1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky 2 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: Brooks was there. 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 2: Everybody welcome to move to six. I'm Bucky Brooks and 4 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 2: I'm joined by my guy lance Z stepping in for DJ. 5 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 2: Lance was going on how they sound putting it down. 6 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: It's good, it's good. You know, we're just doing something 7 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 1: you're not doing right now, which is advancing the dancing 8 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: in those Major League Baseball playoffs, and. 9 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 2: Like so it's such haters, Like I just thought the 10 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 2: thing and we won't talk about baseball long. We'll get 11 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 2: to these rookie impact scores in the Game of the week. 12 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 2: But I just saw a thing where I did not 13 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 2: know that the Astros have been to seventh straight. Yeah, 14 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 2: championship series. That's kind of it's kind of crazy. Justin 15 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 2: Baker has has it going. I saw them getting after 16 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 2: my Dodgers, Phil could put went flat on their face. 17 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 2: And so it is now basketball season and football season 18 00:00:55,200 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 2: in LA. The Dodgers are all done. So and look, 19 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 2: I want to I want to get on this Lance 20 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 2: and we'll do it using the guys of the rookie scores, 21 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 2: because I got to ask you about c J. Stroud 22 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 2: in a minute. But first, I got Jack Andre. He 23 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 2: came up with like the the most impactful rookies based 24 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,839 Speaker 2: on score and those things you have. Devin a Chain, 25 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 2: Sam Laporta, Jalil McLoughlin, PJ. Stroud, Jordan Addison were guys 26 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,759 Speaker 2: that were on that lift. And so because CJ. Stroud 27 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 2: is on that lift, and because c J. Stroud is 28 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:34,119 Speaker 2: evidently that dude, hey man, how is h Down feeling 29 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 2: about their franchise quarterback? 30 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 1: Man, They're very high on them. This is this is 31 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: a thing where people, you know, originally were upset that 32 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: the Texans missed out on the first pick of the 33 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: draft because of a missed interception by you know, by 34 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: the safety Colts and love he screwed it up. Lovey's 35 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: even when he wins, Lovey Smith screws it up. And 36 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: so now we don't get the first pick. 37 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 3: And then you know, the Texans traded a bunch of 38 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 3: draft picks for Will Anderson, who might have been the 39 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 3: second pick if they hadn't have actually decided they wanted 40 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 3: to go quarterback as well, which then necessitated the trade up. 41 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: But I think once they got started, you know, once 42 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: the regular season got started, you got to see that 43 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: you had a quarterback who was actually able to throw 44 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: the you know, throw the ball effectively down the field, 45 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: take care of the football, not make mistakes, not take 46 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: a bunch of sacks. You gotta remember, you had yet 47 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: Derek Carr, who ended up I mean David Carr, who 48 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: got sacked a ton when he was the you know, 49 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: the first quarterbacks NFL records. Then you had Deshaun Watson, 50 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,959 Speaker 1: who was really exciting for Houston, I mean really really 51 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: exciting that he had the injury his rookie year. But 52 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: Deshaun always, you know, it was always a battle to 53 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: try to win from the pocket. He made a lot 54 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: of plays off schedule, which are great. You know, they're 55 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: fun to see, but it's hard to be sustainable when 56 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: you're always doing that. You can see j Strouden here 57 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: and you pair him with an offense said, I think 58 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: really plays best of what he's capable of doing, and 59 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: he's starting with great accuracy. He's not taking sacks unnecessarily, 60 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: he's getting rid of the ball, he's not throwing an area. 61 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: It still doesn't have an interception through five games, which 62 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,399 Speaker 1: is an NFL record, and fans are excited, I mean 63 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: they're really exciting you know, this has been a team. 64 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: I think the Houston Texans, even when they were winning divisions, Bucky, 65 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: they were kind of I think the Astro success starting 66 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen. In this long run, people have just 67 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: kind of they didn't like Bill O'Brien. The Texas didn't 68 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: feel like a team, you know when you compare them 69 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: to the Astros that understood how to build towards a championship. 70 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: And now with Dimiko Ryans, and I think you have 71 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: to mention Demiko Ryans. I mean, Demiko Ryan's coming in 72 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: along with CJ. Stroud has really ignited the city of 73 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: Houston from a football standpoint. It's got people excited about 74 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: going to NFL games again, which has not been the case. 75 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: I mean, honestly since COVID, they people have not cared 76 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: about de text said all that CJ help change out 77 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: a lot. 78 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 2: So here's the thing, Lance, And it's one of those 79 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 2: things where when you're going through the process, you know 80 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like you talk so much about it 81 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 2: on TV the quarterback, which one would you take back 82 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 2: and forth? And having come up with both of those, 83 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 2: Bryce Young and CJ Stroud and watching c J Stroud's growth. 84 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 2: I've always felt like it was one A, one B, 85 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 2: that they were really tight. It should have been a 86 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 2: very very tightly contested, hotly contested debate about which one. 87 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 2: And so you kind of hear all the other stuff. 88 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 2: He falls into that as two trap and people talked 89 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 2: about his cognitive skills and he can't diagnose it and 90 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 2: all of the garbage that goes around that, right, and 91 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 2: then you watch him play Lance and you watch him 92 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 2: play and look, I had a look front row seat 93 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 2: for it when they got their first win against the 94 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 2: Jacksonville Jaguars and he didn't have four of his offensive 95 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 2: linemen with him. I don't know who he had on 96 00:04:55,720 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 2: a perimeter besides Tankdal and he is carving the Jaguars 97 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,239 Speaker 2: up to the point that after the game, the defense 98 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 2: is like, man, we underestimated him, Like he's way better 99 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 2: than we thought. The coaching staff is talking about how 100 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 2: good he is, how poised he is, the fact that 101 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 2: he hasn't turned the ball over and that it never 102 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 2: got what it doesn't seem like the game is too big. 103 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 2: I mean, we're looking at Bryce Young and it's a 104 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 2: difference set of circumstances. I mean, the game looks big 105 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 2: for him down in Carolina. DJ meanwhile, is kind of 106 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 2: playing on a thirty three record pace and never skips 107 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 2: the beat, and he's done it with them, I would say, 108 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 2: a lesser supporting cast. It's been really impressive to watch. 109 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: Really impressive, and that game in particular. And I went 110 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: through and watched all the snaps. I was wife friend 111 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: the Berlin Marathon, so I was out of town for 112 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: a couple of sundays where I missed out on some 113 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: pro football. So I dug back in and I was 114 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: watching all the snaps, watching all of Bryce Young, I mean, 115 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: other CJ. Stroud snaps. And one of the things that 116 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 1: stands out to me is that, you know, I get that. 117 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: I've had conversations with Brandon. I think it's Ellie. Who 118 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: is Elie Ellie who's one of the guys who created 119 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: the S two. And it's not you know, it's not 120 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: an intelligence test. It's, as you mentioned, a cognitive processing 121 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: test that was that's very big in baseball, for example, 122 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: they use it for people. You know. One of the 123 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: things they do is is can you can you see 124 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: the baseball? How do you see the baseball coming out 125 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: of the hands? How quickly can you process that so 126 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: that you have better play discipline. It's it's it's a 127 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: fascinating conversation with these guys. And they also did it 128 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: with a college team with drug testing to find out 129 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: how much better the cognitive processing was when a player 130 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: who had tested positive for drug testing was then clean, 131 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: and those numbers, as you can imagine, were much higher, 132 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: much better. So there's a lot that goes into it. 133 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 1: I think a lot was more was made out of 134 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: it in the media than maybe was made out of 135 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 1: it from the guys who created the S two tests, 136 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: who will tell you it's just one little piece of it. 137 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: But I think that. See. One of the things that 138 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: is impressive to me is that you know measure risk reward. 139 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: The S two does CJ. Stroud. He may have scored low, 140 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: I guess. I don't know, but his risk of reward 141 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: watching him on tape is very good. It's it's been 142 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: very good. I already know he's an accurate passer, the 143 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: most accurate passer in the draft by far. But what 144 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: I've been really impressed with is he's thinking quickly in 145 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: terms of he has a post snap plan of where 146 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: he wants to go at the ball. Now, eventually I 147 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: expected to get more aggressive where he will start to 148 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: be comfortable with the defense and say, you know what, 149 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna try this intermedia throw here, I'm gonna challenge 150 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: this throw. But he's been five games into the NFL 151 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: and already he's figured out, I'm going to take what 152 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: the defense gives me. If you mess around and the 153 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: safety's trying to come up, we're gonna take some shots 154 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: down the field if we need to. But I've just 155 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: been really impressed with his ability to process what the 156 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: defense is doing and then make the smart play. He's 157 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: made so many smart plays, and I don't think people understand, Bucky, 158 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: you will to be a rookie quarterback in a new 159 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: offense with new termine and to try to get used 160 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,559 Speaker 1: to taking snaps under center from time to time as well. 161 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: And then he doesn't turn the ball over like that's 162 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: in five games. That's almost unheard of. That's extremely difficult 163 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: to do, and you can't do that without a player 164 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: who values the football. He's not taking sacks like he's 165 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: not and you just mentioned it, dude, he was. 166 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 4: With four starting offensive linemen at like four I mean 167 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 4: he had he had guys who are not even going 168 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 4: to be in the league in two years, who were 169 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 4: protecting him for the for two games in a row 170 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 4: where he was not sacked at all. 171 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: So yeah, people need to understand that the quarterback position, 172 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: it's more than just making this thrower that throw. He's 173 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: managing ball games. He is being a play manager, a 174 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: game manager. He is being and if you listen to 175 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: him in his postgame interviews, he's got a great football 176 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: like you just really has a great sense of what 177 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: defenses are trying to do to him. There was a 178 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: you know, there was a story I heard out there 179 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 1: from from a trusted a trusted source who said, you know, 180 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: CJ wasn't he's a guy who needs to really truly 181 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: believe that, you know, ball at a very high level 182 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: because he feels like he knows that. And and there 183 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: were some questions about, you know, coachability at Ohio State, 184 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 1: where he just pretty much trusted Ryan Day, the play caller, 185 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: and that was his guy. And you know, maybe he 186 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,079 Speaker 1: wasn't is tuned in with the offensive coordinator or whatever. 187 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: It was more just the guy who's running the offense. 188 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 1: He's been great with Bobby Slowick, the offensive play caller 189 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,719 Speaker 1: for the Houston Texans. UH credits Bobby for a lot 190 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: of things and really has understood how to, you know, 191 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: how to manage the quarterback position. So I've watched Brece Young, 192 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: I've watched Anthony Richardson. But when it's all said and done, 193 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 1: right now, right now, First it's just five games. 194 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:47,719 Speaker 3: But c J. 195 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: Stroud's playing like a veteran. He's the only one that's 196 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: like a veteran out of the work. 197 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 2: Absolutely, And it's funny that you bring that up, because 198 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 2: let's dig deeper into the class that the teching because 199 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 2: it's not only CJ. Strive. You brought up Will Anderson. 200 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 2: How about some of the other guys that they have 201 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 2: that absleute ball at Kank Dill. Yeah, you just see that, 202 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 2: just all their guys. They've been nailing them and it's. 203 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: Been a good draft. Will Anderson has been a very 204 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,199 Speaker 1: good leader. He's a he's a he's a locker room 205 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 1: leader and a leader on the field. He brings that 206 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 1: Nick Saban mentality of this is what it's it's really 207 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: it's I say, Nick sab sab it. It's really more 208 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: mirroring Demiko Ryans. If you really want to know the 209 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: truth because he believes that. I think I think the 210 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: reason Demiko really wanted Will Anderson is because he may 211 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 1: see some of himself and Will Anderson, and this is 212 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:36,839 Speaker 1: a guy who is going to help me change the 213 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,719 Speaker 1: culture on this team into a winning culture. He's got 214 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: to rush the quarterback better, bucket. I think he's got 215 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: to find ways to get to the quarterback. He's got 216 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: to get more creative. But he's had a good year. 217 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: Henry Tuotuo from Alabama has done a nice job as well. 218 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: He's a guy that when I watched him, you know, 219 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: I questioned his sideline to sideline speed. But he's a 220 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 1: very technically sound and smart inside linebacker and he's done 221 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: a really nice job. But as you mentioned Tank Dell 222 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: man the pre draft process, if once you saw Tank 223 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: for the first time, if you didn't watchhim at University 224 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: of Houston, and then you saw him at the Senior Bowl, 225 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:13,959 Speaker 1: there's no way you could ignore Tank Dell. If you 226 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: just turned on tape and you hadn't watched games on TV, 227 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: and you turned on tape and focused on Tank Dell, 228 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: it was like, dude, people can't cover him. He's you 229 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: can't cover him now I'm going to ask you this 230 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 1: question because you've been on teams and you understand that 231 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: size does matter in the NFL. Oftentimes Tank is out 232 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: this week. More than likely he's going to be out 233 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 1: this week. And he was knocked out a last week's 234 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: game with a concussion. He did a great job of 235 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: pulling a ball up off the ground and securing it 236 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: into his chest, but landed, you know, as he was 237 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: coming down. He landed on his head and he has 238 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: a concussion. He's a guy that's played in one hundred 239 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 1: and fifties at Houston. He waited in the low one 240 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: sixties at the Combine. Is this should this be an 241 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: immediate concern for the Texans that they have a small 242 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:00,199 Speaker 1: wide receiver with a concussion, with his first NFL concussion 243 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: five weeks into his rookie season. 244 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, look, man, you're trying not to put 245 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 2: that on them. I think you're more worried if he 246 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 2: has some other stuff before that happened. But it's one 247 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 2: of the things besides guys then you can't really talk 248 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 2: about the head. But so durability is a huge is 249 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 2: a huge factor. I mean, if if we're talking about Tankdale, 250 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 2: but we mentioned Anthony Rinston. Anthony Brinston has been banged 251 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 2: up in three of the games that they played and 252 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 2: he's at all. Yeah. And so with Tank Dill, the 253 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 2: thing that I would say watching him, man, he went 254 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 2: to work on the Jackson with Jaguars. He went to 255 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 2: work the entire training camp. Every time you watched him 256 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 2: in preseason, he was just getting open, uh, time and 257 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 2: time again. And the fact that he just he and C. J. 258 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 2: Stroud have this connection. But man, you're willing to live 259 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,439 Speaker 2: with it that that this rookie class in Houston, Texans 260 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 2: not only from their talent, but from their attitude demeanor. 261 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 2: They have completely flipped the culture. And it's one of 262 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 2: the more impressive collections of young guys that we've seen. 263 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 2: And we're going mention the Arizona Cardinals. They're young guys. 264 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 2: Never thought that the Cardinals would be as competitive as 265 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 2: they've been. Right, You've seen the New Orleans Saints get 266 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 2: contributions from their rookies and those guys and so will 267 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 2: continue to monitor these rookie classes and how they're impacting 268 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 2: it because we're seeing guys are making plays right out 269 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 2: the gate and when you get that, it certainly helps. 270 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: You, so you mentioned, you know, you look at what 271 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: Houston's done. They draft some good football players. 272 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 4: C J. 273 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: Stroud's good football player, Will Anderson's good football player. Tank Dell. 274 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: If you're worried about his size then and you passed 275 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: up on him, that dude is a really really good 276 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: football player and he can work all three levels of 277 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: the defense. Tank Dell is able to separate underneath. He 278 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: has very good catch focus, as we saw against Jacksonville 279 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: where he widened out the corner and then you know, 280 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:53,439 Speaker 1: hit a hit a little post route, widen them, hit 281 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: the little stem, separated and then with three defenders around him, 282 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: track the ball, adjusted his path and made the catch 283 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: with all that traffic around him. I mean, take is 284 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 1: going to be a major major factor in the NFL 285 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: for years to come. But the Texans focus is on 286 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: getting good football players. They didn't just and look, I'm 287 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: big into traits and all that too, but at some point, 288 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: you know, like you look at Aiden Hutchinson Hutchinson versus 289 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: Walker debate. I mean, Aiden Hutchinson is was a really 290 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: good football player, wasn't it. And he had traits too, 291 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: He was an explosive athlete, but minn just you know 292 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: it was it was unique what you were getting it is. 293 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 2: It is remarkable how it seems like every year we 294 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 2: did we go away from it. But then we come 295 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 2: back to the discussion guys who are good football players 296 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 2: and high school guys who good football players and college 297 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 2: they can be good football players in the pros. And 298 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 2: so you talk about Tank Dill, you talk about what 299 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 2: the Houston Texas put a premium on guys who had 300 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 2: performance and production that showed up on tape, not projections. 301 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 2: But you saw it, and it's something about it. I mean, look, 302 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 2: it's kind of funny because you thought it Aiden Hutchinson 303 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 2: and all eight Hudson does every week at Sacked the 304 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 2: quarterback and doing Michael Jackson then and the same stuff 305 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 2: that he did it is the same stuff that he 306 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 2: did at Michigan. And it's funny to me, Lance because 307 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 2: we're hearing these conversations and everybody evidently is blown away 308 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 2: by Jalen Carter, and I'm like, did you not look 309 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 2: at the tape? Like did you not look at I mean, 310 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 2: you know, so to me, if look, as long as 311 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 2: we keep the main thing, the main thing, how do 312 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 2: they play? How do they perform? They got the pass on. 313 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 2: When you do that more times than night, you don't 314 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 2: get the evaluation, right. It just kind of continues to 315 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 2: happen again and again. 316 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, guys who beat blockers for sacks and who can 317 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: do it in a very you know, not just bull rushers, 318 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: but guys who understand how to rush, they're going to 319 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: understand to stand out of rush on the next level. 320 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: Guys who score touchdowns like Tank Dell were explosive, They're 321 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: going to do that on the next level. And I 322 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: think that, you know, you certainly want to project talent. 323 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: I mean, the Cults did that with Anthony Richson. He 324 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: looks like a good football He just has to stay 325 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: on the field. Like Richardson, to me, is playing much 326 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: Speaking of rookie classes, Richardson I thought was playing much 327 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: better football as a passer than I expected he was 328 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: making he'd come He's come along a little bit as 329 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: a passer. Uh, just a matter of this is three 330 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: different injuries for him, and this is gonna last quite 331 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: a while. 332 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 2: So well, my thing with Anthony Richardson is I think 333 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 2: he got unfairly pegged to Cam Newton. And I think 334 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 2: the one thing that people have to realize when it 335 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 2: came to Cam Newton as a runner. There's instincts that 336 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 2: come along with running. And when I look at Anthony Richson, 337 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 2: I don't know if he's a naturally instinctive runner. So 338 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 2: like the shots that he takes, he takes full frontal blast. 339 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 2: I mean good runners. Like when you look at Lamar Jackson. 340 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson never takes a solid shot. It's always I 341 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 2: feel the people around I get down, I get skinny, 342 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 2: I turned my shoulders, I duck up on there there's 343 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 2: a there's an innate field that they know, okay, somebody's 344 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 2: coming in. There's Spidey senses go off, and they get down. 345 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 2: I don't believe that Anthony Rigison possesses those instincts, and 346 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 2: that's why we're seeing him get take shot after shot 347 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 2: after shot. And so at some point he's going to 348 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 2: have to learn how to avoid those big shots, or 349 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 2: Saint Stockett and the staff are gonna have to take 350 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 2: the ball out of his hand and help him help 351 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 2: himself by not putting him in those bad situations. 352 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right. You know, you look at Russell Wilson. 353 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: For years, it's been hard to get a good shot 354 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: on Russell Wilson just first of all baseball player who 355 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: understands how to slide, but he had that innate sense 356 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,880 Speaker 1: of being able to dodge traffic when it was coming in. 357 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: Great goal linebacks have it. You know, him was fantastic 358 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: and being able to But sometimes I've seen big backs 359 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:49,640 Speaker 1: who have it too, where there's just when you see 360 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: it on tape, you recognize it very quickly, like, oh, 361 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 1: this guy understands how to get into that hole or 362 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: how to how to fit that hole. It's the same 363 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 1: thing with quarterbacks understanding how to stay away from trouble 364 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: and to stay away from trouble. If you're always looking 365 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:06,479 Speaker 1: to take on collisions, you may be spectacular, but your 366 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: career won't be long. And if you're a quarterback, you're 367 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: going to be out. I mean you're not gonna you're 368 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: gonna miss games, and so that's even more devastating. But 369 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 1: you know, the quarterback class, I don't. I don't know 370 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 1: that we'll see will Levis a whole lot this year. 371 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: I think these other three guys when you know when 372 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 1: when when Richardson get back and gets back, I'm interested 373 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: in seeing them. I thought that even though you know 374 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: what I did, like though Bucky. I liked that Bryce 375 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 1: Young kept playing and Carolina kept They were getting blown 376 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: out last week, but Carolina Bryce had a touchdown to 377 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: Adam Dealing late in the game, and it was like 378 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: a big deal that Bryce had another, you know, a 379 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: multi touchdown passing game, and and that's good. Every snap 380 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: is there is no such thing as a garbage time. 381 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: The Texans are losing by ten to the Colts late 382 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 1: in the game and CJ was completion completions and I 383 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: heard people say, ah, you know, how disappointing is this 384 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 1: they they're owing to now and c J. Stroud that 385 00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: was a bunch of garbage yards and they may have 386 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: made the wrong pick. And all I could think of was, 387 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: there's some such thing as garbage time for a rookie 388 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: quarterback number one and number two. Man, you have to 389 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: let I know, fans aren't going to let things play out, 390 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: but these guys need time to let a play out. 391 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: That's why we're so excited about Stroud is because it's 392 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 1: highly unusual to play this level of intelligent football this 393 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: early in the career. 394 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 2: It is such a fascinating discussion. I'm really excited about 395 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:28,479 Speaker 2: the rookie class can't wait to continue to talk about it. 396 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 1: Devin a Chan right now. So he went from a Chang, 397 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 1: which I was used to at A and M, which 398 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 1: I kind of liked it. I kind of like a change, 399 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: sounds like a train, to eight Chan. So now he's 400 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: a Chan. But man, I watched him a lot of 401 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 1: A and M. He is very very good, you know, 402 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: very explosive. But as soon as I saw he was 403 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 1: drafted by the track team known as Miami Dolphins with 404 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 1: Monster Waddle and Tyreek. By the way, three of those 405 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: four guys, including a Chan, were legitimate college sprinters, Like 406 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: this is a real track team, a real track team. 407 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 1: And as soon as I knew he was drafted by 408 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 1: that team, all I could think of was, oh my god, 409 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel, he got himself a dangerous, dangerous weapon for 410 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 1: his for his play calling. 411 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 2: No, so here's the thing, and once again, Lance, we 412 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 2: talked about good football players. 413 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: Right. 414 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 2: So I'll say this, like a lot of times when 415 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 2: I scout, before I even put down the dimensions, I 416 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 2: like to watch the tape and so I remember watching. 417 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 2: You know, you watch Jack Charbonnade, then you watch Dwayne McBride, 418 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 2: then you watch like tank, buses, bead. Then I was 419 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,439 Speaker 2: like a popping the A and M tape and then 420 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 2: you pop in ah, and he's like is it the 421 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 2: film sped up like he's going and so Lance, you know, 422 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:48,959 Speaker 2: you make the evaluation, you put the grade on him 423 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 2: before you look at the dimensions. I'm like, man, I 424 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 2: love this guy, like this is my guy, gotta have 425 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 2: him or whatever. And then they're like, oh, he's like though, 426 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 2: oh he's little, he's one hundred and eighty hundred eighty 427 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 2: five pounds. Then you begin to kind of like, you 428 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 2: know you, I mean you, we have these conversations. DJ 429 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 2: comes in, you start massaging like he's little though. 430 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: And yeah, historically it doesn't work. 431 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 2: But then but then the football player though. The football player, man, 432 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 2: he had it all. He had balance, he had body control, 433 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 2: he had vision, burst all of it. And then what happens. 434 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 2: He goes to the right situation, He gets an opportunity 435 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 2: in Miami, and all he does is car opponents up. 436 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,199 Speaker 2: And yet now I know he said now, but this 437 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 2: dude is explosive. Man, He's just an explosive playmxer over. 438 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: Ten yards of carrye was ever or ten yards of carry? 439 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: He already had like seven rushing touchdowns, already. 440 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 2: High school numbers. He's putting up ten yards of pop, 441 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 2: like just going going bananas, and so it's just one 442 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 2: of those things. Man, We'll continue to talk about it. 443 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 2: I love it, I love how he's playing, I love 444 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 2: how a lot of these rookids are playing. And we'll 445 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 2: do it. So to a break, we'll come back. We're 446 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 2: talking about the move. The sixth game of the week, 447 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 2: a lot of excitement. Fucking Lions. We're talking about that. 448 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 2: When we come back. It's time for the MCS Game 449 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 2: of the Week, presented by DraftKings Sportsbook. This week it's 450 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 2: the Lions at the Buccaneers. The spread is minus three 451 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 2: favorite the Lions. They're over under is forty three and 452 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 2: a half. LZ, I know you want of those guys. 453 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 2: We can't put it down because of where we work 454 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 2: and all this, but you pay close attention to it. 455 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 2: You've been looking at the Buck, You've been looking at 456 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 2: the Lions because you've been talking about eight hunchescent. Give 457 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 2: me your thoughts. Where you thinking on this matchup? 458 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 1: Well, I think that you know when you look at 459 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: the first thing that pops out to me is that 460 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield looks like he's finally not having to live 461 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: up to one one. Right. He's not first pick of 462 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 1: the first round anymore. He is Baker Mayfield, the guy 463 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 1: who's trying to get his career back, and he's playing 464 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: like somebody who's relaxed. He's playing like somebody who has 465 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: a better feel for the game. And he is. And frankly, 466 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: he is playing like a guy who is trying to 467 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: resurrect his career and have a second career with maybe 468 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 1: looking at him differently, maybe not, you know, as the 469 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: guy on all the commercial TV commercials and who's got 470 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: social media Instagram posts that have some drama in him. 471 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 1: He's just going out and playing ball and he's playing 472 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 1: relax And I think it's you know, you have really 473 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: good wide receivers over there. So it's been nice to 474 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,199 Speaker 1: see a quarterback, a younger quarterback, kind of find his 475 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: footing again and be a viable quarterback in the NFL. 476 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:31,880 Speaker 1: I know, he had a great game with the Rams 477 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 1: last year that surprised everybody on short notice, and now 478 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 1: he's played well over there with Tampa. But I think 479 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: that when you look at Tampa defensively, you know, I 480 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: watched him against Jalalen Carter and the Eagles. I think 481 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 1: they're going to really really struggle against his Lions from 482 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: because the Lions just they come downhill on you. Defensively, 483 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: they are they're going to look to attack that offensive line, 484 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: and I think it's going to be a real challenge 485 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: for Tampa to keep Baker from being pressured too much. 486 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: I think the pressure is going to be intense. And 487 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: I got to say, man, what a job of picking 488 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 1: up of picking up Montgomery, because that has been one 489 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: of the biggest I think finding a running back. Instead 490 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: of saying we're going to use two or three running 491 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: backs like they had over the last two or three years, 492 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 1: the Lions have said, Okay, we got Jamier Gibbs. Now 493 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: we got Montgomery, who's our banger and who can handle 494 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,679 Speaker 1: short yardage and really can handle a heavy workload. And 495 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: we're still going to just keep bringing Jamier Gibbs in 496 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 1: a at a normal pace. Man. It's I think they're 497 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: built to take on Dan Campbell's personality full time now. 498 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,679 Speaker 1: And Jared Goff is another quarterback that's had a renaissance, 499 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 1: so to speak. But make no mistake about it, their 500 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 1: ability to run the ball and then beat you in 501 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 1: the with their front seven. I mean that, and beat 502 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: you with their offensive line. Winning in the trenches has 503 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 1: been the calling card of the Lion's resurgence. 504 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 2: Man, I love the physicality and toughence did they bring. 505 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 2: I also love when Dan Campbell like it was funny 506 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 2: because it seemed like a stick before I didn't know 507 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 2: him at all. But man, I'm gonna tell you each 508 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 2: and every week, I'm more impressed with the job that 509 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 2: he's done. Last year, Hard Knocks gave us a behind 510 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 2: the scenes look at how he's putting together as the team. 511 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 2: But this is an old school team with old school values, 512 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 2: a blue collar approach that matches the city. And man, 513 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 2: they want to blood your nose and they make no 514 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 2: bones about it. They want to blood your nose. This 515 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 2: is an old school team to believes that they can 516 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 2: really out last you in a physical affair. And that's 517 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 2: what they're doing. And I'll say this because their physicality, toughness, 518 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 2: the ability to run the football, that dominant offensive line, 519 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 2: because that's where people are missing the secret sauce for 520 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 2: the Lion. Yes, that offensive line is a top five 521 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 2: offensive line. They when they want to they take over 522 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 2: the game. You know, Penny Sewell and that crew, they 523 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 2: take over the game. We saw it the first week 524 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 2: when they knocked off the Kansas the Chiefs. When it 525 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 2: got down to it, they say, hey, we're gonna play 526 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 2: big boy ball and we're gonna mash you. That's what 527 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 2: they're able to do. And Lance, you're right about the 528 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 2: Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Baker Mayfield done a really good job 529 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 2: of controlling the action, being really a high end game manager, 530 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 2: which is great because that's what he is. He's kind 531 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 2: of shared that he I'm the number one overall pick. 532 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 2: I'm gonna show you like no, now, it's about me 533 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 2: staying in the league and being a starter. I'm gonna 534 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 2: do what I need to do. But this Lions team, 535 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 2: they're gonna give them problems because offensively, they're gonna punch 536 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 2: them in their mouth, and in defensive they're gonna rattle 537 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,239 Speaker 2: their cages because winning out they try and knock them 538 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 2: out and so that's how they played. That's what they're 539 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 2: gonna do to me. This is a close game. I 540 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 2: just got the lines kind of kind of taking it 541 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 2: over in the fourth quarter. 542 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I think. I think it'll turn into 543 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: a bit of a boat race where you're going to 544 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: see the Lions take the lead. And I think you're right. 545 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: I think it will be relatively close. But I just 546 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,479 Speaker 1: think that it may be tough for Tampa to you know, 547 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,679 Speaker 1: I think third down conversions can be tough for Tampa 548 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: if they don't find they may have to work backwards 549 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: and throw early, throw throw on first down, so to 550 00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 1: try to to try to loosen up, you know, even 551 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: if it's will hitch routes a little quick, maybe get 552 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: getting the tight end involved, but you're gonna have to 553 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: keep the down and distance in a favorable measure because 554 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: if not, you're gonna be in a lot of trouble. 555 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: I think, uh, based on the matchups that are that 556 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: are up front, I still, you know, looking at that division, man, 557 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,360 Speaker 1: the Lions could end up cruising if Minnesota doesn't pull 558 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: it together. The Packers, the Packers just do not. They 559 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: miss their quarterback, obviously their former quarterback. And then the 560 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: Bears the Bears. I was I was happy to see 561 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: the Bears gonna win. I like Ryan Poles, the general manager, 562 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: I think that you know, it's been fun seeing justin 563 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 1: fields after saying that. You know, he made a comment 564 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: about not kind of I read it as not wanting 565 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: to stay and work from structure and workoff structure. And 566 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 1: yet he's been in structure and succeeding the last two weeks. 567 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,919 Speaker 1: So even after his initial frustration, I think he and 568 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: his and and Luke gets he's done a great job 569 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 1: of working together to find a game plan that works 570 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: for for justin fields. But looking at Tampa in that division, man, 571 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 1: that's ah, you know, that's that division. I'm sorry, not Tampa, 572 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 1: but rather the Lions in that division. That is I'm 573 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: waiting for a second team to pop up, Like who's 574 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 1: the second team? This feels like it's going to be 575 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: the Lions. And my question would be how high can 576 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: the Lions go? You know? Yeah, for the Lions to 577 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: take that next major step. 578 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, this this is a team. They look like 579 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 2: they're built the last And one of the reasons why 580 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 2: they may be built the last because they have a 581 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,959 Speaker 2: legitimate hid quarterback in Jerry Goff. And I know there 582 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 2: were a lot of laughs and snickers and those things 583 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 2: about whether they could play or not, but he's a 584 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 2: really good player. I think we have seen him be 585 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 2: a good player. He needs to be supported like most quarterbacks, 586 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 2: but in Detroit it certainly works. And as long as 587 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 2: they're able to kind of get the game on their 588 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 2: turns where they can kind of dictate how the game 589 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 2: is going to be played at the line of scrimmage. 590 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 2: I think they're hard out, man. I think they're hard 591 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 2: out just because of their style of play. And DJ 592 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 2: mentioned this on Monday or two days five. It kind 593 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 2: of like the forty nine ers, Like you know, in 594 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 2: terms of like how they want to beat you up. 595 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 2: They don't have the personnel, but in terms of style 596 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 2: of play, they beat you up pretty good. And if 597 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 2: you're not ready for that, yeah, you went home with 598 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 2: an l Yeah. 599 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 1: And they're going to keep building on that through the draft. 600 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: I mean, all they're going to do is just keep 601 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: fortifying and fortifying. But I also think it's a great 602 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: lesson for people to learn that it doesn't have to 603 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: look like the Miami Dolphins with all these explosive guys 604 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: around you. It doesn't have to look like the Chiefs 605 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 1: with Pat Mahomes or you have to find your next Mahomes, like, 606 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: you can still win football by being good in the trenches, 607 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: by being tough and by finding guys who know their 608 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: role play smart football like golf is playing right now. 609 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: And then as you mentioned, you got to fortify around 610 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: them though, like they're not going to elevate necessarily elevate 611 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: those around them. But if you get somebody as a 612 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: cruise ship director and he is just doing his job 613 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: with all the nice amenities here and there, you got 614 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: yourself a chance to win at a high level. Still, 615 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: a way to win football games is through toughness and 616 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: through developing and well balanced kind of if you remember 617 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: the Pistons of the early two thousands, they didn't have stars. 618 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: They had a bunch of really good players. Rep. Hamilton, 619 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: they had Chauncey Billups, they had. 620 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 2: Rosse Wallace, Rasheen Wallace, they. 621 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: Have Ben Wallace, Prince super Superstar. But they were all 622 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: really good. I kind of feel like that's what I'm 623 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: looking at with Detroit. 624 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 2: Now you're absolutely looking at it, so we'll see. I 625 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 2: love kind of breaking down the game of the week. 626 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 2: That was the Empts Game of the Week presented by 627 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 2: Draft Kings sportsbook. New customers can bet just five dollars 628 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 2: and get two hundred and bonus bets instantly. Download Draft 629 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 2: Kings Sportsbook app and used code MTS DES code MTS 630 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 2: only at Draft Kings Sportsbook, Draft Kings Sportsbook and official 631 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 2: sports betting partner of the NFL. Lance Man, you know, 632 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 2: I love having you on every time you come on. 633 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 2: I love getting to the draft in those days. You know, 634 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 2: a lance Man. This was so good. I might have 635 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 2: to bring you back and do another pie. The other 636 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 2: one definitely another one that. 637 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: We don't start a playoff run until we don't start 638 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: the ALCS until Sunday, So I got time, Bucky. 639 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 2: Let me know, Yeah, I might have to call you 640 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 2: to more lance and see if I can get you 641 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 2: on and see if you can come back and talk 642 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 2: to you more football or whatever. That's a guy. We'll 643 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 2: take you out next time.