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Speaker 1: Welcome in, Happy and Thankful Veterans Day to so many

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Speaker 1: people out there.

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Speaker 2: As we begin the Tuesday edition.

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Speaker 1: Of the program, President Trump live at Arlington National Cemetery

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Speaker 1: right now, speaking in honor of so many of the

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Speaker 1: veterans out there. We have a couple of veterans that

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Speaker 1: are going to be on the program with us today,

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Speaker 1: David Rutherford, who is a part of the podcast Network,

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Speaker 1: and Dakota Meyer. Should be really great stories from those guys.

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Speaker 3: Dave Brutherford a former Navy seal with combat tours and

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Speaker 3: Dakota Meyer, a Medal of Honor recipient.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, Veterans Day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of kind of badasses. So we will talk

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Speaker 1: about that quite a lot. We'll take some of your calls,

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Speaker 1: some of your stories as well. The shutdown is officially over,

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Speaker 1: Buck to the extent that well, I say officially over,

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Speaker 1: We've got to have the how also ratify the fact

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Speaker 1: that the shutdown is over, but officially the Senate yesterday

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Speaker 1: sixty senators said this is ludicrous, including eight different Democrats,

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Speaker 1: and the meltdown is pretty fun to watch. We will

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Speaker 1: dive into that meltdown with all of you. As Chuck

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Speaker 1: Schumer is now taking fire in basically every direction, because

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Speaker 1: so many people are asking what was actually achieved here

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Speaker 1: and what was the decision that was made. The House

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Speaker 1: is going to vote to lift the shutdown as well.

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Speaker 1: Buck we had last night, I was one of the

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Speaker 1: guests at a big fundraiser for Senator Haggerty, who's going

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Speaker 1: to be re elected to the Senate next year from Tennessee,

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Speaker 1: and he wasn't able to attend his own fundraiser because

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Speaker 1: he was back in Washington, DC getting the government back

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Speaker 1: open on the side of the Senate. So thanks to

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Speaker 1: the governor of Tennessee for hosting that fundraising event that

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Speaker 1: we had yesterday, but kind of giving you a sense

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Speaker 1: of what's going on. Basically, every Senator had to be

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Speaker 1: all hands on deck to get to sixty so that

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Speaker 1: they could officially end the shutdown, including eight Democrats. The House,

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Speaker 1: my understanding, is going to vote tomorrow to lift the shutdown,

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Speaker 1: and hopefully at that point in time, some of the

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Speaker 1: chaos that we're seeing with air traffic control, with TSA,

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Speaker 1: with many different aspects of the federal government will go

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Speaker 1: to the be tossed to the side. But again, there

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Speaker 1: is no actual resolution here that made any sense at all.

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Speaker 1: We had the longest shutdown in our nation's history forty days,

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Speaker 1: and the actual impact, Buck was negligible. Nothing changed at all.

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Speaker 1: So let's go and have some fun. Actually, on this

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Speaker 1: Veteran's Day, I was scrolling through and our team did

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Speaker 1: a good job of getting some of the reactions that

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Speaker 1: are pouring in on the Democrats side, as they are

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Speaker 1: absolutely furious over Chuck Schumer and the Democrats bending the knee,

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Speaker 1: and I grabbed several of these. First of all, David Axelrod,

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Speaker 1: what is the most lasting impact going to be from

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Speaker 1: the shutdown?

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Speaker 2: Buck?

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Speaker 1: I think it's very likely going to be that Chuck

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Speaker 1: Schumer is in many ways essentially done as the minority

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Speaker 1: leader in the Senate, and David Axelrod said as much,

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Speaker 1: he's likely cooked as the Democrat leader.

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Speaker 2: This is cut five. You know that.

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Speaker 4: Do you think the Schumer could be in trouble here

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Speaker 4: with the left flank of the party.

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Speaker 5: I think he's been in trouble. I think he is

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Speaker 5: in bigger trouble now. I honestly, I think Cener Schumer's

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Speaker 5: been there since nineteen eighty two. My guess is that

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Speaker 5: he won't be leader of the party in two thousand

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Speaker 5: and twenty seven after the selection. Unless it's something really

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Speaker 2: Don't buy it.

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Speaker 1: Buck, you think he's gonna be back, or you just

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Speaker 1: don't think they have anybody else that wants to step

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Speaker 3: This is the game, Come on, how many times I'll

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Speaker 3: put it to you this way. One of the ways

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Speaker 3: that I think you can often objectively assess the other

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Speaker 3: side is looking at a similar dynamic on your own side.

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Speaker 2: How many years.

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Speaker 3: Have we all sat around on the right as Republicans

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Speaker 3: been like Mitch McConnell's rhino, Mitch McConnell's you know, he

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Speaker 3: because Mitch is basically not you know, he's non functional

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Speaker 2: It's just pure age. He's aging out of that role.

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Speaker 3: There's no similar situation to my mind with Schumer. Now,

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Speaker 3: everyone's gonna be focused on something else, namely the presidential election,

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Speaker 3: the future of the party, all this other stuff, and

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Speaker 3: Schumer's gonna play the on the steady hand. I know

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Speaker 3: this game. You know, the president gets to be the

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Speaker 3: next generation of Democrat leadership. He needs somebody like Chuck Schumer.

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Speaker 3: So I'm just telling you I don't buy this at all.

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Speaker 3: But Axelrod is smart insofar as this is what the

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Speaker 3: left wing of the Democrat base wants to hear right now.

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Speaker 3: They want to hear that Chuck is going to be

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Speaker 3: pushed out and blah blah blah. There are a bunch

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Speaker 1: How quickly we went from the Republicans are going to

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Speaker 1: their own party. Oh, I don't know, last week to

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Speaker 1: the Democrat side, I think one of the things I'm

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Speaker 1: just how unpopular he is.

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Speaker 2: But I think one of the biggest things.

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Speaker 1: We're dealing with Buck is there's a profound anger that

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Speaker 1: is out there in America right now. And I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you buy into this. I think it's a

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Speaker 1: lingering aftershock of COVID. I think there's just and I

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Speaker 1: think social media exacerbates it. I think there's just a

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Speaker 1: lot of angry people. And the question is it reminds me.

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Speaker 1: I know, you were a lost viewer back in the day.

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Speaker 1: You know, the smoke monster just shows up and you

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Speaker 2: I feel like that characterizes America today. I like the

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Speaker 3: You know, you put that ring on and whatever sour

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Speaker 3: One of you, Bloord of the Rings nerds, is gonna

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Speaker 3: yell at me for it, but it's you know, it's base.

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Speaker 3: That's basically what it is. Uh, the the you know,

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Speaker 3: I think there's I think there's truth to that, Clay,

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Speaker 3: And remember, lot of this is the game of making

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Speaker 3: so what you want is you want an energized left

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Speaker 3: wing base going into this mid term. Chuck Schumer and

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Speaker 3: the old system man, they're gonna have to stand aside.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be the radicals and the revolutionaries the

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Speaker 3: for you. And you get them to vote, and then

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Speaker 3: Chuck Schumer is still in charge. This is the whole game, right,

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Speaker 3: This is the way they're going to play this. I

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Speaker 3: think that's also why I've got to say Gavin Newsom,

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Speaker 3: he sees this too. We've talked about how he's the

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Speaker 3: likely Democrat nominee. He'll play this game. He'll be He'll

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Speaker 3: be mister, you know, I ran the biggest state in

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Speaker 3: the country, fifth largest economy in the world, and I'm

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Speaker 3: so damn handsome. But if he has to have AOC

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Speaker 3: is the whole situation, this is the way it's gonna go.

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Speaker 3: So I don't I don't buy this at all about

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Speaker 3: how Schumer is Dawn. He's cooked is the term that

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Speaker 3: everyone likes to use for these things. Now, Schumer is

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Speaker 3: a wiley He's a wiley character man. That guy's been hey.

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Speaker 3: He's been in the game as long as I've been alive.

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Speaker 3: He's been a senator.

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Speaker 2: It's true.

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Speaker 1: Look, Harry Inton, I will say on CNN says that

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Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer is the least popular Democrat Senate leader ever,

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Speaker 1: and then we'll have some fun with him compared to

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Speaker 1: AOC but cut thirteen. Listen to this on CNN.

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Speaker 7: What about Democrats nationwide feeling about Chuck Schumer. I think

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Speaker 7: the word of the day is terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible,

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Speaker 7: to quote another Charles Barkley, when it comes to Chuck Schumer.

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Speaker 7: Look at this least popular dem Senate leader ever.

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Speaker 8: I looked at all of the polls going all the

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Speaker 8: way back since nineteen hundred and eighty five. The one

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Speaker 8: was the lowest rating among Democrats. Is in fact Chuck Schumer.

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Speaker 8: Look at this, He's underwater with Democrats, his own party.

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Speaker 8: He's underwater. He's at minus four points. That makes him

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Speaker 2: At least. Here's the other part on this, Buck, I

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Speaker 1: I know we talked about this yesterday and I got

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Speaker 1: I thought that Schumer was up in twenty six, actually

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Speaker 1: because I don't think there's any way he could win

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Speaker 1: somewhat similar to what we saw happen with Cuomo going

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Speaker 4: How do New York State Democrats feel about Chuck Schumer?

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Speaker 4: And take a look here the net favorable among New

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Speaker 4: in his home state, but just by sixteen points. Look

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Speaker 4: at Alexandria Costukretz running way ahead. If she decides to

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Speaker 4: which would be something that would just blow my mind

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Speaker 4: even just a few years ago, giving the Chuck Schumer,

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Speaker 4: of course, is a New York born brand type of guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that those are incredible.

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Speaker 4: Look at thirty points ahead, My goodness, gracious.

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Speaker 1: So the question Buck, I think is does AOC want

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Speaker 1: to be in the Senate or not? Because I think

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Speaker 1: it's going to be hard for Schumer to win a

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Speaker 3: Well, see it would be hard if the election were now, Clay,

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Speaker 3: this is an eternity we're talking about here, twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: eight cycle. Remember it's going to be a presidential election

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Speaker 3: year we don't even know, and you're talking about AOC

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Speaker 3: way she's gonna run for president. So he's not going

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Speaker 9: How does a twenty billion dollar bailout of Argentina help Americans?

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Speaker 9: You're the President's point person on that. Can you explain

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Speaker 7: Well?

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Speaker 10: Can you do you know what a swamp line is?

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Speaker 3: Currency swamp?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 10: Yes, but what what is that? You're the Treasure secretary, Yes,

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Speaker 10: but why would you call it a bailout? That is

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Speaker 10: how in most bailouts you don't make money. The US

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Speaker 10: The government's going to make money. And I would rather

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Speaker 3: Saying you're telling it it's a bailout. We actually made money,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay, Travis, but Sexton Show appreciate all

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Speaker 1: later in the program. We mentioned earlier President Trump at

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Speaker 11: Everything we have, everything our country has achieved, has been

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Speaker 11: And noble men and women of the Army, the Navy, the.

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Speaker 3: In this we're talking about, of course, Veterans Day. That

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Speaker 3: the entire of the entire right, that is like saying

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Speaker 3: the fire department does not put out fires Like this

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Speaker 3: is the most straightforward thing that you can possibly have.

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Speaker 2: And and so I think.

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Speaker 3: What they're doing with the military, what they're doing and

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Speaker 3: how they're trying to get a a vision of the

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Speaker 3: future going here, it makes a lot of sense. And

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Speaker 3: everybody that I know who has been in a combat

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Speaker 3: role or in direct support to a combat role that

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Speaker 3: I've talked to about this, and I know this is personal,

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Speaker 3: it's anecdotal. They like the direction of this Pentagon No,

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Speaker 3: they like what's going on. I'll also point.

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Speaker 1: They're not the guys that are getting the most attention

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Speaker 1: back when I was younger, when the Nashville Predators were

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Speaker 1: remember one time seeing a Predator, Nashville Predator player NHL

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Speaker 1: player bump into a guy at the bar, and the

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Speaker 1: guy at the bar didn't realize that he was like

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Speaker 1: bumping into an enforcer because he's like five eight five nine,

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Speaker 1: and it didn't go well for the guy at the bar.

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Speaker 1: You know, of all the people that you could bump into,

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Speaker 1: a guy who fights on ice skates for a living,

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Speaker 1: you definitely don't know who you're bumping into at the bar.

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Speaker 1: A lot of times you bump into a seal you're

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Speaker 1: in trouble and you don't even see it coming.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 3: There's the quote also on the Department of War issue

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Speaker 3: attributed to Napoleon that in war, morale is to the

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Speaker 3: physical as three to one, meaning the morale of your force. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: is essential. Morale is not just again because this goes

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Speaker 3: to your willingness to put yourself in jeopardy of possibly dying, Yes,

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Speaker 3: which is the essence. Unfortunately, it's a human reality. The

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Speaker 3: essence of warfare is you are willing to put yourself

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Speaker 3: in situations where you can die, and morale and belief

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Speaker 3: and a sense of greater purpose has to be there

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Speaker 3: for that, and also your willingness to withstand misery even

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Speaker 3: when death isn't necessarily at its forefront. I mean, you

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Speaker 3: go back and you read American history, which I love

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Speaker 3: to do.

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Speaker 2: I'll be honest.

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Speaker 1: We were kind of jokingly talked about how you and

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Speaker 1: I don't want to camp outside. You go read, which

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Speaker 1: I've been doing recently. The great book that's out I

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Speaker 1: think from Rick Atkinson as the author. He's working through

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Speaker 1: a trilogy of the Revolutionary War. I was reading recently

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Speaker 1: about the Valley Forge experience.

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Speaker 2: You go back and.

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Speaker 1: You read about what Civil War sold did in camp,

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Speaker 1: what they put up with. You go back and read

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Speaker 1: about what happened during the during the Battle of the

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Speaker 1: Bulge and all of the chaos surrounding the winter that

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Speaker 1: happened in World War Two, what people went through even

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Speaker 1: when they weren't necessarily directly facing death, and many of

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Speaker 1: the times they were.

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Speaker 2: But I'm talking.

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Speaker 1: About just being constantly cold, being constantly miserable. I don't

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Speaker 1: think the average American even comprehends it. And don't even

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Speaker 1: get me started on the decision that people made back

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Speaker 1: in the day when they were in Ireland and they

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Speaker 1: were in England, and they were all over Europe and

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Speaker 1: they said, Hey, you know what, I'm going to get

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Speaker 1: on this boat for the next six weeks, which might

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Speaker 1: or might not ever make it to land again. And

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Speaker 1: you're the disease and the and the what people put

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Speaker 1: themselves through in this country. I don't think we sit

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Speaker 1: and think about it enough. And I think to your point,

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Speaker 1: the morale associated with what that requires, the spirit, the

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Speaker 1: belief in something greater, is transformative when you study American

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Speaker 1: history in that way.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but the ability of our military to have been

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Speaker 3: as successful as it has been is tied directly to

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Speaker 3: the belief that the people who have taken up arms overwhelming.

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Speaker 3: The men who have taken up arms for this country

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Speaker 3: feel in the American experiment and this country, right, So

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Speaker 3: that I think is something that the left undermines. I

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Speaker 3: think the Democrats in many of their policies lost focus

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Speaker 3: on and that is being restored now. But to your point,

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Speaker 3: I remember one thing that I still say this people

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Speaker 3: and they don't believe. Isn't a two out of three

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Speaker 3: casualties in the Civil War from disease?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, two out of three deaths in Civil War from disease.

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Speaker 3: So another part of this is we often think of

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Speaker 3: the sacrifice, because you mentioned the willingness to go through nonsense.

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Speaker 3: We think of the sacrifices of people who are charging

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Speaker 3: the machine gun nest yes, or or you know, running

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Speaker 3: across no man's land in the First World War, or

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Speaker 3: you know, storm storming the hill at Gettysburg, right, whatever

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Speaker 3: it may be. But then there's also the contracting typhus

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Speaker 3: in camp because you're not with your family and you're

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Speaker 3: part of a military military effort, and that's a very

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Speaker 3: real you know, there are sacrifices, including the sacrifice of

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Speaker 3: one life, that come along that can come along with

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Speaker 3: military service that aren't in that clash of combat that

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Speaker 3: we think of.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: And to your point, especially because so many people who

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Speaker 1: were Civil War soldiers had never been living necessarily in

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Speaker 1: close proximity. This was actually one of the benefits that

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Speaker 1: some Northern troops had was they were in city environments,

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Speaker 1: and so they had had viruses and and and all

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Speaker 1: of that run through their their families already. But a

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Speaker 1: lot of people were living in rural places at the time,

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Speaker 1: so you were rarely other than church maybe some rudimentary schooling,

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Speaker 1: you were rarely surrounded by people. And so yeah, in

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Speaker 1: the winter camp, you can imagine how the viruses just

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Speaker 1: ran roughshod through the entire camps, and how many people

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Speaker 1: died completely as a result, and some people froze to death.

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Speaker 1: I mean again, I just think what veterans went through.

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Speaker 1: We don't spend enough time contemplating throughout all of human

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Speaker 1: history and the sacrifices that they've all made, even if

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Speaker 1: they weren't necessarily under fire every day in the midst

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Speaker 1: of the Battle of Gettysburg. Just living in those camps

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Speaker 1: during the winter would have been brutal on a level

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Speaker 1: that most of us can't even comprehend. This day, go

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Speaker 1: read about Valley Forge. I mean, just read about it

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Speaker 1: from the comfort of your warm, warmly comfortable living conditions

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Speaker 1: and just think about how brutally would have been. What's

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Speaker 1: the best? Do you have a favorite historical you know,

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Speaker 1: historical war novel? Yeah, yeah, Killer Angels by Michael Scherer

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Speaker 1: I think is really good. You know, he goes into

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Speaker 1: I'm sure some of you have read it, but it's

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Speaker 1: about the Battle of Gettysburg and he goes into the

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Speaker 1: minds of each of the characters. And then his son

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Speaker 1: Jeff later wrote books that built around that. But that's

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Speaker 1: probably my favorite historical work of fiction. What about you

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Speaker 1: back in the day, anything that you loved?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Gates of Fire Stephen Pressfield about Thermopylae Spartans and.

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Speaker 1: I don't know anything. I'm writing that down because I've

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, it is so good. It is one

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Speaker 3: of my favorite just novel fun reads.

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Speaker 2: Of all times.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Gates of Fire Stephen Pressfield. If you liked the

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Speaker 3: Welcome back in everybody, UH celebrating Veterans Day. Here on

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Speaker 2: Uh, take some of your calls here.

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Speaker 3: Tom in North Carolina wants a chavelist.

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Speaker 2: What's going on?

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Speaker 13: Hey, Yeah, I was listening to Clay talk about the

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Speaker 13: I believe it was the winter of sixty nine. I

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Speaker 2: I heard him.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty awesome. Wow, that is that movie Buck, Thank

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Speaker 1: you for the call, Tom. That movie is one of

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Speaker 3: The package the opening speech is one of the most

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Speaker 3: iconic movie speeches of all time.

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Speaker 1: If you haven't seen it, and I imagine most people

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Speaker 1: have seen it. But if you haven't, if you're younger,

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Speaker 1: I think they're younger people out there that wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: Know about that movie. It's about as good as it gets.

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Speaker 1: We got a bunch of cool calls coming in on

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Speaker 1: Veterans Day. If you're with us waiting online for those calls,

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Speaker 1: we'll go through. You can also give us talkbacks relating

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Speaker 1: to Veterans Day. Obviously a very special day here, and

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Speaker 1: we appreciate everybody who has served out in this audience,

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Speaker 1: as there are.

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Speaker 2: Many of you.

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Speaker 1: When we come back, we will talk with a guy

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Speaker 1: who did a little bit of serving, David Rutherford, AD

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Speaker 1: Seal