Speaker 1: What's that at the bed? It's spooky, Jukie. I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure it's dead. It's coming this way.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, how I.
Speaker 1: Sa Nandez P Hey boo, it's me Roz and welcome
Speaker 1: to Ghosted by Roz Hernandez, the podcast where I talk
Speaker 1: to people that I like about the paranormal. This week,
Speaker 1: I am not just talking to someone that I like,
Speaker 1: I'm talking to someone that I love. Julie Klausner, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, is one of the greatest comedic voices of
Speaker 1: our lifetime. Of course, the TV show Difficult People, her
Speaker 1: and Billy Eichner. She created it, she starred in it,
Speaker 1: wrote it, just brilliant and that's on Hulu. Go watch it.
Speaker 1: And then she's got a podcast called Double Threat that
Speaker 1: absolutely kills me. It's her and Tom Sharply every Monday
Speaker 1: that comes out. It's so funny. Go check it out.
Speaker 1: You'll see what I mean. I'm gonna just keep this
Speaker 1: intro brief because I want to hear Julie. So here
Speaker 1: we go. Here's my conversation with the brilliant Julie Klausner
Speaker 1: on with the show.
Speaker 2: You know I'm dating George Santos, right.
Speaker 1: You're dating George Santo.
Speaker 2: I felt like I should get that out of the way.
Speaker 1: No, I feel like that's important. Actually, you know what's not.
Speaker 1: I was gonna do it. I was gonna do a
Speaker 1: little intro thing. But I like that. No, I like
Speaker 1: that better. Let's get into this. First of all, I've
Speaker 1: been wondering where George Santos was well.
Speaker 2: In the other room right now. You know, George Santos
Speaker 2: tried to like he was tweeting out critiques of the
Speaker 2: fashion at the nerd prom you know America, like the
Speaker 2: press dinner the other day. He wants to be on
Speaker 2: drag race so badly, so bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, you got it.
Speaker 2: I'm not really, I'm not really.
Speaker 1: I mean, you wouldn't call it dating, you just you know,
Speaker 1: getting to know each other.
Speaker 2: My friend bought a cameo. My friend Jesse got a
Speaker 2: cameo from him for me. I think the day they
Speaker 2: went on sale, because that was remember that exploded. It
Speaker 2: was a It was like the like the montage in
Speaker 2: the middle of the Hudsucker Proxy. It shows like demand
Speaker 2: and supply with price. So I think his cameo started
Speaker 2: out at whatever it was, like sixty dollars and they
Speaker 2: immediately shot up to three hundred and like half an hour,
Speaker 2: so I hope that he got me one of the
Speaker 2: lower priced ones.
Speaker 1: He was completely shameless. He would say anything, would are
Speaker 1: you on cameo?
Speaker 2: No? Are you?
Speaker 1: I am on cameo?
Speaker 2: Will you say anything?
Speaker 1: I won't say anything, okay, but people will ask you
Speaker 1: to say things on there, really yes, and I won't
Speaker 1: do that. Mark McGrath is another one that's on there
Speaker 1: that will say a lot of different things. I bought
Speaker 1: one for my friend of Tawny Katine and then.
Speaker 2: She bless her heart Rest in Paradise.
Speaker 1: I loved her and she did. She did the best
Speaker 1: cameo ever for my friend right before she passed, and
Speaker 1: that inspired me to like step up my cameo game after.
Speaker 2: She made me step up my like how well I
Speaker 2: dance on the hood of a car totally, so it
Speaker 2: makes sense that it came full circle. But she was
Speaker 2: definitely an icon.
Speaker 1: Totally, and I'm sure George just loves the way you
Speaker 1: dance on his car.
Speaker 2: He makes me take my shoes off. I'm like, these
Speaker 2: are really heavy shoes.
Speaker 1: Anyway, Okay, Julie, I'm so obsessed with you.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with I mean difficult people of course, but
Speaker 1: your podcast Double Threat, you and Tom Sharping and you
Speaker 1: guys watch all kinds of things. You talk about all
Speaker 1: kinds of things. And I'm trying to think because I've
Speaker 1: definitely listened to every single episode at the very minimum twice,
Speaker 1: and so I'm I'm encyclopedia. I could tell you everythings
Speaker 1: I've ever covered, but I'm trying to think of the
Speaker 1: paranormal things just off the top of my head. Okay,
Speaker 1: you guys did well. First of all, you covered the
Speaker 1: woman from the eighties that had a satanic toaster.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the haunted toaster lady.
Speaker 1: I remember her, which is a genuine That was a
Speaker 1: news report. I think it was on Yes there did
Speaker 1: Today Show Its true?
Speaker 3: Yes, it was a local it was true, but it
Speaker 3: was covered like sincerely. It was like it was a
Speaker 3: news story. It was newsworthy and it was a news story,
Speaker 3: so it was news.
Speaker 1: And she believed that her toaster was writing Satan lives
Speaker 1: on her toast. You guys also did a seance. You
Speaker 1: had an episode where you had a psychic on.
Speaker 2: Yes, we had Colby Rebel.
Speaker 1: It was orson Wells. I believe you guys were trying
Speaker 1: to condus.
Speaker 2: She did her best. She did her best. And then
Speaker 2: we also had John Daly on that episode and she
Speaker 2: told us some things that she felt about John's like
Speaker 2: departed aunt I think as well. So yeah, we had
Speaker 2: her on and orson. Wells did come up in the conversation.
Speaker 1: Well that's something. Uh what do you think of psychics?
Speaker 1: Where are you out on that?
Speaker 2: I am a skeptic for sure, uh huh. But I'm
Speaker 2: not a cynic because I'm like really smart uh huh.
Speaker 2: So I'm smart enough to know that I don't know everything.
Speaker 1: Of course, right, they can't be right all the time.
Speaker 1: There's just no way.
Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, I don't know. I don't know everything. So
Speaker 2: there's things that psychics might be able to intuit that
Speaker 2: I can't tap into or I can't understand or in
Speaker 2: other words, I'm always open to the possible because if
Speaker 2: I weren't, then that would make me I don't know,
Speaker 2: like I'd be very cut off to certain ideas, And
Speaker 2: I don't think that's a way for an intelligent person
Speaker 2: to be. You should be curious, and you should be
Speaker 2: constantly looking for opportunities to connect, right like totally, but
Speaker 2: being alive is all about. So I'm open to psychic
Speaker 2: stuff being I'm ready to be razzle dazzled, I guess,
Speaker 2: but I don't think it's happened yet.
Speaker 1: I get that. I like that you brought up the difference.
Speaker 1: You know, there is a difference between being skeptical and cynical,
Speaker 1: and I think that everyone should go into all this
Speaker 1: stuff skeptical. I don't think that you should be gullible.
Speaker 1: I don't think you should just believe everything that somebody
Speaker 1: says just because they say they're a psychic. But yeah,
Speaker 1: keep an open mind at the same time is a
Speaker 1: beautiful thing. You never know.
Speaker 2: By the way, I follow a couple like animal communicators,
Speaker 2: So that's I guess a form of it that is psychic.
Speaker 1: That's the animal psychic.
Speaker 2: So a person a person's psychic. I guess I'm still
Speaker 2: on the on the bubble with but animal psychic I'm
Speaker 2: completely all on board for So I'm really smart as
Speaker 2: something that cats tell animal communicators a lot, So I
Speaker 2: think I was just imitating a cat when I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm really smart, Like I think there was one one
Speaker 2: cat that told their communicator like, just so you know,
Speaker 2: my belly is soft and really strong so animals, I
Speaker 2: think braggle up, which I love. I love all this
Speaker 2: stuff that that I would like, I eat up with
Speaker 2: a spoon and then I use my finger to get
Speaker 2: like the sides of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can believe that. I've seen I've seen videos
Speaker 1: of that before where they're just like, yeah, so Fluffy
Speaker 1: is just really feels like you don't let her watch
Speaker 1: the TV show she wants to watch, And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I get that. I could see that totally happening.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't that drive you insane if you were a dog
Speaker 2: and you didn't want to watch like Top Chef totally?
Speaker 1: Well, actually, what you're reminding me of right now is
Speaker 1: another thing that you guys have talked about on Double Threat,
Speaker 1: which is the one eight hundred or one nine hundred
Speaker 1: commercial from the eighties where they would tell you you
Speaker 1: would call and find out what historic figure was inside
Speaker 1: of your animal.
Speaker 2: Oh I forgot about that one. Yeah, it's a good service.
Speaker 1: We should bring that back totally. I want that job
Speaker 1: more than anything, and I think I've talked about it
Speaker 1: on this show before too, But yeah, like that was
Speaker 1: that was a real one nine hundred. I mean it
Speaker 1: was this guy I can't remember his name, but he
Speaker 1: did like a bunch of different these commercials and these
Speaker 1: services and whatever. And I guess people would call and
Speaker 1: it would always.
Speaker 2: Be George Washington, Abraham Lincoln. It was there were more criminals.
Speaker 2: It was never you know, oh that was the town
Speaker 2: peeping tom exactly. Although I got a real peeping Tom cat.
Speaker 2: I do have a peeping Tom cat. Sometimes I'll be,
Speaker 2: you know, taking a shower, doing my business or whatever,
Speaker 2: and I'll see this like little white paw just sort
Speaker 2: of the door open. I'll think, oh, boy, here we
Speaker 2: go again.
Speaker 1: People do that with psychics for humans too, and they'll
Speaker 1: do these past lives. It's always like you were an
Speaker 1: Egyptian king. Oh you're like a pharaoh, or.
Speaker 2: Like Cleopatra, you were the goddess queen royal toad.
Speaker 1: And I yeah, I just what I think all the
Speaker 1: time is if that thing is true, if that whole
Speaker 1: idea is true, one day we are going to be
Speaker 1: somebody's past life and you want to impress.
Speaker 2: Oh that's interesting. It's like dress for the job. You
Speaker 2: want like be the person that somebody would be psyched
Speaker 2: about being reincarnated as.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's a way to live.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 1: But okay, ghosts, what about just ghosts in general?
Speaker 2: Okay, I have not had experience with ghosts as far
Speaker 2: as like this is a being or a person in
Speaker 2: the room with me, or you know, some kind of spirit.
Speaker 2: But I have been in so many haunted hotel rooms.
Speaker 2: I've stopped a counting b booking hotels that were built
Speaker 2: anytime before, like two years ago. I do not stay
Speaker 2: in old hotels anymore. I don't like them. They give
Speaker 2: me the creeps. I'll walk into a room and think, oh, oh,
Speaker 2: there's something going on in here that I do not like.
Speaker 2: And I don't know what else to describe that, as
Speaker 2: it's so.
Speaker 1: Weird to think about how many things could have happened
Speaker 1: in their period. Oh yeah, I mean just a hotel
Speaker 1: in general, but like one that's like a hundred years old.
Speaker 1: It's like, how many people have had sex in here,
Speaker 1: fought in here, died in here? Like you just don't know,
Speaker 1: and if you believe and that kind of energy thing
Speaker 1: that could absolutely linger.
Speaker 2: I will tell you that one time I stayed in
Speaker 2: a hotel, an old hotel in Austin, Texas, and they
Speaker 2: gave me the presidential suite for whatever reason, and as
Speaker 2: soon as I walked in, I thought, uh oh, and
Speaker 2: I've found out later overhearing a tour like I was
Speaker 2: going to the elevator. I got out of my hotel
Speaker 2: room and went down to the lobby. But I passed
Speaker 2: a tour and the tour guide was like, and this
Speaker 2: is the haunted Like they made a point of saying that, like,
Speaker 2: the whole hotel is haunted, but this is where so
Speaker 2: and so used to smoke his cigars at night, and
Speaker 2: they say, you can still smell the cigar smoke. Now
Speaker 2: I did not smell the cigar smoke. But it was
Speaker 2: very both validating and terrible to pass a tour guide
Speaker 2: confirming that everything lousy and creepy and strange that I
Speaker 2: had felt was something that uh, you know, other people
Speaker 2: had fell too.
Speaker 1: We'll say, I love that you're leaving your room and
Speaker 1: they're like, now this is the portal. This is the
Speaker 1: at the center of the helm outh where this woman
Speaker 1: come a left is yeah, I hate that. And that's like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I do whatever I can too to not
Speaker 1: do haunted old hotels. And I have found myself many
Speaker 1: times late at night staying in these places. And then
Speaker 1: I and honestly, they don't even have to be old.
Speaker 1: But I'll just google, like the hotel with the word
Speaker 1: death after just to see if something pops up.
Speaker 2: I think, first of all, when you travel, you should
Speaker 2: always have something that will knock you out. You can't.
Speaker 2: You can't be up in the middle of the night
Speaker 2: at a hotel. Your mind is gonna go to bad places,
Speaker 2: whether it's vice or googling things you shouldn't or making
Speaker 2: yourself freaked out or any of that.
Speaker 1: Julie, Yes, I did this thing. This TV show that
Speaker 1: I'm on. They had me staying in the most haunted
Speaker 1: rooms overnight for three nights in a row, some of them.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: It was horrible because everyone would tell you the stories
Speaker 1: of all the things that have happened in these rooms,
Speaker 1: and then I would find myself trying to sleep there
Speaker 1: and then guess what film a TV show the next
Speaker 1: day all day long.
Speaker 2: Okay, do you have ambient No? No? I ballium?
Speaker 1: No, just a little bit of melotonin.
Speaker 2: Okay, we're gonna have to we'll discuss this off. I
Speaker 2: will say this that this is brings me to my
Speaker 2: second point, which is, and I want your insight as
Speaker 2: to the origin story of ghosts are ghosts created by murder?
Speaker 2: Is a haunted space inherently caused by something traumatic?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Is that why there is ghosts?
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. First of all, nobody knows any
Speaker 1: of this stuff for sure, but it would seem that
Speaker 1: that is one of the ways. That's one of the
Speaker 1: recipes for making a ghost. There are a lot of
Speaker 1: different beliefs, and I think that a lot of it
Speaker 1: is unfinished business. And I think that if somebody dies
Speaker 1: and they're caught off guard and they weren't planning on it,
Speaker 1: and they yeah, I could see why they would stick
Speaker 1: around if you believe in all this stuff, that they
Speaker 1: would be like, wait, what, I wasn't even done. I
Speaker 1: don't know, But I.
Speaker 2: Think I think you should release an album them called
Speaker 2: unfinished Business totally b I Z and i zz zz
Speaker 2: swap three z's, which is gonna be what you're gonna
Speaker 2: have when I give you some ambion. Take your vitamins.
Speaker 2: That's all I gotta tell you. Take your vitamins, give
Speaker 2: yourself the night. It's all be better in the morning.
Speaker 2: That's my philosophy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But also like, I don't know what's better if
Speaker 1: I'm if there's going to be ghosts crawling in my
Speaker 1: bed at night? Do I want to not know it
Speaker 1: exists and then like yeah and find out that yes
Speaker 1: that anyway, Julie, I did some research. Can I share
Speaker 1: with you a famous story?
Speaker 2: Please?
Speaker 1: Also, by the way, I don't know if you can
Speaker 1: hear there's like some the Texas chainsaw massacre is happening
Speaker 1: outside right now. I don't know if they're whacking down
Speaker 1: trees or just or just wag it off to the
Speaker 1: sound of my voice. So, Julie, I did some research
Speaker 1: on a man named Ted Seios. You ever heard of him?
Speaker 2: No cereals? Seriously, seriously have you.
Speaker 1: Renewed your Ted Cirios XM subscription?
Speaker 2: I like to eat cereals right out of the box.
Speaker 1: So Ted Cereos. Most of the research I did was
Speaker 1: from the Society of Cyclical Researches, Science Cyclopedia, and also
Speaker 1: Weirdstorian dot com. So basically, this man Ted the nineteen fifties.
Speaker 1: He is in his mid thirties, and he is a
Speaker 1: bell hop in Chicago at a hotel. And this man
Speaker 1: is into two things, honey, He's into booze and hypnotism.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, So this guy, he's a real party anim
Speaker 1: all over here. Now, this is the part that I
Speaker 1: couldn't find in my research. I don't know how he
Speaker 1: discovers this, but somehow he discovers that he can think
Speaker 1: of something and project it into a camera and if
Speaker 1: they snap the picture right when he thinks that, the
Speaker 1: picture will have that thought in it.
Speaker 2: I know this trick, do you? I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I feel like I may have heard of this as
Speaker 2: a circus thing, like one time, where they're like how
Speaker 2: they get the images on that film, like as like
Speaker 2: a negative or so, or like like it looks like
Speaker 2: a ghosting of an image on a on a Like
Speaker 2: I'm getting ahead of the story. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, right,
Speaker 2: tell me more, tell me more.
Speaker 1: So at this point he's just basically doing this again.
Speaker 1: How did he figure this out? I don't know, But
Speaker 1: he's doing it for people in Chicago. He starts out
Speaker 1: with an ordinary box camera and then later he moved
Speaker 1: to a polaroid. Basically, the way he would do it,
Speaker 1: or you know, the way the process worked. He'd get
Speaker 1: very very drunk on hard liquor and beer, and then
Speaker 1: he would roll up a little black piece of paper
Speaker 1: and he would hold it up to the lens, which
Speaker 1: is he would called this his gizmo, and he claimed
Speaker 1: that it would help him to concentrate harder on the images,
Speaker 1: and then he would scream ubscenities and really tell the
Speaker 1: person to you know, snap it, God damn it, and
Speaker 1: they would snap it and then the pictures would come out.
Speaker 2: So this guy took out his gizmo and started cursing.
Speaker 1: He whipped out his gizmo and started cussing. He started cussing. Apparently,
Speaker 1: as he would do these demonstrations, they would start out,
Speaker 1: you know, by a few hours. He'd be like, excuse,
Speaker 1: let me do it. Tell me into something and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take a picture of it, and he would just
Speaker 1: get belligerent.
Speaker 2: Wow, sounds like he might have had something going on
Speaker 2: with him mentally.
Speaker 1: But that's the thing. I don't know, because I think
Speaker 1: I do. You are very smart.
Speaker 2: I'm very smart, and my belly is soft and strong.
Speaker 2: There was another dog that said to this animal communicator
Speaker 2: one time, he was like, I've only tried swimming once,
Speaker 2: but I think I I'm going.
Speaker 1: To be really good at it.
Speaker 2: Oh. I love that. Like He's like, I think I'm
Speaker 2: going to be the fastest ever, that is so sweet.
Speaker 2: You agree, you do that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So basically he's just doing this for anyone that
Speaker 1: wants to hear about it in Chicago and for some
Speaker 1: researchers in the Chicago area. And he calls this thought
Speaker 1: agraphy okay, and he gets the attention of a psychiatrist.
Speaker 1: So there we go. That helps a psych hiatrist in
Speaker 1: Denver named Juwel Eisenbud. Okay. So this is what he
Speaker 1: looks like when he's doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he looks like someone who just came back from
Speaker 2: the war. He looks like someone who was like, has
Speaker 2: witnessed horrors beyond comprehension. He is drinking to forget what
Speaker 2: he saw in either Europe or the Pacific. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Yeah, that's.
Speaker 2: Exactly what he should look like. No facial hair, just
Speaker 2: like kind of a cross between like a ripped torn
Speaker 2: like a young you know, yes, yeah, a lot of
Speaker 2: riped torn energys. I think, yeah, yeah, I think he
Speaker 2: would have been great. Also, I want to mention that
Speaker 2: a psychiatrist, a psychiatrist in the fifties might as well
Speaker 2: be like, you know, yeah, her dresser, because as far
Speaker 2: as what they knew about that was like the age
Speaker 2: of like, you know, well, the problem with your wife
Speaker 2: is she has an a fixation, so you should probably
Speaker 2: do shirt it den whatever they would tell people to
Speaker 2: do that. We're just fringing crazy and they thought that, like,
Speaker 2: you know, they had all kinds of crazy ideas about
Speaker 2: people of different.
Speaker 1: Like genders and oh so I mean, yeah, oh no, there.
Speaker 2: He is without his shirt on.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. So here's a picture. This is an outtake,
Speaker 1: you know, one of the times it didn't work, but
Speaker 1: he is shirtless.
Speaker 2: So he accudently turned the camera toward himself and he
Speaker 2: took a selfie.
Speaker 1: Well he would. They were all selfies. But that's why
Speaker 1: it's interesting because these things would so he would look
Speaker 1: right into it with his little roll of paper. Gizmo
Speaker 1: is gizmo. And here's an example of one of the
Speaker 1: ones that he did. I guess of what is that
Speaker 1: the Colosseum? Oh okay, so it's you know, blurry distorted,
Speaker 1: but hey it's something. Okay, here's another one.
Speaker 2: How did he get to the Colosseum practice, I guess.
Speaker 1: Well, it's these are his thought. He would think it
Speaker 1: and then it would show up. Now, this is an
Speaker 1: example of the psychiatrist Eisenbud. He took Ted to his
Speaker 1: family ranch, which you can see a photo of what
Speaker 1: it really looks like, and then Ted tried to recreate
Speaker 1: it in his brain. And when they study it, it's
Speaker 1: interesting because it's different, like there's things are moved differently,
Speaker 1: and they're not exact. It's not an exact replica of
Speaker 1: the barn, and so is.
Speaker 2: The concept that he's taking a picture of his own brain.
Speaker 1: Yes, I see he is able to think these things,
Speaker 1: which I wonder how many times they're like, okay, now
Speaker 1: do the Eiffel Tower and then it comes out and
Speaker 1: it's like a lady's lady's pantaloons or something, But you
Speaker 1: never know. He's like, what I swear I was thinking
Speaker 1: the Eiffel Tower.
Speaker 2: Did you ever hear that song? Everyone knows the first
Speaker 2: part where it's like there's a place in France where
Speaker 2: the naked ladies where oh wait, where the where the
Speaker 2: ladies have no dance or something? And then do you
Speaker 2: know the next part we're going, there's a there's a
Speaker 2: place on in the wall. He's like, there's a hole
Speaker 2: in the wall where the men can see it.
Speaker 1: All. I have some male friends that I think frequent
Speaker 1: the whole here. It was the Hollywood.
Speaker 2: And by the way, ro I just want to remind you,
Speaker 2: they can see it all, see.
Speaker 1: Everything we talk in details, Odie. Okay. So this psychiatrist
Speaker 1: in Denver, his name is Jewel Eisenbud, studying him for
Speaker 1: two years. At this point we're in the sixties. So
Speaker 1: from sixty four to sixty seven he released a book
Speaker 1: about it called The World of Ted Cirio's colon Thotographic
Speaker 1: and I love that he described. This is from his book.
Speaker 1: When Sirius was doing his thing, he said, quote, the
Speaker 1: practologist would perhaps liken what was occurring to the kind
Speaker 1: of tension and pressure built up during a difficult movement.
Speaker 2: I knew that the ass was gonna get involved. These
Speaker 2: shrinks from the fifties, the sixties, whatever you want to
Speaker 2: call it, they are more obsessed with ass than Sir.
Speaker 2: Mix a lot and he's a knight.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's true. Yes, he is a sir.
Speaker 1: I didn't I never watched the ceremony, but I guess
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So sometimes he would choose the image himself, and other
Speaker 1: times they would sometimes put it in like an envelope
Speaker 1: and they'd seal it, and sometimes he got that. You're
Speaker 1: like they would they wouldn't let him know. They would
Speaker 1: think of something, and then he would do it. He
Speaker 1: usually didn't, but sometimes he got it. He would often
Speaker 1: produce images that were either all white or all black,
Speaker 1: which was very strange because that would mean that they
Speaker 1: were either completely underexposed or completely overexposed. So that was
Speaker 1: sort of like a weird thing that he was doing
Speaker 1: just by looking at the camera. And they had a
Speaker 1: scientific term that they coined for these. They call these
Speaker 1: images blackies and whities.
Speaker 2: Those are not scientific terms. Those are bad names for dogs.
Speaker 1: So one time, I mean, a person witnessed, well, whatever,
Speaker 1: that's stupid. Let's just get through this. So obviously that
Speaker 1: was just stupid. Let's get back to the serious.
Speaker 2: The cereals, the cereossness of the matter.
Speaker 1: So obviously many people are skeptical of them. The leading
Speaker 1: theory was that he had a little transparent image that
Speaker 1: he would hide in his gizmo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the gizmo was more than just a gizmo, but.
Speaker 1: You know, well, one witness said that after hours of
Speaker 1: watching him do these experiments without any results, he noticed
Speaker 1: a shiny little thing inside of Ted's gizmo, and as
Speaker 1: he got more drunk and careless, he kind of caught
Speaker 1: a glimpse inside the gizmo. But the gizmos were often inspected.
Speaker 1: Usually they would have other people like hold on to
Speaker 1: the gizmo until it was time as they were setting
Speaker 1: up the camera. So that's the thing. He would usually
Speaker 1: produce many images, as many as fifty in a series
Speaker 1: of sixty to eighty trials. So you have to imagine this.
Speaker 1: His drunk ass would need to be constantly replacing the
Speaker 1: gizmo with little transparent pictures that nobody nobody saw him
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 2: That's impressive, that's that's productive.
Speaker 1: So either he's a really good magician or this is real.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he had yes. In other words, sleight
Speaker 2: of hand is more challenging when you're just like rip
Speaker 2: shit drunk.
Speaker 1: Totally. Yeah, I don't think you could do that. He
Speaker 1: also would do it sometimes at like a distance, sometimes
Speaker 1: up to sixty six feet. He could do this, so
Speaker 1: he wasn't always holding up his gizmo right up to
Speaker 1: the camera. He said, he basically just wanted someone to
Speaker 1: explain it to him, like he just that's the whole
Speaker 1: reason he was doing this, He said, maybe he'd be
Speaker 1: able to be a spy in the military, or you know,
Speaker 1: he just he just wanted help developing it and understanding it.
Speaker 1: And his defense to the critics was that if he
Speaker 1: was faking it, he'd probably be right more often, and
Speaker 1: then he would start charging people and take it to
Speaker 1: a nightclub and do it as an act.
Speaker 2: And he didn't. He didn't do it as an act. No,
Speaker 2: but he charged people for photograph. It wasn't like he
Speaker 2: was doing this out of the goodness of his own heart.
Speaker 1: I mean maybe I don't. I don't that. I don't know.
Speaker 1: As far as I know, he's just this bell hop
Speaker 1: that discovered he can do this thing.
Speaker 2: And now how was he a being a how was
Speaker 2: he as a bell hop?
Speaker 1: Like, let me guess what floor you're uh not great? Yeah,
Speaker 1: this year in the president digital suite exactly, and then
Speaker 1: takes the pic.
Speaker 2: Madam President, what and honor please? Mad President? Honor is
Speaker 2: our first redheaded president?
Speaker 1: That is vot oh no, So he apparently lost his ability.
Speaker 1: In nineteen sixty seven, they were doing an experiment and
Speaker 1: he created an image of curtains and they both interpreted
Speaker 1: that as that is curtains on the whole thing. And
Speaker 1: he was able to do a couple of blackies and
Speaker 1: whities over the years, and a couple of little images.
Speaker 1: But he died in two thousand and six and his
Speaker 1: photos are now at the Special Collections section of the
Speaker 1: library at the University of Maryland in Baltimore County Walk.
Speaker 2: Chicago, Chicago was robbed. I want I want a heist
Speaker 2: film about this. University of Chicago photography professor loses his mind,
Speaker 2: breaks into the library in Maryland.
Speaker 1: To get the Ted Serios collection.
Speaker 2: Takes all the photos, but Baltimore librarian says.
Speaker 1: Oh no, yeah, just some John Waters lady.
Speaker 2: He rolls him up, eats him like a hot dog.
Speaker 2: Everybody's mad. He can't help it. He's from Chicago. We
Speaker 2: love the dogs. I wonder what happened in nineteen sixty seven.
Speaker 2: I have a feeling it runs with LSD. You know what,
Speaker 2: very changes changes the brand. I don't don't it very good?
Speaker 1: But that's crazy way he done in two and six
Speaker 1: and he was born in nineteen eighteen. What does that mean?
Speaker 1: He was almost one.
Speaker 2: Hundred to long ass life is what it means.
Speaker 1: He was ninety eight for the amount he drank. God,
Speaker 1: God damn good for him.
Speaker 2: Some people have different response. Is the alcohol it'll just
Speaker 2: pickle them and they'll be preserved.
Speaker 1: And some people just I'm jealous.
Speaker 2: I'm jealous too.
Speaker 1: Well, let me just show you real quick a little
Speaker 1: clip of him doing this. So this is from a
Speaker 1: British TV series called Arthur C. Clark's World of Strange Powers,
Speaker 1: and it's a clip from an episode that's called Fairies,
Speaker 1: Phantoms and Fantastic Photographs and it originally aired May twenty second,
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, here it is this church in Germany where
Speaker 5: Ted had never been. Or this blurred writing identified as
Speaker 5: a sign from a Mounties building, but in Ted's version,
Speaker 5: the word Canadian seems to be misspelt, so.
Speaker 1: It wasn't always completely accurate. It's the crazy thing.
Speaker 4: This is a start a wingerer aplane. This is what
Speaker 4: Ted got hold on.
Speaker 2: Who's talking to the psychiatrist?
Speaker 1: Yes, this is jule Eisen drunk, So everybody was drunk.
Speaker 1: This man is clearly wasted.
Speaker 4: Here you will notice that the strut here is an
Speaker 4: inverted V up here he has reinverted how this type
Speaker 4: of rearrangement is exactly what we do in dreams exactly,
Speaker 4: don't even trigger.
Speaker 1: It's got a cigarette in his hand.
Speaker 5: Dang like that, I got a good Could Ted have
Speaker 5: been cheating? Impossible, says Eisenbud.
Speaker 2: He's a better looking guy than that photo kind of
Speaker 2: showed him.
Speaker 5: Ted's last photograph was of curtains, but that was ten
Speaker 5: years ago.
Speaker 1: That's the curtains.
Speaker 5: Okay, can he produce anything now?
Speaker 1: This is from nineteen eighty five. They tried to do
Speaker 1: it again after one thing.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, okay, and that's a person that's a hole
Speaker 2: in something.
Speaker 6: He's squeezing and come on, tax we are But all
Speaker 6: he got was his face, cover his face, undaunted, Ted
Speaker 6: and jewel work on into the night.
Speaker 2: What point do you think Juel Eisenberg's wife left him.
Speaker 4: We did this night after night for three years.
Speaker 1: Oh, Ted's drinking right from the bottle, so they get out.
Speaker 1: The bug is that like moonshine.
Speaker 4: The sessions would last six eight hours and at the
Speaker 4: beginning nothing would happen.
Speaker 5: But later in those original sessions, weird pictures would often emerge.
Speaker 5: How did it happen?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: Anyway?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 1: Basically that's the story of Ted Cirios.
Speaker 2: That's the story of two guys hanging out, getting drunk,
Speaker 2: pretending to do science.
Speaker 1: But what I love is that he was observed by
Speaker 1: all kinds of you know, scientists and doctors and whatever.
Speaker 1: And sometimes, you know, they would get enough to be like,
Speaker 1: oh that's interesting. But most of the time he was
Speaker 1: just like falling over. Some of these reports say that
Speaker 1: he was just like calling he was fighting with the answer.
Speaker 1: He's calling him names.
Speaker 2: Oh they got he got into it. It was like,
Speaker 2: oh good, a new sparring partner.
Speaker 1: Dum bitch, you don't know. I swear god, I could
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what I saw, what I saw in Berlin, it
Speaker 2: was not good.
Speaker 1: And I show you right now. Squeeze. Hey, Julie, can
Speaker 1: I show you a haunted doll?
Speaker 2: You sure can't. But before you do, I just wanted
Speaker 2: to say, with the ted serials of it, I think
Speaker 2: it's art. I think it's all art. I think he's
Speaker 2: an artist making art, and people are trying to impose
Speaker 2: scientific structures and magic onto what is art with it
Speaker 2: kind of idiosyncratic process behind it. That's my take, But.
Speaker 1: We don't know. So do you think that it's performance art?
Speaker 1: The part of it where he says it's real, and
Speaker 1: it really is coming out of his brain and it's
Speaker 1: not like.
Speaker 2: I don't think that you need to believe something is
Speaker 2: false for it to be false. So there's absolutely a
Speaker 2: world in which he's completely under his own spell. And
Speaker 2: I think that that makes it, you know, more interesting,
Speaker 2: But that doesn't necessarily make him not Like I don't
Speaker 2: want to say, Charlotte Han like, I you know, what
Speaker 2: would be not fun to me? And this is what
Speaker 2: I think makes me the difference between like a cynic
Speaker 2: and a skeptic, or I hope it does. It would
Speaker 2: not be fun for somebody to like debunk this and say, well,
Speaker 2: this is how he did it, Like I don't. I
Speaker 2: don't have the ability. I don't have the desire to
Speaker 2: like strip away what makes something fun and interesting for
Speaker 2: people by exposing it to sunlight sometimes, you know, there
Speaker 2: are people that are into that, And I do think
Speaker 2: the people who expose people that do magic can sometimes
Speaker 2: do it out of a place of love, Like I
Speaker 2: think Ricky Jay, you know, loved magic and card tricks
Speaker 2: and everything. But he would also sort of tell you
Speaker 2: how certain things were done. He'd say like, well this
Speaker 2: is you know how this like you know, mind reading
Speaker 2: thing is done, and this is a scam that people
Speaker 2: used to do and like rise and that was kind
Speaker 2: of like historically interesting. But he was sort of celebrating
Speaker 2: while he was debunking. But there's also a kind of
Speaker 2: a person that's like, well, that's you know, they're just
Speaker 2: kind of pooping on someone's party, And I don't want
Speaker 2: to be that person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what the Amazing Randy do you know about?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 2: I love the Amazing Randy. Oh is he coming on
Speaker 2: the show. Let's get the Amazing Randy show.
Speaker 1: He has not that long ago. I loved I loved him,
Speaker 1: and he was like the debunker of all debunkers. He
Speaker 1: was the coolest, but he he actually I'm sorry to
Speaker 1: burst your bubble.
Speaker 2: But he you're gonna have to do a seance and
Speaker 2: he's gonna be like this is bullshit and be like
Speaker 2: then why do I hear you saying real? Uh?
Speaker 1: He was a debunker of of Ted Cirios.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and then Ted Sirios was in debunker when
Speaker 2: he overseas for our Freedoms, So let's thank him for that,
Speaker 2: not the Teddy Bear.
Speaker 1: Amazing Randy tried to debunk it and apparently failed on
Speaker 1: television and he tried to do the gizmo.
Speaker 2: We've all failed on television before.
Speaker 1: Just rehab. Amazing Randy did a lot of that with
Speaker 1: like have you seen the documentary about him?
Speaker 2: Yes, and I've seen the one was like the Uri Geller.
Speaker 1: Thing, right, Yes, there's that, But like my favorite part
Speaker 1: of that documentary was there was like the religious guy
Speaker 1: that was kind of doing this like, oh, over here,
Speaker 1: we got someone named Julie, and Julie lives on this
Speaker 1: street and whatever. And then he amazing Randy figured out
Speaker 1: that the guy had like a little ear piece and
Speaker 1: the guy's wife was being like, over to your left,
Speaker 1: her name is Julie or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the guy was like stalking me. He knew where
Speaker 2: he lived.
Speaker 1: But like this guy, that guy was making money. He
Speaker 1: was like selling out these big ass like a knows
Speaker 1: or whatever. And that's where it's like, yeah, you're kind
Speaker 1: of like scamming these people, and.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, if you have an earpiece, it's officially a scam.
Speaker 2: It's no longer a trick. It's a scam. You can't
Speaker 2: use an ear piece and expect it to be like
Speaker 2: woo mad cadabulary. No, you are milking people out of
Speaker 2: right ear piece.
Speaker 1: I know, but that's why like magicians, I'm always fully
Speaker 1: convinced that that is the second coming of Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1: Every time I see a magician do something I don't understand.
Speaker 1: But that's the fun of it is that you know
Speaker 1: it's not real. And then thanks to that, do you
Speaker 1: remember that fucking the masked magician?
Speaker 2: Oh sure, that piece of shit, that piece strater?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that man?
Speaker 2: What did they find out who he was and like
Speaker 2: kill him in some sort of weird like Roseberry's baby
Speaker 2: kind of way.
Speaker 1: That, Yeah, they probably chopped him in half, but for real,
Speaker 1: they put him in a box, chopped him down the middle.
Speaker 2: I was thinking of something more like Alistair Crowley cut
Speaker 2: but I like the idea that they just chopped him
Speaker 2: in a head. They put him in a box and
Speaker 2: cut him in out. That's a lot less elegant.
Speaker 1: Well, they're they're probably like, is this fake? How's this?
Speaker 1: How's this one done? Math magician?
Speaker 2: Try to walk away?
Speaker 1: Now, Okay, let's get to a haunted doll. Please, it's
Speaker 1: time for a segment I call the dolls are living? Okay, So, Julie,
Speaker 1: I go to eBay dot com. I type in the
Speaker 1: words haunted doll, and there are thousands of postings at
Speaker 1: all time. Oh my god, this time we got a
Speaker 1: two for one special geehaw, could you please show us
Speaker 1: this week's doll. We have two of them. We got
Speaker 1: Trixie and Madge.
Speaker 2: Oh, Madge is bored.
Speaker 1: They both look incredibly bored.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: Trixie is sad. Madge is bored.
Speaker 1: This is the true reality of show business.
Speaker 2: Match is also like me. She don't know how a
Speaker 2: contour this is. She just like does her best walks away.
Speaker 2: Just look, what am I gonna do? You know? This
Speaker 2: is a it's a blushbrush. It's not a magic wand.
Speaker 1: But she's good at some of it. I think the
Speaker 1: eyes in the and the brows are good.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, she's great at the eyes, brows, and lips.
Speaker 2: It's just the contour. She's just like, fuck it, I
Speaker 2: can't you know what about what am I gonna trick people?
Speaker 2: Who am I? Who am I fooling? With this face,
Speaker 2: with this shape, with this face shape, This haircut too,
Speaker 2: a great haircut for someone of the round face unless
Speaker 2: it is. And she looks amazing. Actually, she does look amazing.
Speaker 2: I love her. She's beautiful. They're both beautiful.
Speaker 1: So these two are harlequin clowns. Yes, they both have
Speaker 1: on very elegant very they're sort of Sasha a Loore
Speaker 1: like or just poofy.
Speaker 2: I don't think there is form fitting as Sasha.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 2: There definitely is a lot more fabric on these girls.
Speaker 2: They're they're modest. They're modest girls.
Speaker 1: But very like I don't know, non binary. I don't
Speaker 1: really know what's going on with these two. Like they're
Speaker 1: they're gender bending sort of, and they've got they're beautiful,
Speaker 1: sickening headpieces. But the best part of it is that
Speaker 1: they they look so incredibly uninterested.
Speaker 2: They're bored and said, and I thought you were going
Speaker 2: to say. The most interesting part is that their feet
Speaker 2: are all going the wrong way. Their feet are walking
Speaker 2: away as they look at you bored, which is something
Speaker 2: I relate to because when I'm bored, my feet want
Speaker 2: to walk away too.
Speaker 1: On a doiley. They're both resting on a doily.
Speaker 2: The other thing I relate to do I rest on doiley.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the best part. They come with backstories, these
Speaker 1: these dolls, and oh my goodness, it's my belief that
Speaker 1: this whole eBay haunted doll thing. You are given three
Speaker 1: options when you die Heaven, hell or eBay doll. And
Speaker 1: these are two real people that have died and they
Speaker 1: are now in these dolls. So let me read you
Speaker 1: their little bio. It says, the honor is mine to
Speaker 1: introduce Trixie and Madge. This hilarious duo will keep anyone
Speaker 1: entertained and on their toes hilarious. They both have powers
Speaker 1: to heal and dispel any sadness and anxiety. One may feel, my.
Speaker 2: God that I said they have both had podcasts. I
Speaker 2: thought you're saying both have podcast o. Wait, oh god,
Speaker 2: I have to listen to both of these.
Speaker 1: Well, it really sounds like it, because it says Tricksy
Speaker 1: is more she's more dainty, she's more a girlish nature. Yes,
Speaker 1: Madge is sarcastic and outspoken. Okay, as opposite and personalities
Speaker 1: they may be together, they are really does so like
Speaker 1: I'm reading a podcast description, I love it to gather.
Speaker 1: These two are perfect. They love to gossip and chatter
Speaker 1: into the late of night. At times you can hear
Speaker 1: Tricksy singing quietly and Madge, of course telling her to
Speaker 1: tone it down. They are ready to move to a
Speaker 1: home where they can fulfill their purpose in afterlife, which
Speaker 1: is to bring happiness to others afterlife.
Speaker 2: They even mentioned the afterlife. They admit it.
Speaker 1: This is their afterlife. So okay, so please like and
Speaker 1: subscribe and rate their show five stars on Apple Podcasts.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go ahead and say, Tricksy singing softly is
Speaker 2: upsetting you know. They're like that. She's singing like moon River,
Speaker 2: something like creepy and sad, and the other one to
Speaker 2: say tone it down.
Speaker 1: Is tone it down, girl. You're already wearing everything.
Speaker 2: Not a proportionate response to her singing both parts of
Speaker 2: tonight you belong to me somehow.
Speaker 1: You're like, how does she do both? The voice?
Speaker 2: Shut up? Shut up?
Speaker 1: Tone it down, Tone it down, girl.
Speaker 2: I think they're great. I have no notes. I like
Speaker 2: both of these haunted dolls. I love what they're wearing.
Speaker 2: I love their attitudes, I love their makeup, I love
Speaker 2: their feet.
Speaker 1: If I was to buy these for you, would you
Speaker 1: accept the gift?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? I'm not scared of these dolls. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: I'm not scared of these dang dolls. Maybe I need
Speaker 2: to I'll fill them with I'll fill them with catnep
Speaker 2: see what my cat has to say about it.
Speaker 1: Tone it down, yeah, I tone it down. They're thirty
Speaker 1: five dollars together or separately together, that's if I was
Speaker 1: to bid.
Speaker 2: How big are they? How large are they?
Speaker 1: They look teeny tiny?
Speaker 2: They look small.
Speaker 1: I mean I do know that Madge is more of
Speaker 1: the girlish petit one. Let's see here, Oh, or fifty
Speaker 1: dollars buy it now? I will live.
Speaker 2: No, don't buy fifty dollars worth of this. Don't don't please,
Speaker 2: don't do that. Wait, the one with the short hair
Speaker 2: is Madge.
Speaker 1: To be honest, it does not spass fie.
Speaker 2: But okay, right, can you write to the cellar and
Speaker 2: ask which one is Madge?
Speaker 1: Very important? We need to know who is who before we.
Speaker 2: Can considering bidding on these lovelies. But need to know.
Speaker 1: I just realized that the one has a tear drop tattoo.
Speaker 2: That's a cool tattoo.
Speaker 1: And then the other one has a heart tattoo on
Speaker 1: her cheek.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which one means that you've been in prison?
Speaker 1: I forget? Yeah, which one of these has been in prison?
Speaker 1: But that's the thing, Julie. If fifty dollars you're not
Speaker 1: just you're not getting two dolls. Yeah, you're getting two
Speaker 1: dollars whatever. Fine, but you're getting two best friends. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: so you can't really put a price on that.
Speaker 2: Are they friends or sisters?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not. I feel like they're coworkers. This reminds
Speaker 1: me so much of my days, like working in theme
Speaker 1: parks or like different jobs I've had, okay, or like
Speaker 1: you're you're in the ensemble of a musical. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: and you're just fully done up and you're like, all right,
Speaker 1: we're both a little hungover waiting for you. Yes, that's
Speaker 1: what we all.
Speaker 2: Is this a metaphor for life? All dressed up and
Speaker 2: no place to go?
Speaker 1: Exactly?
Speaker 2: Sad clowns?
Speaker 1: They're just like, is this what being a clown doll
Speaker 1: on eBay is? Because we thought that was gonna be fun?
Speaker 2: Is that all there is? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Hey, can I play you some ghost voices? Yes, it's
Speaker 1: time for EVP or ev please. Have you ever heard
Speaker 1: the term EVP? No, it stands for electronic voice phenomena.
Speaker 1: So basically, when a ghost is speaking and somebody believes
Speaker 1: they have captured the recording of it, that is what
Speaker 1: we call in the business Electronic Voice Phenomena EVP. Got it.
Speaker 1: So people not unlike haunt dolls, will they they'll post
Speaker 1: this stuff online. I got two of them for you.
Speaker 1: I'm going to play them for you, and then I
Speaker 1: want you to tell me what you hear, and then
Speaker 1: I'll give you an ABC option of what they believe
Speaker 1: it said, one of them being the correct answer. Okay,
Speaker 1: So this is from s piops one on YouTube, and
Speaker 1: I believe they're a paranormal investigation group. It seems like
Speaker 1: they're based in New York somewhere I don't know. This
Speaker 1: was at the Redwood General Hospital and they captured the
Speaker 1: ghosts saying this. What is it saying?
Speaker 2: Julie one more time? Please? Sure?
Speaker 1: Okay, Eddie guesses just by listening.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I've heard that on my voicemail
Speaker 2: many times from a fellow fellow or two. It's a.
Speaker 1: Well, what of these is the correct answer? Do they
Speaker 1: think it was a Oh you're gonna get it?
Speaker 2: Wait? Let me hear that one more time? Please? No,
Speaker 2: there's no, it's not good. There's no gut and get it.
Speaker 2: I didn't hear a gut? Okay?
Speaker 1: Did they think it was b don't forget I'm dead though?
Speaker 2: Can I hear that one again? I want to. I
Speaker 2: want to think of it while I'm listening, is okay? Okay,
Speaker 2: I don't hear though. I don't hear though.
Speaker 1: At the end, this makes the most sense actually to
Speaker 1: do it this way.
Speaker 2: Okay, good because I need to like have it fresh
Speaker 2: in my head totally. Oh, I don't hear okay.
Speaker 1: So not don't so you don't think it's a Oh
Speaker 1: you're gonna get it. B don't forget I'm dead though? Okay,
Speaker 1: now is it C boys, I've gotta confess ession?
Speaker 2: Mmmmmm Oh, that's definitely the closest one.
Speaker 1: We there's one. Mar Is a d oh, you're all offended.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's like one of these ghosts of a comedian. Oh,
Speaker 1: you can't say anything anymore.
Speaker 2: That's not that, Rose. If you had a goofball, you
Speaker 2: take it. Pop shots in that Netflix not a joke, Rose.
Speaker 2: I don't know who told you Netflix was a joke,
Speaker 2: but it's not. It's a very serious company and they're
Speaker 2: doing important work.
Speaker 1: Okay, so wow, that sounds like triggered match. Julie can't
Speaker 1: say anything anymore.
Speaker 2: You can't say anything. They should replace the thump thump
Speaker 2: at the beginning with oh you're offended? Wait what it was? Say?
Speaker 1: Now, I will say, tune into the Netflix documentary Outstanding,
Speaker 1: which is the history of LGBTQ comedy. It comes out
Speaker 1: in June and I am featured in it.
Speaker 2: Amazing. Okay, so which one of those do you believe
Speaker 2: the second to last one?
Speaker 1: Okay, boys, I've got a confession. Yeah, that is exactly
Speaker 1: what they thought. It said, Oh, boys, let's play it, and.
Speaker 2: Who are the and who are the boys? Boy, I've
Speaker 2: got a confession. I'm not worrying any underpads.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's hear it now that we know it's boys
Speaker 1: have got it confession?
Speaker 2: Well, and I was like, boys, I got confession. Like,
Speaker 2: there's no Rhythmically, it's not perfect, but it's definitely the closest.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I've heard listen, I've heard promise as,
Speaker 2: I've heard worse anything.
Speaker 1: It could be.
Speaker 2: They could have dropped out the a like, so boys
Speaker 2: have got confession. You know it's probably that.
Speaker 1: I think it's good. Okay, here's one more from the
Speaker 1: same group of people on safe YouTube channel. This is
Speaker 1: at a place and now you might need to help
Speaker 1: me if you know, I don't Is it Governer New York.
Speaker 1: It's a part of New York.
Speaker 2: Oh, governor Governor New York is I don't know. It's
Speaker 2: not about a thousand I know what you mean. I'm
Speaker 2: not a thousand percent sure about the spelling, but.
Speaker 1: I know what you mean. Like, it looks like governor,
Speaker 1: but it's.
Speaker 2: Spelled the governeur.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a yeah, Well it's a fancy governor. And
Speaker 1: this is at a location called Chili Dogs with the
Speaker 1: z Yu Yah, which is now out of business. But
Speaker 1: it was a family restaurant that serves chili dogs I
Speaker 1: would hope so, and it also served the other side.
Speaker 1: Uh so what is this? Chili Dog goes saying, okay,
Speaker 1: it's sure.
Speaker 2: What is this? He said? Sweet potato? He said sweet potato? No, no,
Speaker 2: is that not on the list?
Speaker 1: That's pretty good. Let me play it again. That has
Speaker 1: to be sweet potato, right?
Speaker 2: Is that one of the choices?
Speaker 1: That is not one of the choices?
Speaker 6: Why not?
Speaker 3: It's what you said.
Speaker 1: I know it sounds like sweet potato to me, but
Speaker 1: is it a super weird no? Do you want to
Speaker 1: hear it or should I just go through the yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you sound pretty convinced it sweet? No, but I
Speaker 1: want to I do want to go again, though, so
Speaker 1: is it super weird?
Speaker 2: Could be? It could be?
Speaker 1: Is it be zip it?
Speaker 2: Dear? Not a chance though?
Speaker 1: Is it c sit there?
Speaker 2: I've never heard sweet potato more clearly in my life.
Speaker 2: I mean what, I've ordered a sweet potato at a restaurant.
Speaker 2: I haven't heard it said more clearly.
Speaker 1: We have one more option, is it d this chili
Speaker 1: is fierce?
Speaker 2: It's sweet potato. I would bet my I bet my bippy.
Speaker 1: Wow, the bippy's coming out.
Speaker 2: I'm putting it all on the table for for e
Speaker 2: sweet potato.
Speaker 1: It definitely could be. Listen, we don't know. But of
Speaker 1: those options, which one do you think it is? Do
Speaker 1: you think it's super weird?
Speaker 2: The first one super weird, super weird?
Speaker 1: Okay, they believe it was c sit there. Okay, now
Speaker 1: that we know that, more time there. Now it's sweet potato.
Speaker 2: Put it. Put that in the comments of the YouTube,
Speaker 2: sweet potato, over and over and over in the comments
Speaker 2: till they block you seriously at the sweet potato, dumb dumbs.
Speaker 2: Because also they're calling a chili dog plays. Look up
Speaker 2: the menu of chili dogs with the z and tell
Speaker 2: me if they hadweet potatoes on the menu, because if
Speaker 2: they did, then this conversation is Olah. This lady was
Speaker 2: literally ordering something. Right, He's like the most like, you
Speaker 2: don't need to be detective Colombo to put or two
Speaker 2: together here. It's a food she's calling a restaurant. Is
Speaker 2: not inconceivable that a place with chili dogs would have
Speaker 2: sweet potatoes on the menu. It's not my kind of restaurant.
Speaker 2: Just kidding as it is.
Speaker 1: Julie kill me. Colombo is my number one in inspiration
Speaker 1: as a paranormal investigator because Colombo was the skeptic of
Speaker 1: all skeptics. You think so, yes, he was so sarcastic
Speaker 1: the way he was always just like, oh, really, that's
Speaker 1: what happened.
Speaker 2: And then they never thought of it that way.
Speaker 1: I thought that he knows the second the episode starts
Speaker 1: what happened.
Speaker 2: No, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right. I
Speaker 2: guess I just never thought of his like acting dumb
Speaker 2: as being a phone thing. It just kind of seemed
Speaker 2: like his nature like to be curious and open and
Speaker 2: he's like the simple child. Not but but I but
Speaker 2: I hear what you're saying, Like in a way. He
Speaker 2: was like, kind of faking it.
Speaker 1: I feel like he's so sarcastic.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's kind of passive aggressive.
Speaker 1: Passive aggressive. Yeah, you're right, you're right, he's very just like, Wow,
Speaker 1: that happened. That's I can't even I can't believe something
Speaker 1: like that would have happened.
Speaker 2: But isn't that a tribute to like how desperately we
Speaker 2: need people to be nice? Is even when you know
Speaker 2: they're faked, still feels good. That have your you know,
Speaker 2: your butt kissed.
Speaker 1: Totally, which reminds me. I'm going to take a picture
Speaker 1: right now of Colombo dingus with my giz mo. Oh boy, well,
Speaker 1: let me just do one last thing here. I just
Speaker 1: want to hear some of your thoughts on various paranormal
Speaker 1: okay things as part of this. You know, in this
Speaker 1: world of the paranormal, we haven't even taught aliens UFOs.
Speaker 1: What do you think of that?
Speaker 2: Oh, I think they're out there. I want I want
Speaker 2: to meet one. I want them to make contact with me,
Speaker 2: because everybody seemed to have contact, but old Julie. That's
Speaker 2: what I see out there is Oh I got invited
Speaker 2: to this party, and oh I see the photos on Instagram.
Speaker 2: That must have been a good time.
Speaker 6: Oh.
Speaker 1: I have major alien fomo. Anytime I hear these people
Speaker 1: that think they're so like traumatized because they got taken
Speaker 1: up there, I'm like, you're this is your bread. It's
Speaker 1: called a humble brag. Actually is what you're doing.
Speaker 2: It's et fomo is what I said. That's what I
Speaker 2: have to.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, have you ever seen Et? Have I
Speaker 1: seen Et the movie? Yes? Of course I'm not the.
Speaker 2: Guy, although I'm sure he's around La you see him
Speaker 2: for ET? Oh?
Speaker 1: Actual Et? That that actual.
Speaker 2: He was in a huge movie.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I used to do drag with him, did you Yeah?
Speaker 1: After him with his wig and his little hat.
Speaker 2: Oh, he was so cute when he dressed up like
Speaker 2: what did Drew Barry Morris dolls? Yeah, no, there was.
Speaker 2: There was an episode did you ever see the Tonys
Speaker 2: that Ellen Coming hosted with Kristin chennowt oh, of course
Speaker 2: and she dressed up like Et.
Speaker 1: It was so funny, absolutely.
Speaker 2: To introduce fun home and she came up by oh
Speaker 2: and then last it was the best joke that's ever existed,
Speaker 2: Like amount of work. Oh, it was just like that's
Speaker 2: my robot Empire.
Speaker 1: I definitely have the photo of her with like the
Speaker 1: head off, like back stage, like I have on my
Speaker 1: phone and I'll.
Speaker 2: Always keep that on. I forget which contact I assigned
Speaker 2: it to, but it's somebody.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's possible. You could go up there and
Speaker 1: all of these creatures take off their heads and Kristin
Speaker 1: Channowett is in there and there's just a bunch of
Speaker 1: little Christian.
Speaker 2: But explain her talent. It would blame her talent.
Speaker 1: That's just out of this world. Okay, what do you
Speaker 1: think of big Butt. I think he's funny, my favorite comic.
Speaker 2: I think he makes me laugh. He's got a goofy way.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it's all about leave him wanting more, you know.
Speaker 2: He he just sort of appears, yes, very little, definitely, Yeah, tall,
Speaker 2: dark and handsome and harry and he's he kind of
Speaker 2: sees you and he wants see you, and then you
Speaker 2: don't see him for a while and his fear big
Speaker 2: and yeah, sexy, sexy, sexy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is kind of the best because when he
Speaker 1: does appear, it's like this guy like you. Yes, no
Speaker 1: one ever says, oh God, Bigfoot's.
Speaker 2: Back, you know, No, No, they're always excited and You're
Speaker 2: absolutely right. He's always he always leaves him wanting more,
Speaker 2: and he's also kind of like that quiet, quiet, tall guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm very into that. Yeah, what do you think
Speaker 1: of psychics? Going back to it, I'm just wondering, have
Speaker 1: you been to one?
Speaker 4: I have.
Speaker 2: I've been to people that have read my tarot cards,
Speaker 2: and I've been to people that kind of use tarot
Speaker 2: cards while they're like talking to me.
Speaker 1: Do you believe in that?
Speaker 2: I think ultimately you're having a conversation with another human
Speaker 2: being who has a new insight into you, and that's
Speaker 2: always an exciting experience to have, right, I think there's
Speaker 2: benefits to it. But do I believe in it? I'm not.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say I have faith, but I am certainly like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, probably not, probably not. But the door
Speaker 2: is never the door is never.
Speaker 1: Completely shut when it comes to like synchronosities. And are
Speaker 1: you someone that goes, oh, what a coincidence? Or do
Speaker 1: you like maybe entertain it a little bit?
Speaker 2: I think it depends on where I am in the moment,
Speaker 2: and if I need a sign, then I'll read a
Speaker 2: sign totally.
Speaker 1: Have you ever had any moments that come to mind
Speaker 1: where you're like, that's more than a coincidence.
Speaker 2: Oh boy, uh, I wish I could think of a
Speaker 2: specific one. But but sometimes I'll be thinking of someone
Speaker 2: and they'll reach out or I'll be you know, my friend,
Speaker 2: my best my best friend. Nate and I have have
Speaker 2: a friend that's no longer with us. His name is
Speaker 2: was David, and so every once in a while, Nate,
Speaker 2: I'll be like, oh, like David, David reached out today,
Speaker 2: Like we you know, we got like a little message
Speaker 2: from David in the form of you know, like Eliza
Speaker 2: Minelli song popping up, or you know, we have like
Speaker 2: his bench downtown that will find that we were passing,
Speaker 2: or you know, like things like that are always comforting
Speaker 2: because you feel like you have a connection with people
Speaker 2: that are no longer here. Yes, but yeah, I think
Speaker 2: it's the same way. It's like, if you need it,
Speaker 2: that's how you'll see it, and if you don't, you'll say, oh,
Speaker 2: that's funny, totally.
Speaker 1: It's comforting and fun to like entertain that stuff.
Speaker 2: It should be and if it's not, then that's when
Speaker 2: you kind of pull back and say, like, wait, how
Speaker 2: much money did I give this person? Or you know
Speaker 2: what am I planning. Why can't I do this until
Speaker 2: August again? Or things that are affecting you in ways
Speaker 2: that might not be great, then that's a problem totally.
Speaker 1: Well, I think we should just end it on that,
Speaker 1: because you gave me a lot. You gave me so much.
Speaker 2: I'm so happy I could give you the gifts that
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 1: These are so many gifts you being on the show.
Speaker 1: And I want you to tell people where they can
Speaker 1: find you and what you want them to know.
Speaker 2: I want them to know that I co host Double
Speaker 2: Threat with Tom Sharpling, and I think I have more
Speaker 2: podcast stuff coming later this year. And I'm on social
Speaker 2: media for some god a reason. I having to do
Speaker 2: with my mascos or se prove self promotion. Right, that's
Speaker 2: why I'm on social media.
Speaker 1: I love your social media.
Speaker 2: Thank you. That makes one of us, because it don't
Speaker 2: make me happy, Riz. I find myself scrolling and I go, wow,
Speaker 2: I feel terrible. Imagine doing something every day for hours
Speaker 2: and being like that makes me feel bad. You just
Speaker 2: stop doing it, wouldn't you anyway?
Speaker 1: Yeah, a normal person would a normal brain. But we're
Speaker 1: all picture, we all feel this way.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's good to know. Oh, and Difficult People is
Speaker 2: available on Hulus. You should watch my show Difficult People.
Speaker 2: I created that show from my heart and soul.
Speaker 1: Yes, you star in it with Billy Eichner, and it's
Speaker 1: so funny and thank you. People absolutely need to check
Speaker 1: that out. But your podcast that I listen to NonStop,
Speaker 1: I feel like it's not just like you and Tom.
Speaker 1: Like you guys have like a full universe you've created
Speaker 1: with car and it's a where do you think people
Speaker 1: should start? Should they go all the way back to
Speaker 1: the beginning or just jump in?
Speaker 2: That's a good question.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of references. I'm just trying to think
Speaker 1: how people can jump on the wave and ride it because.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, that's a good question because there's a
Speaker 2: lot of inside jokes and things like that.
Speaker 1: Right, I don't know. I just think that people need
Speaker 1: to just pick one and get in, and you'll.
Speaker 2: Know pretty soon any episode you pick if it's for
Speaker 2: you or not. Because we've got big personalities and we
Speaker 2: have our rapport. We know each other well enough to
Speaker 2: kind of build something together. And if you you know,
Speaker 2: if you smell what the rock is cooking and it
Speaker 2: don't make you nauseous.
Speaker 1: And keep eating my favorite chef.
Speaker 2: That's what I've always said. Yes, I'm so glad you
Speaker 2: I'm so glad you're a fan of the podcast. It's
Speaker 2: it's really fun to do.
Speaker 1: I'm a fan of everything you do, and now I
Speaker 1: am a huge fan of you talking about ghosts and
Speaker 1: thank you for doing this.
Speaker 2: It's my pleasure. I had a blast. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much to Julie Klausner. Hey, make sure
Speaker 1: you're rating us five stars and doing all that good stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm still trying so hard to become famous on Instagram,
Speaker 1: so please follow me at Roz Hernandez, and of course
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Speaker 1: and dead. But if I didn't ask you to haunt me,
Speaker 1: don't haunt me, hey By, this has been an exactly
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Speaker 1: it's Roz Hernandez. My senior producer is the startling Jiha Lee.
Speaker 1: Associate producer is the alarming Christina Chamberlain. This episode was
Speaker 1: mixed and sound designed by the eerie Edson Choi. My
Speaker 1: guest booker is the petrifying Patrick Kuttner. Additional production support
Speaker 1: from the hair raising Hannah Kyle Crichton. My theme music
Speaker 1: is by the spine chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by
Speaker 1: the Spooky Vanessa Lilac. Photography by the terrifying Elizabeth Karen.
Speaker 1: Executive produced by the Chilling Karen Kilgaro, the Spookky Georgia
Speaker 1: Hard Start, and the Frightening Danielle Kramer.