Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.
Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford sitting next to my partner in crime,
Speaker 1: West Hodkowitz. Were coming to you here from our studios
Speaker 1: at lambeau Field, back from Santa Clara, California, West and
Speaker 1: the Packers two thousand nineteen season unfortunately has come to
Speaker 1: an end to loss in the NFC title Game to
Speaker 1: the San Francisco forty Niners. And there are a lot
Speaker 1: of different ways we can try to go about dissecting this,
Speaker 1: but for me, we all know the Packers needed to
Speaker 1: play better than they did in San Francisco in Week
Speaker 1: twelve in order to get a different result, and the
Speaker 1: bottom line is they didn't play better and because of that,
Speaker 1: the San Francisco forty Niners. Hats off to them. They
Speaker 1: are clearly the best team in the NFC and they
Speaker 1: will represent the conference in Super Bowl. And from just perspective,
Speaker 1: you feel really good for Kyle Shanahan, Robert Sala, everybody
Speaker 1: over there on that side of things, because San Francisco,
Speaker 1: it's it's the very beginning is been a tremendous you know, uh,
Speaker 1: They've done a tremendous job all season long in terms
Speaker 1: of what they were able to do and how they
Speaker 1: were able to accomplish it. And you know, they came
Speaker 1: in and they did what they were supposed to do
Speaker 1: in this game. And you know, it was an interesting
Speaker 1: game plan. If you would have told me going into
Speaker 1: this thing that Jimmy Garoppolo was only going to throw
Speaker 1: the ball eight times eight times, I don't think I
Speaker 1: would have believed you. But and then you know, certainly
Speaker 1: Tevin Coleman has kind of been their bell couse, sort
Speaker 1: of the power back for them. Well, he gets injured
Speaker 1: with the shoulder injury, and where he mostart who was
Speaker 1: probably one of the better stories in the NFL this
Speaker 1: season when you consider where he came from, the amount
Speaker 1: of stops he had leading up to San Francisco, and
Speaker 1: even when he got to the forty niners he was
Speaker 1: mostly a special team's hand. And then here he is
Speaker 1: now six yards per carry for his career during the
Speaker 1: regular season and he busts out for two or twenty
Speaker 1: yards in this game against Green Bay. The Packers did
Speaker 1: not have an answer for them. And you know, guys
Speaker 1: in the locker room, Blake Martinez among them, talked about it.
Speaker 1: I mean they just San Francisco was able to switch
Speaker 1: things up enough with their run concepts that the Packers
Speaker 1: were never able to get comfortable outside of really that
Speaker 1: opening drive where they went three and out. Beyond that,
Speaker 1: San Francisco was able to move the ball at will.
Speaker 1: And when you give up that amount of rushing yards
Speaker 1: two five rushing yards, it's just it's it's that's a
Speaker 1: big uphill battle to climb. Yeah, it was a combination
Speaker 1: of two things in the first half in which the
Speaker 1: Packers fell behind twenty seven and nothing. It was the
Speaker 1: inability to stop the run with most Are doing the
Speaker 1: vast majority of that damage, and then the Packers making
Speaker 1: mistakes on offense. You look at most Are, I believe
Speaker 1: he's been released cut like a half dozen times in
Speaker 1: his career. He ends up with the two and twenty
Speaker 1: yards and four touchdowns. He becomes the first player in
Speaker 1: NFL history with two d plus yards and four rushing
Speaker 1: touchdowns in a playoff game. The tuner and twenty yards
Speaker 1: is the second most rushing yards in a playoff game
Speaker 1: by an individual, behind only Eric Dickerson, who of course
Speaker 1: is in the Hall of Fame. And on the Packers
Speaker 1: side of things, you know, whether you're talking about penalties
Speaker 1: or sacks or a fumbled snap when it's looking like
Speaker 1: you're going to get on the board at seventeen to nothing, now,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you can say, hey that, you know,
Speaker 1: if the Packers get it to seventeen seven there, maybe
Speaker 1: it's a different game. Yet. Maybe it is, but maybe
Speaker 1: it isn't if you can't stop the run, because, um,
Speaker 1: what San Francisco was doing in this game on the ground,
Speaker 1: as you said, the Packers just didn't have an answer
Speaker 1: for it. And when I sort of described it an
Speaker 1: inside or inbox as I was writing in the wee
Speaker 1: hours of the morning on the plane coming back, when
Speaker 1: it's third and eight and a simple handoff goes thirty
Speaker 1: six yards for a touchdown, you kind of go oh,
Speaker 1: because that's not that's not how that's supposed to happen.
Speaker 1: And it looked way too easy for the forty niners,
Speaker 1: and it just kind of stayed easy through the bulk
Speaker 1: of the ball well, and the Packers had shifted to
Speaker 1: their dime there and they had run mostly based up
Speaker 1: to that point. And for the most part, the Packers,
Speaker 1: I actually think, have defended the run all right. On
Speaker 1: draw plays with their dimes scheme this year, that wasn't
Speaker 1: one of them, and most Are was able to get through.
Speaker 1: I wrote about it in our game notes. Six of
Speaker 1: their ten longest plays went through he Mostert and he
Speaker 1: you know, it was a thirty six yard carry. That
Speaker 1: was his big game, the touchdown. But other than that,
Speaker 1: it was just consistently being able to move the chains
Speaker 1: and have explosive plays when they needed them. The thing
Speaker 1: that's tough for Green Bay in a game like this
Speaker 1: is that you pointed it out. I mean, offensively, they
Speaker 1: just shot themselves in the foot too much in the
Speaker 1: first half. Second half, they actually turned it up a
Speaker 1: little bit. You saw Davante Adams get going. I thought
Speaker 1: they were playing a little bit more free. Jimmy Graham
Speaker 1: had a big catch. Certainly Aaron Jones didn't have a
Speaker 1: bevy of opportunities, but I thought played pretty well with
Speaker 1: the ones he did receive. But defensively, they could never
Speaker 1: get the stop or the takeaway that they needed. Believe
Speaker 1: it was five games this or where San Francisco and
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo did not have a turnover, and two of
Speaker 1: those were against Green Bay. So you can have some
Speaker 1: of those missed opportunities. You can miss some tackles, but
Speaker 1: if you give up the ball and you're not able
Speaker 1: to force it and get gash for those explosive plays,
Speaker 1: it's it's a very difficult battle to be able to
Speaker 1: wage against a team like San Francisco. You and I
Speaker 1: discussed this about you go back to that Lions game
Speaker 1: at Ford Field. Like you, it was an up and
Speaker 1: down game for Green Bay. They rallied late. When you
Speaker 1: get to the postseason and you're against a team like
Speaker 1: the forty Niners who are as good and as disciplined
Speaker 1: and so many different aspects of the game, they're just
Speaker 1: not going to afford you those opportunities to call yourself
Speaker 1: back into it. And the result was what it was. Well,
Speaker 1: you knew when the Packers were down to nothing in
Speaker 1: the turnover category at halftime and facing such a big
Speaker 1: deficit it was going to take a turnover to to
Speaker 1: really turn the tide in this game. But you know,
Speaker 1: turnovers come by either most of the time, sack fumbles
Speaker 1: on the quarterback or interceptions. And if you're not making
Speaker 1: the quarterback throw the ball, you're not gonna be able
Speaker 1: to get those turnovers. And the forty Owners just controlled
Speaker 1: things at the line of scrimmage. They um, they just
Speaker 1: they look dominant. And I'll say this too. It as
Speaker 1: I was kind of pondering all this flying back on
Speaker 1: the on the plane late last night, you looked at
Speaker 1: the NFC and how much of a meat grinder the
Speaker 1: NFC was this year. The Vikings were a good team,
Speaker 1: The Saints were a good team, Seahawks were pretty good.
Speaker 1: Packers obviously were good, but all the rest of those
Speaker 1: teams were still kind of just grinding along. In the playoffs,
Speaker 1: the forty Niners found another level. They dominated Minnesota, they
Speaker 1: dominated the Green Bay Packers. And as good as the
Speaker 1: NFC was, the forty Niners were the one team in
Speaker 1: that group of good teams in the NFC that rose
Speaker 1: to another place in January. And that's why they're going
Speaker 1: to the Super Well And and this is the part
Speaker 1: I wanted to get into later in the show, but heck,
Speaker 1: why not just get into it now? Uh, San Francisco,
Speaker 1: Like they're the standard right now. They're the standard bearer
Speaker 1: for the NFC. And we'll find out here in two
Speaker 1: weeks maybe for the NFL in terms of how they
Speaker 1: play in where they can win football games. For Green Bay,
Speaker 1: they are ahead of schedule, and that's one of the
Speaker 1: things I'm sure you and I'll be discussing a lot
Speaker 1: this week. Nobody anticipated the thirteen win season, being back,
Speaker 1: to get in the playoffs and also get a first
Speaker 1: round by to win a game, to get back to
Speaker 1: your third NFC championship game in six years. All those
Speaker 1: things were phenomenal and terrific. But San Francisco, once Jimmy
Speaker 1: Garoppolo got back, and once they got through that early
Speaker 1: gamut in that first month of the season, people really
Speaker 1: start to think, Okay, this guy, this team was sort
Speaker 1: of a quarterback away, a pass rusher away, and you
Speaker 1: could kind of see I mean I was saying it.
Speaker 1: I remember the conversation we had with Wayne Larvy during
Speaker 1: one of our pepperis I set it back in September
Speaker 1: and early October. I mean, San Francisco to me was
Speaker 1: one of the best teams, if not the best team
Speaker 1: in the NFL at that point, because they did all
Speaker 1: the little things right, and they're incredibly fast, incredibly discipline
Speaker 1: and in between the hashes, really tough on both sides
Speaker 1: of the ball. For Green Bay, where they need to
Speaker 1: look at now going in this offseason is that you
Speaker 1: are ahead of schedule. And I'm writing this an Insider
Speaker 1: inbox for Tuesday. This is a tremendous opportunity ahead of
Speaker 1: them right now. But they have to be pragmatic. They
Speaker 1: have to be disciplined in what they do and how
Speaker 1: they approached this offseason to reach that next level. Last year,
Speaker 1: John Lynch felt like, you need to go add d Ford.
Speaker 1: Look at what de Ford added to this to this defense.
Speaker 1: You've seen Joe, you know, Nick Bosa come in, have
Speaker 1: what he's done, the speed of their linebackers, having a
Speaker 1: veteran like Richard Sherman. I don't, as Aaron Rodgers said,
Speaker 1: I don't see the Packers as being that far away
Speaker 1: from where the forty niners are. But they need a smart,
Speaker 1: savvy offseason to make that next step. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: want to get into a little bit more of Aaron
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Speaker 1: We believe in better, all right, well, Aaron Rodgers. Obviously
Speaker 1: he's gone to the podium three times now in January
Speaker 1: after an NFC championship loss on the road, and this one,
Speaker 1: this was a different press conference. You know, obviously we
Speaker 1: don't need to revisit Seattle and the heartbreak of all
Speaker 1: of that. But three years ago against the Atlanta Falcons,
Speaker 1: the Packers were dominated, um on the scoreboard and all
Speaker 1: of that UM and Rogers. Rogers message, other than saying, hey,
Speaker 1: we need to get a championship game at home, which
Speaker 1: is something he still hasn't had yet in his career,
Speaker 1: but as much as then was you know, hey we
Speaker 1: gotta go all in. It's it's about it's about having
Speaker 1: that that franchise changing off season. Well, it took a
Speaker 1: couple of years. That franchise changing off season was this
Speaker 1: past and so Roger's message after the game last night
Speaker 1: against San Francisco was he he really feels the window
Speaker 1: is open for this team, that there's there's a core
Speaker 1: here now that Matt Lafleur as a Now we'll be
Speaker 1: heading into his second year as a head coach, the
Speaker 1: staff that he's put together, Brian Goudacunstall being his third
Speaker 1: year as the general manager in charge of the roster.
Speaker 1: There's a core here now to work with to figure out,
Speaker 1: then what are the extra pieces that are needed to
Speaker 1: move forward. It's not it's not about it's not about
Speaker 1: needing some kind of an overhaul anymore, because that overhaul happened.
Speaker 1: And Aaron Rodgers is he's he's very he's very optimistic.
Speaker 1: He says he has a lot of trust in the leadership,
Speaker 1: both personnel department, coaching staff. He has a lot of
Speaker 1: trust in the leadership of the team, the locker room
Speaker 1: as well himself included. As to where this team is headed.
Speaker 1: In as much as a loss in the conference championship
Speaker 1: when you're sixty minutes away from Super Bowl, as much
Speaker 1: as it stings, and it's still going to sting for
Speaker 1: a while, I just get the sense that the Packers
Speaker 1: are going to be heading into an off season with
Speaker 1: a really different feel this time than even three years
Speaker 1: ago when they got to the same point in the postseason. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's a much different scenario this year and this
Speaker 1: this time around. You know a couple of things that
Speaker 1: the first thing I thought Aaron Rodgers that the line
Speaker 1: he had about how you know this was fun again,
Speaker 1: you know, and and him enjoying this season. Now, I
Speaker 1: obviously I mentioned this a number of times on this
Speaker 1: show over the last episodes. I didn't cover the Packers
Speaker 1: daily like you did in two thousand ten and two
Speaker 1: thousand eleven. But this was my eighth full time season
Speaker 1: on this beat, and Mike, this was the tightest locker
Speaker 1: room by far. It wasn't close. Two thousand and fourteen
Speaker 1: was a great team. They were a phenomenally talented team
Speaker 1: that was a super Bowl caliber squad. No doubt, that
Speaker 1: team wasn't as tight knit as what this team was
Speaker 1: in terms of the that X factor that she always
Speaker 1: talked about. And I think that's one of the reasons
Speaker 1: why is I walked in that locker room on Sunday night,
Speaker 1: that that locker room was, you know, as emotional as
Speaker 1: anyone I've ever been, and even more so in some
Speaker 1: regards than two thousand fourteen, because guys understood what they
Speaker 1: had accomplished and what it meant that that the health
Speaker 1: of the team, the way that they came together. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, they didn't lose back to back games all season.
Speaker 1: That's not easy to do when you're looking at you know,
Speaker 1: guys coming in in April installing and I had a
Speaker 1: conversation with Mason Crosby as he was leaving locker room,
Speaker 1: and he mentioned, it's just it's tough. It is tough
Speaker 1: when you make it this far and you're that close
Speaker 1: to your goals, and he's like, you know, it's you're tired.
Speaker 1: You know it's been a long run and you just
Speaker 1: want to make it that one extra step. But the
Speaker 1: nice thing for this team, I think, even more so
Speaker 1: than two thousand fourteen, and definitely more so than two
Speaker 1: thousand sixteen, is they feel like, one, they're credibly young
Speaker 1: in their talented but they also this roster that didn't
Speaker 1: have playoff experience in a lot of ways, and now
Speaker 1: they've got two great examples of it that they can
Speaker 1: build off of. But it needs a productive, healthy offseason.
Speaker 1: They need to take the principles that they've instilled this
Speaker 1: past year under Matt la Fleur, and they need to
Speaker 1: be able to find that path offensively to finding the
Speaker 1: efficiency they look like defensively, finding more consistency and special teams,
Speaker 1: finding the playmakers that they need to make a difference
Speaker 1: there because in so many ways they were exceptional, but
Speaker 1: in so many ways. You also saw what it's going
Speaker 1: to take to be that San Francisco forty Niners type
Speaker 1: Super Bowl contender. Yeah, and I like what you said
Speaker 1: about the locker room in terms of the closeness and
Speaker 1: the tight knit feeling of it, because I would agree
Speaker 1: it's been a long time since I've been in a
Speaker 1: Packers locker room that felt this tight. And I will
Speaker 1: say two thousand ten the Super Bowl Championship here, obviously
Speaker 1: that was a very tight locker room, but it was
Speaker 1: different because it was a closeness that was fostered by
Speaker 1: circumstance and adversity because you know, Nick Barnett goes down,
Speaker 1: Jare Michael Finley goes down, Mark Tauscher goes down. All
Speaker 1: these starters were getting injured and these other guys have
Speaker 1: to step in, and it was like the team just
Speaker 1: kept getting growing closer and closer because of those circumstances
Speaker 1: and what it had to deal with this team. I
Speaker 1: think you would agree with me. This team felt like
Speaker 1: it was pretty close before it even stepped on the
Speaker 1: field in Chicago on that Thursday night in Week one.
Speaker 1: There was something about the vibe in the locker room
Speaker 1: and you know, everything with the coaching change, and knew
Speaker 1: a lot of new faces in the locker room and
Speaker 1: all of that, all all of the that change can
Speaker 1: bring that about. But I think what was special about
Speaker 1: this group was that that closeness happened so quickly, as
Speaker 1: I say, before they even took the field in a
Speaker 1: regular season game. They seemed to have it. And yeah,
Speaker 1: it's disappointing that it ends here because you had a
Speaker 1: lot of things that went your way. You were a
Speaker 1: really healthy team for the most part. You caught some
Speaker 1: opponents with some injuries that were in your favor because
Speaker 1: they were missing some key players. You came out on
Speaker 1: the on the right end of a lot of really
Speaker 1: close games in one season, which doesn't always happen. A
Speaker 1: lot of times those close games in the fourth quarter
Speaker 1: end up you end up splitting them fifty fifty. The
Speaker 1: Packers didn't split them fifty fifty, and that's why they
Speaker 1: ended up thirteen and three and in the position that
Speaker 1: they were. So there were a lot of things, and
Speaker 1: Rogers even said at the podium after the game, there
Speaker 1: were times where it just felt like maybe this was
Speaker 1: meant to be just the way the way everything was going.
Speaker 1: But quite frankly West, they ran into a juggernaut in
Speaker 1: the San Francisco forty Niners, and that what the forty
Speaker 1: Niners have done the last two weeks is maybe one
Speaker 1: of the most impressive UH playoff runs, if you want
Speaker 1: to call it that, even though it was only two
Speaker 1: games with them being the top seed, but it's one
Speaker 1: of the most impressive playoff runs I've seen in the
Speaker 1: NFL in quite a while. And it is that way, Mike,
Speaker 1: because it looked like they were losing the grasp on
Speaker 1: it in December with five games that all came down
Speaker 1: to the final play. They lose to Atlanta. You know,
Speaker 1: they have the setbacks everything that they barely hang on
Speaker 1: to beat the Seahawks. They barely hung on, you know,
Speaker 1: needed a last second field goal to beat the Rams,
Speaker 1: as you say, every way we talked about that last week.
Speaker 1: Every game for them was coming down to the last minute.
Speaker 1: So it was looking like there were some vulnerabilities there
Speaker 1: from the team that had gone nine and one and
Speaker 1: then got to ten and one by you know, blowing
Speaker 1: out the Packers in Week twelve. But then they found
Speaker 1: they found it again. As I said, they went to
Speaker 1: another level in January when all the rest of these
Speaker 1: very good, very competitive teams in the NFC, we're still
Speaker 1: kind of just grinding away. And I think a lot
Speaker 1: of credit goes to Robert Sala specifically, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan had a role in this too, But they
Speaker 1: made some tough decisions going into the playoffs. They decided
Speaker 1: to go with Mosley as their outside corner opposite of Sherman. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, they made some decisions that were how they
Speaker 1: started this season, but they felt like this is going
Speaker 1: to give us the best chance to win. And defensively,
Speaker 1: I felt like they found a lot of answers. You know,
Speaker 1: this this team and seeing how they match up with
Speaker 1: the with Kansas City, it's going to be very interesting
Speaker 1: because Kansas City in many ways has won the same way,
Speaker 1: but without the run game, in a more dynamic passing game. Now,
Speaker 1: their defense wasn't nearly as suffocating as San Francisco was
Speaker 1: this year, but they can be opportunistic and they can
Speaker 1: make you pay. So it's going to be a very
Speaker 1: captivating Super Bowl fifty four and for Green Bay, and
Speaker 1: I'll even extend this out to Tennessee to two teams
Speaker 1: that that really caught fire at the end of the season. Uh,
Speaker 1: this is this is a big moment for them because
Speaker 1: unlike college football, where you're gonna graduate junior classes and
Speaker 1: senior classes and if you have a lot of talent,
Speaker 1: you have a good feeling that you're gonna compete for
Speaker 1: the national title the next year if you have enough guys,
Speaker 1: returning doesn't always work like that in the NFL. And
Speaker 1: that's why the off scenes is important. That's why making
Speaker 1: sure that the young Ross or that Brian Goodkin is
Speaker 1: built dating back to March and April, not thinking about
Speaker 1: Okay two thousand nineteen or bust, thinking about playing the
Speaker 1: long game. Here. You want to see those strides and
Speaker 1: I feel like, specifically looking at Matt Lafleur's offense, you
Speaker 1: can see how this can be a real juggernaut in
Speaker 1: its own right when Aaron Jones becomes a real solid
Speaker 1: playmaker that you feel like if he stays healthy. Here
Speaker 1: this is this is the type of dynamic, multifaceted playmaker
Speaker 1: that the Packers have been looking for for years. It
Speaker 1: isn't just a running back, it's not just a scat back.
Speaker 1: He's a full fledged can give you everything he's got
Speaker 1: for sixty minutes and do whatever's asked of him and
Speaker 1: accomplish that well. Uh Davantae Adams is at the peak
Speaker 1: of his powers. You saw a guy like Alan Lazard
Speaker 1: step in. Elton Jenkins looks like the type of left
Speaker 1: guard that you could stick in there for the next
Speaker 1: ten years if you need to do it. And defensively,
Speaker 1: the pieces that were added Sa Darius and Preston Smith
Speaker 1: both seven years old at this point, Adrian Amos, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of things to be excited about right now
Speaker 1: for Green Bay with what they did find. Can you
Speaker 1: go back You're not gonna be able to make four
Speaker 1: high profile signings again, Yeah you can't. Yeah, you're not
Speaker 1: gonna be able to go out and spend a second
Speaker 1: year in a row in from the agency like the
Speaker 1: like the Packers did this past year. It doesn't work
Speaker 1: that way. But you still we know Brian Goodakut is
Speaker 1: going to be active. He's proven he's shown in his
Speaker 1: time as GM when he said when he took over,
Speaker 1: we're going to be involved in every conversation. We're going
Speaker 1: to explore every avenue to improve the team. He has
Speaker 1: stood by his word, and not just in the off season,
Speaker 1: but during the season as well. And those are the
Speaker 1: things Rogers talked about. When you're picking up guys like
Speaker 1: Tyler Irvin, Jared Veldeer, b J Goodson, these other role
Speaker 1: player type of guys that have experience in the NFL
Speaker 1: that can step in and help you out. They're not
Speaker 1: it's not just some undrafted rookie off the bench who's
Speaker 1: got to step in in a big moment. Those are
Speaker 1: the kinds of things where this Packers roster has has
Speaker 1: taken a step forward, and now it's a matter of
Speaker 1: continuing that and sticking to that approach in the in
Speaker 1: the process as you move forward. And this is where
Speaker 1: I go back to the pregnatic. You know, kind of
Speaker 1: aspect of this is Brian Goodkins has to be really
Speaker 1: diligent there. His front office has to be really diligent.
Speaker 1: Who do you resign? Who do you look to add?
Speaker 1: Is there a DeFord type player out there? That's a
Speaker 1: pretty extreme example, considering he was on a franchise tag
Speaker 1: last year, but you know, one big playmaker that you
Speaker 1: feel can be a missing piece. All those things factor
Speaker 1: into this, and it's the reason why I think there's
Speaker 1: a lot of optimism right now. If you talk to
Speaker 1: that locker room because they feel like they aren't that
Speaker 1: far away. But you have to make a count, no
Speaker 1: question about it. Yeah, all right, Well, we will talk
Speaker 1: about some of those offseason issues and players whose contracts
Speaker 1: are up and all that as the week goes along
Speaker 1: here with the two thousand nineteen season in the books,
Speaker 1: But for now, we're going to call it a wrap
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