1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: Hi everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome to Work in Progress. Hello 2 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:20,159 Speaker 1: whip smarties. Today we are joined by Amit Rahav. He 3 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 1: is an incredible actor and what a wild thing to 4 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: say for someone who is a peer but a history 5 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: maker as well. In twenty sixteen, he actually made television 6 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: history when he played the first character to come out 7 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: in a teen television show on the Israeli show Flashback. 8 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: He got such incredible responses from LGBTQ plus youth about 9 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,520 Speaker 1: how his portrayal made them feel seen and validated. He 10 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: joins us today to talk about how. 11 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 2: He wishes he'd had a character like his. 12 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: Own when he was growing up, and what it was 13 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: like to go from teen to time television onto enormous, 14 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: globally successful series like Netflix's Unorthodox and his most recent 15 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: series on Hulu, We Were the Lucky Ones. It is 16 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: a historical drama adapted from the twenty seventeen book of 17 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: the same name by Georgia Hunter, inspired by the story 18 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: of her family surviving the Holocaust. It is an incredibly 19 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: beautiful show, and I think in a time where we 20 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: are all perhaps horrified by humanity's perpetsity to be cruel, 21 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 1: an incredibly timely reminder that if we don't know our history, 22 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: we might be doomed to repeat it. I'm very grateful 23 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: that joins us today. Let's get into it. 24 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 2: Why how are you. 25 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 3: I'm good. It's so nice meeting you. 26 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: It's so nice to meet you as well. Congratulations on 27 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: the show. 28 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 4: How exciting, Thank you, Thank you so much. Yes, it's 29 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 4: very exciting. Yeah. Yeah. Being here is like is a 30 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 4: whole new experience to me right now because I did 31 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 4: another show called Unorthodox that came out in the pandemic. 32 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 4: So being here right now and seeing the billboards and 33 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 4: meeting people and like being on the street actually is 34 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 4: such a refreshing experience. 35 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, totally different from being like locked up and having 36 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: well I mean we're doing this on zoom, but having 37 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: to do everything over the internet. 38 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, but I feel the proximity energy between six different 39 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 4: we're in the same country, we're not in different camping 40 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 4: and so it's like, it's, uh, that also affects my experience. Yeah, 41 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 4: they're just like being here meeting people, like going to 42 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 4: an actual screening with like an audience. That's yeah, that's 43 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 4: a refreshment. 44 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, And what has that been like to watch 45 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: people see the project. 46 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 4: Oh wow, that's such a good question. It's been actually amazing, 47 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 4: to be honest, I've seen it. I've seen the first episode, 48 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 4: in the last episode on the big screen. We had 49 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 4: two screenings. Yeah, and both screenings, Like the energies that 50 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 4: you feel in the audience are so different than just 51 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 4: watching it by yourself at home. And also like the 52 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 4: effect that a big screen has on like your experience 53 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 4: is so crazy. I don't I don't think I've ever 54 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 4: appreciated the fact that when you want something on the 55 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 4: big screen and not on your own TV, like the differences. 56 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 4: I don't think I've ever had this experience of watching 57 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 4: something on your own TV, but then like right away 58 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 4: on a huge screen. 59 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 3: With a pack a pack theater. It's it's just like 60 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 3: it's it's. 61 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 4: So powerful to hear the actual reactions and people holding 62 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:27,919 Speaker 4: their breaths, Like you can actually hear it, you know 63 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 4: what I mean. 64 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, when when a whole room goes yeah and you 65 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 1: feel that and you know that something is translating emotionally. 66 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 3: Right, yes. 67 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 4: Yeah. And also like I love theaters, so I've been 68 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 4: like like, like you have this experience when you go 69 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,919 Speaker 4: to play or a musical like you have this feeling, 70 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 4: but then like seeing it with your own, like own 71 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 4: piece of art is like a whole different experience when 72 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 4: you're like in the audience but you're watching it. 73 00:04:59,000 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 3: It's it's. 74 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 4: I really I think I was kind of like I 75 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 4: didn't know what to what it would be like going 76 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 4: in and then leaving. I was like, Wow, this was 77 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 4: such a a special moment to watch it with so 78 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 4: many people in a room. 79 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's incredible when you know what a moment you 80 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 1: find yourself in. Now, when when did you know you 81 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: wanted to be an actor? Was that something that you 82 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: always wanted to do since you were a little kid, 83 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: or or did you kind of wind up here by 84 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: a strange happenstance. 85 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 4: No, I definitely knew I wanted to be an actor, 86 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 4: Like definitely. I remember, well, I always like wanted to 87 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 4: perform like it was I was. I always wanted to 88 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 4: be like on stage. Like do you remember the moment 89 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 4: where I think I was in first or second grade 90 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 4: and I saw this like school sort of like singing 91 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 4: group performing and I did not know about it, And 92 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 4: I remember sitting in the audience and just like feeling 93 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 4: a physical sickness jealousy like it was so it was 94 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 4: so like strong. I felt it in all of my 95 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 4: veins and body that I needed to be there. I 96 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 4: was I was fuming not being on stage. I saw 97 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 4: it and I and I don't know like why I 98 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 4: knew to feel that way, but it was just like 99 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 4: a natural reaction. 100 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 2: Wow. 101 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 4: So I really like remember this as as a vivid 102 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 4: moment of like I just need to be there. And 103 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 4: that was like my first sort of like I got 104 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 4: a solo, like I was singing by myself just like 105 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 4: a few months after I joined. So I like I 106 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 4: really felt like gratified by joining this group. Oh yeah, 107 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 4: I'm like I really remember this. This We have a 108 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 4: CD up until today. I need to listen to it 109 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 4: from like me and second grade. And then yeah, I 110 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 4: just I just like I started joining all drama classes 111 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 4: and major in theater in high school, then going to 112 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 4: drama school and and I actually started with doing like 113 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 4: teenage dramas and this was like an amazing acting school 114 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 4: for me. And then yeah, and then like things just 115 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 4: like started to become more and more like real and 116 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 4: and went like deep in a way. 117 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and and you know, going deep as you say, 118 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: you know, into these worlds wanting to tell people's stories 119 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: and represent their lives. It it's so personal and it's 120 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: so emotional, and it requires so much presence. 121 00:07:57,960 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 2: And then. 122 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: I think, not only as a performer, do you have 123 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: to be courageous enough to be raw bear, but sometimes 124 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: you have to be courageous enough to be the first. 125 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: And I know, I know that in twenty sixteen, You 126 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: know when you talk about like coming of age on 127 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: these teen. 128 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 2: Shows, much like I did. 129 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: You know you were on Flashback and you made history 130 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: in Israel as the first character who came out on 131 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: one of these shows. What was that experience like for you? 132 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: Were you were you apprehensive as an eighteen year old 133 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: to do that? Or were you. 134 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 2: Were you shocked that it hadn't happened yet? Like maybe both? 135 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 2: What was that time for you? 136 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 4: Yeah? I think it was everything I was. First of all, 137 00:08:55,120 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 4: it felt slightly too late, like twenty sixteen. It feels like, oh, 138 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 4: it could have happened like earlier. But then I felt 139 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 4: a huge responsibility to be that person. And yeah, it 140 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 4: took a lot of courage. I don't know how I 141 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 4: did that, but like it was again this urge of 142 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 4: me wanting and knowing it was like a calling from above. 143 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 4: I don't know, like I just knew that I had 144 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 4: to do it. I knew how significant it would have 145 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 4: been for me to have this kind of character growing up, 146 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 4: and I knew what it can be for people, for 147 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 4: kids teenagers watching this show. And I think I was, 148 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 4: I was, I was terrified going into this. I'm so 149 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 4: glad that I that I did that, Like because up 150 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 4: until today, I get people coming up to me and 151 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 4: saying how much they loved the show. And it was 152 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 4: so clever to see someone. I think we're so used 153 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 4: to consume like hard coming out stories and. 154 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 3: This devastated like. 155 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 4: People, like devastating stories of people coming out and not 156 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 4: being accepted by their surroundings or just like, yeah, having 157 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 4: the most horrific time coming out. And what was so 158 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 4: beautiful about this story is that none of this has happened. 159 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 4: He just told his friends. They hugged him, they loved him. 160 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,599 Speaker 1: What was it like for you, because you said it 161 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: would have meant so much to you to have had 162 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,719 Speaker 1: a character like this to watch growing up. 163 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, So. 164 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 1: Was it hard for you growing up realizing, you know, 165 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: coming to terms with your identity or did you also 166 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: have kind of a great experience and just wish there'd 167 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:43,079 Speaker 1: been more representation. 168 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 4: I think that. Yeah, in comparison to other stories, I 169 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 4: think I had a genuinely like pretty solid story. Like 170 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 4: it was like my family is so supportive, they're so 171 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 4: open minded, or like the most liberal family I had. 172 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 4: It was it was more like the demons in my 173 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 4: own head there were so harsh that were preventing me 174 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 4: from coming out earlier. Yeah, I think that. Uh. I 175 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 4: now remember when you asked that that I did like 176 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 4: this interview like four years ago, and I talked about 177 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 4: some moments in school and in elementary school of being bullied, 178 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 4: and my mom was watching this interview and she was like, 179 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 4: I did not know that this has happened to you. 180 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 4: I wish I knew that you went through that. And 181 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, I couldn't tell you. Like I 182 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 4: did not want to speak about my weaknesses and me 183 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 4: being an outsider and me just like it's there's like 184 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 4: such a deep need to be blended and not to 185 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:04,839 Speaker 4: be labeled and to just like not create any any 186 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 4: like sort of mess around. You just want to like 187 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 4: be normal. So speaking about being bullied or like being 188 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 4: mocked at at school was like to me the most, 189 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 4: like the most the closest thing to coming out. So 190 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 4: I don't think I could have could have been like 191 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 4: too open about it. But I did know that if 192 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 4: I would have had this character growing up, I would 193 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 4: probably have such a way more of an easier like 194 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 4: easy life. And and uh and yeah, I think that 195 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 4: it came in the exact right time for kids to 196 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 4: to consume this show because I was getting so many 197 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 4: messages on my Instagram from. 198 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 3: Kids who are like religious. 199 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 4: And have to come out to their parents as like 200 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 4: queer or lesbians or buy or gay and and this 201 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 4: was the most like one of the most meaningful experiences 202 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 4: I've ever had to get actual people dming you and 203 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 4: thanking you for like for speaking up and for representing them. 204 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 4: And I think this I would I wouldn't trade it 205 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 4: for anything. 206 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, if it helped. 207 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:30,959 Speaker 4: One person and it saved one person's life, so I 208 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,959 Speaker 4: feel like I've done like what I needed to do. 209 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so special And what. 210 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: A I mean, what an immense privilege like a thing 211 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: for you to say like I got to do that. 212 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: You know, that'll always be something for you to hold 213 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: in those messages and that feeling and I don't know, 214 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,599 Speaker 1: I think it's it's so profound. 215 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 3: Thank you. 216 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, And now for our sponsors. 217 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: Was it kind of wild to go from doing something 218 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: that monumental to then go be on you know, we 219 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: touched on Unorthodox and that was such a big breakout 220 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: show also, which was it kind of crazy to do 221 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: this huge monumental thing and then to be on you know, 222 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: your next gig and have it also be kind of 223 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: like a runaway train. 224 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 4: Oh my god, Yes, it was a runaway train. That's 225 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 4: such an accurate term to use. Yeah, it was crazy, 226 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 4: I think. Yeah, I was again terrified going on Unorthodox. 227 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 4: I felt like the imposters syndrome. 228 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 3: So hard? 229 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: Did you have to study a lot and like meet 230 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: with a lot of folks to learn about the community. 231 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 4: The community, and also like it was all in Yiddish, 232 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 4: which I've never spoken before. Yiddish is so far from 233 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 4: it's so like it's like learning I don't know Chinese, 234 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 4: so it was like learning a whole language. And I 235 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 4: felt so terrified going at that project. It was so 236 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 4: huge and there was so much responsibility, and I also 237 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 4: felt at the beginning that I didn't know if I 238 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 4: could deliver this role, if I could, if I could 239 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 4: serve the part right, if I'm I was constantly scared 240 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 4: that they'd like did find out that I'm not the 241 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 4: right person for the role. 242 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 3: This was such like a a realistic feeling. I believed 243 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 3: it so much. 244 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 4: Looking back, it was only my mind tricking me, and 245 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 4: my insecurities and fears and my uh. 246 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 3: That that I that I that I learned to live with. 247 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: Since then, when you got that role, I know you 248 00:15:55,440 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: were still in acting school and yes, and obviously it's 249 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: such an enormous opportunity, but it comes with a lot 250 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: of pressure. How do you feel like you handled your 251 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: life changing so much so fast? 252 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 3: Wow, that's such a good question. Yeah, they did change. 253 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 4: I don't think that I was aware of how much 254 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 4: they are changing. While it was happening. I was so 255 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 4: like enjoying the ride, and I did. 256 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 3: Not really like I did not really. 257 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 4: Understand the meaning of it all. It all just happened 258 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 4: and it all became like. 259 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 3: Bigger than life. 260 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 4: Also, like filming Unorthodox, we didn't come into this show 261 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 4: feeling that we're going to create something that's gonna get 262 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 4: to every household. We shot like that, like it was 263 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 4: honestly the tiniest crew. They were like thirty people on set. Yeah, 264 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 4: it was so tiny. It was just made with pure love. 265 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: It's not lost on me that so many of these 266 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 1: roles that you've played have have required so much, you know, 267 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: introspection and and whether it's making history in your you know, 268 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 1: home country on television or having to study, as you said, 269 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:24,199 Speaker 1: this sort of very different than your own life, conservative world. 270 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: Now you're you're going back in time starring on The 271 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: Lucky Ones. It's it's such a profoundly emotional and important project. 272 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: And the fact that you know, in present day at work, 273 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: you get to you know, honor the story of your grandmother, 274 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: who who is a Holocaust survivor what does it feel 275 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: like to assume a role like that, you know, to 276 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: be telling a story about one of our you know, 277 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 1: most of earth shattering and traumatic points in history. That's 278 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 1: so personal to you, Like it's it's it's it's so 279 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: important to the world, but it's also so personal to 280 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: you and your family. 281 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:21,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's I don't know, it was it was. 282 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 4: It was such an incredible experience. 283 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 3: It still is. 284 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 4: I mean, seeing like people reacting to that story and 285 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 4: knowing how personal it was for me, but also like 286 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 4: for Georgia Hunter, who's the writer of the book and 287 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 4: this whole show is based on her. 288 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 3: Own family and. 289 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 4: And booked and uh, but it's also personal to all 290 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:47,919 Speaker 4: of the cast and creaers, and we all felt an 291 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 4: immense passion to tell the story, and we were also 292 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:59,640 Speaker 4: aligned with the importance of that of that storytelling and 293 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 4: and the time and and and the ignorance and racism 294 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 4: and hatred, and we all really wanted to respectfully tell 295 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 4: this piece in a way that would move people. 296 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 2: Did you get to meet Georgia I did. 297 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 4: She was with us on set and us. Yes, she 298 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 4: is the greatest human being. I love her so much. 299 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 4: She allowed us to just join her family spiritually obviously, 300 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:35,400 Speaker 4: but she opened up about anything and everything to us. 301 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 4: She came in with a massive photo album and with 302 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 4: so many documents and letters that we could read, and 303 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 4: she was open at any time and at any point 304 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 4: to ask any questions. And it was such a privilege 305 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 4: to have her with us on set. And she came 306 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 4: to set, and she also brought her mom, who's the 307 00:19:55,080 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 4: daughter of Addie who who's played by Logan but like 308 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 4: in Realize Addie, so her Mom was there and it 309 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 4: was such a special experience to have like the real 310 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 4: family with us on set. 311 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:11,479 Speaker 3: Wow. 312 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: And now a word from our sponsors that I really 313 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 1: enjoy and I think you will too. Just earlier this 314 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: season on the podcast, I got to interview Ava du Verne, 315 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: the filmmaker, and she released Origin this year, and it 316 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: was so that movie was such an emotional experience for me, 317 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: and to see her take all of the research of 318 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: Isabelle Wilkerson and turn it into this narrative. And it's 319 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 1: so arresting to realize that hate is so infectious. 320 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 3: It's so easy to hate. 321 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: It's so easy, and why because we should know better 322 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: by now, And I think. 323 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 2: It's such an. 324 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 1: It's immensely painful to really look at these wounds and 325 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: to really look at how far back this hate goes, 326 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:20,400 Speaker 1: and and to realize that it's been systematized for all 327 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: of these generations. And I think sometimes people will say, well, 328 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: you know, why do we have to keep talking about it? 329 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: But I think if we don't talk about it, and 330 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: we don't make sure people know our history, then we 331 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:35,400 Speaker 1: become doomed to repeat it. 332 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 3: Exactly, Yes, And I think that. 333 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 4: Like as we said that hatred is so contagious and 334 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 4: it's so easy. And I think that the like being 335 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 4: in communication and talking about the complexities is the challenge. 336 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 4: And it's that's like I think that when people try 337 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 4: and face that like period of time are also like 338 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 4: also like nowadays, we're such an immense, horrible, devastating conflict 339 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 4: as we speak, and I think that it's so hard 340 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 4: for people to to try and and and and like 341 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 4: and and attack it from a whole different place. It's 342 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 4: so hard to see the layers and the textures and 343 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 4: and to see that there's no good or bad, that 344 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 4: there's like a lot of pain and suffer and there's 345 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 4: like an endless grief. But these things are rooted in 346 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 4: our own like DNA, but they can be sort of 347 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 4: like they can be talked about and changed, is it? 348 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: And you know, I want to be very sensitive and 349 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: also be very clear that you know, I know people 350 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: are not their governments, and I know I certainly wouldn't 351 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: be able to answer for every thing America, guys. 352 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 2: You know, done in its history. 353 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: But I also do want to not pretend we're not 354 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 1: in the moment we are of you know, offer you 355 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: my empathy, it does it feel strange to be telling 356 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: this story about this immensely devastating time, you know, not 357 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 1: just in human history, but in the history of the 358 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: Jewish people, when you are also in the midst of 359 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:34,199 Speaker 1: this horrific conflict. I imagine that it puts you in 360 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: a very emotional and tough position. Like I don't know, 361 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: I don't really know what the question is necessarily, but 362 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:51,199 Speaker 1: I yeah, I just I feel for you trying to 363 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:55,120 Speaker 1: make art and honor the past in a moment where 364 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: the present is so horrific. 365 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you this. I do feel the empathy. 366 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 1: I am so inspired by people like you are talking about, 367 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 1: who say we are better than this. We see each other, 368 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: we want I want better for your family, and I 369 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: know you want better for mine, And it is exactly 370 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: what you mentioned earlier. We should know better by now, 371 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 1: but it seems like for some reason. 372 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 4: We do not. I don't understand why, Like, why isn't 373 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:29,919 Speaker 4: it so simple and basic? Yeah, that we're all like 374 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 4: in an immense pain. 375 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: And I think it must be particularly present and real 376 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: for you because you are discussing this beautiful piece of 377 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: historical work that is being mirrored yet again now. And 378 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: I imagine it's very hard as an artist because you're like, no, no, 379 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: I'm trying to make us see each o other. 380 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 2: I'm not trying to make anyone pick a side. 381 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 3: I'm actually trying to. 382 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 1: Say, we've been through this, we should know better, we 383 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:11,439 Speaker 1: should do better, and it's it's it's a hard place 384 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 1: to be. 385 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 4: That's so accurate, and I think that that is the 386 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 4: only way for us to overcome this conflict, only with 387 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:25,400 Speaker 4: like actually meeting the people and talking to them and 388 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 4: just hearing each other's trauma and pain and fears. 389 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,919 Speaker 1: Well, I think I have a friend who you know, 390 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: has worked at the UN for a long time, who 391 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,400 Speaker 1: talked who's talked to me a lot about how they 392 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: rebuilt in Rwanda after the genocide, and the the intense 393 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: undertaking of making sure that every family was paired with 394 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,679 Speaker 1: a family from the other side, and people sat in 395 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: these healing circles and people people would talk to someone 396 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 1: who you know, murdered families and someone whose family members 397 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 1: were murdered, and the whole country went through this process. 398 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: And what you're saying, it's painful to listen to trauma, 399 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: it's painful to reckon, but the whole country did this. 400 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: This peace process together and everything changed. And I think 401 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 1: it's that sort of idea right that we're supposed to 402 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: know better by now. 403 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 2: And I'm very. 404 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 1: Heartened by people who've said this population, it's not us 405 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: or them, it's us, all of us. 406 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 2: We're here together. 407 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 1: And I don't know, I know a lot of you know, 408 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 1: important people, powerful people, governments make a lot. 409 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 2: Of money on war. 410 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: But I'm very inspired by the people who keep standing 411 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: up every day and saying not in our name, we 412 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 1: don't want this. And I really, you know, I've I've 413 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: been very heartened to see so many people protesting, saying 414 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: like enough, this isn't this isn't making anybody safe. 415 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 2: What are we doing? 416 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: And I, I don't know, I hope, I hope more of 417 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 1: us wind up getting to set the course in the future, 418 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 1: because clearly a lot of the people who've set it 419 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 1: so far have not have not done so with the 420 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: kinds of goals for unity that I think. 421 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 2: We all pray for. 422 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 1: And you know, I yeah, I just I appreciate, you know, 423 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: I appreciate it, and I can't quite imagine how it 424 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: must feel to, you know, try to straddle all of 425 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 1: these worlds at the same time. 426 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 4: For you. 427 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's chaotic. 428 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just imagine it's very, very difficult. And you know, 429 00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 1: you're one human being who happens to be, you know, 430 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 1: telling his grandmother's story right now, and I know it 431 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: becomes about a lot of other things. And I I 432 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 1: also know as artists our job is to sort of 433 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 1: try to hold all of the world, past and present 434 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 1: and figure out how to tell stories. So yeah, I 435 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,959 Speaker 1: just I just wanted to make a little bit of 436 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 1: you know, space for you there. 437 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 3: I oh, thank you. 438 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 1: I think no matter what you know, the subject matter 439 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 1: of the show of Lucky Ones, I would be asking 440 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: about how you cope with the heaviness and the pressure, 441 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 1: and and it's it's I would imagine, bigger now than 442 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: you even thought it would be a year ago. 443 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. 444 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 4: It's it's interwined with the past and the present are 445 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 4: so dominant. They're like they keep fighting who takes the spotlight? 446 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 3: Was it was. 447 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: It an interesting thing for you because I would imagine, 448 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: you know, with your grandmother's history, you've always grown up knowing, 449 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: you know, what she survived, what she escaped. Was it 450 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: sort of surreal to know that you were going to 451 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: step into that world when did you guys film this 452 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: like two years ago? 453 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 4: Maybe like like a year and. 454 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 2: A half ago, Okay, so in twenty twenty two, yes, yea. 455 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 4: Was Yeah? 456 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: Was it was it bizarre to have to walk into 457 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: that world and into that time period as an artist, 458 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: but as an artist who's got such a personal connection. 459 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 4: Yes, that's such a good question. 460 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. 461 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 4: I it was really a special moment because I really 462 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 4: remember when I got the part that I realized that 463 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 4: I have to dive deep in now into this subject, 464 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 4: which is the most like the heaviest subject of them all. 465 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 4: And growing up, I've heard the Holocaust story from any 466 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 4: like from every angle, Like we are taught about the 467 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 4: Holocaust since first grade. We have like the Memorial Holocaust 468 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 4: Day in Israel, and there's always like a ceremony, and 469 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 4: there's Holocaust films. So I've heard so much about it 470 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 4: growing up. But then after that there's sort of like 471 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 4: a like after you finished with all your mandatory studies, 472 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,479 Speaker 4: you stop hearing about it all of a sudden. 473 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 3: So so then going into. 474 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 4: This project, it was sort of like, oh wow, I'm 475 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 4: an adult now and I can examine it and experience 476 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 4: it through a whole different lens. I had the like 477 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 4: the actual ability to think about it as an adult, 478 00:30:58,800 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 4: which was so. 479 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 3: It was like it was sort of like I sort. 480 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 4: Of like re learned about it and I realized how 481 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 4: how crazy these eight years were. The Second World War 482 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 4: was something unbelievable. It was very It was so oiled up. 483 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 4: It was like a whole machine. 484 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 3: That is just. 485 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 4: It's like, I don't think I still can grasp what 486 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 4: was it like. But watching all the documentaries and rereading 487 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 4: all stuff that I read growing up, but then like again, 488 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 4: like going back into the books, it was unbelievable to me. 489 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 3: It was. 490 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 4: Also walking on set it felt like that I don't 491 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 4: understand how these people lived through that time and also 492 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 4: survived like them specifically they survived. I don't know if 493 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 4: I could. I don't know if I would be able 494 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 4: to survive the power of their thoughts and their perseverance 495 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 4: and strength and courage. 496 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, and now a word from our wonderful sponsors. It 497 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: becomes very difficult, I think, to wrap your head around. 498 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: You know, the things we study and we see pictures 499 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: of in books, and we read the stats. It's different 500 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,959 Speaker 1: when your body begins to feel what happens to people. 501 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: You know, I had a very similar experience when I 502 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 1: really started to become an advocate for you know, closing 503 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: all of these gender gaps and particularly about gender based violence. 504 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 1: Like when I really began to actually understand in my bones, 505 00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: not just in my brain, the statistics of what happens. 506 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 2: To women, I was like, what the fuck you know? 507 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: And what there's there just is something different when it 508 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 1: goes from your brain to your body. 509 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 2: It's different. 510 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 1: And I imagine that's part of why it feels so 511 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: important to tell stories like this, you know, I know, 512 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 1: it's why it feels important for me to you know, 513 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: use my platform, you know, for women and and for 514 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: the non binary community. And I, yeah, I wondered, do 515 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: you do you think that experience you had of it 516 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: traveling from the intellectual to the emotional physical like you know, 517 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 1: brain to body was did that make you sort of 518 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 1: even more sure that this that this is a story 519 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 1: that's important to. 520 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 2: Tell now. 521 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 3: Interesting? Yes, of course. 522 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 4: I I remember walking on set and seeing like extra 523 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 4: dressed up as Nazis and its just like yeah, and 524 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 4: seeing like all these weapons and seeing and hearing like 525 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 4: them screaming things in German and it's just like it. 526 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 4: I was just I choked in that moment, being dressed 527 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 4: in my own outfit, my character's outfit, and then seeing 528 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 4: it was sort of like traveling back in time in 529 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 4: a way. And I mean, we're actors, so we're like, 530 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 4: I'm not like, I don't like I know who I am. 531 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 4: I know that I'm here to work and that I 532 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,800 Speaker 4: need to like learn my lines and do the scene. 533 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 4: But then when you suddenly step out of work mode 534 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:57,239 Speaker 4: and you just observe the situation that you're in, it's 535 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 4: it does become a physical like you do. You do 536 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 4: develop like a physical reaction. Of course, I felt nausea 537 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 4: on set seeing those images come to life and we 538 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 4: all cried there. Yeah, several amount of times just watching playbacks. Also, 539 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 4: when you suddenly watch playback and you see yourself in 540 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 4: that situation, it's it's chilling, and that definitely strengthens the 541 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 4: the need to tell more and more stories like that. 542 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,280 Speaker 1: When you think about what you want to do next, 543 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 1: you know there's there is so much importance, but heaviness 544 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 1: obviously in a project like this. Does it make you 545 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 1: just want to go to a comedy like do you 546 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 1: want to go on Dancing. 547 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 2: With the Stars? 548 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 3: Like, like what do. 549 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 1: You do to get something like this out of your body? 550 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 1: What do you what do you want to do next? 551 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:05,799 Speaker 4: I sure I'll do Dancing with the Stars, but yeah, 552 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 4: I want to do something that yeah light, definitely light, 553 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,839 Speaker 4: definitely comedy. Like I don't know, Like I just want 554 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:21,880 Speaker 4: to do stuff with good creators and good people, because 555 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 4: that cannot be changed when you work with like I've 556 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 4: been very fortunate to have like very good set experiences 557 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:36,319 Speaker 4: and have like good directors and good writers, and like 558 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 4: after working with Tommy Kale, who was the director of 559 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 4: We Were the Lucky Ones, It's very hard to go 560 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 4: on to something that would be less meaningful. So I 561 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 4: think it should be a combination of like something that's very. 562 00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:00,400 Speaker 3: Light. It has to be light, but also I need 563 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 3: some like. 564 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,239 Speaker 4: Meaning to it, of course, but also like I just 565 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:10,720 Speaker 4: I don't know what I'm talking about. 566 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 3: I want to do anything and everything. 567 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 4: I have so many dreams. I have so many like 568 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 4: so many like things that I want to do and 569 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,839 Speaker 4: and be in, and and I don't know, there's I've 570 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 4: got so many goals and dreams and and I just 571 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 4: I don't know what will be next, but I but I'm. 572 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 3: Excited to find out yeah. 573 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:40,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well that feels exciting when you think about the 574 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,880 Speaker 1: year ahead. What feels like you're work in progress? 575 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 3: Oh wow. 576 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,759 Speaker 4: So I'm now here in La which I'm planning to 577 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:53,320 Speaker 4: stay for a while here, and it's a whole different 578 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:59,840 Speaker 4: a whole different life, yeah than then back in Tel Aviv. 579 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,360 Speaker 4: So I think that my work in progress is to 580 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 4: figure out how do people like, how do people like 581 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 4: just live here? I feel like I'm still settling in. 582 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,920 Speaker 4: I've been here for three months and I still feel 583 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 4: like it's my first week. I don't know when will 584 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:25,759 Speaker 4: I feel that I belong or that I know that 585 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,319 Speaker 4: I've got it all figured out. But I think that 586 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 4: my work in progress is to find my own, like 587 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:38,439 Speaker 4: favorite spots and to find good people to just like. 588 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,440 Speaker 3: Create an island. 589 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 4: For me to exist in that feels right and that 590 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 4: feels nice and comforting. 591 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 3: In times of need. 592 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes you feel at home. 593 00:38:55,800 --> 00:39:02,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think that That's what I'm mostly working 594 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:03,359 Speaker 4: on now. 595 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 2: Wonderful. Well, we love it. I'll send you a whole 596 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:09,279 Speaker 2: list of places I love. 597 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,400 Speaker 3: Oh please do I'm in desperate please? 598 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 2: All right? 599 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 1: Well, thank you and thank you for your thank you, 600 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 1: you know, for your openness today and yeah, I really 601 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:21,759 Speaker 1: appreciate it