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Speaker 1: to the Vikings Tailgate. It's cy aman Sin. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for joining the official podcast feed. Super bombed terrible game

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Speaker 1: in Detroit, officially playing the Rams as the fifth seed.

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Speaker 2: But it's time to.

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Speaker 1: Talk about that a little bit and then turn the page.

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Speaker 1: Because there's still a lot in front of this team.

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Speaker 1: We decided to bring back our old friend and die

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Speaker 1: hard Lions fan, Zach Martina, to talk about the game

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Speaker 1: that was and the playoffs that will be. I think

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Speaker 1: you guys are really gonna like this one.

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Speaker 1: Everybody, recket recket turn here.

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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome into the tailgate.

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Speaker 1: We are joined. People aren't gonna like this. A lot

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Speaker 1: of Viking fans are upset. I'm upset, but the playoffs

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Speaker 1: are in front of us. We're going to talk NFC playoffs,

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Speaker 1: and we had we knew that last game was important,

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Speaker 1: diehard Detroit Lions fans, Zach Martinez here, Hi Zack, I'm

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Speaker 1: not done talking, Hi Zac.

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Speaker 3: Hi Si.

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Speaker 4: I'm surprised that you're doing another post game podcast because

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Speaker 4: listen to me, you were not thrilled after the last one.

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Speaker 4: You said we'll never do it again. I'm sorry, I

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Speaker 2: Listen to me.

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Speaker 1: We decided when you lost your voice and couldn't do

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Speaker 2: And do I regret that right now? Yeah? I hate it.

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Speaker 1: I hate it a lot, but I'm a man of

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Speaker 1: my word and we are going to keep going until

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Speaker 1: this show is over. So obviously we're gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: what happened. But then I do because we both have

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Speaker 1: a vested interest in the playoffs. The Vikings have the

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Speaker 1: Rams the Vikings have Matthew Stafford, your old person. We're

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Speaker 1: the paths for both teams. But first I will say

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Speaker 1: so before the Viking Packer game, you and I are

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Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not a trash talker. Nope, people know

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Speaker 1: this right. But we're just talking football. And I mentioned,

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Speaker 1: we're not even talking about your team or they're my team.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about the Philadelphia Egos, and I mentioned that

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Speaker 2: Thirty years, and that was upsetting to me.

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Speaker 1: You'd have thought I set your house on fire and

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Speaker 4: Twenty minutes, But most of it was Most of it

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Speaker 1: Are you worried that you guys who have been such

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Speaker 4: I'm worried that next year we will not be America's darling.

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Speaker 1: I it's kind of it's funny you're right, because I

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Speaker 1: It's a lot like if you have an uncle who

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Speaker 1: So it could it could be coming. Now, let me

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Speaker 1: the Niners game are wrong.

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Speaker 1: I think in a vacuum with any other team they

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Speaker 1: Sure, and man oh man, they sure played like it

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Speaker 4: Well, I will say that as far as Dan Campbell goes,

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Speaker 4: He is not afraid to go for it on fourth down,

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Speaker 4: which I know is something that you and I don't

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Speaker 4: The mentality of it though, like it's a lot of

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Speaker 3: I get it.

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Speaker 1: I think the analytics people are a little out of

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Speaker 1: What game are we in? What point in the game

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Speaker 1: But my issue with Dan as like a fan, is

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Speaker 2: I just think he's like, Eh, let's go. I feel

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Speaker 4: What he said since he got here was two reasons.

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Speaker 4: And I know it seems guttural, but there is some Uh.

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Speaker 2: Two reasons. One I'm angry. Two I'm angry he's.

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Speaker 4: He's got that caffeine intake of his double VENTI lattes espresso.

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Speaker 4: I mean that guy's heck, guy's heart's gonna burst if

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Speaker 4: I think though, the reason he goes for it on

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Speaker 4: And also, which is pretty interesting that he just recently

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's Don't get me wrong. I think

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Speaker 1: My larger issue is I just don't see and I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to talk or push on you here,

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Speaker 1: like you got the buy now. So it's three games,

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Speaker 4: The Bucks beat us week two, and then the commander

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Speaker 1: If you God hate it, Zach, if you to have

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Speaker 4: Our mentality is certainly not the issue. I think we

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Speaker 1: But you're saying that about it Aaron Glenn and the

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Speaker 2: So you it's just the execution has to You.

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Speaker 1: Have to have a run of three games where your

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Speaker 4: I do think Dan Campbell has a much better handle

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Speaker 2: See here's a question for you.

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Speaker 1: Do you think if when he first got the job,

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Speaker 3: I don't know that he has.

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Speaker 4: But those people are not in Detroit. Those people are

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Speaker 4: I don't think Gruden had an affability to him. Now,

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Speaker 4: You have been great for this city. Oh, I heard

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Speaker 4: Dan Campbell is the I would say, as far as

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Speaker 4: I don't think. I think he is one hundred percent

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess what I'm saying is, I'm not questioning that.

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Speaker 2: About who he is as a guy.

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Speaker 1: Sure, and had those silly soundbites early and hard knocks

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Speaker 4: I think Dan Campbell has one of the toughest proofs

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Speaker 4: her first fire was Matt Patricia. She had that foresight.

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Speaker 4: And I think Sheila knew what she wanted. She went on,

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Le's talk about my team. Yep, let's you know, you

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Speaker 3: The five, which is ridiculous. They got to receive this thing.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you something that earlier Lions game this season.

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Speaker 1: I think everybody remembers that as a very close competitive game.

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 2: So here's my question.

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Speaker 1: You know, we get the Rams, You've got the Packers

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Speaker 2: We're both rooting for the Packers, right Oh yea.

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Speaker 4: I will say what I said to my family and

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Speaker 4: I'm not rooting. I can't say that I'm rooting for them.

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Speaker 4: I'm rooting for the Lions, and that like it's weird

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Speaker 4: to say you're rooting for the Packers.

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Speaker 3: It's weird, you will, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I like the way you phrase it. I'm rooting for

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Speaker 1: I'm rooting for the future matchups of my favorite team.

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Speaker 2: So I think we both want that.

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Speaker 1: But knowing that you have so many options that could

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Speaker 1: You know the way they do settings up right? Do

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Speaker 1: What are you looking for on opening weekend? And then

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you where I'm going with my team.

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Speaker 4: The best game for the Lions, the most entertaining game

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Speaker 1: I don't care about entertaining Zach. I want to know

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Speaker 4: I guess the most the team I'm most scared of

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Speaker 1: Thank you for doing that on my Viking Show. You're

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Speaker 3: Time, especially two weeks apart.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's just generally, generally not how it works. I

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Speaker 2: Good coach ye and now they do.

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Speaker 1: Last time, you know, we didn't know they were gonna

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Speaker 1: have all their weapons kind of un tell moment of

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00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,439
Speaker 1: this time, we know they have everything. They're one of

443
00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:33,000
Speaker 1: the hottest teams in football. I think this is truly

444
00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:38,760
Speaker 1: truly a monstrous task. Oh yeah, for Kevin O'Connell and

445
00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:42,560
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold specifically, those guys who you know are gonna

446
00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,760
Speaker 1: look to rebound, man if they can, and if they do,

447
00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:47,959
Speaker 1: it'll be a major feather in the cap because this

448
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,680
Speaker 1: is gonna be no joke against that young defense.

449
00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,080
Speaker 3: I mean, Koc comes from the McVeigh tree.

450
00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,920
Speaker 2: Does any yep O coordinator won a Super Bowl there?

451
00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,359
Speaker 4: So I would love I mean, the storyline of it,

452
00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,120
Speaker 4: the branch cutting down the stuf, you know, I think

453
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 4: I think that's I think that I guess it would

454
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,159
Speaker 4: be the branch cutting down the trunk and not the stump.

455
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,880
Speaker 4: I guess if KOC wins, then McVeigh would be left

456
00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:11,879
Speaker 4: as a stump of himself.

457
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:12,640
Speaker 3: But I digress.

458
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:18,440
Speaker 4: I would like to see. I would like to see.

459
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,200
Speaker 4: I would like to see. Okay, I mean, you heard

460
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,479
Speaker 4: what Dan Campbell said after the game. He's like, I'll

461
00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 4: see in two weeks so it seems. I don't know

462
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,399
Speaker 4: if it's a red herring. Dan Campbell is, you know,

463
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,760
Speaker 4: sly like a fox, but he seems to them. Yeah,

464
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:30,679
Speaker 4: the Vikings are coming back.

465
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Speaker 1: I just get a really great coach and a really

466
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,159
Speaker 1: great quarterback and a really great wide receiver.

467
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,200
Speaker 3: And Kyron Williams is a very good running back.

468
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 1: He's running the ball very well. They're they're just a

469
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 1: very good football team. I think who you thought you

470
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,359
Speaker 1: might wind up against four or five six weeks ago

471
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 1: as the five seed, it has not played out like

472
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 1: that in any way, shape or form, And you're getting

473
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:53,679
Speaker 1: a lot more different.

474
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:54,160
Speaker 2: And you're on the road.

475
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

476
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Speaker 1: Right, well here's what I'm hoping. I'm hoping that was like,

477
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:00,679
Speaker 1: you know, you make a little snow the top of

478
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 1: a mountain, right, you roll it a little bit. All

479
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 1: of a sudden it's a little bigger, and you think

480
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 1: and it slips out of your hand. Like I just think,

481
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 1: there was so much that went into Sunday Night to

482
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,400
Speaker 1: make Sunday Night what it was, and that thirty one

483
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 1: to nine doesn't reflect the game. It just absolutely does not.

484
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 1: I mean you're sitting there, I think as a guy

485
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,119
Speaker 1: who doesn't know the x's and o's of football, But

486
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 1: you're sitting there thinking if the Vikings had executed on

487
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,400
Speaker 1: you know, two of their red zone trips and turned

488
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,160
Speaker 1: them into touchdowns, right.

489
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was bananas.

490
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 4: I mean the statistically what happened for you guys in

491
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,200
Speaker 4: the red zone is an anomaly.

492
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:44,479
Speaker 1: That was why pretty pretty unique, and I think you

493
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 1: could have wound up with two three touchdowns early and

494
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,479
Speaker 1: a pretty significant lead a league going into halftime, a

495
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 1: touchdown coming. Some of these things that we've seen over

496
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 1: and over and over, right, So do do I sit

497
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 1: here and do I think what I've seen all season?

498
00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that the offense has been the epito

499
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 1: me of excellence, but they've been more consistent than that.

500
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,160
Speaker 1: Am I gonna buy seventeen weeks of that? Or am

501
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 1: I gonna buy this one game? And my hope is like,

502
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 1: I just don't think with the sort of coach Kevin

503
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 1: O'Connell is and the sort of relationship he has with

504
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 1: Sam and just the way our team works right in

505
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,360
Speaker 1: from a confidence standpoint, to me, I don't know whether

506
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:25,880
Speaker 1: or not they win in this game, but I don't

507
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 1: think they come out shaken shook from what happened on

508
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 1: Sunday night.

509
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 4: I don't think they come out shook at all. I

510
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 4: think they come out with a fire lit under their rumpus.

511
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 4: You've got competitors on your team. I mean, justin Jefferson

512
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,400
Speaker 4: is he was irritated last game, so I think he's

513
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,400
Speaker 4: coming out to show I am Jay Jetta's Jordan Addison,

514
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 4: I think is the same situation. He's like, I did

515
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 4: not get my I did not get my meal last week,

516
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 4: like he just it wasn't there Aaron Jones hell of

517
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 4: a competitor. And then your defense, I mean, Brian Floors

518
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,120
Speaker 4: aside your edge rushers, Oh my god, Harrison Smith's still

519
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,159
Speaker 4: playing at a very high level. I mean it was

520
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,360
Speaker 4: I don't yeah, I don't think this is just some

521
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 4: chalk it up to wor shown.

522
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: And and I kind of I want the one seed, right,

523
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 1: that's I'm angry that you have the one seed. I'd

524
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 1: rather have the one seed. But this team thrived all

525
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 1: year long on like they never got the love, they

526
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 1: never got the respect, right.

527
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 4: The only thing that Vikings did the Vikings were I mean,

528
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,719
Speaker 4: it seemed like nationally everybody was picking the Vikings this

529
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 4: past week, whereas the entire season, no one was believing in.

530
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 2: The Vikings literally all year long.

531
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, they liked to they like to overcome the adversity.

532
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 4: It was an unusual situation last week where you guys

533
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 4: were so favored by so many people.

534
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 2: So, yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying.

535
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 1: All year long, no matter what we did, there were

536
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 1: teams with worst records and teams we beat, like the

537
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 1: Packers in front of us in the you know, power rankings.

538
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 1: Whether those matter or not, they reflect national outlets opinions. Right,

539
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: So all you have that all year and then all

540
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 1: of a sudden, the moment they beat the Packers, everybody's like, oh,

541
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,959
Speaker 1: this is so like my hope is you have no choice,

542
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: but you know, let's return to that mentality.

543
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 2: I think.

544
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:17,439
Speaker 1: I think I think the team will find a home

545
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,679
Speaker 1: in that mentality. They might not be at home, but

546
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 1: they will find people questioning them to be more of

547
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: a home than than you would expect. I think with Darnold.

548
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 3: That was beautiful.

549
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 4: I think that the needle point and put that in

550
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 4: a needle point and hang it somewhere. That was just

551
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 4: thank you, I know what you're doing. Thank you, kind

552
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 4: of like Ben Johnson's offense, No.

553
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 2: Thank you, So yeah, I mean, I think the the the.

554
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,640
Speaker 1: Puka thing is a little scary. You're all, you're always

555
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: so you're always a little scared of Matthew Stafford and Pooka.

556
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,199
Speaker 1: Let's let me ask you this. Let me ask a

557
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: question about you. Is there any you guys going to

558
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl? Do you get caught up in any

559
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 1: romanticism aspect of it? Like? And let me tell you

560
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: what I mean by that. So let's pretend the Rams

561
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 1: were playing somebody else. Let's pretend they'd won that game,

562
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: and we're heading to Tampa right now. So Rams, whatever

563
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: they win, you know, they go play Philadelphia, they beat Philadelphia,

564
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: you win your next game in this universe. I don't

565
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: know why I had to let them not beat the

566
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: Vikings because in this universe the Vikings aren't in the

567
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: NFC Championship game anyways, But I just refuse to let

568
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: them be in a matchup against us in this fiction.

569
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 3: Thatials where your heart is even in a hypothetical.

570
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 1: So let's say it's an NFC Championship game and the

571
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: Rams are coming to your building, is there anything romantic

572
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: about that?

573
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 2: Like?

574
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: For you guys, to get to your first Super Bowl.

575
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: It would mean so much to beat matt Stafford and

576
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 1: to beat the Rams, and or would you or is

577
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: there more fear? Like oh my god, I don't want

578
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: to be the team that I know how the Viking

579
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 1: fan base would handle it. They're like, oh no, the

580
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: guy that we got rid of can now ruin our

581
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: best season in franchise history.

582
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 4: I am not afraid of Matthew Stafford. And I also

583
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 4: do not feel as though there is any romanticism in it, because,

584
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 4: I mean, we played him in the playoffs last year,

585
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,719
Speaker 4: we beat him, We played them early this year, we

586
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 4: beat him. Obviously, I don't want to, you know, you

587
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 4: never want to lose, especially to a guy that you

588
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 4: had for so long. But on the flip side of that,

589
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 4: they've lost twice now to a guy they just were

590
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 4: dying to give away in Jared Goff. So I don't

591
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 4: think there's any romanticism. I think the only romanticism of

592
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 4: it is that the Lions have never been to a

593
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,479
Speaker 4: Super Bowl. We've only been to, I mean, less than

594
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 4: a handful of NFC championships. It's just a matter of

595
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 4: it's just a matter of getting there and winning. I

596
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 4: don't think it matters who it's against. I don't think

597
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 4: it matters how it's done.

598
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 2: Yeah you don't.

599
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 1: You're not haunted like the Viking fan bases, where they go, Man,

600
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: what if we beat the Falcons in the first round

601
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: and we beat the Saints in the second round and

602
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:03,719
Speaker 1: this path that, like you know, exercises all your your

603
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: football demons.

604
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 3: No, man, just as Nike says, just do it. Just

605
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 3: get that dub I just I hate that too.

606
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 4: I don't like it either, but I don't feel good

607
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 4: about it. But it's what came to my mind, and

608
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 4: I trust my instincts, much like Dan Campbell on Fourth Town.

609
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 2: Very much like Dan Campbell in that way.

610
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: It's also interesting how your perspective can shift in a season.

611
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 1: I'm so jacked for the playoffs in a season that

612
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: I didn't. I was telling everybody like, hey, if we

613
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: want a bunch of games, great, If not great, we're

614
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 1: heading the right direction.

615
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 2: Yep. And now you look at it as this major

616
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 2: building point for the future.

617
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be Do you have any I

618
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: know you don't because I know your mentality as a human,

619
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: but I still am gonna ask the question, do you

620
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: have any like, maybe this is the year Ben Johnson

621
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: takes a job. Maybe next year is the year that

622
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,719
Speaker 1: Jared Goff's contract starts to affect the roster. Maybe like

623
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: maybe maybe maybe maybe do like all these things that

624
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: have made this is inarguably, right the greatest year in

625
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: franchise history.

626
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, wouldn't you say.

627
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 3: A shadow of it out?

628
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: Is there any part of your brain that thinks we

629
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: have to strike now we had, like I don't want

630
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: to wait and see if we can strike again the

631
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: next two years? There's like this is a Because you

632
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: watch old NFL films, the thing you hear the most

633
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: is you know, I got there and I thought I

634
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: would I thought this is just the start, and that's just.

635
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 2: Not how it works.

636
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: Or do you are you tricked by the Patriots Chiefs

637
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: universe where you think you can just be relevant for

638
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: a really, really long time.

639
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 3: Well I think that.

640
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 4: You know, when you mentioned the Patriots and the Chiefs,

641
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 4: what it comes down to is the one thing that

642
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 4: they kept.

643
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 3: Well, I guess with the Chiefs it was you.

644
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 4: Know, Andy Reid and their players. It was until Tom

645
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 4: Brady left, it was Bill Belichick and their players. Now

646
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 4: I would be lying if I said, I wasn't worried

647
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 4: about Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn leaving because what you

648
00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 4: alluded to earlier, Dan Campbell's the sheriff.

649
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 3: This guy am I right, I trust this guy on

650
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 3: my left. Let's go, let's go fight.

651
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 4: But I do think that there are I do think

652
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 4: Dan Campbell and Brad Holmes have an ability to scout

653
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 4: motivators and good coaches the same way that they do players.

654
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 4: I have to brace myself for the fact that I mean,

655
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 4: if you, if you know, gun to my head, I

656
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 4: would say Aaron Glenn has a better chance of taking

657
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 4: a head coaching job than Ben Johnson does. And that's

658
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 4: not to say that I don't think Ben Johnson is

659
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 4: a surefire. You know, gone, He's going to be very

660
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 4: particular about the jobs that he takes. I mean that's

661
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 4: been publicized out there and everything. But I do think

662
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 4: that there are candidates in house that would be good.

663
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 4: And I do think that there are candidates available, especially

664
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 4: on the defensive side of the ball, to you know,

665
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 4: come in and do what Dan Campbell does. I mean,

666
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 4: Dan Campbell's going to bring in guys that reflect his mentality.

667
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 3: That's just how it is.

668
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about Ben Johnson a lot, and we're

669
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: both comedians, and as a comedian, when you're starting, you

670
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: think of yourself as like, and I don't know how

671
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: you thought of it. I'm an egomaniac, but I want

672
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: to have my own TV show. I want to be there,

673
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: you know, you want to be as big as you can.

674
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: You want to do the theater tour. And then you

675
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: think about what people used to say about Brian Reagan

676
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: and still say, is you know, Brian Reagan's one of

677
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: the best comedians to ever live.

678
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 3: Yep.

679
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: He's immensely well known, but he can just go do

680
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: a show, go have dinner, and walk back to the

681
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: hotel and no one bothers him.

682
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 3: Yep, and yep.

683
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: I think about my ego. Would always want to be

684
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: a head coach. I always want to be.

685
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 2: In charge, YadA, YadA, YadA.

686
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: But if you're Ben Johnson and you truly do like

687
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: calling plays, which, by the way, I think people forget

688
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: and I think this is.

689
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 2: Evidenced he's creative, man. I think this is evidenced with

690
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 2: the Dan Campbell thing.

691
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: I think because we're so used to coordinators getting jobs,

692
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: you forget that a head coach is an entirely different

693
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: skill set. Absolutely, Kevin O'Connell is such a unique and

694
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: Andy Reid is also, Mike Tomlin is also there's they're

695
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: unique combinations of guys who call their side of the

696
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: ball and run their side of the ball and can

697
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: also run the organization and all the things that need

698
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: Like that's they're two. It's like auditioning and acting.

699
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 2: They're not. They don't. They're very different.

700
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: They people from the outside might go, well, that's coaching,

701
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: but from the inside, they're very You're like dealing with flights,

702
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: you're dealing with all these you're kind of like in

703
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: a different universe managing an entire building of people, you know,

704
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: or a team of people. Like if you're Ben Johnson

705
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: and you're not gonna like the way I'm thinking about.

706
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 3: This, Oh don't worry. I'm ready to rephrase.

707
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: But let's say you go and you win a Super

708
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: Bowl or you do really well this year. Is there

709
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: a universe where you go, Okay, I'm gonna let my

710
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: contract run out here, I'm gonna let the Lions bit

711
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: on me. But guess what, I don't want to be

712
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,479
Speaker 1: a head coach now. I want to be paid the

713
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: best assistant coach in the NFL buy a significant amount,

714
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: and I'm a hired gun.

715
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 2: Every everybody in the league.

716
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: I'm open, Come pitch me, Come you want me to

717
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: come and run your offense? Like what an interesting thing

718
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: to not have the pressure of an organization and all

719
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: it's like all your job is to hand pick because

720
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: you can tell me outside of the guys who run

721
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: their own offense, you think there's any team in the

722
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: league right now that if Ben Johnson was like, I'm

723
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: leaving the Lions and I'd like to I'd like to

724
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: offensively coordinate somewhere else that he wouldn't have suitors lining

725
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: out the door, impressive quarterbacks and weapons running out the door,

726
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: even even some of the really impressive ones. You don't

727
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: think Zach Taylor in Cincinnati would go, hey, why don't

728
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: you come down here and run bro So it's never

729
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: gonna have Zach.

730
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 4: Taylor tried to poach Ben Johnson when he was the

731
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 4: tight ends coach. I mean he went after him.

732
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: I don't think ever in a million years, I don't

733
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: think you get to be an offensive coordinator with the

734
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: sort of drive it takes to be a head coach,

735
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: right because that's a hard path. But man, he could

736
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: really walk an interesting path if he wanted to.

737
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 4: I'll tell you we talk about Jared Goss contract and

738
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 4: all that. The head coaches contract, any of the staff's

739
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 4: contract does not affect the salary cap whatsoever. There is

740
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 4: not a world where we continue on the trajectory putting

741
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 4: up the points that we have the past year, where

742
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 4: she La Ford would let Ben Johnson leave to go

743
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 4: coordinate another offense. She would, she would pay him, she would,

744
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 4: she would do what the Lions did with brock Wright

745
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 4: in San Francisco. They she would match and rays.

746
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 1: I'm not saying whether she would do that. I'm saying, like,

747
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 1: if I'm Ben Johnson and I go, that's great, that's great.

748
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 1: But before I commit to Jared, go like, I need

749
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: to see what the organization and what the talent. Because

750
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: here's the other thing about the Detroit Lions. They have

751
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: one of the two best offensive lines in all of football.

752
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 3: They have well, yeah, one of the two, the top

753
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 3: of the two, but yeah, go ahead.

754
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: So they have one of the two top offensive lines

755
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: in the NFL.

756
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 2: They have elite, an elite.

757
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: Running back, they have an incredible receiver, they have they

758
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: have a fantastic young titand like they have all these

759
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: pieces and we don't know what those pieces are gonna

760
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: look like in three years, right Like Cincinnati's gone through

761
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: that right now. A few years ago it was Joe Mixon,

762
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: Tyler boyd uh T Higgins, Jamar Chase, Joey Burrow, all

763
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: this stuff, and all of a sudden, now it's they

764
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: haven't paid Chase, they haven't paid Higgins. Higgins has probably gone,

765
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,439
Speaker 1: Joe Mixon has been gone for a year, Chase Brown

766
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: doesn't really fit.

767
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 2: They had Giseki in this year, you know. It's so.

768
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is whether or not the dollar figure

769
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: would keep you there, Like if you're that good and

770
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: you're like, because everybody like I can't tell. With the

771
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: way people talk about him nationally, it's half the stories

772
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: is he's going to be really really picky, and half

773
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: the stories are are he's not sure he.

774
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 2: Wants to do all the head coach stuff.

775
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 3: YEP.

776
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: So in that case, I'm saying, like, do you step

777
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: back in when your contract runs out and you go,

778
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: what's the best situation and you just go become the

779
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: literally a Hall of Fame coordinator.

780
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 2: The greatest coordinator in NFL history.

781
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 4: You know, going back to you know what we talked

782
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 4: about with the press conference in Dan Campbell, and the

783
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 4: national media doesn't see or hear the things that they

784
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 4: don't want to sound. Clip Ben Johnson's press conferences. He's

785
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 4: wildly loyal to Dan Campbell. He is wildly loyal to

786
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 4: the city of Detroit. And the only reason I could

787
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 4: see him.

788
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: In the history of football keep going, or basketball or soccer,

789
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: I would say, any other sports.

790
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 2: Hockey, I would say.

791
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 4: The only reason that in your scenario that Ben Johnson

792
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 4: would leave the Detroit Lions and the you know, the

793
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 4: quarterback that he has built his offense around, the two

794
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 4: running backs, the two receivers, the tight end, the offensive line,

795
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 4: like ever, all the pieces you have, is to prove that,

796
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 4: in fact, he is the greatest coordinator of all time

797
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 4: and go and take on a real project like a

798
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 4: like a like a Raiders right now, or you know,

799
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 4: I can't even say New England. Who's the worst offense

800
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 4: in the league right now?

801
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 2: Jacksonville Jaguars. I don't know. I'm not a big stat.

802
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 4: I mean, that's a nice situation though, because of Trevor

803
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 4: Lawrence and you know Travis Atan's not bad. Tank Bigsby

804
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 4: played well.

805
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: I don't think you're going to I don't agree with that.

806
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: I think you're going I think you want to go

807
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: and prove.

808
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 3: You don't know him. Sigh, you don't know him.

809
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the AFC really quick, and then I'm

810
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 1: gonna and then I want your prediction for what happens

811
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: this week.

812
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 2: Okay, So you have the AFC, we have Chiefs.

813
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: Get the one seed Bill's Broncos, which Sean McDermott has

814
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 1: an incredible record against rookie quarterbacks that's gonna be tested

815
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: against Bonnicks.

816
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 3: Their defense is so good. Denver's defense is incredible.

817
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not as big of a bon Knicks guy

818
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: as I think bo Nicks might. He might end up

819
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 1: being a Hall of Famer, But like bo Nicks has

820
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: a lot of really great first halves and a lot

821
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: of okay second halves. And to me, that says Sean

822
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: Payton is an awesome coach, he is scripting, he is helping,

823
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: and then we.

824
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 2: Go from there. But Sean McDermott historically and that defense

825
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 2: is really good.

826
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,959
Speaker 1: So you got you got the Bills there, You've got

827
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,760
Speaker 1: the Ravens Steelers, which the Steelers do. As I detour

828
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: on each of these, I just wanted to read the

829
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: three and then have you tell me which team was

830
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: the most likely upset pick. But this thing in Pittsburgh

831
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,240
Speaker 1: where all these fans, I have so many Pittsburgh friend fans,

832
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: fan friends, Pittsburgh fan friends who keep They're like, they

833
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 1: want to get rid of Tomlin. They're like, it's time

834
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: we need a culture shift, dude, bro right from fan

835
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: bases who haven't had great coaches forever.

836
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 2: We have him now, but we haven't had it forever.

837
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: They're like, well, we're never gonna be bad enough to

838
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: get a pick, and we're never good. You're like, dude,

839
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,240
Speaker 1: figure out your personal do something anything other than getting

840
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 1: rid of Mike Tomlin.

841
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 4: That's such a spoiled mentality to say we're never going

842
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 4: to be bad enough to get a pick. You mean

843
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 4: you're content every year that he's been there, you've won,

844
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 4: you've had hope, you've had a legitimate reason to believe

845
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 4: that you could go and make some noise. And you're like, oh,

846
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 4: that's ridiculous, that's such a that's such a spoiled fan base.

847
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more so. Then you got the Texans

848
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:32,439
Speaker 1: the Chargers. So of those matchups, do you have any

849
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 1: do you have any of those teams that you think

850
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: should be on upset Watch? And I mean, I don't

851
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: know if you can call the Texans a major upset

852
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: to the Chargers, But do you have any team that

853
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: others wouldn't suspect making or run.

854
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 4: I think the Chargers take down the Texans. I think

855
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 4: I think the Steelers. I think the Steelers could take

856
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 4: down the Rave That would be my AFC upset. That

857
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 4: would be my AFC.

858
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 1: I got to tell you, if that happens, that would

859
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: be off of four or five straight losses.

860
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, that would be That would be another testament to

861
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 4: Mike Tomlin and against all of those Pittsburgh fans. And

862
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 4: if there's a coach that can do it, it's him.

863
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 2: Now.

864
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,720
Speaker 1: They haven't won a playoff game in like eight years,

865
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 1: that's true. And I will tell you if the Steelers

866
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: win that game, if they go into their division rival,

867
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: division champ Raven's house, after everybody's screaming the Lamar MVP argument,

868
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: after they have all these like they're whatever whatever in Dvoa,

869
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: Lamar has the second greatest passer rating you know, in

870
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: NFL history, and they go in and beat him round one.

871
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: Who that lamar noise is gonna get really, really loud. Now,

872
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: I love a Chargers run.

873
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 3: I mean, they've they've gone through some pain over the years.

874
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: I like.

875
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: I think Jim Harbaugh is such a uniquely impressive coach

876
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: in the way that I don't know, maybe he wears

877
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: people out, but the first couple of years, man, he's gangbusters, sure.

878
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 2: And Justin Herbert.

879
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: Is playing so efficiently. He's throwing the ball so much

880
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: less this year and playing at a efficient clip throwing

881
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: the ball.

882
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 4: So much less, but his receivers are still regularly going

883
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 4: over one hundred and fifty yards. Like, you're absolutely right.

884
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 4: The efficiency is off the charts. And Justin Herbert is

885
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 4: a different quarterback than Jaj McCarthy was in at Michigan.

886
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 3: So like to see that.

887
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 4: Arm talent all of a sudden, and the things that

888
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 4: the play the way the playbook opens up for Justin

889
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,439
Speaker 4: Herbert as opposed to you know, a run first, let's

890
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 4: jam it down your throat offense has been pretty impressive

891
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 4: and he hasn't straight too far away from that.

892
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I I think it's unlikely. But if you

893
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: are making me pick a an unlikely run to the

894
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: super Bowl or to a championship game, it's the Chargers.

895
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: I should keep your eye on the Chargers. I just

896
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: think he's battle tested. I think he's been there. It's

897
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: it's kind of like, you know, if you're the Chicago Bears, right,

898
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 1: or if you're the Jets. You know, I saw somebody

899
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: talking about this, like all the candidates they're considering, don't

900
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: you want a culture don't you want to proven commodity

901
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: culture shifter like Mike Rabel, Like they're chasing a lot

902
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: of assistance, but like that's what they got in Uh,

903
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: that is what they got in.

904
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 2: Harbaugh in La.

905
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: He came in and he's like, no, no, no, no, no,

906
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: we do all this this way now. And he's just

907
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: he's just been there and seen so many things. So

908
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,959
Speaker 1: I think that could be really interesting. All right, here's

909
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: the deal. I'm gonna let you pick a couple of

910
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: games that matter. Okay, first, at first, I want what

911
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: do you think is gonna happen in the Eagles Packers game?

912
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 2: You think the Packers got any shot?

913
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 3: I mean, the Packers have a shot.

914
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 4: I do think that the Eagles have the second best

915
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 4: offensive line in the league and the best running back

916
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 4: in the league.

917
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 3: I not to mention, I mean, I think I think

918
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 3: the Eagles win that.

919
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 2: So I the only thing I would say is.

920
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: The Packers have such a good defensive line, a front

921
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 1: four generally.

922
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 2: Now, did the Vikings.

923
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,439
Speaker 1: Handle them well, they sure did, But they have such

924
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: a good front four that that is that is the

925
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: way you have to you have to compete with.

926
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 4: They're not playing Jared Goff or Sam Darnold. They're playing

927
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:03,919
Speaker 4: Jalen Hurts, who can move.

928
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: I understand, but I also think he's you know, he's

929
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: had an up and down year. He's also still in

930
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,959
Speaker 1: concussion protocol. Yeah, we'll see what happens when the show

931
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: comes out, but that's where he is right now. Uh.

932
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: But I think in order to beat the Egos, you

933
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: gotta get pressure, and that's really hard to do against

934
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: that line. They have a really good front four, and

935
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: they win. They blitz with Halfley. It's effective. I think

936
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: it's unlikely, but I'd like it. Okay, So next up,

937
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: let's do Commander's Buccaneers.

938
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 4: Oh God, I'd love to see the Commanders win. But

939
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 4: I also I would also love you.

940
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 2: The team you're most worried about is the Buccaneers.

941
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: No, I think if you really had to think about it,

942
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 1: they're scoring like forty points a game. They're going nuts.

943
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: They've been a thorn in your side. I think I

944
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: was a Lions fan, I would want them out immediately.

945
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 4: I think ideally as a Lions fan, I can see

946
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 4: where you're coming from. I think as the team of

947
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,760
Speaker 4: the line, I think two teams that they want another

948
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 4: crack at are the Bucks and the Bills. I bet

949
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 4: you I can see them wanting to play the Bucks

950
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 4: just before they have to play the Bills and win

951
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 4: out against the teams that beat us and go feeling like,

952
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 4: I mean, we beat everybody.

953
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 2: Listen to me.

954
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: I think that's great and really cute. You do not

955
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: want the Bills. You don't want the Bills. You don't

956
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: of all the teams. If I'm picking the one team

957
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 1: that I don't think the Lions should play against, it's

958
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills.

959
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 3: We lost by three with no defense.

960
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: They are a horrific matchup for you. It's gonna be

961
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: Josh Allen. I think he's so good. He's so good,

962
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: but he's so much better than people even think because

963
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: they're used to watching him outdoors in Buffalo. He is

964
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: just like you literally are gonna have to perfectly outscore.

965
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 2: Him if your two teams play market.

966
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: And I know and I know that's something that you

967
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,479
Speaker 1: fantasize and want. I'm just saying I I think you'd

968
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: be better off seeing the Chiefs, even though Mahomes and

969
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: Reid are all time.

970
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 3: It would be better off seeing the Broncos well, sure.

971
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 2: Sure rams hosting the Vikings.

972
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 3: I think the Vikings take that.

973
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jay, dump it. I don't want him jinxing us.

974
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: I wanted the hatred. I want you to come for us,

975
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:23,439
Speaker 1: and then I want us to prove you wrong.

976
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 4: Listen, there is nothing that will ever make me fine.

977
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 4: I went through everything with the Lions. I went through

978
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 4: h to sixteen. I went through heartbreak, I went through

979
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 4: terrible coaches. I went through busts of draft picks. I

980
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 4: went through all of it. I will never ever have

981
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 4: anyone close to my love for the Detroit Lions. But

982
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 4: with all that you guys have done, and you know

983
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 4: you guys are constantly having me on, the Vikings are

984
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 4: my second favorite team just because of the goodwill you

985
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 4: put out there.

986
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: I just I just accept it, exactly, accept exactly what

987
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: you're doing.

988
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 4: I know, Oh my god, you're like the Grinch when

989
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 4: his heart grew three sizes. You're so full of joy

990
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 4: and life.

991
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 1: I AI what you're doing. I know exactly what you're doing.

992
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,720
Speaker 1: You and your second best offensive line in the league.

993
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 2: That's gonna do.

994
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 3: It for us, post the start, post the stats.

995
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: That's gonna do it for us on the tailgate this week.

996
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 1: Thank you so much to Zach Martine for joining the

997
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: show as always.

998
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 2: Thank you, buddy, and thank you guys.

999
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 1: For listening to our podcast feed. Hey, well you're here,

1000
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: go give us a review, give us five stars. It

1001
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 1: actually helps us out a lot in the elgo rhythm. Finally,

1002
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: a huge shout out to Ticketmaster, the official ticket marketplace

1003
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,240
Speaker 1: of the Minnesota Vikings, for helping make this show happen.

1004
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: And hey, we're gonna keep kicking out Vikings tailgate shows

1005
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: throughout their playoff run, and we'll do some in the offseason.

1006
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: So stick around, stay tuned, keep checking us out.

1007
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Speaker 2: We'll see you guys soon. Have a great week, everybody,