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Speaker 1: From how Stuff Works dot Com, Hey, welcome the podcast.

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Speaker 1: This is Molly and I'm Kristen Christon's day. We're going

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Speaker 1: to discuss polycystic ovary syndrome. And this has been a

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Speaker 1: you waited, if only because all of the elements that

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Speaker 1: go in to polycystic overary syndrome or p COST as

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Speaker 1: for example, women and their insecurity or security over hair

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Speaker 1: embody hair, uh security and insecurity about menstruation, how difficult

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Speaker 1: that is to talk about acne, in fertility, like everything

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Speaker 1: that we've ever mentioned about things that are hard to

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Speaker 1: accept or to get just right in this society about

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Speaker 1: being a woman, they come into play in this condition.

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Speaker 1: So I'm kind of gladuated because we when we talked

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Speaker 1: then about how hard it is to like have you know,

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Speaker 1: certain you know conditions, it will reflect back on the

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Speaker 1: difficulty we've discussed before. I think You're exactly right, and uh,

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Speaker 1: picos has actually been around for a while, even though

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Speaker 1: it sounds like from the research, Molly that you and

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Speaker 1: I've done, it's really only come into the forefront of

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Speaker 1: women's medicine in the past uh ten or so years UM.

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Speaker 1: It was initially discovered or identified, if you will, around

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Speaker 1: seventy years ago UM, and it used to be called

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Speaker 1: stein Levinthal syndrome after the two doctors who discovered it

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Speaker 1: in ninety five. And it affects as many as ten

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Speaker 1: that we'll get into later in this podcast. Because rather

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Speaker 1: to identify what The good thing is that more doctors

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Speaker 1: as Molly, you and I've have, really discovered through our research.

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Speaker 1: Is not a pleasant syndrome. I would say it's downright

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Speaker 1: awful because it sounds pretty awful. Let's go over the symptoms,

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Speaker 1: because I think that will demonstrate to listeners just what

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Speaker 1: terms of difficulty just living your life. UM. As the

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Speaker 1: name implies, something's going on with your ovaries. You have

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Speaker 1: your ovaries. And as that implies, you have a regular

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Speaker 1: UM due to abnormal hormone levels UM and it's the

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Speaker 1: hormones are f s H and l H, which are

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Speaker 1: and this imbalance can lead to a host of symptoms

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Speaker 1: including infertility, obesity, acne, excessive facial hair and body hair, diabetes,

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Speaker 1: heart disease, and uterine cancer. Yes, so these hormones that

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