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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Ozone Podcast presented by by Star Credit

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Speaker 1: Union with Jaguars senior writer John Osan. All Right, welcome

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Speaker 1: into this week's Ozone Podcast presented by by Star and Uh.

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Speaker 1: I say this every week, but I'm excited about six

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Speaker 1: week's guests because it's a guy that has a very

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Speaker 1: interesting story and I don't think Jaguars fans maybe have

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Speaker 1: had a chance to get to know that story yet.

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Speaker 1: Could you just arrived here a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: A lot of times we get to know guys during

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Speaker 1: the off season when they arrived during the season, takes

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Speaker 1: some time to get to know him. But this week's

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Speaker 1: guest is Dan Arnold, a fascinating story we'll get to

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Speaker 1: in a second. First of all, Dan, thanks for doing

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Speaker 1: this today. I know it's a busy week. Yeah, absolutely

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Speaker 1: appreciate being on here. And I know you've told your

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Speaker 1: story quite a bit. But I think Jaguars fans might

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Speaker 1: not realize Fargo, North Dakota in high school, Platteville in college.

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Speaker 1: Can you start further away from the NFL then you started, Um,

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Speaker 1: it would be it would be very difficult. I would

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Speaker 1: I would have to imagine. Um, Yeah, I mean it's

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Speaker 1: I grew up in in a little town in Wisconsin,

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Speaker 1: and then senior year moved up to North Dakota, and

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Speaker 1: then I went back to school in Wisconsin, a little

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Speaker 1: D three place, Um, and I just had a shot

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Speaker 1: and made the best of the opportunity and even distance, why,

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Speaker 1: I mean even more than distance. You went to college

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Speaker 1: as a high hurdler, which is fascinating to me. And

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Speaker 1: it was Division three, so in a school that famously

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Speaker 1: hasn't had a whole lot of NFL guys. How do

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Speaker 1: you maintain the dream or when did the dreams start

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Speaker 1: for you? Obviously probably when you were a senior in

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Speaker 1: high school. You're not thinking about sitting in Jacksonville talking

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Speaker 1: to me in ten years. Yeah. Um, you know it

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Speaker 1: kind of happened after my junior year in college and

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Speaker 1: uh had a had a really good season. Um, we

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Speaker 1: played a really good conference for Division three, so that

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Speaker 1: a lot of the scouts that would come then look

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Speaker 1: at guys at Wisconsin, they would just kind of swing

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Speaker 1: then from there, you know, I had a really good senior,

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Speaker 1: really good senior year in college and then got invited

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Speaker 1: to go to Kansas City and New Orleans rookie mini camps.

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Speaker 1: Didn't get signed after either of them, but then eventually

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Speaker 1: New Orleans ended up calling me back, and you know

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Speaker 1: that was that was the opportunity that I had and

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Speaker 1: played there for three years. This is a weird shot

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Speaker 1: in the dark. But were you familiar with Ben Bartch

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Speaker 1: at all? There? I mean, it's it's a stupid question,

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Speaker 1: but it's sort of a similar background. Some very good

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Speaker 1: football gets played up there where he played where you played.

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Speaker 1: At my point, it's not that far from the NFL

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Speaker 1: him at all? Yes? Um. Unfortunately, when he introduced himself,

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Speaker 1: he said he went to St. John's, which is the

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Speaker 1: team that we lost to my senior year in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: So I immediately said, it's not nice to meet you,

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Speaker 1: and I hate you. But it's much better football on

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Speaker 1: a Division three level up there that I think people realize. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I would say that the we ACT, the conference that

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Speaker 1: and his conference, the MAYAC, is this the second best.

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Speaker 1: I got you high hurdles, Where do you get started

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Speaker 1: in that. Is it a transition from that to the NFL?

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Speaker 1: Did they go along? Uh? Hand in hand? Did it help?

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Speaker 1: You just talk about that as your background a little bit. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: um My my mom was she was a track coach

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Speaker 1: didn't get to compete, which kind of it's sorry. It

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Speaker 1: sucks going back. I wish I would have done it

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Speaker 1: I mean, was always the priority. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And

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Speaker 1: of the um So you're a free agent signing and uh,

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Speaker 1: have to go try out? Yeah? Yeah, um it was.

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Speaker 1: like I was the bottom of them, like touching the grass.

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Speaker 1: But I think, you know, I honestly believe it was

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Speaker 1: really I mean, I know you switched from wide receiver

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Speaker 1: that immediately upon joining New Orleans? No? I actually so,

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Speaker 1: when Dan Campbell kind of approached me. He's like, hey,

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Speaker 1: read was a difficult time for you. Um at that point,

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Speaker 1: I mean you get to look forward. It's like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: have some fun, uh, Dan? Or what was your last

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Speaker 1: and I said at the top, I know it's a

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