1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:01,520 Speaker 1: Ben Higgins and Ashley. 2 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 2: I bring you Infamous. Sometimes roses are red flags. 3 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 3: Welcome to Infamous, because sometimes roses are red flags. Our 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 3: story begins with Sidney Gordon, you know or from Joey season, 5 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 3: from her feud with Maria. Sidney, Welcome to the podcast. 6 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. 7 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:25,080 Speaker 4: Ben. 8 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 2: Sydney's a little bit of a little nervous about talking 9 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 2: to Ben. Because Ben was a little nervous. We'll just 10 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 2: put it out there. Sometimes I think when you admit 11 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 2: the nerves, it makes you feel a little relieved. So 12 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 2: this podcast has really been a year in the making. 13 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 2: We've wanted Sydney on for quite some time. Because I 14 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 2: nominated Sydney to go on the show. I thought she 15 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 2: would be great, and I texted the producers as soon 16 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 2: as they announced Joey was the Bachelor because that was 17 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 2: the only guy that she was interested in possibly going 18 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 2: on the show for. And then she became well, a 19 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 2: villain of sorts to the audience, really unexpected to both 20 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 2: of us. 21 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: You did say I would be prod for the show, 22 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: and you technically weren't wrong. 23 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:14,639 Speaker 2: Just didn't know that was the caricature you'd fall into. 24 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 2: But yeah, so Ben was not easy on Sydney when 25 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 2: we would do our recaps last year of Joey's season. 26 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 2: We've wanted her on, like I said, for a whole year, 27 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 2: but Warner Brothers nZk, the production company, they didn't want 28 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 2: Sidney to do interviews. And now she is out of 29 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 2: contract and allowed to do interviews without approval and we 30 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:35,559 Speaker 2: have her here today. Yeah. 31 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: I'm so excited, And honestly, I think everything happens for 32 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: a reason. It's a good thing that I didn't go 33 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: on the show a year and a half ago because 34 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: my approach would have been so differently. And I've definitely 35 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: had a lot of self discovery and growth in the 36 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: year and a half and I probably would have left 37 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,040 Speaker 1: the podcast not feeling good, and obviously I wanted to 38 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: be completely different this time around. 39 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 3: We want you to feel good, Sydney. Don't be nervous. 40 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: Oh thanks, Ben. 41 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 3: Let's just be honest. 42 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 1: How about that? 43 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 3: Okay, let's be honest. I want to start before we 44 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 3: get into all the nitty gritty and all the things 45 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,959 Speaker 3: that viewers watched, and allow you the space to tell 46 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 3: your story. I want to ask, are you thankful that 47 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 3: Ashley signed you up for this show? Or do you 48 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 3: look at Ashley as somebody that walked you into one 49 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 3: of the worst decisions of your life. 50 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: So no, I would definitely say that I'm thankful for 51 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: that experience. I made some friends that I will have 52 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 1: for the rest of my life, and I definitely think 53 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 1: I came out on top in the end from it. Yeah, No, 54 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: I'm definitely thankful for the experience for sure. 55 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad that you're not mad at me. I 56 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 2: do feel guilt time and time again. But now do 57 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 2: you why do you feel like you came out on top? 58 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: So I mean, I I mean, I'm gonna throw astrology 59 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: out there, ma Lea. I love attention and I like 60 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: having people, you know, like me, and I always was 61 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: seeking like validation from other people. And obviously, like when 62 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: the whole world it felt like hated me, I had 63 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: no choice but to just be like true to myself 64 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: and just be okay with knowing who I am, you know, 65 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: and the people that actually care about me know who 66 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: I am. So I think with that, you know, with that, 67 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: and also I think it became a more well rounded 68 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: person and understand other people better. 69 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 2: Okay, Well that's good, Yeah, good, that's good. 70 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 3: The interesting part of this is that actually just said 71 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 3: she feels guilt. Yes, yeah, I was the one that 72 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 3: was tough on you on this show obviously Ashley just 73 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 3: the experience I feel. 74 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: Guilt for, like for having Ashley. She had to dig 75 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: herself out of a hole. 76 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 2: No, no, no, you. 77 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: Had to like constantly be like no, like I see 78 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 1: her side though, and like, you know, you didn't want 79 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: to you know break you know your NBA underny of 80 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: that because I was telling you things that probably shouldn't know. 81 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: But no, Ben, I mean, you definitely took the popular vote, 82 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: you know, the easy route. 83 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 3: So interesting. The easy route is fine. 84 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 2: I'll take that. 85 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 3: It was maybe the the more uh that was the 86 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 3: majority opinion. However, it wasn't because of you as a person. 87 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 3: Here is where my frustration lied with how you walk 88 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 3: through this show. And I want to give you the 89 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 3: space now before we start talking about Maria specifically, to 90 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 3: really lean into you personally. What I experienced watching the 91 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 3: show was a lot of excitement because of what Ashley 92 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 3: told me about you. There was a lot of hope 93 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 3: that this experience would go really well for you. I 94 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 3: didn't know a lot about how the experience went until 95 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 3: the show started airing what we saw with Maria, and again, 96 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 3: this moment isn't about Maria is character development, some growth, 97 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 3: some like wiggling through some really difficult moments to get 98 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 3: to a place where at the end of the day 99 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 3: people were rooting for her. What we didn't see in you, 100 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 3: I felt like was many moments where that you could 101 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 3: have turned the corner, you could have let things go, 102 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 3: you could have moved past some of these arguments, and 103 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 3: it felt like it was always getting drawn back to you. 104 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 3: And so instead of moving on and being like, hey, 105 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,559 Speaker 3: this isn't working out for me, like people are mad, 106 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 3: she's mad, I am just going to focus on my 107 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 3: relationship and try to make this thing the best I can. 108 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 3: What the show showed us was at each and every 109 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 3: episode that you were around, it continue to get brought 110 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 3: up by you. And so my frustration was why doesn't 111 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 3: she just move on? Like, why doesn't she just take 112 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 3: a step outside of the scenario. So I want to 113 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 3: give you a place to explain why either you didn't 114 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 3: move on or why it didn't look like you moved on. 115 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I mean I definitely you know you're film 116 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: from the second you wave go up to the second 117 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: go to bed. So I've had like so many different 118 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: conversations with you know, Joey, with the girls in the house, 119 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: and even with Maria, and they weren't all so like 120 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: intense and almost like cut through what you saw. I 121 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 1: think there was a lot of like very like heartfelt 122 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: and vulnerable conversations that I've had with Maria, even just 123 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 1: like giving her the benefit of the doubt a lot 124 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: of the time, and it just didn't make the final cut. 125 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: And I think, like that's just not the narrative that 126 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: was set around who I was supposed to be, the 127 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: character that I was supposed to be, Like, I wish 128 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: that you could have seen that like more softer, quieter, 129 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: more like reflective moments that I had, which I definitely 130 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: had in the show, but you mostly saw like me 131 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: in the heat of the moment with the reactions to 132 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: things that had happened that I personally like tried to 133 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: get away from but it just it just felt like 134 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: it I could get away from it. 135 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 2: With Maria, Like You've always said that lots of girls, 136 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 2: if not the majority, had issues with her. Why did 137 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 2: they always show you as the spokesperson for everybody's issues? 138 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, in my opinion, I wish that I knew that. 139 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: I think like I think it all stems for like 140 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: the first thing that had happened, which was the stupidest 141 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: thing in the entire world, the age. And I mean 142 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: also too, I do want to preface, like I don't 143 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: think like going into like depth about every single thing 144 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: is going to do us any good. Also, like he 145 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: thought about it where we just ended Grant season. 146 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 2: Like it's been remember the details. 147 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: You don't remember the details, but yeah, so like I 148 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: just want to like come on here and just give 149 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: a little bit more like understanding, you know, just for 150 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: the future Villains of America as well. But I think 151 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:46,199 Speaker 1: that basically where it all started was with the whole 152 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: age comment. And it's funny because like it was with 153 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: Medina had opened up about like her age and how 154 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: she was she felt some type away about being the 155 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: oldest one in the house. 156 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 4: Basically, you never see you never saw the conversation between 157 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 4: me and Medina. You never saw me like toddling or 158 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 4: whatever that because essentially never even happened. And I don't know, 159 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 4: so basically what happened was Medina was insecure about it. 160 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: I think it might already been planted that people were 161 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: talking about the age comment, but I just said she 162 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 1: asked me, and I was just like yeah, I mean 163 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: like Maria said something about her being old too, but 164 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:39,079 Speaker 1: like I don't know, it was never a thing. And 165 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 1: then for some reason something got miscommunicated and it became 166 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: this huge thing and it was like being talked about 167 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: the house like who said this, Who's who's putting my 168 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: character in question? Kind of thing, and then I was 169 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: just like, wait, like I heard you say it, though 170 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: like it was more of like a instead of like 171 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: I did hear you say it? And then it kind 172 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: of just more of got of like a I think 173 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: I got caught up in being more of like like 174 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: why are you gaslighting? And that's very gas lighting is 175 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: a terrim I didn't want to. 176 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, don't go. Don't go into that in. 177 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: The moment kind of like what I felt about it, 178 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: but it honestly was not a big deal. And then 179 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: that whole situation kind of got squashed and like we 180 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: moved on from it. But yeah, I think that looking 181 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: back on it now, like I Mariana, I just like 182 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: communicated so differently, just so differently. I think I'm more 183 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: of a I'm more sensitive than her. I think that 184 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: she works with more of like a if. You're a if, 185 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: like your feelings get hurt from when I say, that's 186 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: like your problem, and like I understand that. And I 187 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: think like her intentions were always good, whereas like before 188 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: I thought they were kind of like malicious. But I 189 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: just think she never she never meant any harm by anything. 190 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: I think we just communicated differently. 191 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 3: What you'd say now is you look back and you're like, 192 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 3: I was wrong to think that her intentions were not good. 193 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 3: You now think her intentions were good throughout the process. 194 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: Yes, I would say that I think that I don't 195 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: think her intentions were to ever hurt my feelings. I 196 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: think that she just communicate communicates differently. 197 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 3: There's a thing here that I always kind of in 198 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 3: a little bit of it is giving you the benefit 199 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 3: of doubt. And also it's just a trick that the 200 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 3: show can do to somebody when they get wrapped up 201 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 3: in a moment like you did or in a thing 202 00:11:56,120 --> 00:12:00,079 Speaker 3: that you did. What what happens is the show h 203 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 3: from the inside makes you almost feel like a hero, 204 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 3: like you're doing the right thing because you're standing up 205 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 3: against a common enemy. And they make Maria feel like 206 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 3: a common enemy. They say things to you in private 207 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 3: that she said, and they're like they you know, you 208 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 3: are doing a great job by standing up to her, 209 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 3: and as a result, when it airs, sometimes that gets 210 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 3: switched over and you realize that you're actually the one 211 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 3: that's speaking up so much, and it makes you look 212 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 3: like a villain instead of the hero, which you felt 213 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 3: during the process of the show, like you were standing 214 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 3: up for your friends and really nobody else wanted you to. 215 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 3: Was this what happened to you, because it has happened 216 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 3: to many before when you're in the environment, did you 217 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 3: feel like you were doing the right thing? 218 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you just hit the nail on the head. 219 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: Like I definitely felt like I was, you know, standing 220 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: up to the person that everyone had a problem with. 221 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 1: And I think that looking back at it now, I 222 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 1: should have prioritized instead of being like this hero, more 223 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: of like the real reason why I was there. But 224 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I you know, when 225 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: you when you start the show, you don't have communication 226 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,199 Speaker 1: with anybody. You can't talk to your friends, can't talk 227 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: to your family. See, you just find somebody that you trust, 228 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: and I like fully trusted my producer like so much, 229 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 1: and like there was times where I was like super overwhelmed, 230 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: crying in her arms, and then she'd be like, oh 231 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: my god, sending like Maria was just mocking you in 232 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 1: the camera while you were crying, and I'm just like why, bitch, 233 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: Like why would she do that? And then it's just like, 234 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: wait did now looking back and I'm like, wait, did 235 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: she actually though? Or you know, it was just a 236 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: bunch of those little things that constantly added up into 237 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: making me like feel you know, hurt and upset and 238 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: angry in all those things, and like what you saw 239 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: was my reaction to that. So that's kind of where 240 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: I think it. Even though I really I did really 241 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: try hard to get away from the drama, it just 242 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: felt like it was never ending. 243 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 3: Sucks you in. 244 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of times we talk about, you know, 245 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 2: the edit. You know, people kind of hate hearing that, 246 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 2: like it was the edit that made me look bad, right, 247 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 2: the audience just doesn't want to hear that. But there's 248 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 2: one thing that we don't talk about when it comes 249 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 2: to the edit, and that is like character development. And 250 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 2: with you, you didn't really have any. All you had 251 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 2: was that you jumped right into drama with somebody else, 252 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 2: but we didn't get to know you at all before that, 253 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 2: Like even your exit from the limo was like an 254 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 2: nothing you had nothing night one, Like I remember watching 255 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 2: the screener and then texting you and being like, you're 256 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 2: going to be disappointed at Night one, like you're not 257 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 2: in it, And I think that obviously that's a mechanism 258 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 2: that's part of the edit, right, It's a mechanism for 259 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 2: people not to latch onto for like any likable qualities, 260 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 2: and then you jump into the drama and they just 261 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 2: don't have any any reason to say, like, oh I 262 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 2: like this girl, so they're immediately on the other person's side, 263 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 2: who has, in Maria's case, had a ton of character development. 264 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 2: How frustrating was that for you? 265 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: Yeah? 266 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 2: No, And like do you have examples in which, like 267 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 2: the audience could have learned to like you? 268 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. It was like when the drama started, it 269 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: was like a Team Maria team versus Team Sidney, but 270 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: there was no Team Sidney, Like why would there be? 271 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: They didn't even know who I was. I just came 272 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: like a came out of nowhere, Like Night one, you 273 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: barely saw me, like I had like a great interaction 274 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: with Joey, like a little bit of banter. We love 275 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: Matt and that have a banter, but and you know, 276 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: like a really good conversation. I was like super confident 277 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: in that, and then because the audience never really saw that, 278 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: it almost was like looking like I'm jealous of this 279 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: person and like her confidence and her connection and all 280 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: of that, when at the end of the day, like 281 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: it was never that I never even saw the version 282 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: of her that you know everyone else saw, which honestly, 283 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: like looking back and like wow, watching her, I'm like 284 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: if I knew this of her, like we'd be friends. 285 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: Like I like think that, you know, she is really 286 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: cool and like how everyone else sees her. But yeah, 287 00:16:56,520 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: I just think that I've had so many conversations and 288 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 1: like that were heartfelt and they just like with Joey 289 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: with the girls in the House, like you see it now, 290 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: like if you follow me on social media, Like I'm 291 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: still really close with a lot of the girls in 292 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: the House, and like I wish that the show showed 293 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 1: that because there was so many moments where like, like 294 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: I supported the women and like there were so many 295 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: parts where I was just so much more like it 296 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: was just so much beyond the tension. And also like 297 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: I'm I wouldn't say I'm funny, but I'm like very witty, 298 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: and I feel like there was a lot of times 299 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,239 Speaker 1: I was super witty in my itms, and like no 300 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: one saw that, even just like bits with the girls, 301 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: like we were just did stupid things like I wish 302 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 1: that people got to see my relationship with the girls 303 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 1: and you know, see who I am as a person, 304 00:17:55,920 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 1: and then maybe things would have made little bit more sense. 305 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 3: You said something earlier, you said, I took the popular opinion. 306 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:06,880 Speaker 1: I think it's. 307 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 3: Interesting I did. No, I agree with it. I did. 308 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 3: I took the popular opinion, and I don't feel bad 309 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:19,360 Speaker 3: because I know what actually, Okay, That's where I'm going 310 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 3: with this is. You know, Ashley's told me the kind 311 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 3: of person you are. I never said, oh my gosh, 312 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 3: this city is a terrible human, like how does she 313 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 3: exist in this world? It was a legitimate critique of 314 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 3: what I witness on a television show. And I think 315 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 3: for this specific infamous section, there's a few things I 316 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 3: want to point out and then ask you a question 317 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 3: based on it. The behind the scenes of this is interesting. 318 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 3: What they did, was they I'm trying to think of 319 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 3: the right word. They manipulated you to feel like a 320 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 3: hero and to continue a storyline that was unhelpful for 321 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 3: you personally. And so I can see where when you're 322 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 3: in the house, you have a polarizing character and Maria, 323 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 3: she's loud, she's outspoken, and they say, we need somebody 324 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 3: to go after her, and Sydney, you just happen to 325 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 3: be the one they chose to be the focus point 326 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 3: to go after her, to make to be what you 327 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 3: felt like was a hero in the house, to stop 328 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 3: this person that you felt like was harming the environment, 329 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 3: and you don't know what the outcome is going to 330 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 3: be until the show airs. And so when I took 331 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 3: the popular opinion, what I was doing was I was 332 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 3: watching a show and saying, like I said, why doesn't 333 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 3: she stop this behavior? This is unnecessary? Why doesn't she 334 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 3: move on? She's never going to win this battle. She's 335 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 3: in a vacuum of chaos, and she's never going to 336 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 3: get out until she chooses to get out. So my 337 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 3: question is coming to you now, we can blame editing. 338 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 3: I hate it. I hate that we blame editing because 339 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 3: what happened was this wasn't edited to make you look 340 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,880 Speaker 3: this way. It was manipulated in the house, I feel 341 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 3: like to make you be this way. And so I 342 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 3: think the personal responsibility for any future cast member is 343 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 3: to at some point go, they're really making me focus 344 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 3: on this girl a lot. They're asking me a lot 345 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 3: of questions about this one human. They're really firing me 346 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 3: up about this one human. No, I'm going to put 347 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 3: my stake in the ground and say I'm done with it. 348 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 3: I got one thing to focus on. That's the lead, 349 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 3: that's Joey here in this scenario. So looking back and 350 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 3: this whole thing now, and you know what it felt 351 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 3: like when we're watching it, It still felt a little 352 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 3: chaotic to me. When was a moment that you would 353 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 3: have put your foot down, Like, when was a moment 354 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 3: that you should have said, I'm done with this, this 355 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 3: isn't gonna be, this isn't helpful for me or somebody else, 356 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 3: or did that ever come to your mind. 357 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: There was so many moments where I said I'm done. 358 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about this. Like the amount of times 359 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 1: you've seen me and Maria's interactions that barely scratched the 360 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: surface We've had way more conversations than that one where 361 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 1: like I stormed off. I'm like, this is just we're 362 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: not getting anywhere, like we're let's just agree to disagree. 363 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: The amount of time said let's just agree to disagree. 364 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: I said that so many times, and it just it 365 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: just wasn't enough. I think that this was what, this 366 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: is really what the only drama that was going on 367 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 1: in some way they it that just kept continuing it 368 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:37,919 Speaker 1: and like I was definitely naive, Like I wish I 369 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 1: wasn't as naive as I was, and I you know, 370 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: I believe them in saying like you know, you know, 371 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: she's she's talking about you again. I'm like, so about 372 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 1: me again, like you know, and I'm I wish it 373 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: for someone like okay, letter, all right, sure. 374 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I will also give you credit here because 375 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 2: I don't have the personality that can do that, and 376 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 2: I don't think that you could either, And that's okay, yeah. 377 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: No, I definitely didn't. And like I mean, I grew 378 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: up in New England, like we were told like you 379 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: say something, you see something, you say something. If somebody 380 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: gets in your face, you get on your face back. 381 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: That was kind of like how I grew up and like, 382 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: so I don't know, that's just just who I am. 383 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:25,479 Speaker 1: And like when I left the show, I told Ashley, 384 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm so proud the person that I was, 385 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: Like my family would be proud of, like me sticking 386 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 1: up to like the mean girl. Like that was actually 387 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 1: like how I left the show feeling like I was 388 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 1: actually super proud of that. But then you know, now 389 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 1: looking back at it, like we're all humans, Like we're 390 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: all humans. I think, like I do feel bad thinking 391 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: about the times where like Maria probably did feel very 392 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 1: ginged up on and like that was never my intentions, 393 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 1: Like my intentions were never to be like your horror person, 394 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 1: you're a mean girl, you're this, you're that. My my 395 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 1: intentions are more to like to just be like, hey, 396 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: like you do this is how you come off to people. 397 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: I think, like you're not intending to, but like you're 398 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,919 Speaker 1: hurting people's feelings. And that was like what it was originally, 399 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 1: but then it obviously escalated into just I was like 400 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: you you're a bitch, you know, And I wish I'd 401 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 1: never ever got to that point because that goes against 402 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 1: like everything I believe in. And then but yeah, I 403 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: love it to learn. 404 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 2: We are going to wrap up part one in a 405 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 2: little bit, but I wanted to end on some light 406 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,479 Speaker 2: notes with you, said, so I signed you up for 407 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 2: the show the second Like I said earlier in the 408 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 2: episode that Joey was announced and you showed a little interest, 409 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 2: I was like, yo, I think that I can get 410 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 2: you on the show, no problem. I end up texting 411 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 2: one of our close producer friends that was still there. Unfortunately, 412 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 2: if somebody wants me to sign them up from the 413 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 2: show now, it's gonna be a lot harder. But you 414 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 2: made the perfect timeline. I texted them pictures and immediately 415 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 2: they were interested in you. And I thought that you'd 416 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 2: be so good on the show because obviously you're beautiful. 417 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 2: But all my girlfriends who have met you at your 418 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 2: shop Folk, which you guys, is a very cool vintage 419 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 2: shop in Newport, Rhode Island. It's a must go to 420 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 2: if you're ever visiting here. All my friends that I 421 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 2: would take to go there, they would be like, oh 422 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 2: my god, this it is so cool, Like she's such 423 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 2: a cool girl. She intimidates me, like they all thought 424 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,199 Speaker 2: that she was so awesome, had the best style, a 425 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 2: cool like nonchalant personality. You were just like so easy, breezy, 426 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 2: effortless cool to us. And then and then the same 427 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 2: with Audrey's. So we I met sid because she was 428 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 2: the social media organizer. You ran our social media at Audrey's, 429 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 2: and then she ended up taking not over my social media, 430 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 2: but doing like whenever i'd have a big ad, I'd 431 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 2: have sid record it on her really awesome camera, and 432 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 2: she's so good at videography and she's so good at editing, 433 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 2: so any content that we needed that was like of 434 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 2: a high quality. We really made sure that Sidney was 435 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 2: there for us. And I was like this girl, Like 436 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 2: she has an amazing career, she's got a great personality, 437 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 2: and she's beautiful and she's cool girl. She's gonna be 438 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 2: great on the show. I always predict that you would 439 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 2: get to like top four. Then you came home and 440 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,199 Speaker 2: you told the story and you were convinced you were 441 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 2: the hero. You're like ash, it was just like you. 442 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 2: I had the two on one and I called out 443 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 2: the villain and I was like, oh no way, I'm 444 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 2: like totally thinking that you're gonna have a very similar 445 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 2: character arcis. 446 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: I did. 447 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 2: And then Jared was listening to tell the story, and 448 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 2: he you didn't leave. You left, and he was a 449 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 2: little less confident than I was. 450 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: No, he called it early like he was like, ooh, 451 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,120 Speaker 1: I don't know. He's like, is the fact that I 452 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: also went home so like much earlier, you know I've 453 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: been telling I was like, everyone's gonna be sad I 454 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: went home. 455 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 2: That's so funny. I felt very similarly when I came 456 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 2: back from Crystals this season. But there is always when 457 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,120 Speaker 2: you are the person that is in the drama, whether 458 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 2: you are the good guy or the bad guy, whatever 459 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 2: you want to make it, it's like when you're telling 460 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,239 Speaker 2: the story I was involved in the drama, I was like, 461 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 2: you know, I was the one that took them down. 462 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 2: You're like, oh, but there's a fifty to fifty chance 463 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 2: you don't really know which of you was the villain, right, 464 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,959 Speaker 2: And that's what Jared was concerned about. He was like, 465 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 2: if she was one of the two, there's like a 466 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,439 Speaker 2: fifty percent chance, said she was the one that's going 467 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 2: to go down in flames. 468 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. I mean I was just going off 469 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 1: of two of Like, I mean, the energy of the house. 470 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 1: I'm like, everyone feels the same way as me. And 471 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 1: then like also like I mean my producer said, there 472 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 1: was like no way that she was gonna be getting 473 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 1: good at it or anything, but like, yeah, no, it's honestly, 474 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: I'm so glad that we can look back at it 475 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: now and just like laugh. 476 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 477 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: But obviously actually, like remember when we were watching it 478 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:30,239 Speaker 1: back is obviously you you saw the episode before I 479 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: saw it, because I saw like everybody else. Yeah, you 480 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: said to me the worst thing like, yeah, you look 481 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: bad and like a lot of it, but like the 482 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: worst thing is the cheer. 483 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 2: Oh yes, that episode, because I think that was maybe 484 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 2: the first episode where you're starting to have the creepy 485 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 2: music behind you, where like you're trying to steer yeah right, no, 486 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 2: just I mean, like in general, like they were trying 487 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 2: to put the villain music behind you, and I was like, oh, okay, 488 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 2: I see what they're kind of doing here. And then 489 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 2: there was that she and I was like, yeah, you 490 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 2: don't look great because you look cringey, you don't look evil, 491 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 2: but they were already trying to at that point make 492 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 2: you be the lesser likable one in comparison to Maria. Yeah, 493 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 2: because do you want to give the little context to 494 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 2: the cheer. 495 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean, like I knew I didn't have 496 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: a talent, Like I was, Like I even said I 497 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: was it. 498 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 2: Was a talent show, guys, if you don't remember, it 499 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 2: was a talent show. 500 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:31,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, And so basically I was like I went because 501 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: there was a pageant. So it was a pageant and 502 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 1: then there was a talent portion in the Yeah. Well 503 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: I this is what I said in my itms, but 504 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: it got a little bit cut up. But I said, well, 505 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: I was on the Miss USA pageant because there was 506 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: no talent, Like you don't have you don't have to have. 507 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 2: A Miss Usa. 508 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, Missusa, you don't have to have a talent. So 509 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, my mom put me in that knowing 510 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: I didn't have a talent. 511 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 2: Which is truly funny when you say it like that. 512 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: And then like also like I was, I was like, 513 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: you know, I'm just gonna make a fool of myself. 514 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: I don't care, like it's a joke if you I mean, 515 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 1: so many people like CHRISA for example, she she picked 516 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: up the trombone and you were like, oh my god, 517 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: this girl she knows how to play drummone Nope, she 518 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: had no idea, but she just she I don't even 519 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: know if they even showed that talent, but it was 520 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: so funny. So it was just like a theme where 521 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 1: we were just making fun of ourselves and making it 522 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: light and fun and then like watching it back and 523 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: making it look like I was like dead serious. Was 524 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: honestly hilarious, but it was like people's reaction. I was like, oh, 525 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: but honestly, yeah, no, it was hella cringey. But honestly, 526 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: I think my my my cheer l O V E 527 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: Joe is the one for me, And I think that's 528 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: like pretty clever. 529 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 2: It's cute. I like that, but like the audience cheered 530 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 2: for you, and it wasn't an awkward vibe in the audience, right. 531 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: He added crickets, Yeah, that's cool. 532 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 2: And is that the most traumatic moment that happened to you? 533 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 2: And the airing back and it was, guys are very sad. 534 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 2: Like Sydney would come over and just be like texting 535 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 2: her friends from the group, you know, from the show 536 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 2: on the group chat, trying to figure out like how 537 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 2: people were interpreting all of this, and she'd be crying. 538 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 2: It was in like the in Instagram and TikTok brutal 539 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 2: and yeah, but you have recovered in a beautiful way 540 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 2: and people line up at your store, you know during 541 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 2: your bin sales. You have an amazing business. Now, would 542 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 2: you say that the show helped your business? I think 543 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 2: it was always doing well, but yeah, no, I mean. 544 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: It definitely did. People come in and they're like, oh 545 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 1: my god, I watched you on the Bachelor, and like, 546 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: I thankfully every person that has come up to me 547 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 1: has been so sweet and so kind, and it is like, honestly, 548 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 1: it's made every like obviously people on social media can 549 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: be ruthless, like I have never experienced somebody in person, 550 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: like everyone's been so kind and like, yeah, I mean 551 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, all press is good press, 552 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: I guess. And I like when people do come into 553 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: the store and like we'll have like watch my watch 554 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: me on the show, have an idea or me come 555 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: up to me and then like actually have a conversation 556 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: with me and be like wow, okay, like you are 557 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: not what I thought at all. So I actually really 558 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: enjoy changing people's minds. God. 559 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 2: So yeah, all right, well brand notes, all right, we 560 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 2: will finish with the dramatic stuff later on. This week 561 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 2: during our part two of the interview with Sidney Gordon, 562 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 2: so stay tuned for that. 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