WEBVTT - Ep. 80: Tip-Up, Mr. Mayor 0:00:06.000 --> 0:00:08.960 He spoke of a black Cadillac that drove around to 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:12.840 the groups of ice houses. They weren't selling sandwiches. Yeah, 0:00:13.280 --> 0:00:16.960 look at you everyone, his first fish effort. We're saying 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:21.960 it out loud. Here is the best way to answer that. 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:25.639 Both I have fallen through on that lake, but in 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:36.360 early ice. Okay, good morning to generate anglers, and welcome 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:39.200 to Bent, the Fishing podcast that's making its own line 0:00:39.200 --> 0:00:42.080 of ice fishing kids that feature penicillin and more rubbers 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:45.480 than just the perch jigs. I'm Joe Surmeli and I'm 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:50.280 Hidden Samac and uh yeah, prostitution and ice fishing. We 0:00:50.400 --> 0:00:55.680 heard you, all, six thousand plus of you. Man, We 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:59.080 got inundated with that story, and we will cover that later, 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:01.720 I promise, yeah, we'll we'll get there, but we we 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:04.040 definitely heard you, ladin clear. It was it was madness 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:05.480 and I knew that was going to happen. As soon 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:08.319 as that that dropped, I was like, oh, here we go. 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:10.880 But we will get to that a little later on. 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:13.440 But first, man, what's going on. How was your week? 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:14.959 What did you get up to? It was good, It 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:17.759 was good. This last weekend. I did a little ice camping, 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:22.679 I caught some bourbon I got you got your truck stuck? 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:25.200 Am I? Right? All right? Yeah, I got my truck 0:01:25.240 --> 0:01:29.160 stuck anyway, I um like really stuck like a lot 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:31.760 stuff like super stuck. Right, Going to let this go, 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:36.920 of course, not tell everybody what happened, Okay. So, um, 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:40.280 so I was fishing a reservoir out out here, and 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:43.039 we were ice camped like off this point. Uh, the 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:45.119 fishing wasn't great, so we packed up all the gear 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:48.600 and then we drove to another point. Now, both of 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:52.360 these points appeared to have like similar sun exposure, like 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:55.560 it wasn't like one was like extremely like southerly facing 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:59.400 and one was like totally north facing. Um in the 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:03.240 first one and had like two inches of snow over gravel. Right, 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:05.600 So when I get to the second point, I see 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:07.760 some tracks going down to the ice. Figure it's good, 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:11.359 and bam I got stuck in like a two ft 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:15.560 snow drift. Whoops, whoops, whoops. Yeah. Well, the good news 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:18.040 is that my girlfriend met me out there and she 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:20.120 has like a like a sick pickup. Yeah, I got 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:22.919 a cool pickup. She's like a decked like decked own 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:26.240 you know. Uh. Interesting, So we had her truck to 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:29.639 uh to pull me out. But what we didn't have 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:35.960 we're any toe straps really zero. I've since bought one, 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:39.560 of course. But just as I'm like really coming to 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:42.600 the realization of what a cluster this is about to 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:45.440 be for the next two hours, here come two gentlemen 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:47.000 in the truck and they jump out and they were 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:49.560 in head to toe first light. So immediately I'm like, 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:52.480 all right, I bet you these guys and I have 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:54.640 something in common there. I was gonna say there at 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:56.679 least she had an ice breaker there, so that was 0:02:56.720 --> 0:02:58.919 a good way to start. I see you're wearing first light. 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:01.360 I'm in a delity of a pick coola here anyway, 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:03.720 So it's like it's a father and son Dan and 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:06.920 Aaron Johnston, and they dropped what they were doing, which 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:11.200 was going ice fishing, and helped dig me out. Uh 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:13.880 So I got out. We all went ice fishing together 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:16.480 and my buddy Pouldie and I crushed some bourbon and 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:20.360 it ended up being a great evening. Uh you know. 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:24.040 To that end, Dan and Aaron, if you're listening, thanks again, 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:27.519 I very much appreciate you guys. You truly saved the day, 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:31.400 and uh you know new friends, Joe, new friends. Yeah, dude, No, 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:33.360 they sound like great dudes, And you find that a 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:35.640 lot in fishing, right, Like, most of the time another 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:38.440 angler is going to help you. I've seen dudes completely, 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:42.600 you know, wreck a canyon trip ninety miles off shore 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:45.520 to save somebody in need who's battery died or whatever. 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:48.800 Fishermen are good people. And uh, speaking of good people, 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:50.640 since we're on that topic, let's give a shout out 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:55.640 to our sponsors and good people over at thirteen Fishing. Uh, 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:58.160 you had told me, I think that they sent you 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:02.960 some special setups recently, something new. Yeah, sure did, Joe. 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:06.040 They sent over a bunch of like different They have 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:07.880 this rod called the widow Makers, So they send a 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:10.480 bunch of those so I could continue beating up on 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:15.160 bourbon and style you're gonna do when bourbon seasons over, 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:21.159 my friend, I'm gonna go hunt bears and ship. But anyway, 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:23.720 I really like the widow Maker dead sticks because like 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:25.840 the long handle, right, so so many, so many of 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:28.440 these ice rods they have these like short little grips, 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:30.360 and I mean it's like it makes it more convenient 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:33.080 to Jake. But I like that extra long handle it 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:36.200 just feels like, I don't know, I like that ship better. Yeah, 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:39.040 And they're so the reason they called these widow maker 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:41.760 like the dead stick model is because they're designed to 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:44.040 fit well in those rod holders, so you're not like 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:46.680 awkwardly trying to finagle your rod out of one of 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:49.240 those while wild fishes eating on it. You know, what 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:51.280 have you done that before where you're like, oh, this 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:54.360 thing is like in here like a jigsaw puzzle. Oh yeah, dude, 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:59.000 with multiple species and different things. Yes, anybody who fishes 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:01.160 dead sticks knows what we what we mean there. But 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:03.279 they're what I would describe as like a like a 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:05.440 three stage action. And I don't know if that's like 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:09.120 an industry engineering term, but if you flex on one 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:10.880 of them, you'll see what I mean. Instead of like 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:14.520 just like a smooth candy cane arc, they have a 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:18.840 it's more like the top of a trapezoid, you know 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:21.279 what I'm saying. Like it's like the rod has three 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:23.920 distinct sections or something, you know, like so the front 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:26.000 end of it is like sensitive so you can see 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:30.359 like the little bites. The mid section is like pretty 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:32.880 sensitive or you know, it has some flex and it 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:35.239 to like really protect your line so you don't break 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:37.120 fish off so easy, you know, give you a little 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:39.360 bit of extra cushion there, and then like the back 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:43.040 of it is just like stiff to you know, Haymaker 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:45.680 hook set you know, yeah, yeah, I mean, dude, they 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:48.760 sound amazing. I'm sure they're certainly well engineered, like all 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:51.640 things over thirteen. Um. Sadly, if I don't make an 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:54.200 effort to truck it pretty far north soon, I may 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:55.880 not get to use a widow maker this year. But 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:58.480 all of a sudden, just like that, right, it decided 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:02.080 to start being a little bringish around here, which works 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:06.400 works for me. So you were using those? Yeah? So 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:09.359 are you were using those? I got out trout fishing 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:12.560 with my Omen thirteen trout and pan fish rods, and 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:14.159 I love these things. I've had them for a while 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:17.400 when they were still in prototype phase, especially for fishing 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:20.279 light stuff like trout magnets and little hair jigs. It's 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:23.159 it's it's like putting the action and responsiveness of like 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:26.440 a ten foot steel head rod down into something you 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:28.919 use in pocket water. So if you if you know 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:33.120 what I mean, like super maybe just terrific rods. Anyway, 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:35.440 So what sort of line are you running on those 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:38.560 uh those like I I like a like a four 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:41.479 pound floor carbon for trout. I don't use braid on 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:44.520 really tiny trout rods. I like a light flora carbon. 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:47.359 And I know they sent you what Kalon sees for 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:50.040 those widow makers? Um, what are you running on them? 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:53.599 What's your what's your loose? I'm doing like a ten 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:57.279 pound braided again. I like it fishing deep because that hook, said, 0:06:57.320 --> 0:06:59.479 is just sort of right there, you know. Yeah, yeah, 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:01.520 well dude, that So that's that's one reason why you 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:03.719 use braided line or hardwater. You do have to be 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:05.720 careful though, because I know it tends to freeze up 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:08.920 more like braid in the ice cold can sometimes begin 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:11.800 in the anyway. On that note, if you're looking for 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:14.520 a little strategy in your line leaders set up after 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:16.880 ice off, you may want to pay attention to what 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:20.440 our friend Brandon Pollitick has to offer as he discusses 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:24.200 his line and leader philosophy in this week's Tackle Hacks. 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:29.800 I'm getting hacks coming from inside the city the flood 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:33.960 at all right, we are here with Brandon, Paul and 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:40.600 Nick Uh, Angler of the Year, UM bass Master, Elite 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:45.560 pro Uh and Joe we're coming in with a tackle hack. 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:47.760 This is the guy you want to tackle hack from. 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:50.960 If you bass fish. Whatever he's about to say, you 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:53.800 need to listen very carefully to it. It's always awesome. 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:59.680 Yeah yeah, everyone pull out your note app Yeah exactly, exactly. Um, 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:03.000 but you're honored to have you here again. And uh, 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:06.040 you know it. Tackle hacks is very simple thing. Just 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:08.520 you guys always have some all these little tricks and 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:10.720 things that I think that you know, your average basket 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:13.000 doesn't think of. You want a lot of events called 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:15.520 a lot of big fish. So this is just a 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:18.160 quick chance to to make our listeners a little bit 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:20.560 better with a just a little tip, maybe they don't 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:24.600 think of so much. I'm gonna keep it real simple 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:28.320 and basic. Love it. Uh, you know. The the biggest 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:33.040 thing for me is applying the right line types to 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:37.400 the right situations. You know, before you look back, we 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:42.239 only had monofilament line. But now there's all this new technology. 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:46.280 You've got monofilament, floral carbon, and your braided lines. You know, 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:49.960 those are kind of the three main basic ones. The 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:52.760 differences is that those all have certain situations where they 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:56.360 shine and where they don't shine. And to break it 0:08:56.400 --> 0:09:00.200 down really simple. Is when I get around soft types 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:04.640 of cover, so you're different types of vegetations, right, mail, foil, hydrilla, 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:09.040 lily pads, that's when I generally reach for a braided 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:11.600 line because it's gonna do a better job of cutting 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:14.440 through that grass. You've got less stretch, and you're able 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:18.640 to get those fish out of the heavy cover. Uh. Now, 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:22.600 the opposite holds true if you're around hardcover braided line 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:24.680 a lot of times, if you get around docks and 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:28.320 wood and rock and things like that, it's it begins 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:32.120 to fail, right because the no stretch and the thin 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:35.040 diameter of it will actually cut into the wood a 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:38.760 lot of times, causing those fish to get stuck inside 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:41.800 the cover. Um, you know, or it'll wrap up the 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:44.040 brush and it it won't cut through it. It actually 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:48.040 digs into it. But that cover isn't gonna tear away 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:50.719 like grass, right, it won't cut through it um And 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:55.240 like rock situations, braid is very very durable as long 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:58.520 as it's in its whole capacity. But as soon as 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:01.520 you start cutting any those strands. So if you're around 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:03.800 you know, really sharp rock and one of those or 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:07.600 two of those braided strands gets broken, then it becomes 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:09.960 very weak, and so that's where you want to reach 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:12.520 for things like a floral carbon where you still have 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:16.520 a sinking line, but it's not gonna dig into that hardcover. 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:18.520 It's got a little bit of stretch, so you've got 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:21.000 kind of a bungee effect. When a fish does get 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:23.360 wrapped up, you know, say over the top of a 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:26.640 laydown or around a dock piling, that stretch is going 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:28.400 to allow that fish to fight. It's not going to 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:31.280 tear a hook or a hole in their mouth, and 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:33.800 you're gonna land more of those fish. So, you know, 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:37.960 kind of taking that basic principle. Monofilament I really don't 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:43.040 use as much anymore except for in situations where, um, 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:45.400 you know, on top water fishing, or I want to 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:47.720 keep a bait up very high in the water column 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:51.160 because monofilament is gonna float. Your floral carbons are gonna sink. 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:53.640 Monofilament floats. So if you want to keep a bait 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:55.840 higher up off the bottom or high up in the 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:58.640 water column like a top water you on top, then 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:02.440 you're gonna want to reach four your monofilament. That it's 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:04.679 a fantastic tip and I just want to expand on 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:06.240 one thing. They're real quick because I think there's an 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:09.160 opportunity here. While I know there's not one set answer, 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:12.240 I think that the point you're making about tailoring each 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:16.040 line to the situation. Yeah, hardcore anglers are very in 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:17.880 tune with that. But like we'll get a lot of 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:20.320 questions from people who are beginning in fishing or haven't 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:23.680 been fishing that long, and they commonly are looking to 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:27.280 like buy one outfit, like I have the money to buy, 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:31.239 you know, one outfit for this fishing or that so um, 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:33.960 even though you know, we know that the situations vary 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:36.800 so much. If you had that person, you know, kid 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:38.560 or whatever it may be that they can afford this 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:41.480 one outfit, which would you tell them if they if 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:45.240 they if they're they're spooling one reel floor carbon or brain. 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:53.520 So here is the best way to answer that? U both? 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:57.720 And what what I would do is I would spool 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:03.080 up with say like a fide pound brain, um, you know, 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:07.959 like fifty pound cigar SmackDown something that's smooth. It's can 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:11.600 apply to a lot of different situations. And then if 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:16.520 you have heard the tackle hack from Karl Jockolinson. He 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:19.400 talks about how to apply those two different types of 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:22.520 line braid and floral carbon. And that's why I say both. 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:26.400 The great thing with technology now is if you if 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:29.120 you minimal on your setups and you're just starting out, 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:32.560 you can go with a braid. Learn that not that 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:35.040 Carl talks about. So if you haven't heard that tackle 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:39.000 hack that one, yes, he schooled me not and uh 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:41.840 and that what what that's gonna do is that's going 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:44.960 to allow you to have that braid and then apply 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:50.400 different floral carbon or monofilament leaders to that um and 0:12:50.440 --> 0:12:52.640 that not will allow you to tie long enough leaders 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:54.839 that you can get the benefits of the floral carbon 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:58.320 or the mono and the braid. Um. You know. So 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:01.719 if if you're going for animalistic setups are just starting out, 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:10.040 that's a good way to start. Yeah. Now, if you're 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:13.040 curious as to what episode Brandon was referring to, you 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:16.319 can go listen to episode seventy five of Men, where 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:19.920 his buddy and fellow elite bass pro um Carl Jokolinson 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:24.640 makes his case for the intimidating but so super slick 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:27.080 f G not a matter of fact, a listener no kidding, 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:29.600 just reached out about that and couldn't remember the name 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:31.640 of the knot And when I told him, I was like, 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:34.000 that would be the f G not. He was like, well, 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:36.640 now I feel even dumber because it's only two letters, 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:40.400 which I but it's funny though. I'm pretty sure that 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:42.880 I like referred to the f G not is like 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:47.080 the f J not. You're thinking FJ cruiser by Toyota 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:51.720 which failed. Yeah, FJ socks too. By the way, speaking 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:55.319 of Carl Jokinson, congratulations from all of us over here 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:59.160 to him and his wife Kayla, who just welcomed a 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:01.760 little girl to their Emily at the end of January. Yeah, 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:04.160 congrats indeed, or is I like to say to those people, 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:09.160 welcome to Thunderdome. We welcome to Thunderdome. Good for them. Anyway, 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:11.319 back to the to the f G You know, I 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:14.160 still haven't figured out how to tie that ship. Ah, 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:16.680 it's not that hard. You just don't need it. Is hard. 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:18.800 That's why I know it's not you. You just don't 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:20.920 need it. That's why I don't care in it. I 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:24.920 don't care what you or Carl say. That ship is tough. Yeah, 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:26.680 well you put up a meme the other day about 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:30.360 bourbon fishing was something like when your friend says, I 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:31.880 don't want to camp out all night, and you had 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:34.800 the Brad Pitt thing that was like, that's why no 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:37.400 one will remember your name. That's why nobody will remember yours, 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:39.960 because you won't learn how to tie an FG not whatever. 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:44.600 You don't catch fish big enough to Joe, I refused 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:46.840 to tie it. And speaking of things, I refused to 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:49.280 tie Joe, I refused to tie you in this week's 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:51.600 edition of fish News, although that said I'll throw a 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:55.200 caveat here because this is a special report. I don't 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:57.600 really see how there's gonna be a winner all anyhow, 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:06.320 we all, we all win fish New. That escalated quickly, 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:08.080 all right, So let's get right down to what we 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:10.680 once said on this podcast that we've never gotten more 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:13.400 links and messages about a story than the Brown Trout 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:16.960 hooked on meth. That was from a while back. Well, 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:20.240 move over, Crank, because you've you've been one upped by 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:24.920 prostitutes on ice is what happens now. I was not 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:28.280 here when the when the brown Trout on meth story broke. 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:31.680 I believe that was you and Miles, but I don't 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:35.480 really think I need to have witnessed that firsthand, because 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:40.200 I'll tell you what. We got inundated, Yeah, inundated, man, 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:44.880 yeah yeah. So, um, you know this story about the 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:47.840 prostitutes on ice, it hit the meat eater inbox in 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:50.880 short order to not long after we first caught wind 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:54.320 of it. And uh, you actually warned some of our colleagues. 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:58.040 I remember to get ready like you were, get ready 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:01.520 because it's coming. And oh man, did things ever explode? 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:04.320 So obviously we wanted to cover this. We we always 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:07.440 intended to cover this, and everybody's been asking for it. Um. 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:09.640 And the very first thing I did, and this is 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:13.960 within hours of this video dropping this viral video, was 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:17.440 reach out to Mayor Craig Schubert. I reached out directly 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:20.920 to his office and requested that he come on the 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:24.240 show be a guest here on Bent and guess what happened. 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:29.320 That's right, folks, Uh, please join me. And we never 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:32.000 heard back from him. Yeah, no nothing, and no no 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:34.920 response whatsoever. And it turns out he's actually not getting 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:38.440 back to anyone anymore, which will touch on later. But 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:41.680 because we are quasi professionals, we were hell bent on 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:45.040 creating a special news segment around this, and damn it 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:48.360 we did. Because while the story is is like ha 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:51.280 ha funny on the surface, I'd say there are some 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:54.640 elements of it that aren't really being reported on. Is 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:57.080 that fair? I would say that that's like a fair 0:16:57.120 --> 0:17:00.440 assessment of it. Um. But but before we add a 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:03.720 few twists in turns, I think we need a quick recap, 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:06.640 you know. I mean, you've done a lot more research 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:08.439 on this than I have. Like I kind of like 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:11.200 passively laughed at it as it was happening because I 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:14.480 thought it was your I couldn't I couldn't remember whose 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:15.840 lead it was, but I was like, there was little 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:17.840 renear lead. But now we're tag team in it. Now 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:21.080 we're searched together a little bit. So yeah, anyway, let's 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:25.600 give the listeners, Joe a quick recap on what exactly 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:27.959 all went down in case you have no idea what 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:31.280 we're talking about, which would be surprising because this hit 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:33.920 mainstream media. This is not just a fishing thing anyway. 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:37.639 So Craig Schubert was note I said was the mayor 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:41.520 of Hudson, Ohio, which is about thirty miles southeast of Cleveland. 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:44.199 In Hudson, you'll find Hudson Springs Park and within that 0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:49.040 Hudson Springs Lake. So Hudson Springs Lake historically speaking, UM 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:52.560 has always been a popular local ice fishing spot. It's 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:55.800 it's free for Ohio residents can go there and fisherway 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:59.200 out of state anglers are charged a separate permit fee 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:02.160 to fish it. Any anyone can go there or could 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:05.840 go there. Well, all of a sudden this year, anglers 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:07.639 showing up to hit the hard water were greeted with 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:11.439 signs that said no ice fishing, ice fishing, no ice fishing, 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:14.800 no ice fishing. And folks were so upset, and we're 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:17.760 gonna hear from one of them directly involved. Um. They 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:21.000 were so upset that eventually this ice fishing closure on 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:24.760 Hudson Springs came up for debate at a city council meeting, 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:27.000 and that was on February eight, and this meeting was 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:31.600 recorded and Mayor Craig Schubert said the following, and this, 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:34.200 of course is a clip from the video that has 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:37.320 gone viral, like I said, not only among outdoor media, 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:41.280 but mainstream media as well. Additionally, if you open this 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:45.760 up to ice fishing, while on the surface, it sounds good. 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:48.439 Then what happens next year? Does someone come back and 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:52.960 say I want an ice shanty on in Springs Park 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:55.520 for X amount of time? And if you then allow 0:18:55.640 --> 0:19:03.960 ice fishing with shanties, then that leads to another problem, prostitution. 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:06.440 And now you've got the police chief Police Department in 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:13.680 Vould just data points to consider. So Shuber is suggesting that, 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:19.159 in what we call a slippery slope argument, UH is 0:19:19.200 --> 0:19:23.000 suggesting that the reopening of ice fishing could then lead 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:26.880 to anglers wanting shanties on the ice, and that could 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:33.159 lead to h prostitutes swooping into Um, I don't do 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:38.800 what they do. Where are you? I'm in Psycho Villain 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:42.080 Finkles the Mayor. Yeah, that Ace finchera clip totally works. 0:19:42.440 --> 0:19:44.439 But this is also I gotta say, this is a 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:47.679 scene from Tommy Boy Come to Life. We're not going 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:49.680 to include that entire clip. I'm also not going to 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:52.199 say the best lines, but if you're a fan, you 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:54.400 know what I'm talking about. But here's we'll at least 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:57.320 throw in the last line from that scene. Once during 0:19:57.359 --> 0:20:00.040 the war, I visited a prostitute. Of my life have 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:04.200 been a living hell ever since. Anyway, Uh, that's when 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:08.359 the video goes viral. The story caught fire, but everything 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:13.120 was focused on on the absurdity of Schubert's claim, and 0:20:13.440 --> 0:20:16.840 that claim became the national joke, which ended up being 0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:20.760 like the story, Yeah, but there's really no information on 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:24.320 what led to this meeting. Well, just after the video dropped, 0:20:24.600 --> 0:20:28.760 listener Mike Whittaker reached out to us, and he happens 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:32.439 to be a Hudson resident, and he happens to have 0:20:32.480 --> 0:20:37.520 been fishing Hudson Springs for years, and he also happens 0:20:37.560 --> 0:20:40.440 to be the guy that brought this to national attention. 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:43.639 Uh So we decided to give him some airtime so 0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:46.520 you guys could uh could hear his story and what 0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:50.480 led to, you know, the prostitution comments that we all 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:55.280 now know and love. Listener Mike Whittaker joining us here. 0:20:55.800 --> 0:20:58.159 He is, he is. You are working right now and 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:00.400 you are recording from a Best Western hotel room, are 0:21:00.440 --> 0:21:05.640 you not, Yes, sir, I am somewhere somewhere in central Illinois. 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:08.480 Somewhere in central Illinois. Well, I think a little bit 0:21:08.480 --> 0:21:10.600 of what you do might tie into this because you 0:21:10.720 --> 0:21:13.119 kicked off your email with that. But um so you 0:21:13.160 --> 0:21:17.880 are twenty five, correct, and you are from Hudson, that's 0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:21.120 where you grew up. Yeah, I'm from Hudson, Ohio, resident 0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:25.080 there for somewhere around twenty one years or twenty two years, 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:27.919 I think. And you you send your email that you 0:21:27.960 --> 0:21:30.800 started ice fishing about what ten years ago? Right ten 0:21:30.880 --> 0:21:33.240 years ago? Yeah, but I really got into it. We 0:21:33.240 --> 0:21:36.520 we just bought an electric ardor last year for the 0:21:36.560 --> 0:21:38.719 first time, and I was like, all right, this has 0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:42.920 changed the change the whole game. Instead of drilling ten 0:21:42.960 --> 0:21:45.080 holes a day and just like calling it good and 0:21:45.119 --> 0:21:48.200 fishing there all day, and I really got into uh, 0:21:48.400 --> 0:21:50.800 just watching a bunch of videos on basin fishing and 0:21:50.880 --> 0:21:52.920 catch a bunch of crop eas and all the good 0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:54.960 stuff learned. I learned a whole time in the past 0:21:55.000 --> 0:21:58.800