1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: This is the most traumatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast. 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Chris Harrison coming to you today with a 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: very interesting show. I have heard these stories about Nick Thompson. 4 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: He was a contestant on season two of Love Is Blind. 5 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: Seemingly he had a really good journey. To use an 6 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: old catchphrase of mind, the show went well. He met 7 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: this woman, Danielle, they fell in love, they got married. 8 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 1: But then it all changed and these articles started coming 9 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: out about some interviews he had given that he and Danielle, 10 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: the woman he married and fell in love with on 11 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: the show, they got divorced. That's true, but his life 12 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 1: has been turned upside down. He has since lost his job, 13 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: He has allegedly is on the verge of becoming homeless 14 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: because of all this, and there is this kind of 15 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: war of words of okay, is he mentally healthy? Was 16 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 1: it the show's fault? Is it production's fault? What is 17 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: going on with this story? And to me, the reason 18 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: it sparks my interest is something's not connecting. I've read 19 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: these stories and if you watch the show and you 20 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: read these articles, it doesn't make sense to me. And 21 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: so I'm a big believer of instead of reading clickbait 22 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: headlines and going through life like that. Let's go to 23 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: the guy himself. Let's go to the source and let's 24 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 1: talk to Nick Thompson and find out what is true, 25 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: what is fact, and what is fiction. And that's what 26 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: we're going to do today. We're going to get to 27 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: the bottom of this. A very captivating, compelling interview with 28 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: Nick Thompson. And joining me now is Nick Thompson. 29 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 2: Nick. 30 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: First of all, thanks for the time. 31 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 3: Oh, thank you. I'm happy to be here. It's nice 32 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 3: to have an opportunity to meet you and talk to you. 33 00:01:57,560 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. 34 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: I really wanted to reach out to you and get 35 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: you on the podcast because I found your story. I 36 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: was really captivated. I read a couple of articles and 37 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: I couldn't quite connect the dots because it seemed that 38 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 1: I was missing something in this story. And I said, well, 39 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: there's got to be more to this. Because the guy 40 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:21,239 Speaker 1: we all saw in love is blind. You weren't a villain, 41 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: you weren't cast or portrayed as this bad guy. So 42 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: I'm like, there's some sort of disconnects. So I'm like, Okay, 43 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: what's going on with Nick Thompson? And so I'm like, 44 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: let's just go to the source. 45 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 3: That's a great place to go because I'm sure, as 46 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 3: you know and I've probably experienced, the media isn't always telling. 47 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 2: The full story. 48 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 3: Ye come on, you know it's mind blowing, and hey, 49 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 3: then to past a clickbaity headline is way too much 50 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 3: to ask for a lot of people. 51 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: Ye I've dealt with That's okay. I've dealt with more 52 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: than two or three of those. 53 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what, I think. I know you have too, 54 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 3: I've seen them. 55 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 2: I have. 56 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 3: I think it's funny because you see like attention span shortening, 57 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 3: but then you see things like podcasts and long form 58 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 3: conversations sort of growing in popularity. So it's like a 59 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:14,959 Speaker 3: weird disconnect for me. So we could have this nice 60 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 3: conversation here and you know, get the whole story, but 61 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 3: people also don't want to click past a headline. It's 62 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 3: such a unique dynamic. 63 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: You're right. I mean, as the TikTok world or Instagram 64 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: whatever reels world has captivated us, I think more and 65 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: more of us have also railed against it, whether it's 66 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: the you know, I think Joe Rogan kind of broke 67 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 1: that mold of like, no, I'm just going to go 68 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: do my own show. And I know when I went 69 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: through what I went through, I wish I had followed 70 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: that kind of Rogan Chappelle model where I'm like, I'm 71 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: just going to go tell my own story in long form, 72 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,119 Speaker 1: like you said, where there's no there's no headline, there's 73 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: no clickbait. It is amazing to me the things that 74 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: get put up in a headline and that are okay, 75 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: and then if you actually read the story and you 76 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: get to the fourth paragraph, you realize there's no meat 77 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: to this. So it is it's just one more thing 78 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: you have to battle in this world. But you know, 79 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: so be. 80 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 2: It's it's so true. 81 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 3: And I heard you talking about that on your show 82 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 3: that dropped yesterday actually where you guys were talking about 83 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 3: Caitlin and Jason, and yeah, you know, just one thing 84 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 3: you said, by the way, I just really stuck with me, 85 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 3: was you were you said that I don't leave the 86 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 3: comment if it's not contributing good to the world or 87 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 3: something along those lines. And I just want to say, like, 88 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 3: we're all human beings, and the amount of people who 89 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 3: read a headline about me last week and have decided 90 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 3: that they were going to use that as an opportunity 91 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 3: to be cruel, which you know, those things don't bother me, 92 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 3: but you know, it's just like look in the mirror 93 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 3: a little bit and read past the headline and try 94 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 3: and understand what's actually going on, because we're all human beings. 95 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 3: Like you're a human being, I'm a human being. We 96 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 3: all just have some of our stuff public. 97 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, when I was going through the 98 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: Bachelor and Bacherette world, it was this new adventure for me, 99 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: but it's this. It was the same profession and so 100 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: I had this assent in this business for thirty years. 101 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 1: I had been a sportscaster. I cut my teeth in 102 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: local news and was a journalist. Then you know, people 103 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: saw the top five percent when I became the host 104 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: of The Bachelor. I've been doing this a long time, 105 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:14,119 Speaker 1: so it was nothing new for me to hear people 106 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: chirping from you know, the back row. But when you 107 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,559 Speaker 1: are Nick Thompson, when you are Caitlin Bristow or Jason 108 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: Tartick and you just come on this show, it's hard. 109 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 1: And I try to prepare people, but it's hard for 110 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: people to understand when you are essentially shot out of 111 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: a cannon. You know, and people will say, oh, Nick, 112 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: you signed up for this. Well, yes, but you also 113 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: probably didn't quite understand until you got into it exactly 114 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 1: what you signed up for. Is that accurate? 115 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 3: That's one hundred percent accurate. And you know, for you know, 116 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 3: one of the examples I share with love is blind, 117 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 3: is I signed up. For example, I knew I was 118 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 3: giving away my phone and my connection to the internet, 119 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 3: my connection to family and friends for three weeks if 120 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 3: I made it, you know, into the engagement portion. And 121 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 3: what I didn't know is that I wouldn't be able 122 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 3: to like leave a hotel room, or I wouldn't be 123 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 3: able to get food or water at my discretion. So 124 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 3: there's things like that that people you know, and they 125 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 3: look and I wonder what it is. It's probably a 126 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 3: little jealousy, probably a little projection, but it is like 127 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 3: even if you think, Okay, I'm not going to be 128 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 3: able to eat and drink water, you know, at my discretion, 129 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 3: do you know how your body's going to react to that? 130 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 3: Do you know how your mind's going to react to that? 131 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 3: Do you know how the imbalances and your hormones, Like, 132 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 3: there's just so many things that you can't put in 133 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 3: a contract or put on paper. 134 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 2: You know. 135 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 1: One of the things I find interesting and I always 136 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: found this the study of human behavior fascinating when I 137 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: was hosting the show for so many decades. And I 138 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 1: know Love is Blind is no different, as all these 139 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: shows are somewhat similar in their approach. What I find 140 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 1: fascinating is when you take away Nick's defense mechanisms, the 141 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: things that you rely on every day. We all have 142 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: things that we do, whether you know it or not 143 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: or pay attention to. Maybe you call your brother, maybe 144 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: you call your mom, Maybe you go work out and 145 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: you hit a punching bag, maybe whatever your spin class. 146 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: The things that we do that relieve that stress and tension, 147 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:11,679 Speaker 1: so we don't have to just live in our feelings 148 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: in emotion all the time. So on one level, it 149 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: is very healthy because you have to deal with yourself. 150 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: You can't go on your phone, you can't get relief 151 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: from this. But at the same time, it's a tough 152 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: place to be if you're not used to that and 153 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: you're not prepared for it. 154 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 3: That's so well said. I couldn't agree more. And that's 155 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 3: one thing when people I talk to, some people who 156 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 3: are thinking about a show or have been cast in 157 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 3: a show, and you know, they ask, well, what's it like? 158 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 3: What do I need to prepare for? Is this something 159 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 3: I should do? And I don't ever tell people what 160 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 3: to do, but I share my experience. And one of 161 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 3: the things I say is is similar to you. It's 162 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 3: you're in your everyday life and then you're you're taking 163 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 3: Like me, I take a walk every morning. That is 164 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 3: very important to me to clear my head, get you know, 165 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 3: my my chemicals balanced, my certificating clock super important to me. 166 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 3: That was taken away from me. I intermittent fast. My 167 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 3: schedule for eating used to be between like noon and seven, 168 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 3: and here it was just like all over the place. 169 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 3: And that you know, that impects your gut, it impects 170 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 3: your body, it impects your mind. And then the working out, 171 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 3: like there wasn't a lot of opportunity to work out, 172 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 3: and that's something I do five six times a week. 173 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 3: So it is that that whole, that whole process, and 174 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 3: that whole entire sort of template you put around your 175 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 3: life or structure you put around your life that is 176 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 3: just completely stripped away. So even those tiny little things 177 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 3: that happen in a day that help keep you clear 178 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 3: or or help make you feel better. 179 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 2: Those are just. 180 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: Golf and you know, and by no means do I 181 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: mean to attack the you know, Love is Blind producers. 182 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: I don't know them and I wasn't on the set. 183 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: And in their defense, just because I know the other side, 184 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: they're also just doing their job. They're like, we just 185 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: need Nick ready to go at eight o'clock, nine o'clock whatever, 186 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: and oh, we're behind schedules, so they're not even thinking about, oh, 187 00:08:57,559 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: I know Nick needs to get up and like get 188 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: his exercise to be healthy and to do now. You know, 189 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: it's like they're just You're an employee essentially at that time. 190 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: So my I guess my question is when you came 191 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: into it, what were you expecting? And then how did 192 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: it turn out that was so great, that made such 193 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: an impact in your. 194 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 3: Life, So that it's so interesting because I didn't know 195 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 3: what to expect. I actually didn't really watch much reality TV. 196 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 3: I watched Nick Vile season ironically from the Bachelor, and 197 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 3: that's probably the only non competition reality show that I watched. 198 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 3: And I only watched that too, just because we were 199 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,839 Speaker 3: doing one of those tournament brackets at work. 200 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 2: It's like, well, I want to be a part of that. 201 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 3: So so you know, I didn't have a lot of experience, 202 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 3: and you know, they actually reached out to me through LinkedIn, 203 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 3: where you know, that was where I had most of 204 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 3: my social media presence other than my Instagram dog photos. 205 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 3: But but you know when they when they came to me, 206 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 3: I was kind of like, I was really uneducated about 207 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 3: the industry. I was really uneducated about the process. So 208 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 3: what did I do? I went and watched Love Is 209 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 3: Blind season one, and I was like, oh, like, this 210 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 3: is different. This isn't you know about people you know, 211 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 3: as my dad would say, people hooking up in hot 212 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 3: tubs when he heard I was on the show, It's 213 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 3: what he thought it was. So it was, you know, 214 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 3: it was like very genuine and had this authenticity to it, 215 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,199 Speaker 3: and the people that were on and had this authenticity 216 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 3: to them and this realness of them that I didn't necessarily, 217 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 3: you know, right or wrong, I didn't necessarily think of 218 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 3: reality shows in that way. So first and foremost like 219 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 3: just going on the set, like I had no idea 220 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 3: that we would be filming or working for eighteen hours 221 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 3: a day, twenty hours a day, again without any structure 222 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 3: of your normal life, without you know, the access to 223 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 3: the things that you want to eat and you want 224 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 3: to drink. And so that part to me was pretty shocking, 225 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 3: and I actually had a physical reaction. I got a 226 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 3: migrain on day three just from I think the chaos 227 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 3: of all of it. I didn't drink that much on 228 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 3: the show because I was not going to be making 229 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 3: drunk decisions about who I married. So it was it 230 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 3: was really it was really just sort of like overwhelming 231 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 3: and all consuming with that. And then to your point earlier, 232 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:15,839 Speaker 3: when you do get a few minutes of or a 233 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 3: few hours back at your hotel room, like you are, 234 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 3: you were just sitting in your emotions. I write a lot, 235 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:26,319 Speaker 3: and I was writing in my journal every opportunity I got, 236 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 3: because it was just trying to make sense of it all. 237 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 3: Dating fifteen people. They you know, it's like for seven 238 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,719 Speaker 3: minutes at a time, it's just it's so much and 239 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 3: all consuming, and you just don't anticipate that. 240 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:41,079 Speaker 1: And so what I found interesting is if you watch 241 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: the show, if you're just a fan, you watched it, 242 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: you're thinking, oh man, this guy really cruised through this. 243 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: It was a really good experience for him. He actually 244 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: found love. I mean, it was successful. So's that to 245 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: me is maybe the disconnect for a lot of people 246 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: when they're seeing some of these headlines of like this 247 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: guy crushed it. Like you know, say you were on 248 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: the Bachelor and you were quote unquote the villain and 249 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: you got the bad at it, so to speak. But 250 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: that wasn't you. So I guess explained to us, where 251 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: is that disconnect where this was not a good experience 252 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: for you although it looks to us like it was. So. 253 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 3: One of the things that I realized so last year 254 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,079 Speaker 3: was I don't even think I've said that last year 255 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,719 Speaker 3: was the worst year of my life. Like I by 256 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 3: the end of the year, I was like, I don't 257 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 3: want anything to do with any of this anymore. I 258 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 3: wish I would give anything to go back to my 259 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 3: life before Love is Blind. And as I started reflecting, 260 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 3: you know, I started asking my qu why why why? 261 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 3: And you know, I came to this whole concept in 262 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:45,439 Speaker 3: my mind that while I went through this, I was 263 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 3: justifying everything that wasn't going well because I found love, 264 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 3: or I justified the fact that I lost fifteen pounds 265 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 3: in the first three weeks because I wasn't eating or 266 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 3: drinking water or the fact that I got such a 267 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 3: bad migraine that I had to like leave set and 268 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 3: was vomiting, and like it just like you pushed that 269 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 3: aside because okay, you did it now saying I crushed it. 270 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 3: Like I never really thought of it as a competition, 271 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 3: which I think is the way people look at it, right, 272 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 3: And people even say that, they're like, oh, man, you 273 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 3: killed it, you won. I'm like, yeah, well, I didn't 274 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 3: think of it that way. But you know, for me, 275 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 3: it was it was really like, how am I going 276 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 3: to go into this and be myself no matter what, 277 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 3: not end up in situations in which I wouldn't be 278 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:31,719 Speaker 3: in real life or in conversations I wouldn't be in 279 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 3: real life. And that was sort of my my you know, 280 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 3: foundation to this. And I was completely fine if I 281 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 3: go and I go home the first day because I 282 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 3: don't connect with anyone, Cool what an experience, right, Or 283 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 3: if I get married on it, I'm like, cool, that 284 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 3: must have been meant to be. And so you know, yeah, 285 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,079 Speaker 3: it went great right from that perspective, And once you 286 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 3: see on TV and you know, I didn't do anything 287 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 3: or say anything out of character, so you know, I 288 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 3: don't have that and I feel and I've spoken to 289 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 3: people who have been edited into a villain and it 290 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 3: does it like completely uproots and ruins their entire life. 291 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: First of all, I'm very sorry to hear that when 292 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: someone says that last year was like the worst year 293 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: of my life, I'm sorry to hear that when you 294 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: look back, what was the impetus for that? Like, obviously, 295 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: and I know you'd be like just being on love 296 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: is blind, but what what you know? Go deeper, like, 297 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: what was it that made this such an impactful moment 298 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: in your life, that sparkplug moment in such a bad way, 299 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: in such a negative way? What was that? Like? Where 300 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: did it turn for you? 301 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, so it was The show comes out 302 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 3: in February of last year, right, so you've got, you know, 303 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 3: the high of. 304 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: Of that, you're doing press, you're probably being because you're 305 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: one of the stars, so you're being flown around and 306 00:14:58,320 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: doing doing the. 307 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 3: Dance exactly exactly, and then you know, I got to 308 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 3: do some things that I never dreamed I would have 309 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 3: the opportunity to do, and so you know, that's all good, 310 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 3: But what was going on behind the scenes was my 311 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 3: marriage was falling apart and we were struggling because we 312 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 3: were a very polarizing couple for the show, and so 313 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 3: we were struggling with, you know, our marriage struggles. We 314 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 3: were struggling with now this is in the public eye, 315 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 3: We're struggling with all the hate. And you know, I 316 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 3: didn't get nearly what Danielle got. Danielle got so much hate. 317 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 3: There were days where she would be so sad and 318 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 3: so depressed, she wouldn't want to leave the house, she 319 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 3: wouldn't want to leave the couch, and so, you know, 320 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 3: we were dealing with with so much stuff behind what 321 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 3: you see on Love is Blind that it just sort 322 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 3: of snowballed, and then, you know, we we ended up 323 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 3: getting divorced. She filed for divorce in August, and that 324 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 3: was just when things just went insane because I hadn't 325 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 3: told my family. I wasn't I kind of still thought 326 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 3: we were going to figure things out. I hadn't told 327 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 3: my family. I hadn't I told maybe my best couple 328 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 3: of friends that we were in dire straits. And then 329 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 3: TMZ leaked this article and that's how my mom found 330 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 3: out Lovely for example, Lovely Yeah. Yeah, So it's like, 331 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 3: so that's when it just started like snowballing for me. 332 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 3: And then there was, you know, the divide obviously of 333 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 3: people of there's going to be team Nick and Danielle 334 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 3: even though there shouldn't be, right, but that's how they 335 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 3: do it. And then you know, they were I opted 336 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 3: to never talk about it and and really avoid most 337 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 3: interviews on it because you know, it hurts, it was painful. 338 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: It's a real divorce, it's you were it's a real lore. 339 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: You were really in love, you were really married. 340 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 2: That's absolutely true. I don't think people think that, yeah. 341 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: Well, and it's also you know, it's that's why, you know, 342 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: interesting and ironic that you're coming on right after this 343 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: Jason Tartik and Caitlin Bristow split because I know them 344 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: both very well. I know them intimately, they're they're friends 345 00:16:57,920 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: of mine, and so yes they were on the show, 346 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: and yes, you know, Nick and Danielle were on the show. 347 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:04,719 Speaker 1: But I try to tell people these are humans who 348 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 1: were really married. They really did love each other. And 349 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 1: another aspect that's really hard for people to understand is 350 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: when you're going through and I've been through a divorce, 351 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: it sucks. Just in general, divorce sucks. It's not fun. 352 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: Breakups are never because things are going great. So you 353 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: get divorced, but then the tabloid of it all, in 354 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 1: the social media of it all, Danielle's getting things said 355 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: about her and to her. Nick is getting things said 356 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: to you about you about her, and so it almost 357 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: creates these two camps and you start to doubt things 358 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: that you know even it starts, you start to question 359 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: things you actually were sure about. 360 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 3: If that makes it's like you get gas lid. Yeah, 361 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 3: it totally does. And I just remember there was, you know, 362 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 3: and this is where things again, they kept snowballing for months. 363 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 3: I had a friend who I've been friends with for 364 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 3: over a decade who's lives in the UK. She's from 365 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 3: the UK. She spent some time in Chicago. That's when 366 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 3: we met ten years ago. She came to visit from 367 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 3: the UK to see her family here and we went 368 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 3: out to brunch. And this was maybe two a week 369 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 3: or two after the divorce announcement, and we went we 370 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 3: went out to brunch. We sat on a patio, not 371 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 3: even just the two of us, with three two or 372 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 3: three of my friends were there, and someone saw us 373 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 3: and started this entire reddit thread about how clearly I 374 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 3: cheated and this was howhy the marriage ended. And so 375 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 3: all of a sudden that like later that day, I 376 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 3: started getting all these dms. You cheated, You're a cheater, 377 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 3: You're you're ruined this, you're you have a My friend 378 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 3: started getting hate. They track they somehow tracked her down 379 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 3: from my social media like five years ago when I 380 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 3: was in England visiting, and somehow made that didn't make 381 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 3: the connection that we've been friends for a long time, 382 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 3: but that instead she was a home wrecker. So she 383 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 3: started getting all of us hate, and it was just 384 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 3: I'm just like, my poor friend who who I haven't 385 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 3: seen in five years, is here and now now unfortunately 386 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 3: part of this and getting harassed and so like that 387 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,360 Speaker 3: was part of the snowball. And then you know, I 388 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:04,919 Speaker 3: ended up up losing my job after getting you know, 389 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 3: pretty much eviscerated in the media for things that I 390 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 3: did not say and things that I did not do, And. 391 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 2: So that that happened. That was that was probably the 392 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 2: worst day. 393 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: So you come out of this and you're you're in marketing, 394 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: you're very successful and you have this great job. So 395 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: you got fired and did they say it is because 396 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 1: of the press, and we just can't go further with 397 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: you because of what's going on. 398 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 3: So they were they laid off I think roughly twenty 399 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 3: five percent of the workforce. And of course they're not 400 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 3: going to say that's why at the moment, but I 401 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 3: did have conversations later with people that said, while that 402 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 3: wasn't the only reason, it was part of the reason. 403 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 404 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 3: And why is that because I was had and I 405 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 3: had just been promoted a month earlier two so I 406 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 3: was the VP of product marketing and sales enablement. And 407 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 3: what that means is I am owning analyst relationships right 408 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 3: with Gartner and Forrester and the biggest analysts in the world. 409 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 3: I am going on sales podcasts, I am going on 410 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 3: press interviews, I am working with the PR agency, and 411 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 3: I am writing blogs and I am talking to customers. 412 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 3: And so, when you have a role that's customer facing, 413 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:21,360 Speaker 3: commercial facing, public facing, when people google you or they 414 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 3: google your company and you come up when there's that 415 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 3: mix of here's Nick talking about sales enablement software and 416 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 3: then you know, here's Nick saying you know, blah blah 417 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 3: blah happened, or someone saying that Nick cheated or whatever, 418 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 3: it might be right, it's just a it's a brutal thing, 419 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 3: and it's a public facing role, so that stuff all matters. 420 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 3: That stuff impacts me. I even't had my contract for 421 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 3: Love is Blind amended to say that I could still 422 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 3: do those work related public speaking and interview. Yeah, because 423 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 3: that's such a big part of my role. 424 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: And so this story, and again, this is why I 425 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: wanted to just come to the source, this story that 426 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 1: you are close to being homeless because of this? Is 427 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 1: that accurate? 428 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 3: So here, yes, here's yes, it is. So here's the city, 429 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:10,959 Speaker 3: and what's your definition of homeless? Right, I'm about to 430 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 3: lose my house. I don't have another house to go 431 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,199 Speaker 3: live in. I don't have another home like am I 432 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 3: thirty eight and to go live with my parents might 433 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 3: not have much of a choice, right. But so I 434 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 3: lost my job in November. I've applied to over four 435 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,719 Speaker 3: hundred jobs. I've probably had twenty twenty five interviews. I've 436 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 3: had a few of them actually say what I just 437 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 3: said to you, like, we don't want to risk our 438 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:34,199 Speaker 3: company on you know, potential headlines or past headlines or 439 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 3: up until I think last week, if you googled me, 440 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 3: the negative stuff was the first thing that showed up, 441 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 3: So it was it's not because those are obviously the 442 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 3: most clicked over time, so the algorithm is going to 443 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 3: feed those. So what I did immediately was, you know, 444 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 3: I had, like you said, been successful. I had saved 445 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 3: roughly four or five months in savings that I had mark, 446 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 3: which is what they tell you to do, so that 447 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 3: I and not everyone has that luxury to save. So 448 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 3: I'm you know, those are those who don't, you know, Yeah, 449 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 3: and I had that luxury and I had worked hard 450 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 3: for it, right vp at thirty five? Is I put 451 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 3: my whole life into my career. Yeah, And so I 452 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 3: went through my savings and I was like, okay, so 453 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 3: that was you know, and I took a few weeks 454 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 3: off and before I started applying, so that that was 455 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 3: you know, it's traumatizing to get divorced and then lose 456 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 3: your job in the course of two months. 457 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: That's a lot. That's a lot, man, I had in republic. 458 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: The fact that you're standing in front of me smiling 459 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: says a lot about you and your strength. So kudos 460 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: to you on that. 461 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 3: Well, thank you, thank you. So then when I realized, okay, 462 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 3: the savings is plummeting obviously. You know, I live in 463 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 3: a two bedroom to bath condo in Chicago that I've 464 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 3: owned since twenty nineteen. Again, worked very hard, saved down payment, 465 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 3: the whole thing. So is it is it realistic for 466 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 3: me that I could lose my house? 467 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 2: Yeah? 468 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 3: I cashed out my four to oh one k, which 469 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 3: gave me you know, another four five months of stuff, 470 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 3: which you know, you get penalized on that. 471 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't want to draw that down. Yeah, you 472 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: pay the taxes and there goes what you thought you 473 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 1: were going to have when you were sixty five. 474 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 3: That's exactly it. And so I cash that out to 475 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 3: keep paying my mortgage. I do consulting on the side, 476 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 3: but there's not a lot of investment in that right now. 477 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 3: In tech, which is my area of expertise. There's tech 478 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 3: is very tight right now. People are are you know, 479 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 3: cutting their budgets and obviously layoffs were well known in 480 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 3: the tech space, so you know, the consulting there, it's there, 481 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 3: but it isn't consistent. It's not something I can count on, 482 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 3: you know, much past you know, the week or two 483 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 3: it's scheduled for. So you know, I am doing that. 484 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 3: I still apply to jobs. I interview to jobs any 485 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 3: chance I get. 486 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 2: Crazy. 487 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 3: Thing is like you go, and you know, I'm a 488 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 3: director VP depending on the size of the company level. 489 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 3: You know, that's my career progression. That's where I'm at, 490 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 3: and that's something I don't think people take into consideration either. 491 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 3: But the challenge there is that by the time you plan, 492 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,439 Speaker 3: I spend the first hour or two every day on 493 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 3: LinkedIn looking for the right types of jobs. It could 494 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,360 Speaker 3: be posted an hour ago and there's three hundred plus 495 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 3: applicants already, so that you know, the market is just 496 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 3: oversaturated in tech right now. So that's also contributing to it. 497 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,959 Speaker 3: But the funny thing about that article, and then I'll 498 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 3: shut up for a minute. The funny thing about that 499 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:25,679 Speaker 3: article is that headline was one or two lines I 500 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 3: said in a thirty minute interview, and that's what took off. 501 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 3: Of course, I was talking about reality stars rights, reality 502 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 3: stars possibly unionizing residuals, which is where that came up. 503 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 3: Where I casually tongue in cheek, but you know, accurately, 504 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 3: I like to make fun of my bad situations to 505 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,239 Speaker 3: keep that smile. But you know, I jokingly said, you know, 506 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 3: Netflix is making billions of dollars off of Netflix. Anyone 507 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 3: can go on Netflix and watch me at any given time, 508 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 3: and I'm going to be homeless. 509 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 2: I'm going to lose my house. That was the line. 510 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,360 Speaker 1: Sadly, Sadly, I think actually Netflix is losing billions. That's 511 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:15,439 Speaker 1: the problem, is cards. Yeah, so let's dive into that. Like, 512 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think, how is this avoided? What could 513 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 1: have been done differently for you, either by production or 514 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: by yourself to have avoided this, or is it just 515 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I hate to use the term a comedy 516 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: of airs, but it's kind of like these dominoes just 517 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,959 Speaker 1: fell into place for you that sucked. You know, this 518 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: could have gone so many different ways that wouldn't have 519 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 1: led to this, and it's just ironic that you found 520 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: love and this is what it led to, which is 521 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:44,919 Speaker 1: just bizarre. 522 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 3: Well, hence the worst year of my life. 523 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 1: Right just like, and again, I don't mean to make 524 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: light of that, because I hate that. I mean, when 525 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: you hear that, it really it hits me in my heart. 526 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: I'm very sorry. 527 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 3: Well, thank you, you know, I'll be okay. I'll figure 528 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 3: it out. I always do. I'm pretty i will say, 529 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 3: like I've learned I'm very resilient. I'm way more resilient 530 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 3: than I ever thought I could be. And I think 531 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 3: that is, you know, that's something that thankfully took a 532 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 3: lot of therapy and a lot of personal growth to 533 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 3: do that. So it is it's like it's a lot 534 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:19,120 Speaker 3: of bad dominoes, it's some bad luck, it's it's all 535 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 3: of it. But when you think about and and you know, 536 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 3: there's headlines that say I blame Netflix, like I never 537 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 3: said that, right, Like if I I never said, I said, 538 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 3: it's the entire situation that's contributing to what my situation is. 539 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 3: And people don't you know when you're when you're at 540 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,439 Speaker 3: that level I was at my career like and facing 541 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 3: customers like, people don't The public doesn't take you as 542 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 3: seriously once you're on a reality show in general, And 543 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 3: in my case, they knew me for my relationship. They 544 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 3: didn't know me. They didn't know what I did professionally. 545 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 3: They don't know what my hobbies were outside of making 546 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 3: my own toothpaste. They you know, it's so it's like, 547 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 3: what do they You know? You have this whole life 548 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 3: that's separate from from the image or the brand that's portrayed, 549 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 3: but that image of that brand that's portrayed, that's what 550 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 3: the percess. 551 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: You get boiled down to this and again you go 552 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: back to that Iceberg theory. If you get boiled down 553 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: to that top five percent that people see, and you're like, 554 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 1: there's so much more to me, my family, my life, 555 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: my beliefs, everything about me that's so true. 556 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 3: And then you know, I think it's funny too, because 557 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 3: I mean people are just like, you're just mad you 558 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 3: couldn't be an influencer, Like do you know how how 559 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 3: many brand partnerships I said no to because it's in 560 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 3: align with like my ethics or my values or something 561 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 3: like that, And then you know people who think so 562 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 3: I started the u CAN Foundation, which is the Unscripted 563 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 3: Cast Advocacy Network ucnfoundation dot org for those of you listening. 564 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 3: That is an organization dedicated to helping reality cast members 565 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 3: get legal support and mental health support pre during, and 566 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 3: post show. Because that was my big takeaway is I 567 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,360 Speaker 3: never got that. I asked for it, and I had 568 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 3: a therapist and God bless her, she still sees me 569 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 3: for free now because I don't have insurance, so you know, 570 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 3: I didn't get any support from the show when my 571 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 3: divorce leaked. 572 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,919 Speaker 1: And I find that interesting because just again, all I 573 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: can think about is the Bachelor. We have a therapist 574 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 1: on hand, We have somebody there, and we weren't as 575 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: great about it early on, but we still had somebody. Now, 576 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: especially if you ask, yeah, it's it's there. And so 577 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 1: so that wasn't there for you, It wasn't provided. 578 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 3: No, and they claim that they do. That's the part, 579 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 3: and you know that's not just me, right, that's like 580 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 3: my therapist talked to the psychologist that did my psychos 581 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 3: at evaluation for the show, so you know, it's like 582 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 3: and they said, yes, we have two on set. And 583 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 3: so there's all of these promises and then you know 584 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 3: things like like Danielle had a panic attack. No therapist, 585 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 3: no psychologists, no mental health professional. We got a bunch 586 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 3: of producers, you know, so like that's while film. That's devastating. 587 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 3: And then when you come post show, you would think, like, 588 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 3: here's some like real training, but instead you get a 589 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 3: PowerPoint that's like if someone hasn't mean comment, delete it 590 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 3: and block them, right, come on. 591 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing is nobody, especially therapists or producers 592 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: or whatever, are prepared for the social media of it 593 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: all because and you don't know what's going to resonate. 594 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: I always found that interesting from our show. You never 595 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: know what's going to resonate. I talked to Colton a 596 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: few weeks ago about the fence jump. I mean, honestly, 597 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: when the fence jump happened, I mean I knew it 598 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: was kind of funny and it would be on the show. 599 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: I didn't think it would like be the thing that 600 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: whole season. So you just you never know what's going 601 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: to resonate. And again, you were divorced with Danielle, who 602 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: knew that would be such a thing, that would be 603 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: so explosive, and so it's hard to as a producer 604 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: or a contestant to see ahead of that. 605 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 3: Well, and the thing that really like sparked my desire 606 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 3: to work because I had my co founder, Jeremy had 607 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 3: been facilita or courting me to start this with him. Uh, 608 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 3: and I was like, no, I kind of want to 609 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 3: get out of this world. And it was when I 610 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 3: was going through the divorce. Publicly, it was the layoff. 611 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 3: It was everything just you know, in the public, just 612 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 3: getting smeared and defamed and all this stuff. Going on, 613 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 3: all while getting divorced, and all while looking for a job. 614 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 3: I never once heard from Netflix, I never once heard 615 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 3: from Kinetic, other than they both called me to let 616 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 3: me know that they weren't going to sue us for 617 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 3: getting a divorce because we were contractually bound to stainary. 618 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: Thanks guys, No, thank. 619 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 3: You, thank you, thank you. Yeah, that could have talk 620 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 3: about a phone call. It could have been anything. 621 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: I just lost my job, my insurance, my wife, my house. 622 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: Thanks for not jumping on and suing me. And by 623 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: the way, if you do, here's a quarter that we're 624 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: going to like. 625 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 2: What are you going to assume me for? I don't 626 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 2: have anything anymore. 627 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: I've given all my blood, man, I got nothing left exactly. 628 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: But it is that is one of the difficult things. 629 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: I guess that you look for that support And is 630 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: that the biggest because I'm trying to think, Okay, what 631 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: is our takeaway here? How do we relate this back? 632 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: Where do we go from here? How do we help people? 633 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: What would your suggestion be? 634 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 3: Well, the immediate thing for us to do, and you know, 635 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 3: there's organizing going on behind the scenes that I'm doing 636 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 3: that other people are doing, and I'm hoping that we 637 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 3: can all come together and stand united as unscripted cast. 638 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope to talk to about Thaty Frankel about this. 639 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: I know she's kind of a proponent of the unionization, 640 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: and I have my my misgivings about it just because 641 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: I see some holes in it. It's it's a very 642 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 1: difficult landscape to try and unionize and get together. I mean, 643 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: I understand the concept as a whole, but the actual 644 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: delivery of this and actually the implementation of this would 645 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: be very, very difficult. 646 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 2: That's yeah. 647 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 3: And I've spoken with members of SAD organizing and the 648 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 3: Team Stars organizing, and we are all aware of the 649 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 3: fact that this is a beast to actually get done. 650 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 3: But it has to start somewhere, right, and there's other 651 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 3: level levers to pull, So, you know, is there going 652 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 3: to be legislation that maybe gets introduced in California or 653 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 3: something to say, hey, like these people are employees, or 654 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 3: you know what, there's different lever levers that kind of 655 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 3: can help improve this. But ultimately, like I you know, 656 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 3: people think I hate Reality TV or I don't. I 657 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 3: don't hate it. I think it's a fine source of entertainment. 658 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 3: I think it's great content. I just think we don't 659 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 3: need to produce it at the expense of people's mental, 660 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 3: physical wellness and you know, impact them in the way 661 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 3: where it can literally like ruin lives. It's literally ruined 662 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 3: people's lives. People have killed themselves coming off of reality shows. 663 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 3: Death by suicide. I mean, just awful, awful that anyone 664 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 3: is in that sort of space, or that anyone can 665 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 3: be edited into a villain just for entertainment. 666 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 2: So so I just want to. 667 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 3: Produce reality TV ethically and morally with a you know, 668 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 3: human being core center. And I think that's what the 669 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 3: Foundation You Can't Foundation is is trying to push towards 670 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 3: and then the immediate need of just making sure you 671 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 3: understand your contracts, that you understand what's legally enforceable and 672 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 3: what's not, and that you can get mental health support before, during, 673 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 3: and after the show. Like that's what needs to happen 674 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 3: right now. So that's what the Foundation's trying to do. 675 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: Just because you know, I look at you and I'm 676 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: listening to you, it's like you're not an angry guy. 677 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: You're very well thought out. Like I didn't know what 678 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 1: I was going to get today, which is why I 679 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: wanted to talk to this. I always find it interesting, 680 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: and maybe it is because I was on the show 681 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: for so long. I love listening to people. I want 682 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: to hear from them and then I can make my 683 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: own decisions on And I see this person who's very 684 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: obviously you're very well educated, You're a very smart guy. 685 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: You got your together. So that's why the headlines and 686 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: the stuff the stories are not connecting with who this 687 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 1: human is I'm talking to right now now, and it 688 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: just makes me even more sorry that you're going through 689 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: what you've gone through and where do you go from here? 690 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 1: Like how do we fix and help you on a 691 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: personal level. 692 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 3: First of all, thank you, Like I actually feel validated 693 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 3: and heard when you say that. So I do appreciate that, 694 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 3: because I you know, I read those headlines and I'm like, 695 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 3: what that I didn't say that, or that's out of context, 696 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 3: or and then that became the story instead of the 697 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 3: efforts to improve the industry. Right, So it's just it's 698 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 3: so inflammatory and and you know, initially I was upset 699 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 3: and I was kind of hurt by it, but you know, 700 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 3: I always go back to people don't know my story, 701 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,839 Speaker 3: people don't know my situation. People can tell me to go, 702 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 3: you know, kick rocks or whatever they want to say. 703 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 3: That's much meaner than that. But you know, I don't. 704 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 3: I don't care, like I welcome their hatred to quote FDR, 705 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,759 Speaker 3: because I know that I'm doing the right thing and 706 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 3: I'm trying to leave realc TV better than I found it. So, 707 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 3: you know, from that aspect, you know, supporting the foundation, 708 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 3: it's all volunteers. I don't know if people think we're 709 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,759 Speaker 3: like funneling money to ourselves for some reason, but it's 710 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 3: everyone's volunteered. Nobody's been paid. You actually invested our own 711 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 3: money and time into it. So I think that that's 712 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,320 Speaker 3: a big focus for me. So from a personal standpoint, 713 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,839 Speaker 3: like I want to you know, organize us and get 714 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 3: us some some basic protections. And then for me professionally, 715 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 3: I am still looking for a job. I've got a 716 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 3: couple interviews that have lined up in the last couple 717 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 3: of weeks, partially because of this story. 718 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 2: So all those people that. 719 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 3: Have reached out and and you know, shown me some 720 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 3: grace and then also you know, try to help like 721 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 3: that is so appreciated. The kindness from people is far 722 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 3: outweighs the negativity but you know, I'm still looking for 723 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 3: a job. I'm hopeful, I'm positive about it. I you know, 724 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 3: like I said, I got a couple of mon in 725 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 3: the bank to pay my mortgage. Like, I'm not looking 726 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 3: that far ahead, looking forward so that I can stay 727 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,799 Speaker 3: focused on what needs to be happening that day. 728 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: Well, you sound like a grinder, you kind of. I 729 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: have the same mentality of like, I don't care if 730 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 1: i'm if I'm not doing this, I'll be doing something. 731 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,280 Speaker 1: Like I know I will make it work. I always 732 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 1: have in my life as an adult, and I always will. 733 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,360 Speaker 1: That's just you know, So I know you're going to 734 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:28,719 Speaker 1: be fine, But fine isn't good enough when you had 735 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,359 Speaker 1: such great success and I hope you will find that again. 736 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 1: And I'm sure you have to go into these interviews 737 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: and spend part of the time instead of just telling 738 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,399 Speaker 1: people how great you are and all your attributes, explaining 739 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 1: away and defending yourself. That's a tough way to come 740 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:43,720 Speaker 1: into a job interview. 741 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,840 Speaker 3: It totally is. And but I'm okay. I'm comfortable with 742 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 3: it because, like I said, I haven't said or done 743 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 3: anything that I feel is out of character. Yeah, And 744 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,279 Speaker 3: so that you can sleep at night, right, And you 745 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 3: know that I believe, whether this is true or not, 746 00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 3: that if you do the right thing and you stay 747 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 3: the course, like do work out, I do. I do 748 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,759 Speaker 3: have to keep that mindset. But but yeah, that's you 749 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 3: know that that is it is tough. But I'm not 750 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 3: here to defend my defend myself to be I don't. 751 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 1: There's nothing to depend I mean, there's nothing to fight. Yeah, 752 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: And that's that's what's crazy, exactly. And that's what's hard 753 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 1: for when I talk to people that are involved in 754 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 1: all the tabloid crap and all these headlines, what they 755 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 1: want is for you to say something and defend yourself. 756 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 1: Now they have another story, and then you have to 757 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 1: defend that, and now they have another story. And so 758 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 1: this is it's this kind of sick perpetual motion that 759 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 1: you have to fight, but you can't fight it. Like 760 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 1: there's no they they have the ultimate Yeah, they have 761 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 1: the ultimate edit. You know, you know, you're never going 762 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,319 Speaker 1: to read a story like oh that was that was 763 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,319 Speaker 1: well well done, that was well said. Thanks, I appreciate it. 764 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,360 Speaker 3: You know what's funny is that Daily Mail story that 765 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 3: started this whole storm, Like the story itself is actually 766 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:53,680 Speaker 3: really good. 767 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:55,600 Speaker 2: If you read the story, it's. 768 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 3: Like, oh, it's hitting all the points and then on 769 00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,320 Speaker 3: the bottom and then the bottom is the line, and 770 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 3: then the headline, and it's just like that got to 771 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:02,320 Speaker 3: read people. 772 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,440 Speaker 1: What about your personal life? Are you dating again, seeing anybody? 773 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 1: Do you even have time to think about that? 774 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:09,799 Speaker 2: You know? 775 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,439 Speaker 3: I sometimes joke and say I don't really know where 776 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 3: the day or the time goes, or even what day 777 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:15,280 Speaker 3: it is anymore. 778 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,239 Speaker 2: Dating is not on my radar. It's not you know. 779 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 3: It's like I said, I'm looking at the like today, tomorrow, 780 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,400 Speaker 3: and there's no dating in sight for me. 781 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:27,879 Speaker 2: There's still a lot of healing right now. 782 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 1: You don't have the bandwidth for that, I assume. 783 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,760 Speaker 3: Right or really the will It's tough. It's tough. 784 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,719 Speaker 1: And do you and Danielle do y'all still talk at all? 785 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 1: Like have you'll have y'all found a common bond as 786 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 1: far as going through this together? 787 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:43,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, we have. 788 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 3: We actually reconnected after back in at the end of 789 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 3: April early May, I think it was early May. We 790 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,279 Speaker 3: reconnected and talked for the first time in probably eight 791 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 3: nine months. Good and then she actually was a guest 792 00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 3: on two episodes of my podcast where we kind of 793 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,319 Speaker 3: talked through our whole situation from before the show, during 794 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,319 Speaker 3: the show, after the show, what we had been doing 795 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 3: the last eight months, and then how we came together, 796 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 3: which was really, you know, really healing for both of us. 797 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 3: So I think we're united and in our experience and 798 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 3: united in trying to get some change in the industry 799 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 3: that's going to help people out. 800 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,919 Speaker 1: That's awesome, man, I think that is that's a good 801 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 1: thing to hear, just you know, misery loves company. But 802 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,839 Speaker 1: but that's the wrong that's the wrong line here. But 803 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 1: that's that's what came to my mind. But it's true. 804 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 1: A united front is a good thing just to have 805 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,719 Speaker 1: somebody who's going through this at the same time that 806 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,440 Speaker 1: you can share these stories with, because it's there's very 807 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,719 Speaker 1: few people in this world who will understand this and 808 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,360 Speaker 1: truly get what you've gone through. I truly understand it, 809 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,239 Speaker 1: and I have empathy, and I I I see this 810 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,360 Speaker 1: guy in front of me who's who's been you know, 811 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,920 Speaker 1: kicked in the gut. But I do know I can 812 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 1: already tell you're going to be You're gonna be fine eventually. 813 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 1: You're in the middle of it right now. But I 814 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,279 Speaker 1: know you're coming out the other side, and if there's 815 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:02,719 Speaker 1: anything I can do, reach out. I've really enjoyed our conversation. 816 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,440 Speaker 1: I appreciate you taking the time, yeah, and explaining everything 817 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,680 Speaker 1: the way you have. I think if anybody has a 818 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,920 Speaker 1: problem with Nick, play this podcast, I might right come on. 819 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:18,840 Speaker 1: This guy is brilliant, brilliant, strong, and obviously can persevere. 820 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 2: Well. Thank you. 821 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 3: I think I think it's so funny how polarizing I 822 00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,600 Speaker 3: get over so many different things over the course of 823 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,120 Speaker 3: being in the limelight a little bit, and it's just 824 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,040 Speaker 3: so funny to me the things people like you said. 825 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,160 Speaker 3: You don't know what's going to take off and what's 826 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:34,040 Speaker 3: what's not. 827 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,640 Speaker 1: Well, Nick, I appreciate it, and I thank you, and 828 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,680 Speaker 1: I'm sorry you've gone through what you have and it's 829 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:45,759 Speaker 1: affected you this way. But I truly think you are 830 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,359 Speaker 1: going to be bigger, better, stronger as you come out 831 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:49,840 Speaker 1: of this, and I wish you all the best. I 832 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:50,359 Speaker 1: truly do. 833 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,239 Speaker 3: I appreciate that, and I appreciate the conversation too, and 834 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,680 Speaker 3: the honesty and openness has been really nice. 835 00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,920 Speaker 1: All right, my friend, I appreciate it, and you take 836 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,160 Speaker 1: I'll talk to you hopefully again down the road as 837 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,319 Speaker 1: this thing progresses you too. 838 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:05,840 Speaker 3: Thanks a lot for having me, Chris. 839 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. 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