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Speaker 2: It's spooky and jooky.

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Speaker 3: I'm really sure it's dead. It's coming, it's way Wait

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Speaker 3: a minute, I'm ghosted.

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Speaker 2: I gus that dayes.

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Speaker 3: Pase, Hey boo, it's me Roz. It is the thirtieth

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Speaker 3: Listener phone Call Extravaganza. If you can believe it. If

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Speaker 3: or if you've been on, I don't care. If you've

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Speaker 3: got a good ghost story, come on. You know what

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Speaker 3: to do. Email ghosted by Roz at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 3: Put in the subject line listener episode, and then just

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Speaker 3: give me bullet points of your stories and then you

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Speaker 3: know when the time comes you can come on the show.

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Speaker 3: I keep forgetting to tell you guys, also that I

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Speaker 3: have been doing video episodes. I don't know why. I

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Speaker 3: just keep forgetting to tell you. But if you want

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Speaker 3: to watch some of the last few episodes, there's one

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Speaker 3: with Ard and Marine, there's one with EJ and Shelby.

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Speaker 3: Those are up on YouTube and oh Patreon. I have

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Speaker 3: a new episode this week. This week I took a

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Speaker 3: week off from doing paranormal stuff. I did an episode

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Speaker 3: about one of my favorite comedians of all time, who

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Speaker 3: we just lost, Judy Tanuda. She was also somebody that

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Speaker 3: I had a lovely little friendship with and I kind

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Speaker 3: of share my experience with getting to know that icon

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Speaker 3: and legend and just kind of do an episode of

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Speaker 3: worshiping the love Goddess. So if you want to hear that,

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Speaker 3: check that out link in the description of this episode. Okay,

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Speaker 3: let's talk to some listeners. It is time for the

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Speaker 3: thirtieth ever listener phone call Extravaganza on with the show

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Speaker 3: Teresa in Pennsylvania, somewhere out in the middle of nowhere, Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 2: It's middle of nowhere.

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Speaker 3: Is it in a spooky way or no?

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Speaker 2: I mean it is kind of in a spooky way,

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Speaker 2: but not in the normal spooky way, because I love

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Speaker 2: the normal spooky. But I am you know, a bunch

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Speaker 2: of like slightly closed minded small town area got it,

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Speaker 2: which I find uncomfortable. So yeah, but we had, you know,

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Speaker 2: we moved to my boyfriend's family farm. Wow, because I

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Speaker 2: just had I had a baby.

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Speaker 3: She's one, So congratulations, thank you. Well what I read

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Speaker 3: some from the email you sent me, it seems like

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Speaker 3: every place you've ever lived has a ghost in it.

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Speaker 3: Is there one where you live now.

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Speaker 1: No, there's not okay, wrong.

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Speaker 2: It's it has been consistent. Like I don't know about

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Speaker 2: my childhood per se, because I don't remember anything crazy happening.

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Speaker 2: I grew up in northeast Philadelphia, so there was always noise.

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Speaker 2: We shared walls, so I can't say, oh, there were

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Speaker 2: bumps that were unexplained. But we did have a priest

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Speaker 2: come to the house for some reason. And my family

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Speaker 2: is not overly religious, despite me being forced to go

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Speaker 2: I do not know. I don't he came to bless

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Speaker 2: the house. I don't know, okay, but my mom just

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Speaker 2: said they just came by and did it. And I

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Speaker 2: was like, Okay, if you say so.

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Speaker 3: Well maybe I guess it worked. So tell me one

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Speaker 3: of your ghost stories. Where do we Where do we start?

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Speaker 2: I guess I say, let's start from the very beginning, okay,

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Speaker 2: as a teenager. And I'm going to preface this story

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Speaker 2: by saying that my brother and I did not get

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Speaker 2: the day I was born, and that's semi relevant to

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Speaker 2: the story. So I was probably thirteen or fourteen and

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Speaker 2: my cousins and I are very close, but they're a

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Speaker 2: they're nine and ten. And we got it into our

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Speaker 2: heads to have a seance for some reason in the

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Speaker 2: middle of the daytime. So to make it spooky, we

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Speaker 2: hung a blanket on the wall. We lit candles. We

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Speaker 2: the stereotypical not knowing what we're doing. Is anybody there?

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Speaker 2: And there's a blanket on the window to make it

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Speaker 2: so every time we asked is someone there, the wind

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Speaker 2: like right perfect timing every time until we got into it.

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Speaker 2: So we're laughing, we blow out the candles, whatever, go

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Speaker 2: It involved the blinds, you know, explainable the wind blew

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Speaker 2: And so I went to my brother and was like,

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Speaker 2: And he was like, I would not go in your room. Gross,

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Speaker 2: So we replaced them, and then stuff starts happening more

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Speaker 2: are like, oh, there's two ghosts. There's a little girl

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Speaker 2: I've never seen a ghost in my life. I have

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Speaker 2: been talked to by a ghost, and I'm frequently touched

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Speaker 2: and he had me against the glass door. Like this

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Speaker 2: And I'm like starting to panic because I'm like, this

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Speaker 2: he stopped because he heard that, and I was like,

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Speaker 2: thank freaking God, the little girl ghost is helping me out,

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Speaker 2: or the old man is helping me out. And it

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Speaker 2: So years go by, we're in high school. My brother's

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Speaker 2: other from day one. We never got along. Lived together

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Speaker 1: I said, what do you mean.

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Speaker 2: He said, I know you're the reason there's an old

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Speaker 2: And I didn't know my brother was suffering from sleep

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Speaker 2: I'm not apologizing because my brother probably deserves it, but

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Speaker 2: he was. So that was like my first major thing,

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Speaker 2: and it was all like, you know, touched on the

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Speaker 2: shoulder a bunch of times. I started dating my first

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Speaker 2: get he was he hated anything paranormal, and he would

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Speaker 2: get so scared and he'd be like, can we just

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Speaker 2: not talk about it? I have to stay here too.

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Speaker 2: And but you know, he heard doors shut, he heard

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what's that all about? Do you think that the

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Speaker 2: I think what it is is it's since I believe

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Speaker 3: Let me ask you this, did the priest ever come

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Speaker 3: back or was he like, sorry, you didn't get a warranty?

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Speaker 2: On my belief this was this was a separate house.

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Speaker 2: This is like a house we moved into as a

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Speaker 2: First house I we like, it was a row home.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know, if anything, I remember being terrified

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Speaker 2: This is, you know, like it very well have been

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Speaker 2: and that's why I was so scared too.

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Speaker 3: And even that they were people that lived in the

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Speaker 2: I don't think so the house that we lived in.

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Speaker 2: It was through the nineties and into the two thousands.

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Speaker 2: That house was a new build, but it was old

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Speaker 2: farm land. So I don't think when people are like, oh,

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Speaker 2: it's a new house, how can it be haunted. The

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's relevant to the house itself all

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Speaker 2: the time. So I think me just being like, hey,

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Speaker 2: kind of a closing, So I think it just kind

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Speaker 2: you want to call them spirits or ghosts, were like, hey,

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Speaker 3: Okay, so it's like a meet and greet is happening.

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Speaker 2: It was unintentional. Yes, they came in, and we're like,

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Speaker 2: she can't see us, but she sure can feel us.

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Speaker 3: In heroes and I's got a shoulder with our name

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Speaker 3: on it, That's right. So what then happened after that?

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Speaker 2: We moved out of that house. I got my first

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Speaker 2: apartment with the same boyfriend, and it was a very

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Speaker 2: old building, eighteen hundred's ish. I think the owner said

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Speaker 2: it was like a late eighteen hundreds build. And I

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Speaker 2: think that I lived in that apartment in a past

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Speaker 2: life because I never wanted to leave. I instantly was like,

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Speaker 2: this is home. There was no adjustment period for me,

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Speaker 2: and it just felt like that's where I belonged. So

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Speaker 2: I was like instantly in it. Love this house, Love

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Speaker 2: how spooky everything is. The landlord never had the lights on,

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Speaker 2: so you had to walk upstairs to the third floor

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Speaker 2: was there for all of the spookiness. I loved it.

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Speaker 2: So I did write a review about this story, but

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Speaker 2: I will go ahead and share it if you want.

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Speaker 2: That is where the ghost Mary lived.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if they were just like we're here.

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Speaker 3: I feel like those three siblings. I mean, do you

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Speaker 3: your story that you sent us, we were discussing your

434
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 3: landlord's music career. How is that still going on?

435
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,400
Speaker 2: Because he does not and has not, as far as

436
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 2: I know, ever had a music career to speak of.

437
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 2: He kind of he kind of probably played locally. I

438
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 2: don't think he was ever in a band. I think

439
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 2: he's just like a music lover and he just had

440
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 2: this big space and was able to put his instruments

441
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:47,120
Speaker 2: up there.

442
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 3: Okay, God, I don't.

443
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 2: Think he's ever had He was a while. He used

444
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 2: to take ambient and then not go to sleep, and

445
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 2: those are he has some crazy experiences because of that.

446
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 2: Go home and like try to avoid him because you'd

447
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 2: be like, uh, oh, he's got he's on his ambient again,

448
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 2: like let's go in the other way or wait outside.

449
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 1: But he was, he was.

450
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 2: He was a very awesome, nice guy, but no music

451
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 2: career to speak of.

452
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, okay, So tell me about the other ghosts.

453
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 2: So I know this it sounds and everyone's always like

454
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,439
Speaker 2: it sounds crazy. But my last apartment I moved into,

455
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 2: it was like I had broken up with my boyfriend.

456
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 2: I had broken up with my we'll call him secret boyfriend,

457
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 2: and I was living on my own for the first

458
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 2: time in at thirty six, and it was a really

459
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 2: hard time. But it was like this little apartment was

460
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 2: my safe haven. And I was so grateful to be

461
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 2: at a point in my life where I could have

462
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 2: a home on my own, because I never did before

463
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,959
Speaker 2: and I was always dependent on my ex boyfriend. So

464
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 2: this is like a whole new empowered I'm free. Look

465
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 2: at me making money, taking care of my off. Look

466
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 2: at this apartment that I can afford. And it was

467
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 2: a third floor apartment again, which I like living up high.

468
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 2: I feel safer knowing that there's many flights of steps

469
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,959
Speaker 2: between me and whatever issue downstairs.

470
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I live on the.

471
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 2: Ground floor, and I'm like, lock all the windows. Someone's

472
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 2: gonna take the baby through someone. I hate it. So

473
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 2: I'm in this apartment. It's a very old building again,

474
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 2: and it feels fine. It feels a little bit weird,

475
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 2: but nothing beyond like it being an old home.

476
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 6: So I move in and.

477
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 2: Every night, consistently, around three in the morning, I wake

478
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,199
Speaker 2: up and I'm like, is somebody in the apartment with me?

479
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 2: I feel like I can hear talking, and I'm like

480
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 2: semi uncomfortable, but like, okay, we got to get a

481
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 2: you know, you're living by yourself for the first time.

482
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 2: Maybe that's what's creeping you out. And I do have

483
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 2: downstairs neighbors. But every night three o'clock I wake up

484
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 2: and I'm like, someone's whispering, someone's saying something. I get

485
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 2: out of bed. I looked in the living room, I

486
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 2: looked in the kitchen. There's nothing. I try to go

487
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 2: back to sleep. And this happened for a few weeks,

488
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 2: and then there were times where no matter how many

489
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 2: lights I put on in this apartment, it felt dark,

490
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I don't you know, Like what do

491
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 2: I write that off? As I don't know. My cat

492
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 2: and I are sitting in the living room together and

493
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 2: we heard like something fall I checked the bedroom and

494
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 2: something's fallen off my shelf. I put it back. Okay,

495
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 2: that's weird. It happens again, Okay, I'll put it back.

496
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 2: That's weird. It's always the same shelf. And then I'm

497
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 2: out to help my dad with something. And we were

498
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 2: out late and we were picking up a car that

499
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 2: he had to have fixed. So I come home it's

500
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 2: like ten thirty at night, and I'm walking up the

501
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,239
Speaker 2: steps and I'm like, what do I hear? And I

502
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 2: hear the TV on in my apartment and I was like,

503
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 2: that's weird. Why would that be on? And I called

504
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 2: my dad and I was like, this is probably nothing,

505
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 2: but my TV is on, and he said, I'll be

506
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 2: right there. Don't go inside till I get there.

507
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 3: I mean, that's a creepy, but also go in and

508
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 3: like watch TV and just hang out.

509
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 2: Exactly analyzing, I was ractualized with myself and I live

510
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 2: with horrible anxiety all the time. So the worst case

511
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 2: scenario is always the first scenario career. So I'm like,

512
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 2: someone knows I live by myself now they're watching my

513
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 2: routine and they're hanging out and just waiting and watching TV.

514
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 2: So he comes in, he checks the apartment for me.

515
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 2: We turned the TV off because it's probably just the cat,

516
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 2: you know, And I said, well, it's probably not because

517
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 2: my remote is kept in a box on table, but whatever,

518
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 2: And it happens again a couple of weeks later, and

519
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, like this is enough. You're freaking me out,

520
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 2: and more of the same, like stuff as off of

521
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 2: the shelves, just this overall darkness all the time, and

522
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 2: I'm just like, okay, you know, we'll deal with it.

523
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 2: So I become friendly living there for a few years

524
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 2: and become friendly with a woman who lives or she

525
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:18,959
Speaker 2: has an office building downstairs or office room downstairs, and

526
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 2: I was telling her how I brought I used to nanny.

527
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 2: So I had to bring the little boy that I

528
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 2: nannied for with me to take care of my cat

529
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 2: because I was staying at their house for a week.

530
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 2: So I had to come and feed the cat. And

531
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 2: we go upstairs and I said, you know, just take

532
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 2: a second. We feed the cat, we leave, We get

533
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 2: in the car, and the little boy says to me,

534
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 2: did you ever just go into a place and like,

535
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 2: for some reason it's uncomfortable but you don't know why,

536
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 2: and you just feel like scared and creepy. I said, yeah, sure,

537
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 2: it happened. Sometimes it was Oh okay, I said, why.

538
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: He goes, that's just how.

539
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 2: I felt in your house and I said, okay. So

540
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 2: I'm relaying this to the woman downstairs, and I said,

541
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 2: you know, my TV kept coming on and she goes, oh,

542
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 2: my gosh, that sounds like Bill. And I said what

543
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 2: and she said, yeah, that sounds like Bill. He passed

544
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 2: away up there, and Isaac, excuse me, she said, oh, yeah,

545
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 2: I found him. If it helps it all, he looked very,

546
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 2: very peaceful when I found him.

547
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

548
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 2: The landlord told me that he moved out into a

549
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 2: into a a trailer park and he left his air

550
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 2: conditioners because he didn't need them anymore because his trailer

551
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 2: had air conditioning. And I was like, what do you

552
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 2: mean he died there. She told me that he had

553
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 2: really bad problems with his legs toward the end of

554
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 2: his life, and they would you know that that building

555
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 2: had four apartments in it and they all became really close,

556
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 2: so she became really close with Bill and would check

557
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 2: in on him, and she said no one had heard

558
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 2: from him for a few days, and she said, anew,

559
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 2: he had doctor's appointment coming up. So I just went

560
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 2: to check on him and she found him. He died

561
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 2: in the apartment. So well, I.

562
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 5: Don't know if he was watching TV from where she

563
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 5: found him, but he was like reclusive and he couldn't

564
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 5: go up and down steps that much, so what else

565
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 5: could he do but watch TV up there?

566
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 3: What are the chances that you have lived in all

567
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 3: these places?

568
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 2: I just think it's because I'm like open to it,

569
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 2: because I just I really don't mind. So wow, I'm like,

570
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:29,479
Speaker 2: not that I want to welcome anything in, but I

571
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 2: don't mind if they're there before me, you know, share

572
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 2: they were there first.

573
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 3: What was pretty peaceful too.

574
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 2: It has all been very mild. There there were times

575
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 2: again with the shoulder touching. I was sitting and talking

576
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 2: to my mom on the couch and I felt pressure

577
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 2: on my shoulder, so I turned, thinking my cat had

578
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 2: stepped on me, and I was like, there's no one there.

579
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 2: She said yeah, and I said, something just touched me.

580
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 2: And she was like, I'm gonna go's like, I gotta

581
00:31:55,560 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 2: get out of a bye okay, bye mom, thank you.

582
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 2: But it's all been like pretty mild, nothing terribly crazy.

583
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,479
Speaker 2: I also found out that he was a carpenter and

584
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 2: he built all the shelves in the apartment. So I

585
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 2: don't know if he was like this is where I

586
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 2: put my stuff, like get your shit off my shelf,

587
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 2: and that's why you knocked it down so many times,

588
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 2: but oh my god, like it was just and I

589
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 2: thought when I moved, I was like, I'm going to

590
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 2: take these shells with me. And I said, you know what,

591
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 2: I'm Bill, Bill, and all your belongings you can stay

592
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 2: in your apartment. Bill, you earned it. So Bill was

593
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 2: like the most comforting, Like what a horrible time in

594
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 2: my life. And there's Bill whispering into my bedroom like, hey,

595
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 2: put on Channel thirty.

596
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 3: About the store.

597
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, it's been since my early teenage years

598
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: that I can remember. I think it all started with

599
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 2: that seance.

600
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 3: Wow, I wait to hear what's next, Teresa check in

601
00:32:59,080 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 3: with me.

602
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 2: I owne nothing's next. We eventually, So we live on

603
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 2: this farm and my fa my boyfriend's family has lived

604
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 2: in the farmhouse for a few generations and it's like

605
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty years old.

606
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 3: Oh, there's ghosts there. They're just waiting.

607
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 2: I was like, we're just gonna not. How about you

608
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: move in there and I buy I bye a place

609
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 2: close by that I don't have to deal with your

610
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 2: family in the afterlife.

611
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, the in laws they want to meet you.

612
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, oh yeah, yea, there's a.

613
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: Ghost in my house.

614
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 3: I am joined by Maria, who is in my home

615
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 3: town of Grand Rapids, Michigan. Hi Maria, Hello. Have you

616
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 3: ever been to the Ada Witch? My favorite haunted place

617
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 3: in the Grand Rapids area?

618
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 6: So I haven't been there yet, but it's on my

619
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 6: list of places to visit.

620
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's that cemetery I want to say. It's called

621
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 3: the Finley Cemetery. And they say that the aid of

622
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 3: which it hangs around, they.

623
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 6: Say, they do say that. Yep.

624
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 3: So what do you say? What kind of ghost stories

625
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 3: we got from you today, Maria?

626
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 6: So I have I think the one that I I

627
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 6: was debating on which one to start with, but I

628
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 6: think just from listening to your podcast, the sleep paralysis

629
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 6: ones are they hit home pretty good for a lot

630
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 6: of people.

631
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 3: So oh yeah, those are its? So okay? God, I

632
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 3: was literally thinking before I went to bed last night,

633
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 3: I just I don't want tonight to beat the night

634
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 3: that I have my first. Sleep proalyses literally every.

635
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 6: Night of my life. So the first time I experienced it,

636
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 6: I think I didn't realize I was experiencing it. But

637
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 6: a few years later, my then boyfriend now husband, but

638
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 6: we lived in this apartment on this one street downtown

639
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 6: and the town that I grew up in, and I

640
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 6: one morning I woke up and he left for work early.

641
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 6: But then I fell back asleep and I heard in

642
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 6: my sleep Paulsis part. I heard keys jingling and footsteps

643
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 6: all around my room and I couldn't wake up. I

644
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 6: couldn't I felt like I couldn't breathe. And then I

645
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 6: was hearing like really loud, ringing noise and it just

646
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 6: would not stop. And finally I was able to wake

647
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 6: myself up fully, and you know, nobody was there. My

648
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 6: husband was gone. I didn't never see anything, but I

649
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 6: heard a lot that was happening. And then a few

650
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 6: years later we had moved, We moved a lot, we moved,

651
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 6: and then we moved back to this same street, but

652
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 6: to the house next door, and I had the craziest

653
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 6: sleep paralysis I've ever had. I was it was early

654
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 6: morning again and same situation. Woke up but fell back asleep,

655
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 6: and I heard little footsteps going around my bed and

656
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 6: I couldn't picture it in my mind anything other than

657
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 6: like trolls running around my bed, and it was just

658
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 6: a bunch of little feet running around. And then I

659
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 6: felt the blankets lift up and down multiple times, like

660
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 6: somebody was like making the bed. And then I heard

661
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 6: another loud, really loud noise, like a ringing noise. I

662
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 6: can't I don't know why I hear that all the time.

663
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 6: And sleep paralysis, but same thing. I was able to

664
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 6: like wake myself up and there was no trolls in

665
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 6: my room. It was nothing, so pretty crazy. Bed was

666
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 6: not made either, it was messy, but yeah.

667
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Okay, So do you think that that

668
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 3: is a paranormal thing or do you think that it's

669
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 3: like a dream state. I don't know.

670
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 6: It's hard because I used to think, you know, from

671
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 6: just like reading about it online and hearing other people's stories,

672
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 6: that it was more of like you know, your brain

673
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 6: was losing that chemical and it was more of just

674
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 6: a sleep state. But why was I I had the

675
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 6: two craziest sleep paralysis episodes. Ever, when I lived on

676
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 6: that street, so I don't know. The houses were really

677
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 6: old and they were creepy. So I feel like it's

678
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 6: a mix, and it depends on the situation. I guess.

679
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 6: I don't know. I lean more towards paranormal now that

680
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 6: I had those experiences so close, you know, in the

681
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 6: same neighborhood.

682
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 3: I think it's both things at the same time. I

683
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 3: think that's my belief, Like, I think it is paranormal,

684
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,919
Speaker 3: but it's also something that I saw. I was gonna explain. Yeah,

685
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 3: for sure, Oh tell me more, tell me more.

686
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 6: So I had this really weird doppelgainer. That thing happened

687
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 6: to me. We lived this is also a different house,

688
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 6: same town, older house, but we were living in here

689
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 6: for just about a year. And the one night I

690
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,439
Speaker 6: was on the couch and I was just watching TV

691
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 6: and my husband was out in the garage and he

692
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 6: had been out there for a while fixing something. I

693
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 6: don't know what he was doing, and I well, I

694
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 6: started to drift off on the couch, but then I

695
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 6: opened up my eyes and he was standing in the kitchen,

696
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 6: which was visible from the couch, and he was just

697
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 6: staring at me this like blank stare and he was

698
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 6: just standing there and I was like, man, like, hello,

699
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 6: what are you? What are you doing? And then I

700
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 6: turned away because I heard my dog come into the room.

701
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 6: Then I turned back and he was on and I

702
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 6: was like, uh, what just happened? So I called him

703
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,720
Speaker 6: and I said, du were you just in the house?

704
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 6: Did you come in? I didn't hear any doors open.

705
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 6: And he's like, no, I've been in the garage for

706
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 6: the last hour or whatever. And I said, well, I

707
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 6: just saw you in the kitchen, so are you messing

708
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 6: with me? No? No, why would I do that? Like

709
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 6: he doesn't believe in this stuff. So he was like, no,

710
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,240
Speaker 6: I've been in the garage. So that was really crazy.

711
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 3: I told a story very similar to that that happened

712
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 3: to me like a year or two ago. That was

713
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 3: like almost the exact same thing, And I don't know

714
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 3: how to explain it.

715
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, the stare from him is what really creeped me out.

716
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 6: It's probably one of the scariest experiences I've had because

717
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 6: the way that he was looking at me was just

718
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 6: like a blank stare. He was just staring into my

719
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 6: soul and it was terrifying. So Yeah, it was really

720
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 6: really creepy. I cannot explain what happened. I do not know,

721
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 6: but I did. And that same house that we've heard

722
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 6: footsteps of, like boots going through the house, and I

723
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 6: just got to I felt like I felt like a

724
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 6: male presence there. I never saw anything, but I just

725
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 6: got that vibe. So I'm wondering if whatever presence was

726
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 6: there was making itself known to me, but was using

727
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 6: that my husband to make it so that it didn't

728
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 6: scare me even though it still did.

729
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 3: I don't know, or could it be the kind of

730
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 3: thing where his spiritual body was disconnecting at times.

731
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 6: It's definitely possible.

732
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 3: Without him knowing, you know, no, I hate that.

733
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 6: But the stairs what gets me. It was like it

734
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 6: wasn't sure what it was looking at even though it

735
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 6: was looking at me.

736
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 3: Because like maybe he was at that time thinking like, oh,

737
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 3: I gotta go check in on Maria, yeah and that,

738
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 3: but he didn't, but somehow his spiritual body did.

739
00:40:59,160 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 6: That's true.

740
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 3: That's what I think when I hear these kinds of stories.

741
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 3: I think that like it's like an astro projection thing.

742
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 6: It definitely could be. It's it's really weird. I don't

743
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 6: doppleganger stories freak me out, like just totally.

744
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah they do. But also, I don't know

745
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 3: how many times I've ever talked about this on the podcast,

746
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 3: but I have an obsession with celebrity impersonator websites. If

747
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 3: you just google celebrity impersonator agencies, you can find all

748
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 3: of these agencies online that are that have pictures of

749
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 3: people that dress like celebrities for a living, and they

750
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 3: kind of look like them. A lot of them look

751
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 3: a lot like them. And that's my favorite thing in

752
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 3: the world. So I both hate the idea of a

753
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 3: ghost impersonating somebody, but I love the idea of a

754
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 3: human impersonating someone.

755
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 6: That is hilarious. I've never even that was a thing.

756
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 3: Please enjoy. You're welcome.

757
00:41:58,440 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 6: Now, I know what I'll be looking up later.

758
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 3: Tell me another story.

759
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 6: So I will tell the story about my first paranormal

760
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 6: I guess encounter. I was ten years old and this

761
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 6: was in my very Catholic grandparents' basement. My cousin and

762
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 6: I were playing the Oiji board and I remember specifically

763
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 6: we were listening to Mariah Carey on the radio, and

764
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 6: I don't know why I remember that but I do.

765
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 3: And do you remember which song it was?

766
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 6: You know, I used to, but I can't remember anymore.

767
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 6: But I do remember it was Mariah Carey. And so

768
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 6: we were, you know, asking the board questions spirit whatever, questions,

769
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 6: and I remember I went to the letter T and

770
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 6: then as soon as it did that, the radio turned off,

771
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 6: and like it was still plugged in and everything, it

772
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 6: just turned off. And then the basement light also turned

773
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 6: off like right after that. So my cousin and I

774
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 6: were like freaked out, like what the heck's going on?

775
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 6: We knew were we were the only ones in the

776
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 6: house though, and we could see the top of the

777
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 6: stairs and we didn't see anybody flicker the light off

778
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,439
Speaker 6: to mess with us, and so we knew the power

779
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 6: didn't go out either, because it happened like one step

780
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 6: after another, and needless to say, we ran upstairs screaming,

781
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 6: and it was terrifying, but I like to think that

782
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 6: it was so. I had an uncle that passed away.

783
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 6: I've never met him because he died when he was

784
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 6: a teenager, but I like to say that he was

785
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 6: he's I feel like he was in the house kind

786
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,720
Speaker 6: of like stopping it before it got to the point where,

787
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 6: you know, we got into something that we shouldn't have

788
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 6: done spiritually. So I like to think that he stopped it,

789
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 6: and that's that was kind of him saying, yeah, one dot,

790
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 6: you girls just put that we brought away.

791
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 3: So yeah, or he just didn't like Mariah Carey's music.

792
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 6: Or that that's very possible.

793
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 3: Wait, what is this story about a boy face in

794
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:07,760
Speaker 3: the window?

795
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: Ah?

796
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 2: Yes, so that was.

797
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 4: I lived in this apartment with a couple of girlfriend

798
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 4: and it was very It's probably one of the oldest

799
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 4: houses in the town. And she told me one night

800
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 4: that she was looking out the window and she saw

801
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 4: a boy's face in the window, like an apparition's face

802
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 4: in the window. And I didn't really believe her because,

803
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 4: first of all, I just I just didn't believe her

804
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 4: because of the type of person.

805
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:38,720
Speaker 6: She was and.

806
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 2: So sure, so I was like, I kind.

807
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 6: Of have to experience something in order to believe you.

808
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,280
Speaker 3: And we all know that person.

809
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 6: Yeah, all right. So one night I was cleaning and

810
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 6: I was home alone, and I had put all of

811
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 6: the remotes on the coffee table in this little basket

812
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 6: that we have, and I walked into my bedroom and

813
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 6: I heard the basket sound like it got thrown off

814
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,399
Speaker 6: the table. And so I walked out into the living

815
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 6: room and noticed that the remotes were, you know, across

816
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:15,439
Speaker 6: the room like they had been thrown. And I sort

817
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 6: of panicked and sat down to collect myself, and I

818
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 6: was like, what did I just witness? I was, you know,

819
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 6: home alone. So I called my boyfriend and I asked him,

820
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 6: I told him I happened. He was like, you know,

821
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 6: you're just imagining things or that didn't happen, and I

822
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 6: was like, okay, well it did. And so that terrified me.

823
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 6: And then my roommate across the hall, or in my

824
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 6: roommate my friend across the hall experienced stuff as well.

825
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 6: After that. Her toilet seat would just slam shut. The

826
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 6: bedroom door would open and close, but the toilet seat

827
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 6: would slam shut like frequently. So a lot of weird

828
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 6: stuff happened there. And it all started to happen after

829
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 6: we went up into the attic. So my friends were

830
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 6: all partying one night and they were like, let's go

831
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 6: into the attic and I was like, that's probably bad idea.

832
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 6: And all the weird stuff started happening after that, So.

833
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:13,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, what did you lage?

834
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 6: I don't know, some weird little boy spirit.

835
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 3: I'm not sure, the toilet seat phantom.

836
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, and then we started to hear like scratching in

837
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 6: the walls, and we thought it was just animals because

838
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 6: you know, the house is old. But now that I

839
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 6: think of it, maybe it was a demon or something

840
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 6: in the wall.

841
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 3: It's probably the little boy of the walls.

842
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 6: And get out.

843
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:40,720
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

844
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 6: Yep.

845
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 3: Well, Maria, you got some good ones here.

846
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 6: Thank you.

847
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 3: Well, Maria, this is so much.

848
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 6: I just wanted to tell you too that you inspired

849
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 6: me to start my own podcast. So I just I

850
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 6: just started that and amazing.

851
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 3: What is that? What's it about?

852
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 6: It's just my friend and I talk about creepy stuff

853
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 6: and it's just called Your Creeping Me Out. And yeah,

854
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 6: we have two episodes out.

855
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 3: But yeah, well, congratulations. I've been ghosted too. Lou Sinda

856
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 3: in Southern California. How are you?

857
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 1: I'm doing great? Ras, How are you?

858
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 3: I'm doing so good. I was looking through this email

859
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 3: you sent me. You got a lot of different things

860
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 3: that you could share about. I'll let I'll leave it

861
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 3: up to you. Where do where do we start?

862
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 2: Letch?

863
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: I you know, I'm I'm a paranormal magnet. So I

864
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 1: do have a lot of stories. Things that I typically

865
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: talk about are all kind of UFO, mediumship shuman related.

866
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: But I never get to tell my ghost stories. And

867
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 1: I have such a good one. So that's the one

868
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: I want to tell. That's that's for you. We're doing ghosts.

869
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 3: Okay, if we have time, I want to hear about

870
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 3: UFO stuff.

871
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, okay, we can do that if you're down.

872
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 3: Okay, what's your ghost story?

873
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 1: Okay, here we go. So it's August twenty fifteen. Let

874
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: me I have to give you, like the backstory. It's

875
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: August twenty fifteen, and I have just graduated from psychic

876
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: school what I lovingly call a psychic school, which is

877
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: it was twenty twelve that I realized that or I

878
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: was told that I don't just have the active imagination

879
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: that this is mediumship that was going on with me.

880
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: And so I was like, what do I do with this?

881
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: How do I use it to help people? What's the

882
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: ethical practice? You know? And so I decide to find

883
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: a class and there's a woman that like hand picks

884
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 1: her student. It's a two year program, and that's what

885
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: I lovingly call psychic school, But you.

886
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 3: Do you do in psychic school? Is it like Hogwarts?

887
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: Yes? And it's so she interviews her students and the

888
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 1: interview was like this, I don't really know what's happening,

889
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: but apparently I'm a medium and so all I just

890
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: thought like, oh my god, like I have really great

891
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:30,399
Speaker 1: character development skills in my head and it turns out

892
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 1: that that might be spirits of actual people, and so

893
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: I want to figure out how to do this, and

894
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: she was like, I will take you. You're going to

895
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: do no mediumship in my class. And I'm like, I

896
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: don't know how to do anything else. She's like, sure

897
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: you do. And so it's weekends of different modalities and

898
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: different skills. So the way that works is like you're

899
00:49:56,040 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 1: learning a modality like how to read someone using a

900
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 1: particular something like here's a skill set. And then you're

901
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: sitting down in a room in a chair with your

902
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: eyes closed, and somebody walks into the room and they

903
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: sit across from you and you just give them like

904
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 1: a full reading. You get no feedback at all, there's

905
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: no questions, there's no conversation, and then the person walks

906
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: out and then you find out just like sometimes you

907
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: find out how.

908
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 3: You did, Wait a suck around. That's psychic school, so fun. Yeah,

909
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 3: I want to be like a guidance counselor at the

910
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 3: school or something. How do you so, do you think

911
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 3: that if if somebody has like medium abilities, that they

912
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 3: also have the other abilities or they'd have an easier

913
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 3: time developing those or what do you think about that?

914
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:00,399
Speaker 1: Well? Yeah, so, like I'm ten years into this deep

915
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: dive journey of everything that's been going on, so now

916
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: I will say everybody has the potential to be all

917
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: of these things. It's it's just like an aptitude and

918
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 1: natural talent. Since it's like a musical instrument, you know,

919
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 1: you and I can learn to play an instrument on

920
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: the exact same day and put in the same hours

921
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: of practice, but in the end, one of us is

922
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 1: going to be better than the other. That's just how

923
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: it works, right.

924
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 3: And it sounds like a challenge should be class.

925
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: Let's let's play the glock and spiel. I'm just kidding.

926
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 3: Wait, that's okay, you're an actual psychic for real, because

927
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 3: I have a glock and shpiel right next to me.

928
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 3: My friend gave it to me recently, and it's like

929
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 3: I'm staring at it right.

930
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:54,280
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, that that happens when you're friends with me, send.

931
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 3: Out you're a psychic.

932
00:51:55,239 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: Yeah well yeah, so well yeah you are. But I

933
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: also I am a very pragmatic gal, right, so I

934
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: am the first to discredit my stuff and just like

935
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: be like no, that can't you know what I mean,

936
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: I need like really solid proof. And so twenty fifteen,

937
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: we are in Hungary and my husband is Hungarian and

938
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 1: we are there with our two little boys. We have

939
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 1: three now, but we had our kids were like six

940
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: and eight or something, and we are in the wine

941
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: region of Hungary in a little town called egg Air,

942
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:48,879
Speaker 1: and Aggir has this big basilica that used to be

943
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: like this castle hub. So I sent you a little

944
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 1: like tourist infos info sheet. What ends up happening is

945
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: that like we're there for a couple of days and

946
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: it's the middle of summer and it's you know, it's

947
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: kind of like a New York summer in Budapest, so

948
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 1: it's humid and it's hot. But then we go to

949
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,399
Speaker 1: the wine country and it's like cold and rainy, so

950
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: it starts to rain and my poor kids are like

951
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: in like, you know, whatever, little summer clothes I put

952
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 1: them in. So we decide, well, let's go do this

953
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: like cave tunnel system tour under the Basilica. And like

954
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: historically what happened was it was the castle of like

955
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: the archbishop or somebody. And the way it worked is

956
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 1: it's all like farmland, but everyone is growing wine grapes,

957
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: and so the town paid their taxes in wine. And

958
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: that wine is basically like was the wine for like

959
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: a of the country at the time. Like, so they

960
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 1: produced like mass amounts of wine and they had to

961
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,879
Speaker 1: store it somewhere, and so they were storing it in

962
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: these intricate and they're like hand carved tunnels. So they're

963
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 1: like it's fabulous and there's all these like arches and

964
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: it's everything out of like a wine lover's dream if

965
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: you're a wine maker, because the temperature and everything about

966
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: this tunnel system is perfect if you're going to store wine.

967
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 1: And then if you're a horror fan, you're just like, oh,

968
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 1: this is great. This is like the scenery for something

969
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,280
Speaker 1: really tragic and awesomely horrible.

970
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like I feel like a found footage movie

971
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 3: or something that like we're going to find someone's going

972
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 3: to find a camcorder with a monster attacking someone in

973
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 3: the Wine Country tunnels.

974
00:54:55,080 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 1: Yes, so now keep in mind I don't speak Hungary,

975
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 1: and so they give me like a little sheet which

976
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 1: is like the tour but in English. And there's probably

977
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: about fifteen people on this tour. It's kind of chilly

978
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: under there, so everyone's has they give you like a

979
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 1: little blanket, and they're like, okay, come on, let's go.

980
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 1: And so the guy is taking you know, the tour

981
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: guide is speaking Hungarian and so I'm trying to read

982
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: along and so I'm kind of now I'm falling back

983
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: from the tour. So now there's like this group of

984
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: people and my kids are with my husband and they're

985
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: listening to the tour and I'm lagging behind. And if

986
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: you see the photographs the one I sent you, the

987
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: tunnel like this is very These tunnels are dug from rhyolite,

988
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: but they also have a lot of limestone and so

989
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 1: the air is really really clean. And in fact, there's

990
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 1: a lot of like medical spas in Hungary and they

991
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: put patients with respiratory problems in these tunnels because that's

992
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: like really clean limestone air. And so when you take

993
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 1: a photograph of it. The picture is super clear. Like

994
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 1: that's that's why I was like, okay, we need we

995
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: need it is like slides, like a slide show that

996
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:30,280
Speaker 1: comes with this this story, so you can see really

997
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: clearly down the tunnel system.

998
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm looking at it right now. It's that it's

999
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,919
Speaker 3: a clear photo. Sure, but you're not getting me down there.

1000
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 1: Now. What ends up happening is that now that I

1001
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 1: have separated enough from the group, I am no longer

1002
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 1: clouded by the energy of the group, if that makes sense.

1003
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: So now there's a psychic lady who's by herself in

1004
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: this tunnel with enough space, and all of a sudden

1005
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:10,839
Speaker 1: there's the spirit of a young girl who, like, if

1006
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: you see, there's these little little alcoves. So you're walking

1007
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 1: down this long tunnel and there's all these little alcoves

1008
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: on the side, and I like kind of glance to

1009
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: the right, and I see the spirit of a girl

1010
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: and she's probably like late teen's, early twenties, and she's

1011
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: super cute, and she's like very bubbly, and she sees me,

1012
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: and I feel like we like lock eyes because she

1013
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 1: realizes that I can see her, and immediately she's next

1014
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: to me, and as I'm walking, just like okay, what's

1015
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 1: happening here? And she's like, oh my god, you can

1016
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 1: see me? And she just starts rattling off and she's

1017
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 1: like yes, because this is like in my head, yes,

1018
00:57:56,320 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 1: so this is I hear this in English? And what's

1019
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: what's making me like second guess?

1020
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 4: All?

1021
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: This is because I'm like, Okay, you appear to be

1022
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 1: from a time far away like you are. You are

1023
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: not a new ghost, but you are like prattling off

1024
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: like a girl of today, do you know what I mean?

1025
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: Like she's she's just like, oh my god, and you

1026
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: can see me, and like that's how she's chatting, like oh,

1027
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: and then and I'm trying to Half of me is

1028
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 1: trying to be like what the hell is going on

1029
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: in your head, Lucinda, And the other half is like

1030
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: I'm half listening to this ghost who is really just

1031
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 1: following me, And I'm like like, how do I shake

1032
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 1: this girl right?

1033
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 3: And it's like, oh my god, I have heard this

1034
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 3: story this tour so many damn times. I can do

1035
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 3: every word. I'm over it. Get me out.

1036
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 1: She was saying something to the effect like so many

1037
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: people come down here and like nobody sees us and

1038
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: da da da and we and so what what like? Yes,

1039
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: that is exactly because she was like, nobody sees us

1040
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 1: and we are heres so long and and I'm like

1041
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 1: and so I'm like, wait what like not now you

1042
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 1: got my attention?

1043
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 3: Girl?

1044
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: And so I kind of looked at her, like I

1045
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 1: side glanced her, and immediately I could see the word

1046
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: that popped in my head. So I'm mostly Claire audience, right,

1047
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 1: so I'm going to hear things very clearly more than

1048
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: get like visuals or senses like that happens too, but

1049
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: Claire Audience is like my jam. And so I looked

1050
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: at her and I thought in my head did you

1051
00:59:54,800 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 1: die down here? And I heard consumption? And she said yeah,

1052
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: but that was a long time ago. And she showed

1053
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: me like her being in one of these spaces and

1054
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: she's sick and she has a high fever and she's

1055
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 1: in a cot and all of a sudden, I feel

1056
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: like this like a chill, like you know when you

1057
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 1: have a high fever and you're so cold but you're

1058
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: burning up, but you're just like uh. And she says,

1059
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 1: the monks or the priests brought me here. I can't

1060
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 1: remember if she said monks or priests. She said they

1061
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 1: brought me here because they said the air would be

1062
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 1: good for my lungs and I would get better. But

1063
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 1: she died of the fever and I heard consumption, which

1064
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 1: is tuberculosis, and I got a vibe of like eighteen hundreds.

1065
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, how can I can I confirm this? No,

1066
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: but that's like she told me, like exactly, and like

1067
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 1: that sometimes you know, they'll take me through their passing.

1068
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 1: So I just and I saw her there and she's

1069
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 1: like sweating, poor little thing, and I just felt really bad.

1070
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:04,919
Speaker 1: And she was like, no, no, I'm fine now.

1071
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 3: It's just like she's like that was a long time ago.

1072
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 3: I'm over at.

1073
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 1: That's exactly what that was her her exact attitude.

1074
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 6: And so.

1075
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 1: I'm just like, do you do you guys? I said,

1076
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 1: are you guys stuck here? And she was like, oh no,

1077
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 1: we love it here. And I was like okay. And

1078
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 1: so now I'm distracted because the tour guide says something

1079
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 1: like now I can hear the tour guide because like,

1080
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 1: as I'm walking, I'm slowly getting closer to the tour now.

1081
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: So it's almost like the the energies are starting to mesh.

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01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:46,919
Speaker 1: So as I'm getting closer to the tour, she's kind

1083
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 1: of tuning out and it's like it's toggling back and forth.

1084
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 1: And I asked Roland, like my husband, I was like,

1085
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 1: what what did he just say? And and he says

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01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 1: that during wars and stuff, people were kept down here.

1087
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 1: So like during wars like the the townspeople would come

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01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 1: down to the tunnel to be saved. And and I'm like, well,

1089
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 1: a lot of them died here and no one's talking

1090
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 1: about that, you know. So I pulled back again from

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01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 1: the tork because now I'm curious. And as I'm walking

1092
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 1: through one of these alcoves, I turned to the right

1093
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 1: and they're all in there. There's just a bunch of

1094
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 1: spirit people, spirits people, spirits whatever, like they're just in

1095
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 1: this tunnel. And I'm just like, no, like this is

1096
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 1: not happening. And so I took the picture and it

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01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 1: wasn't until so you saw that you saw the last

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01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: picture that are was it the last picture of the

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01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 1: picture I sent you to the people? Wait a second,

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01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 1: here's what was happening. Ras Look at the one that says, uh,

1101
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 1: tunnel people. They were poking their heads out looking at me.

1102
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 1: They kept poking their heads out from the sides, the

1103
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:15,439
Speaker 1: edges of the tunnels and the alcoves, and they were

1104
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 1: all watching me. They were so shocked that I could

1105
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 1: see them, like nobody was acknowledging them, and so they

1106
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 1: kept As soon as they started to do that, I

1107
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 1: started to take pictures. You could see very clearly on

1108
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 1: that picture that says tunnel people of this tall the

1109
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 1: tall guy what, like, you could see all their heads.

1110
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 1: Hold on, let me find it. I'm gonna look at

1111
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 1: it in my own pictures here, but you can see

1112
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 1: the guy leaning look to the right. Are you following along?

1113
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 3: H yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like school. I definitely see

1114
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 3: like the shape of heads kind of yes, like it's

1115
01:03:57,960 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 3: all outlines, right, it's not like yes.

1116
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 1: It's like shadowy eyelights. So that's why I sent you

1117
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 1: the picture of the tunnel of how it looks, because

1118
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 1: it's super crisp and clear. But then this photo is

1119
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 1: the one that's not it's like kind of foggy, and

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01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 1: that's the one that has them in there. Now it's

1121
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 1: so hard to tell, and like I can vet it

1122
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 1: because you know, I was there and I know, but

1123
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 1: it matches exactly what I saw and where they were.

1124
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 1: Like the photo captured exactly what I saw.

1125
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 3: So you were looking at them with your eyes seeing spirits,

1126
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 3: and you were snapping photos and they were just like

1127
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 3: standing there. They were just like all right, snap away

1128
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 3: like they were just like standing there.

1129
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1130
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 1: Look look at the one I sent you. You'll see

1131
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 1: the guy he's like holding on to like like a

1132
01:04:56,200 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 1: door jam and almost leaning out. And he's on the right. Okay.

1133
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 1: Do you see the tunnel picture that's a little fuzzy.

1134
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 1: And then if you look on the floor, there's like

1135
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 1: one lighter square tile or something. Ah, yeah, okay, look

1136
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 1: right above that and you'll see the guy leaning. Oh

1137
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 1: my god, do you see it?

1138
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1139
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 1: And then there's all those little shadows of the circles

1140
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 1: those are the heads. And then do you see their

1141
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 1: bodies under like they were all right there?

1142
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I got chell.

1143
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 1: Do you see it?

1144
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 6: Though?

1145
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm trying to figure out exactly Okay, I think,

1146
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 3: oh I can tell about Okay, now I can see

1147
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 3: somebody with their arm like what you're saying, leaning, Okay,

1148
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 3: I get you now.

1149
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 1: There because they kept lean little ones and big ones

1150
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 1: there's like kids in there.

1151
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, it looks like a lot of little ones is

1152
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 3: what I see. But I'm now seeing the guy on

1153
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 3: the right side or the person that's like leaning with

1154
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 3: their arm kind of to their side and like kind

1155
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 3: of out that's a man.

1156
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 1: And then there were a lot of kids.

1157
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 3: This is wild. Listen.

1158
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so that's that was one of my my

1159
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 1: good like validation confirmation things. I guess because I'm always

1160
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 1: second guessing. Now I know and listen, I've seen some crazy,

1161
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 1: crazy things. So when I have experiences like this, like

1162
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 1: I immediately write it down because I know that I'm

1163
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 1: gonna like explain it away, like I'm just gonna be like, well,

1164
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 1: that was nuts. I will discount it over time.

1165
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:50,720
Speaker 3: Yeah. Am I able to share this with the listeners? Yeah?

1166
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course.

1167
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll figure out a way. I'll put this in

1168
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 3: the Facebook group. Ghosted by ros Hernandez. This is a

1169
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 3: crazy photo.

1170
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't for me, this is like the

1171
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 1: best because I photographed what I saw. Do you know

1172
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 1: what I mean?

1173
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:13,960
Speaker 3: Does that happen to you where you just go places

1174
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 3: and then someone's like, hey, can you see me?

1175
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 1: Yes? In a nutshell?

1176
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's like the sixth sense that.

1177
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 1: Movie spaces different. So lately I've been exploring places like land.

1178
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:41,400
Speaker 1: So for example, I do a lot of work with

1179
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 1: like a Native Native American communities like pine Ridge. The

1180
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 1: energy on pine Ridge is really different from the energy

1181
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 1: in Sedona. Crestone, Colorado is another one. There's just these

1182
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 1: like very interesting hotspots and they all feel very different,

1183
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 1: but they all have like crazy paranormal activity.

1184
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 3: Wow, Lis send to this is good.

1185
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I know. And no one ever wants to

1186
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 1: know my ghost because you know, well because my UFO

1187
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 1: stuff is pretty you know, interesting as well. So yeah,

1188
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 1: I have a fun of an interesting life.

1189
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 3: Can you tell me a UFO story?

1190
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 1: Okay, quick UFO story, let's see. Okay, Okay, here's what

1191
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 1: you need to know about citing a UFO. Okay, this

1192
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:43,360
Speaker 1: is what I'm going to say, and this is important

1193
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 1: for everybody to understand. Get this. The phenomenon is an

1194
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:53,760
Speaker 1: invitation and any experience you have it will always give

1195
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:57,400
Speaker 1: you a way out. There's always an exit door. So

1196
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:02,440
Speaker 1: for example, you can have like a crazy paranormal experience,

1197
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 1: but it'll happen the night where like the night before

1198
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 1: you had a little too much to drink. So like

1199
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 1: it's always it's always going to give you a way

1200
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:23,679
Speaker 1: to explain it away. Okay, So for my case, my cousin,

1201
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:27,600
Speaker 1: I like, my cousin's in the hospital, and so I

1202
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 1: go to the hospital to go visit, and it's one

1203
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:33,599
Speaker 1: of those things of like so he was on the

1204
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 1: fifth floor and this is in Los Angeles again, it's

1205
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:41,880
Speaker 1: right off like the six, o five and the ten.

1206
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 1: So he's at like, I think, what hospitals. I think

1207
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 1: it's like a Kaiser or something. And I go up

1208
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:51,000
Speaker 1: to the fifth floor. Elevator doors open, and I walk

1209
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 1: out and it's like the lobby, and you know, the

1210
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:58,280
Speaker 1: rest of my family's in there, and behind them is

1211
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 1: this big open window and you can see like the

1212
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:08,600
Speaker 1: mountains near Monrovia, I think Dwharty, like the two like

1213
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 1: where the two ten freeway is. Sorry for all the

1214
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:14,400
Speaker 1: LA references people that are out of town, so you'll

1215
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 1: have to Google map this, but so you can see

1216
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 1: this big beautiful mountain view. Okay. And my cousin gets

1217
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:27,559
Speaker 1: up and she's giving me like, Okay, here's what's going

1218
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 1: down with our cousin who's in the hospital. Right, So

1219
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:34,000
Speaker 1: it's a serious moment, and I need to focus on her,

1220
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:39,759
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at her, but behind her in the mountain,

1221
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 1: I see what looks like an orange glowing tic tac

1222
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 1: and I like half thinking, say, oh, that must be

1223
01:10:55,160 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 1: the Goodyear blimp. And it's and it's like five or

1224
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:04,640
Speaker 1: six o'clock in the afternoon, so like the sun is

1225
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 1: going down and the sunset is reflecting off the Goodyear blimp,

1226
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 1: and that's what's behind her, right, because it's bright and

1227
01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:19,599
Speaker 1: it's you know, and what's happening is it's moving slowly

1228
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:24,840
Speaker 1: straight up and now it's kind of like coming over

1229
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 1: like now where you you know, from my vantage point,

1230
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 1: I could see the mountains, but now it's going almost

1231
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:32,559
Speaker 1: higher than the mountains. So it's still glowing because the

1232
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 1: mountain is behind it, and it looks like a bright,

1233
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:41,800
Speaker 1: glowing orange ticktac. And as i'm she's telling me what's

1234
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:43,679
Speaker 1: going on, and I'm like, uh huh uh huh uhuh.

1235
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 1: But we like, I can't lose sight of this uh

1236
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 1: blimp because in my head something is going something's not

1237
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:59,559
Speaker 1: right about this blimp. And it rises straight like straight up. Okay,

1238
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 1: let's let's picture a clock. So it moves from six

1239
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:06,200
Speaker 1: o'clock and it's going straight up to like say the

1240
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 1: middle of the clock, okay, and then it just from

1241
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:17,680
Speaker 1: that midpoint to eleven o'clock it just goes and it

1242
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:20,719
Speaker 1: shoots up and it's totally gone.

1243
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 3: And I'm like that, I'm never going to blimp do that.

1244
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 1: The blimp doesn't do that. And then so as she's talking,

1245
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:35,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, I slowly point to the mountain because I

1246
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:38,679
Speaker 1: don't want to interrupt and I don't want to be rude.

1247
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 1: And it's a serious moment, but like what, like did

1248
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 1: you just like something just happened. And it wasn't until

1249
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 1: I was driving home that I was like, oh, I

1250
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:56,840
Speaker 1: used to live in peals Verdes and from peals Verdi's

1251
01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 1: you can see the views of like the city of Carson,

1252
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 1: and that's where the Goodyear Blimp is parked. And so

1253
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 1: this is why, this is why all this stuff was

1254
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:10,879
Speaker 1: coming in my head because I have seen the Goodyear

1255
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 1: blimp take off and land and it goes sideways, you

1256
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:17,760
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like it comes in for a

1257
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:21,479
Speaker 1: landing like a plane, Like it's a diagonal thing. It

1258
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 1: never moves like straight up. And then like literally like

1259
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 1: it was you know the Wildly Coyote cartoons with the

1260
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 1: road Runner, you know the cartoon how like they run

1261
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 1: and it's just like that little pool of smoke and

1262
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 1: it just goes. You know. That's what came into my

1263
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 1: mind because I feel like the even like a cloud

1264
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 1: went like a it dispersed in a cloud or something.

1265
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:53,880
Speaker 1: But that was the weird connection of my head and

1266
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:56,680
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, it's a ufhone.

1267
01:13:57,320 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 3: Well yeah, that was a UFO. Well you also wrote

1268
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 3: in your email, which we're gonna have to talk about

1269
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:08,880
Speaker 3: one of these days, that you're the daughter of an abductee.

1270
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:09,639
Speaker 6: And so.

1271
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:12,720
Speaker 3: I mean, do you think that it's one of those

1272
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:17,000
Speaker 3: things where you got aliens in your family, like you know,

1273
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:20,719
Speaker 3: the the UFOs have a relationship with your bloodline, which

1274
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:22,639
Speaker 3: I a lot of people report.

1275
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 1: Yes, I think so there's just there's a lot of

1276
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:38,800
Speaker 1: weirdness surrounding, like the multi generation thing hypothesis, if you will.

1277
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:43,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, my father actually had Okay do we all

1278
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:46,760
Speaker 1: know who Whitley Streeber is in the book Communion?

1279
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:51,719
Speaker 3: Yes, Okay, we I believe Coco Peru was talking about

1280
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:54,719
Speaker 3: all of that with us at one point.

1281
01:14:55,240 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 1: Okay, so my father had his reduction the same year

1282
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:05,519
Speaker 1: as Whitley, which was nineteen eighty six, And I was

1283
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:09,320
Speaker 1: the first person he told because I woke up that

1284
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 1: morning and the way our houses are in Alhambra is

1285
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:15,320
Speaker 1: you know the two There's two windows from the front

1286
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 1: of the house and one side is my bedroom and

1287
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:20,559
Speaker 1: the other side is my parents. And so that's how

1288
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:22,800
Speaker 1: it started because my father was like, I woke up

1289
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:25,360
Speaker 1: early in the morning and he just looked like he

1290
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:27,920
Speaker 1: was just staring off into space, and he was like, Miah,

1291
01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 1: did you see the light in the front yesterday last night?

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Speaker 1: Like did you see the light that was in front

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Speaker 1: of the house last night? And then I was like no,

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Speaker 1: and he was like, I had a weird dream. But

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Speaker 1: it wasn't a dream, but it was a weird dream.

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Speaker 1: And then he goes on to tell me his whole

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Speaker 1: abduction experience. It was so weird that when he said,

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Speaker 1: I went outside because there was a bright light, and

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Speaker 1: when I went to the front yard, there was a ship.

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Speaker 1: And I'm thinking a pirate ship because like in nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty six, like what we know now of like the

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Speaker 1: gray you know, that's ubiquitous, that was not a thing

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Speaker 1: back then in nineteen eighty six. No one really knew

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Speaker 1: what that was. But my father had that same like

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Speaker 1: he had that abduction and I was like, what do

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Speaker 1: you mean? And he goes, then I saw them on

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Speaker 1: the ship and I go what And he goes, mihah,

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Speaker 1: they have big eyes and they talk to you with

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Speaker 1: your mind. Because we had like no vernacular for this,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. There's like we had no

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Speaker 1: context of what this thing was. And he told me

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Speaker 1: the whole thing. And then I said, draw me a picture.

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Speaker 1: And he drew me a picture. First I thought it

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Speaker 1: was a guitar pick because he was drawing me the head,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I was like, what like? And then

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Speaker 1: he drew the picture. And then a year later, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm a latchkey kid. I walk home from school. I

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Speaker 1: turn on the you know, TV channel seven three o'clock.

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Speaker 1: Oprah's on, and like, as I'm walking by, I see

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Speaker 1: Whitley Steber's on and there's like the cover of Communion

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my god, that's that's Dad's.

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Speaker 3: Thing, and oh my god.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: And so.

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Speaker 1: As a result of that, like that was always just

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Speaker 1: a family story. My my dad's family lived in a

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Speaker 1: haunted house themselves and like you know, parent almost stuff,

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Speaker 1: ghosty stuff was always in our family. But this et

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Speaker 1: thing or this whatever, this was abduction, whatever you want

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Speaker 1: to call it. That happened in eighty six and then

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Speaker 1: it wasn't until you know, twenty sixteen that I started

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Speaker 1: putting together my stuff.

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Speaker 3: This sounds like a cliffhanger. Sure, we're going to have

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Speaker 3: to talk to you again, Lucinda. Okay, thank you so

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Speaker 3: much to Teresa, Maria and Lucinda. Be sure to check

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Speaker 3: out the Facebook group where I have posted that story

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Speaker 3: or that that picture from Lucinda's story. It's it's crazy.

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Speaker 3: The Facebook group is just called ghosted by Roz Hernandez

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Speaker 3: on Facebook. Okay, guys, it's Halloween time, so please tell

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Speaker 3: your friends about the show. Rated five stars, Subscribe, follow

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Speaker 3: it whatever whatever they call it wherever you listen Spotify, Apple,

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Speaker 3: all that good stuff. I would love to hear about

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Speaker 3: a five star review with a ghost story in it

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Speaker 3: or just something nice in it. I'm on Instagram at

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Speaker 3: roz Hernandez, my TikTok and my Twitter are at It's

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Speaker 3: roz Hernandez, and check out my Patreon link and the description.

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Speaker 3: I love you all, both living and dead. But if

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Speaker 3: I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't haunt me.

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Speaker 3: Okay Bye.

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