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Speaker 3: On Sunday, April twenty seventh, we lost Earl gray Anderson,

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Speaker 3: the mutual UFO network State Director of Southern California. The

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Speaker 3: following is in tribute as the UFO can he mourns

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Speaker 3: the loss of Earl gray Anderson.

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Speaker 4: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and Each week on Beyond Contact,

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Speaker 4: we'll explore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of

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Speaker 4: the classic cases, and bring you the latest information from

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Speaker 4: the newest cases as we talked with the top experts.

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Speaker 5: Welcome to Beyond Contact on Captain Ron, and today we're

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Speaker 5: speaking with mutual UFO network State Director of Southern California,

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Speaker 5: Earl gray Anderson. Earl's also a member of the Muffon

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Speaker 5: Star Team and executive committee member of Muffon's Experiencer Resource Team. Yes,

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Speaker 5: he has personally investigated over one thousand alleged UFO reports

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Speaker 5: and he specializes in these experiencer high strangeness cases. He

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Speaker 5: spoke last year at Contact in the Desert and it's

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Speaker 5: always great talking with him. How you doing, Earl, I'm.

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Speaker 6: Doing quite well, Ron. How are you doing.

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Speaker 5: I'm doing great, man. We're getting ready for the Contact

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Speaker 5: of the Desert Show this year.

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Speaker 6: You've got your hands full. I mean, you've been putting

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Speaker 6: out the list of speakers and stuff. I follow you guys,

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Speaker 6: you know, and it's looking good.

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Speaker 5: So you got a really great lineup and it's going

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Speaker 5: to be a lot of fun this year. So Earl, listen.

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Speaker 5: I've been pretty much officially immersed in this community for

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Speaker 5: about eleven years now, and I'm very very skeptical of

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Speaker 5: us ever getting to a real, true, big D disclosure

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Speaker 5: from the government, but I have to acknowledge that right now,

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Speaker 5: it does feel to me like there seems to be

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Speaker 5: doctor Greer coming out saying there's a bunch of witnesses

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Speaker 5: coming out. We have George Knapp speaking about it, Jeremy

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Speaker 5: Corbell thinks something's coming, Steve Bassett of course, and we

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Speaker 5: just had Ross Colhart do his special with another new

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Speaker 5: whistleblower and he says more are to follow as well.

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Speaker 5: You've been in this a long time. What is your

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Speaker 6: I am happy to see all the people that are

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Speaker 6: I'm not sure if we're going to get the sort

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Speaker 6: of disclosure that we're hoping for, because I think that

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Speaker 6: the military industrial complex, they're kind of the gatekeepers of everything,

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Speaker 6: and I don't think there's like a winning scenario for

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Speaker 6: have to put out this sort of blanket. People are

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Speaker 6: going to have to be made so they can't be

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Speaker 6: I believe that there's been some questionable acts that have

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Speaker 6: in the past, and you know, this is a secret

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Speaker 6: I mean, those are the people that put in reports

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Speaker 5: What about moufon, does mofon do they seem to feel

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Speaker 6: You know, historically there have been many orbit or egg

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Speaker 6: The words that he used used this great feeling of

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Speaker 6: There are things that I think are questionable. I mean

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Speaker 6: so that is troubling. But you know, I mean, like

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Speaker 5: It feels like it's getting you know, more cloudy as

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Speaker 6: Well, I do think that there, you know, there are

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Speaker 6: There's things they don't want to talk about. They certainly

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Speaker 6: you know. And there was a CIA report that came

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Speaker 6: out through a Foyer request. I was reading it recently,

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Speaker 6: Wells Orson Wells radio production of war the worlds, how

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Speaker 5: The energy sector.

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Speaker 6: Oh, I know, zero point energy would certainly make a

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no doubt about it. Your mom was at Hughes Aerospace,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, My mom worked for Hughes back in the nineteen

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Speaker 5: We are back on Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron. We're

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Speaker 5: talking to Earl Gray Anderson from MOFON. Earl, is there

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Speaker 5: any relationship as far as you know, between the MOFON

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Speaker 6: But of course, if that's the case, nobody's coming forward.

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Speaker 5: Man, Listen, you looked at over a thousand cases. How

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Speaker 6: You know, I'll be honest with you. And it's not

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Speaker 6: And I'm pretty impressed that among all the sightings of

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Speaker 5: speaking with Earl gray Anderson today. Hey, Earl, the role

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Speaker 5: of artificial intelligence. I'm seeing how AI now is getting

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Speaker 6: This, Well, you know the AI animation and stuff is

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Speaker 6: for pixelization, I check for glitches. I mean, this is

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Speaker 5: Fun. So, hey, earl, do you have any thoughts personally

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Speaker 5: but the true, you know, off world craft. What do

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00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 5: you feel like you lean one theory or another after

435
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 5: looking at this for so long, Like, do you think

436
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 5: it might be interdimensional? Nuts and bolts from another galaxy?

437
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 5: What do you what do you think?

438
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 6: I tend to lean towards the interdimensional theory. That that's

439
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 6: pretty much where Heinek wound up, That's that's where Valet

440
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 6: wound up. And and it seems like most really you know,

441
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 6: serious researchers eventually end up on the interdimensional thing, because

442
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 6: I mean, we do see evidence for portal opening up,

443
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 6: and that's that's interdimensional. That's not in our universe. When

444
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 6: you know it's it's tricking our universe to travel. And

445
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 6: also the great distances in Fermi's paradox and all that

446
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 6: kind of go out the window if this is an

447
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 6: interdimensional phenomenon, and to me, it's all the universe. It's

448
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 6: just it doesn't matter to me if they came from

449
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 6: Alpha Centauri or some parallel earth, you know, in another dimension.

450
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 6: It's non human as we know human anyway, But you know,

451
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 6: there's other theory too. You know, it could be us

452
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 6: from the great you know, deep past. It could even

453
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 6: be a you know, I talked to James Cripoul's one

454
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 6: of his mentors recently, Kevin Khan, and he thinks that

455
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 6: this phenomena, the origin of it is like this panspermia

456
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 6: of fungus that's interacting with plasma, and that there's this

457
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 6: interaction like humans are like acting like mito mitochondria to

458
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 6: this intelligence, so they need It's almost like this coexistence

459
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 6: symbiosa's going on, and you know, he makes a very

460
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 6: good argument for his you know, well, yeah, UFOs are

461
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 6: real and the beings are real, but they're actually you know,

462
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 6: they're being created by this this core intelligence that spans

463
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 6: the galaxy. And I guess they've recently found plasmic clouds

464
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 6: between us and the Moon that we're quite substantial. So

465
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 6: there's a lot of theories out there, and I try

466
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 6: not to be you know, I try to be open

467
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 6: minded about this stuff. It's part of my job.

468
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 5: Absolutely, and it's very very complicated, and we're dealing with

469
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 5: an unknown so it's even more difficult. And even disclosure itself,

470
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 5: I feel, is not as simple as a press conference saying, Hey,

471
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 5: we've got UFO craft and aliens right here. You know

472
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 5: who's behind it? Is it just the US government? Is

473
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 5: it black budget, unacknowledged pros in our government? Is it

474
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 5: you know all these other things like you're mentioning. You know,

475
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 5: there's so many layers to this that I don't think

476
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 5: many people realize, certainly outside this community, they think it's

477
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 5: a very simple thing, and it's not. I think a

478
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 5: lot of the reason some of these government officials come

479
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 5: out and don't say they don't know anything is because

480
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 5: they don't know anything. I think these guys are have

481
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 5: plausible deniability. They don't tell them. So that's what they

482
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 5: put in charge of Arrow, so that he could say, yeah,

483
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 5: there's nothing to it. We're not getting the right guy, you.

484
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Speaker 6: Know, exact a mundo. I don't know if they would

485
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 6: know what to disclose to do disclosure. And I don't

486
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 6: think that this is all being generated by our black

487
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 6: projects by our government either. By the way, because UFO

488
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 6: sidings go back historically to the Roman times. They call

489
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 6: them flying shields, and there was no CIA and it's

490
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 6: a DARPA or anything like that back two thousand years ago.

491
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Speaker 5: How about the art they have with them. Yes, pictures

492
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 5: in the corner of a little ufo with a guy

493
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Speaker 5: sitting there driving it. That's compelling. How did they love

494
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 5: it not long ago?

495
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Speaker 6: Well, you know, there's good excuses, you know, and was

496
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 6: saying that it was an illustration of the sun and

497
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 6: the moon being flow, you know, in the Renaissance painting.

498
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Speaker 5: But I don't know it.

499
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 6: The excuses just pile up and it seems like, you know,

500
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 6: a game of django. It's just toppling as they try

501
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 6: to keep putting these bricks on top of it. I

502
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 6: think disclosure, to me, it already happened. I mean, my

503
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 6: feeling is that we are disclosure when we go out

504
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 6: and we talk like we're talking right now, intelligently scientifically,

505
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 6: but being open minded like we are. That is disclosure.

506
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:54,959
Speaker 6: And the people that are going to get it are

507
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 6: going to get it. And the people that it scars

508
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 6: or just feel offended by it, they're never going to

509
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 6: believe this. I mean, who is going to do a

510
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 6: disclosure for us? We don't have a Walter Cronkite anymore.

511
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 6: I don't know who they would have do this. Then

512
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 6: maybe this is the way that it works, you know,

513
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't think this is the first rodeo

514
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 6: for our visitors. I think that this is a process.

515
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 6: There may be something sort of like the Star Trek,

516
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 6: you know, prime directive. It seems like, you know, a

517
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 6: learning process for us.

518
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 5: I noticed that.

519
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:35,719
Speaker 6: Experiencer, especially in military, they all get the same three messages.

520
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 6: Nuclear weapons are evil, they will destroy civilizations, So don't

521
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 6: try it. Stop trashing your world. You only get one.

522
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 6: It's not a replaceable resource. And better yourselves, raise your vibration,

523
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 6: live on a higher frequency. Those are the three messages.

524
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 6: It's like a trifecta of message that and I hear

525
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 6: these own navy personnel. I hear it from pilots, I

526
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 6: hear it from you know, one guy that has ninety

527
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 6: engineers working under him. I'm not going to mention the

528
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 6: aerospace company. He had visitors come through his wall, the

529
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 6: little gray guys, and this was the three messages he

530
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 6: was given. You know, he's probably working on nuclear warheads

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Speaker 6: and stuff.

532
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Speaker 5: We're gonna to take a break here. Earl will come

533
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 5: back though. When we come back, we're going to talk

534
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Speaker 5: with Earl about his thoughts on this recent UFO drone

535
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Speaker 5: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron. We are back on Beyond Contact.

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Speaker 5: We're speaking with Earl Gray Anderson. Earl, I think starting

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Speaker 5: about November eighteenth of last year, we started hearing about

561
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Speaker 5: these reports of UFO drome swarms. First it was in

562
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Speaker 5: New Jersey, then it kind of spread up the coast,

563
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 5: and then it even came out to the West coast.

564
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Speaker 5: Then it sort of died down. But again the last

565
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Speaker 5: couple of days I've heard some reporting of different settings. Again,

566
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Speaker 5: So what is your take on these the drones?

567
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Speaker 6: The best explanation that I've seen so far was John

568
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Speaker 6: Greenwall posted this on X about a month ago. I

569
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Speaker 6: think it was when the New Jersey swarms were kind

570
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Speaker 6: of you know, mainstream news, and he posted a there

571
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 6: was a previous post by a gentleman who worked for

572
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Speaker 6: a company that made he claimed that they made these drones.

573
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Speaker 6: And what he said and the guy's providence looked really good.

574
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 6: You know, everything that he said was just you know,

575
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 6: it made sense, had the reign of truth to it.

576
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 6: And you know, Greenwald, he's very good at being skeptical,

577
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 6: but he thought it was good enough to post what

578
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 6: this gentleman said was He said that the DoD requested

579
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Speaker 6: I believe, and maybe he put an extra zero in it.

580
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 6: But one hundred and eighty thousand of these drones. Maybe

581
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 6: he meant eighteen thousand. But I don't know. I'm not

582
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 6: the DoD. I don't know what they need. He said

583
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 6: that they are the size of an SUV because of

584
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 6: the payload is very heavy. He said that what these are,

585
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 6: they're dirty bomb sniffing gamma ray sniffing drones that were

586
00:35:55,560 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 6: created specifically to respond to dirty terrorist threats, and apparently

587
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 6: we get quite a few of them. I mean, I

588
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 6: do have a contact in Homeland Security and he told

589
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 6: me we get threatened all the time. Early if the

590
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 6: public knew, if you knew what I deal with, you

591
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 6: wouldn't sleep at night. You know, the dirty bomb threats

592
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 6: are a real thing.

593
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 5: Now.

594
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Speaker 6: This guy said that his company that they created these drones,

595
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 6: that they had the three light configuration that you're seeing

596
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 6: on all of these, and that they were first sent

597
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 6: to Ukraine when Russia made a dirty bomb threat to Ukraine.

598
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 6: Then they were sent to Israel after the Palestinian conflict.

599
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,720
Speaker 6: But I believe that this is probably the best answer

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Speaker 6: I've heard for these drones. Now, I've noticed that they're

601
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 6: always near military bases, or they're near large public gatherings

602
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 6: or sensitive areas. For instance, I have one guy that

603
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Speaker 6: lives near Plant forty two in Palmdale who's been putting

604
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 6: in MUFAN reports.

605
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 5: He sees these.

606
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 6: Drones every night. He must be in the flight path.

607
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 5: Now.

608
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Speaker 6: Plant forty two is owned by you know, Lockheed and

609
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 6: Norfolk Grumman, and it is one of the most secure

610
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 6: sits in the United States, maybe more secure than Area

611
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Speaker 6: fifty one. And I've had many drone reports in that area,

612
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 6: but specifically, this guy's had good video, good photos, always

613
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 6: the same three light configuration, and I believe they're surveilling

614
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 6: in that area very carefully, and they probably should. You know,

615
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 6: I'm glad that we have a way to respond to

616
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 6: these threats because we do have enemies.

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Speaker 5: Earl, I agree one hundred percent. I think that's the

618
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 5: best explanation we've heard for these drones is that they

619
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 5: are these military drones that are ours that are looking

620
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 5: for possible nuclear material or dirty bombs. In the very

621
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 5: beginning of the story, we heard that nuclear material went

622
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 5: missing and then it went away. We didn't hear that anymore.

623
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 5: But these don't seem to be et craft. They don't

624
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 5: seem to be an adversary because we would take them down.

625
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 5: It's not just hobbyists, because they're much much bigger, they

626
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 5: stay up longer, and they have the ability to go

627
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 5: to areas where hobbyist drones can't go. So they probably

628
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 5: wouldn't want people to panic, as you just inferred that

629
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 5: people would if we were in fact checking for dirty

630
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,439
Speaker 5: bombs and nuclear material. So all of this makes sense

631
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 5: to me. What doesn't make sense to me is the

632
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 5: official White House statement that just came out saying that

633
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 5: the drones that were flying over New Jersey in large

634
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 5: numbers were authorized to be flown by the FAA for

635
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 5: research and various other reasons. And we've never had this before.

636
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 5: All of a sudden, that's when they decided to do that.

637
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 5: So I think that that really fits is the best explanation.

638
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, me too. But now you have to remember that

639
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 6: our visitors are very interested in our propensity to destroy

640
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 6: ourselves in nuclear waste and nuclear any kind of nuclear weapon,

641
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 6: I think you know, sounds an alarm for them. So

642
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 6: it doesn't surprise me if people would see actual EUFOS

643
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 6: anomalist craft around these sort of drone swarms that people

644
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 6: are seeing.

645
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:26,720
Speaker 5: I comsleutely agree.

646
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 6: Anyway, I haven't heard a better explanation than that myself.

647
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 5: So now you said that you have experienced synchronicity after

648
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 5: you had your experience. I am a huge fan of

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Speaker 5: synchronicity and would like to know what your take on

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Speaker 5: what synchronicity is.

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Speaker 6: It's a meaningful coincidence, and a lot of contact ees

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Speaker 6: and abductees Bullet have had anomalous contact experience synchronicities. It

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Speaker 6: seems like magic sometimes. The way it were for me

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Speaker 6: is that I'll be thinking about, like, you know, I'll

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Speaker 6: mentioned names, even maybe Whitley Strieber. Okay, I've been wanting

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Speaker 6: to meet the gentleman. I've spoken with him on the

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Speaker 6: phone before, but I'd never really had a time, you know,

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Speaker 6: to actually kind of touch base and talk with him.

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Speaker 6: I was invited to a dinner meeting with Peter Robbins,

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Speaker 6: who was in town. He didn't say that he had

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Speaker 6: invited somebody else. It was Peter and Greg Bishop Well

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Speaker 6: and Walks, Whitley Strieber and sits down across from me.

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Speaker 6: That was a synchronicity. It was wonderful and it was

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Speaker 6: but it happens all the time. I would be surprised

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Speaker 6: if it didn't.

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Speaker 5: Hey, Earl, aren't you also writing a book, The Gray Files?

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Speaker 5: I think yes, I am.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's going to be called The Gray Files. It's

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Speaker 6: going to be probably half case reports and half personal anecdotes.

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Speaker 6: I'm going to have a kiss report and then a

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Speaker 6: personal anecdote case and I have like a lot of

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Speaker 6: interesting stories, like the first time I went out on

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Speaker 6: a field investigation that was actually in the field. It

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Speaker 6: was close to an Air Force site, but it was

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Speaker 6: apparently a secretive Air Force site. It was a torpedo

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Speaker 6: testing ground, but there was a UFO siding that was

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Speaker 6: quite significant. There were three different witnesses too, that were

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Speaker 6: very close to the object, and one who was about

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Speaker 6: four miles away who was a former Air Force pilot

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Speaker 6: and he independent put in a case about this object

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Speaker 6: as well. So I went out there and I did

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Speaker 6: a really good investigation.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 6: It involved a full sized flying saucer hovering over a house.

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Speaker 6: Began with two women chasing these orb shaped red UFOs

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Speaker 6: across town. It was like a seeing close and outers

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Speaker 6: of the third Guide, but that happened in real life.

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Speaker 6: I really fear myself at this case. I put a

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Speaker 6: lot of effort into it. I was out taking theodolite

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Speaker 6: photos where the women saw these two orbs hovering doing

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Speaker 6: a falling leaf motion over this mountain, and I was

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Speaker 6: obeying the warning signs no trespassing. It was federal land.

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Speaker 6: But apparently somebody didn't like the fact that I was

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Speaker 6: taking theodolite photos. So I get back in my car

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Speaker 6: take after taking the photos. This was in Azusa, California,

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Speaker 6: I might mention, And I'm driving on this little two

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Speaker 6: lane highway as Zuza Highway to go back to the freeway,

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Speaker 6: and when all of a sudden, two military vehicles. They

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Speaker 6: were cut like low slung hummers. No license plates, not

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Speaker 6: even the US government license, no license plate whatsoever. So

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Speaker 6: I had an escort out of town.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 6: I called up my then state director, Jeff Krause. That

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Speaker 6: was very freaked out. I was like, does this happen

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Speaker 6: to people? I mean this, It's like, no, no, it doesn't. Well,

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Speaker 6: I'm going to open the book with that. I figure

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Speaker 6: you start with an earthquake and build from there.

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Speaker 5: Perfect.

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Speaker 6: Hey, ma, I just have to find time this year.

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Speaker 6: You can find me at socalmofon dot com. You can

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Speaker 6: also find me on Facebook. I'm just Earl Gray on Facebook,

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Speaker 6: but you know, all my moufon stuff is sort of

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Speaker 6: front and center there.

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Speaker 5: Thanks Earl, appreciate it a lot of fun talking to

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Speaker 5: you as always, and thanks everyone for listening to Beyond Contact.

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