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Speaker 1: slash Giants Welcome into a week five rapid reaction. Mattalin

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Speaker 1: Burke here alongside the Super Bowl champ of Moni Tumor.

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Speaker 1: The Giants went down to New Orleans, falling to the

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Speaker 1: Saints twenty six to fourteen is the final score, but

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Speaker 1: a moni. If you look at the way this one

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Speaker 1: started and the way this one finished, it was two

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Speaker 1: different ballgames. Giants came out, scored a touchdown on each

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Speaker 1: of their first two offensive possessions, and then didn't score

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Speaker 1: since five turnovers on the day. As the Giants fall

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Speaker 1: to the Saints, who scored twenty three unanswered points.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they did have five turnovers, but one of those turnovers,

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Speaker 2: in all fairness, it was down. The Giants were going

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Speaker 2: for it because a field goal would do them no good.

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Speaker 2: Jackson Dart threw the ball down the field, kind of

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Speaker 2: giving his receiver an opportunity. It ended up getting intercepted

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Speaker 2: by kool aid. But I feel like that is one

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Speaker 2: of those stats that kind of could be a little

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Speaker 2: asterisk by it. But other than that, though, the Giants

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Speaker 2: definitely looked after those first two drives like, oh, we

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Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, the Saints just kept

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Speaker 2: the momentum that the Giants could ultimately not get back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because you know, early on in the game, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean you look at the way that this play is.

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Speaker 1: And then late in the second quarter, as the Saints

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Speaker 1: in a game, and the things didn't look back. Fourteen

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Speaker 1: the Giants continued to give the Saints those opportunities. Five

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Scataboo had won as well, where he was

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Speaker 2: Everybody has to go through it. It's just unfortunate that

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Speaker 1: If you want to know how to manage two minutes

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Speaker 1: Yes, I knew I could help make sense of your

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Speaker 2: Wandelle Robinson had a lot of opportunities today, as did Slayton.

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Speaker 2: Game plan they were trumping. They made it a point

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Speaker 2: That's a tough one because you want your players to

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Speaker 2: always it's easier to real things back in than to

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Speaker 2: that's an anomaly. There's very few times in this league

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Speaker 1: Get in here, if you're lined up here, you gotta

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Speaker 1: of Eli Manning. It is so subjective too, just like

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Speaker 2: I think both these teams are struggling. I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: teams that are good now aren't going to be good

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Speaker 2: ten weeks from now. Ten weeks from now is the goal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you don't want to peak too soon, right,

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Speaker 1: You don't know a lot of ballgame left, and it's

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Speaker 1: going to be a short week as the Giants take

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Speaker 1: on the Eagles Thursday night at MetLife Stadium, But coming

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Speaker 1: off a Week five loss in New Orleans, twenty six

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Speaker 1: to fourteen is the final score. And that's a wrap

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