Speaker 1: What's that at the bed?
Speaker 2: It's spooky and jooky.
Speaker 3: I'm really sure it's dead. It's coming, it's way Wait
Speaker 3: a minute, I'm ghosted.
Speaker 2: I gus that dayes.
Speaker 3: Pase, Hey boo, it's me Roz. It is the thirtieth
Speaker 3: Listener phone Call Extravaganza. If you can believe it. If
Speaker 3: you haven't been on and you want to come on,
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Speaker 3: I keep forgetting to tell you guys, also that I
Speaker 3: have been doing video episodes. I don't know why. I
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Speaker 3: Those are up on YouTube and oh Patreon. I have
Speaker 3: a new episode this week. This week I took a
Speaker 3: week off from doing paranormal stuff. I did an episode
Speaker 3: about one of my favorite comedians of all time, who
Speaker 3: we just lost, Judy Tanuda. She was also somebody that
Speaker 3: I had a lovely little friendship with and I kind
Speaker 3: of share my experience with getting to know that icon
Speaker 3: and legend and just kind of do an episode of
Speaker 3: worshiping the love Goddess. So if you want to hear that,
Speaker 3: check that out link in the description of this episode. Okay,
Speaker 3: let's talk to some listeners. It is time for the
Speaker 3: thirtieth ever listener phone call Extravaganza on with the show
Speaker 3: Teresa in Pennsylvania, somewhere out in the middle of nowhere, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2: It's middle of nowhere.
Speaker 3: Is it in a spooky way or no?
Speaker 2: I mean it is kind of in a spooky way,
Speaker 2: but not in the normal spooky way, because I love
Speaker 2: the normal spooky. But I am you know, a bunch
Speaker 2: of like slightly closed minded small town area got it,
Speaker 2: which I find uncomfortable. So yeah, but we had, you know,
Speaker 2: we moved to my boyfriend's family farm. Wow, because I
Speaker 2: just had I had a baby.
Speaker 3: She's one, So congratulations, thank you. Well what I read
Speaker 3: some from the email you sent me, it seems like
Speaker 3: every place you've ever lived has a ghost in it.
Speaker 3: Is there one where you live now.
Speaker 1: No, there's not okay, wrong.
Speaker 2: It's it has been consistent. Like I don't know about
Speaker 2: my childhood per se, because I don't remember anything crazy happening.
Speaker 2: I grew up in northeast Philadelphia, so there was always noise.
Speaker 2: We shared walls, so I can't say, oh, there were
Speaker 2: bumps that were unexplained. But we did have a priest
Speaker 2: come to the house for some reason. And my family
Speaker 2: is not overly religious, despite me being forced to go
Speaker 2: to Catholic school, so I can't speak for my child.
Speaker 2: I do not know. I don't he came to bless
Speaker 2: the house. I don't know, okay, but my mom just
Speaker 2: said they just came by and did it. And I
Speaker 2: was like, Okay, if you say so.
Speaker 3: Well maybe I guess it worked. So tell me one
Speaker 3: of your ghost stories. Where do we Where do we start?
Speaker 2: I guess I say, let's start from the very beginning, okay,
Speaker 2: as a teenager. And I'm going to preface this story
Speaker 2: by saying that my brother and I did not get
Speaker 2: along ever. We got into like terrible violent fights from
Speaker 2: the day I was born, and that's semi relevant to
Speaker 2: the story. So I was probably thirteen or fourteen and
Speaker 2: my cousins and I are very close, but they're a
Speaker 2: lot younger than I am, so if I'm thirteen or fourteen,
Speaker 2: they're nine and ten. And we got it into our
Speaker 2: heads to have a seance for some reason in the
Speaker 2: middle of the daytime. So to make it spooky, we
Speaker 2: hung a blanket on the wall. We lit candles. We
Speaker 2: all sat in a circle and joined hands and did
Speaker 2: the stereotypical not knowing what we're doing. Is anybody there?
Speaker 2: And there's a blanket on the window to make it
Speaker 2: dark and scary, But the window was open a little bit,
Speaker 2: so every time we asked is someone there, the wind
Speaker 2: would blow and the blinds would rattle. We all got
Speaker 2: like right perfect timing every time until we got into it.
Speaker 2: We're asking questions, and something happened that scared my little
Speaker 2: baby cousins because because they were only nine and ten,
Speaker 2: and everyone got up and ran out of the room.
Speaker 2: So we're laughing, we blow out the candles, whatever, go
Speaker 2: about our day. Sometime later, probably in the next couple
Speaker 2: of days, I came home from school and my blinds
Speaker 2: were cut straight down the middle. Huh, And I was like,
Speaker 2: that's really weird, because every time we ask for a sign.
Speaker 2: It involved the blinds, you know, explainable the wind blew
Speaker 2: them every time we asked, but it was like perfect timing.
Speaker 2: And so I went to my brother and was like,
Speaker 2: why were you in my room? What did you do?
Speaker 2: And he was like, I would not go in your room. Gross,
Speaker 2: like go away. And I complained to my mom and
Speaker 2: she's like, let's just get new blinds. I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: So we replaced them, and then stuff starts happening more
Speaker 2: and more in my house and my cousins and I
Speaker 2: are like, oh, there's two ghosts. There's a little girl
Speaker 2: who can only be upstairs in the first two floors,
Speaker 2: and an old man who can't really leave the basement. Coincidentally,
Speaker 2: my brother's room was in the basement, so things like
Speaker 2: the normal ghost things, toilets, flushing, doors opening and closing.
Speaker 2: I've never seen a ghost in my life. I have
Speaker 2: been talked to by a ghost, and I'm frequently touched
Speaker 2: on the shoulder by ghosts. So that started happening. I'd
Speaker 2: be laying in bed and I'd feel a hand on
Speaker 2: my shoulder and get like nervous to turn around because
Speaker 2: I didn't hear anyone come in my room, but every
Speaker 2: time there's no one there, and just you know, more
Speaker 2: and more stuff like that starts happening. My brother and
Speaker 2: I got in a really bad fight and we were
Speaker 2: in the kitchen, which had the basement door in it,
Speaker 2: and he had me against the glass door. Like this
Speaker 2: is going to sound very bad, but he was like
Speaker 2: choking me and had me pushed against the door. And
Speaker 2: he was a teenager. He's a few years older than me,
Speaker 2: so he's a lot stronger than me at this point.
Speaker 2: And I'm like starting to panic because I'm like, this
Speaker 2: is it. I'm gonna die. And the basement door opened
Speaker 2: and you heard like the creaky little like rin and
Speaker 2: he stopped because he heard that, and I was like,
Speaker 2: thank freaking God, the little girl ghost is helping me out,
Speaker 2: or the old man is helping me out. And it
Speaker 2: just became like a running joke between myself, my cousins,
Speaker 2: and my friends. I never really talked about it with
Speaker 2: my other sibling and my parents because I didn't want
Speaker 2: them to think I was more crazy than they already thought.
Speaker 2: So years go by, we're in high school. My brother's
Speaker 2: friend needs a place to live. My parents say he
Speaker 2: can live with us, this boy and I hated each
Speaker 2: other from day one. We never got along. Lived together
Speaker 2: for a few years, and as happens, we were drinking
Speaker 2: together one night and we bonded and actually spoke to
Speaker 2: each other, and he said to me, the reason I
Speaker 2: never liked you is because I knew you were responsible
Speaker 2: for what happened in the house. And I started crying.
Speaker 1: I said, what do you mean.
Speaker 2: He said, I know you're the reason there's an old
Speaker 2: man ghost in the basement and he attacks your brother.
Speaker 2: And I didn't know my brother was suffering from sleep
Speaker 2: paralysis and would see an old man in his room
Speaker 2: because my brother and I didn't speak too much. So
Speaker 2: he's just kind of like the confirmation from this person
Speaker 2: who I also rarely spoke to. And I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm not apologizing because my brother probably deserves it, but
Speaker 2: he was. So that was like my first major thing,
Speaker 2: and it was all like, you know, touched on the
Speaker 2: shoulder a bunch of times. I started dating my first
Speaker 2: boyfriend when I lived there, and he would start to
Speaker 2: get he was he hated anything paranormal, and he would
Speaker 2: get so scared and he'd be like, can we just
Speaker 2: not talk about it? I have to stay here too.
Speaker 2: And but you know, he heard doors shut, he heard
Speaker 2: the toilet. I don't know why the upstairs toilet would
Speaker 2: flush by itself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's that all about? Do you think that the
Speaker 3: ghost is actually using the toilet and then flushing.
Speaker 2: I think what it is is it's since I believe
Speaker 2: the energy to be a little girl, that I think
Speaker 2: she was kind of playing around. You know, kids, kids
Speaker 2: love toilets.
Speaker 3: Let me ask you this, did the priest ever come
Speaker 3: back or was he like, sorry, you didn't get a warranty?
Speaker 2: On my belief this was this was a separate house.
Speaker 2: This is like a house we moved into as a
Speaker 2: teenager in the suburbs.
Speaker 3: Okay, so the.
Speaker 2: First house I we like, it was a row home.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, if anything, I remember being terrified
Speaker 2: to go to bed all the time, but I don't
Speaker 2: remember any specifically ghost activity to report in that house.
Speaker 2: This is, you know, like it very well have been
Speaker 2: and that's why I was so scared too.
Speaker 3: And even that they were people that lived in the
Speaker 3: house at some point that the the Ouija board awoke
Speaker 3: in them or you conjuct them out, are like, what
Speaker 3: do you think?
Speaker 2: I don't think so the house that we lived in.
Speaker 2: It was through the nineties and into the two thousands.
Speaker 2: That house was a new build, but it was old
Speaker 2: farm land. So I don't think when people are like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's a new house, how can it be haunted. The
Speaker 2: land has its own age and its own happenings, you know, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't think it's relevant to the house itself all
Speaker 2: the time. So I think me just being like, hey,
Speaker 2: we're welcoming you. Basically, my cousins and I, who are
Speaker 2: super connected, are inviting whoever wants to come in to
Speaker 2: come on in. And then we booked it without any
Speaker 2: kind of a closing, So I think it just kind
Speaker 2: of opened the doors to let whatever wanted to come
Speaker 2: in come in. So and I do consider that like
Speaker 2: a jumping off point where I don't know, spirits if
Speaker 2: you want to call them spirits or ghosts, were like, hey,
Speaker 2: she's listening. Line up. So I think that's that's kind
Speaker 2: of like where it began for me.
Speaker 3: Okay, so it's like a meet and greet is happening.
Speaker 2: It was unintentional. Yes, they came in, and we're like,
Speaker 2: she can't see us, but she sure can feel us.
Speaker 3: In heroes and I's got a shoulder with our name
Speaker 3: on it, That's right. So what then happened after that?
Speaker 2: We moved out of that house. I got my first
Speaker 2: apartment with the same boyfriend, and it was a very
Speaker 2: old building, eighteen hundred's ish. I think the owner said
Speaker 2: it was like a late eighteen hundreds build. And I
Speaker 2: think that I lived in that apartment in a past
Speaker 2: life because I never wanted to leave. I instantly was like,
Speaker 2: this is home. There was no adjustment period for me,
Speaker 2: and it just felt like that's where I belonged. So
Speaker 2: I was like instantly in it. Love this house, Love
Speaker 2: how spooky everything is. The landlord never had the lights on,
Speaker 2: so you had to walk upstairs to the third floor
Speaker 2: in a dark hallway, and I was just obsessed. I
Speaker 2: was there for all of the spookiness. I loved it.
Speaker 2: So I did write a review about this story, but
Speaker 2: I will go ahead and share it if you want.
Speaker 2: That is where the ghost Mary lived.
Speaker 3: So, yes, is this one I read recently on the show.
Speaker 2: I did write it kind of recently. I'm not caught up,
Speaker 2: so I'm only in twenty twenty one on your show.
Speaker 3: So I read this one. Yeah, about the lady yeah.
Speaker 2: Her name is Yeah. She was holding my hand. I
Speaker 2: don't know if you yes. So this was a, like
Speaker 2: I said, an old house. It turns out it was
Speaker 2: a doctor's office through the seventies and my landlord, unbeknownst
Speaker 2: to me, was like haunted all the time in the
Speaker 2: first floor apartment. He said people would come and sit
Speaker 2: on the side of his bed all the time. But
Speaker 2: I didn't know this. So I live on the third floor.
Speaker 2: I'm walking around frantic getting ready, and I heard a
Speaker 2: whisper of someone say how old are you? And I
Speaker 2: like wanted to cry. I was terrified. I text my
Speaker 2: best friend and I was like, I'm either losing it
Speaker 2: or a ghost is talking. And she said answer them.
Speaker 2: So I wrote it down and threw it in the
Speaker 2: living room and left. I was like, oh, goodbye. So
Speaker 2: the next day or the day after, I was trying
Speaker 2: to We were sleeping in and I was like kind
Speaker 2: of half away, kind of asleep, and I was trying
Speaker 2: to turn over in bed and I couldn't to the
Speaker 2: point where I'm like trying to pull my arm away,
Speaker 2: and I thought my boyfriend was holding onto my hand
Speaker 2: and I was like, God, like, come on, let go.
Speaker 2: Oh and I was like, Sean, let go. And then
Speaker 2: I started to like you know that point where you
Speaker 2: start to wake up but you're still slightly dreaming, and
Speaker 2: you can see the room is starting to get bright.
Speaker 2: And I saw a woman next to my bed holding
Speaker 2: my hand, and I realized that my arm was hanging
Speaker 2: off the bed. It wasn't facing my partner. So I
Speaker 2: went Mary, Mary, and it released, and I like backed
Speaker 2: into my partner and woke them up. And I started
Speaker 2: crying and he's like, what's happening? And I relayed the
Speaker 2: story and he was like, I told you, don't tell
Speaker 2: me this stuff. I have to live here. So in
Speaker 2: that building, there was a lot of seeing, like feeling
Speaker 2: like someone's in the room with you, or walking past
Speaker 2: the doorway when you were outside, it would always look
Speaker 2: like someone was standing at the window looking down. And
Speaker 2: for some reason, there was like the one specific closet.
Speaker 2: It was a cedar lined closet, and that closet gave
Speaker 2: me the willies more than anything. And a panel of
Speaker 2: cedar had fallen and you could see into the house
Speaker 2: and it was like my my brain was convinced, like
Speaker 2: do not put your hand in that, because you're not
Speaker 2: going to get it back, Like the scary part of
Speaker 2: the house was in that closet, like, don't reach it there. Well,
Speaker 2: our cat got in that hole. I was like, well, goodbye.
Speaker 3: I love you.
Speaker 2: This is where it ends with you. She did come out,
Speaker 2: but it was just like all the stereotypical scary stuff.
Speaker 2: And then we were walking past our landlord the one
Speaker 2: day and he said, uh, we got on the conversation
Speaker 2: of ghosts and he said, oh, that was my music
Speaker 2: studio and he's like, I would always see a woman
Speaker 2: in a really high collared shirt standing there and I
Speaker 2: would have to like go downstairs.
Speaker 1: And I was like, yes, that's Mary. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: She's like a stereotypical Gibson girl with the high hair,
Speaker 2: high collar. And he's like, oh, that's so scary.
Speaker 3: And that name just came to you in your sleep.
Speaker 2: I mean, my hand was stuck until I said Mary,
Speaker 2: and then she like released it and I was like,
Speaker 2: oh Christ, this is amazing and terrifying, and so all
Speaker 2: the yeah, all the normal ghosty stuff, the door is closing,
Speaker 2: the feeling like cold spots, and but I was never
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a little scary to me, but I
Speaker 2: love it and it's never and everyone always says like,
Speaker 2: doesn't it bother you to live in places like that?
Speaker 2: And I say I accept them. I am like, you
Speaker 2: stay here, I'll stay here, and it's fine if we coexist.
Speaker 2: Just don't freak me out too much and we're okay.
Speaker 3: I don't want it goes asking me how old I am.
Speaker 2: I did not like that, not because I care about
Speaker 2: my age, but to hear it so clearly, it's like,
Speaker 2: this is too real. You can brush off some things
Speaker 2: that I could not explain or brush off. And I
Speaker 2: was like, this is either schizophrenia se or this is
Speaker 2: my new ghost friend.
Speaker 3: So then was has there been one? Since?
Speaker 4: Then?
Speaker 2: I will keep going down the line to the next apartment.
Speaker 2: It was the same landlord. This guy moved out. He
Speaker 2: offered us the apartment. It was a nicer apartment. It
Speaker 2: had a porch. I did not want to move, but
Speaker 2: we lived in my apartment for so long that I
Speaker 2: was like, it's only fair to give my partner, you know,
Speaker 2: he really wanted to live there. So he said he
Speaker 2: would take a little bit of the rent off if
Speaker 2: we painted it ourselves. So we painted before moving in,
Speaker 2: and we were fixing some stuff up and while we're painting,
Speaker 2: you could hear the bedroom closet door constantly opening, even
Speaker 2: though it latched closed, and we used to joke around like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's the ghost closet again. And then we moved all
Speaker 2: of our stuff in and it never opened. But that
Speaker 2: apartment had a lot of activity in other ways, because
Speaker 2: stuff would go missing all the time and then come back,
Speaker 2: like my jewelry would be not where I left it
Speaker 2: on the nightstand. I would lay clothes out and go
Speaker 2: to get ready for work and the clothes would be gone,
Speaker 2: and then I'd come home like frustrated not to be
Speaker 2: able to wear what I wanted. And there's the shirt,
Speaker 2: like right where I left it after digging through a
Speaker 2: laundry basket, and it's right on.
Speaker 3: Top the coast. Let me just borrow that for a
Speaker 3: little bit. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2: I mean I own nine hundred black shirts, so trying
Speaker 2: to find the one black shirt I laid out you
Speaker 2: can kind of dismiss. But I mean it was without fail,
Speaker 2: like gone, and the jewelry I wanted to wear that
Speaker 2: day gone. And I happened to go to a spiritual
Speaker 2: convention and had a reading, and a woman told me
Speaker 2: she said, you have a lot of childlike energy around you.
Speaker 2: And I said okay. And I said I stuck go
Speaker 2: missing all the time my apartment and she was, yeah, ghosts,
Speaker 2: you know, kids like to play and I was just
Speaker 2: like goosebumps. And she said, I have a feeling one
Speaker 2: of these children is related to you. She said, have
Speaker 2: you ever lost a sibling? And I said no, not
Speaker 2: that I'm aware of. She said, talk to your parents.
Speaker 2: I have a feeling. So I driving with my mom
Speaker 2: one day and the woman also told me, she said,
Speaker 2: I have I feel like three young energies around you.
Speaker 2: She said, talk to your parents. I have a feeling
Speaker 2: one of them is related. So I driving home with
Speaker 2: my mom one day and I said, Mom, have you
Speaker 2: ever had a miscarriage And she said.
Speaker 1: Not officially.
Speaker 2: She said, right before my sister was born, she was
Speaker 2: helping my dad. A car broke down and she was
Speaker 2: helping my dad push the car, and she said she
Speaker 2: felt like she peed herself all of a sudden, but
Speaker 2: she looked down and it was blood. And she said,
Speaker 2: I have a feeling I was pregnant and didn't realize
Speaker 2: it and lost the baby because it was not like
Speaker 2: a normal monthly thing. It was like a really bad
Speaker 2: hemorrhage and I said, oh my god. She said, why
Speaker 2: did you ask me that. I said, well, you know,
Speaker 2: like I had a psychic or whatever she was tell
Speaker 2: me that the ghost in my apartment is possibly related
Speaker 2: to me. And she said, oh my god, that's so weird.
Speaker 2: And I said yeah. She told me there's three kids,
Speaker 2: and she thinks one of them is related. And my
Speaker 2: mom got like teary eyed, and I said what. And
Speaker 2: she said when I was fifteen, I had an abortion.
Speaker 2: And I was like what. And I said, I'm so
Speaker 2: sorry you had to go through that, like in the
Speaker 2: seventies of all, you know, like knowing my grandparents. What
Speaker 2: a horrible experience. And she said yeah. And she said
Speaker 2: when I was seventeen, I had another abortion. And I
Speaker 2: was like what and she said, I have goosebumps.
Speaker 5: She said that's three children.
Speaker 2: I said, yeah, Mom, thank you for giving me like
Speaker 2: ghose siblings for life. She started crying and I was like,
Speaker 2: what a hard, horrible Hope she doesn't ever hear this podcast,
Speaker 2: because I don't know if that's inspiration she wants out there,
Speaker 2: like hard thing to go through. And then she said,
Speaker 2: I feel guilty if this is ghost because of what
Speaker 2: I did, And I was like, are you like that's
Speaker 2: the least of the worries. But that apartment always had
Speaker 2: things going, not the closet. The closet door never opened
Speaker 2: until my boyfriend I broke up. I was there. It
Speaker 2: was the last time I was gonna be there, packing
Speaker 2: up my stuff. And I'm in the second bedroom, which
Speaker 2: was basically like my catch all slash creative you know space,
Speaker 2: and I'm trying to clean up all my stuff and
Speaker 2: like the worst emotional shape I've ever been in my life.
Speaker 2: And I'm like standing there crying. What do I do?
Speaker 2: And I heard the bedroom door, the closet door creak open,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, okay, bye, goodbye. It's like
Speaker 2: this is it for us?
Speaker 3: So you think the ghost was leaving.
Speaker 2: I don't know if they were just like we're here.
Speaker 2: Don't be said, like we're still in the closet hanging out.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 2: I don't know that those ghosts were ever. I feel
Speaker 2: like if they were really my siblings, they would have
Speaker 2: come with me. And quite honestly, I wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 2: because I've had such like near misses in my life
Speaker 2: that I think someone on the other side is watching
Speaker 2: out for me, So I wouldn't be surprised if I
Speaker 2: do have someone. But things don't go missing in my
Speaker 2: new home anymore. So I don't know, but I definitely
Speaker 2: that was like a wild coincidence to know that my
Speaker 2: mom essentially lost three babies and I had three babies
Speaker 2: at me.
Speaker 3: I feel like those three siblings. I mean, do you
Speaker 3: think that they just showed up at this time when
Speaker 3: you lived in the apartment and start moving things around,
Speaker 3: or do you think that they've just always been there,
Speaker 3: you know, Like.
Speaker 2: So I think that that's kind of an energy that
Speaker 2: was always there. The person that lived there before us
Speaker 2: would always tell us stories, and my landlord kind of
Speaker 2: never took anything, you know, he didn't take them seriously
Speaker 2: because unfortunately the person living there was an alcoholic, so
Speaker 2: he's like, of course, you can't find your wallet that
Speaker 2: you left on the nightstand. But he would tell us
Speaker 2: that stuff like that would happen, and he had a dog,
Speaker 2: and his dog would go crazy barking in the corners,
Speaker 2: and so I think they were always there, and there
Speaker 2: was coincidentally the psychic, you know, God bless her said
Speaker 2: that I have three energies with me. Why if I
Speaker 2: do have a spiritual friend that's helping me out, They've
Speaker 2: never physically like made themselves known. It's always been in
Speaker 2: the homes related to the homes I live in.
Speaker 3: So wow.
Speaker 2: And then my last and final apartment. This is my
Speaker 2: last one, and this is like the most recent and
Speaker 2: I hold this person like I hold him near and
Speaker 2: dear to my heart.
Speaker 3: Wait, I have one question before we move on.
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, I'm sorry because I'm.
Speaker 3: Remembering now that when I talked to my guest about
Speaker 3: your story that you sent us, we were discussing your
Speaker 3: landlord's music career. How is that still going on?
Speaker 2: Because he does not and has not, as far as
Speaker 2: I know, ever had a music career to speak of.
Speaker 2: He kind of he kind of probably played locally. I
Speaker 2: don't think he was ever in a band. I think
Speaker 2: he's just like a music lover and he just had
Speaker 2: this big space and was able to put his instruments
Speaker 2: up there.
Speaker 3: Okay, God, I don't.
Speaker 2: Think he's ever had He was a while. He used
Speaker 2: to take ambient and then not go to sleep, and
Speaker 2: those are he has some crazy experiences because of that.
Speaker 2: Go home and like try to avoid him because you'd
Speaker 2: be like, uh, oh, he's got he's on his ambient again,
Speaker 2: like let's go in the other way or wait outside.
Speaker 1: But he was, he was.
Speaker 2: He was a very awesome, nice guy, but no music
Speaker 2: career to speak of.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, okay, So tell me about the other ghosts.
Speaker 2: So I know this it sounds and everyone's always like
Speaker 2: it sounds crazy. But my last apartment I moved into,
Speaker 2: it was like I had broken up with my boyfriend.
Speaker 2: I had broken up with my we'll call him secret boyfriend,
Speaker 2: and I was living on my own for the first
Speaker 2: time in at thirty six, and it was a really
Speaker 2: hard time. But it was like this little apartment was
Speaker 2: my safe haven. And I was so grateful to be
Speaker 2: at a point in my life where I could have
Speaker 2: a home on my own, because I never did before
Speaker 2: and I was always dependent on my ex boyfriend. So
Speaker 2: this is like a whole new empowered I'm free. Look
Speaker 2: at me making money, taking care of my off. Look
Speaker 2: at this apartment that I can afford. And it was
Speaker 2: a third floor apartment again, which I like living up high.
Speaker 2: I feel safer knowing that there's many flights of steps
Speaker 2: between me and whatever issue downstairs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I live on the.
Speaker 2: Ground floor, and I'm like, lock all the windows. Someone's
Speaker 2: gonna take the baby through someone. I hate it. So
Speaker 2: I'm in this apartment. It's a very old building again,
Speaker 2: and it feels fine. It feels a little bit weird,
Speaker 2: but nothing beyond like it being an old home.
Speaker 6: So I move in and.
Speaker 2: Every night, consistently, around three in the morning, I wake
Speaker 2: up and I'm like, is somebody in the apartment with me?
Speaker 2: I feel like I can hear talking, and I'm like
Speaker 2: semi uncomfortable, but like, okay, we got to get a
Speaker 2: you know, you're living by yourself for the first time.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's what's creeping you out. And I do have
Speaker 2: downstairs neighbors. But every night three o'clock I wake up
Speaker 2: and I'm like, someone's whispering, someone's saying something. I get
Speaker 2: out of bed. I looked in the living room, I
Speaker 2: looked in the kitchen. There's nothing. I try to go
Speaker 2: back to sleep. And this happened for a few weeks,
Speaker 2: and then there were times where no matter how many
Speaker 2: lights I put on in this apartment, it felt dark,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I don't you know, Like what do
Speaker 2: I write that off? As I don't know. My cat
Speaker 2: and I are sitting in the living room together and
Speaker 2: we heard like something fall I checked the bedroom and
Speaker 2: something's fallen off my shelf. I put it back. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's weird. It happens again, Okay, I'll put it back.
Speaker 2: That's weird. It's always the same shelf. And then I'm
Speaker 2: out to help my dad with something. And we were
Speaker 2: out late and we were picking up a car that
Speaker 2: he had to have fixed. So I come home it's
Speaker 2: like ten thirty at night, and I'm walking up the
Speaker 2: steps and I'm like, what do I hear? And I
Speaker 2: hear the TV on in my apartment and I was like,
Speaker 2: that's weird. Why would that be on? And I called
Speaker 2: my dad and I was like, this is probably nothing,
Speaker 2: but my TV is on, and he said, I'll be
Speaker 2: right there. Don't go inside till I get there.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's a creepy, but also go in and
Speaker 3: like watch TV and just hang out.
Speaker 2: Exactly analyzing, I was ractualized with myself and I live
Speaker 2: with horrible anxiety all the time. So the worst case
Speaker 2: scenario is always the first scenario career. So I'm like,
Speaker 2: someone knows I live by myself now they're watching my
Speaker 2: routine and they're hanging out and just waiting and watching TV.
Speaker 2: So he comes in, he checks the apartment for me.
Speaker 2: We turned the TV off because it's probably just the cat,
Speaker 2: you know, And I said, well, it's probably not because
Speaker 2: my remote is kept in a box on table, but whatever,
Speaker 2: And it happens again a couple of weeks later, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, like this is enough. You're freaking me out,
Speaker 2: and more of the same, like stuff as off of
Speaker 2: the shelves, just this overall darkness all the time, and
Speaker 2: I'm just like, okay, you know, we'll deal with it.
Speaker 2: So I become friendly living there for a few years
Speaker 2: and become friendly with a woman who lives or she
Speaker 2: has an office building downstairs or office room downstairs, and
Speaker 2: I was telling her how I brought I used to nanny.
Speaker 2: So I had to bring the little boy that I
Speaker 2: nannied for with me to take care of my cat
Speaker 2: because I was staying at their house for a week.
Speaker 2: So I had to come and feed the cat. And
Speaker 2: we go upstairs and I said, you know, just take
Speaker 2: a second. We feed the cat, we leave, We get
Speaker 2: in the car, and the little boy says to me,
Speaker 2: did you ever just go into a place and like,
Speaker 2: for some reason it's uncomfortable but you don't know why,
Speaker 2: and you just feel like scared and creepy. I said, yeah, sure,
Speaker 2: it happened. Sometimes it was Oh okay, I said, why.
Speaker 1: He goes, that's just how.
Speaker 2: I felt in your house and I said, okay. So
Speaker 2: I'm relaying this to the woman downstairs, and I said,
Speaker 2: you know, my TV kept coming on and she goes, oh,
Speaker 2: my gosh, that sounds like Bill. And I said what
Speaker 2: and she said, yeah, that sounds like Bill. He passed
Speaker 2: away up there, and Isaac, excuse me, she said, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I found him. If it helps it all, he looked very,
Speaker 2: very peaceful when I found him.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: The landlord told me that he moved out into a
Speaker 2: into a a trailer park and he left his air
Speaker 2: conditioners because he didn't need them anymore because his trailer
Speaker 2: had air conditioning. And I was like, what do you
Speaker 2: mean he died there. She told me that he had
Speaker 2: really bad problems with his legs toward the end of
Speaker 2: his life, and they would you know that that building
Speaker 2: had four apartments in it and they all became really close,
Speaker 2: so she became really close with Bill and would check
Speaker 2: in on him, and she said no one had heard
Speaker 2: from him for a few days, and she said, anew,
Speaker 2: he had doctor's appointment coming up. So I just went
Speaker 2: to check on him and she found him. He died
Speaker 2: in the apartment. So well, I.
Speaker 5: Don't know if he was watching TV from where she
Speaker 5: found him, but he was like reclusive and he couldn't
Speaker 5: go up and down steps that much, so what else
Speaker 5: could he do but watch TV up there?
Speaker 3: What are the chances that you have lived in all
Speaker 3: these places?
Speaker 2: I just think it's because I'm like open to it,
Speaker 2: because I just I really don't mind. So wow, I'm like,
Speaker 2: not that I want to welcome anything in, but I
Speaker 2: don't mind if they're there before me, you know, share
Speaker 2: they were there first.
Speaker 3: What was pretty peaceful too.
Speaker 2: It has all been very mild. There there were times
Speaker 2: again with the shoulder touching. I was sitting and talking
Speaker 2: to my mom on the couch and I felt pressure
Speaker 2: on my shoulder, so I turned, thinking my cat had
Speaker 2: stepped on me, and I was like, there's no one there.
Speaker 2: She said yeah, and I said, something just touched me.
Speaker 2: And she was like, I'm gonna go's like, I gotta
Speaker 2: get out of a bye okay, bye mom, thank you.
Speaker 2: But it's all been like pretty mild, nothing terribly crazy.
Speaker 2: I also found out that he was a carpenter and
Speaker 2: he built all the shelves in the apartment. So I
Speaker 2: don't know if he was like this is where I
Speaker 2: put my stuff, like get your shit off my shelf,
Speaker 2: and that's why you knocked it down so many times,
Speaker 2: but oh my god, like it was just and I
Speaker 2: thought when I moved, I was like, I'm going to
Speaker 2: take these shells with me. And I said, you know what,
Speaker 2: I'm Bill, Bill, and all your belongings you can stay
Speaker 2: in your apartment. Bill, you earned it. So Bill was
Speaker 2: like the most comforting, Like what a horrible time in
Speaker 2: my life. And there's Bill whispering into my bedroom like, hey,
Speaker 2: put on Channel thirty.
Speaker 3: About the store.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, it's been since my early teenage years
Speaker 2: that I can remember. I think it all started with
Speaker 2: that seance.
Speaker 3: Wow, I wait to hear what's next, Teresa check in
Speaker 3: with me.
Speaker 2: I owne nothing's next. We eventually, So we live on
Speaker 2: this farm and my fa my boyfriend's family has lived
Speaker 2: in the farmhouse for a few generations and it's like
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty years old.
Speaker 3: Oh, there's ghosts there. They're just waiting.
Speaker 2: I was like, we're just gonna not. How about you
Speaker 2: move in there and I buy I bye a place
Speaker 2: close by that I don't have to deal with your
Speaker 2: family in the afterlife.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the in laws they want to meet you.
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, oh yeah, yea, there's a.
Speaker 1: Ghost in my house.
Speaker 3: I am joined by Maria, who is in my home
Speaker 3: town of Grand Rapids, Michigan. Hi Maria, Hello. Have you
Speaker 3: ever been to the Ada Witch? My favorite haunted place
Speaker 3: in the Grand Rapids area?
Speaker 6: So I haven't been there yet, but it's on my
Speaker 6: list of places to visit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's that cemetery I want to say. It's called
Speaker 3: the Finley Cemetery. And they say that the aid of
Speaker 3: which it hangs around, they.
Speaker 6: Say, they do say that. Yep.
Speaker 3: So what do you say? What kind of ghost stories
Speaker 3: we got from you today, Maria?
Speaker 6: So I have I think the one that I I
Speaker 6: was debating on which one to start with, but I
Speaker 6: think just from listening to your podcast, the sleep paralysis
Speaker 6: ones are they hit home pretty good for a lot
Speaker 6: of people.
Speaker 3: So oh yeah, those are its? So okay? God, I
Speaker 3: was literally thinking before I went to bed last night,
Speaker 3: I just I don't want tonight to beat the night
Speaker 3: that I have my first. Sleep proalyses literally every.
Speaker 6: Night of my life. So the first time I experienced it,
Speaker 6: I think I didn't realize I was experiencing it. But
Speaker 6: a few years later, my then boyfriend now husband, but
Speaker 6: we lived in this apartment on this one street downtown
Speaker 6: and the town that I grew up in, and I
Speaker 6: one morning I woke up and he left for work early.
Speaker 6: But then I fell back asleep and I heard in
Speaker 6: my sleep Paulsis part. I heard keys jingling and footsteps
Speaker 6: all around my room and I couldn't wake up. I
Speaker 6: couldn't I felt like I couldn't breathe. And then I
Speaker 6: was hearing like really loud, ringing noise and it just
Speaker 6: would not stop. And finally I was able to wake
Speaker 6: myself up fully, and you know, nobody was there. My
Speaker 6: husband was gone. I didn't never see anything, but I
Speaker 6: heard a lot that was happening. And then a few
Speaker 6: years later we had moved, We moved a lot, we moved,
Speaker 6: and then we moved back to this same street, but
Speaker 6: to the house next door, and I had the craziest
Speaker 6: sleep paralysis I've ever had. I was it was early
Speaker 6: morning again and same situation. Woke up but fell back asleep,
Speaker 6: and I heard little footsteps going around my bed and
Speaker 6: I couldn't picture it in my mind anything other than
Speaker 6: like trolls running around my bed, and it was just
Speaker 6: a bunch of little feet running around. And then I
Speaker 6: felt the blankets lift up and down multiple times, like
Speaker 6: somebody was like making the bed. And then I heard
Speaker 6: another loud, really loud noise, like a ringing noise. I
Speaker 6: can't I don't know why I hear that all the time.
Speaker 6: And sleep paralysis, but same thing. I was able to
Speaker 6: like wake myself up and there was no trolls in
Speaker 6: my room. It was nothing, so pretty crazy. Bed was
Speaker 6: not made either, it was messy, but yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Okay, So do you think that that
Speaker 3: is a paranormal thing or do you think that it's
Speaker 3: like a dream state. I don't know.
Speaker 6: It's hard because I used to think, you know, from
Speaker 6: just like reading about it online and hearing other people's stories,
Speaker 6: that it was more of like you know, your brain
Speaker 6: was losing that chemical and it was more of just
Speaker 6: a sleep state. But why was I I had the
Speaker 6: two craziest sleep paralysis episodes. Ever, when I lived on
Speaker 6: that street, so I don't know. The houses were really
Speaker 6: old and they were creepy. So I feel like it's
Speaker 6: a mix, and it depends on the situation. I guess.
Speaker 6: I don't know. I lean more towards paranormal now that
Speaker 6: I had those experiences so close, you know, in the
Speaker 6: same neighborhood.
Speaker 3: I think it's both things at the same time. I
Speaker 3: think that's my belief, Like, I think it is paranormal,
Speaker 3: but it's also something that I saw. I was gonna explain. Yeah,
Speaker 3: for sure, Oh tell me more, tell me more.
Speaker 6: So I had this really weird doppelgainer. That thing happened
Speaker 6: to me. We lived this is also a different house,
Speaker 6: same town, older house, but we were living in here
Speaker 6: for just about a year. And the one night I
Speaker 6: was on the couch and I was just watching TV
Speaker 6: and my husband was out in the garage and he
Speaker 6: had been out there for a while fixing something. I
Speaker 6: don't know what he was doing, and I well, I
Speaker 6: started to drift off on the couch, but then I
Speaker 6: opened up my eyes and he was standing in the kitchen,
Speaker 6: which was visible from the couch, and he was just
Speaker 6: staring at me this like blank stare and he was
Speaker 6: just standing there and I was like, man, like, hello,
Speaker 6: what are you? What are you doing? And then I
Speaker 6: turned away because I heard my dog come into the room.
Speaker 6: Then I turned back and he was on and I
Speaker 6: was like, uh, what just happened? So I called him
Speaker 6: and I said, du were you just in the house?
Speaker 6: Did you come in? I didn't hear any doors open.
Speaker 6: And he's like, no, I've been in the garage for
Speaker 6: the last hour or whatever. And I said, well, I
Speaker 6: just saw you in the kitchen, so are you messing
Speaker 6: with me? No? No, why would I do that? Like
Speaker 6: he doesn't believe in this stuff. So he was like, no,
Speaker 6: I've been in the garage. So that was really crazy.
Speaker 3: I told a story very similar to that that happened
Speaker 3: to me like a year or two ago. That was
Speaker 3: like almost the exact same thing, And I don't know
Speaker 3: how to explain it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the stare from him is what really creeped me out.
Speaker 6: It's probably one of the scariest experiences I've had because
Speaker 6: the way that he was looking at me was just
Speaker 6: like a blank stare. He was just staring into my
Speaker 6: soul and it was terrifying. So Yeah, it was really
Speaker 6: really creepy. I cannot explain what happened. I do not know,
Speaker 6: but I did. And that same house that we've heard
Speaker 6: footsteps of, like boots going through the house, and I
Speaker 6: just got to I felt like I felt like a
Speaker 6: male presence there. I never saw anything, but I just
Speaker 6: got that vibe. So I'm wondering if whatever presence was
Speaker 6: there was making itself known to me, but was using
Speaker 6: that my husband to make it so that it didn't
Speaker 6: scare me even though it still did.
Speaker 3: I don't know, or could it be the kind of
Speaker 3: thing where his spiritual body was disconnecting at times.
Speaker 6: It's definitely possible.
Speaker 3: Without him knowing, you know, no, I hate that.
Speaker 6: But the stairs what gets me. It was like it
Speaker 6: wasn't sure what it was looking at even though it
Speaker 6: was looking at me.
Speaker 3: Because like maybe he was at that time thinking like, oh,
Speaker 3: I gotta go check in on Maria, yeah and that,
Speaker 3: but he didn't, but somehow his spiritual body did.
Speaker 6: That's true.
Speaker 3: That's what I think when I hear these kinds of stories.
Speaker 3: I think that like it's like an astro projection thing.
Speaker 6: It definitely could be. It's it's really weird. I don't
Speaker 6: doppleganger stories freak me out, like just totally.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah they do. But also, I don't know
Speaker 3: how many times I've ever talked about this on the podcast,
Speaker 3: but I have an obsession with celebrity impersonator websites. If
Speaker 3: you just google celebrity impersonator agencies, you can find all
Speaker 3: of these agencies online that are that have pictures of
Speaker 3: people that dress like celebrities for a living, and they
Speaker 3: kind of look like them. A lot of them look
Speaker 3: a lot like them. And that's my favorite thing in
Speaker 3: the world. So I both hate the idea of a
Speaker 3: ghost impersonating somebody, but I love the idea of a
Speaker 3: human impersonating someone.
Speaker 6: That is hilarious. I've never even that was a thing.
Speaker 3: Please enjoy. You're welcome.
Speaker 6: Now, I know what I'll be looking up later.
Speaker 3: Tell me another story.
Speaker 6: So I will tell the story about my first paranormal
Speaker 6: I guess encounter. I was ten years old and this
Speaker 6: was in my very Catholic grandparents' basement. My cousin and
Speaker 6: I were playing the Oiji board and I remember specifically
Speaker 6: we were listening to Mariah Carey on the radio, and
Speaker 6: I don't know why I remember that but I do.
Speaker 3: And do you remember which song it was?
Speaker 6: You know, I used to, but I can't remember anymore.
Speaker 6: But I do remember it was Mariah Carey. And so
Speaker 6: we were, you know, asking the board questions spirit whatever, questions,
Speaker 6: and I remember I went to the letter T and
Speaker 6: then as soon as it did that, the radio turned off,
Speaker 6: and like it was still plugged in and everything, it
Speaker 6: just turned off. And then the basement light also turned
Speaker 6: off like right after that. So my cousin and I
Speaker 6: were like freaked out, like what the heck's going on?
Speaker 6: We knew were we were the only ones in the
Speaker 6: house though, and we could see the top of the
Speaker 6: stairs and we didn't see anybody flicker the light off
Speaker 6: to mess with us, and so we knew the power
Speaker 6: didn't go out either, because it happened like one step
Speaker 6: after another, and needless to say, we ran upstairs screaming,
Speaker 6: and it was terrifying, but I like to think that
Speaker 6: it was so. I had an uncle that passed away.
Speaker 6: I've never met him because he died when he was
Speaker 6: a teenager, but I like to say that he was
Speaker 6: he's I feel like he was in the house kind
Speaker 6: of like stopping it before it got to the point where,
Speaker 6: you know, we got into something that we shouldn't have
Speaker 6: done spiritually. So I like to think that he stopped it,
Speaker 6: and that's that was kind of him saying, yeah, one dot,
Speaker 6: you girls just put that we brought away.
Speaker 3: So yeah, or he just didn't like Mariah Carey's music.
Speaker 6: Or that that's very possible.
Speaker 3: Wait, what is this story about a boy face in
Speaker 3: the window?
Speaker 1: Ah?
Speaker 2: Yes, so that was.
Speaker 4: I lived in this apartment with a couple of girlfriend
Speaker 4: and it was very It's probably one of the oldest
Speaker 4: houses in the town. And she told me one night
Speaker 4: that she was looking out the window and she saw
Speaker 4: a boy's face in the window, like an apparition's face
Speaker 4: in the window. And I didn't really believe her because,
Speaker 4: first of all, I just I just didn't believe her
Speaker 4: because of the type of person.
Speaker 6: She was and.
Speaker 2: So sure, so I was like, I kind.
Speaker 6: Of have to experience something in order to believe you.
Speaker 3: And we all know that person.
Speaker 6: Yeah, all right. So one night I was cleaning and
Speaker 6: I was home alone, and I had put all of
Speaker 6: the remotes on the coffee table in this little basket
Speaker 6: that we have, and I walked into my bedroom and
Speaker 6: I heard the basket sound like it got thrown off
Speaker 6: the table. And so I walked out into the living
Speaker 6: room and noticed that the remotes were, you know, across
Speaker 6: the room like they had been thrown. And I sort
Speaker 6: of panicked and sat down to collect myself, and I
Speaker 6: was like, what did I just witness? I was, you know,
Speaker 6: home alone. So I called my boyfriend and I asked him,
Speaker 6: I told him I happened. He was like, you know,
Speaker 6: you're just imagining things or that didn't happen, and I
Speaker 6: was like, okay, well it did. And so that terrified me.
Speaker 6: And then my roommate across the hall, or in my
Speaker 6: roommate my friend across the hall experienced stuff as well.
Speaker 6: After that. Her toilet seat would just slam shut. The
Speaker 6: bedroom door would open and close, but the toilet seat
Speaker 6: would slam shut like frequently. So a lot of weird
Speaker 6: stuff happened there. And it all started to happen after
Speaker 6: we went up into the attic. So my friends were
Speaker 6: all partying one night and they were like, let's go
Speaker 6: into the attic and I was like, that's probably bad idea.
Speaker 6: And all the weird stuff started happening after that, So.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what did you lage?
Speaker 6: I don't know, some weird little boy spirit.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure, the toilet seat phantom.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and then we started to hear like scratching in
Speaker 6: the walls, and we thought it was just animals because
Speaker 6: you know, the house is old. But now that I
Speaker 6: think of it, maybe it was a demon or something
Speaker 6: in the wall.
Speaker 3: It's probably the little boy of the walls.
Speaker 6: And get out.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 3: Well, Maria, you got some good ones here.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Well, Maria, this is so much.
Speaker 6: I just wanted to tell you too that you inspired
Speaker 6: me to start my own podcast. So I just I
Speaker 6: just started that and amazing.
Speaker 3: What is that? What's it about?
Speaker 6: It's just my friend and I talk about creepy stuff
Speaker 6: and it's just called Your Creeping Me Out. And yeah,
Speaker 6: we have two episodes out.
Speaker 3: But yeah, well, congratulations. I've been ghosted too. Lou Sinda
Speaker 3: in Southern California. How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm doing great? Ras, How are you?
Speaker 3: I'm doing so good. I was looking through this email
Speaker 3: you sent me. You got a lot of different things
Speaker 3: that you could share about. I'll let I'll leave it
Speaker 3: up to you. Where do where do we start?
Speaker 2: Letch?
Speaker 1: I you know, I'm I'm a paranormal magnet. So I
Speaker 1: do have a lot of stories. Things that I typically
Speaker 1: talk about are all kind of UFO, mediumship shuman related.
Speaker 1: But I never get to tell my ghost stories. And
Speaker 1: I have such a good one. So that's the one
Speaker 1: I want to tell. That's that's for you. We're doing ghosts.
Speaker 3: Okay, if we have time, I want to hear about
Speaker 3: UFO stuff.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, okay, we can do that if you're down.
Speaker 3: Okay, what's your ghost story?
Speaker 1: Okay, here we go. So it's August twenty fifteen. Let
Speaker 1: me I have to give you, like the backstory. It's
Speaker 1: August twenty fifteen, and I have just graduated from psychic
Speaker 1: school what I lovingly call a psychic school, which is
Speaker 1: it was twenty twelve that I realized that or I
Speaker 1: was told that I don't just have the active imagination
Speaker 1: that this is mediumship that was going on with me.
Speaker 1: And so I was like, what do I do with this?
Speaker 1: How do I use it to help people? What's the
Speaker 1: ethical practice? You know? And so I decide to find
Speaker 1: a class and there's a woman that like hand picks
Speaker 1: her student. It's a two year program, and that's what
Speaker 1: I lovingly call psychic school, But you.
Speaker 3: Do you do in psychic school? Is it like Hogwarts?
Speaker 1: Yes? And it's so she interviews her students and the
Speaker 1: interview was like this, I don't really know what's happening,
Speaker 1: but apparently I'm a medium and so all I just
Speaker 1: thought like, oh my god, like I have really great
Speaker 1: character development skills in my head and it turns out
Speaker 1: that that might be spirits of actual people, and so
Speaker 1: I want to figure out how to do this, and
Speaker 1: she was like, I will take you. You're going to
Speaker 1: do no mediumship in my class. And I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't know how to do anything else. She's like, sure
Speaker 1: you do. And so it's weekends of different modalities and
Speaker 1: different skills. So the way that works is like you're
Speaker 1: learning a modality like how to read someone using a
Speaker 1: particular something like here's a skill set. And then you're
Speaker 1: sitting down in a room in a chair with your
Speaker 1: eyes closed, and somebody walks into the room and they
Speaker 1: sit across from you and you just give them like
Speaker 1: a full reading. You get no feedback at all, there's
Speaker 1: no questions, there's no conversation, and then the person walks
Speaker 1: out and then you find out just like sometimes you
Speaker 1: find out how.
Speaker 3: You did, Wait a suck around. That's psychic school, so fun. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I want to be like a guidance counselor at the
Speaker 3: school or something. How do you so, do you think
Speaker 3: that if if somebody has like medium abilities, that they
Speaker 3: also have the other abilities or they'd have an easier
Speaker 3: time developing those or what do you think about that?
Speaker 1: Well? Yeah, so, like I'm ten years into this deep
Speaker 1: dive journey of everything that's been going on, so now
Speaker 1: I will say everybody has the potential to be all
Speaker 1: of these things. It's it's just like an aptitude and
Speaker 1: natural talent. Since it's like a musical instrument, you know,
Speaker 1: you and I can learn to play an instrument on
Speaker 1: the exact same day and put in the same hours
Speaker 1: of practice, but in the end, one of us is
Speaker 1: going to be better than the other. That's just how
Speaker 1: it works, right.
Speaker 3: And it sounds like a challenge should be class.
Speaker 1: Let's let's play the glock and spiel. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 3: Wait, that's okay, you're an actual psychic for real, because
Speaker 3: I have a glock and shpiel right next to me.
Speaker 3: My friend gave it to me recently, and it's like
Speaker 3: I'm staring at it right.
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, that that happens when you're friends with me, send.
Speaker 3: Out you're a psychic.
Speaker 1: Yeah well yeah, so well yeah you are. But I
Speaker 1: also I am a very pragmatic gal, right, so I
Speaker 1: am the first to discredit my stuff and just like
Speaker 1: be like no, that can't you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: I need like really solid proof. And so twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: we are in Hungary and my husband is Hungarian and
Speaker 1: we are there with our two little boys. We have
Speaker 1: three now, but we had our kids were like six
Speaker 1: and eight or something, and we are in the wine
Speaker 1: region of Hungary in a little town called egg Air,
Speaker 1: and Aggir has this big basilica that used to be
Speaker 1: like this castle hub. So I sent you a little
Speaker 1: like tourist infos info sheet. What ends up happening is
Speaker 1: that like we're there for a couple of days and
Speaker 1: it's the middle of summer and it's you know, it's
Speaker 1: kind of like a New York summer in Budapest, so
Speaker 1: it's humid and it's hot. But then we go to
Speaker 1: the wine country and it's like cold and rainy, so
Speaker 1: it starts to rain and my poor kids are like
Speaker 1: in like, you know, whatever, little summer clothes I put
Speaker 1: them in. So we decide, well, let's go do this
Speaker 1: like cave tunnel system tour under the Basilica. And like
Speaker 1: historically what happened was it was the castle of like
Speaker 1: the archbishop or somebody. And the way it worked is
Speaker 1: it's all like farmland, but everyone is growing wine grapes,
Speaker 1: and so the town paid their taxes in wine. And
Speaker 1: that wine is basically like was the wine for like
Speaker 1: a of the country at the time. Like, so they
Speaker 1: produced like mass amounts of wine and they had to
Speaker 1: store it somewhere, and so they were storing it in
Speaker 1: these intricate and they're like hand carved tunnels. So they're
Speaker 1: like it's fabulous and there's all these like arches and
Speaker 1: it's everything out of like a wine lover's dream if
Speaker 1: you're a wine maker, because the temperature and everything about
Speaker 1: this tunnel system is perfect if you're going to store wine.
Speaker 1: And then if you're a horror fan, you're just like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is great. This is like the scenery for something
Speaker 1: really tragic and awesomely horrible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like I feel like a found footage movie
Speaker 3: or something that like we're going to find someone's going
Speaker 3: to find a camcorder with a monster attacking someone in
Speaker 3: the Wine Country tunnels.
Speaker 1: Yes, so now keep in mind I don't speak Hungary,
Speaker 1: and so they give me like a little sheet which
Speaker 1: is like the tour but in English. And there's probably
Speaker 1: about fifteen people on this tour. It's kind of chilly
Speaker 1: under there, so everyone's has they give you like a
Speaker 1: little blanket, and they're like, okay, come on, let's go.
Speaker 1: And so the guy is taking you know, the tour
Speaker 1: guide is speaking Hungarian and so I'm trying to read
Speaker 1: along and so I'm kind of now I'm falling back
Speaker 1: from the tour. So now there's like this group of
Speaker 1: people and my kids are with my husband and they're
Speaker 1: listening to the tour and I'm lagging behind. And if
Speaker 1: you see the photographs the one I sent you, the
Speaker 1: tunnel like this is very These tunnels are dug from rhyolite,
Speaker 1: but they also have a lot of limestone and so
Speaker 1: the air is really really clean. And in fact, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of like medical spas in Hungary and they
Speaker 1: put patients with respiratory problems in these tunnels because that's
Speaker 1: like really clean limestone air. And so when you take
Speaker 1: a photograph of it. The picture is super clear. Like
Speaker 1: that's that's why I was like, okay, we need we
Speaker 1: need it is like slides, like a slide show that
Speaker 1: comes with this this story, so you can see really
Speaker 1: clearly down the tunnel system.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm looking at it right now. It's that it's
Speaker 3: a clear photo. Sure, but you're not getting me down there.
Speaker 1: Now. What ends up happening is that now that I
Speaker 1: have separated enough from the group, I am no longer
Speaker 1: clouded by the energy of the group, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: So now there's a psychic lady who's by herself in
Speaker 1: this tunnel with enough space, and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: there's the spirit of a young girl who, like, if
Speaker 1: you see, there's these little little alcoves. So you're walking
Speaker 1: down this long tunnel and there's all these little alcoves
Speaker 1: on the side, and I like kind of glance to
Speaker 1: the right, and I see the spirit of a girl
Speaker 1: and she's probably like late teen's, early twenties, and she's
Speaker 1: super cute, and she's like very bubbly, and she sees me,
Speaker 1: and I feel like we like lock eyes because she
Speaker 1: realizes that I can see her, and immediately she's next
Speaker 1: to me, and as I'm walking, just like okay, what's
Speaker 1: happening here? And she's like, oh my god, you can
Speaker 1: see me? And she just starts rattling off and she's
Speaker 1: like yes, because this is like in my head, yes,
Speaker 1: so this is I hear this in English? And what's
Speaker 1: what's making me like second guess?
Speaker 4: All?
Speaker 1: This is because I'm like, Okay, you appear to be
Speaker 1: from a time far away like you are. You are
Speaker 1: not a new ghost, but you are like prattling off
Speaker 1: like a girl of today, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like she's she's just like, oh my god, and you
Speaker 1: can see me, and like that's how she's chatting, like oh,
Speaker 1: and then and I'm trying to Half of me is
Speaker 1: trying to be like what the hell is going on
Speaker 1: in your head, Lucinda, And the other half is like
Speaker 1: I'm half listening to this ghost who is really just
Speaker 1: following me, And I'm like like, how do I shake
Speaker 1: this girl right?
Speaker 3: And it's like, oh my god, I have heard this
Speaker 3: story this tour so many damn times. I can do
Speaker 3: every word. I'm over it. Get me out.
Speaker 1: She was saying something to the effect like so many
Speaker 1: people come down here and like nobody sees us and
Speaker 1: da da da and we and so what what like? Yes,
Speaker 1: that is exactly because she was like, nobody sees us
Speaker 1: and we are heres so long and and I'm like
Speaker 1: and so I'm like, wait what like not now you
Speaker 1: got my attention?
Speaker 3: Girl?
Speaker 1: And so I kind of looked at her, like I
Speaker 1: side glanced her, and immediately I could see the word
Speaker 1: that popped in my head. So I'm mostly Claire audience, right,
Speaker 1: so I'm going to hear things very clearly more than
Speaker 1: get like visuals or senses like that happens too, but
Speaker 1: Claire Audience is like my jam. And so I looked
Speaker 1: at her and I thought in my head did you
Speaker 1: die down here? And I heard consumption? And she said yeah,
Speaker 1: but that was a long time ago. And she showed
Speaker 1: me like her being in one of these spaces and
Speaker 1: she's sick and she has a high fever and she's
Speaker 1: in a cot and all of a sudden, I feel
Speaker 1: like this like a chill, like you know when you
Speaker 1: have a high fever and you're so cold but you're
Speaker 1: burning up, but you're just like uh. And she says,
Speaker 1: the monks or the priests brought me here. I can't
Speaker 1: remember if she said monks or priests. She said they
Speaker 1: brought me here because they said the air would be
Speaker 1: good for my lungs and I would get better. But
Speaker 1: she died of the fever and I heard consumption, which
Speaker 1: is tuberculosis, and I got a vibe of like eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 1: I don't know, how can I can I confirm this? No,
Speaker 1: but that's like she told me, like exactly, and like
Speaker 1: that sometimes you know, they'll take me through their passing.
Speaker 1: So I just and I saw her there and she's
Speaker 1: like sweating, poor little thing, and I just felt really bad.
Speaker 1: And she was like, no, no, I'm fine now.
Speaker 3: It's just like she's like that was a long time ago.
Speaker 3: I'm over at.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what that was her her exact attitude.
Speaker 6: And so.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, do you do you guys? I said,
Speaker 1: are you guys stuck here? And she was like, oh no,
Speaker 1: we love it here. And I was like okay. And
Speaker 1: so now I'm distracted because the tour guide says something
Speaker 1: like now I can hear the tour guide because like,
Speaker 1: as I'm walking, I'm slowly getting closer to the tour now.
Speaker 1: So it's almost like the the energies are starting to mesh.
Speaker 1: So as I'm getting closer to the tour, she's kind
Speaker 1: of tuning out and it's like it's toggling back and forth.
Speaker 1: And I asked Roland, like my husband, I was like,
Speaker 1: what what did he just say? And and he says
Speaker 1: that during wars and stuff, people were kept down here.
Speaker 1: So like during wars like the the townspeople would come
Speaker 1: down to the tunnel to be saved. And and I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: a lot of them died here and no one's talking
Speaker 1: about that, you know. So I pulled back again from
Speaker 1: the tork because now I'm curious. And as I'm walking
Speaker 1: through one of these alcoves, I turned to the right
Speaker 1: and they're all in there. There's just a bunch of
Speaker 1: spirit people, spirits people, spirits whatever, like they're just in
Speaker 1: this tunnel. And I'm just like, no, like this is
Speaker 1: not happening. And so I took the picture and it
Speaker 1: wasn't until so you saw that you saw the last
Speaker 1: picture that are was it the last picture of the
Speaker 1: picture I sent you to the people? Wait a second,
Speaker 1: here's what was happening. Ras Look at the one that says, uh,
Speaker 1: tunnel people. They were poking their heads out looking at me.
Speaker 1: They kept poking their heads out from the sides, the
Speaker 1: edges of the tunnels and the alcoves, and they were
Speaker 1: all watching me. They were so shocked that I could
Speaker 1: see them, like nobody was acknowledging them, and so they
Speaker 1: kept As soon as they started to do that, I
Speaker 1: started to take pictures. You could see very clearly on
Speaker 1: that picture that says tunnel people of this tall the
Speaker 1: tall guy what, like, you could see all their heads.
Speaker 1: Hold on, let me find it. I'm gonna look at
Speaker 1: it in my own pictures here, but you can see
Speaker 1: the guy leaning look to the right. Are you following along?
Speaker 3: H yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like school. I definitely see
Speaker 3: like the shape of heads kind of yes, like it's
Speaker 3: all outlines, right, it's not like yes.
Speaker 1: It's like shadowy eyelights. So that's why I sent you
Speaker 1: the picture of the tunnel of how it looks, because
Speaker 1: it's super crisp and clear. But then this photo is
Speaker 1: the one that's not it's like kind of foggy, and
Speaker 1: that's the one that has them in there. Now it's
Speaker 1: so hard to tell, and like I can vet it
Speaker 1: because you know, I was there and I know, but
Speaker 1: it matches exactly what I saw and where they were.
Speaker 1: Like the photo captured exactly what I saw.
Speaker 3: So you were looking at them with your eyes seeing spirits,
Speaker 3: and you were snapping photos and they were just like
Speaker 3: standing there. They were just like all right, snap away
Speaker 3: like they were just like standing there.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Look look at the one I sent you. You'll see
Speaker 1: the guy he's like holding on to like like a
Speaker 1: door jam and almost leaning out. And he's on the right. Okay.
Speaker 1: Do you see the tunnel picture that's a little fuzzy.
Speaker 1: And then if you look on the floor, there's like
Speaker 1: one lighter square tile or something. Ah, yeah, okay, look
Speaker 1: right above that and you'll see the guy leaning. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, do you see it?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And then there's all those little shadows of the circles
Speaker 1: those are the heads. And then do you see their
Speaker 1: bodies under like they were all right there?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I got chell.
Speaker 1: Do you see it?
Speaker 6: Though?
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm trying to figure out exactly Okay, I think,
Speaker 3: oh I can tell about Okay, now I can see
Speaker 3: somebody with their arm like what you're saying, leaning, Okay,
Speaker 3: I get you now.
Speaker 1: There because they kept lean little ones and big ones
Speaker 1: there's like kids in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it looks like a lot of little ones is
Speaker 3: what I see. But I'm now seeing the guy on
Speaker 3: the right side or the person that's like leaning with
Speaker 3: their arm kind of to their side and like kind
Speaker 3: of out that's a man.
Speaker 1: And then there were a lot of kids.
Speaker 3: This is wild. Listen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so that's that was one of my my
Speaker 1: good like validation confirmation things. I guess because I'm always
Speaker 1: second guessing. Now I know and listen, I've seen some crazy,
Speaker 1: crazy things. So when I have experiences like this, like
Speaker 1: I immediately write it down because I know that I'm
Speaker 1: gonna like explain it away, like I'm just gonna be like, well,
Speaker 1: that was nuts. I will discount it over time.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Am I able to share this with the listeners? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll figure out a way. I'll put this in
Speaker 3: the Facebook group. Ghosted by ros Hernandez. This is a
Speaker 3: crazy photo.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't for me, this is like the
Speaker 1: best because I photographed what I saw. Do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean?
Speaker 3: Does that happen to you where you just go places
Speaker 3: and then someone's like, hey, can you see me?
Speaker 1: Yes? In a nutshell?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's like the sixth sense that.
Speaker 1: Movie spaces different. So lately I've been exploring places like land.
Speaker 1: So for example, I do a lot of work with
Speaker 1: like a Native Native American communities like pine Ridge. The
Speaker 1: energy on pine Ridge is really different from the energy
Speaker 1: in Sedona. Crestone, Colorado is another one. There's just these
Speaker 1: like very interesting hotspots and they all feel very different,
Speaker 1: but they all have like crazy paranormal activity.
Speaker 3: Wow, Lis send to this is good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I know. And no one ever wants to
Speaker 1: know my ghost because you know, well because my UFO
Speaker 1: stuff is pretty you know, interesting as well. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I have a fun of an interesting life.
Speaker 3: Can you tell me a UFO story?
Speaker 1: Okay, quick UFO story, let's see. Okay, Okay, here's what
Speaker 1: you need to know about citing a UFO. Okay, this
Speaker 1: is what I'm going to say, and this is important
Speaker 1: for everybody to understand. Get this. The phenomenon is an
Speaker 1: invitation and any experience you have it will always give
Speaker 1: you a way out. There's always an exit door. So
Speaker 1: for example, you can have like a crazy paranormal experience,
Speaker 1: but it'll happen the night where like the night before
Speaker 1: you had a little too much to drink. So like
Speaker 1: it's always it's always going to give you a way
Speaker 1: to explain it away. Okay, So for my case, my cousin,
Speaker 1: I like, my cousin's in the hospital, and so I
Speaker 1: go to the hospital to go visit, and it's one
Speaker 1: of those things of like so he was on the
Speaker 1: fifth floor and this is in Los Angeles again, it's
Speaker 1: right off like the six, o five and the ten.
Speaker 1: So he's at like, I think, what hospitals. I think
Speaker 1: it's like a Kaiser or something. And I go up
Speaker 1: to the fifth floor. Elevator doors open, and I walk
Speaker 1: out and it's like the lobby, and you know, the
Speaker 1: rest of my family's in there, and behind them is
Speaker 1: this big open window and you can see like the
Speaker 1: mountains near Monrovia, I think Dwharty, like the two like
Speaker 1: where the two ten freeway is. Sorry for all the
Speaker 1: LA references people that are out of town, so you'll
Speaker 1: have to Google map this, but so you can see
Speaker 1: this big beautiful mountain view. Okay. And my cousin gets
Speaker 1: up and she's giving me like, Okay, here's what's going
Speaker 1: down with our cousin who's in the hospital. Right, So
Speaker 1: it's a serious moment, and I need to focus on her,
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at her, but behind her in the mountain,
Speaker 1: I see what looks like an orange glowing tic tac
Speaker 1: and I like half thinking, say, oh, that must be
Speaker 1: the Goodyear blimp. And it's and it's like five or
Speaker 1: six o'clock in the afternoon, so like the sun is
Speaker 1: going down and the sunset is reflecting off the Goodyear blimp,
Speaker 1: and that's what's behind her, right, because it's bright and
Speaker 1: it's you know, and what's happening is it's moving slowly
Speaker 1: straight up and now it's kind of like coming over
Speaker 1: like now where you you know, from my vantage point,
Speaker 1: I could see the mountains, but now it's going almost
Speaker 1: higher than the mountains. So it's still glowing because the
Speaker 1: mountain is behind it, and it looks like a bright,
Speaker 1: glowing orange ticktac. And as i'm she's telling me what's
Speaker 1: going on, and I'm like, uh huh uh huh uhuh.
Speaker 1: But we like, I can't lose sight of this uh
Speaker 1: blimp because in my head something is going something's not
Speaker 1: right about this blimp. And it rises straight like straight up. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's let's picture a clock. So it moves from six
Speaker 1: o'clock and it's going straight up to like say the
Speaker 1: middle of the clock, okay, and then it just from
Speaker 1: that midpoint to eleven o'clock it just goes and it
Speaker 1: shoots up and it's totally gone.
Speaker 3: And I'm like that, I'm never going to blimp do that.
Speaker 1: The blimp doesn't do that. And then so as she's talking,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I slowly point to the mountain because I
Speaker 1: don't want to interrupt and I don't want to be rude.
Speaker 1: And it's a serious moment, but like what, like did
Speaker 1: you just like something just happened. And it wasn't until
Speaker 1: I was driving home that I was like, oh, I
Speaker 1: used to live in peals Verdes and from peals Verdi's
Speaker 1: you can see the views of like the city of Carson,
Speaker 1: and that's where the Goodyear Blimp is parked. And so
Speaker 1: this is why, this is why all this stuff was
Speaker 1: coming in my head because I have seen the Goodyear
Speaker 1: blimp take off and land and it goes sideways, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like it comes in for a
Speaker 1: landing like a plane, Like it's a diagonal thing. It
Speaker 1: never moves like straight up. And then like literally like
Speaker 1: it was you know the Wildly Coyote cartoons with the
Speaker 1: road Runner, you know the cartoon how like they run
Speaker 1: and it's just like that little pool of smoke and
Speaker 1: it just goes. You know. That's what came into my
Speaker 1: mind because I feel like the even like a cloud
Speaker 1: went like a it dispersed in a cloud or something.
Speaker 1: But that was the weird connection of my head and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, it's a ufhone.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, that was a UFO. Well you also wrote
Speaker 3: in your email, which we're gonna have to talk about
Speaker 3: one of these days, that you're the daughter of an abductee.
Speaker 6: And so.
Speaker 3: I mean, do you think that it's one of those
Speaker 3: things where you got aliens in your family, like you know,
Speaker 3: the the UFOs have a relationship with your bloodline, which
Speaker 3: I a lot of people report.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think so there's just there's a lot of
Speaker 1: weirdness surrounding, like the multi generation thing hypothesis, if you will.
Speaker 1: But yeah, my father actually had Okay do we all
Speaker 1: know who Whitley Streeber is in the book Communion?
Speaker 3: Yes, Okay, we I believe Coco Peru was talking about
Speaker 3: all of that with us at one point.
Speaker 1: Okay, so my father had his reduction the same year
Speaker 1: as Whitley, which was nineteen eighty six, And I was
Speaker 1: the first person he told because I woke up that
Speaker 1: morning and the way our houses are in Alhambra is
Speaker 1: you know the two There's two windows from the front
Speaker 1: of the house and one side is my bedroom and
Speaker 1: the other side is my parents. And so that's how
Speaker 1: it started because my father was like, I woke up
Speaker 1: early in the morning and he just looked like he
Speaker 1: was just staring off into space, and he was like, Miah,
Speaker 1: did you see the light in the front yesterday last night?
Speaker 1: Like did you see the light that was in front
Speaker 1: of the house last night? And then I was like no,
Speaker 1: and he was like, I had a weird dream. But
Speaker 1: it wasn't a dream, but it was a weird dream.
Speaker 1: And then he goes on to tell me his whole
Speaker 1: abduction experience. It was so weird that when he said,
Speaker 1: I went outside because there was a bright light, and
Speaker 1: when I went to the front yard, there was a ship.
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking a pirate ship because like in nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty six, like what we know now of like the
Speaker 1: gray you know, that's ubiquitous, that was not a thing
Speaker 1: back then in nineteen eighty six. No one really knew
Speaker 1: what that was. But my father had that same like
Speaker 1: he had that abduction and I was like, what do
Speaker 1: you mean? And he goes, then I saw them on
Speaker 1: the ship and I go what And he goes, mihah,
Speaker 1: they have big eyes and they talk to you with
Speaker 1: your mind. Because we had like no vernacular for this,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. There's like we had no
Speaker 1: context of what this thing was. And he told me
Speaker 1: the whole thing. And then I said, draw me a picture.
Speaker 1: And he drew me a picture. First I thought it
Speaker 1: was a guitar pick because he was drawing me the head,
Speaker 1: you know, and I was like, what like? And then
Speaker 1: he drew the picture. And then a year later, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm a latchkey kid. I walk home from school. I
Speaker 1: turn on the you know, TV channel seven three o'clock.
Speaker 1: Oprah's on, and like, as I'm walking by, I see
Speaker 1: Whitley Steber's on and there's like the cover of Communion
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my god, that's that's Dad's.
Speaker 3: Thing, and oh my god.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: And so.
Speaker 1: As a result of that, like that was always just
Speaker 1: a family story. My my dad's family lived in a
Speaker 1: haunted house themselves and like you know, parent almost stuff,
Speaker 1: ghosty stuff was always in our family. But this et
Speaker 1: thing or this whatever, this was abduction, whatever you want
Speaker 1: to call it. That happened in eighty six and then
Speaker 1: it wasn't until you know, twenty sixteen that I started
Speaker 1: putting together my stuff.
Speaker 3: This sounds like a cliffhanger. Sure, we're going to have
Speaker 3: to talk to you again, Lucinda. Okay, thank you so
Speaker 3: much to Teresa, Maria and Lucinda. Be sure to check
Speaker 3: out the Facebook group where I have posted that story
Speaker 3: or that that picture from Lucinda's story. It's it's crazy.
Speaker 3: The Facebook group is just called ghosted by Roz Hernandez
Speaker 3: on Facebook. Okay, guys, it's Halloween time, so please tell
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Speaker 3: I love you all, both living and dead. But if
Speaker 3: I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't haunt me.
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