WEBVTT - Soap in the Hole with Cat and Nat 0:00:01.040 --> 0:00:07.240 Hi, Good morning, Katherine, Hello morning. Does everybody want to 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:09.720 hear me sing? I don't think so. But I have 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:11.920 learned how to dance a little bit. What I've learned 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:14.120 is to just side step to the beat, like just 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:16.759 a two steps. I can do that. So I'm going 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:19.160 to do that just for everything, and I'm not going 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:21.560 to try to get anything more complicated than that. You 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:24.560 know what, Chelsea, we had. I just sorry, Katherine. I 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:26.720 just want everyone to know that I'm drinking room temperature 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:29.440 water right now. It's actually got a little bit of 0:00:29.480 --> 0:00:32.159 a coolness to it, so it's palatable. But this is 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:34.760 a real tough bill for me to swallow. She does 0:00:34.840 --> 0:00:36.680 not like the water. I left my thermis in my car. 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:39.080 I love my thermiss. By the way, shout out to Welly. 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:41.360 They make the best thermiss. I could put ice in 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:44.480 my Welly bottle and it's ice three days later. Yes, 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:48.320 can I tell you something? I have made yogurt in 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:52.400 my Welly bottle before you know what, Katherine, this is 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:55.720 not something I want to hear about. I says, right up, 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:59.000 I'm surprised you did say cottage cheese. I have made 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:01.880 my own cheese. Actually, of you, I mean fucking Brad 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:05.119 your way to bury the lead. Being married to Catherine, 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:08.640 She's up to no good. I love fermented foods. I 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:10.840 had a military death on one of my planes the 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:13.160 other day and we stopped and they were transporting a 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:19.680 military bottle body and there were those a whole ceremony 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:22.759 outside the plane with like the military and their family, 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:25.360 which was sad because they were all crying, but it 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:28.120 was really sweet to see the how they do that. 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:30.479 I was like, well, wait, I guess the airports aren't 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:32.360 that fucked up if they can swing this, like you 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:34.680 know what. I mean that releas had some decorum and 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:38.039 some respect because I don't know what's happening with flights lately, 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:41.240 but something is way hole. One of my girlfriends got 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:44.119 stuck at Burbank Airport for like all of Christmas Day. 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:48.400 Everyone did canceled all their flights. I mean, yeah, it's 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:51.680 been pretty brutal the travel situation. But I guess I 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:54.320 have to tell you, Chelsea, we have not had a 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:57.280 question in a long time that's had as much totally 0:01:57.360 --> 0:02:01.440 varied feedback as Jesse from a fore weeks ago. She 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:03.720 called in and remember we talked to her like all 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:07.160 like the entire episode with Brooke Shields about her in 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:10.640 laws yelling at her on the rafting trip, and then 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:12.680 we kind of got We discovered at the call she 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:15.880 seemed to be she needed to do some work. Yeah, 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:17.880 we discovered that early on, but we were trying to 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:22.040 be respectful before, at least I was before I told her. Yeah, 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:24.519 so with the dishwashing. But we had people emailing in 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:27.519 being like, go get her girls, she did wrong. Other 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:30.160 people being like, no, it was totally her in law's 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:32.120 fault for screaming at her, and I just thought it 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:33.760 was really interesting. I don't know if you've gotten damns 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:37.080 about this, but I've gotten a lot of I haven't. Yeah, 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:41.480 that's interesting, Yeah, I'm sure. Well, everybody's very relatable situation, right, Yeah, 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:44.840 it's it's tough within laws. I think nobody doesn't get married. 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:48.240 You don't have to deal with that another reason to 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:50.800 another perk to not being married. I think, you know, 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:52.960 her family's got some ship to work out too, because 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:55.239 if somebody screaming at you about dishes two years later 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:57.320 they wanted something to be mad at you about, you 0:02:57.320 --> 0:02:59.160 know what I mean. I think that's a really kind 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:02.680 of icky thing to do. If you're at someone's house 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:05.880 and you make a habit of nobody's supposed to ask 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:08.160 you to help at someone else's house. Like, it's not 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:10.680 the onus is not on them, jump in. You gotta 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:13.240 even I do it, and not even I, because like 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:15.560 I'm someone special, even I, who doesn't know how to 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:18.639 wash dishes, I shouldn't be washing dishes. It's worse when 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:22.040 I do it. Yeah, I always just get up and try. Yeah. 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:25.000 I try to make an effort because it's manners. I mean, 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:27.839 it's pretty basic. But people were up in arms about 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:30.600 jose Well. People were up in arms once when I 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:33.600 did some poll about toilet paper whether it should be 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:36.880 upside down coming from them or coming from the top 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:39.160 or I was on the Drew Barrymore Show and we 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:42.000 were doing something and it was the biggest thing. I mean, 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:45.920 there were like fifteen thousand comments about people's opinions. And 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:49.040 I finally figured out that I prefer because I had 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:52.280 never thought about it before, prefer it from the bottom. 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:55.160 You do. I don't want it from the top, Yeah, 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:59.000 you do. Interesting. We're just different in every way, Chelsea. Well, yeah, 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:02.120 so so far we have not found one similarity except 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:05.520 that we both are on this podcast. That's accurate. That's 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:11.120 what we have in common. Well, Chelsea, today we have 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:15.280 some really exciting guests. Okay, great, I can't wait. I 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:18.680 can't wait to find out who they are today. Where 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:21.599 you Yeah, we have my two Canadian mom friends, Cat 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:24.960 and Nat. These girls are too hot, fucking messes, and 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:28.359 I'm excited to have them on because their besties. And 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:32.039 then they tore around well, they tore around America too 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:35.440 and Canada and they both have a bunch of children 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:39.400 and they talk a lot about motherhood, parenting and I 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:41.040 don't know what who journed me on to them, but 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:44.080 we're buddies now. They have seven kids between them. That's 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:50.279 better than me having them. Are you guys ride sharing? Yeah? 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:53.440 We always. She doesn't drives a car and a license, 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:56.280 but you won't drive. I don't drive in the highway. 0:04:56.760 --> 0:04:59.080 Just in the city. Only a few streets the city 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:01.839 or the suburb. No, we're in the city. I like 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:04.000 the city because it's short streets, lots of lights, like 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:05.960 everything is really fast and quick. But if you go 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:08.080 to suburbs, you have to take the highway. I don't 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:11.680 go there. Okay, this is Cat, I mean, this is sorry, 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:14.960 this is Catherine and this is Cat and this is no, 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:20.559 well wait you Nat, and that doesn't it doesn't matter. Yeah, 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:23.520 basically just called them both cats. We can all three 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:26.360 b cat today. When they meet us there say your 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:29.080 cat and not even if we're not together, Hi, oh, 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:32.279 I love you Cat, and that that's it. So it's literally, 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:35.560 it's it's totally fine. I mean, look at us would 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:38.840 be confused to I know it is. It is very 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:41.720 confusing because you guys do really look a lot alike, 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:44.359 but only from hanging out with you. I know that 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:47.960 Cat is more of like a busy body and Nat 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:55.040 is a little bit lazier. Yeah, not vertically, no, horizontally. 0:05:56.760 --> 0:05:59.240 They don't want to They went on tour. Okay, let's 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:01.040 talk about the jet assist of you guys, so that 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:03.839 I want Katherin to be as familiar with me because 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:05.560 I don't even remember how I met you too. I 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:10.080 just know that we are friends now. But explain to Catherine, 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:13.000 explain the genesis of everything that you do do You 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:16.359 guys went on tour as mothers. Basically, right, you're talking 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:19.960 about motherhood all the time on your Instagram and how 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:22.279 nuts it is. First of all, it was a joke. 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:25.920 We decided to do a show as a joke because 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:29.520 no one invites us anywhere. So we were like, oh, 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:32.560 we'll make a party and we are first show you guys. 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:37.240 We threw for free gay, free drinks, and free appetizers 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:40.120 for everybody. We we we wanted to host a party. 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:42.160 We didn't pay for it. We found people to like 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:45.000 sponsor it. So we host a party in a theater 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:47.320 and then we go out to like go have a 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:51.080 cocktail party with everyone, and they mall like, we get mauled. 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:53.360 We were like, oh, we were just here to hang 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:55.359 out and we couldn't get through the crowd. The security 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:58.160 guard basically took us and pulled us back inside. I 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:00.880 was like, that's weird. That was weird, Like we just 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:03.040 seen an excuse to get away from the seven kids 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:05.440 and go and have a party. And for our party, 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:09.159 we wanted a DJ, we wanted strippers, who wanted flamingo dancers. 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:11.000 We wanted dancing, We want a drink in, we want 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:13.360 a champagne. So we just created a party and then 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:16.640 started selling tickets to it, and then our agents were like, Okay, 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:19.680 if you can sell out like three more theaters, we'll 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:22.720 talk about a tour. Okay, just kind of all came together. 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:24.960 We had a podcast and I don't know, I wrote 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:27.280 a couple of books and then Chelsea once like commented 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:30.720 on our Instagram and we died and and the people 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:33.560 were Texas. You see the Chelsea with oh my gods 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:35.320 that I don't want to actually talk to her like 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:36.880 I didn't want to. I'm like, don't say yes to 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:40.240 our podcast because that's pressure. And then because you're like 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:44.280 a real you're funny, we're funny and famous, were not 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:46.840 us her I closely And then it was more like 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:50.040 we're just ship shows and people liked that. And now 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:52.640 we've seen Chelsea three times this year. One we came 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:56.040 to your show in Toronto to you medicine, soho. Three 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:58.760 we're seeing you right now. Where do you guys live? 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:02.080 And you live into so so everyone knows they're Canadian 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:05.200 but they tore in America. So what was your agent 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:07.600 for before you decided to start? How did you even 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:11.720 have an agent? She emailed every w and just said, 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:14.240 you know what we're heading at and we we need 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:16.520 someone to help us with deals and they said yes. 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:18.360 It was so weird, but we did. We were doing 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:20.320 like we were doing videos. We were doing the mom 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:23.320 shoots videos and those were videos in the car just 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:25.440 like talking about what it's like to be a mom. 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:27.640 We were doing what else do we do? But not 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:30.040 glorifying what it's like to be a mom. They tell 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:32.199 how hard it is to be a mom, just how 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:34.600 demanding it is and all the disappointments, and that you're 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:36.160 not gonna win all the time, and there's gonna be 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:37.960 a lot of failures and you're gonna feel like a 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:40.880 failure and that all of that is fine. Yeah, and 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:43.080 that's exactly how we felt when we first had our babies. 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:44.400 We were just like we thought this was going to 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:47.480 be so beautiful and it's actually not, and nobody's talking 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:49.760 about it. So let's just start doing some videos. Because 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:51.880 a lot of moms were like blogging at the time, 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:53.360 and we weren't going to sit down and write, so 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:55.640 we did videos. No one was doing videos. Social media 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:58.000 wasn't really a thing. And then everything just came at 0:08:58.000 --> 0:08:59.839 the same time. Like we had been doing live streaming 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:01.640 through you do in the Facebook Live games, so we 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:04.600 turned it to Facebook Live. It's been a lot of 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:07.760 like chance and opportunity and saying yes, you know, we 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:09.920 were We went to a conference that we had really 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:11.959 no idea. We just kind of decided to go. And 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:15.000 the Today Show was there and the two producers they 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:17.160 found us walking in the hallway and they asked us 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:19.640 a question and then they were like, wait, will you 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:22.120 two come with us here? Yeah? Sure, and then we 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:24.760 just went with them. And then it's actually been a 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:27.840 lot of women who because we really are naive and 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:30.280 in this world of what we've been doing, and it's 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:33.960 really been women like you, Chelsea and like the Today's Show, 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:36.880 and people have just said like yes, and they've they've 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:38.960 just helped us. And you know, when you open a door, 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:42.640 like even when you comment, that's what people see and 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:45.280 they're like, oh, she's looking at them. That means that 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:48.400 they're worthy of me looking at them. Unfortunately, it's sort 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:50.200 of the way it looks. And even when you don't 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:54.240 think you're opening doors, kindness goes so far and you, 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:56.480 you personally have opened a ton of doors for us, 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:58.439 and we know people say yes because you've said yes. 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:00.440 So I just think, you know, I see like Amy 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:03.400 Schumern now comments and bows us, and I'm pretty sure 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:05.720 that that's probably because she saw you. You know what 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:07.680 I mean that you did so that she kind of 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:09.880 took notice enough. I just think a lot of women 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:12.600 have been so impactful in ways they don't know for us, 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:15.560 because it's really a lot of yeses. That's all we've 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:18.120 really done and stumbled and failed and gotten up, and 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:22.160 some shows are do shit and terrible and you're like, oh, 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:24.800 that's not my demo. But you can't let that hurt 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:27.520 your ego because we don't knock it out of every city. 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:29.600 But we figure out, we regroup, and we go back 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:31.440 to the place. You know what I mean. It's always 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:34.520 reverse correct, reverse crackt. It's kind of like that. And 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:36.760 what would you say that you feel like, thus far, 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:40.800 your biggest impact has been for other mothers. I think 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:42.600 it's like for women too. You know, we have a 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:44.920 lot of young people who follow us, like fifteen year 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:47.640 old fourteen year old to wait in the parking lot 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:50.520 after the show and sneaking to our shows to come 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:53.320 see us. And I think that right now it's our 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:55.679 friendship for a lot of people that brings some hope 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:59.040 and that they find comfort in our friendship even more 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:01.800 than motherhood. Oh yeah, that's true, because that's Honestly, that's 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:04.480 what attracted to me, to you, to the bestie vibe. 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:07.200 I always love a bestie dynamic, and I feel like 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:09.520 we funk up constantly, but we pick each other up 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:11.080 and it's because we maybe each other we can do 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:13.400 what we do, and I think that our friendship is 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:15.800 really and the young people are on TikTok, like if 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:18.280 this isn't awesome, older than I don't think, I don't 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:21.200 want to be love that. Yeah, so it's sort of 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:23.360 this weird. You know, you don't have to give up 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:25.440 your best friend because you're an adult, and I think 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:27.200 that's what a lot of people think, you have to 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:29.400 grow up and lose your friendship. No, you just have 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:31.960 to time your babies and families together so that you're 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:34.040 both on the same track. Because I was asking about 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:36.480 their other friendships independent of their own, because you both 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:40.000 have separate groups of friends that don't necessarily cross over 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:43.720 to your cat or NAT. Right, Yeah, that's right. Yeah, 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:46.360 we have separate friendships. We for sure planned a bunch 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:48.440 of them that like we're like, don't you can't pull out, 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:50.040 you know what I mean, Like you're not pulling for you, 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:53.360 but it's like you are stand in there. We planned 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:55.760 the babies before our husbands had any idea what was happening. 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:58.880 It's almost like your husbands are both just so inconsequential 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:02.000 in this dynamic. It's you know, I feel sad for them, 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:05.440 but I also feel like it's you know, good. They travel, 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:08.000 they take care of the kids, they're they're one. Yeah, 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:10.160 let's pick up time right now, and they check off 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:12.240 they're not working so they can pick up the kids. 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:15.320 So they are also a huge reason. They support our 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:17.680 friendship and what we do, so we are very They're 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:21.400 not just sperm, you know what I mean? Okay, well, sure, sure, 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:24.760 we'll agree on that. Also, they travel on a tour 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:27.280 bus and they don't sleep in the same bed because 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:29.920 they don't they're not down with that. But that's more 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:32.640 not than cat right from what I remember. Would you 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:35.240 too sleep together? I'm sleep in a bed with anybody. 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:38.720 I have no problems. I mean, I prefer not if 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:41.880 we're sleeping together. You won't this one over here. Fuck, 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:45.440 you're gonna snubble me. I one friend, I have one 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:47.599 friend who always wants to sleep holding hands. So I 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:48.960 had to kick her out of I go. You know what, 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:51.000 I'm not holding hands with you all that I was 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:53.240 down to sleep with you. She stepped over my house 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:54.679 the other night and we woke up in the morning 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:56.200 and there's plenty of rooms for her to sleep in. 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:58.000 And she got up in the morning and she goes, 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:00.760 I didn't touch you. I didn't touch you. I'm like, yeah, 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:03.600 that's what the fund is supposed to happen. Can't sleep 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:06.160 for me if you're gonna sucking hold my hand, you're 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:09.600 not my boyfriend, you know. Well, honestly, we always say, 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:12.280 like we have tried to teach these seven kids to 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:14.800 sleep independently on their own, and then finally they learned 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:16.400 how to sleep on their own, and then you get 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:17.959 your relationship, and now you're just supposed to share a 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:20.240 bed again, Like it just doesn't make sense for the 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:22.480 way that we have learned how to sleep. So yeah, 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:24.480 I mean she doesn't too. We build a wall between 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:27.880 our husbands and pillows, and I don't want like maybe 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:30.199 his feet might creep over like a hand my cream over, 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:32.000 but that's not gonna happen between the two of us 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:34.840 independent sleeping, like like if I can have my own bed, 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:36.720 I haven't had in my own bed in a long time, 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:39.080 Like someone's in you, on you or wants to get 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:41.160 in you at all times. So you're like when you 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:44.079 get your own bed, it's like that's amazing, sheer heaven. 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:46.640 So you want like Lucy and Ricky style, like two 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:49.960 beds in the bedroom. So sometimes people will fly us 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:52.680 out and we'll get us two rooms, and then we 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:54.760 get to the hotel where like, can we only use 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:56.960 one room with two beds? But can we change that? 0:13:57.040 --> 0:14:00.160 Came to two queens. That's the ultimate for all sleeping 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:02.480 is to be in the same room or the same 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:06.679 house with a big group. But everyone has their own privacy. Katherine, 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:09.560 why did Lucy and Rickie sleep in separate beds? Well, 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:11.760 I think it wasn't allowed for them to have one bed. 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:14.760 Well that was in that time era, like people did that, 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:19.080 people had separate sleeping arrangements. I'm not sure. I guess 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:24.360 why did that change? I'm not sure they were married, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:27.320 they made little Ricky because they were freaking smarter than us, 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:29.560 I guess. I mean that's what that's what needs to 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:32.000 come back in style if it should be retroactive. I 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:34.720 think everyone who has a child, I don't even have 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:36.360 a child, and I feel that way. But anyone who 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:41.400 was a child is definitely on board for separate beds. Yeah, yeah, 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:43.480 I want them too, but they even reject me. They 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:45.600 don't want to say in the bed all night, I 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:47.560 have to leave the little doggy steps. So Bernice will 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:49.760 like humor me. She's like, oh, here we go. You know, 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:52.040 she thinks I'm like assaulting her, so she goes to 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:54.320 her safe spot while I assault her, and then I 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:56.600 put her under the covers like like we're gonna do it. 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:59.520 And I noticed that if I have the confidence of 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:02.840 her not leaving, she will remain. It's when I look 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:05.360 at her and like, you know, and I'm worried about 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:09.560 her leaving. Is when she leaves so she can y Yeah. 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:13.280 And bern has basically turned into some sort of limp biscuit, 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:15.960 so I can't. He's not getting into my bed because 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:20.400 he's frail now, so I have to respect that, even 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:23.320 though he's probably got that way from my abuse. Anyway. 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:25.720 So let's talk a little bit about your friendship. Okay, 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:27.760 we've talked about it before when you guys interviewed me, 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:29.440 but I think it's inspiring for a lot of people 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:32.600 that will be listening. How your friendship works, and what 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:34.960 the benefits to each of your lives are by having 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:39.240 such a close, fun, work friend relationship cat, why don't 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:41.840 you start? I think for us it will Number one. 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:43.960 It allows you to take sort of more risks because 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:46.480 when there's two of you losing and failing, it's a lot, 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:48.800 it's funnier, and it's a lot easier than when it's 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:51.440 one of you. And I think that when you're both 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:55.200 in it together, there's no everything feels fun that we do. 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:58.000 There's nothing. We could be on a delay on an 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:01.040 airplane for twelve hours and it's fun. Need like, there's 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:05.120 it just the stakes just feel different because everything's kind 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:08.440 of a joke, and in a way that when parenting 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:10.600 is going to ship, we call each other and thank god, 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:12.280 it often doesn't go to ship at the same time, 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:14.880 or when your relationship is not great and you always 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:17.520 have someone to share everything with because there's you're so 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:19.760 intimate with them, but you don't have sex with them 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:24.120 that it's like this weird. We're not transactional. We're so 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:26.720 tight that when you know when someone's going through something, 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:28.160 they don't have to say it. The other one can 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:31.320 just pick up the works lack knowing that that one 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:34.360 needs that and vice versa. So it's this weird. I 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:37.320 think we get double done because there's two of us 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:40.680 versus one of us, and there's no If we failed 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:44.440 and lost everything tomorrow, I would be okay because our 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:46.360 ride has been so much fun and we would still 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:49.280 have each other and we probably figure out something else 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:52.960 to do in a different capacity. But this wouldn't change. 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:55.760 And I think that's the coolest thing about our friendship. 0:16:55.800 --> 0:17:00.000 It's friendship first and then fun and then work. Yeah, 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:02.520 what about you? I want you to speak. This is 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:04.359 gonna be hard for her. She doesn't do you feeling. 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:06.640 I know that's why you're going. Second, she got inspired. 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:08.959 She told me recently why I love her. We were 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:10.879 on a plane and we were talking about love and 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:13.760 what love is and why she loves me and I 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:15.920 love her, and she basically told me I love her 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:18.560 because she does things for me like drive me around 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:23.320 and like she says, her plane tickets ever her life. 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:25.000 But I was like, I think it's more than that. 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:27.960 But maybe maybe that's all it is. It's been fourteen 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:30.879 years of being moms together and there has been so 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:34.160 many hard times. It hasn't all been like Keen, We've 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:37.360 had a post part of anxiety, we've had sickness, we've 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:39.439 had so many things. But being able to rely on 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:41.560 your friend too, like she said, pick up, pick up 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:43.960 when the other one can't. But also, like my kids 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:46.480 say to me, you are so lucky. You get to 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:49.480 go to work every day with your best friend and 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:52.040 there's no boss. Right, we're equal bosses, so we don't 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:54.320 have to go into work, have a boss, go to 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:56.959 work all day with a bunch of like weirdos or strangers. 0:17:57.000 --> 0:17:59.280 It's just us and everything we get to do fun. 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:01.040 I do were my them that what we do is work, 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:03.680 and we work hard together, but we worked together really 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:05.840 well because we know each other so well. But yeah, 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:08.200 we get to just have fun. And also it's really 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:10.320 great that our children get to have sort of like 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:13.960 a second mother, so that when um, like our sibling, 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:16.560 our seventh which is my baby, my babies and seventh. 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:20.120 But our seventh is so ferocious because she's had to 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:22.520 have like seven above her, like she's grown up with 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:26.320 six siblings. Essentially she's ferocious. I'm the youngest of six, 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:29.760 so I know exactly what you're talking. Ferocious are two 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:33.240 babies are ferocious, and I just think they're so lucky 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:36.040 that they always have a built in tribe. Like you know, 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:37.520 I'm sure you feel it, like when you have a 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:39.200