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Speaker 1: Welcome into the lounge presented by DraftKings. The Ravens suffered

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Speaker 1: a frustrating twenty three to twenty loss to the Buffalo

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Speaker 1: Bills and Week four at home, another blown lead Garrett

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Speaker 1: uh seventeen points this time not one, So there's that

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Speaker 1: uh more of a slow drip of a lost lead

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Speaker 1: than the shocker of the fourth quarter against the Dolphins.

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Speaker 1: But painful nonetheless, because you pile on the pain from

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Speaker 1: the Dolphins game. Oh, when you pile on some of

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Speaker 1: that you know, pain from last year with the failed

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Speaker 1: two point conversions to win the game, attack on some

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Speaker 1: the screamed Sunday of of death. And that's what this

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Speaker 1: one feels like. Just um oh and oh wait and sprinkle.

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Speaker 1: Here's the sprinkles on top of the Sunday some some

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Speaker 1: bad officiating that just you know, really gets sticks it

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Speaker 1: to you. Those are the nice little sprinkles on top.

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Speaker 1: So just a rough, rough loss in week four for

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Speaker 1: the Ravens uh. And we're here to break it all

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Speaker 1: down and you know, sharing the misery, sharing the misery

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Speaker 1: with everybody and maybe point out something that's not so

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Speaker 1: miserable thing. Yeah along the way. Yeah, we um, as

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Speaker 1: you would probably guess, we got a lot of emails

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Speaker 1: over the course of the last you know, twenty four hours,

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Speaker 1: uh really like twelve hours since that game ended, and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get to some of those today. You guys

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Speaker 1: can always email us at the Lounge at Ravens dot

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Speaker 1: NFL dot net. You know, it's disappointing coming into this.

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Speaker 1: You know, this is our four hundredth episode of the Lounge.

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Speaker 1: It's a big number. I've been doing this for for

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Speaker 1: several years now, and this is the four episode. And uh,

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Speaker 1: actually Christopher Wells email at us as that happy four

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Speaker 1: hundredth episode. I wish we had a big win to

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Speaker 1: go along with this big episode, but it wasn't in

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Speaker 1: the cards. He was in the stadium and the fans

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Speaker 1: really brought it um, So we're gonna get through. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for the email, Chris. Unfortunately, it's not really a celebrate

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Speaker 1: for a occasion here on the line. It's not a

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Speaker 1: sizing up four hund it's not a sizeing up four hundred.

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Speaker 1: The mood is a little down this morning, and I

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Speaker 1: know Ravens fans are feeling that as well. So uh,

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Speaker 1: sorry that we can't be um, you know, sizing them up,

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Speaker 1: popping the champagne here on this Monday morning, for sure,

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Speaker 1: for sure. So so Garrett, um, let's dive into it.

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Speaker 1: Let's you know what, we usually start on the offensive

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Speaker 1: of the ball. Okay, because yesterday the defense started hot,

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Speaker 1: Like give them some credit, right, Like, I know that

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Speaker 1: a lot of people out there are kind of railing

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Speaker 1: last night and really kind of looked through the play

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Speaker 1: by play and went over every drive to say, okay,

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Speaker 1: let's let's remember how this game played out. The defense

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Speaker 1: really set the offense up for a lot of success

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Speaker 1: early in this game, right, I mean, Marlon Humphrey picks

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Speaker 1: They started the four, Okay, So Ravens punched in early touchdown.

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Speaker 1: They're up seven nothing, right, but Bills go down and

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Speaker 1: get a field goal. Offense has its best drive in

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Speaker 1: to three. Then defense again with a turnover darf o

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Speaker 1: The chinks in the armor started right there where you're like, okay,

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Speaker 1: And for the defense, I mean, the Bills come back

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Speaker 1: about three minutes left, right, and they had a chance.

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Speaker 1: saw somebody tweeting about this and the Ravens. The Bills

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Speaker 1: which wasn't obvious watching the playback, obvious defensive past interference

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Speaker 1: And you know it's I think that like this season

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Speaker 1: you're feeling against the Bills and you're just you're you're

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Speaker 1: That's how I felt. Now, I don't know how the

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Speaker 1: Chuck Clark said that at halftime, everybody's like, we have

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Speaker 1: But offensively, the Ravens also in this game end the

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Speaker 1: is that a win for the defense? Well, and Josh Allen, right,

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Speaker 1: you old Josh Allen. If you go into the game,

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Speaker 1: two hundred and thirteen yards, one touchdown, one pick. Oh,

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Speaker 1: and and Stefon Diggs, the leading receiver in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna hold him too. Four catches for sixty two. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: two sided. Okay, M ANDT Bank Stadium would have been

428
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Speaker 1: rock And maybe you play with a different kind of

429
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Speaker 1: swagger with a lead instead of being tied and you're

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Speaker 1: frustrated about how that last play game or how that

431
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Speaker 1: last drive ended for the Ravens and all that. Different

432
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Speaker 1: different vibes in the stadium and maybe a different feeling

433
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Speaker 1: for the defense having a lead. But the Bills also

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Speaker 1: would have been playing with an extra down, right, and

435
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Speaker 1: they still marched the length of the field. Right, Yeah,

436
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Speaker 1: that's the case. I mean, that's the case that basically

437
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Speaker 1: it's like the case and I understand this like that

438
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Speaker 1: like the right decision was to go for the touchdown.

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Speaker 1: Is like, well, the Bills got the ball bag and

440
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Speaker 1: they had to they had to try hard not to

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Speaker 1: score a touchdown they were getting they were they were

442
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Speaker 1: avoiding scoring a touchdown. They got down to the one

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Speaker 1: and they weren't. That was it. So you know the

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Speaker 1: case that like, oh, if you would have given them

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Speaker 1: three points, well then the defense would have stopped him

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Speaker 1: and you would have won, or at worst you would

447
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Speaker 1: have gone in overtime. Well, the defense didn't stop them

448
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Speaker 1: on that situation. They just marched down the field scored touchdown,

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Speaker 1: or they could have scored a touchdown, which we wanted

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Speaker 1: them to score touchdown, they couldn't um and then and

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Speaker 1: then they end up kicking a field goal. So that

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Speaker 1: that's the case that it's like, all right, it was

453
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Speaker 1: the right decision to kick a fuel. It's a hard

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Speaker 1: call in that situation, and whenever it doesn't work, you're

455
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Speaker 1: gonna get obviously criticized. But when unless be honest about

456
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Speaker 1: the emotions that everybody's feeling today are tap into the

457
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Speaker 1: emotions we felt last year with the two point versions,

458
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Speaker 1: Like had that not if you just you know, erased

459
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Speaker 1: your memory of all the two pointed versions would be

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Speaker 1: in a different boat. But everybody's saying, like, gosh, we

461
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Speaker 1: keep going for this and it keeps not working. What

462
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Speaker 1: are we gonna stop doing this? Right? You know? And

463
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Speaker 1: there was kind of the Miami situation too, you know,

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Speaker 1: because you go for it on fourth down at the

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Speaker 1: goal line against Miami. It wasn't an end of game situation,

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Speaker 1: but you know you have the Litlamar fumble on in

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Speaker 1: that play. You also had a one in Miami where

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Speaker 1: you went for it on fourth and one, um and

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Speaker 1: didn't get it. You know, kind of a critical juncture

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Speaker 1: of that game. So it's all kind of combined. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, I I generally, you know, I'm generally on

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Speaker 1: the on the aggressive side of it. Um. This was

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Speaker 1: the like of all of those, I feel like this

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Speaker 1: was the one that I was like, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I just didn't feel great in that moment at that time. UM.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know, if you kick the field goal,

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Speaker 1: you may we may be having the same kind of

478
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Speaker 1: misery Monday podcast here. To be honest, that may not

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Speaker 1: have changed anything. Um. And so it's it's always easy

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Speaker 1: to say when you have a situation like that, if

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Speaker 1: you make the other decision that you win the game. Well,

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Speaker 1: and let's be let's be honest, like, if you're also

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Speaker 1: going to look at this with hindsight, right, well, look

484
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Speaker 1: at the play the Ravens should have scored a top

485
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Speaker 1: down on that play for sure, you know. I mean,

486
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Speaker 1: like the play call was, it was a good one.

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Speaker 1: It worked. Devin dum Navy was wide open in the

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Speaker 1: corner of the end zone pretty much right off the

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Speaker 1: snap comes out of a bunch of formation and he's

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Speaker 1: wide open. He's jumping up and down in the corner

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Speaker 1: of the end zone right. Uh. You know, Mike, Mike

492
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Speaker 1: Davis was also open on the left side of the formation,

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Speaker 1: running a slant right. And so I'm not sure exactly

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Speaker 1: what Lamar was looking at, um, but you're looking at

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Speaker 1: the defensive linement right exactly, he said after the game

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Speaker 1: five defensive linement exactly. So he he was trying to

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Speaker 1: see through that pressure that immediately came off the edges.

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Speaker 1: He faded backwards to try to buy a little bit time,

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Speaker 1: a little bit of time to see be able to

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Speaker 1: see better, and then caught duven A late. By the

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Speaker 1: time he tried to get kind of a fade away

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Speaker 1: throw to him, player had time to break on it

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Speaker 1: and make the interception. So, you know, but he was open.

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Speaker 1: If if if if he was open right if the

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Speaker 1: pressure doesn't get to him immediately, if he steps up

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Speaker 1: in the pocket and sees it quicker whatever, like that

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Speaker 1: should have been a touchdown, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: And so I mean, yes, I'm with you do. Rene

509
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Speaker 1: was wide open and we watched replay and you see

510
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Speaker 1: him jumping up and down, waving his hands in the air.

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Speaker 1: It just makes your stomach churn. But like, but he

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Speaker 1: got pressure in his face and kind of around the

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Speaker 1: It was on the edge. It wasn't really yeah, but yeah,

514
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Speaker 1: but it it made it like a difficult. If he

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Speaker 1: had seen him earlier and been able to to put

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Speaker 1: that throw there, then it would have been a touchdown.

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Speaker 1: But like, but getting pressure in your face is part

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Speaker 1: of the game for sure. That's like, that's that's gonna happen. Um,

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Speaker 1: So all right, I want to read another email. This

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Speaker 1: comes to us from George in Aberdeen, Scotland. This is

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Speaker 1: kind of what you're talking about with combining all these thoughts.

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Speaker 1: So I appreciate George emailing all the way from Scotland.

523
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Speaker 1: And he said he's wondering if someone can help me

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Speaker 1: understand the thinking on fourth downs this year. I feel

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Speaker 1: like fourth and goal was an easy field goal for

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Speaker 1: the points, but we left points out there and then

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Speaker 1: we gave them. Uh, and then they only needed the

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Speaker 1: field goal to get the win. Uh. Go back to

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Speaker 1: the Miami game, there are two fourth down options to

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Speaker 1: go for it. One cost us points to the other

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Speaker 1: game in the short field to score on this coach, hardball,

532
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Speaker 1: not trust the defense. Just seems like these plays are

533
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Speaker 1: going for things and putting on pressure on our team

534
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Speaker 1: when we can just go and get the points in

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Speaker 1: those situations. I know the coaches have the reasons, and

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Speaker 1: I'm confident that we can figure a few things out, um,

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Speaker 1: and then we can go all the way from there.

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Speaker 1: But what do you think kind of you know, what

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Speaker 1: is what is your take on the question here? From

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Speaker 1: basically the question is that this is hardball is not trust?

541
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Speaker 1: From Christopher Well basically basicly like why are they going

542
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Speaker 1: forward in all these situations? Well, I I think that

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Speaker 1: you know, John Harball certainly has a lot of confidence

544
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Speaker 1: in the offense. Lamar Jackson's the team's best player. Uh,

545
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Speaker 1: you know, he's been lights out in the red zone

546
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Speaker 1: this season, right and so, and I think it's just

547
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Speaker 1: it's Hardball's nature, like hard this is the way Hardball

548
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Speaker 1: has been for the past several years. Is like he's

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Speaker 1: going to be aggressive in these situations. And I think, honestly,

550
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: like just watching the NFL, just just like remove yourself

551
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Speaker 1: from being a Ravens fan and say you're just an

552
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Speaker 1: NFL fan. Like these days, it's the offense is almost

553
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: always come back and win it. They just almost always

554
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: marched down the field at the end of the game

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Speaker 1: and they kick a field going to win it, or

556
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Speaker 1: or you know whatever, or score touchdown to win it. Right, Like,

557
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 1: that's just the way it happens. And Josh Allen, like

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Speaker 1: I said, like he's done it a million times, it

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00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 1: seems like, right, like he's been on the other end

560
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Speaker 1: of it. He was on the other end of it

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Speaker 1: in the playoffs, right exactly because I just ran out

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Speaker 1: of time, right, I mean, they're just going back and

563
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: forth that field, right, And so like I also think

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Speaker 1: that that's kind of I don't think that, you know, yes,

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Speaker 1: I can certainly see the takeaway being John Well, John

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Speaker 1: doesn't trust the defense. I don't think that's what it is.

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Speaker 1: I just don't. I think that he generally does trust

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Speaker 1: the Ravens defense. He has faith in his defense. I

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Speaker 1: think he just doesn't. It's almost like he just doesn't

570
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Speaker 1: trust defenses overall, as much like he just thinks that

571
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: the odds are tilted in the offenses favor. I think

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Speaker 1: in those kind of situations when you have four downs

573
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Speaker 1: to work with in today's NFL, it's just tilted league

574
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Speaker 1: wide generally speaking, especially when you have Josh Allen on

575
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Speaker 1: the other side in the offensive favor. I don't think

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Speaker 1: that it's really an indictment of the Ravens defense. And

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Speaker 1: I think that's what John Harball was trying to stay

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Speaker 1: after the game. He's like, look, look like I have

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Speaker 1: trust in our defense to get that stopped, but like,

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Speaker 1: I also really want to have seven points there, you know,

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Speaker 1: so that even if they do score a touchdown, you

582
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Speaker 1: can go into overtime. It's a really nuanced thing. And

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Speaker 1: I know it sounds kind of like I'm talking in

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Speaker 1: circles a little bit, like to say, but I think

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Speaker 1: that's I'm just trying to explain where I think John

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Speaker 1: Harball's gut is. Yeah, yeah, does that make sense? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think so. I mean I think that it's it's

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Speaker 1: like when you're going up against Josh Allen, Um, it's

589
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Speaker 1: hard to I think that there's probably a feeling that like, look,

590
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Speaker 1: it's hard to to keep them at bay as long

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Speaker 1: as they did it well, and they would have had

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Speaker 1: four they would have had four minutes. I mean, time

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Speaker 1: wasn't a factor. No, No, I just like if if

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Speaker 1: they had if if the Bills would have had a

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Speaker 1: minute and a half, different situation. Even if even if,

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Speaker 1: even if the rain had been coming down really hard

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Speaker 1: at that point, like it had kind of dried up,

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Speaker 1: it really wasn't raining that hard. I think even if

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Speaker 1: the rain was coming down hard at that point, he

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Speaker 1: might have kicked the field goal and said, you know what,

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Speaker 1: in this weather, not go ahead. Look, So if you

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Speaker 1: want to talk about analytics, because John Harbo did mention that,

603
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Speaker 1: and analytics are certainly a big piece of the Ravens

604
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Speaker 1: decision making in these in these moments, next gen Stats

605
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Speaker 1: says that entering the play, the Ravens had a win

606
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Speaker 1: probability of sixty seven percent. Had they converted the touchdown

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Speaker 1: and scored, their win probability would have risen to eight. Instead,

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Speaker 1: the wind probability dropped after Lamar Jackson threw an interception. So,

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Speaker 1: again going back to the listener question, you know got

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Speaker 1: the worst of four out of five outcomes there um,

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Speaker 1: you know, now the question is what their win percentage

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Speaker 1: would have been had they kicked the field goal? All right,

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Speaker 1: hold on, So so in that situation, the NGS next

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Speaker 1: Gen Stat's Decision guide has this as a slight ghost situation,

615
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Speaker 1: where going for it increase their odds by one point

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Speaker 1: seven one point seven percent compared to kicking a field goal.

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Speaker 1: You know what's funny is you started that whole thing

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Speaker 1: by saying, now, if you want to talk about the analytics,

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Speaker 1: and I can just hear in the back of my

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Speaker 1: head all of the listeners going, no, I don't want

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Speaker 1: to talk about Yeah, maybe no one wants to hear

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Speaker 1: about analytics. At the lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot net.

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Speaker 1: If you want Garrett to stop talking about analytics. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm looking, I'm looking at the emails, and I

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Speaker 1: can I can tell you that there's not much support.

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Speaker 1: I mean again again again when you when you when

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Speaker 1: it doesn't work, That's that's always how it's going to be,

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Speaker 1: exactly So you just kind of know that, and that's

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Speaker 1: why you know, that's why they say coaches to get

630
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Speaker 1: paid the big bucks. You know, you're they are put

631
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Speaker 1: in that situation where they have to make those tough

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Speaker 1: calls and it's not an easy call to make. Um,

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Speaker 1: And so all right, let's take a break here, um,

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Speaker 1: and then we'll come back and continue the conversation. All right,

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Speaker 1: but you got the Bengals coming to town this week

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Speaker 1: schedule really tightens up here over the next few weeks.

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Speaker 1: And the Steelers are struggling. The Steelers, you know, I

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Speaker 1: still think that they're a good team with a really

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Speaker 1: good coach, but they may be in fourth place this

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Speaker 1: year and there you know, they just may be out quarterback.

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Speaker 1: They Kenny Pickett came in. Yeah, they got feeted every

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Speaker 1: did you see Kenny Pickett completed every single one of

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Speaker 1: three of them worth the other the wrong guy. Um. So,

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Speaker 1: so you you have an opportunity here to basically make

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Speaker 1: this sting go away very quickly. And I'm sure that's

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Speaker 1: gonna be the feeling the message from from John Harbor

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Speaker 1: to the team this week, and that's gonna be something

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Speaker 1: that we we hear throughout the week from the players,

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Speaker 1: and that's true. That's not just lip service like that

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Speaker 1: is very true, and that was I think we already

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Speaker 1: kind of started to hear that. You know, after the game,

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson and other players all said, we've been here before. Uh,

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Speaker 1: we were two and two and you got blown out

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Speaker 1: like the team was about to rattle off twelve straight wins.

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Speaker 1: I can tell you if we had done this podcast

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Speaker 1: of people who did not feel like the team was

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Speaker 1: about to rattle off twelve straight wins. And so you

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Speaker 1: can get hot and you it can change quickly, um,

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Speaker 1: and this week is an important time to do that.

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Speaker 1: I do think that a couple of things that need

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Speaker 1: and then the previous week against two weeks ago against Miami.

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Speaker 1: You just can't have these You you go dry, go

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Speaker 1: dormant for entire half that you need to capitalize. I

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Speaker 1: think they need to improve their efficiency when they get

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Speaker 1: down inside the five yard line, you know, well they

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Speaker 1: do pretty good. I mean, you've had those shovel passes,

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Speaker 1: and I think, I know, I know, I know, I know.

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Speaker 1: I just think, I just think it seems to me

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Speaker 1: like in situational situational football, they have been bad. They

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Speaker 1: have nothing great at the second half. Situational football, key moments,

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Speaker 1: like key moments of games, You're like, all right, this

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Speaker 1: is this could be the game right here, and it

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Speaker 1: just seems like all those moments are going against him.

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Speaker 1: I mean, just like team why, they need to finish better.

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Speaker 1: Offensively they need to finish better. And defense of lee,

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Speaker 1: they need to finish better. That's going to be a

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Speaker 1: huge yeah. And then the other thing I would say

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Speaker 1: on that is on the defense. I am encouraged by

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Speaker 1: some of the strides that I've seen from the defense.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think as the secondary has gotten healthier, um,

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Speaker 1: they're they're playing better. Um. And that was a great

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Speaker 1: Bill's offense. UM. But the pass rush is still you know,

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Speaker 1: which could you know is JPP played eight of the snaps. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: when he gets back, When Justin Houston gets back on

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Speaker 1: the field, you have the full compliment. Maybe that helps,

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Speaker 1: but I just think that you definitely would has you

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Speaker 1: need to have more of a pass rush than they've

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Speaker 1: had this season. Yeah, I agree with that. Let me

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Speaker 1: let me flip it though, before we close this out

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Speaker 1: and say what's going right? Okay, let's send this here.

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Speaker 1: Let's here, it's in this on a high note. Okay, offensively,

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Speaker 1: you still have Lamar Jackson, one of the best players

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Speaker 1: in the NFL playing at an m v P level.

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Speaker 1: He didn't have his best game here, but I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: chok that one up in parts of rain and end

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Speaker 1: playing a good Bills defense. Like, let's be honest, the

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Speaker 1: Bill's defense is just good, right, So like you got

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Speaker 1: you got La Jackson. He didn't have his best game,

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Speaker 1: he didn't have his best game, but he still had

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Speaker 1: like six plays that are We're just ridiculous. You make

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Speaker 1: you go did that just happen? Did he just do that? Oh?

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Speaker 1: For sure? For sure, Like the scrambling away from sacks

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Speaker 1: and completing that ball deep down the field, I mean

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Speaker 1: running for first downs. I mean yeah, absolutely, Like there

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Speaker 1: were some Lamar football, Lamar magic, whatever you wanna call it,

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Speaker 1: moments that like only Lamar does you know? And so

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Speaker 1: um so, having Lamar Jackson your side pretty good place

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Speaker 1: to start. I feel good about that, right And like

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Speaker 1: Mark Andrews didn't have his biggest game, I feel okay

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Speaker 1: about Mark. By the way, still still a dog. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, I thought that dog was about to

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Speaker 1: bite somebody's face off. Oh, Mike, were you in on

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Speaker 1: the Mark scrum at the after the game? Was I was?

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Speaker 1: He said, I'm a dog. I'm a dog and I

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Speaker 1: like to attack. I was like, dude, I thought he

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Speaker 1: front there. I was like, this is if this is

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Speaker 1: what a defender feels like going against Mark Andrews and

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Speaker 1: how intense he is, I would whiz down my leg.

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Speaker 1: I mean here, just that's I'm that kind of doll. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean Mark, Mark is, Mark is like permanently locked in.

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Speaker 1: Um and oh, he's an intense dude. Had a sense

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Speaker 1: of that in that presser, A little scrum yeah yeah,

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Speaker 1: um And and you know, duburne still had like a

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Speaker 1: good game, five targets, four catches. I mean, like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think the encouraging thing J K. Dobbins, who we

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Speaker 1: haven't mentioned, you know, I think he's getting rounding more

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Speaker 1: into forms, scores two touchdowns, like you know, the more

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Speaker 1: of the season goes along, the stronger he's gonna get.

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Speaker 1: Like you know, I'm not sitting here too worried about

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Speaker 1: the offense in general. I think the defense is also

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Speaker 1: like you said, it's making strides. I think it's making

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Speaker 1: strides in that secondary, right, And that's a key thing.

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Speaker 1: Like this secondary and I've said it a bunch of times,

788
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Speaker 1: it's just too talented to be giving up as many

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Speaker 1: yards as it has and that Miami games certainly skewed

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Speaker 1: the statistics. But like I just think and and with

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Speaker 1: these pass rushers coming back, right, like we talked about,

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Speaker 1: you get Houston in the field, you get taias Bowser,

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Speaker 1: JPP gets more comfortable, maybe you get a job Ou

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Speaker 1: at some point. Right, Like, I think that you're trending

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Speaker 1: in the right direction defensively, Like this defense is only

796
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: going to get stronger in my opinion, and better. Right,

797
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Speaker 1: you're getting a lot of turnovers on defense. I don't

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Speaker 1: think that's gonna end. Like, I just think that's kind

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Speaker 1: of who the Ravens defense is what they are, right So, like, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm still my coffee mug still has some

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Speaker 1: some purple in it. I'm still drinking a little that

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Speaker 1: cool aid this morning because I'm not I'm not too

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Speaker 1: worried about this team. I have the utmost confidence in

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Speaker 1: John A. Boat and his ability, especially in situations like this,

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Speaker 1: to get a team unified, get a team kind of

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Speaker 1: pointed in the right direction, even coming off a frustrating loss.

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Speaker 1: Right Like this is why John Harball is one of

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Speaker 1: the best coaches in the NFL, if not the best

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Speaker 1: coach in the NFL. This is what he does in

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Speaker 1: these situations. Like that's John Arball time. You know. I

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Speaker 1: his career. Uh, not just to be a successful coach,

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Speaker 1: but I think that he is at his best when

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Speaker 1: when the goal gets tough. Um. And I think that

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Speaker 1: he's able to kind of rally the guys together. Um yea.

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Speaker 1: And like we mentioned the division and the a f

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Speaker 1: C in general, the whole conference is a slot bucket

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Speaker 1: right now of a bunch of three and one, two

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Speaker 1: like people are pulling away. There's a lot of two

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Speaker 1: and two in the in the conference right now, So

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Speaker 1: it's early. It's week four. I think the Ravens are

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Speaker 1: getting better despite how this this loss may feel. And

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Speaker 1: I think when all is said and done, you're still

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Speaker 1: of the best teams in the conference, without a doubt.

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Speaker 1: And I think the Ravens Klais Campbell said it after

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Speaker 1: the game, you said, I feel strongly that this won't

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Speaker 1: be our only game against the Bills this year, that

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Speaker 1: we will see them again at some point. And you

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Speaker 1: know what, I agree with, Calais Campbell. I'm with you.

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Speaker 1: I like that. So that's a good way to end it.

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Speaker 1: We will have another episode this week. We're gonna be

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Speaker 1: working on a guest. You'll be able to watch that

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Speaker 1: uh on our YouTube channel. If you haven't done so

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Speaker 1: much for listening. Send us your emails to the lounge

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