WEBVTT - Budget Security Cam Maker Wyze Has a Data Breach 0:00:09.960 --> 0:00:14.840 California's new privacy rights, whys suffers a data leak, What 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:17.000 you need to know about it, Why it might be 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:20.160 easier to file your taxes for free this year, And 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:23.520 the best journaling apps if you're trying to kick off 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:25.720 twenty twenty with a fresh start. 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:27.280 What's going on. I'm Rich Dmiro. 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:29.880 This is Rich on Tech, the podcast where I talk 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:32.360 about the tech stuff I think you should know about. 0:00:32.720 --> 0:00:36.240 Plus it's where I answer your questions. We've got producer 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:39.320 Megan here ready with your questions. 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:40.760 Yes, Happy New Year. 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:43.680 I would like to say that we improved the podcast 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:45.520 for the new year, but we didn't. 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:46.360 Let's be honest. 0:00:46.400 --> 0:00:49.600 I mean I'm basically rolling in here fresh off of 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:53.720 vacation for a week, and I will tell you I 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:57.040 was trying to figure out what made this vacation different 0:00:57.200 --> 0:00:58.320 than other vacations. 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:01.400 And here's what I've realized. It is the first time. 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:04.720 That I had a week off without going out of 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:08.720 town or having family members in town. So by like 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:11.600 day three, day four, I'm like, what is why does 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:14.840 this feel so good? And that's what it was all about. Yeah, 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:18.080 So I literally did not do anything, didn't check email. 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:19.920 I you know, I was on social media once a 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:22.800 day and that was it. It was like it was 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:25.840 just very like get let go of everything and kind 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:28.040 of come back. And now we're getting back into it 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:31.600 because it is it is twenty twenty, and there's no 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:36.400 more fooling around because CS is happening very soon, which 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:40.440 means I try to avoid my emails for the entire week, 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:44.240 but that is nearly impossible because every day and every 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:47.240 tech person I know, you're just getting bombarded with emails 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:49.640 from CS. I'm looking at my calendar for next week 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:54.120 and it is more filled than I've ever seen. There's 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:55.640 no way I'm gonna be able to do all these 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:57.720 things that I actually put in the calendar. 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:00.960 But I will try, yeah, and will be It will 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:01.360 be tough. 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:05.840 But my goal is to always bring the coolest CS coverage. 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:07.920 There's so many things there. I try to find the 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:11.160 stuff that is for the everyday person and stuff that 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:14.400 like will actually come to fruition because a lot of 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:17.040 times there's like pie in the sky, these big ideals, 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:21.240 you know, eight K, sixteen K, that's cool, but I 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:22.600 want to know this stuff that's going to come out 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:24.760 in the next year that's going to be really useful. 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:28.120 And that's going to be uh, maybe not as flashy 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:31.400 as the big stuff that just looks cool on TV, 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:33.920 but but that you know, you can actually use. Like 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:35.920 what you know, if you have Hugh lights in your home, like, well, 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:37.680 what are they coming out with to make those easier? 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:40.000 Or you know, we just had this story come out today. 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:43.040 C by Ge makes some of my favorite lights, and 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:45.200 you know, just last week I was looking for like 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:47.720 a motion sensor for those lights, and it turns out 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:49.919 they're going to be unveiling those as ces. So it's 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:52.000 like little things like that that I think are more interesting. 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:55.919 I also saw a refrigerator that lets you grow your 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:59.320 own indoor vegetables, so I thought that was pretty cool. 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:02.760 I can't wait to see that. Perfect for urban gardeners. 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:05.680 I have a feeling in California people be growing something 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:06.680 other than carrots. 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:09.560 But yeah, we'll see, all right. 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:12.519 So you have probably been getting a lot of emails 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:17.600 from companies about new privacy changes and their privacy policy, 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:20.000 and I know in my email it's just been one 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:22.440 after another and I ignored a lot of them until 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:24.560 I looked into it because a lot of people emailed 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:26.400 me and they're like, Rich, what is going on. 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:27.800 Well, here's the deal. 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:30.359 As of January first, we have a new thing called 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:35.160 the California Consumer Privacy Act, or CCPA, And even if 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:38.000 you don't live in California, this probably will affect you 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:40.280 in certain ways because it's similar to what happened over 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:46.800 in Europe with GDPR. That was their General Data Protection Regulation. Basically, 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:51.120 it's privacy protections for consumers. And even though Europe enacted 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:54.760 those for European consumers, a lot of it transferred over 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:57.280 to the US because look, if you're a company like 0:03:57.320 --> 0:03:59.960 Facebook and you have to abide by all of these 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:04.160 privacy regulations, in many cases, it's much easier just to 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:07.640 put them out for everyone instead of just people in Europe. 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:10.000 I mean, how do you filter a person coming from 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:13.000 Europe to your website and say, oh, only these apply 0:04:13.080 --> 0:04:15.160 to you. And it's the same thing with California. So 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:18.040 now I have to filter someone from Europe and California 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:20.320 and everyone else. It makes it very complicated. So a 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:23.160 lot of these companies are just blanket updating their privacy 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:24.960 policies to kind of apply to everyone. 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:28.120 Here's what this CCPA does for you. 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:31.680 Number One, you can ask a copy to produce or 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:34.440 ask a company to produce a copy of all of 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:36.960 the information it has gathered on you. And a lot 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:40.680 of this is coming from the La Times story. It's 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:43.120 twenty twenty, and you might have some new privacy rights online, 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:45.280 they say, And so that's number one. 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:47.159 Now, that's what GDPR did as well. 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:51.279 And companies like Facebook and Twitter and Google have allowed 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:53.240 you to do this for a long time. They call 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:55.159 it takeout or things like that, where you can just 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:58.080 download a bunch of the information. This is very specific 0:04:58.080 --> 0:04:59.960 about what you should be able to download. 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:00.400 Now. 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:02.039 The other thing you can do is ask for that 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:05.240 information to be deleted, and they will delete it, and 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:07.760 so you can do that as well. And the third 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:10.599 is what they're calling opt out, which seems like it 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:13.640 would be pretty straightforward, but it's really not, because when 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:15.400 you're talking about the internet, like I looked at the 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:18.279 bottom of the La Times website and a lot of 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:20.359 these websites have a new button that says do not 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:23.760 sell my personal information, and you can click it, and 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:26.600 then there's a toggle at the bottom that says, basically, 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:30.000 opt out of all like everything you just collected from 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:32.720 me on this website, don't share it with anyone else. 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:35.360 Don't sell it to anyone else, which is kind of odd. 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:38.840 So you can do that, but it feels like it's 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:40.480 a one time thing, Like I don't think that that 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:43.560 continues for like over and over for every visit through 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:46.120 the time. Well, that's through any website, Like if you 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:48.320 go to the bottom of like a lot of these websites. Now, 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:51.560 let's just look at BuzzFeed, because I'm curious if they're 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:55.159 you know, they're in California, right, they're serving up California. 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:56.920 So let's see if I go all the way down 0:05:57.000 --> 0:05:57.640 to BuzzFeed. 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:00.240 Now, the problem is a lot of these websites, you 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:02.000 can't scroll to the bottom of the website. 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:03.960 There is no bottom on BuzzFeed. 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:04.880 It's just loading. 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:07.360 It just goes and goes. They call that infinite scroll. 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:09.880 So I guess I can't see BuzzFeed. Let's try New 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:13.400 York Times dot com. What's another like news? I guess 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:16.520 we can try ours and see Yeah, okay again New 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:18.800 York Times. I scroll to the bottom and it just 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:21.120 refreshes the whole page. Okay, wait, I think it stopped. 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:25.800 Oh no, I can't. Okay anyway, So that's that's what 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:27.960 the deal is. And you if you really want to 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:31.159 have some fun. I think two takeaways from this. Number One, 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:34.960 California now has one of the strictest online privacy laws 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:37.800 in the nation, which is good. California has always been 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:41.400 ahead when it comes to privacy and rules and regulations and. 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:42.120 All that good stuff. 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:44.800 So it's good it's happening here first, but I think 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:47.240 it kind of filters out to the rest of the nation. 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:49.000 That's number one. 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:52.000 Number Two, these companies are collecting a lot of data 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:54.159 on us, and that's pretty apparent if you want to 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:56.720 look through, like just open one of the emails that 0:06:56.760 --> 0:06:59.240 you've gotten that says we're updating our privacy policy and 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:02.760 just kind of click to the updated policy. And it's 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:05.520 actually written in pretty clear terms what they collect. Like 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:08.400 I was reading the one for Postmates, and they're collecting 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:10.960 like everything like when you're using the app, when you're 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:13.280 opening the app, where you're going, when you're using the app, 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:15.160 They use when you're in motion, so that they know 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:16.840 if you're traveling in front of a business that you 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:17.840 might want to get something from. 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:21.680 I mean, it's really crazy. Wow. Anyway, so it's wild. 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:23.960 It is wild. The new Frontier. 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:28.840 Yeah, well, so that connects to our first question from Gwendolyn, 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:32.880 what is the Facebook privacy notice about? And should we 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:35.920 as users ask for information to be deleted? 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:39.480 So I'm trying to see if I actually got the 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:43.640 Facebook privacy notice from Facebook. I imagine that was probably one 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:46.640 of the first to come through. But let's see, that's 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:49.000 kind of tough to find. There's so many emails with Facebook. 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:52.360 But what she's asking is if you should if you 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:57.040 should opt out with something like Facebook. I'm not sure 0:07:57.080 --> 0:07:59.720 you can opt out because if you go to their 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:03.640 private policy, I mean, to use Facebook, they have to 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:06.000 collect information on you. I mean that's kind of how 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:08.440 it works. Yeah, And if you don't agree to that 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:11.520 policy and you want to opt out, I believe you 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:14.760 basically have to stop using the service because how can 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:18.800 you use Facebook, which is tracking you, your friends, your contacts, 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:21.440 where you go, where you check in, your location, the 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:24.560 things you like, the things you share. How can it 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:27.120 do anything without that information? So if you opt out, 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:28.440 there's really not much you can do. 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:31.000 Basically, you delete your account, Yeah. 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:31.560 That's what I would say. 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:34.640 I mean, you can't really use it without, you know, 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:38.680 without giving them that information. So I think if you 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:41.760 want to opt out, Number one, you can't really use Facebook, 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:44.600 and I'm sure Facebook in their privacy policy says like, look, 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:46.400 if you want to opt out of this, you're welcome to, 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:49.839 but we have to close your account. Because unless there's 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:53.160 a way to use Facebook without all this data being collected, 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:55.280 I don't know it, but that would be pretty amazing 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:58.560 because the way that Facebook makes money is through our data. 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:01.600 I mean, they sell ads against what they know about us, 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:03.720 and that's where you get all those crazy little ads 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:05.720 that people email me about all the time that always 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:06.920 seemed too good to be true. 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:09.040 You know, like what did my wife buy? 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:11.680 Like Lindsay bought like a dress off an ad she 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:13.560 like looked up and all of a sudden, she's like, 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:15.559 the perfect dress popped up in my feed? 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:18.880 Was she talking about it? She was searching for dresses. 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:22.400 But I guess whatever keywords she searched, the companies had 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:24.439 then sold an ad against that, and next thing, you know, 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:26.040 it was like the perfect dress and I forget if 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:28.560 it worked out or not, but you know it's all 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:30.600 these companies do the same thing, but that's how they work. 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:32.480 Yeah, they get your data. 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:36.120 So Gwendolyn, I think if you are not comfortable with 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:39.320 what Facebook is doing. Then you can opt out, but 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:41.240 really I think opt out means that you got to 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:44.640 quit the service. That's kind of the agreement is like, hey, 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:46.400 we'll use all the stuff that you feed to us 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:49.800 and give you this free service that has connected billions 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:52.160 of people around the world in really interesting ways. And 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:55.320 let's not forget that Facebook also owns Instagram, so the 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:57.520 same thing is happening there and Instagram. 0:09:57.520 --> 0:09:59.120 At this point, I would argue. 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:02.679 It's probably not more popular, like theoretically, like it feels 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:05.360 like numbers wise, yeah, but it feels like when I'm 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:08.079 looking at people scrolling, they're on Instagram. 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:10.040 Not so much Facebook anymore, although I still see a 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:14.319 lot of Facebook. All right, let's talk about more privacy stuff. 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:16.920 This happened over the break. I call it the break. 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:18.760 I mean, we didn't have a podcast last week, so 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:23.400 theoretically there was a little break. Why you might remember 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:26.600 that name because myself, along with a lot of other people, 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:30.000 recommended their cameras and this is a very popular security 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:32.679 camera because it was super cheap. It was I think 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:36.240 about twenty dollars for the wisecam, and that's what made 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:38.959 it seem too good to be true. And I hate 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:41.480 for people to think like, oh, I told you so rich, 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:44.199 because you said this was such a good thing, and 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:47.760 now look at what happened. They got breached. They suck, 0:10:48.280 --> 0:10:50.960 And I don't think that's the case here. Yeah, the 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:53.360 camera's twenty bucks. They actually have a nice black version. 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:55.600 Now it's kind of cool. But the beauty of this 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:58.600 little camera is that nobody could believe, in a world 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:01.800 of one hundred dollars security care, that any company could 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:03.520 come up with a twenty dollars camera. 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:06.160 And what they did was they just made it simpler 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:06.840 and easier. 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:09.240 And these were smart guys that used to work at 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:12.319 Amazon and gals and they just said, hey, let's make 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:16.120 a device you know that's twenty dollars and it does 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:17.960 all the things you need. And the best part about 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:21.920 Ways or whys rather ways, is the way you navigate. 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:26.040 The best part about Whys is that it will take 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:28.400 little clips and send them to the cloud for you 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:29.000 for free. 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:30.480 And it's not unlimited. 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:32.760 It's like fourteen days worth of clips, and they're limited 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:34.760 to a certain amount of time, maybe ten seconds. But 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:36.839 if someone breaks into your home, oh you need is 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:39.120 a thirty second clip of them, you know, moving in 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:40.679 front of the camera and you've got their face. 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:43.560 So that was really cool, and a lot of you 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:44.280 bought these things. 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:46.760 I mean, I think this Wyse story was one of 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:49.800 the most popular stories we did in either twenty seventeen 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:50.520 or twenty eighteen. 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:52.480 I can't remember what year it was, but it was 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:53.160 a couple of years. 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:54.800 Ago and it was super I mean, I got emails 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:58.560 about this camera four months on end, and I don't 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:00.000 think that I was wrong about this company. 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:01.120 I still would recommend them. 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:02.880 In fact, I have one of these in my house 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:06.319 that my kid used to try to capture Sanna on 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:12.560 Christmas Eve. But here's what happened in this breach. Basically 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:16.640 what was stolen was or what was exposed I should say, 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:20.440 because no one has necessarily used this information in nefarious ways. 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:21.679 It's just it's out there. 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:23.240 But why is nickname? 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:26.520 So what you called your cameras in the app, device names, 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:30.400 user emails, your profile photos, your WiFi router name, and 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:34.160 also some Alexa integration tokens. So if you had one 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:38.480 of these connected to either Alexa or Google Assistant, that 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:41.560 connection you might have noticed broke over the holidays and 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:43.440 you're probably sitting there going wait, why is this no 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:45.160 longer working with Alexa or Google. 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:47.720 That's because as a precaution. 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:50.920 They just reset all those tokens, so you just have 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:53.160 to go in and re establish that connection. 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:55.760 So who was affected by the breach? 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:58.520 At first they were saying people that signed up December 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:02.000 fourth through twenty sixth. It's all users that created an 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:05.959 account prior to December twenty sixth. But what was not 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:09.000 taken or what was not the information did not contain 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:14.000 is passwords, personal financial data which aka credit cards, and 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:18.520 video file. So those three things arguably are the things 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:20.839 that you would worry about the most in a security breach. 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:23.400 So with that said, it's like, okay, you could breathe 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:25.200 a little sigh of relief, but at the same time, 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:28.880 if you named your camera you know, something really interesting, 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:31.480 you know, like a funny name, and it's linked to 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:36.720 your username, that could be kind of embarrassing. Otherwise it's 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:38.840 it's kind of like we dodged a little bullet here, 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:42.640 because you know, it's it's bad. Anytime that data is 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:45.000 stolen or exposed, it's not good and we don't like 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:46.800 to hear that. And it gives whyse kind of like, 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:48.679 you know, people are like I knew that was a 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:49.320 cheap camera. 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:50.760 Maybe their security is not that good. 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:54.200 And if you look at Whyse's forum where they talk 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:56.640 about a lot of these questions, they say they actually 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:57.720 have a question that I thought was. 0:13:57.720 --> 0:14:01.000 Great, let me find it here in this paperwork. 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:03.760 My hands are so dry every time before CES, my 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:06.640 hands get it like the driest possible. And then CS 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:08.960 doesn't help because it's the driest place on the planet. 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:11.880 You need those gloves. I like lotion gloves. 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:15.480 Okay, so your full disclosure. There was a year at 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:18.120 CES I actually slept in those, Yeah. 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:19.080 Because I had to. 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:21.800 I was so my hands were so dry that I 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:24.360 was like, this is who wants to see dry cractically 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:28.280 red hands. It's ridiculous. And we live in LA which 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:30.200 I don't even understand. But and then at C, yes, 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:31.640 you're washing your hands a lot because you don't want 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:32.000 to get sick. 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:33.000 So it's this whole big thing. 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:35.120 But it's funny you say that because I actually went 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:36.800 out and bought those one year and I slept in them, 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:36.920 and I. 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:39.760 Thought it was the funniest thing ever. If it's weird, 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:41.480 it's weird, but it. 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:44.320 Worked, Okay. So in their blog posts, they say. We've 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:47.320 often heard people say you pay, you pay for what 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:50.040 you get. I think people say you get what you 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:53.640 pay for. I think they got wrong. But assuming WISE 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:57.280 products are less secure because they're less expensive, and why 0:14:57.400 --> 0:15:00.280 says this is not true. We've always taken security very 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:02.840 seriously and were devastated that we let our users. 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:03.120 Down like this. 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:05.840 It's this is a clear signal that we need to 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:09.720 totally revisit all WISE security guidelines and all aspects, better 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:13.040 communicate those protocols to WISE employees, and bump up priority 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:15.320 for user requested security features. 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:17.280 Beyond two factor authentication. 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:20.360 And I think they might force you to put on 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:23.680 two factor authentication at this point, which you should. But 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:28.840 what happened here? How did this get exposed? Well, let's 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:30.000 see how did they do it? 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:31.880 One or something? 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:35.880 Yeah, I guess, let's see here, let's see. Says, we've 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:38.520 been auditing all of our servers and databases. We discovered 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:41.960 an additional database that was left unprotected anyway. Basically, yeah, 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:45.080 something went wrong, so they figured it out. And if 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:46.920 you have a WISE camera, I don't think all is lost. 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:50.360 I just think that with anything, always set up two 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:53.720 factor authentication and always understand that with all of these 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:56.800 IoT devices, there's always a chance this can happen. Yeah, 0:15:56.800 --> 0:15:59.720 and I will say in this respect, I think we 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:02.280 got the best case scenario, which is your credit card 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:06.560 and your video files were not leaked, right, So. 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:08.280 That's good news. Okay. 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:11.440 Our next question comes from Lucy and she wrote in 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:15.160 on rich on tech dot tv. She filled out the 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:17.640 contact section and that's how she was able to send 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:20.400 this question. As we begin a new decade, I would 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:22.920 like to clean out my drawers and closets of old 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:28.840 technology devices. I have broken tablets, iPhones, trio, refurbished laptops, 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:32.360 basically a decade of old technology and power chords. I 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:35.160 don't want to just trash them in an e waste collection. 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:38.800 I would really like to go through saved pictures and documents. 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:40.840 Is there a way to do this? Can you help me? 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:43.720 Okay, a couple questions, I think. 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:47.400 Well, let's see the first question about these saved documents 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:50.800 and photos. I mean, there's not really a simple way 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:52.200 to do that. You kind of have to power all 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:54.360 these things up and go through and just kind of 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:56.840 collect the stuff that's on them. I mean there's no 0:16:57.000 --> 0:16:59.760 like magical formula. Now, there used to be a device 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:01.640 I would have recommended, but it went out of business. 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:03.560 It was this little box and I'm trying to remember 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:05.479 the name of it, but it was a little box 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:08.200 that you would plug your devices into and would basically 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:11.159 like find all the pictures off those devices and kind 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:12.920 of put it on that box. Oh and it was 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:14.679 kind of cool, but it went out of business. So 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:16.880 I have this box sitting at home with all these 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:19.200 pictures on it that I can no longer access. And 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:21.159 I will tell you that they did give me a 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:24.240 runway of like times running out, you need to get 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:26.320 all those photos off, and I just never did, okay, 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:27.960 and so now I just have this box forever. 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:30.360 That's uh, You'll never be able to get anything out 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:30.600 of it. 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:33.560 Yeah, basically, I'm sure maybe one day if I've really tried. 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:35.040 But yeah, So the first thing you got to do 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:37.119 is go through and try to get all these documents off, 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:40.160 which means powering up those computers. I would recommend probably 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:42.440 the easiest thing to do is just get Google Photos 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:45.240 for the photos. You literally install it on the computer 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:47.280 with their special helper app and it will scan the 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:49.080 hard drive and upload all the photos to there. I 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:51.040 would do that with the documents you're just gonna have 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:52.000 to go through and kind. 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:54.520 Of grab what's what you need. Yeah, I love that 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:57.159 you have a Palm Trio. I will tell you a story. 0:17:57.320 --> 0:18:00.480 I've been obsessed with cell phones for my entire life basically, 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:04.000 and I remember making my wife drive. 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:06.600