1 00:00:04,078 --> 00:00:06,518 Speaker 1: The Book of Joe Podcast is a production of My 2 00:00:06,718 --> 00:00:14,398 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, welcome back to another episode of the 3 00:00:14,438 --> 00:00:18,958 Speaker 1: Book of Joe Podcast with me, Tom Broducci and Joe Madden. Joe, 4 00:00:18,998 --> 00:00:20,958 Speaker 1: how you doing. I'm doing well, brother, How are you? 5 00:00:22,038 --> 00:00:26,718 Speaker 1: I am great? We got the World Series back in Philadelphia, 6 00:00:27,438 --> 00:00:29,758 Speaker 1: and I know you know that well. I brought the 7 00:00:29,798 --> 00:00:34,518 Speaker 1: Tampa Tampa Bay Rays into Citizens Bank Park. Now, there's 8 00:00:34,558 --> 00:00:36,958 Speaker 1: going to be a lot of talk, Joe about home 9 00:00:36,998 --> 00:00:40,158 Speaker 1: field advantage. There always is. But the way the Phillies 10 00:00:40,198 --> 00:00:43,678 Speaker 1: are rolling at the Bank five and oh this postseason, 11 00:00:43,718 --> 00:00:47,518 Speaker 1: they have the best all time record actually in post 12 00:00:47,558 --> 00:00:50,518 Speaker 1: season play in their home ballpark, any park that's hosted 13 00:00:50,558 --> 00:00:53,398 Speaker 1: at least twenty postseason games. And we all know about 14 00:00:53,438 --> 00:00:56,718 Speaker 1: the noise level we've heard throughout this postseason. You've been there, 15 00:00:56,998 --> 00:01:00,438 Speaker 1: You've heard the crowds in that joint. Are the Astros 16 00:01:00,478 --> 00:01:03,838 Speaker 1: a team that might be bothered by it? Really is 17 00:01:03,918 --> 00:01:06,918 Speaker 1: a home field advantage from Philadelphia? Yeah, I mean I've 18 00:01:06,998 --> 00:01:10,438 Speaker 1: I've never I understand what you just said, but in baseball, 19 00:01:10,478 --> 00:01:13,158 Speaker 1: I never really thought that being away as a home 20 00:01:13,198 --> 00:01:16,318 Speaker 1: field advantage. Uh, and in such a big game, for 21 00:01:16,358 --> 00:01:18,798 Speaker 1: instance with with the Cubs, and the Indians. We go 22 00:01:18,838 --> 00:01:22,038 Speaker 1: to Cleveland, and when Game six and seven in Cleveland, 23 00:01:22,078 --> 00:01:25,718 Speaker 1: that place is pretty raucous too. I also believe Houston, 24 00:01:25,958 --> 00:01:28,798 Speaker 1: having gone through what they did over the last several years, 25 00:01:28,798 --> 00:01:30,518 Speaker 1: it's kind of a little bit hardened to all this, 26 00:01:30,638 --> 00:01:33,038 Speaker 1: I believe, because you're gonna hear stuff. I'm telling you 27 00:01:33,078 --> 00:01:35,238 Speaker 1: can hear stuff there that you have not heard anywhere else. 28 00:01:35,318 --> 00:01:37,678 Speaker 1: You've not heard it, um in a locker room, and 29 00:01:37,718 --> 00:01:39,518 Speaker 1: it's gonna come out of the stands right at you. 30 00:01:40,438 --> 00:01:42,678 Speaker 1: But I think, like I said, these players from Houston, 31 00:01:43,438 --> 00:01:45,998 Speaker 1: having gone through the scandal from a couple of years ago, 32 00:01:46,118 --> 00:01:50,078 Speaker 1: a little bit more harder than the average baseball team. Um. So, 33 00:01:50,198 --> 00:01:52,438 Speaker 1: I I don't know. I if any group is gonna 34 00:01:52,438 --> 00:01:55,518 Speaker 1: handle it, I think they can. I understand, like you said, 35 00:01:55,518 --> 00:01:59,438 Speaker 1: the record h and everything about it, but I think 36 00:01:59,438 --> 00:02:01,758 Speaker 1: they I think Houston committigate that a bit. I would 37 00:02:01,758 --> 00:02:04,118 Speaker 1: not just write them off based on that previous here 38 00:02:04,118 --> 00:02:08,638 Speaker 1: by Philadelphia. Yeah, what was your experience? And actually it 39 00:02:08,798 --> 00:02:12,958 Speaker 1: affects more families because they're in the stands than others. Uh, 40 00:02:13,158 --> 00:02:15,318 Speaker 1: in that kind of a hostile environment. Yeah, it did, 41 00:02:15,358 --> 00:02:19,118 Speaker 1: It happened, and I can't repeat what what somebody said 42 00:02:19,158 --> 00:02:21,758 Speaker 1: to my at that time seven or eight year old granddaughter, 43 00:02:21,838 --> 00:02:25,758 Speaker 1: Tyler near the ladies bathroom. It's like, you gotta be 44 00:02:25,838 --> 00:02:29,518 Speaker 1: kidding me. I was mortified. Everybody was, UM. I just 45 00:02:29,678 --> 00:02:32,238 Speaker 1: I just listened. I know it's Philadelphia. I know we're 46 00:02:32,278 --> 00:02:35,558 Speaker 1: supposed to accept the behavior a little bit more tolerant 47 00:02:35,558 --> 00:02:38,758 Speaker 1: of of demian behavior, but I really don't believe it's 48 00:02:39,758 --> 00:02:42,238 Speaker 1: that's an excuse. That's not a good enough excuse. I 49 00:02:42,278 --> 00:02:45,718 Speaker 1: would listen, have have a blast, please, I have as 50 00:02:45,758 --> 00:02:47,998 Speaker 1: much fun as you possibly can. But really, when it 51 00:02:48,038 --> 00:02:52,198 Speaker 1: comes down to assaulting verbally the other team's group, it 52 00:02:52,278 --> 00:02:54,598 Speaker 1: really gets out of control. And I really that's not 53 00:02:54,638 --> 00:02:56,918 Speaker 1: I don't think it's ever gonna change. It's nobody's gonna 54 00:02:56,918 --> 00:02:59,238 Speaker 1: listen to This obviously actually sets uping in the papers 55 00:03:00,078 --> 00:03:03,598 Speaker 1: after that incident with Tyler in in Philadelphia. But go there, 56 00:03:03,638 --> 00:03:06,038 Speaker 1: have a great time, enjoy your Phillies are a great 57 00:03:06,038 --> 00:03:09,118 Speaker 1: ball club. The city has a great tradition, and I 58 00:03:09,158 --> 00:03:11,438 Speaker 1: really do like Philadelphia, but I just wish that they 59 00:03:11,438 --> 00:03:14,078 Speaker 1: would behave a little bit more civilly when it comes 60 00:03:14,118 --> 00:03:18,318 Speaker 1: to just confronting the opposition. Fans and families in this 61 00:03:18,558 --> 00:03:21,398 Speaker 1: in the stands. By the way, were those games in 62 00:03:21,478 --> 00:03:25,518 Speaker 1: Philadelphia at the World Series. Um, the debut of those 63 00:03:25,598 --> 00:03:29,878 Speaker 1: Elmer Fudd baseball caps. I mean it was wow. If 64 00:03:29,918 --> 00:03:33,598 Speaker 1: anybody doesn't remember those, the rays of wearing these caps 65 00:03:33,638 --> 00:03:36,358 Speaker 1: that had basically ear must attached to them. It looked 66 00:03:36,398 --> 00:03:39,118 Speaker 1: like the old Elmer Fudd hunting caps. I thought it 67 00:03:39,198 --> 00:03:43,358 Speaker 1: was a major breakthrough the history of baseball fashion. And 68 00:03:43,438 --> 00:03:47,278 Speaker 1: Joe Madden as always at the forefront. Yeah, I think 69 00:03:47,318 --> 00:03:49,078 Speaker 1: they knew I would do it, you know, and and 70 00:03:49,118 --> 00:03:51,318 Speaker 1: so I got us in. Man, I love these hats. 71 00:03:51,398 --> 00:03:53,838 Speaker 1: And then during the game, Joe Buck was interviewed me 72 00:03:53,918 --> 00:03:55,118 Speaker 1: during the game and I had the hat on, and 73 00:03:55,118 --> 00:03:57,438 Speaker 1: of course show was hammering on that. But I think 74 00:03:57,518 --> 00:04:00,038 Speaker 1: eventually it's made its way to Cooperstown. From what I understand, 75 00:04:00,078 --> 00:04:03,518 Speaker 1: I think the hat is there in some obscure glass case. 76 00:04:04,238 --> 00:04:07,798 Speaker 1: Warm absolutely necessary at that time. You know. We now 77 00:04:07,838 --> 00:04:10,798 Speaker 1: we have the more of the conventional little stocking cap, 78 00:04:10,918 --> 00:04:13,638 Speaker 1: the dinkies that we call them back home. But yeah, 79 00:04:14,238 --> 00:04:17,878 Speaker 1: it was. It was very beneficial, remember the weather at 80 00:04:17,918 --> 00:04:22,438 Speaker 1: that time, very beneficial under the circumstances. Right, And here's 81 00:04:22,718 --> 00:04:25,398 Speaker 1: you know, one logistical thing that may come into play 82 00:04:25,438 --> 00:04:28,158 Speaker 1: with the crowd noise, you know. Nowadays these teams use 83 00:04:28,278 --> 00:04:32,638 Speaker 1: the pitch coom device. It's electronic device where the catcher 84 00:04:32,678 --> 00:04:35,238 Speaker 1: can signal of pitches to the not just the picture 85 00:04:35,318 --> 00:04:38,318 Speaker 1: by the way, um, but the middle infielders also have 86 00:04:38,718 --> 00:04:41,838 Speaker 1: a headset. It's basically a speaker embedded in their cap 87 00:04:41,838 --> 00:04:44,358 Speaker 1: where they can hear the signs that are given to 88 00:04:44,358 --> 00:04:47,278 Speaker 1: the picture. It's important obviously for the middle infielders to 89 00:04:47,318 --> 00:04:51,078 Speaker 1: know whether it's an off speed pitch or fastball coming well. 90 00:04:51,198 --> 00:04:54,918 Speaker 1: During the year and most playoff games, even the shortstop 91 00:04:54,958 --> 00:04:58,718 Speaker 1: second basement will have the volume set at twelve on 92 00:04:58,758 --> 00:05:01,758 Speaker 1: a scale from one to twenty. That's pretty loud, right, 93 00:05:02,718 --> 00:05:06,278 Speaker 1: And Bryson st the Philly shortstops said in the games 94 00:05:06,318 --> 00:05:08,558 Speaker 1: there he's cranked it all the way up to twenty. 95 00:05:09,278 --> 00:05:11,958 Speaker 1: So how about that. Yeah, I mean it's it's it's 96 00:05:11,958 --> 00:05:13,998 Speaker 1: a different environment. I mean not listen. I've been in 97 00:05:14,038 --> 00:05:17,478 Speaker 1: a lot of loud places and the Philly fans they 98 00:05:17,518 --> 00:05:19,758 Speaker 1: bring it, of course they do. And that's interesting to 99 00:05:19,798 --> 00:05:22,798 Speaker 1: hear that. I didn't realize about the volume levels. Um. 100 00:05:23,118 --> 00:05:25,238 Speaker 1: It has to be done because in the past, obviously 101 00:05:25,278 --> 00:05:27,718 Speaker 1: giving signs the middle and fielders can see what the 102 00:05:27,758 --> 00:05:30,398 Speaker 1: sign was. They knew what the sign first signs of, 103 00:05:30,598 --> 00:05:32,878 Speaker 1: you know, first sign, after two whatever it might have been, 104 00:05:33,198 --> 00:05:35,118 Speaker 1: and they knew what pitch was coming. They could relay. 105 00:05:35,158 --> 00:05:38,758 Speaker 1: And also, um, it really benefits corner in fielders because 106 00:05:38,758 --> 00:05:40,438 Speaker 1: they need to know what's coming to and some teams 107 00:05:40,438 --> 00:05:43,638 Speaker 1: are better at relaying side to their corner guys. A 108 00:05:43,638 --> 00:05:46,918 Speaker 1: lot of time came from the catcher, primarily Yati ex 109 00:05:46,918 --> 00:05:48,918 Speaker 1: give me Malina did a great job in St. Louis's 110 00:05:48,998 --> 00:05:51,598 Speaker 1: corner guys always I knew if it was gonna be soft, 111 00:05:51,598 --> 00:05:53,478 Speaker 1: there's gonna be a fastball whatever. They knew which side 112 00:05:53,518 --> 00:05:56,638 Speaker 1: the lean to. So yeah, it's it's necessary, and I 113 00:05:56,638 --> 00:05:59,198 Speaker 1: think the center fielders that all the guys could actually 114 00:05:59,358 --> 00:06:01,918 Speaker 1: I think tune in and find out exactly what's going on. 115 00:06:02,198 --> 00:06:05,318 Speaker 1: The only center fielder I've ever had told me he 116 00:06:05,318 --> 00:06:07,758 Speaker 1: could see the signs with Jimmy Edmonds. Jimmy could actually 117 00:06:08,198 --> 00:06:10,918 Speaker 1: see a catcher signs and move accordingly. His eyes were 118 00:06:10,958 --> 00:06:14,678 Speaker 1: that good. But yeah, that just does indicate how loud 119 00:06:14,758 --> 00:06:17,958 Speaker 1: that ballpark is. I've been in some dome stadiums man 120 00:06:17,998 --> 00:06:20,158 Speaker 1: that you know, like Seattle. Back in the day, we 121 00:06:20,238 --> 00:06:22,238 Speaker 1: had a big playoff game there, one gamer with the 122 00:06:23,038 --> 00:06:25,238 Speaker 1: Mariners in the Kingdom. Wow. I mean you can't even 123 00:06:25,318 --> 00:06:27,318 Speaker 1: talk to the person next to you. The same thing 124 00:06:28,038 --> 00:06:30,078 Speaker 1: at the Metrodome. We had some playoff games in the 125 00:06:30,118 --> 00:06:33,198 Speaker 1: Metrodome and you gotta yell at the person standing next 126 00:06:33,198 --> 00:06:35,678 Speaker 1: to you just to hear what the other person is saying. 127 00:06:35,718 --> 00:06:39,118 Speaker 1: So there's that. It's no different in football. Football has 128 00:06:39,158 --> 00:06:42,278 Speaker 1: to work on different methods in order to get the 129 00:06:42,318 --> 00:06:44,718 Speaker 1: snap count right, but it gets loud and it can 130 00:06:44,838 --> 00:06:47,998 Speaker 1: be advantageous. Yeah, I'm glad you brought up the Metrodome 131 00:06:48,038 --> 00:06:50,598 Speaker 1: because I often get asked, you know, what's the loudest 132 00:06:50,678 --> 00:06:52,998 Speaker 1: venue you've been in for a baseball game? And going 133 00:06:53,038 --> 00:06:58,238 Speaker 1: back to those post seasons at the Metrodome, there was 134 00:06:58,318 --> 00:07:00,918 Speaker 1: nothing louder. I mean listen that there are a lot 135 00:07:00,958 --> 00:07:03,878 Speaker 1: of people in there, and with that teflon roof they 136 00:07:03,998 --> 00:07:07,958 Speaker 1: had their the sound would just reverberate. And you walked 137 00:07:07,998 --> 00:07:09,598 Speaker 1: out of there after a three and a half hour 138 00:07:09,718 --> 00:07:11,758 Speaker 1: game and it's like you were at an A C. 139 00:07:11,998 --> 00:07:14,718 Speaker 1: D C. Concert For three and a half hours. Your 140 00:07:14,758 --> 00:07:17,918 Speaker 1: ears literally were ringing. I'll never forget one of my 141 00:07:17,958 --> 00:07:20,278 Speaker 1: favorite stories about how a lot it was in the Metrodome. 142 00:07:20,358 --> 00:07:22,678 Speaker 1: They had the bullpens on the field down the lines, 143 00:07:23,558 --> 00:07:27,718 Speaker 1: and the bullpen catcher had to literally keep his foot 144 00:07:27,798 --> 00:07:31,838 Speaker 1: on the telephone to feel it ring because he couldn't 145 00:07:31,958 --> 00:07:35,158 Speaker 1: hear it ring, and because the noise was so constant. 146 00:07:35,238 --> 00:07:38,478 Speaker 1: So you know, listen, I agree with you, Joe. Generally, 147 00:07:38,598 --> 00:07:41,558 Speaker 1: the home field in baseball not huge. It's like a 148 00:07:41,598 --> 00:07:44,318 Speaker 1: fifty two percent edge. You know. Football, I think it 149 00:07:44,358 --> 00:07:46,918 Speaker 1: can affect play and snap counts and things like that. 150 00:07:47,518 --> 00:07:50,038 Speaker 1: I'm not sure it's going to affect the Houston Astros, 151 00:07:50,158 --> 00:07:52,758 Speaker 1: but man, it's a fun environment. When places get rocking 152 00:07:52,878 --> 00:07:55,638 Speaker 1: like that, it's great. And that's why you get to this. 153 00:07:55,838 --> 00:07:57,118 Speaker 1: You want to get to this point in the year. 154 00:07:57,118 --> 00:07:58,478 Speaker 1: Of course, you want to win it all. You want 155 00:07:58,478 --> 00:08:00,998 Speaker 1: to be part of the the last game of the 156 00:08:01,038 --> 00:08:03,238 Speaker 1: season and win it. But I mean, it is it's 157 00:08:03,278 --> 00:08:06,238 Speaker 1: it's excite eating Um. There's no way anybody's gonna be 158 00:08:06,318 --> 00:08:08,518 Speaker 1: like down. I mean, you're not gonna be intimidated. These 159 00:08:08,518 --> 00:08:10,598 Speaker 1: guys are not going to be intimidated by it. They're 160 00:08:10,638 --> 00:08:13,238 Speaker 1: just gonna have to get used to a little bit. Heay. 161 00:08:13,238 --> 00:08:15,958 Speaker 1: When you line up on the on the line, Uh, 162 00:08:15,998 --> 00:08:18,838 Speaker 1: when you're getting introduced before the first game. Everybody's got 163 00:08:18,878 --> 00:08:22,158 Speaker 1: that butterfly effect. That's great, and I've always was concerned 164 00:08:22,158 --> 00:08:24,758 Speaker 1: that if I didn't have it, Wow, there's something wrong 165 00:08:24,798 --> 00:08:26,878 Speaker 1: with me right now. I didn't like my my mental 166 00:08:26,998 --> 00:08:29,878 Speaker 1: edge at that particular point. So you gotta walk out there. 167 00:08:30,198 --> 00:08:32,918 Speaker 1: You kind of look calm, but you're not. You're looking 168 00:08:32,918 --> 00:08:35,358 Speaker 1: out over the entire event and you're looking at the 169 00:08:35,398 --> 00:08:38,198 Speaker 1: other team. You're on the line, and somebody's going to 170 00:08:38,278 --> 00:08:42,518 Speaker 1: national anthem, and uh, it's a it's a really spectacular moment. 171 00:08:42,558 --> 00:08:44,958 Speaker 1: And there's a lot of emotion internally, motion going on 172 00:08:44,998 --> 00:08:48,238 Speaker 1: regarding how I got here. All that's part of this night. 173 00:08:48,318 --> 00:08:50,838 Speaker 1: But you do get over it rather quickly and you 174 00:08:50,878 --> 00:08:54,358 Speaker 1: move on to the first pitch. And how deliciously ironic 175 00:08:54,518 --> 00:08:56,958 Speaker 1: is it that one reason we're in this pitch calm 176 00:08:57,038 --> 00:09:00,918 Speaker 1: era with this device to signal battery pitches to the 177 00:09:00,918 --> 00:09:04,238 Speaker 1: picture is because of the youth and astros. Let's face it, right, 178 00:09:04,278 --> 00:09:08,478 Speaker 1: the signs dealing scandal of ten. They're using live television 179 00:09:08,518 --> 00:09:11,118 Speaker 1: feeds to to get the signs and relay them to 180 00:09:11,158 --> 00:09:12,878 Speaker 1: the hitters. And we went through a couple of years 181 00:09:12,918 --> 00:09:15,838 Speaker 1: where everybody was paranoid about runners on second base stealing 182 00:09:15,918 --> 00:09:19,158 Speaker 1: signs and signaling them. And this was the answer. And 183 00:09:19,238 --> 00:09:21,798 Speaker 1: it came a lot faster than Baseball thought. They gave 184 00:09:21,838 --> 00:09:23,878 Speaker 1: it to teams and you probably did, Joe in spring 185 00:09:23,918 --> 00:09:26,358 Speaker 1: training this year. Try it out and see what it's like. 186 00:09:26,438 --> 00:09:29,038 Speaker 1: They had no idea that teams so quickly we're going 187 00:09:29,078 --> 00:09:31,438 Speaker 1: to say, yeah, we like it. And and it really 188 00:09:31,558 --> 00:09:33,998 Speaker 1: from opening day for a lot of teams was the 189 00:09:34,078 --> 00:09:36,118 Speaker 1: go to a way in the old school way of 190 00:09:36,318 --> 00:09:40,078 Speaker 1: traditionally putting those fingers down from the catcher to the picture. Um, 191 00:09:40,078 --> 00:09:43,278 Speaker 1: it's been gone and it's something. Actually theo Epstein was 192 00:09:43,318 --> 00:09:45,718 Speaker 1: the one who introduced this idea of it. It's actually 193 00:09:45,718 --> 00:09:49,958 Speaker 1: based on bone conduction technology, where when you you press 194 00:09:50,038 --> 00:09:52,598 Speaker 1: this bone or you pressed this level or that, the 195 00:09:52,638 --> 00:09:55,598 Speaker 1: signal is transmitted and the bones in your skull pick 196 00:09:55,678 --> 00:09:57,958 Speaker 1: up the vibration. And that's how you quote unquote here 197 00:09:58,038 --> 00:10:01,358 Speaker 1: it And he actually got it from the world of magic. 198 00:10:01,838 --> 00:10:05,918 Speaker 1: I don't want to burst anybody's bubble. What the magicians 199 00:10:05,998 --> 00:10:08,958 Speaker 1: can get some you know, some things done by having 200 00:10:08,958 --> 00:10:11,758 Speaker 1: somebody relay information to them inside you know, I had 201 00:10:11,918 --> 00:10:14,238 Speaker 1: or a wig or whatever it is. But there you go, 202 00:10:14,358 --> 00:10:18,478 Speaker 1: here we are with technology replacing sign stealing that the 203 00:10:18,518 --> 00:10:22,278 Speaker 1: astros get in trouble with. Interesting. You know, in spring 204 00:10:22,318 --> 00:10:24,838 Speaker 1: training this last year, had a hard time convincing everybody 205 00:10:24,838 --> 00:10:27,278 Speaker 1: to try it because I didn't really know what I 206 00:10:27,278 --> 00:10:29,318 Speaker 1: didn't understand it when it first when I was first 207 00:10:29,358 --> 00:10:32,598 Speaker 1: introduced to it myself. But I thought that there's a 208 00:10:32,678 --> 00:10:34,118 Speaker 1: lot of benefit to this. I mean, one of the 209 00:10:34,118 --> 00:10:36,438 Speaker 1: things you're trying to do a sexpedite the game, and 210 00:10:36,478 --> 00:10:39,958 Speaker 1: like you suggest that the sign stealing got and everybody 211 00:10:40,038 --> 00:10:42,958 Speaker 1: said everybody was paranoid about it. So you're doing these 212 00:10:43,638 --> 00:10:46,278 Speaker 1: really elaborate methods and it really took a lot of 213 00:10:46,318 --> 00:10:49,438 Speaker 1: time up in pre series meetings just talking about how 214 00:10:49,478 --> 00:10:53,318 Speaker 1: you're gonna devise or secure your science going into the game. 215 00:10:54,158 --> 00:10:56,438 Speaker 1: So I liked it for that reason a lot. But 216 00:10:56,438 --> 00:10:59,678 Speaker 1: I'm telling you there's some old school guys in camp, 217 00:10:59,758 --> 00:11:02,998 Speaker 1: catchers and pitchers both. I don't really want to do this. 218 00:11:03,198 --> 00:11:04,478 Speaker 1: I still want to do it the way we had 219 00:11:04,558 --> 00:11:06,558 Speaker 1: done it. I said, that's fine, but just just do 220 00:11:06,638 --> 00:11:09,078 Speaker 1: me one favorite. Just try like even in a bullpen session. 221 00:11:09,638 --> 00:11:12,198 Speaker 1: Where did the bullpen session with your picture and see 222 00:11:12,238 --> 00:11:15,278 Speaker 1: what you guys think after that? And kind of, uh, 223 00:11:15,358 --> 00:11:17,358 Speaker 1: it kind of broke the edges a little bit more 224 00:11:17,438 --> 00:11:19,598 Speaker 1: quickly that way, and guys started getting into it. And 225 00:11:19,638 --> 00:11:22,078 Speaker 1: of course now it's why they accept that it was 226 00:11:22,118 --> 00:11:24,558 Speaker 1: really good idea for a lot of different reasons. And 227 00:11:24,798 --> 00:11:27,278 Speaker 1: one of them might think is the expeditious component. Yeah, 228 00:11:27,358 --> 00:11:29,158 Speaker 1: that's been a great benefit to it and has. One 229 00:11:29,238 --> 00:11:32,238 Speaker 1: pitching coach told me, if you're not using pitch calm 230 00:11:32,318 --> 00:11:35,918 Speaker 1: with a guy on second base, you're at a competitive disadvantage. 231 00:11:36,078 --> 00:11:38,678 Speaker 1: You can't steal the signs from pitch calm, but you 232 00:11:38,758 --> 00:11:42,678 Speaker 1: can from second base on the traditional ones. Hey, when 233 00:11:42,678 --> 00:11:45,918 Speaker 1: we get back, we're gonna talk about what really to me, Joe, 234 00:11:45,958 --> 00:11:47,918 Speaker 1: and I'm going to get your thoughts on this Game 235 00:11:48,078 --> 00:11:50,118 Speaker 1: three of a seven game series. A lot of times 236 00:11:50,158 --> 00:11:53,158 Speaker 1: that's the big swing game and the guy getting the 237 00:11:53,198 --> 00:11:56,078 Speaker 1: ball for the Philadelphia Phillies, and this big swing game, 238 00:11:56,358 --> 00:11:59,198 Speaker 1: it's a guy that Joe Madden had this year start 239 00:11:59,278 --> 00:12:08,118 Speaker 1: the season. We'll talk about that next. Welcome Back to 240 00:12:08,158 --> 00:12:11,158 Speaker 1: the Book of Joe podcast. Game three World Series, Joe, 241 00:12:11,198 --> 00:12:15,798 Speaker 1: I'd never forget what Joe Torrey told me. His Game 242 00:12:15,838 --> 00:12:20,438 Speaker 1: three starter in Atlanta was David Cone and the New 243 00:12:20,518 --> 00:12:22,838 Speaker 1: York Yankees. They didn't plan on it, but they went 244 00:12:22,878 --> 00:12:25,278 Speaker 1: there down to oh they lost two games at home 245 00:12:25,438 --> 00:12:27,798 Speaker 1: to open the nineties six World Series. He had set 246 00:12:27,878 --> 00:12:31,358 Speaker 1: up his rotation to have a veteran like David khne 247 00:12:31,438 --> 00:12:33,718 Speaker 1: knew he wouldn't be coward in a big spot on 248 00:12:33,758 --> 00:12:37,038 Speaker 1: the road, whether they were up, down, tied, whatever, um, 249 00:12:37,238 --> 00:12:40,358 Speaker 1: and it certainly worked in their favor. So Game three tonight, 250 00:12:40,438 --> 00:12:44,478 Speaker 1: series tied, big swing game. It's Noah Syndergard on the mound. 251 00:12:45,038 --> 00:12:47,598 Speaker 1: You had him this year with the Angels. What are 252 00:12:47,638 --> 00:12:49,638 Speaker 1: your thoughts on Noah getting the ball in this spot? 253 00:12:49,918 --> 00:12:52,718 Speaker 1: I love the tory analytical method there is opposed to 254 00:12:52,758 --> 00:12:55,718 Speaker 1: the actual but I mean, I think that's great. Um, 255 00:12:55,798 --> 00:12:57,998 Speaker 1: that's something that a veteran manager would think about. I 256 00:12:58,318 --> 00:13:02,758 Speaker 1: get it. Noah a big fan. UH little background. Noah 257 00:13:02,758 --> 00:13:07,278 Speaker 1: and I share a real deep appreciation for Topo Chico 258 00:13:07,638 --> 00:13:10,638 Speaker 1: mineral water. So when I got to spring training, he 259 00:13:10,918 --> 00:13:13,118 Speaker 1: came to my office and we sat down him and 260 00:13:13,198 --> 00:13:14,958 Speaker 1: we each had a Topo Chico and I got to 261 00:13:14,998 --> 00:13:19,678 Speaker 1: know him better. Really an interesting fellow he is. He's 262 00:13:19,798 --> 00:13:24,038 Speaker 1: very bright, he's very introspective, he thinks a lot. Uh, 263 00:13:24,078 --> 00:13:25,958 Speaker 1: and I like him. I like him. So anyway, we 264 00:13:25,998 --> 00:13:27,358 Speaker 1: get him there. And I saw him when he was 265 00:13:27,398 --> 00:13:31,678 Speaker 1: like really thor back in the day with the mats, 266 00:13:31,678 --> 00:13:34,358 Speaker 1: with the big basketball. He didn't have the big, big, 267 00:13:34,398 --> 00:13:37,318 Speaker 1: biggest fastball this year, but I still had enough, plenty 268 00:13:37,478 --> 00:13:39,878 Speaker 1: plenty of like ninety four and a half, a lot 269 00:13:39,878 --> 00:13:42,478 Speaker 1: of ninety five. And I like this fastball. The thing 270 00:13:42,598 --> 00:13:45,958 Speaker 1: I excuse me, I really like about him. I really 271 00:13:45,998 --> 00:13:48,678 Speaker 1: like the sinker. I like a sinker a lot. I 272 00:13:48,718 --> 00:13:51,198 Speaker 1: like a sinker, and I like this changeup. And his 273 00:13:51,278 --> 00:13:53,318 Speaker 1: slider is a good pitch. The breaking ball whatever is 274 00:13:53,318 --> 00:13:55,438 Speaker 1: a very good pitch. But he could put the ball 275 00:13:55,438 --> 00:13:58,398 Speaker 1: in the ground if you're playing good defense behind him, 276 00:13:58,438 --> 00:14:00,878 Speaker 1: he could really he could get two outs with one pitch. 277 00:14:01,358 --> 00:14:03,918 Speaker 1: And I think his change up is a really underestimate 278 00:14:03,918 --> 00:14:05,398 Speaker 1: at at pitch, and if he's got that going on, 279 00:14:05,438 --> 00:14:08,318 Speaker 1: it could really help versus the left handed hitter. The 280 00:14:08,398 --> 00:14:10,678 Speaker 1: breaking ball I like, uh, I think you can get 281 00:14:10,718 --> 00:14:12,918 Speaker 1: in trouble with that sometimes he really needs to make 282 00:14:12,958 --> 00:14:16,158 Speaker 1: it a strike ball, unless of course it's the first 283 00:14:16,198 --> 00:14:20,198 Speaker 1: pitch sometimes, but I think that you know, the fastball 284 00:14:20,278 --> 00:14:23,158 Speaker 1: number isn't large, but when he's locating and getting it 285 00:14:23,198 --> 00:14:24,918 Speaker 1: down to the point where he wants, it's gonna be 286 00:14:24,958 --> 00:14:27,518 Speaker 1: on the ground. And again, the changeup is a better 287 00:14:27,558 --> 00:14:30,398 Speaker 1: pitch than I think he's given credit for. So makeup 288 00:14:30,478 --> 00:14:33,918 Speaker 1: is outstanding. Um, he's not going to be I don't think. 289 00:14:33,918 --> 00:14:35,918 Speaker 1: I mean everybody's impacted a little bit, maybe the first 290 00:14:35,958 --> 00:14:39,158 Speaker 1: couple of pitches, but he's gonna be fine. And I'm curious. 291 00:14:39,158 --> 00:14:40,998 Speaker 1: I mean the number. I guess he's only thrown up 292 00:14:40,998 --> 00:14:43,958 Speaker 1: the three and he said maybe right around forty pitches 293 00:14:44,038 --> 00:14:46,398 Speaker 1: most recently, So there's gonna be a concern about that. 294 00:14:46,478 --> 00:14:49,558 Speaker 1: And you're definitely going to see a bullpen up early. Uh, 295 00:14:49,798 --> 00:14:51,398 Speaker 1: you know the way Robb, he's doing this whole thing. 296 00:14:51,438 --> 00:14:54,038 Speaker 1: Though if he like cruises the first two or three things, 297 00:14:54,038 --> 00:14:55,638 Speaker 1: he might even try to get foo out of him. 298 00:14:55,638 --> 00:14:58,078 Speaker 1: It depends what part of the batting goods coming up. 299 00:14:58,118 --> 00:15:00,638 Speaker 1: But um, I like the idea of him pitching then 300 00:15:00,758 --> 00:15:02,558 Speaker 1: that I'm eager to watch him pitch. But that's who 301 00:15:02,638 --> 00:15:05,718 Speaker 1: he is. He's Uh, he's a three pitch guy and 302 00:15:05,758 --> 00:15:07,278 Speaker 1: he can put the ball on the ground and that 303 00:15:07,438 --> 00:15:09,878 Speaker 1: always has beneficial in a big moment. Yeah, I like 304 00:15:09,918 --> 00:15:12,158 Speaker 1: what you said about his changeup, and you know it's 305 00:15:12,198 --> 00:15:15,038 Speaker 1: probably a better pitch than most people think. But he's 306 00:15:15,078 --> 00:15:17,118 Speaker 1: got a line up tonight with just two left handed 307 00:15:17,198 --> 00:15:19,918 Speaker 1: hitters in it in Alvarez and Tucker, so he's not 308 00:15:19,958 --> 00:15:22,878 Speaker 1: going to feature that against right handed hitters. So the key, 309 00:15:22,958 --> 00:15:25,398 Speaker 1: once again, Joe I said this coming into the series 310 00:15:25,438 --> 00:15:28,598 Speaker 1: for Rob Thompson, the pivot point in this game is 311 00:15:28,638 --> 00:15:31,718 Speaker 1: always going to be when the runway with Alvarez and 312 00:15:31,758 --> 00:15:35,158 Speaker 1: Tucker comes around again. There's only two left handed hitters 313 00:15:35,158 --> 00:15:40,718 Speaker 1: in that lineup, but they're both extremely dangerous, and I 314 00:15:40,758 --> 00:15:43,518 Speaker 1: think the key tonight is going to be when Syndegard, 315 00:15:43,758 --> 00:15:47,198 Speaker 1: if he's still in there, comes around to Alvarez again, 316 00:15:47,758 --> 00:15:51,478 Speaker 1: and then where does Rob Thompson go. Now, again, there's 317 00:15:51,518 --> 00:15:53,318 Speaker 1: not a lot of length from Syndegard, even in the 318 00:15:53,358 --> 00:15:55,878 Speaker 1: best case scenario, but that's that's an earlier hook. If 319 00:15:55,918 --> 00:15:58,878 Speaker 1: you're talking about facing eleven or twelve batters, he may 320 00:15:58,918 --> 00:16:01,198 Speaker 1: have to do that. The question is where does he go. 321 00:16:01,478 --> 00:16:05,718 Speaker 1: He doesn't have Rangers Swarez available in the bullpen tonight. 322 00:16:05,758 --> 00:16:09,038 Speaker 1: He's his Game four starter, so he can't play the 323 00:16:09,078 --> 00:16:11,918 Speaker 1: same kind of matchups he did in Game one. That 324 00:16:11,998 --> 00:16:16,798 Speaker 1: perhaps brings Brad Hand into play against the Alvarez, Tucker Runway, 325 00:16:17,278 --> 00:16:20,318 Speaker 1: he hasn't really been on point with his breaking stuff, 326 00:16:20,358 --> 00:16:22,998 Speaker 1: and he throws a ton of them. So it's a 327 00:16:22,998 --> 00:16:25,478 Speaker 1: little bit of a quandary for Rob Thompson. Maybe he 328 00:16:25,558 --> 00:16:29,438 Speaker 1: goes to Brogden or Balladi, you know, go right against 329 00:16:29,518 --> 00:16:32,918 Speaker 1: left um. But this is one of the fascinating setups 330 00:16:32,918 --> 00:16:35,118 Speaker 1: to this series, I think is when and Joe, you've 331 00:16:35,158 --> 00:16:36,718 Speaker 1: been here, when you get to the middle games of 332 00:16:36,758 --> 00:16:39,918 Speaker 1: the series, you're playing three straight games, and you can't 333 00:16:40,078 --> 00:16:43,758 Speaker 1: use your your leverage guys too early when you face 334 00:16:43,918 --> 00:16:46,718 Speaker 1: games three, four and five. The thing about that, in 335 00:16:46,758 --> 00:16:49,078 Speaker 1: particular to Alvarez, I mean, it'd be hard to get 336 00:16:49,118 --> 00:16:51,598 Speaker 1: him warmed up during an inning, trying to count on 337 00:16:51,598 --> 00:16:54,398 Speaker 1: the fact that here comes Harper, excuse me, here it 338 00:16:54,398 --> 00:16:58,558 Speaker 1: comes Tucker, or uh, I'll rise in in a key 339 00:16:58,598 --> 00:17:01,438 Speaker 1: moment and and then not get to that point. So 340 00:17:01,438 --> 00:17:02,958 Speaker 1: you warm them up and sit him down. So it's 341 00:17:02,958 --> 00:17:05,798 Speaker 1: almost like he would have started inning in order to 342 00:17:06,638 --> 00:17:09,878 Speaker 1: really be comfortable warming him up and putting him in 343 00:17:09,918 --> 00:17:12,878 Speaker 1: the game. Hand. On the other hand, uh, if you 344 00:17:12,958 --> 00:17:14,638 Speaker 1: warm them up and he had to sit down, that 345 00:17:14,678 --> 00:17:16,638 Speaker 1: would be okay. So I think in the early part 346 00:17:16,678 --> 00:17:20,638 Speaker 1: of the game. Wow, unless it's like absolutely apparent that 347 00:17:21,438 --> 00:17:23,638 Speaker 1: the left of the others is going to pitch against 348 00:17:23,718 --> 00:17:28,158 Speaker 1: the right guys starting in any that might be more 349 00:17:28,238 --> 00:17:30,318 Speaker 1: amenable to them. But again, if you have to warm 350 00:17:30,398 --> 00:17:32,998 Speaker 1: somebody up and not get to him possibly and to 351 00:17:33,078 --> 00:17:36,838 Speaker 1: have him sit down, that's not as comforting. So it's 352 00:17:36,878 --> 00:17:39,598 Speaker 1: hard to get him like in a fourth enning possibly, 353 00:17:39,798 --> 00:17:42,958 Speaker 1: I think they might come up with plan B in 354 00:17:43,078 --> 00:17:44,678 Speaker 1: order to get him at least to the sixth inning 355 00:17:44,718 --> 00:17:46,118 Speaker 1: of it came up at that point, it's a little 356 00:17:46,118 --> 00:17:48,038 Speaker 1: bit more tasty. But if you have to do it 357 00:17:48,078 --> 00:17:51,078 Speaker 1: early on and you miss your mark just because maybe 358 00:17:51,078 --> 00:17:54,118 Speaker 1: a double playball happens, who knows um. So you have 359 00:17:54,158 --> 00:17:55,638 Speaker 1: to be a little bit more careful with that because 360 00:17:55,678 --> 00:17:57,238 Speaker 1: you don't want to warm a guy like that up 361 00:17:57,238 --> 00:17:59,958 Speaker 1: and have him sit down where you're not as concerned 362 00:18:00,318 --> 00:18:02,758 Speaker 1: with warming hand up and having him sit down. Hey, 363 00:18:02,798 --> 00:18:05,398 Speaker 1: And speaking of Synderguard, I remember in spring training this 364 00:18:05,518 --> 00:18:08,798 Speaker 1: year Joe Marcel Latchman got his eyes on Noah synder Garden. 365 00:18:08,838 --> 00:18:11,958 Speaker 1: He figured something out with his the way he left 366 00:18:11,958 --> 00:18:14,278 Speaker 1: the rubber. Noah used to be a guy with the 367 00:18:14,318 --> 00:18:16,838 Speaker 1: back foot. He kind of dragged that foot off the rubber, 368 00:18:16,838 --> 00:18:18,958 Speaker 1: and it was more of Marcell got him out on 369 00:18:18,998 --> 00:18:22,918 Speaker 1: his front side, maybe picking that rub foot off the rubber. Um. 370 00:18:22,958 --> 00:18:25,438 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if Noah really followed through and stayed 371 00:18:25,478 --> 00:18:28,758 Speaker 1: with that, but give me an idea of a guy 372 00:18:28,838 --> 00:18:31,758 Speaker 1: like Marcel Latchman, the kind of wisdom that he has 373 00:18:32,358 --> 00:18:35,358 Speaker 1: um And obviously he's reacting not to any kind of data, 374 00:18:35,438 --> 00:18:37,718 Speaker 1: he's reacting to what he sees. And the value of 375 00:18:37,758 --> 00:18:41,638 Speaker 1: those kind of coaches invaluable, invaluable, um, you know. The 376 00:18:42,038 --> 00:18:44,318 Speaker 1: that's the more difficult thing to do, especially during the 377 00:18:44,358 --> 00:18:46,158 Speaker 1: course of the game, is to be able to pick 378 00:18:46,238 --> 00:18:48,878 Speaker 1: up on a flaw. Marcel was talking about turning his 379 00:18:48,918 --> 00:18:51,358 Speaker 1: back heel over. That's something we got from Bob clear 380 00:18:51,398 --> 00:18:53,598 Speaker 1: back in the day. When you get your back heel 381 00:18:53,678 --> 00:18:56,118 Speaker 1: over like to the sky, that that really grounds you 382 00:18:56,158 --> 00:18:58,118 Speaker 1: on the back side and then you kind of your 383 00:18:58,118 --> 00:19:00,278 Speaker 1: foot acting your Tosha drag before it picks up and 384 00:19:00,318 --> 00:19:03,078 Speaker 1: comes around. And that's what he saw with him. Sometimes 385 00:19:03,078 --> 00:19:05,518 Speaker 1: guys leave the rubber too soon and you don't have 386 00:19:05,558 --> 00:19:07,718 Speaker 1: that stability on your backside and you kind of loose 387 00:19:07,798 --> 00:19:11,198 Speaker 1: maybe your command with it. So that's that's what Marcel 388 00:19:11,358 --> 00:19:15,278 Speaker 1: was talking about I. I want a pitching coach that 389 00:19:15,318 --> 00:19:18,118 Speaker 1: can help make adjustments on the flight. Another guy was 390 00:19:18,118 --> 00:19:20,718 Speaker 1: good at that was Joe Coleman Jr. Was really good 391 00:19:20,758 --> 00:19:24,638 Speaker 1: at picking up flaws in the momentum he was outsideing. 392 00:19:24,838 --> 00:19:27,598 Speaker 1: Mr Paul dick Pole was another guy. I've had some 393 00:19:27,638 --> 00:19:31,758 Speaker 1: really good pitching coaches in my past, But Marcel, you 394 00:19:31,758 --> 00:19:33,998 Speaker 1: could talk to almost any guy that he that's that 395 00:19:34,198 --> 00:19:36,918 Speaker 1: worked or played for him, and any coach that's been 396 00:19:36,918 --> 00:19:39,158 Speaker 1: around him, you know, since I've been doing this in 397 00:19:39,278 --> 00:19:42,678 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty or so, he's he's the best. He still is, Uh, 398 00:19:42,998 --> 00:19:46,758 Speaker 1: Marcel and nice day in touch, real closely, um um. 399 00:19:46,918 --> 00:19:50,158 Speaker 1: And I just loved being around the guy. And and 400 00:19:50,318 --> 00:19:52,758 Speaker 1: he's so gosh. I mean, you talked about a truth teller. 401 00:19:52,878 --> 00:19:54,838 Speaker 1: Don't ask the question if you don't want to answer, 402 00:19:54,838 --> 00:19:57,278 Speaker 1: a lot like Baba Blue Bob Clear. So again, this 403 00:19:57,358 --> 00:19:59,998 Speaker 1: is all accounted for in the book too. But yeah, 404 00:20:00,158 --> 00:20:03,758 Speaker 1: I want a guy that could see something off during 405 00:20:03,758 --> 00:20:05,398 Speaker 1: the course of a game and bringing to the guy's 406 00:20:05,438 --> 00:20:08,878 Speaker 1: attention one word, really quick sentence, a little jab, nothing, 407 00:20:08,958 --> 00:20:12,358 Speaker 1: not elongated. And Marcel's really good at that. Yeah, it 408 00:20:12,398 --> 00:20:15,598 Speaker 1: reminds me of a Kevin Long the hitting coach for 409 00:20:15,638 --> 00:20:18,198 Speaker 1: the Phillies. We might have talked about this. He's he's 410 00:20:18,198 --> 00:20:20,198 Speaker 1: the only hitting coach, by the way, to take four 411 00:20:20,238 --> 00:20:23,558 Speaker 1: teams to the World Series. That's pretty impressive. But that's 412 00:20:23,558 --> 00:20:25,878 Speaker 1: how good he is. And I talked to him about 413 00:20:26,038 --> 00:20:29,678 Speaker 1: his methodologies, and he really doesn't use technology. I mean 414 00:20:29,718 --> 00:20:32,478 Speaker 1: other than video of course, everybody's been using that for years. 415 00:20:32,518 --> 00:20:36,198 Speaker 1: But no force plates, no kvess, you know, no gadgets. 416 00:20:36,798 --> 00:20:40,038 Speaker 1: It's pretty much like a Marcel Latchman, you know, put 417 00:20:40,038 --> 00:20:42,398 Speaker 1: eyes on the player, work with the player, put together 418 00:20:42,438 --> 00:20:45,998 Speaker 1: a game plan. He's great at identifying flaws and putting 419 00:20:46,038 --> 00:20:48,398 Speaker 1: together approaches. And I'm real curious to see what he 420 00:20:48,438 --> 00:20:51,998 Speaker 1: comes up with in Game three against Lance mccullar's Jr. 421 00:20:52,118 --> 00:20:56,278 Speaker 1: Who throws a ton of breaking pitches. Yeah, exactly, So 422 00:20:56,318 --> 00:20:58,518 Speaker 1: a lot to look forward to that. We've talked about 423 00:20:58,558 --> 00:21:01,438 Speaker 1: that in the past with along with the hitters, the 424 00:21:01,678 --> 00:21:04,438 Speaker 1: the analytical component of our game really does not benefit 425 00:21:04,518 --> 00:21:07,278 Speaker 1: the hitter is much or if at all, like it 426 00:21:07,318 --> 00:21:10,318 Speaker 1: does with defenses and pitching. So I understand that completely. 427 00:21:10,318 --> 00:21:13,078 Speaker 1: I think when you're able to watch your guy hit 428 00:21:13,078 --> 00:21:15,758 Speaker 1: because you know what it's supposed to look like and Furthermore, 429 00:21:15,798 --> 00:21:17,758 Speaker 1: he knows what it's supposed to feel like. So you're 430 00:21:17,798 --> 00:21:20,878 Speaker 1: observing him and he's you know, the feel and the 431 00:21:20,998 --> 00:21:24,638 Speaker 1: knowing are not matching up at this particular time. A 432 00:21:24,678 --> 00:21:26,998 Speaker 1: good hitting coach will be able to say something to 433 00:21:27,198 --> 00:21:30,758 Speaker 1: that hitter and immediately you're you get the back to 434 00:21:30,798 --> 00:21:33,558 Speaker 1: the right field almost immediately. And that's that's what we're 435 00:21:33,558 --> 00:21:36,158 Speaker 1: talking about. The guy like Longer Marcel, they can match 436 00:21:36,238 --> 00:21:38,958 Speaker 1: up the flaw and then all of a sudden, the 437 00:21:39,398 --> 00:21:43,118 Speaker 1: student immediately feels the right movement. And now now you've 438 00:21:43,118 --> 00:21:46,598 Speaker 1: really got something. When when knowledge or knowing and feel 439 00:21:46,718 --> 00:21:48,878 Speaker 1: match up, then you're then you're on the right path. 440 00:21:49,718 --> 00:21:52,998 Speaker 1: Cool stuff. Hey, managing is a difficult job, and it's 441 00:21:53,238 --> 00:21:58,318 Speaker 1: especially difficult these days because of Twitter detectives. We'll talk 442 00:21:58,358 --> 00:22:07,838 Speaker 1: about that next. Welcome back to the Book of Joe podcast. 443 00:22:07,918 --> 00:22:11,038 Speaker 1: Of course, this is the same title as our book, 444 00:22:11,478 --> 00:22:14,078 Speaker 1: The Book of Joe Tom Berducci with Joe Madden. And 445 00:22:14,158 --> 00:22:17,278 Speaker 1: if you love this podcast, you hear something interesting. Believe me, 446 00:22:17,798 --> 00:22:23,158 Speaker 1: you love the book. There's a ton of really interesting information, advice, 447 00:22:23,558 --> 00:22:26,238 Speaker 1: you name it. It's not just about baseball. It's a 448 00:22:26,238 --> 00:22:28,478 Speaker 1: lot of things you can take out of it, Uh, 449 00:22:28,558 --> 00:22:31,478 Speaker 1: so pick it up wherever you buy your books. So 450 00:22:31,518 --> 00:22:35,598 Speaker 1: I mentioned Twitter detectives and we went through this again 451 00:22:36,158 --> 00:22:40,038 Speaker 1: with um from bar Valdez on the Mountain Game two, 452 00:22:40,358 --> 00:22:43,558 Speaker 1: and people watching the game can see that he's rubbing 453 00:22:43,638 --> 00:22:46,558 Speaker 1: his hands together and then rubbing the baseball and then 454 00:22:46,558 --> 00:22:48,638 Speaker 1: throwing his pitches. Pitched a great game for the Houston 455 00:22:48,678 --> 00:22:52,158 Speaker 1: Astros in Game two, and immediately people start wondering is 456 00:22:52,198 --> 00:22:54,598 Speaker 1: he doctoring the baseball as he have something on his 457 00:22:54,798 --> 00:22:57,038 Speaker 1: right hand that he's transferring to his left or at 458 00:22:57,118 --> 00:22:59,438 Speaker 1: least to the baseball to get either a better grip 459 00:22:59,718 --> 00:23:02,878 Speaker 1: or a performance enhancer. And of course Rob Thompson, the 460 00:23:02,878 --> 00:23:04,998 Speaker 1: manager after the game, had to be asked about it. 461 00:23:05,038 --> 00:23:07,878 Speaker 1: He said, basically, you know, the umpires checked these guys 462 00:23:07,958 --> 00:23:11,878 Speaker 1: and we we trust they're doing their jobs. So Joe, 463 00:23:11,958 --> 00:23:13,838 Speaker 1: it kind of puts the manager in a tough spot. 464 00:23:13,878 --> 00:23:16,398 Speaker 1: Now everybody's trying to decide what's going on. I remember 465 00:23:16,438 --> 00:23:18,758 Speaker 1: back in the World Series and No. Six with Kenny Rogers. 466 00:23:18,798 --> 00:23:20,798 Speaker 1: I think it was those six Kenny Rogers had something 467 00:23:20,798 --> 00:23:23,078 Speaker 1: on his throwing hand and everybody could see it, and 468 00:23:23,118 --> 00:23:25,198 Speaker 1: that became a big to do. Of course, Joe must 469 00:23:25,238 --> 00:23:30,158 Speaker 1: grove and the slick substance he had on his ears. Um. 470 00:23:30,198 --> 00:23:31,718 Speaker 1: I don't know what your thoughts on this, but it 471 00:23:31,718 --> 00:23:33,718 Speaker 1: does kind of put the manager in a tough spot 472 00:23:34,238 --> 00:23:37,718 Speaker 1: because maybe nothing's going on, or maybe something's going on 473 00:23:37,838 --> 00:23:40,638 Speaker 1: that his own pictures are doing. That that's the whole 474 00:23:40,638 --> 00:23:42,118 Speaker 1: thing right there. You've got to make sure you guys 475 00:23:42,118 --> 00:23:45,078 Speaker 1: are clean too. But just like Robbie said, that would 476 00:23:45,078 --> 00:23:48,078 Speaker 1: have been my answer. Also, I trust the umpires. The 477 00:23:48,118 --> 00:23:50,918 Speaker 1: umpires are checking these guys after every inning, So if 478 00:23:50,918 --> 00:23:53,198 Speaker 1: you don't trust the umpires, and really what can you 479 00:23:53,238 --> 00:23:56,358 Speaker 1: trust regarding the integrity of the game in progress? So 480 00:23:56,478 --> 00:23:59,838 Speaker 1: that would be it for me right there. As you're 481 00:23:59,838 --> 00:24:03,198 Speaker 1: suggesting to what happens, you're you're in the corner managing 482 00:24:03,198 --> 00:24:04,918 Speaker 1: the game and all of us, and somebody comes up 483 00:24:04,958 --> 00:24:07,838 Speaker 1: to you and they're suspicious of something, and then you 484 00:24:08,078 --> 00:24:11,278 Speaker 1: don't want to disappoint whomever's bringing this point to you. 485 00:24:11,318 --> 00:24:14,998 Speaker 1: But by the same token, you're not sure. There's there's 486 00:24:15,038 --> 00:24:17,478 Speaker 1: a lot of preoccupation with different things going on all 487 00:24:17,518 --> 00:24:19,078 Speaker 1: the time, and most of the time are almost all 488 00:24:19,078 --> 00:24:22,238 Speaker 1: the time it's nothing. So do I go say something 489 00:24:22,358 --> 00:24:25,798 Speaker 1: humiliorate the concerns of my player right here, or do 490 00:24:25,918 --> 00:24:28,078 Speaker 1: I just say to the player, listen, the umpires are 491 00:24:28,158 --> 00:24:30,718 Speaker 1: checking him. I trust the umpires. I really want to 492 00:24:30,718 --> 00:24:34,158 Speaker 1: stay in that particular moment. Finally, like you said, do 493 00:24:34,198 --> 00:24:36,078 Speaker 1: we know that all our guys are doing the right 494 00:24:36,078 --> 00:24:39,198 Speaker 1: thing too? Because we don't. We don't know that. So UM, 495 00:24:39,318 --> 00:24:42,638 Speaker 1: I I believe the system in place is a good one. 496 00:24:43,118 --> 00:24:46,238 Speaker 1: I like the idea of the checking. UM. The pictures 497 00:24:46,238 --> 00:24:48,758 Speaker 1: as they walk off the mountains very and obtrusive. It 498 00:24:48,798 --> 00:24:53,078 Speaker 1: happens very quickly, and I like that, So I trust that. 499 00:24:53,198 --> 00:24:55,718 Speaker 1: I trust that process. I don't think there's a whole 500 00:24:55,758 --> 00:24:58,438 Speaker 1: lot more you can do about it. Um, And that's it. 501 00:24:58,558 --> 00:25:00,318 Speaker 1: I mean, I just I don't want to take it 502 00:25:00,358 --> 00:25:03,398 Speaker 1: anymore deeply than that. If I'm the manager, UM, I 503 00:25:03,438 --> 00:25:06,518 Speaker 1: think if something really pops, you'll know about it. But 504 00:25:06,678 --> 00:25:09,358 Speaker 1: if you don't trust the empires, you trust it out there? Yeah, 505 00:25:09,478 --> 00:25:11,998 Speaker 1: well said, and listen, I can tell you and this 506 00:25:12,078 --> 00:25:14,638 Speaker 1: is it does not apply to this series. I'll be 507 00:25:14,798 --> 00:25:16,958 Speaker 1: up front and clear about that does not apply to 508 00:25:16,998 --> 00:25:19,758 Speaker 1: this series. But I've been around teams in dugouts where 509 00:25:20,278 --> 00:25:25,118 Speaker 1: for night games you see sun lotion. I mean, do 510 00:25:25,158 --> 00:25:33,998 Speaker 1: you need SPF fifteen for a game at so listen, 511 00:25:34,038 --> 00:25:35,478 Speaker 1: we know it goes on. I think it's more of 512 00:25:35,478 --> 00:25:38,878 Speaker 1: an issue in these games in Philadelphia. Obviously we were 513 00:25:38,878 --> 00:25:43,718 Speaker 1: in the Dome in in Houston right perfect conditions. We're 514 00:25:43,758 --> 00:25:46,558 Speaker 1: now talking about temperatures maybe getting down to the forties 515 00:25:46,598 --> 00:25:48,998 Speaker 1: and next three nights in Philadelphia, we're getting a grip 516 00:25:48,998 --> 00:25:52,118 Speaker 1: on a baseball. Let's face it, it's an issue right 517 00:25:52,278 --> 00:25:56,318 Speaker 1: with the baseballs we have in the game today. So, um, listen, 518 00:25:57,718 --> 00:26:00,358 Speaker 1: is something going on. Maybe there's something to help pitchers 519 00:26:00,398 --> 00:26:02,598 Speaker 1: get a better grip. But I'm glad they're at least 520 00:26:02,638 --> 00:26:05,678 Speaker 1: having even if it's the theater of it. The umpires 521 00:26:05,758 --> 00:26:08,358 Speaker 1: checked these guys walking off the field after each ending. 522 00:26:08,478 --> 00:26:10,758 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what the rosin bag does help a lot. 523 00:26:10,798 --> 00:26:12,878 Speaker 1: I mean that rock rosin. If you've got that and 524 00:26:12,918 --> 00:26:14,798 Speaker 1: you put it on your hands and really rub it together, 525 00:26:14,838 --> 00:26:17,118 Speaker 1: it gets tacky. It actually gets sticky just from the 526 00:26:17,198 --> 00:26:20,838 Speaker 1: rock rosin. Uh. Some people prefer that as rock Rosin's 527 00:26:20,838 --> 00:26:23,478 Speaker 1: just like little rocks in that bag and you just 528 00:26:23,558 --> 00:26:25,358 Speaker 1: pat your hand a couple of times and you give 529 00:26:25,358 --> 00:26:27,758 Speaker 1: it one of these and it gets sticky. It gets tacky, 530 00:26:27,838 --> 00:26:29,798 Speaker 1: And the same for the other rosin bag. I don't know. 531 00:26:30,238 --> 00:26:32,158 Speaker 1: I don't know why there would be much more needed 532 00:26:32,158 --> 00:26:34,878 Speaker 1: than that. I mean, I've never understood why guys want 533 00:26:34,958 --> 00:26:38,798 Speaker 1: so much stick on their hands, because even like the 534 00:26:38,838 --> 00:26:41,198 Speaker 1: balls coming out of your fingertips, I'm really impressed that 535 00:26:41,238 --> 00:26:43,758 Speaker 1: they could command it with all that sticky stuff in 536 00:26:43,798 --> 00:26:47,998 Speaker 1: the past. So the rosin bag is effective and maybe 537 00:26:48,078 --> 00:26:49,798 Speaker 1: just a combination that your hands are a little bit 538 00:26:49,838 --> 00:26:51,838 Speaker 1: moist and then you put the rosin on there, which 539 00:26:51,878 --> 00:26:53,878 Speaker 1: is perfectly legal, and all of a sudden you get 540 00:26:53,918 --> 00:26:56,358 Speaker 1: that tacking as you're looking for. So maybe tonight you're 541 00:26:56,358 --> 00:26:58,318 Speaker 1: gonna see guys go more to the bag than than 542 00:26:58,438 --> 00:27:03,198 Speaker 1: usual just for that particular reason. But again, I'm sufficient 543 00:27:03,238 --> 00:27:07,638 Speaker 1: and satisfied with the umpires checking the pictures after the inning. Hey, Joe, 544 00:27:07,638 --> 00:27:10,478 Speaker 1: have you ever asked umpires to check an opposing picture 545 00:27:10,998 --> 00:27:14,038 Speaker 1: only after I've been challenged? Um? You know, if if 546 00:27:14,038 --> 00:27:16,118 Speaker 1: somebody wants to pull the trigger first, then I'm gonna 547 00:27:16,118 --> 00:27:18,358 Speaker 1: come back at him. Um. Even to the point one 548 00:27:18,358 --> 00:27:21,318 Speaker 1: time in New York with Joe Tory checked Acky e 549 00:27:21,398 --> 00:27:23,638 Speaker 1: when were his bat in a game when I was 550 00:27:23,638 --> 00:27:27,238 Speaker 1: a really young manager in um at Yankee Stadium, And 551 00:27:27,278 --> 00:27:29,238 Speaker 1: because Acky had a bat that was kind of like 552 00:27:29,478 --> 00:27:31,758 Speaker 1: shaved off. I mean it was like really abrupt at 553 00:27:31,758 --> 00:27:35,038 Speaker 1: the end, very sharp. So they checked it and um 554 00:27:35,038 --> 00:27:38,318 Speaker 1: it was it was they confiscated. I think they did confiscate, 555 00:27:38,358 --> 00:27:41,238 Speaker 1: if I'm right. So the next inning, I checked Alex 556 00:27:41,318 --> 00:27:43,758 Speaker 1: Rodriguez is bat, you know, and I had to pick 557 00:27:43,798 --> 00:27:46,598 Speaker 1: their biggest guy at that particular moment because I wasn't 558 00:27:46,598 --> 00:27:49,078 Speaker 1: suspecting anything. But I just went back after him because 559 00:27:49,078 --> 00:27:51,558 Speaker 1: they went after one of my guys the same thing 560 00:27:51,918 --> 00:27:55,318 Speaker 1: when when Peralta was checked, I think, and in watching 561 00:27:55,358 --> 00:27:58,198 Speaker 1: I'm pretty certain I did check somebody after that, But 562 00:27:58,238 --> 00:28:00,038 Speaker 1: I'm here to tell you. The next day had a 563 00:28:00,078 --> 00:28:02,798 Speaker 1: several national pictures coming up to me telling me how 564 00:28:02,918 --> 00:28:05,398 Speaker 1: much they did not like what happened the day before, 565 00:28:05,758 --> 00:28:08,238 Speaker 1: and I assured them I'm not taking it to another level. 566 00:28:08,318 --> 00:28:11,598 Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, if if, if, if you get 567 00:28:11,718 --> 00:28:13,598 Speaker 1: checked in any way, shape or form, I'm going to 568 00:28:13,678 --> 00:28:16,758 Speaker 1: defend my guys and I'm gonna do something in return. 569 00:28:16,838 --> 00:28:19,838 Speaker 1: But I don't think I've ever been proactive in an 570 00:28:19,878 --> 00:28:22,718 Speaker 1: attempt to check something like that. Guys also complain about 571 00:28:22,878 --> 00:28:26,998 Speaker 1: leathers laces being too long. Those are times I've had 572 00:28:27,038 --> 00:28:28,758 Speaker 1: to go out to the umpire for something like that, 573 00:28:28,838 --> 00:28:30,838 Speaker 1: and they have to cut the lace because his arms 574 00:28:30,878 --> 00:28:32,798 Speaker 1: coming around and all of a sudden it's long laces 575 00:28:32,798 --> 00:28:37,638 Speaker 1: flapping in the hitter's face or with something gold on 576 00:28:38,158 --> 00:28:40,998 Speaker 1: something hanging out of their neck. And also the color 577 00:28:41,038 --> 00:28:43,038 Speaker 1: of the glove would bother some guys to see what 578 00:28:43,478 --> 00:28:45,518 Speaker 1: those are the times I would ask for help from 579 00:28:45,518 --> 00:28:48,518 Speaker 1: the umpire, but not to check in regards of something 580 00:28:48,558 --> 00:28:52,718 Speaker 1: being sticky. And hey, speaking of umpires, shout out to 581 00:28:52,838 --> 00:28:57,238 Speaker 1: Pat Hoburg homeplate umpire Game two the World Series. There's 582 00:28:57,238 --> 00:29:01,478 Speaker 1: a website that keeps track of the accuracy of umpires calls. Now, 583 00:29:01,558 --> 00:29:05,398 Speaker 1: it's not the same system as what MLB uses to 584 00:29:05,518 --> 00:29:08,598 Speaker 1: grade their umpires to keep that in mind, but according 585 00:29:08,598 --> 00:29:15,278 Speaker 1: to their numbers, pet Hoberg got every call right one nine. 586 00:29:15,998 --> 00:29:20,998 Speaker 1: He called quote unquote a perfect game in the World Series. Now, 587 00:29:21,038 --> 00:29:23,678 Speaker 1: to me, this is instructive a little bit, Joe, because 588 00:29:24,238 --> 00:29:28,478 Speaker 1: game to the World Series there were no crew chiefs 589 00:29:28,518 --> 00:29:32,518 Speaker 1: on the field, regular season crew chiefs. These guys made 590 00:29:32,518 --> 00:29:34,838 Speaker 1: it to the World Series, especially because they're really good 591 00:29:34,838 --> 00:29:38,878 Speaker 1: on ball and strike calls and it's the youngest umpiring crew. 592 00:29:39,518 --> 00:29:44,158 Speaker 1: According to rich Rika MLB ever and Pat Hoberg is 593 00:29:44,198 --> 00:29:47,158 Speaker 1: one of these guys who's been trained on the laser 594 00:29:47,198 --> 00:29:50,638 Speaker 1: technology that they use. It's it's the strike zone, not 595 00:29:50,878 --> 00:29:53,318 Speaker 1: your strike zone. He made it to the big leagues 596 00:29:53,358 --> 00:29:57,118 Speaker 1: at twenty seven, he's only thirty six. And to me, 597 00:29:57,198 --> 00:29:59,438 Speaker 1: when I'm watching these games, Joe and I see these 598 00:29:59,478 --> 00:30:02,838 Speaker 1: younger umpires, the younger eyes on the extra velocity and 599 00:30:02,878 --> 00:30:04,798 Speaker 1: spin we have in the game today, and guys who 600 00:30:04,798 --> 00:30:09,238 Speaker 1: were trained on a laser guided strike zone. These guys 601 00:30:09,278 --> 00:30:11,678 Speaker 1: are good. And so we're looking at an umpiring crew 602 00:30:11,678 --> 00:30:13,878 Speaker 1: in the World Series that doesn't have, you know, the 603 00:30:13,958 --> 00:30:18,158 Speaker 1: thirty years of experience, but the fact that he, at 604 00:30:18,198 --> 00:30:22,838 Speaker 1: least in one system was graded out perfectly. It's not 605 00:30:22,878 --> 00:30:25,398 Speaker 1: a surprise to me after watching these regular season games. 606 00:30:25,438 --> 00:30:27,518 Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw that as a manager, Joe, 607 00:30:28,158 --> 00:30:31,278 Speaker 1: but the younger guys, they're bringing it. No listen, I'm 608 00:30:31,278 --> 00:30:33,358 Speaker 1: with you. I'm a big fan of Pat. I think 609 00:30:33,398 --> 00:30:37,038 Speaker 1: Pat is outstanding. I saw that same um shet Uh 610 00:30:37,318 --> 00:30:40,118 Speaker 1: evaluating his game and I wasn't surprised. This guy is 611 00:30:40,158 --> 00:30:43,318 Speaker 1: that good. And another thing about Pat that's not included 612 00:30:43,318 --> 00:30:45,238 Speaker 1: in that you could talk to this guy. You could 613 00:30:45,238 --> 00:30:49,998 Speaker 1: have a conversation with Pat I really I again not surprised. 614 00:30:50,038 --> 00:30:51,678 Speaker 1: I thought it was great. I was really happy for 615 00:30:51,758 --> 00:30:53,598 Speaker 1: him because he is that good of a dude. Also, 616 00:30:54,038 --> 00:30:57,798 Speaker 1: how about James hoy Uh saying negating the the hit 617 00:30:57,878 --> 00:31:00,198 Speaker 1: by pitch. I love that. I love because he was 618 00:31:00,278 --> 00:31:02,598 Speaker 1: right on the money with that acent There's no argument 619 00:31:02,638 --> 00:31:05,838 Speaker 1: there whatsoever. Another I mean, I don't remember everybody there, 620 00:31:05,838 --> 00:31:09,238 Speaker 1: but another two other favorites ever, Alan Porter and Jordan Baker. 621 00:31:09,318 --> 00:31:11,478 Speaker 1: These guys are really good. Jordan Baker's another guy. Could 622 00:31:11,518 --> 00:31:13,878 Speaker 1: talk to Alan Porter. You get upset as you want, 623 00:31:13,958 --> 00:31:16,038 Speaker 1: He'll just look at you calmly and we'll talk about it. 624 00:31:16,638 --> 00:31:18,958 Speaker 1: These are these guys are not only good in regards 625 00:31:18,998 --> 00:31:22,318 Speaker 1: to their judgment, but their bedside manners outstanding too. So 626 00:31:22,358 --> 00:31:24,398 Speaker 1: I remember the other three guys off the top of 627 00:31:24,438 --> 00:31:27,758 Speaker 1: my head, but those those are among my favorite umpires 628 00:31:27,758 --> 00:31:29,958 Speaker 1: that I've seen over the last several years. Yeah, I mean, 629 00:31:30,078 --> 00:31:32,158 Speaker 1: you know they're doing a good job because the umpires 630 00:31:32,158 --> 00:31:34,638 Speaker 1: have not been an issue this postseason. I get it. 631 00:31:34,678 --> 00:31:37,678 Speaker 1: We have replay on the bases, that's great, but we 632 00:31:37,718 --> 00:31:40,518 Speaker 1: have not had big issues about ball and strike calls. 633 00:31:40,678 --> 00:31:44,318 Speaker 1: That's cool. So Joe I think a lot of people 634 00:31:44,478 --> 00:31:46,878 Speaker 1: we we've talked a lot about cars here might be 635 00:31:46,918 --> 00:31:51,198 Speaker 1: wondering about your RV. I mean it was famous, it 636 00:31:51,238 --> 00:31:53,878 Speaker 1: was on HBO. I mean he got a lot of play. 637 00:31:54,238 --> 00:31:56,318 Speaker 1: Do you still have it? Do you still travel around it? 638 00:31:56,398 --> 00:31:59,798 Speaker 1: What's going on with Joe Madden's ride. The Cousin Eddie 639 00:31:59,838 --> 00:32:05,038 Speaker 1: has been retired and sold Break new It is breaking 640 00:32:06,558 --> 00:32:09,038 Speaker 1: the podcast to break that kind of new. I miss it. 641 00:32:09,158 --> 00:32:11,278 Speaker 1: I missed I missed driving that thing. I love being 642 00:32:11,318 --> 00:32:13,598 Speaker 1: on the highway with that. I just love just going places. 643 00:32:13,638 --> 00:32:16,478 Speaker 1: My favorite I think we've talked about this was Blue 644 00:32:16,478 --> 00:32:19,878 Speaker 1: Water RV Resort in m Key West. My God, you 645 00:32:19,918 --> 00:32:23,118 Speaker 1: get down to your ten miles from Key West, Um, 646 00:32:23,318 --> 00:32:25,878 Speaker 1: it's your nose is right on the water. There's a 647 00:32:25,918 --> 00:32:29,078 Speaker 1: tiki hut there that you get also God, and you 648 00:32:29,198 --> 00:32:31,398 Speaker 1: ride your bike. Was a bike trail there. It was 649 00:32:31,478 --> 00:32:36,718 Speaker 1: fantastic along the Florida Peninsula. Panhandled there. It is tremendous. 650 00:32:36,718 --> 00:32:39,718 Speaker 1: And that's where I met THEO and Jed many years ago. 651 00:32:39,798 --> 00:32:43,678 Speaker 1: So for right now, the Cousin Eddies retired. Um, we 652 00:32:43,758 --> 00:32:45,478 Speaker 1: just had a hard time getting a place to keep 653 00:32:45,518 --> 00:32:46,958 Speaker 1: and all kinds of little things that were going on, 654 00:32:46,998 --> 00:32:49,598 Speaker 1: so but I think it's going to make a comeback eventually. 655 00:32:50,078 --> 00:32:52,718 Speaker 1: But for right now, I just thought I got my van. 656 00:32:52,838 --> 00:32:55,558 Speaker 1: The cow State Fullerton is getting a new engine seventy 657 00:32:55,598 --> 00:32:59,718 Speaker 1: six Dodge Tradesmen two band, new engine three sixty with 658 00:32:59,758 --> 00:33:02,718 Speaker 1: the four away stroker kit, new captain seats up front, 659 00:33:03,078 --> 00:33:06,558 Speaker 1: killer stereos. Just him. Um, that's in Downey in California. 660 00:33:06,638 --> 00:33:10,038 Speaker 1: Right I'm gonna be getting that back soon and that's 661 00:33:10,078 --> 00:33:11,758 Speaker 1: gonna have to take the place of the cousin Eddie 662 00:33:11,798 --> 00:33:14,918 Speaker 1: for now, but Eddie shall return. Wow. But by the way, 663 00:33:14,958 --> 00:33:17,398 Speaker 1: does the cow State Fullerton have the shag carpeting on 664 00:33:17,398 --> 00:33:19,438 Speaker 1: the walls? Of course it does. And it's the cow 665 00:33:19,518 --> 00:33:23,758 Speaker 1: State Fullerton because at seventy six, Duck Clavette used to 666 00:33:23,798 --> 00:33:26,158 Speaker 1: pick me up to take me to my first practices 667 00:33:26,198 --> 00:33:29,958 Speaker 1: at cow State Fullerton prior to spring training, which like 668 00:33:29,998 --> 00:33:32,438 Speaker 1: Freddie Lynn was working out there, Rick Brlson was working 669 00:33:32,438 --> 00:33:34,558 Speaker 1: out there. All these dudes are working out there, and 670 00:33:34,798 --> 00:33:36,518 Speaker 1: so I got to know those guys. But he had 671 00:33:36,558 --> 00:33:40,758 Speaker 1: a seventies six black Dodge van that I've always wanted. 672 00:33:40,798 --> 00:33:44,158 Speaker 1: Since then, I researched research research, Finally I found this 673 00:33:44,238 --> 00:33:46,838 Speaker 1: thing on Craigslist out of in a little town outside 674 00:33:46,838 --> 00:33:50,038 Speaker 1: of Pittsburgh about ten years ago. And this is definitely 675 00:33:50,078 --> 00:33:52,438 Speaker 1: gonna become a family heirlooe because I will never sell 676 00:33:52,518 --> 00:33:56,318 Speaker 1: thistly so cool. Well, that wraps up another edition of 677 00:33:56,678 --> 00:33:59,198 Speaker 1: the Book of Joe podcast. Joe always a pleasure looking 678 00:33:59,198 --> 00:34:01,158 Speaker 1: forward to the next time. We got more World Series 679 00:34:01,238 --> 00:34:05,238 Speaker 1: games to talk about and maybe some more cousin Eddie conversation. 680 00:34:05,598 --> 00:34:07,278 Speaker 1: And I think some people already know this, but I 681 00:34:07,318 --> 00:34:10,398 Speaker 1: got this quote from Andy Warhol. I am a deeply 682 00:34:10,638 --> 00:34:13,918 Speaker 1: superficial person. God do I love that? Love it? I 683 00:34:13,958 --> 00:34:25,638 Speaker 1: am a deeply supervidious Andy. The Book of Joe podcast 684 00:34:25,758 --> 00:34:28,718 Speaker 1: is a production of I Heart Radio. For more podcasts 685 00:34:28,718 --> 00:34:31,558 Speaker 1: for my heart Radio, visit the I heart Radio app, 686 00:34:31,598 --> 00:34:34,598 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.