaker 1: bulldog and like I have glasses on it. You know

3279
02:28:10,959 --> 02:28:11,560
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.

3280
02:28:13,680 --> 02:28:17,160
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying saying with my multiple it's.

3281
02:28:17,080 --> 02:28:19,840
Speaker 1: Like there's a pro and con to that. The con

3282
02:28:20,000 --> 02:28:22,600
Speaker 1: is like I'm not that mystique. Frank Ocean where like

3283
02:28:22,959 --> 02:28:26,039
Speaker 1: I blow my nose in the world stops because like,

3284
02:28:26,280 --> 02:28:26,879
Speaker 1: did he move?

3285
02:28:27,560 --> 02:28:30,800
Speaker 4: Does he have sinuces right now? Oh? Frank? Yeah? Because

3286
02:28:30,840 --> 02:28:31,879
Speaker 4: I liked it. I would like to know.

3287
02:28:32,000 --> 02:28:33,480
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying if he does.

3288
02:28:33,680 --> 02:28:36,520
Speaker 5: Frank the Ocean opened that gay club and we never

3289
02:28:36,600 --> 02:28:38,600
Speaker 5: heard from him since you know that ship profited crazy.

3290
02:28:39,280 --> 02:28:44,640
Speaker 5: He opened the gay club right before pandemic. He was

3291
02:28:45,120 --> 02:28:46,760
Speaker 5: that start it was I thought he was. He was

3292
02:28:46,800 --> 02:28:50,720
Speaker 5: djaming Frank, He's He's one of the great especially off

3293
02:28:50,920 --> 02:28:54,840
Speaker 5: your message that that OK did with Deaf Jam to

3294
02:28:54,840 --> 02:28:56,880
Speaker 5: put out two albums in one day and they didn't

3295
02:28:56,879 --> 02:28:59,200
Speaker 5: know that he put out two albums. That's the most

3296
02:28:59,280 --> 02:28:59,959
Speaker 5: legendary ship.

3297
02:29:00,560 --> 02:29:01,840
Speaker 3: I fel like it's a movie for that. I feel

3298
02:29:01,840 --> 02:29:03,879
Speaker 3: like somebody has to write that movie.

3299
02:29:04,040 --> 02:29:06,360
Speaker 4: Frank is different man, Frank is the Jeans.

3300
02:29:06,400 --> 02:29:08,560
Speaker 1: And I saw this interview he did where he was

3301
02:29:08,600 --> 02:29:11,640
Speaker 1: talking about like his best melodies are just the simplest ones,

3302
02:29:11,920 --> 02:29:14,160
Speaker 1: like rings in my head every time I'm in the studio.

3303
02:29:14,200 --> 02:29:17,360
Speaker 1: To be honest, because if you're sitting there trying to

3304
02:29:17,440 --> 02:29:19,800
Speaker 1: come up with the melody overwhere.

3305
02:29:19,480 --> 02:29:21,120
Speaker 4: How much of an overthinker do you think you are?

3306
02:29:21,600 --> 02:29:23,480
Speaker 1: What? What's the on the scale of one to ten.

3307
02:29:23,680 --> 02:29:27,600
Speaker 1: Thirty five. Yeah, I could see that thirty five what

3308
02:29:27,720 --> 02:29:30,360
Speaker 1: I recently started doing. So I have this project that

3309
02:29:30,400 --> 02:29:32,360
Speaker 1: i'm working on that I'm like six songs deep. I

3310
02:29:32,400 --> 02:29:35,280
Speaker 1: just the studios in the crab, I engineering myself. I

3311
02:29:35,280 --> 02:29:37,280
Speaker 1: can make twenty songs in a week, you know what

3312
02:29:37,280 --> 02:29:41,680
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So, I got this thing I'm doing called Unlocked,

3313
02:29:42,320 --> 02:29:47,800
Speaker 1: and it's just the most free expression. I'm just I

3314
02:29:47,879 --> 02:29:49,960
Speaker 1: really did it. After watching the whole Wu Tang show,

3315
02:29:49,959 --> 02:29:52,359
Speaker 1: I went and downloaded like a Rizzard drum kit online.

3316
02:29:52,800 --> 02:29:55,360
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I'm just like, Yo, let

3317
02:29:55,400 --> 02:29:58,360
Speaker 1: me just fucking not even think about what I'm doing.

3318
02:29:59,080 --> 02:30:01,680
Speaker 1: First naire that sounds the first everything has boom, first tame,

3319
02:30:01,680 --> 02:30:04,840
Speaker 1: but it sounds cool. Don't write shit down, get on

3320
02:30:04,879 --> 02:30:07,960
Speaker 1: the mic instantly, and just punch through two lines that

3321
02:30:08,680 --> 02:30:10,600
Speaker 1: say the first thing that comes to mind. Dude, I

3322
02:30:10,600 --> 02:30:14,000
Speaker 1: got like six seven songs like that. They're crazy and

3323
02:30:14,040 --> 02:30:16,320
Speaker 1: the most fun I've had in the studio because I'm

3324
02:30:16,360 --> 02:30:20,880
Speaker 1: not thinking, because I'm just saying shit and it's fucking awesome.

3325
02:30:20,879 --> 02:30:23,440
Speaker 1: But other than that, yeah, man, I fucking overthink everything

3326
02:30:23,520 --> 02:30:27,880
Speaker 1: because when it comes to the bars, yeah, bro, I'm

3327
02:30:27,920 --> 02:30:30,240
Speaker 1: about to sit there and think because I'm trying to

3328
02:30:30,240 --> 02:30:34,120
Speaker 1: write crazy shit, Like I'm trying to come up with

3329
02:30:34,120 --> 02:30:37,000
Speaker 1: schemes that are crazy, Like I said, some crazy shit

3330
02:30:37,080 --> 02:30:39,560
Speaker 1: on the blue chip shit that Like you can't just

3331
02:30:39,600 --> 02:30:46,160
Speaker 1: freestyle that, like uh well, I say, Deledon, my game's

3332
02:30:46,160 --> 02:30:48,720
Speaker 1: ill limes with the quiller or the heat to this

3333
02:30:48,840 --> 02:30:52,600
Speaker 1: jay Will makes skills appeal like magic. Past It's like

3334
02:30:53,000 --> 02:30:59,119
Speaker 1: Deledon has played sick for mad long. She has limes disease, right, yeah, Deleadon,

3335
02:30:59,240 --> 02:31:02,560
Speaker 1: my game's ill lines with tequila or the heat to

3336
02:31:02,640 --> 02:31:05,440
Speaker 1: this j Will makes skills appear like magic. The heat

3337
02:31:05,440 --> 02:31:08,120
Speaker 1: to the j Will is the lighter to the j

3338
02:31:08,240 --> 02:31:10,560
Speaker 1: Will makes skills appeal. But Jason Willi's playing for the

3339
02:31:10,560 --> 02:31:13,320
Speaker 1: heat makes skills appear like magic. Pay for that, I can't,

3340
02:31:13,400 --> 02:31:14,959
Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying. That's like I got

3341
02:31:14,959 --> 02:31:17,160
Speaker 1: to sit and think about schemes like that like that,

3342
02:31:17,240 --> 02:31:18,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like New York Knicks fame.

3343
02:31:18,959 --> 02:31:21,400
Speaker 1: So she deep throat then my d ros then her knees. Bro,

3344
02:31:21,560 --> 02:31:24,840
Speaker 1: I'm the g oh no bullshit, Like I can't reestyle

3345
02:31:24,959 --> 02:31:26,840
Speaker 1: that if I could, on the goat.

3346
02:31:27,600 --> 02:31:29,720
Speaker 5: My favorite shit is watching rappers wrap their own bars

3347
02:31:29,720 --> 02:31:32,080
Speaker 5: and smile. I love you know who's the number one

3348
02:31:32,080 --> 02:31:34,840
Speaker 5: person that does that? Hope Hoby saying his ship and

3349
02:31:34,879 --> 02:31:36,600
Speaker 5: you could tell you could tell. Hove is like, Oh,

3350
02:31:36,680 --> 02:31:37,600
Speaker 5: I like what I just said.

3351
02:31:38,160 --> 02:31:40,160
Speaker 1: I love my bars on this ship is it?

3352
02:31:40,760 --> 02:31:43,800
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I love my bars and this I said

3353
02:31:43,800 --> 02:31:45,320
Speaker 5: it was the number one that will that will.

3354
02:31:46,360 --> 02:31:50,600
Speaker 1: Conversational raps with punchlines like because I don't like just

3355
02:31:50,680 --> 02:31:52,240
Speaker 1: straight punchline rap like that.

3356
02:31:53,440 --> 02:31:54,959
Speaker 4: I'm too old for that ship now, yeah.

3357
02:31:54,760 --> 02:31:56,560
Speaker 1: Because I feel like I don't learn that much about you.

3358
02:31:57,480 --> 02:31:59,600
Speaker 1: I like when it's sprinkled in with like.

3359
02:32:00,120 --> 02:32:01,480
Speaker 4: Shows is still there, you still got it.

3360
02:32:01,560 --> 02:32:03,720
Speaker 5: But that's why I like you choosing Banks for that record.

3361
02:32:04,200 --> 02:32:07,680
Speaker 5: If you've seen Banks rapper, he's not the p ok anymore.

3362
02:32:08,480 --> 02:32:10,840
Speaker 5: Banks gonna tell you about his life. So him going

3363
02:32:10,879 --> 02:32:12,200
Speaker 5: on the beat that you picked when that.

3364
02:32:12,240 --> 02:32:16,520
Speaker 1: Came was like something that his ship is amazy Banks.

3365
02:32:16,560 --> 02:32:18,440
Speaker 5: Banks is by far one of my favorite rappers ever.

3366
02:32:19,480 --> 02:32:21,840
Speaker 1: I like when I hear like everyone that sent their

3367
02:32:21,879 --> 02:32:24,200
Speaker 1: varse and I'm like, I can just tell y'all still active.

3368
02:32:25,680 --> 02:32:28,480
Speaker 1: There was no rust detected, you know what I'm saying.

3369
02:32:28,520 --> 02:32:32,600
Speaker 4: Like SHA's verse I love too. Yeah, I want to.

3370
02:32:32,879 --> 02:32:34,119
Speaker 4: That's one of my favorite rappers.

3371
02:32:34,160 --> 02:32:37,480
Speaker 1: He said, fuck it, he said crazy ship. Yeah, pistol

3372
02:32:37,520 --> 02:32:40,440
Speaker 1: under your pillow, try to kill your dreams, Like, come.

3373
02:32:40,320 --> 02:32:44,400
Speaker 5: On, yeah, some music. He doesn't owe us some music,

3374
02:32:44,440 --> 02:32:45,440
Speaker 5: but I want some fucking music.

3375
02:32:47,000 --> 02:32:48,600
Speaker 1: He hit me the other day like man like people

3376
02:32:48,640 --> 02:32:50,840
Speaker 1: going crazy about my varse, Like it's about it's time

3377
02:32:50,840 --> 02:32:53,640
Speaker 1: to put out the album. I got a crazy.

3378
02:32:53,160 --> 02:32:55,400
Speaker 4: Song on side ship real.

3379
02:32:56,720 --> 02:32:59,160
Speaker 1: I played with like the camp bro Oh my god,

3380
02:33:00,920 --> 02:33:06,120
Speaker 1: I fuck with man. It's hard like whatever man's but

3381
02:33:06,160 --> 02:33:07,480
Speaker 1: I body that ship too.

3382
02:33:07,760 --> 02:33:10,160
Speaker 5: All Right, we're going to close it with some controversy

3383
02:33:10,879 --> 02:33:12,600
Speaker 5: name of rapper that's trash that you want to be

3384
02:33:12,680 --> 02:33:17,440
Speaker 5: for Come on, come on, give us something. This entire

3385
02:33:17,480 --> 02:33:20,000
Speaker 5: conversation was amazing. We did no relationship, which I love.

3386
02:33:20,040 --> 02:33:20,640
Speaker 5: That's the point of that.

3387
02:33:21,440 --> 02:33:23,320
Speaker 1: Will probably bite one of us in the ass. One

3388
02:33:23,360 --> 02:33:24,360
Speaker 1: of us is getting a text.

3389
02:33:24,400 --> 02:33:29,080
Speaker 5: Well, we pod every other day, so we're past day.

3390
02:33:29,280 --> 02:33:31,280
Speaker 1: One of us is getting in text. No.

3391
02:33:31,120 --> 02:33:33,720
Speaker 5: No, I was definitely again one time and Shorty's friend

3392
02:33:33,720 --> 02:33:36,080
Speaker 5: brought up Russ and I was like, he's not here.

3393
02:33:36,080 --> 02:33:36,920
Speaker 4: Why you said his name?

3394
02:33:37,160 --> 02:33:39,840
Speaker 1: For real? Well on some negative ship or some positive.

3395
02:33:39,520 --> 02:33:43,000
Speaker 4: No on some he beat Yeah, for real, I don't know.

3396
02:33:43,000 --> 02:33:46,879
Speaker 1: I wasn't with him, you, No, I was not.

3397
02:33:46,959 --> 02:33:49,920
Speaker 5: I was with a girl that I was working with

3398
02:33:50,000 --> 02:33:53,120
Speaker 5: and her friend, which mind you like we we was

3399
02:33:53,160 --> 02:33:57,760
Speaker 5: talking about like cancer or something, and she was like,

3400
02:33:57,800 --> 02:33:59,039
Speaker 5: and now I dated this guy russ.

3401
02:33:59,040 --> 02:34:05,040
Speaker 2: I was like, well, a tricky I'm saying, I've never

3402
02:34:05,160 --> 02:34:06,240
Speaker 2: dated none of y'all.

3403
02:34:07,120 --> 02:34:10,640
Speaker 1: Like, hold up, this is what I'm saying.

3404
02:34:10,680 --> 02:34:13,040
Speaker 2: I've never dated any of y'all. Like all of y'all,

3405
02:34:13,480 --> 02:34:16,400
Speaker 2: none of y'all, none of y'all. I've not If you.

3406
02:34:16,560 --> 02:34:18,120
Speaker 4: Dated somebody, what is okay?

3407
02:34:18,160 --> 02:34:19,880
Speaker 1: Hold on, let's get into that real click.

3408
02:34:21,320 --> 02:34:25,119
Speaker 4: Hold on, holds, hold.

3409
02:34:25,000 --> 02:34:28,920
Speaker 1: On, hold on, we got to get this straight. Let me.

3410
02:34:28,959 --> 02:34:32,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just pose questions. If I've never taken you

3411
02:34:32,440 --> 02:34:33,680
Speaker 1: out to eat, have we dated?

3412
02:34:34,840 --> 02:34:36,560
Speaker 4: I mean to me, no, But to her she may

3413
02:34:36,800 --> 02:34:39,240
Speaker 4: still think, so what are we doing besides going out

3414
02:34:39,240 --> 02:34:39,520
Speaker 4: to eat?

3415
02:34:41,400 --> 02:34:44,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely said I love you on.

3416
02:34:44,480 --> 02:34:50,720
Speaker 7: Those If I never shared food with you and you

3417
02:34:50,760 --> 02:34:54,160
Speaker 7: think we date, you're crazy. And you have never seen

3418
02:34:54,200 --> 02:34:57,520
Speaker 7: a room outside of my house other than the kitchen

3419
02:34:57,520 --> 02:34:58,560
Speaker 7: in the bedroom.

3420
02:34:59,080 --> 02:35:01,240
Speaker 1: Methomphetamines met them fetemis.

3421
02:35:01,560 --> 02:35:03,119
Speaker 5: She's probably never seen you sober.

3422
02:35:02,879 --> 02:35:05,600
Speaker 1: Either, Yeah, probably not.

3423
02:35:06,840 --> 02:35:08,600
Speaker 5: I went I went through that roller deck in my head.

3424
02:35:08,959 --> 02:35:12,640
Speaker 5: There's chicks I've known for maybe fifteen years on and

3425
02:35:12,680 --> 02:35:15,600
Speaker 5: off that have that don't know me sober. I've only

3426
02:35:15,640 --> 02:35:17,320
Speaker 5: called them when I'm drunk, and they've only came through

3427
02:35:17,360 --> 02:35:17,840
Speaker 5: when I was drunk.

3428
02:35:17,920 --> 02:35:20,160
Speaker 1: No, no, No, these ones that like anyone who could because

3429
02:35:20,200 --> 02:35:20,600
Speaker 1: I know, like.

3430
02:35:20,560 --> 02:35:23,720
Speaker 5: You've never met that's fifteen years. You've never seen me

3431
02:35:23,879 --> 02:35:27,280
Speaker 5: in the daylight and not drunk at three am.

3432
02:35:27,440 --> 02:35:28,840
Speaker 4: Sounds like you have the problem, buddy.

3433
02:35:28,920 --> 02:35:31,120
Speaker 1: No, it's tough. That's that's no.

3434
02:35:31,000 --> 02:35:33,320
Speaker 4: No, it's not I'm not saying it's a constant thing.

3435
02:35:33,320 --> 02:35:36,560
Speaker 5: I'm saying like throughout fifteen years, I'll see her twice,

3436
02:35:36,560 --> 02:35:39,520
Speaker 5: I'll see her twice a year year, That's what I'm saying.

3437
02:35:39,520 --> 02:35:40,760
Speaker 1: Like you just that type of time.

3438
02:35:40,920 --> 02:35:43,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, we know it was consistently for fifteen years that

3439
02:35:43,240 --> 02:35:45,879
Speaker 5: I was drunk. No, I'm saying I see you once

3440
02:35:45,959 --> 02:35:50,000
Speaker 5: or twice a year. You've only seen me at that time,

3441
02:35:50,200 --> 02:35:52,920
Speaker 5: Like that was crazy, Like you really can't say you know.

3442
02:35:52,879 --> 02:35:56,800
Speaker 1: Me now you don't know me, Like I never dated anyone, so.

3443
02:35:56,760 --> 02:35:58,600
Speaker 4: You never had a girlfriend, like a legit girl, he said,

3444
02:35:58,600 --> 02:35:59,520
Speaker 4: two years he put a bit in.

3445
02:35:59,600 --> 02:36:03,879
Speaker 1: Yeah I had girlfriends, but I'm saying like anyone that's saying.

3446
02:36:03,600 --> 02:36:05,119
Speaker 4: That after the deal was a dog.

3447
02:36:05,280 --> 02:36:07,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're out of their mind. They're trying to claim

3448
02:36:07,200 --> 02:36:07,879
Speaker 1: shit that's not there.

3449
02:36:08,080 --> 02:36:09,760
Speaker 5: So you got to understand that if you fuck a girl,

3450
02:36:09,800 --> 02:36:12,080
Speaker 5: want to try to holler at me and your birthday

3451
02:36:12,120 --> 02:36:12,920
Speaker 5: to your story.

3452
02:36:13,480 --> 02:36:17,359
Speaker 1: Oh, they try to say like they're gonna shave yeah, yeah, yeah,

3453
02:36:17,959 --> 02:36:20,160
Speaker 1: like you hold it like it's sad, honestly sad.

3454
02:36:20,240 --> 02:36:22,280
Speaker 4: And she probably at dinner was like, oh he's white,

3455
02:36:22,320 --> 02:36:26,800
Speaker 4: he must be arrested. Yeah, she thought was gonna connect.

3456
02:36:26,480 --> 02:36:30,600
Speaker 5: On it, like oh damn this my imagine being imagine

3457
02:36:30,640 --> 02:36:32,640
Speaker 5: being impressed at a girl when she sucked the dude,

3458
02:36:32,840 --> 02:36:33,720
Speaker 5: like that would impress you.

3459
02:36:35,000 --> 02:36:36,920
Speaker 1: There's weird dudes like that though.

3460
02:36:37,240 --> 02:36:38,400
Speaker 5: Like where you fuck them.

3461
02:36:39,800 --> 02:36:40,800
Speaker 4: Behavior, not me.

3462
02:36:40,879 --> 02:36:43,440
Speaker 1: It's the dudes who are really on some approval ship,

3463
02:36:43,560 --> 02:36:46,680
Speaker 1: like man, you thug fucking I'm lit, I'm on the

3464
02:36:46,720 --> 02:36:47,280
Speaker 1: same levels.

3465
02:36:47,560 --> 02:36:50,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's a crazy fucking mindset that. That's a

3466
02:36:51,000 --> 02:36:51,800
Speaker 3: sick ass monster.

3467
02:36:51,800 --> 02:36:53,640
Speaker 1: It's the dudes who put like their self worth in

3468
02:36:53,680 --> 02:36:56,920
Speaker 1: the type of pussy they can get. It's tough, bro.

3469
02:36:57,120 --> 02:36:58,800
Speaker 4: That's why I stick to savvy on blank by my

3470
02:36:58,879 --> 02:37:01,520
Speaker 4: business be my case.

3471
02:37:03,400 --> 02:37:05,560
Speaker 5: The marriage is gonna kill us. I don't how to

3472
02:37:05,560 --> 02:37:08,200
Speaker 5: wrap it up. This was an amazing conversation, just one

3473
02:37:08,240 --> 02:37:08,440
Speaker 5: of my.

3474
02:37:08,879 --> 02:37:11,480
Speaker 3: Definitely one of my favorite conversations. Man like, I'm a

3475
02:37:11,760 --> 02:37:14,760
Speaker 3: huge fan of your talent. Thank you, and John two

3476
02:37:14,800 --> 02:37:15,360
Speaker 3: is crazy?

3477
02:37:15,560 --> 02:37:20,440
Speaker 7: Yes, heard, what's your favorite song? Off to the joint

3478
02:37:20,440 --> 02:37:23,640
Speaker 7: with hm hmm. That's a good Quaverite.

3479
02:37:23,680 --> 02:37:27,000
Speaker 3: Damn, it's still early to know I've had I should

3480
02:37:27,040 --> 02:37:30,720
Speaker 3: be able to have red the Joint. I love the

3481
02:37:30,760 --> 02:37:33,640
Speaker 3: melody that you was wrapping in on hold on, let

3482
02:37:33,680 --> 02:37:34,160
Speaker 3: me pull it up.

3483
02:37:34,400 --> 02:37:37,400
Speaker 4: I think I think not not to self, not to

3484
02:37:37,480 --> 02:37:38,600
Speaker 4: self specifically, not.

3485
02:37:38,640 --> 02:37:41,640
Speaker 5: Only the record of just what it meant from we

3486
02:37:41,680 --> 02:37:42,720
Speaker 5: saw at high school era.

3487
02:37:43,360 --> 02:37:44,800
Speaker 4: This was blog era of.

3488
02:37:44,800 --> 02:37:49,400
Speaker 5: Putting hit boy, Sean Wile and Joey Badass together on

3489
02:37:49,520 --> 02:37:52,720
Speaker 5: that Like that record meant a lot to me and

3490
02:37:52,760 --> 02:37:55,000
Speaker 5: in the time I grew up, it's like one train

3491
02:37:55,760 --> 02:37:58,480
Speaker 5: exactly nothing. And hearing that now with all of them

3492
02:37:58,520 --> 02:37:59,199
Speaker 5: and where they've been.

3493
02:37:59,080 --> 02:38:00,560
Speaker 4: At that was a thing.

3494
02:38:03,120 --> 02:38:05,640
Speaker 5: But I like Sheep and I like Hustle's freestyle as

3495
02:38:05,720 --> 02:38:08,160
Speaker 5: much as I love the features you put on here.

3496
02:38:08,160 --> 02:38:11,240
Speaker 5: I did like the records with Huge, Bro.

3497
02:38:11,240 --> 02:38:13,520
Speaker 1: I'm telling you something about me and Jake One is

3498
02:38:13,560 --> 02:38:17,640
Speaker 1: like special. He did Sheep and Hustle freestyle and it's

3499
02:38:17,680 --> 02:38:20,280
Speaker 1: just there's producers that I have like a really special

3500
02:38:20,320 --> 02:38:22,240
Speaker 1: pocket with and it's like Jake one is just one

3501
02:38:22,240 --> 02:38:24,840
Speaker 1: of those dudes. I'm like, I could make a whole

3502
02:38:24,879 --> 02:38:30,480
Speaker 1: tape like I got because I got like female records

3503
02:38:30,520 --> 02:38:33,960
Speaker 1: over Jake one productions that are out because he just

3504
02:38:34,040 --> 02:38:36,320
Speaker 1: makes It's just my pocket, you know what I'm saying.

3505
02:38:36,320 --> 02:38:38,240
Speaker 1: It's like when you meet a girl and like y'all

3506
02:38:38,280 --> 02:38:41,160
Speaker 1: just kind of like on the same waves like that bro.

3507
02:38:41,240 --> 02:38:42,720
Speaker 1: Anything he sends I sound good on.

3508
02:38:42,879 --> 02:38:45,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, and even Nothing New is one of

3509
02:38:45,800 --> 02:38:48,000
Speaker 5: my favorites. It's not my favorite. But why do you

3510
02:38:48,040 --> 02:38:50,640
Speaker 5: think people don't ask Game to be featured on their

3511
02:38:50,640 --> 02:38:52,879
Speaker 5: records like that? People are sleep on Game, Game is

3512
02:38:53,280 --> 02:38:55,279
Speaker 5: Games desography is untouched.

3513
02:38:55,320 --> 02:38:58,680
Speaker 1: Game is one of the illest rappers ever. Ever. I

3514
02:38:58,720 --> 02:39:00,240
Speaker 1: don't give a fuck with anyone saying.

3515
02:39:00,040 --> 02:39:01,959
Speaker 5: And his name drops NonStop and he's still.

3516
02:39:02,360 --> 02:39:05,560
Speaker 1: When we talk about music and raps, we're not about

3517
02:39:05,560 --> 02:39:07,640
Speaker 1: to see the act. Like the game has not delivered.

3518
02:39:09,040 --> 02:39:10,359
Speaker 1: The last time you heard a whack.

3519
02:39:10,200 --> 02:39:12,600
Speaker 4: Game verse time you heard a whack game album.

3520
02:39:12,800 --> 02:39:14,320
Speaker 1: Literally, this ship he.

3521
02:39:14,320 --> 02:39:17,560
Speaker 7: Dropped two years ago, But what was his most recent

3522
02:39:17,760 --> 02:39:19,240
Speaker 7: you know what I'm talking about game?

3523
02:39:19,320 --> 02:39:22,000
Speaker 1: It wasn't a the one where was like in the

3524
02:39:22,000 --> 02:39:25,720
Speaker 1: studio and a bunch of like women born Born That

3525
02:39:25,760 --> 02:39:26,920
Speaker 1: ship is insane.

3526
02:39:27,200 --> 02:39:28,760
Speaker 4: I laughed at the ed sharing intro. But other than

3527
02:39:28,800 --> 02:39:30,160
Speaker 4: that, that ship is flawless.

3528
02:39:30,200 --> 02:39:32,360
Speaker 7: Bro like that whole ship is and the out railers

3529
02:39:32,400 --> 02:39:34,080
Speaker 7: insane but covers nuts.

3530
02:39:34,080 --> 02:39:36,480
Speaker 5: But no, Born to rap Game does not make bad

3531
02:39:36,520 --> 02:39:39,800
Speaker 5: albums at all, like and No One He's he never

3532
02:39:39,840 --> 02:39:41,600
Speaker 5: does features. When I saw that, I was like a

3533
02:39:41,640 --> 02:39:43,440
Speaker 5: game feature. You never see a game here.

3534
02:39:43,640 --> 02:39:45,640
Speaker 1: That was one of those crazy ones where I was like, Yo,

3535
02:39:45,760 --> 02:39:47,720
Speaker 1: game would sound crazy on this because it's high tech

3536
02:39:48,320 --> 02:39:51,400
Speaker 1: tech did like documentary ship. I'm like, man, let me

3537
02:39:51,440 --> 02:39:54,280
Speaker 1: hit game. I go to DM game on Instagram. He

3538
02:39:54,360 --> 02:39:57,560
Speaker 1: had d M me three years ago with his number

3539
02:39:58,240 --> 02:40:00,320
Speaker 1: like yo hit me blood. I was like, why, how

3540
02:40:00,360 --> 02:40:02,039
Speaker 1: the fuck did I miss it? What's wrong with me?

3541
02:40:02,200 --> 02:40:04,680
Speaker 5: Is that why you wrapped like seven blood references on

3542
02:40:04,680 --> 02:40:05,120
Speaker 5: this album?

3543
02:40:05,200 --> 02:40:06,119
Speaker 1: No, it was only two.

3544
02:40:06,000 --> 02:40:12,040
Speaker 5: Blood references that that line ten times, Nah, it's two times.

3545
02:40:12,640 --> 02:40:15,680
Speaker 1: One of them was crazy though it was invested in

3546
02:40:15,680 --> 02:40:17,200
Speaker 1: some crypto.

3547
02:40:17,440 --> 02:40:19,359
Speaker 5: And the other one was Mama Seaside.

3548
02:40:19,480 --> 02:40:22,439
Speaker 1: It wasn't always blood, but I put my mom's seaside.

3549
02:40:22,120 --> 02:40:23,680
Speaker 5: And then I was like, he could be talking about

3550
02:40:23,879 --> 02:40:26,680
Speaker 5: from Jersey putting your mom in seaside Heights, Jersey.

3551
02:40:27,320 --> 02:40:36,080
Speaker 4: Really that put my mom's cool?

3552
02:40:38,200 --> 02:40:39,959
Speaker 1: I don't know, but.

3553
02:40:39,920 --> 02:40:42,680
Speaker 5: No, please chomp to check that ship out. I'm not

3554
02:40:42,760 --> 02:40:45,240
Speaker 5: mad at I know, run around all the time album

3555
02:40:45,280 --> 02:40:47,520
Speaker 5: of the year. I'm not mad at that marketing plan

3556
02:40:47,600 --> 02:40:48,000
Speaker 5: on this one.

3557
02:40:48,520 --> 02:40:50,680
Speaker 1: I just think, let's have that quick. Why do we

3558
02:40:50,720 --> 02:40:52,560
Speaker 1: have to wrap up? We got twenty more minutes? Or

3559
02:40:52,600 --> 02:40:55,240
Speaker 1: does everyone have someone to be American? Well? My grandfather

3560
02:40:56,200 --> 02:41:00,240
Speaker 1: was on fire. It was What's Happening Name and other

3561
02:41:00,320 --> 02:41:02,880
Speaker 1: rap album that dropped this year that has just more

3562
02:41:03,080 --> 02:41:05,920
Speaker 1: high quality wraps and production on it. I don't think

3563
02:41:05,959 --> 02:41:08,440
Speaker 1: there's one that has as many high quality wraps. I

3564
02:41:08,480 --> 02:41:11,080
Speaker 1: think there's albums that cold Shit has high quality wraps.

3565
02:41:12,240 --> 02:41:14,519
Speaker 1: Album has more high quality.

3566
02:41:14,200 --> 02:41:16,920
Speaker 4: Wraps on my Kami ship. I really loved.

3567
02:41:19,080 --> 02:41:19,160
Speaker 1: It.

3568
02:41:19,200 --> 02:41:23,360
Speaker 4: Hadst album to What's album with that? Oh whis when

3569
02:41:23,400 --> 02:41:24,039
Speaker 4: he put out.

3570
02:41:24,120 --> 02:41:26,520
Speaker 5: And it gives gives putting his shit out on this

3571
02:41:26,600 --> 02:41:27,520
Speaker 5: side of the year.

3572
02:41:27,640 --> 02:41:28,680
Speaker 1: Gibbs didn't want to rap.

3573
02:41:28,720 --> 02:41:28,879
Speaker 4: Man.

3574
02:41:28,920 --> 02:41:31,400
Speaker 1: I know, Gibbs, you don't fuck with me because of

3575
02:41:31,600 --> 02:41:34,680
Speaker 1: like Twitter back and forth. But Gibbs came up to Hill.

3576
02:41:34,720 --> 02:41:38,040
Speaker 1: He'll deny this because he's a Twitter guy. But Gibbs

3577
02:41:38,040 --> 02:41:40,560
Speaker 1: came up to me. Like five years ago, I was

3578
02:41:40,600 --> 02:41:45,480
Speaker 1: in Santa Monica at the hotel next to casadel Mar

3579
02:41:46,080 --> 02:41:49,279
Speaker 1: Shutters on the beach. Me and my manager were eating

3580
02:41:49,280 --> 02:41:53,959
Speaker 1: inside in a booth. Gives gives us with his gives

3581
02:41:54,040 --> 02:41:55,520
Speaker 1: us with his girl at the time. I don't know

3582
02:41:55,520 --> 02:41:57,000
Speaker 1: if it's I don't know his life. He was with

3583
02:41:57,040 --> 02:41:59,600
Speaker 1: his wife girl whoever I'm saying.

3584
02:41:59,480 --> 02:42:01,640
Speaker 4: He was with Aeron, he was with the parson a human.

3585
02:42:01,920 --> 02:42:08,199
Speaker 1: I'm with you, specimen. I'm in the booth with my manager.

3586
02:42:08,440 --> 02:42:10,600
Speaker 1: Gibbs came up to the booth and sat down. It

3587
02:42:10,640 --> 02:42:12,200
Speaker 1: was like, yo, I fuck with you. Here's my number.

3588
02:42:12,520 --> 02:42:15,160
Speaker 1: That was like five years ago, twenty sixteen. Okay, so

3589
02:42:15,840 --> 02:42:18,200
Speaker 1: now I know he doesn't fuck with me.

3590
02:42:18,440 --> 02:42:20,640
Speaker 4: Why I missed it? You and Gibbs beef.

3591
02:42:20,640 --> 02:42:23,360
Speaker 1: I didn't know that was the thing because I think

3592
02:42:23,480 --> 02:42:26,520
Speaker 1: I posted a beat saying I'm bringing soul samples back.

3593
02:42:26,560 --> 02:42:28,800
Speaker 1: I was just like making a beat and like producers

3594
02:42:28,800 --> 02:42:31,280
Speaker 1: were like laughing at it. Freddy Gibbs added into the

3595
02:42:31,280 --> 02:42:33,920
Speaker 1: commentary of laughing at it, and I'm like, that's one

3596
02:42:33,959 --> 02:42:37,200
Speaker 1: of those situations where it's like dog like one, you're

3597
02:42:37,200 --> 02:42:39,199
Speaker 1: a little too old to be like laughing on Twitter

3598
02:42:39,280 --> 02:42:41,199
Speaker 1: about other artists and shit too, like.

3599
02:42:41,160 --> 02:42:43,040
Speaker 4: But that's Gibbs do funny Twitter shit.

3600
02:42:43,080 --> 02:42:46,560
Speaker 1: Man. Yeah, that's cool. That's cool. And then when academics

3601
02:42:46,560 --> 02:42:48,720
Speaker 1: and him were getting add in, Academics was like, I

3602
02:42:48,800 --> 02:42:52,039
Speaker 1: made more than you and you're a rapper. I found

3603
02:42:52,080 --> 02:42:55,760
Speaker 1: that comical, So I laughed on Twitter as well. Why

3604
02:42:55,760 --> 02:42:57,199
Speaker 1: can't I laugh left?

3605
02:42:57,200 --> 02:42:58,600
Speaker 4: Oh see, I didn't. Okay, I didn't know.

3606
02:42:58,840 --> 02:43:05,879
Speaker 5: I didn't know. It was a lol's smiley face that serious.

3607
02:43:06,160 --> 02:43:08,960
Speaker 1: I'm just you laughed at me first. I'm laughing at you.

3608
02:43:09,320 --> 02:43:10,000
Speaker 1: Should be fine.

3609
02:43:10,240 --> 02:43:14,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's that rap ego ship. Don't want to give

3610
02:43:14,640 --> 02:43:18,959
Speaker 5: that first I hit him and I hit beat.

3611
02:43:19,120 --> 02:43:22,160
Speaker 1: I'm saying I told, I said, tell Freddy to come rap. Yeah,

3612
02:43:22,520 --> 02:43:24,360
Speaker 1: I didn't want to. So it's like, I don't have

3613
02:43:24,400 --> 02:43:25,080
Speaker 1: a problem with Freddy.

3614
02:43:25,959 --> 02:43:27,120
Speaker 4: Freddy's that's the homie man.

3615
02:43:27,280 --> 02:43:29,320
Speaker 1: Just laughs that ship. I laughed at you too.

3616
02:43:29,360 --> 02:43:32,280
Speaker 5: And you gotta realized Freddy on Twitter is really having

3617
02:43:32,640 --> 02:43:34,640
Speaker 5: He's not being He's never being serious.

3618
02:43:35,240 --> 02:43:38,360
Speaker 4: I mean, like, come rape. Know I get what you said.

3619
02:43:38,640 --> 02:43:42,840
Speaker 4: I'm saying, your family, come rap.

3620
02:43:43,360 --> 02:43:44,480
Speaker 5: You and Freddie would get along.

3621
02:43:44,879 --> 02:43:47,160
Speaker 1: I already know when I met him he was cool.

3622
02:43:47,320 --> 02:43:48,720
Speaker 1: I don't have any problem with Freddy. I wanted to

3623
02:43:48,800 --> 02:43:50,800
Speaker 1: rap with Freddy because I think he can rap. But also,

3624
02:43:50,840 --> 02:43:52,400
Speaker 1: like I heard him say something where he was like,

3625
02:43:52,400 --> 02:43:54,560
Speaker 1: I don't rap with people I can't relate to. So

3626
02:43:54,600 --> 02:43:57,320
Speaker 1: I get it, like, you're not going to relate to

3627
02:43:57,360 --> 02:43:59,440
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. Maybe even though I fel like

3628
02:43:59,440 --> 02:44:03,960
Speaker 1: I'm talking about motivational get on, it came off sort

3629
02:44:04,000 --> 02:44:06,040
Speaker 1: of like unless you're doing street wrap, I'm not rapping

3630
02:44:06,040 --> 02:44:08,280
Speaker 1: with you and gives I.

3631
02:44:08,200 --> 02:44:10,600
Speaker 5: Mean, of course gives the street rap, but he can

3632
02:44:10,680 --> 02:44:14,520
Speaker 5: rap about stream.

3633
02:44:14,560 --> 02:44:17,039
Speaker 1: I'm giving him more credit than he gives himself. I'm like, dog,

3634
02:44:17,360 --> 02:44:18,960
Speaker 1: I want you to come rap because I think you're

3635
02:44:19,000 --> 02:44:21,360
Speaker 1: just ill at rapping. But if you want to be

3636
02:44:21,440 --> 02:44:22,160
Speaker 1: like you.

3637
02:44:22,080 --> 02:44:25,560
Speaker 4: Know, Freddy is crazy, he's crazy, all right, Well.

3638
02:44:25,520 --> 02:44:27,640
Speaker 5: Then then so we can really close. Name a body,

3639
02:44:27,720 --> 02:44:30,879
Speaker 5: name a rapper. You could not outrap, but you could

3640
02:44:30,920 --> 02:44:35,800
Speaker 5: knock out.

3641
02:44:37,280 --> 02:44:39,480
Speaker 1: I can outrap anyone. I feel like on my best day.

3642
02:44:39,520 --> 02:44:40,400
Speaker 4: That's not wun be honest.

3643
02:44:45,160 --> 02:44:49,560
Speaker 7: You heard my enjoyed the view your days a week

3644
02:44:49,600 --> 02:44:50,040
Speaker 7: for rappers?

3645
02:44:50,040 --> 02:44:52,959
Speaker 1: Two things sweet when when get beat, I know the

3646
02:44:53,040 --> 02:44:57,040
Speaker 1: drama not cold. Plus is always straps around like lesbian households.

3647
02:44:57,080 --> 02:44:59,240
Speaker 5: I didn't just ask this question out of nowhere. I

3648
02:44:59,320 --> 02:45:01,400
Speaker 5: listened to the album and you brought it up. I

3649
02:45:01,400 --> 02:45:03,880
Speaker 5: don't want anyone to know that our festival safe. Is

3650
02:45:03,959 --> 02:45:08,480
Speaker 5: the world safe now that you're out here? You were

3651
02:45:08,520 --> 02:45:09,200
Speaker 5: grant any that shit?

3652
02:45:09,720 --> 02:45:11,920
Speaker 1: Hell no, they deserved every minute of it.

3653
02:45:12,000 --> 02:45:13,040
Speaker 4: Okay, I respect it.

3654
02:45:13,160 --> 02:45:16,240
Speaker 1: I think like I think at the end of the day. Uh,

3655
02:45:17,000 --> 02:45:20,560
Speaker 1: you know, if you are using your platform to mobilize

3656
02:45:20,600 --> 02:45:24,840
Speaker 1: your fans to sort of, uh take down my castle

3657
02:45:25,440 --> 02:45:29,320
Speaker 1: and don't fuck with him, don't don't even give him

3658
02:45:29,320 --> 02:45:31,680
Speaker 1: a chance, That's what I'm going to use my platform

3659
02:45:31,760 --> 02:45:33,920
Speaker 1: to get y'all to not fuck with someone else.

3660
02:45:34,760 --> 02:45:36,400
Speaker 5: It's hands.

3661
02:45:36,480 --> 02:45:38,600
Speaker 1: Why would it not be. I'm taking care of my

3662
02:45:38,640 --> 02:45:42,200
Speaker 1: whole family, understand it. And it's the weird thing to

3663
02:45:42,200 --> 02:45:42,840
Speaker 1: me with some.

3664
02:45:42,760 --> 02:45:44,360
Speaker 5: I guess regret is where you did it, because because

3665
02:45:44,360 --> 02:45:46,160
Speaker 5: you did explain that and I understand it's your livelihood,

3666
02:45:46,160 --> 02:45:50,480
Speaker 5: But where you did it where you did it publicly. Yeah,

3667
02:45:50,640 --> 02:45:52,920
Speaker 5: and at a place and at a place that compromises

3668
02:45:52,959 --> 02:45:54,760
Speaker 5: your livelihood because you did it at a festival. And

3669
02:45:54,800 --> 02:45:56,879
Speaker 5: you know, anytime rappers fuck up at festivals, they don't

3670
02:45:56,879 --> 02:45:58,000
Speaker 5: get booked for festivals no more.

3671
02:45:58,040 --> 02:46:01,000
Speaker 4: No, he just taken on site. It's on site.

3672
02:46:00,920 --> 02:46:04,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, So like at the day, I'm just at the

3673
02:46:04,480 --> 02:46:06,160
Speaker 1: end of the day, I'm one of those like artists

3674
02:46:06,160 --> 02:46:11,240
Speaker 1: who you know, like the Mala of Luna festival where

3675
02:46:11,240 --> 02:46:13,600
Speaker 1: the gap that shit happened at, I got two hundred

3676
02:46:13,600 --> 02:46:17,680
Speaker 1: grand to headline that. You feel me, I'm a six

3677
02:46:17,800 --> 02:46:19,560
Speaker 1: hundred grand a Staples Center on my own show. I

3678
02:46:19,560 --> 02:46:21,440
Speaker 1: don't need a festival to make money. Y'all need festivals

3679
02:46:21,440 --> 02:46:24,720
Speaker 1: to make money. That's where rappers get overpaid at festivals.

3680
02:46:25,040 --> 02:46:26,920
Speaker 5: That's why I love festivals, because that's where rappers get

3681
02:46:26,920 --> 02:46:27,440
Speaker 5: their breadth.

3682
02:46:27,240 --> 02:46:28,760
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like I know going on

3683
02:46:28,800 --> 02:46:31,080
Speaker 1: with the grill tickets and real mercales. You feel me like,

3684
02:46:31,840 --> 02:46:34,440
Speaker 1: I mean six hundred and thirty six thousand at Staples,

3685
02:46:34,480 --> 02:46:37,920
Speaker 1: Like I may six hundred you know what I mean?

3686
02:46:38,040 --> 02:46:40,440
Speaker 1: Like I don't need Like we're not going to book

3687
02:46:40,440 --> 02:46:44,080
Speaker 1: you for any more festivals. Okay, I'm my own festival.

3688
02:46:45,240 --> 02:46:47,679
Speaker 4: And that's why people don't like you exactly.

3689
02:46:47,320 --> 02:46:48,880
Speaker 5: Right that headline, because I love it.

3690
02:46:49,200 --> 02:46:51,040
Speaker 7: It's gonna love it, but that's what But that's what

3691
02:46:51,080 --> 02:46:53,760
Speaker 7: I'm saying because y'all want to control people.

3692
02:46:53,879 --> 02:46:54,280
Speaker 4: I get it.

3693
02:46:54,360 --> 02:46:56,440
Speaker 1: Y'all want to have the upper hand. And when someone says,

3694
02:46:56,480 --> 02:46:58,720
Speaker 1: fuck your upper hand, I get it. It's a problem

3695
02:46:58,720 --> 02:47:03,400
Speaker 1: because now it threatens your little like like fucked pissing contest.

3696
02:47:03,520 --> 02:47:06,160
Speaker 1: It's like, dog, I don't give a fuck, you know

3697
02:47:06,200 --> 02:47:08,440
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But yeah, to that point of that shit,

3698
02:47:08,480 --> 02:47:11,720
Speaker 1: it's like if I don't even know you were all grown.

3699
02:47:12,120 --> 02:47:15,760
Speaker 1: I don't like the people who like they run in

3700
02:47:15,800 --> 02:47:18,120
Speaker 1: your house with a gun and they film it and

3701
02:47:18,160 --> 02:47:20,520
Speaker 1: you freak the fuck out and knock them the fuck out,

3702
02:47:21,160 --> 02:47:21,800
Speaker 1: and you get.

3703
02:47:21,720 --> 02:47:25,640
Speaker 7: Up saying chill, it's a blank. Yeah, that's like this generation.

3704
02:47:25,760 --> 02:47:28,960
Speaker 7: It's like, what about that is the prank? Where was

3705
02:47:29,000 --> 02:47:29,720
Speaker 7: the prank part?

3706
02:47:30,200 --> 02:47:33,880
Speaker 1: So it's like youtuburs or whoever, are just like, make

3707
02:47:33,920 --> 02:47:35,959
Speaker 1: a video to just make fun of me for thirty

3708
02:47:35,959 --> 02:47:39,119
Speaker 1: minutes if you get your ass beat, I almost feel

3709
02:47:39,120 --> 02:47:41,000
Speaker 1: like you should probably be expecting that at this point.

3710
02:47:41,440 --> 02:47:44,800
Speaker 1: So it was like what what about that was the prank?

3711
02:47:45,840 --> 02:47:47,879
Speaker 1: I missed the joke. I could take it. I joke,

3712
02:47:48,240 --> 02:47:51,000
Speaker 1: Come on, we can joke. I got a big nose

3713
02:47:51,120 --> 02:47:53,400
Speaker 1: like big guy's forehead. You're short, like I could take

3714
02:47:53,400 --> 02:47:55,800
Speaker 1: a joke, joke, Come on, But when you're on some

3715
02:47:56,000 --> 02:47:58,480
Speaker 1: like you're corny as fuck. Fuck you, you're whack as hell.

3716
02:47:58,560 --> 02:48:00,760
Speaker 1: Everyone that I fuck with, don't fuck with him? Where's

3717
02:48:00,800 --> 02:48:03,920
Speaker 1: the joke. I'm gonna fuck you up and like, you're

3718
02:48:04,280 --> 02:48:07,520
Speaker 1: a fucking maniac if you think you're not, Oh that

3719
02:48:07,760 --> 02:48:10,840
Speaker 1: ass beating for fucking with someone's livelihood and trying to

3720
02:48:11,000 --> 02:48:14,560
Speaker 1: justify it on some white frat boy. I'm gonna play

3721
02:48:14,600 --> 02:48:17,520
Speaker 1: the victim like, nah was a joke. Nah, dog, you're

3722
02:48:17,560 --> 02:48:20,240
Speaker 1: getting punched in the mouth and figure that ship out afterwards.

3723
02:48:20,280 --> 02:48:22,240
Speaker 4: I like that. I like that. I respect that. I

3724
02:48:22,360 --> 02:48:23,560
Speaker 4: respect I like that ending too.

3725
02:48:23,840 --> 02:48:24,000
Speaker 5: Well.

3726
02:48:24,000 --> 02:48:28,800
Speaker 3: Listen, we appreciate you coming by, kicking with kicking with us.

3727
02:48:29,400 --> 02:48:30,520
Speaker 3: I wish we had more time.

3728
02:48:31,200 --> 02:48:31,800
Speaker 1: We'll do it again.

3729
02:48:31,840 --> 02:48:36,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, good for podcasts. Yeah, we could do this by monthly.

3730
02:48:37,200 --> 02:48:39,040
Speaker 1: No, I love I love talking man.

3731
02:48:39,400 --> 02:48:41,879
Speaker 4: Let's do it. Look we'll be down in Atlanta end

3732
02:48:41,920 --> 02:48:44,160
Speaker 4: of the month. Right, Yeah, cool.

3733
02:48:43,959 --> 02:48:44,879
Speaker 5: Now doing part too.

3734
02:48:45,080 --> 02:48:47,640
Speaker 1: Oh that might be a cool Yeah. What end of

3735
02:48:47,640 --> 02:48:49,119
Speaker 1: the month December y'all would be inside?

3736
02:48:49,920 --> 02:48:50,160
Speaker 4: All right?

3737
02:48:50,200 --> 02:48:50,320
Speaker 5: Man?

3738
02:48:50,360 --> 02:48:51,200
Speaker 4: We appreciate you, bro.

3739
02:48:51,280 --> 02:48:52,720
Speaker 1: Thank you man. I appreciate you having me.

3740
02:48:52,800 --> 02:48:55,800
Speaker 5: Congrats on the release. Everything I've seen has been amazing.

3741
02:48:56,200 --> 02:49:01,800
Speaker 5: Responsible for real this too, some ship to put together yourself,

3742
02:49:02,000 --> 02:49:03,400
Speaker 5: It's worth thank you for man.

3743
02:49:03,760 --> 02:49:07,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, Man, I appreciate you. Willian now

3744
02:49:09,920 --> 02:49:09,960
Speaker 5: I