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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us for another episode of Fish Bites.

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Speaker 1: As always, my name is Danny Martinez, and you are

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Speaker 1: here on a special day. It is actually Mother's Day

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Speaker 1: version special shout out to all of the moms out there,

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Speaker 1: A very unique one from my mother, who is truly

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Speaker 1: my hero alongside my wife. The things that you have

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Speaker 1: gone through, the things that you have survived, the things

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Speaker 1: that you have done for me and for those around

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Speaker 1: you is truly a blessing and attestament to who you are,

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Speaker 1: and I just want you to know that I love

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Speaker 1: you from the bottom of my heart. Fellas everyone moms,

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Speaker 1: we have a good episode today because quite frankly, there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of excitement for a team that is en

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Speaker 1: route for a historically bad win loss record. There is

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Speaker 1: a lot of change that happened this week, which I

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Speaker 1: will happily report to you. After a week of tough

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Speaker 1: article pieces and the Dembo versus Dog situation and determination

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Speaker 1: of Chip Bowers and a lot of things that were

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Speaker 1: distasteful the way that it was interpreted and sent out,

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Speaker 1: we have a lot to report that's good. So we're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about that today. Craig Mish reported and it's

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Speaker 1: been already confirmed by the Marlins. One of the top prospects,

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Speaker 1: Harold or Merris, is being called up. We're gonna go

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Speaker 1: into the impact that he can make and who he

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Speaker 1: is for those that might not know him. Garrett Cooper

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Speaker 1: is healthy and again in the lineup. We'll also talk

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Speaker 1: about the corresponding moves that had to happen for them

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Speaker 1: to come on up, as well as Eliza Hernandez that

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Speaker 1: came up from Triple A. We're gonna have a conversation

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Speaker 1: centered around tanking, whether the Marlins consider this rebuild or

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Speaker 1: quote unquote build a tank. It's a conversation piece that

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Speaker 1: continues to come up in emails and in Twitter and

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Speaker 1: in direct messages about whether it's the right time to

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Speaker 1: be doing this right because tanking and rebuilding can work,

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Speaker 1: and it has a high success rate lately, but it

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Speaker 1: has to correlate with talent that you can come and target.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna look at these briefly, at these drafts and

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Speaker 1: see if really and we're gonna ask a question, are

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Speaker 1: the Marlins bad at the right time? Basically, that's what

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Speaker 1: we're asking, and we're gonna finish up with a conversation

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Speaker 1: that if I'm being honest with you, I've been avoiding.

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Speaker 1: It's a conversation that a lot of you have wanted

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Speaker 1: me to have. I have been avoiding the conversation of

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Speaker 1: Don Mattingly and managerial options if he's not back next

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Speaker 1: year because I don't like having the conversation of anyone,

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Speaker 1: whether it's a player, or whether it's a coach, or

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Speaker 1: whether it's an executive that is currently here and that

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Speaker 1: is busting their tail for the team. But it's a

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Speaker 1: fair conversation, right he's on his last year of his contract.

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Speaker 1: There is a reason to understand and believe and at

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Speaker 1: least look hypothetically to see if he's not here, what

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Speaker 1: the rest of the options would be like moving forward

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Speaker 1: for the Marlins. So we're gonna have that conversation as well.

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Speaker 1: But we're gonna start off as always with our trending players.

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Speaker 1: And I know I got a little lazy last week.

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Speaker 1: I think it was justified, right, I told you, look,

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Speaker 1: just copy and paste Caleb Smith, and copy and paste

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Speaker 1: Georgia Alfarow, and there you have your trending players. I

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Speaker 1: won't do that to you this week. I feel like

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Speaker 1: I could. I feel like I could tell you that

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Speaker 1: Caleb Smith is again the guy who you should be

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Speaker 1: paying attention to on the pitching side, and I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: So you you want a different player for this week,

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Speaker 1: my guy is Nick Anderson. Nick Anderson is a relief pitcher.

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Speaker 1: He's only had two outings this week, Okay, two scot

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Speaker 1: scoreless ountings, perfect outings against the Chicago Coms. Nothing Cubs,

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Speaker 1: nothing to write home about, right, But I think that

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Speaker 1: he's my selection because he earns recognition for the entire year, really,

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Speaker 1: aside from one outing against the Braves where he gave

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Speaker 1: take away that outing, I know we don't live in

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Speaker 1: a world of takeaway, but if we take away that outing,

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Speaker 1: he has been absolutely dominant a sub to era thirty

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Speaker 1: That's what you want to see from a guy who

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Speaker 1: was very under the radar move this off season when

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Speaker 1: he was acquired by the Marlins and by this this

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Speaker 1: us exactly why he was targeting. He was targeted. I

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Speaker 1: mean just dominant, dominant with his velocity, with his ability

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Speaker 1: an alarming rate. I mean, just a very very good

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Speaker 1: I said could be a part of the competitive core

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Speaker 1: moving forward a few podcasts ago, and we entertained that question.

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Speaker 1: This someone on the position side is someone who probably

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Speaker 1: won't be here August first. Neil Walker was acquired this offseason.

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Speaker 1: One of the nicest guys in baseball, one of the

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Speaker 1: most versatile. He's become versatile over the ending of last

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Speaker 1: parts of his career, and he's hitting really well, really

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Speaker 1: well his last seven games. This is a slash average

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Speaker 1: And you know, you might say, okay, well that's seven

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Speaker 1: games all right. Over his last fifteen games average four

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Speaker 1: hundred nine walks to six k's. That's translating to a

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Speaker 1: the year right now, he's two eighty nine, three eighty two,

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Speaker 1: four forty three, three home runs, fourteen walks to twenty

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Speaker 1: people understand that veterans on a one year deal. I

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Speaker 1: think even they do. When you sign with the rebuilding team,

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Speaker 1: flipped like Cameron Mayven did, like Brad Ziegler did that.

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Speaker 1: This is what happens when you produce and then at

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Speaker 1: the end of the you know, at the end of

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Speaker 1: the transaction, no one, no one's upset the team who

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Speaker 1: gave up something for a Neil Walker, right, A hypothetical

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Speaker 1: Marlins in a non competitive year because they're rebuilding, get

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Speaker 1: an asset, a future asset for Neil Walker, and Neil

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Speaker 1: Walker gets to go play on a playoff contending team. Right,

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Speaker 1: we always feel bad this individual gets assigned here, acquired,

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Speaker 1: a competitive team. And that's what we all want, right,

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Speaker 1: is wins. We all want the money, sure, whatever, But

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Speaker 1: his career, he's fine there, I would assume. So then

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Speaker 1: all right, Nick Anderson very different position than Neil Walker.

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Speaker 1: When we're talking about how he looks in the outlook

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Speaker 1: him to start a game in shortstop, not a problem,

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Speaker 1: getting a chance because number one Lewis Brinton got demoted,

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Speaker 1: Why is that a good transition? Well, for those that

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Speaker 1: pitching in the draft. This would be a very very

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Speaker 1: pessimistic podcast because there's no pitching. Baseball America just released

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Speaker 1: an article for this year saying that if you are

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Speaker 1: a team looking for pitching, good luck find it elsewhere,

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Speaker 1: because you're not going to find in the draft. There's pieces,

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Speaker 1: of course, there are there, always pieces, Lodolo Espiano, there's pieces,

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Speaker 1: all right. No one's saying that there aren't, but not

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Speaker 1: when you compare it to the hitting of this draft.

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Speaker 1: This draft runs six, seven, eight hitters deep before you

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Speaker 1: get to really the first slot where you could see

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Speaker 1: a picture being taken. This draft, Baseball America has sent

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Speaker 1: out multiple times, and I believe fangrafts there is a

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Speaker 1: blog about this one as well. The top five hitters

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Speaker 1: in this draft could have gone number one, two, or

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Speaker 1: three in a bunch of the drafts over the last

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Speaker 1: ten years. That's how good this draft is. When it

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Speaker 1: comes to hitting, which is what the Marlins need. That's

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Speaker 1: how good this draft is. So when you're talking about

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Speaker 1: did the Marlins get lucky, basically, are we bad at

446
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Speaker 1: the right time? Yep, We're bad at the right time

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Speaker 1: because we need hitting and these next two drafts are

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Speaker 1: loaded with bats. So what do I see the draft

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Speaker 1: looking like? And I won't go too far into this

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Speaker 1: because earning their stripes again, myself, Ian Ethan are going

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Speaker 1: to talk about this in depth. We're going to take

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Speaker 1: an entire episode and make it about the draft. Okay,

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Speaker 1: but what do I see at least the top four

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Speaker 1: picks looking like number one? It's it's ADLEI Rushman's, it's

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Speaker 1: the catcher. I mean, it just is. You know, if

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Speaker 1: they somehow fall in love with Bobby Way and we'll

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Speaker 1: talk about him a second, then maybe that's who the

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Speaker 1: Oriels take first. But the pick should be should be

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Speaker 1: it should be Adlee. I mean, he is one of

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Speaker 1: the more advanced bats that you're gonna see come out

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Speaker 1: of college this entire decade. Sixty hit tool, sixty power tool.

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Speaker 1: He's a lite behind the plate as well. He is

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Speaker 1: what a one to one looks like. Right, so you

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Speaker 1: can you can take Adley off the board because he's

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Speaker 1: not going to be there for second. I would assume

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Speaker 1: that the Royals probably take Bobby wit Junior. At this

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Speaker 1: time last year, Bobby wit Junior was the Xeon Williamson,

468
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Speaker 1: the Lebron James of baseball. Seriously, everyone was, okay, we

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Speaker 1: need a tank for Wit. Tank for Wick, suck for Wit,

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Speaker 1: whatever the case is. Everyone wanted to be number one,

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Speaker 1: to take Wit because no one saw Adley Rushman coming in. Well,

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Speaker 1: Wit is still that player. It's just that, you know,

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Speaker 1: freaking Rushman decided to just light the world on fire,

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Speaker 1: and he's gonna end up being the one to one

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Speaker 1: most likely. But Wit is that generational prep player. He

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Speaker 1: plays shortstop and he is this phenomenal he'll probably be

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Speaker 1: number two, so it is not there for number four.

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Speaker 1: Then we get to number three of the White Sox.

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Speaker 1: And here's where really really truly gets interesting. The White

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Speaker 1: Sox should take Andrew Vaughn. Here, Andrew Vaughn is a

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Speaker 1: first baseman. He's in college California. His hit is a sixty,

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Speaker 1: his power is a sixty. You're not drafting him for

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Speaker 1: his defense, so don't worry about his defense. You're drafting

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Speaker 1: him because he has one of the more advanced bats

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Speaker 1: that have come out of college in this last decade.

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Speaker 1: If Adleie wasn't in this draft because he's this generational player,

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Speaker 1: then Vaughn would be the most advanced bat right now.

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Speaker 1: Vonn is someone who you can see getting to the majors,

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Speaker 1: even within I know sounds crazy, but a year and

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Speaker 1: a half of being drafted two years, the White Sox

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Speaker 1: should take him. But hopefully they don't listen to this podcast,

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Speaker 1: and hopefully they go with what some of the reports

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Speaker 1: are saying out there, which is that they really really

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Speaker 1: like the shortstop from high school c J. Abrams. C J.

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Speaker 1: Abrams was paired last year. He's a lefty, was paired

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Speaker 1: last year with Wit as the generational shortstops of the future.

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Speaker 1: Right when you're thinking about the ridiculous class of shortstops

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Speaker 1: in the major league level right now, they Wit and

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Speaker 1: Abrams were compared to those guys like this was the

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Speaker 1: class that was going to set up the future of

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Speaker 1: shortstops for major League baseball. He's a prep bat right

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Speaker 1: and his grades from multiple sites right now really vary

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Speaker 1: when it comes to his hit tool, but his fifty

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Speaker 1: to fifty five very limited power no one, No one

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Speaker 1: has him over a forty five with power, but he's

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Speaker 1: elite fast seventy five. He has a good arm, good

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Speaker 1: glove in short overall, just again, it could be a

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Speaker 1: generational type player. Those are your top four right rushman

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Speaker 1: who's going to be gone, Wit Junior, who's likely going

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Speaker 1: to be gone Vaughn, and then Abrams, and then the

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Speaker 1: other person that I would want you to look at

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Speaker 1: right now is JJ. JJ Bluday is a left handed

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Speaker 1: outfielder from Vanderbilt which has connections to the Marlins. Fifty

514
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Speaker 1: five hit, fifty five power and average to above average defense.

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Speaker 1: This is the advanced bat that you look at to

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Speaker 1: take at four if Vaughn is not there, if Vaughn

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Speaker 1: is there, Rather, if the White Sox fall in love

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Speaker 1: with Abrams and they take Abrams from my mouth to

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Speaker 1: the ear of God, take Abrams, White Sox, then the

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Speaker 1: Marlins and their fan base should rejoice because the Marlins

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Speaker 1: can go up there and take Andrew vaugh and find

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Speaker 1: their future first baseman or DH, because I believe the

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Speaker 1: DH is coming to National League within two to three years,

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Speaker 1: and you just you run to the podium, like you say,

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Speaker 1: bolted up there and you take Andrew va On. If

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Speaker 1: Andrew v On is not there, I believe it comes

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Speaker 1: down basically to the three players C J. Abrams, which

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Speaker 1: we went over, JJ Bluday, which we went over, or

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Speaker 1: Hunter Bishop, which is another outfielder with an other advanced bat.

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Speaker 1: He is also in college. Or actually, yes, he's also

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Speaker 1: in college in Arizona State. One of those three, one

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Speaker 1: of those four, I'll say, if Vonn is there, you

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Speaker 1: take him. But if not, one of those three will

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Speaker 1: be the pick. Abrams, Balladey or Bishop. If I was,

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Speaker 1: you know, GM Danny right, If not, I have no idea.

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Speaker 1: There are other names that Riley Green is a really

537
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Speaker 1: advanced prep bat. You know, Ian is going to talk

538
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Speaker 1: a lot about Bryson Scott with very good reason. He

539
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: is an advanced bat, shortstop college level. Josh Young is

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Speaker 1: an infielder, likely a third baseman, also advanced. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's there's options there, there are options there, and then

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Speaker 1: you know, you could maybe talk about Nick Lodolo. That's

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Speaker 1: the first arm that I think will come off the

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Speaker 1: come off the draft board. But with me, it's very simple.

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Speaker 1: I'm here to talk about bats, bats, bats because that's

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Speaker 1: what the Marlins need and because that's what this draft

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Speaker 1: is all about. And if you're there and is there,

548
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Speaker 1: you take it. And if not, you're in between Abrams, Bladet, Bishop, Green,

549
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Speaker 1: Scott or Young, and either way you're getting an advance bad.

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Speaker 1: But here's where Marlin's fans can really fantasize and work

551
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Speaker 1: with me here, because I really might start drooling. The

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00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: Marlins are historically bad this year. And while I do

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Speaker 1: believe that they are going to be better, because I

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Speaker 1: truly do believe that they are going to be able

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Speaker 1: to call up individuals right Monte Diaz, Galon, whatever the

556
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Speaker 1: case is, and I believe that when they call up

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Speaker 1: those players, the Marlins offense will get a little better

558
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: in their defense and their pitching will be improved. But

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Speaker 1: if they continue being historically bad every time they lose,

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Speaker 1: Marlins fans that are listening to this, all I want

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Speaker 1: you to do is go look up the latest Spencer

562
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: Torkulsen stats like therapy. If they lose and you're sad,

563
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: go look up Spencer torkleson. If they lose and you're sad,

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00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,719
Speaker 1: go look up Spencer Torklsen on Twitter. Go look up

565
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: tank for Torque because this is the generational bat that

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Speaker 1: will change the Miami Marlins organization if they get the

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Speaker 1: number one pick next year. The way that the Orioles

568
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: feel about Rushman right now is the way that you

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00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: and I should be feeling about Spencer Torkelsen. And may

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00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: be very clear here and much much more excited than

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Speaker 1: they are. Torkosen is the most advanced bat that has

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Speaker 1: come out of college over the last ten years. And

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Speaker 1: that's not my opinion. Just filth, just filthy. Now you

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Speaker 1: might be asking yourself, well, if we get Andrew vaugh

575
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Speaker 1: do we also get Torkosen? Right, Torkulsen is a rather

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Speaker 1: tall well, he's six one two twenty might be limited

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Speaker 1: to first base, even though he's played other positions in

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Speaker 1: his career. I say that you get the best, the

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Speaker 1: best bat available in each draft, and you run to

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Speaker 1: the to the to the front, to the commissioner, to

581
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Speaker 1: whoever's they, and you give him the envelope. And in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two, you put out a

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Speaker 1: lineup with Andrew Vaughan right in front or right behind

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Speaker 1: Spencer Torkelsen, and you say hello to the nlast division champs,

585
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Speaker 1: over and over and over and over again. And if

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Speaker 1: I sound crazy, I understand, But these guys, especially Torque,

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Speaker 1: it'll make losing feel so good This year. This year,

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Speaker 1: he has eighteen home runs. Eighteen home runs in forty

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Speaker 1: seven games. He's hitting three point fifty five, getting on

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Speaker 1: base forty five percent of the time, slugging seven hundred

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Speaker 1: per seven hundred, that's who you draft next year with

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Speaker 1: a one to one. So to answer the question about

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Speaker 1: whether tanking or rebuilding or losing is going to be

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Speaker 1: beneficial right now, the answer is yes, because the answer

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Speaker 1: is yes to the second question of is it being

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Speaker 1: done at the right time. Yes, if they need a

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00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: pitching no. But if you're in the I don't know

598
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: if you're looking or you're shopping for generational bats. This

599
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Speaker 1: and next year are the year to be at the

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Speaker 1: top of the draft. And the Marlins have hit the jackpot.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about ten thousand dollars. I'm talking

602
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: about the million when they lose. Go look up Spencer

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Speaker 1: Torquosln the last combo for today. This is the conversation that,

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Speaker 1: like I said, has been requested a lot of times

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Speaker 1: and I've stayed away from and I've avoided it because

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Speaker 1: I don't like having the conversation about individuals that are

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Speaker 1: still employed that, like I said, are busting their tails

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Speaker 1: for the Marlins every day. The question is very simple.

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Speaker 1: Do you approve of of don Donnie's job? Right, So,

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Speaker 1: Dan don maddingly of Donnie's job at the moment, do

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Speaker 1: you think that he'll be retained. He's on his last

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00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: year of his contract with the Fish, and if not right,

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00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: very hypothetical. Who are you looking to target if you

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Speaker 1: were the Marlins. So here's my first part about that.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to comment on his job because QUI frankly,

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Speaker 1: I've already commented on it before. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: that clubhouse is like, and what I care about is

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00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: rapport and the very strategic decisions. I have no idea

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Speaker 1: what the rapport is in the clubhouse. I'm not going

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00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: to pretend that I know, because I'm not that kind

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Speaker 1: of person. What I have criticized before, I will continue

622
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: to criticize. I think that they messed up Brinston's development.

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Speaker 1: He did his part in it, but I think that

624
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: where he was being hit, how he was being utilized

625
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: was a joke. I think that some of the prospects

626
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: being called up and hitting seventh and eighth is also

627
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: a joke. I think this concept of sometimes over using

628
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: the pen arms to like to death, but then baby

629
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Speaker 1: wrapping some of the starting pitcher's arm is not the

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00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: way that I would go about it. But that's fine.

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Speaker 1: I'm not the coach Donnie is, and he's you know,

632
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Speaker 1: one of the best minds in baseball. So if he

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Speaker 1: sticks around and I think he could, like why not,

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Speaker 1: I understand, then good. I'm not going to be I'm

635
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Speaker 1: not going to be complaining about that. If he buys

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Speaker 1: into this rebuild, which it seems like he has from

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Speaker 1: a quote I'm about to tell you, I'm about to

638
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: share with you. And if the team is behind him,

639
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: and you know, the prospects coming up don't need a

640
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: fresh start, and management is on the same side, okay,

641
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: all right, then so be it. Someone actually asked him

642
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: this recently. MLB dot Com reported and this was he

643
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: was asked on if he was going to be with

644
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: the Marlins when they actually start contending, right, and Manningly

645
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: apparently laughed and he said, quote, that's a question for

646
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: another time, but either or, I still think the organization

647
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: is going to be in a good spot. The main

648
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: thing is I would love to see I would love

649
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: to see it through, but that is not my decision.

650
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: No matter what happens with me, the organization is going

651
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: in the right direction. End quote. It's a beautiful quote, right,

652
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: And there's a level of transparency there. He didn't just

653
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: deflect it. There was some level of listen. I would

654
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: love to see it through. That fragment sticks with me.

655
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: That's a man who's saying, I know I'm in jeopardy.

656
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: I know it's the last year, but I want to

657
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: see it through. And if Jeter and Sherman and the

658
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: rest of the ownership group agree, then I'm okay with that.

659
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that because it means that they made

660
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: their assessment and he's seeing it through. And I'll add

661
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: one thing here before I go to what the hypothetical

662
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: is of who I would target if he doesn't see

663
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: it through. If this hypothetical occurs and he's no longer

664
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: the manager next year right, because I get it, next

665
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: year would be a good time to make a change.

666
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: And if his contract, a lot of prospects are coming up.

667
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: It's going to be a fresh new start for a

668
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: fresh new face. Let a new leader come in. I

669
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 1: would love for him to still be in the Morn's organization,

670
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 1: an advisor and executive. Just let him see it through.

671
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that. As a matter of fact, I

672
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: would hope for that. But if he doesn't as a

673
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: manager at least, then who would I target? Well? Number one,

674
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: let me tell you what I'm looking for, and what

675
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: I'm looking for is not to set the world on

676
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: fire with this brand new managerial style. I don't need

677
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: anything new other than what's already working, which over the

678
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: last five to ten years have been the following. The

679
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: new hires right instantly have been able to have this

680
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: element of rapport. Like it's suddenly suddenly, executives and people

681
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: are realizing that it's not just about a big name,

682
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: or it's not just about x's and o's. You have

683
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: to be able to be leader of men, which is

684
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: just crazy, right crazy. You know, they should have consulted

685
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: a psychologists a long time ago. The cussing, yelling, overly

686
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 1: aggressive coaches. Really, when you look at sports psychology, research

687
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: doesn't work that much. I'm not saying you're allowed to

688
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: get angry, but I'm saying you have to build rapport

689
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: with your team. It matters. Chemistry matters. And I'm a

690
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: big advanced stats guy. I think that's the only thing

691
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: that they're off on that they keep trying to say, Well,

692
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 1: because you can't measure chemistry, you can't measure leadership. It

693
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. No, no, no, no, no no. Human behavior tells you

694
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: it matters. What I've seen a trend on is age,

695
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: age and rapport has gone one on one with it.

696
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 1: The last five or ten years. We've gotten younger coaches

697
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: who've been able to build rapport with their players, saying

698
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: that age should be a variable, but it's one to consider,

699
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: so age and rapport, I want experience. We've seen that

700
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 1: lately with new hires as well. They are ex players

701
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: who have been in the league recently because of their age.

702
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: With the model's direction of analytics department and how much

703
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 1: they're using it, the new manager probably has to have

704
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: an understanding of advanced stats. But I won't pretend that

705
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: I know what these individuals that I'm going to list

706
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: out feel about advanced stats. But I'm just throwing that

707
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: out there as a variable to consider. And then the

708
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: last thing is a question that I would ask if

709
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: I was hiring and this hiring process, is how they

710
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: want to manage a young team, because that's what you're

711
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: going to have next year. A lot of the vets

712
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: that are here right now will not be there next year.

713
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: A lot of the prospects in Double A and TRIPA

714
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: that are not at the major league level right now

715
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: will be at the major league level, you're going to

716
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: be averaging what maybe twenty five years of age, twenty

717
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: six years of age for the entire team. That's something

718
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: to consider. And that's again where age might come into play.

719
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: So what four do I look like or what for

720
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: do I look at? Rather Number one Carlos Beltron forty

721
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: two years of age Puerto Rican which can help here. Okay,

722
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: we don't hire someone and you don't hire someone to

723
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: promote someone or whatever the case is for the nationality,

724
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: but listen, it's a part of the picture. Down in

725
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: South Florida. He's interested in coaching. He interviewed for the

726
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: Yankees job right before Aaron Boone got the position. But

727
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,280
Speaker 1: he must have done something right in that interview because

728
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: Cashman and the ownership group brought him back and he's

729
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: currently a special advisor in the baseball ops for the Yankees,

730
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: So something went right in that interview. He wants to manage.

731
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: He's someone that would be perfect down here. Miami ex player,

732
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: hell of an ex player, as well known as one

733
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: of the nicest guys in baseball. I mean, this is

734
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: just something that's known. He's known as one of the

735
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: nicest human beings. In baseball, so rapport is not going

736
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 1: to be an issue. There Again, Young wants to coach

737
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: intelligent Carlos Beltron. I'm not ordering these, but just the

738
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: first one, Carls Beltromp. Second, Hot Hipposada. He is currently

739
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: already in the organization the special advisor of base bops

740
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: for the Marlins. And you know, it might help that

741
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: Derek Jeter was his best man in his wedding. Now

742
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: I say it might help, it also might hurt because

743
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: you make no mistake about it. As soon as Hot

744
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: Hipposada is announced as the Marlins manager, Oh man, the

745
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: tantrums that are gonna be thrown on Twitter and you know,

746
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: on Dan Lebtard's show or on calling in to the

747
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: shows or whatever the case is. The tantrums. Oh he

748
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: hired the best man. Oh he heard da da da

749
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 1: da da da. You know, if you take that away,

750
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 1: why wouldn't you want one of the more intelligent ex

751
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: baseball players Hall of famers who played catcher for the

752
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: Dynasty New York Yankees, who lives in South Florida, speak Spanish,

753
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: as Cuban and Dominican, and is already in the Marlins

754
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: organization to be the manager almost makes too much sense

755
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: for that not to happen. Three, And this is my

756
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: personal wild card. I guess we could say one of

757
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: my favorites, Mark de Rosa. Depending on your age, you're

758
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: gonna either think of Mark de Rosa as the guy

759
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: that you see on MLB Central on MLB Network, or

760
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: as a serviceable utility man who had some really nice seasons,

761
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 1: you know, with the Braves and with other organizations, Cardinals

762
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: and all that, and one of the smartest guys in

763
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: the game, actually one of the few Ivy leaguers to

764
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: ever play baseball, and at least from what we know

765
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: about him in the of what he says as an

766
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 1: analyst from AB Network, he's a combination. He's a very

767
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: healthy combination of old school and advanced stats, which is

768
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: something that I absolutely love. So Mark de Rosa, So

769
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna think about and I guess because I gave

770
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 1: you the heritage of everyone else, Mark is Italian. And

771
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 1: the last guy which is on my list but I

772
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: don't see on anyone else's list, Sandy Alomar Junior. Sandy

773
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: at age fifty two, which is nice and young if

774
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: you ask me, is actually the oldest of the four

775
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: that I mentioned. He is again fifty two. He is

776
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: Puerto Rican again that might help. And he's also someone

777
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 1: who has shown interest in coaching. Interviewed for the Blue Jays,

778
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: has shown interest with the Cubs and the Red Sox

779
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: when they had their manager openings, and he is currently coaching.

780
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: If anything, he's the one that's most most I guess

781
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: I want to say in coaching. Yeah, he's the most

782
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: in coaching right now. He's been with the Indian since

783
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine. He's been the bench coach. Then

784
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 1: he was the first base coach. But he's in the

785
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: game and he's in the trenches. I think that's what

786
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 1: I was going with. He's in the trenches of coaching

787
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: at the moment. So Sandy Alamar Junior another individual who's

788
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: very intelligent, had a very good career. We had to

789
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: think a lot. Someone who could come in speak Spanish,

790
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: speak English as well. I don't know. I won't pretend

791
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: to know how Sandy is. With you know, advanced stats,

792
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: with being a part of the Indians organization, you can

793
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 1: make your own conclusion. There someone who I think we

794
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: should at least get an interview. So again, Carlos Beltron

795
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: Joja Pasada, Mark de Rosa, San Diielomar Junior. I'm my four,

796
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: but I'll mention a few extra just to get the

797
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: juices going a little bit. Number one is, you know,

798
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: there's there's a really great follow on Twitter alf eight

799
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty eight he he he loves Dave Martinez

800
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: as an option, and I agree with him. Now, Dave

801
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: Martinez is currently uh he's currently the coach of the Nationals,

802
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: but the way that the Nationals are going, I don't

803
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: know if he'll survive because the Nationals ownership just loves

804
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: rotating very you know, Laurie Asque their managers whenever something's

805
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: not working out. So I think Dave Martinez is someone

806
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: who could be on the block and could be available

807
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: for them next year, and I wouldn't mind that. Higher

808
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: a few other suggestions that I got Trey Hillman, he's

809
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 1: ready with the Marlins, and then I got some Marlins

810
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: related ones, which really it's interesting for me the one

811
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: that I gave and others others gave as well, so

812
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: others given what Joe, you know, Girardi, he's been with

813
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 1: the Marlins before then he had good success with the Yankees.

814
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: The whole Lauria thing again, just always Man, always Lauria.

815
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: That's someone who could get a call. And then Marlin's

816
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: ex players, and my favorite at the top would be

817
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: Mike Lowle oh Man. I would love Michael to be

818
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: the manager of the Marlins when next time that they

819
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: win World Series, Mike lol is the manager of the Marlins.

820
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: Oh my god. And that's just my bias, right, that's

821
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: just my bias. I like Michael Loll. I like him

822
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 1: as a player, I like him as a person. I

823
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: would love him as a manager. He's known as one

824
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: of the smartest guys, super easy and relatable, really good rapport.

825
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: He's really good on MLB Network as well. I think

826
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: he would just make sense. And then other people say, well,

827
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 1: people like Conine and Jeff Conine, and I don't mind

828
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: that as well. I think that that would be another

829
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: good option you bring ex Marlins players back in, even

830
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: though again obviously I've already said what my option is,

831
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 1: I've said my four and then I think that if

832
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: we're going the Marlins route, Girlardy is great, but I

833
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: think I would likely go with Michael Lol first, just

834
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: because great would it be to see him host hoist

835
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 1: That title, So we don't know if it'll happen. We

836
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: don't know if Mattingley gets retained. But I will say

837
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: this last thing when we're talking this about this conversation.

838
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: If Maddingly wasn't with the Marlins right now, tell me

839
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: that I couldn't make a good argument for him being

840
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: one of the candidates as well. Also very successful career,

841
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: also very intelligent, has ties to Derek Jeter, and has

842
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: experienced and you know, wants to coach. He's also bought

843
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 1: into the analytics a bit. And for those that think

844
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: he's definitely out the door, I would say that you

845
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: should yield caution there because he might not be and

846
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 1: because maybe he shouldn't be. Maybe he should be in

847
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: the organization, maybe he should have a different position, But

848
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Speaker 1: that's not for me to choose. All I can say

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Speaker 1: a look, all right. So that's going to do it

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Speaker 1: for our conversation piece. The last thing that I want

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Speaker 1: I want to give you other than again, a nice

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Speaker 1: happy Mother's Day, and I want to let you know,

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Speaker 1: just in case you want to follow him, that we

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Speaker 1: are scheduled to have a guest next week. Tony Valdez

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Speaker 1: is a lifelong Marlins fan and has a lot of

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Speaker 1: insight to give on the Marlins, on the changes, on

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Speaker 1: what the rebuild has looked like, what the rebranding was

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Speaker 1: that initial conversation of the rebranding. Was it too Hispanic centric?

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Speaker 1: Was it to Miami geographic centric. He has a lot

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Speaker 1: for us that he's going to offer us. So he's

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Speaker 1: going to be with us if everything goes according to

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Speaker 1: plan next next week. If you want to give him

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Speaker 1: a follow again, his name is Tony Valdez. He's at

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Speaker 1: Tony t O n Y then Damie or Dommy d

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Speaker 1: A m Y one six two seven, So again at

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Speaker 1: Tony Damie sixteen twenty seven at Twitter. Go ahead and

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Speaker 1: give him a follow. He'll be on the show with

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Speaker 1: us next week one more time. Happy Mother's Day and Mama,

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Speaker 1: I love you, go Fish love you.