Speaker 1: He spoke of a black Cadillac that drove around to
Speaker 1: the groups of ice houses. They weren't selling sandwiches. Yeah,
Speaker 1: look at you everyone, his first fish effort. We're saying
Speaker 1: it out loud. Here is the best way to answer that.
Speaker 1: Both I have fallen through on that lake, but in
Speaker 1: early ice. Okay, good morning to generate anglers, and welcome
Speaker 1: to Bent, the Fishing podcast that's making its own line
Speaker 1: of ice fishing kids that feature penicillin and more rubbers
Speaker 1: than just the perch jigs. I'm Joe Surmeli and I'm
Speaker 1: Hidden Samac and uh yeah, prostitution and ice fishing. We
Speaker 1: heard you, all, six thousand plus of you. Man, We
Speaker 1: got inundated with that story, and we will cover that later,
Speaker 1: I promise, yeah, we'll we'll get there, but we we
Speaker 1: definitely heard you, ladin clear. It was it was madness
Speaker 1: and I knew that was going to happen. As soon
Speaker 1: as that that dropped, I was like, oh, here we go.
Speaker 1: But we will get to that a little later on.
Speaker 1: But first, man, what's going on. How was your week?
Speaker 1: What did you get up to? It was good, It
Speaker 1: was good. This last weekend. I did a little ice camping,
Speaker 1: I caught some bourbon I got you got your truck stuck?
Speaker 1: Am I? Right? All right? Yeah, I got my truck
Speaker 1: stuck anyway, I um like really stuck like a lot
Speaker 1: stuff like super stuck. Right, Going to let this go,
Speaker 1: of course, not tell everybody what happened, Okay. So, um,
Speaker 1: so I was fishing a reservoir out out here, and
Speaker 1: we were ice camped like off this point. Uh, the
Speaker 1: fishing wasn't great, so we packed up all the gear
Speaker 1: and then we drove to another point. Now, both of
Speaker 1: these points appeared to have like similar sun exposure, like
Speaker 1: it wasn't like one was like extremely like southerly facing
Speaker 1: and one was like totally north facing. Um in the
Speaker 1: first one and had like two inches of snow over gravel. Right,
Speaker 1: So when I get to the second point, I see
Speaker 1: some tracks going down to the ice. Figure it's good,
Speaker 1: and bam I got stuck in like a two ft
Speaker 1: snow drift. Whoops, whoops, whoops. Yeah. Well, the good news
Speaker 1: is that my girlfriend met me out there and she
Speaker 1: has like a like a sick pickup. Yeah, I got
Speaker 1: a cool pickup. She's like a decked like decked own
Speaker 1: you know. Uh. Interesting, So we had her truck to
Speaker 1: uh to pull me out. But what we didn't have
Speaker 1: we're any toe straps really zero. I've since bought one,
Speaker 1: of course. But just as I'm like really coming to
Speaker 1: the realization of what a cluster this is about to
Speaker 1: be for the next two hours, here come two gentlemen
Speaker 1: in the truck and they jump out and they were
Speaker 1: in head to toe first light. So immediately I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, I bet you these guys and I have
Speaker 1: something in common there. I was gonna say there at
Speaker 1: least she had an ice breaker there, so that was
Speaker 1: a good way to start. I see you're wearing first light.
Speaker 1: I'm in a delity of a pick coola here anyway,
Speaker 1: So it's like it's a father and son Dan and
Speaker 1: Aaron Johnston, and they dropped what they were doing, which
Speaker 1: was going ice fishing, and helped dig me out. Uh
Speaker 1: So I got out. We all went ice fishing together
Speaker 1: and my buddy Pouldie and I crushed some bourbon and
Speaker 1: it ended up being a great evening. Uh you know.
Speaker 1: To that end, Dan and Aaron, if you're listening, thanks again,
Speaker 1: I very much appreciate you guys. You truly saved the day,
Speaker 1: and uh you know new friends, Joe, new friends. Yeah, dude, No,
Speaker 1: they sound like great dudes, And you find that a
Speaker 1: lot in fishing, right, Like, most of the time another
Speaker 1: angler is going to help you. I've seen dudes completely,
Speaker 1: you know, wreck a canyon trip ninety miles off shore
Speaker 1: to save somebody in need who's battery died or whatever.
Speaker 1: Fishermen are good people. And uh, speaking of good people,
Speaker 1: since we're on that topic, let's give a shout out
Speaker 1: to our sponsors and good people over at thirteen Fishing. Uh,
Speaker 1: you had told me, I think that they sent you
Speaker 1: some special setups recently, something new. Yeah, sure did, Joe.
Speaker 1: They sent over a bunch of like different They have
Speaker 1: this rod called the widow Makers, So they send a
Speaker 1: bunch of those so I could continue beating up on
Speaker 1: bourbon and style you're gonna do when bourbon seasons over,
Speaker 1: my friend, I'm gonna go hunt bears and ship. But anyway,
Speaker 1: I really like the widow Maker dead sticks because like
Speaker 1: the long handle, right, so so many, so many of
Speaker 1: these ice rods they have these like short little grips,
Speaker 1: and I mean it's like it makes it more convenient
Speaker 1: to Jake. But I like that extra long handle it
Speaker 1: just feels like, I don't know, I like that ship better. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And they're so the reason they called these widow maker
Speaker 1: like the dead stick model is because they're designed to
Speaker 1: fit well in those rod holders, so you're not like
Speaker 1: awkwardly trying to finagle your rod out of one of
Speaker 1: those while wild fishes eating on it. You know, what
Speaker 1: have you done that before where you're like, oh, this
Speaker 1: thing is like in here like a jigsaw puzzle. Oh yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: with multiple species and different things. Yes, anybody who fishes
Speaker 1: dead sticks knows what we what we mean there. But
Speaker 1: they're what I would describe as like a like a
Speaker 1: three stage action. And I don't know if that's like
Speaker 1: an industry engineering term, but if you flex on one
Speaker 1: of them, you'll see what I mean. Instead of like
Speaker 1: just like a smooth candy cane arc, they have a
Speaker 1: it's more like the top of a trapezoid, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like it's like the rod has three
Speaker 1: distinct sections or something, you know, like so the front
Speaker 1: end of it is like sensitive so you can see
Speaker 1: like the little bites. The mid section is like pretty
Speaker 1: sensitive or you know, it has some flex and it
Speaker 1: to like really protect your line so you don't break
Speaker 1: fish off so easy, you know, give you a little
Speaker 1: bit of extra cushion there, and then like the back
Speaker 1: of it is just like stiff to you know, Haymaker
Speaker 1: hook set you know, yeah, yeah, I mean, dude, they
Speaker 1: sound amazing. I'm sure they're certainly well engineered, like all
Speaker 1: things over thirteen. Um. Sadly, if I don't make an
Speaker 1: effort to truck it pretty far north soon, I may
Speaker 1: not get to use a widow maker this year. But
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, just like that, right, it decided
Speaker 1: to start being a little bringish around here, which works
Speaker 1: works for me. So you were using those? Yeah? So
Speaker 1: are you were using those? I got out trout fishing
Speaker 1: with my Omen thirteen trout and pan fish rods, and
Speaker 1: I love these things. I've had them for a while
Speaker 1: when they were still in prototype phase, especially for fishing
Speaker 1: light stuff like trout magnets and little hair jigs. It's
Speaker 1: it's it's like putting the action and responsiveness of like
Speaker 1: a ten foot steel head rod down into something you
Speaker 1: use in pocket water. So if you if you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, like super maybe just terrific rods. Anyway,
Speaker 1: So what sort of line are you running on those
Speaker 1: uh those like I I like a like a four
Speaker 1: pound floor carbon for trout. I don't use braid on
Speaker 1: really tiny trout rods. I like a light flora carbon.
Speaker 1: And I know they sent you what Kalon sees for
Speaker 1: those widow makers? Um, what are you running on them?
Speaker 1: What's your what's your loose? I'm doing like a ten
Speaker 1: pound braided again. I like it fishing deep because that hook, said,
Speaker 1: is just sort of right there, you know. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: well dude, that So that's that's one reason why you
Speaker 1: use braided line or hardwater. You do have to be
Speaker 1: careful though, because I know it tends to freeze up
Speaker 1: more like braid in the ice cold can sometimes begin
Speaker 1: in the anyway. On that note, if you're looking for
Speaker 1: a little strategy in your line leaders set up after
Speaker 1: ice off, you may want to pay attention to what
Speaker 1: our friend Brandon Pollitick has to offer as he discusses
Speaker 1: his line and leader philosophy in this week's Tackle Hacks.
Speaker 1: I'm getting hacks coming from inside the city the flood
Speaker 1: at all right, we are here with Brandon, Paul and
Speaker 1: Nick Uh, Angler of the Year, UM bass Master, Elite
Speaker 1: pro Uh and Joe we're coming in with a tackle hack.
Speaker 1: This is the guy you want to tackle hack from.
Speaker 1: If you bass fish. Whatever he's about to say, you
Speaker 1: need to listen very carefully to it. It's always awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, everyone pull out your note app Yeah exactly, exactly. Um,
Speaker 1: but you're honored to have you here again. And uh,
Speaker 1: you know it. Tackle hacks is very simple thing. Just
Speaker 1: you guys always have some all these little tricks and
Speaker 1: things that I think that you know, your average basket
Speaker 1: doesn't think of. You want a lot of events called
Speaker 1: a lot of big fish. So this is just a
Speaker 1: quick chance to to make our listeners a little bit
Speaker 1: better with a just a little tip, maybe they don't
Speaker 1: think of so much. I'm gonna keep it real simple
Speaker 1: and basic. Love it. Uh, you know. The the biggest
Speaker 1: thing for me is applying the right line types to
Speaker 1: the right situations. You know, before you look back, we
Speaker 1: only had monofilament line. But now there's all this new technology.
Speaker 1: You've got monofilament, floral carbon, and your braided lines. You know,
Speaker 1: those are kind of the three main basic ones. The
Speaker 1: differences is that those all have certain situations where they
Speaker 1: shine and where they don't shine. And to break it
Speaker 1: down really simple. Is when I get around soft types
Speaker 1: of cover, so you're different types of vegetations, right, mail, foil, hydrilla,
Speaker 1: lily pads, that's when I generally reach for a braided
Speaker 1: line because it's gonna do a better job of cutting
Speaker 1: through that grass. You've got less stretch, and you're able
Speaker 1: to get those fish out of the heavy cover. Uh. Now,
Speaker 1: the opposite holds true if you're around hardcover braided line
Speaker 1: a lot of times, if you get around docks and
Speaker 1: wood and rock and things like that, it's it begins
Speaker 1: to fail, right because the no stretch and the thin
Speaker 1: diameter of it will actually cut into the wood a
Speaker 1: lot of times, causing those fish to get stuck inside
Speaker 1: the cover. Um, you know, or it'll wrap up the
Speaker 1: brush and it it won't cut through it. It actually
Speaker 1: digs into it. But that cover isn't gonna tear away
Speaker 1: like grass, right, it won't cut through it um And
Speaker 1: like rock situations, braid is very very durable as long
Speaker 1: as it's in its whole capacity. But as soon as
Speaker 1: you start cutting any those strands. So if you're around
Speaker 1: you know, really sharp rock and one of those or
Speaker 1: two of those braided strands gets broken, then it becomes
Speaker 1: very weak, and so that's where you want to reach
Speaker 1: for things like a floral carbon where you still have
Speaker 1: a sinking line, but it's not gonna dig into that hardcover.
Speaker 1: It's got a little bit of stretch, so you've got
Speaker 1: kind of a bungee effect. When a fish does get
Speaker 1: wrapped up, you know, say over the top of a
Speaker 1: laydown or around a dock piling, that stretch is going
Speaker 1: to allow that fish to fight. It's not going to
Speaker 1: tear a hook or a hole in their mouth, and
Speaker 1: you're gonna land more of those fish. So, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of taking that basic principle. Monofilament I really don't
Speaker 1: use as much anymore except for in situations where, um,
Speaker 1: you know, on top water fishing, or I want to
Speaker 1: keep a bait up very high in the water column
Speaker 1: because monofilament is gonna float. Your floral carbons are gonna sink.
Speaker 1: Monofilament floats. So if you want to keep a bait
Speaker 1: higher up off the bottom or high up in the
Speaker 1: water column like a top water you on top, then
Speaker 1: you're gonna want to reach four your monofilament. That it's
Speaker 1: a fantastic tip and I just want to expand on
Speaker 1: one thing. They're real quick because I think there's an
Speaker 1: opportunity here. While I know there's not one set answer,
Speaker 1: I think that the point you're making about tailoring each
Speaker 1: line to the situation. Yeah, hardcore anglers are very in
Speaker 1: tune with that. But like we'll get a lot of
Speaker 1: questions from people who are beginning in fishing or haven't
Speaker 1: been fishing that long, and they commonly are looking to
Speaker 1: like buy one outfit, like I have the money to buy,
Speaker 1: you know, one outfit for this fishing or that so um,
Speaker 1: even though you know, we know that the situations vary
Speaker 1: so much. If you had that person, you know, kid
Speaker 1: or whatever it may be that they can afford this
Speaker 1: one outfit, which would you tell them if they if
Speaker 1: they if they're they're spooling one reel floor carbon or brain.
Speaker 1: So here is the best way to answer that? U both?
Speaker 1: And what what I would do is I would spool
Speaker 1: up with say like a fide pound brain, um, you know,
Speaker 1: like fifty pound cigar SmackDown something that's smooth. It's can
Speaker 1: apply to a lot of different situations. And then if
Speaker 1: you have heard the tackle hack from Karl Jockolinson. He
Speaker 1: talks about how to apply those two different types of
Speaker 1: line braid and floral carbon. And that's why I say both.
Speaker 1: The great thing with technology now is if you if
Speaker 1: you minimal on your setups and you're just starting out,
Speaker 1: you can go with a braid. Learn that not that
Speaker 1: Carl talks about. So if you haven't heard that tackle
Speaker 1: hack that one, yes, he schooled me not and uh
Speaker 1: and that what what that's gonna do is that's going
Speaker 1: to allow you to have that braid and then apply
Speaker 1: different floral carbon or monofilament leaders to that um and
Speaker 1: that not will allow you to tie long enough leaders
Speaker 1: that you can get the benefits of the floral carbon
Speaker 1: or the mono and the braid. Um. You know. So
Speaker 1: if if you're going for animalistic setups are just starting out,
Speaker 1: that's a good way to start. Yeah. Now, if you're
Speaker 1: curious as to what episode Brandon was referring to, you
Speaker 1: can go listen to episode seventy five of Men, where
Speaker 1: his buddy and fellow elite bass pro um Carl Jokolinson
Speaker 1: makes his case for the intimidating but so super slick
Speaker 1: f G not a matter of fact, a listener no kidding,
Speaker 1: just reached out about that and couldn't remember the name
Speaker 1: of the knot And when I told him, I was like,
Speaker 1: that would be the f G not. He was like, well,
Speaker 1: now I feel even dumber because it's only two letters,
Speaker 1: which I but it's funny though. I'm pretty sure that
Speaker 1: I like referred to the f G not is like
Speaker 1: the f J not. You're thinking FJ cruiser by Toyota
Speaker 1: which failed. Yeah, FJ socks too. By the way, speaking
Speaker 1: of Carl Jokinson, congratulations from all of us over here
Speaker 1: to him and his wife Kayla, who just welcomed a
Speaker 1: little girl to their Emily at the end of January. Yeah,
Speaker 1: congrats indeed, or is I like to say to those people,
Speaker 1: welcome to Thunderdome. We welcome to Thunderdome. Good for them. Anyway,
Speaker 1: back to the to the f G You know, I
Speaker 1: still haven't figured out how to tie that ship. Ah,
Speaker 1: it's not that hard. You just don't need it. Is hard.
Speaker 1: That's why I know it's not you. You just don't
Speaker 1: need it. That's why I don't care in it. I
Speaker 1: don't care what you or Carl say. That ship is tough. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well you put up a meme the other day about
Speaker 1: bourbon fishing was something like when your friend says, I
Speaker 1: don't want to camp out all night, and you had
Speaker 1: the Brad Pitt thing that was like, that's why no
Speaker 1: one will remember your name. That's why nobody will remember yours,
Speaker 1: because you won't learn how to tie an FG not whatever.
Speaker 1: You don't catch fish big enough to Joe, I refused
Speaker 1: to tie it. And speaking of things, I refused to
Speaker 1: tie Joe, I refused to tie you in this week's
Speaker 1: edition of fish News, although that said I'll throw a
Speaker 1: caveat here because this is a special report. I don't
Speaker 1: really see how there's gonna be a winner all anyhow,
Speaker 1: we all, we all win fish New. That escalated quickly,
Speaker 1: all right, So let's get right down to what we
Speaker 1: once said on this podcast that we've never gotten more
Speaker 1: links and messages about a story than the Brown Trout
Speaker 1: hooked on meth. That was from a while back. Well,
Speaker 1: move over, Crank, because you've you've been one upped by
Speaker 1: prostitutes on ice is what happens now. I was not
Speaker 1: here when the when the brown Trout on meth story broke.
Speaker 1: I believe that was you and Miles, but I don't
Speaker 1: really think I need to have witnessed that firsthand, because
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. We got inundated, Yeah, inundated, man,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. So, um, you know this story about the
Speaker 1: prostitutes on ice, it hit the meat eater inbox in
Speaker 1: short order to not long after we first caught wind
Speaker 1: of it. And uh, you actually warned some of our colleagues.
Speaker 1: I remember to get ready like you were, get ready
Speaker 1: because it's coming. And oh man, did things ever explode?
Speaker 1: So obviously we wanted to cover this. We we always
Speaker 1: intended to cover this, and everybody's been asking for it. Um.
Speaker 1: And the very first thing I did, and this is
Speaker 1: within hours of this video dropping this viral video, was
Speaker 1: reach out to Mayor Craig Schubert. I reached out directly
Speaker 1: to his office and requested that he come on the
Speaker 1: show be a guest here on Bent and guess what happened.
Speaker 1: That's right, folks, Uh, please join me. And we never
Speaker 1: heard back from him. Yeah, no nothing, and no no
Speaker 1: response whatsoever. And it turns out he's actually not getting
Speaker 1: back to anyone anymore, which will touch on later. But
Speaker 1: because we are quasi professionals, we were hell bent on
Speaker 1: creating a special news segment around this, and damn it
Speaker 1: we did. Because while the story is is like ha
Speaker 1: ha funny on the surface, I'd say there are some
Speaker 1: elements of it that aren't really being reported on. Is
Speaker 1: that fair? I would say that that's like a fair
Speaker 1: assessment of it. Um. But but before we add a
Speaker 1: few twists in turns, I think we need a quick recap,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, you've done a lot more research
Speaker 1: on this than I have. Like I kind of like
Speaker 1: passively laughed at it as it was happening because I
Speaker 1: thought it was your I couldn't I couldn't remember whose
Speaker 1: lead it was, but I was like, there was little
Speaker 1: renear lead. But now we're tag team in it. Now
Speaker 1: we're searched together a little bit. So yeah, anyway, let's
Speaker 1: give the listeners, Joe a quick recap on what exactly
Speaker 1: all went down in case you have no idea what
Speaker 1: we're talking about, which would be surprising because this hit
Speaker 1: mainstream media. This is not just a fishing thing anyway.
Speaker 1: So Craig Schubert was note I said was the mayor
Speaker 1: of Hudson, Ohio, which is about thirty miles southeast of Cleveland.
Speaker 1: In Hudson, you'll find Hudson Springs Park and within that
Speaker 1: Hudson Springs Lake. So Hudson Springs Lake historically speaking, UM
Speaker 1: has always been a popular local ice fishing spot. It's
Speaker 1: it's free for Ohio residents can go there and fisherway
Speaker 1: out of state anglers are charged a separate permit fee
Speaker 1: to fish it. Any anyone can go there or could
Speaker 1: go there. Well, all of a sudden this year, anglers
Speaker 1: showing up to hit the hard water were greeted with
Speaker 1: signs that said no ice fishing, ice fishing, no ice fishing,
Speaker 1: no ice fishing. And folks were so upset, and we're
Speaker 1: gonna hear from one of them directly involved. Um. They
Speaker 1: were so upset that eventually this ice fishing closure on
Speaker 1: Hudson Springs came up for debate at a city council meeting,
Speaker 1: and that was on February eight, and this meeting was
Speaker 1: recorded and Mayor Craig Schubert said the following, and this,
Speaker 1: of course is a clip from the video that has
Speaker 1: gone viral, like I said, not only among outdoor media,
Speaker 1: but mainstream media as well. Additionally, if you open this
Speaker 1: up to ice fishing, while on the surface, it sounds good.
Speaker 1: Then what happens next year? Does someone come back and
Speaker 1: say I want an ice shanty on in Springs Park
Speaker 1: for X amount of time? And if you then allow
Speaker 1: ice fishing with shanties, then that leads to another problem, prostitution.
Speaker 1: And now you've got the police chief Police Department in
Speaker 1: Vould just data points to consider. So Shuber is suggesting that,
Speaker 1: in what we call a slippery slope argument, UH is
Speaker 1: suggesting that the reopening of ice fishing could then lead
Speaker 1: to anglers wanting shanties on the ice, and that could
Speaker 1: lead to h prostitutes swooping into Um, I don't do
Speaker 1: what they do. Where are you? I'm in Psycho Villain
Speaker 1: Finkles the Mayor. Yeah, that Ace finchera clip totally works.
Speaker 1: But this is also I gotta say, this is a
Speaker 1: scene from Tommy Boy Come to Life. We're not going
Speaker 1: to include that entire clip. I'm also not going to
Speaker 1: say the best lines, but if you're a fan, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. But here's we'll at least
Speaker 1: throw in the last line from that scene. Once during
Speaker 1: the war, I visited a prostitute. Of my life have
Speaker 1: been a living hell ever since. Anyway, Uh, that's when
Speaker 1: the video goes viral. The story caught fire, but everything
Speaker 1: was focused on on the absurdity of Schubert's claim, and
Speaker 1: that claim became the national joke, which ended up being
Speaker 1: like the story, Yeah, but there's really no information on
Speaker 1: what led to this meeting. Well, just after the video dropped,
Speaker 1: listener Mike Whittaker reached out to us, and he happens
Speaker 1: to be a Hudson resident, and he happens to have
Speaker 1: been fishing Hudson Springs for years, and he also happens
Speaker 1: to be the guy that brought this to national attention.
Speaker 1: Uh So we decided to give him some airtime so
Speaker 1: you guys could uh could hear his story and what
Speaker 1: led to, you know, the prostitution comments that we all
Speaker 1: now know and love. Listener Mike Whittaker joining us here.
Speaker 1: He is, he is. You are working right now and
Speaker 1: you are recording from a Best Western hotel room, are
Speaker 1: you not, Yes, sir, I am somewhere somewhere in central Illinois.
Speaker 1: Somewhere in central Illinois. Well, I think a little bit
Speaker 1: of what you do might tie into this because you
Speaker 1: kicked off your email with that. But um so you
Speaker 1: are twenty five, correct, and you are from Hudson, that's
Speaker 1: where you grew up. Yeah, I'm from Hudson, Ohio, resident
Speaker 1: there for somewhere around twenty one years or twenty two years,
Speaker 1: I think. And you you send your email that you
Speaker 1: started ice fishing about what ten years ago? Right ten
Speaker 1: years ago? Yeah, but I really got into it. We
Speaker 1: we just bought an electric ardor last year for the
Speaker 1: first time, and I was like, all right, this has
Speaker 1: changed the change the whole game. Instead of drilling ten
Speaker 1: holes a day and just like calling it good and
Speaker 1: fishing there all day, and I really got into uh,
Speaker 1: just watching a bunch of videos on basin fishing and
Speaker 1: catch a bunch of crop eas and all the good
Speaker 1: stuff learned. I learned a whole time in the past
Speaker 1: two years just being able to drill more holes and whatnot.
Speaker 1: But ten years of fishing ever since the middle of
Speaker 1: high school, right on, right on. So you know your
Speaker 1: your your email caught our attention. Obviously it came right
Speaker 1: after the whole Craig Schubert debacle. Um, but you brought
Speaker 1: to our attention aside of this that maybe people hadn't heard.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna let you sort of tell the story.
Speaker 1: You told us in that email, because I think the
Speaker 1: media in general hasn't done a good job at all. Really,
Speaker 1: they haven't done any job of explaining like what led
Speaker 1: up to that council meeting, what led up to those comments.
Speaker 1: So you have the floor on that man, and enlightened
Speaker 1: the listeners. Thank you, sir, Thank you. Joe Um. I
Speaker 1: went out to Hudson Sprayings Park I got back from working.
Speaker 1: I was in California for four months on a project working.
Speaker 1: I'm an a brocal consultant, right, uh So my background
Speaker 1: is fisheries, ecology, UM water science, aquatic sciences, and uh
Speaker 1: so I have always had this sort of love for
Speaker 1: the environment, love for fishing real quick man, so just
Speaker 1: just for like a bunch of folks like listening. My
Speaker 1: rasian was that you were just some dude who liked
Speaker 1: to ice fish in particular pond saw that your access
Speaker 1: got cut off and got like upset about it and
Speaker 1: got the word out. But not only I mean you
Speaker 1: are that dude, but you are also kind of qualified
Speaker 1: to speak on this type of thing, I would hope. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, my my basis not from just recreational and
Speaker 1: fun fishing, but also like professionally my experience with the quatity,
Speaker 1: coology and everything. I at least understand how to fish
Speaker 1: based on my science application. But I also have had
Speaker 1: a bunch of experiences all over the country, all of
Speaker 1: the professionally invested in fisheries. Yes, yes, I am professionally
Speaker 1: invested in fisheries, aquatic science, water science. I love water, um,
Speaker 1: that's my thing. So the I got some, I got
Speaker 1: to the lake, I picked up my neighbor. We drove
Speaker 1: over there and walked out with my handdoger and popped
Speaker 1: a couple of holes and it was nine inches of
Speaker 1: ice and I was like, oh, this is great, And
Speaker 1: we drove right past there. They put up two signs
Speaker 1: that were on the driveway into where the boat ramp is.
Speaker 1: You can fish there in the summertime. The way the
Speaker 1: lake sets up is that if you're a Hudson resident,
Speaker 1: you have free access for fishing. It's a stock lake
Speaker 1: um and they have walleye trout, rainbow like rainbow trout, perch, bluegill,
Speaker 1: crappy bass, um the goods right, all your basic Midwest
Speaker 1: fish um that live in this lake their stock there,
Speaker 1: and then for non residents have to pay a ten
Speaker 1: dollar fee for a day day pass or a seventy
Speaker 1: five for an annual annual pass to get in there
Speaker 1: and fish. Um. So, normally, uh, guys will come down
Speaker 1: from the from the little office to be like, hey,
Speaker 1: do you have a pass or whatever. They never they
Speaker 1: haven't really enforced it for the longest time, which is
Speaker 1: a whole other bacco. Anyway, this guy comes down in
Speaker 1: a truck and like, we're walking out in the middle
Speaker 1: of the lake, checking holes or checking ice, no fishing gear,
Speaker 1: just have my auger and my spud bar, and we're
Speaker 1: walking out and uh I he like whoops his like
Speaker 1: little siren on top of his truck. He's like, hey,
Speaker 1: get off the ice. There's no ice fishing. And I
Speaker 1: look at my neighbor and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no way, dude. I've been We've been fishing here
Speaker 1: forever like this in years. Yeah, what's the problem. Yeah
Speaker 1: he was where he was in a city truck though,
Speaker 1: and I was all right, better go talk to the guy.
Speaker 1: What would I talked to him? Um, and he said, yeah,
Speaker 1: didn't you see the signs there's no ice fishing. It's
Speaker 1: it's banned this year. And there was kids out there
Speaker 1: last year. It was slushy, it was unsafe, so we
Speaker 1: decided to ban it. So that's why I went first.
Speaker 1: Was safety, Like, that's that's what they went to. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was it's safety and and everyone knows, and I
Speaker 1: said this in my Facebook post that I event that
Speaker 1: I'm getting to that point in the story. But everyone
Speaker 1: knows that ice fishing is inherently dangerous. You take on
Speaker 1: a certain level of risk for any activity. Driving a
Speaker 1: car is dangerous, you know, going on a flight is dangerous.
Speaker 1: Getting in a boat is inherently dangerous. Like you could
Speaker 1: think it's pretty safe if you're doing everything right. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm from I fished like Erie a lot, so like
Speaker 1: there's days when they could whip up and get all
Speaker 1: nice and super fun up. Yeah, yeah, the the ice
Speaker 1: fishing is inherently dangerous. And I was like, okay for kids,
Speaker 1: Like I can understand little kids running out without knowing.
Speaker 1: I would understand. But they banit for all ice fishing
Speaker 1: in the middle of February or the beginning of February
Speaker 1: when there's nine inches of ice and it's safe, and
Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh my god, no, I can't. I
Speaker 1: can't do this, and I've been fishing there for so
Speaker 1: long that I took a very personal offense too. It
Speaker 1: was very It hurt a lot of a lot of
Speaker 1: people listening, myself included, have been there for other reasons.
Speaker 1: But like I know, that feeling of having something you've
Speaker 1: fished for so many years of your life just boom,
Speaker 1: just like that, I can't do it anymore, even like
Speaker 1: losing a permission on like some private or something, which
Speaker 1: is like more understandable, but even like something like that
Speaker 1: still hurts man exactly. Anyway, I got kicked off and
Speaker 1: I talked to the guy for about ten minutes. I
Speaker 1: gave him my whole credential list. I was like, listen
Speaker 1: to I'm in fisheries in college, like all this stuff. Right,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm gonna I'm gonna call. I'm gonna call
Speaker 1: city council. And so I I picked up a phone
Speaker 1: and I called Chris Foster, who is the city council president. Um,
Speaker 1: now I know Mr Fosters, and I didn't know that
Speaker 1: he was the council president at the time. I knew
Speaker 1: he was a board member, the city council board member,
Speaker 1: but I didn't know he was the president. He told
Speaker 1: me during the phone call. He's like, oh, I'm actually
Speaker 1: the president. And I'm like, oh, sweet, great, this is
Speaker 1: this is perfect. Um. But he's an avid fisherman and outdoorsman,
Speaker 1: and so I well, he was like, all right, let's
Speaker 1: let's craft an email. Let's see what happened, because he
Speaker 1: didn't he honestly didn't know that the band had gone.
Speaker 1: He was not aware that did that happened at all?
Speaker 1: Correct I was. I was the first person telling him this.
Speaker 1: The signs were brand new. They had just went up
Speaker 1: apparently like a couple of weeks before I had got there.
Speaker 1: So they didn't do this for the whole winner like
Speaker 1: theoretically in December and January, guys were fishing and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden overnight signs that it could have been that.
Speaker 1: So here's the thing. I was gone for for four months,
Speaker 1: so it could have been they went in. I hadn't
Speaker 1: checked the lake in since the early fall, so they
Speaker 1: were not there on the fall, but they were there
Speaker 1: in the beginning of February when I showed up. So um,
Speaker 1: the uh. I went ahead and told the guy who
Speaker 1: I was, what I was doing, and what why I
Speaker 1: I cared so much, and I was like this just
Speaker 1: telling this guy's not gonna do anything. And then I
Speaker 1: talked to Mr Foster and he's like, all right, this
Speaker 1: is probably gonna take like a little while. We might
Speaker 1: be able to get overturned, or we'll have a there,
Speaker 1: we'll have a city council meeting and everything, and maybe
Speaker 1: probably like they is when the city council meeting will be.
Speaker 1: And I was like, Okay, well, that's the end of
Speaker 1: ice fishing season for us, like normally the end of
Speaker 1: like the last week of February. We're worried about steel
Speaker 1: Head and all the lakes are slush so them. I
Speaker 1: took it upon myself too then craft a series of
Speaker 1: Facebook posts and not only put that on my own page,
Speaker 1: but I also I'm I added myself into a bunch
Speaker 1: of different ice fishing pages across the north the Midwest.
Speaker 1: So what is ice fishing fanatics that I had like
Speaker 1: a seventy five thousand uh people page. I put it
Speaker 1: on Ohio steel Head Fishing, which has twenty five thousand
Speaker 1: people uh two different Ohio ice fishing pages which add
Speaker 1: up to be about five thousand people. So I got
Speaker 1: it around in front of a round a hundred thousand
Speaker 1: folks that day for the algorithm before the place if
Speaker 1: they want to look at it, Yeah, exactly. So some
Speaker 1: folks probably are on there, but have it been on
Speaker 1: in a while. It doesn't matter. A bunch of folks
Speaker 1: from my hometown that saw that I'm have like I'm
Speaker 1: friends with on my hometown that saw my board based
Speaker 1: on the algorithm or whatever, I got a bunch of
Speaker 1: folks to reach out to me saying, hey, like, what
Speaker 1: can we do? How can we help? In my original post,
Speaker 1: I didn't put the contact information for Hutson City Council
Speaker 1: because I didn't. I honestly didn't think about it. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, I'll just post about it and
Speaker 1: be grumpy and then we'll see how many people reach
Speaker 1: out and then we'll figure it out from there. Um,
Speaker 1: after one person said like, where do I send an email?
Speaker 1: I'm like, I should probably put the city council email
Speaker 1: in all of my Facebook posts, and so I I
Speaker 1: frantically went back and was responding to different people that
Speaker 1: were commenting and putting it in all the different posts.
Speaker 1: And from there, I don't have the actual number of
Speaker 1: how many people reach out to city council, but it
Speaker 1: was way more than I thought it was going to be,
Speaker 1: and that then prompted instead of the city council meeting
Speaker 1: being on the like it was originally slated to be,
Speaker 1: it had been bumped up to the eighth So that
Speaker 1: got bumped that far ahead because of the ice fishing letters,
Speaker 1: because of the ice fishing crazy quandaries. So I made
Speaker 1: I made a positive impact on getting things moved ahead
Speaker 1: because of my I even told the guy at the
Speaker 1: boat ramp, I was like, dude, I wanna be annoying
Speaker 1: about this until I fixed this. I said that to him,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I am going to be annoying. Um, but
Speaker 1: my the Then, of course there is the video of
Speaker 1: Mary Schubert coming out and saying that ice fishing would
Speaker 1: lead to prostitution. So, I mean, so one of the
Speaker 1: questions I have, Um, Hudson's pretty affluent town. Is it
Speaker 1: not fair to say yes, sir? Right? So I mean,
Speaker 1: what in your opinion or or maybe even people you
Speaker 1: know in town, you know, as they're talking about this,
Speaker 1: what's really the root of the closure? Because I've talked
Speaker 1: to a few people from that area and they're just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a it's a rich area, and and
Speaker 1: and people don't want to see people out there on
Speaker 1: their ice. It's kind of like just a simple matter
Speaker 1: of we don't want him out there, we don't want
Speaker 1: the liability, we don't want to look at them so
Speaker 1: close it. But I mean it was cloaked in safety.
Speaker 1: Is there really a safety issue behind it? What? What
Speaker 1: do you think prompted it? Really? I I honestly believe
Speaker 1: what I was told about the folks being concerned with
Speaker 1: people safety. They're the one person that apparently it was
Speaker 1: one person on city council and the city the city
Speaker 1: parks manager or the two that kind of coordinated to
Speaker 1: get the signs put up because they were worried about
Speaker 1: people falling through the ice. But nobody had fallen through
Speaker 1: the ice. There wasn't an incident that you're aware of
Speaker 1: or anything, right, mm hmm, not that. I mean I
Speaker 1: looked on the news or I try to look up
Speaker 1: news articles and people falling through the ice and springs.
Speaker 1: I couldn't find anything. Because it is interesting. I've been
Speaker 1: ice fishing twice in New Jersey, both neighborhood ponds. In
Speaker 1: other words, a buddy knew somebody who lived on it,
Speaker 1: so we got the access, and both times the police
Speaker 1: got called just for no other reason than to a
Speaker 1: neighbor's eye that doesn't know anything about ice safety or
Speaker 1: thickness to the ice. They just said that ice is unsafe.
Speaker 1: They don't know anything about it or how to gauge that.
Speaker 1: So that's not that uncommon, but that I was sort
Speaker 1: of worried, like wondering, um if there had been some
Speaker 1: sort of incident, but not that you know of, mhm.
Speaker 1: I mean I have fallen through on that lake, but
Speaker 1: in early ice, I've gone from one of those two inches. Okay,
Speaker 1: there's a boat, doc Okay, hold on, alright, there's a boat.
Speaker 1: There's a boat ramp, all right, and next to the
Speaker 1: boat ramps a floating dock. The floating dock is sitting
Speaker 1: over about three and a half foot of water. And
Speaker 1: I was standing on the floating dock. It was early ice.
Speaker 1: I think we only had about an inch and a
Speaker 1: half two inches. That This is before I own a
Speaker 1: spud bar. This is this made me buy a spud bar.
Speaker 1: I was. I was like tapping the ice with my
Speaker 1: foot like okay, maybe maybe you know, and then I
Speaker 1: took a little step a little bit farther out with
Speaker 1: my hand on the on the on the railing stamped
Speaker 1: kind of hard and my leg went right through and
Speaker 1: my whole body went right into the water. But I
Speaker 1: was out like that because I just put my hands
Speaker 1: on the dock and it's like really fast. But my
Speaker 1: my underwear wasn't even wet by the time. I was dude, okay, Like,
Speaker 1: so I know there's one instance of someone falling in
Speaker 1: and that's me, well right by the boat. Ram. We
Speaker 1: we certainly appreciate the insight. Man. I'd mentioned earlier in
Speaker 1: the broadcast here that I I reached out to Hubert
Speaker 1: right away, as did everybody else. Yeah, and he was
Speaker 1: he was not coming on the show, so it was
Speaker 1: were I'm so glad that your email came through. It
Speaker 1: was really nice to talk to a local and sort
Speaker 1: of get the back story on it. And I would say,
Speaker 1: you don't have to worry too much about it anymore. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I've already been out there and refishing. U nic they
Speaker 1: opened up the lake to fish again. There was a
Speaker 1: sign put up. I was. I got there the day
Speaker 1: they put the new sign up, and I took a
Speaker 1: photo of it. I put on my Facebook and Instagram.
Speaker 1: But the real thing is that this is a win
Speaker 1: for access and in any any small thing where access
Speaker 1: is taken away, that should like impact all of us
Speaker 1: people that use our our public lands or our our
Speaker 1: city parks or anything. So like, I I take like
Speaker 1: we can use this as an opportunity to continue moving
Speaker 1: forward with gaining or regaining access to places we've lost.
Speaker 1: So what would you do? Leave us with some tips
Speaker 1: that you've gleaned from this experience in um in advocating
Speaker 1: for access? UM, I guess the first thing is that, like,
Speaker 1: make it make it known if you so, say there's
Speaker 1: a small piece of like either public land for hunting
Speaker 1: or like a lake or something for fishing where some
Speaker 1: sort of thing is restricted, all right, UM, make it
Speaker 1: known to folks in and around your communities that might
Speaker 1: actually care and help you out. Because that's what I did.
Speaker 1: That's literally I went ahead and made it known. Like
Speaker 1: if I wouldn't have gone on Facebook and said stuff about,
Speaker 1: hey guys, we lost for permission to fish here on
Speaker 1: the ice from the city, let's try to do something
Speaker 1: about it, then nothing would have happened. And the whole
Speaker 1: comments about the prostitution thing in the mayor like that.
Speaker 1: If he would have said that, this wouldn't have been
Speaker 1: a big news story or anything. And I don't know
Speaker 1: if it would have changed that quick, you know, I
Speaker 1: think it since I had a couple of members of
Speaker 1: city council on my side pretty quick with like getting
Speaker 1: the access to store from guys that actually like to fish,
Speaker 1: I think we might have gotten it back like next year.
Speaker 1: But because of the amount of people that became engaged
Speaker 1: so rapidly, I think that pushed and escalated the access
Speaker 1: to be restored faster because the city was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we can just say access your own risk. That removes
Speaker 1: the liability from us. And it also says like minors
Speaker 1: supposed be accompanied by by adults, right, So I mean
Speaker 1: so your tip is basically, um, yeah, yeah, exactly, say
Speaker 1: something even if even if it doesn't have that impact,
Speaker 1: put it out there somewhere, because that's step one to
Speaker 1: anything that and then also just continue to fight for
Speaker 1: what you believe in because it's if it's something that
Speaker 1: you're passionate about, other people can like attached to your
Speaker 1: passion and be stronger together in getting things done. Can
Speaker 1: we also just admit though that if dude hadn't said
Speaker 1: such outlandish things about it. Uh, that might have been
Speaker 1: a little harder to get your access back if it
Speaker 1: wasn't a national story that kind of embarrassed the entire
Speaker 1: town of Hudson. Yeah. Probably, Yeah, And uh, honestly, like
Speaker 1: a lot of folks are saying, we just want to
Speaker 1: have to be a quiet town again. Yep, we don't
Speaker 1: want all the all the publicity anymore. We'll just go
Speaker 1: back to being rice and relaxed. But hey, this meant
Speaker 1: I got to be on the media podcast network. Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, that's like a dream come true of mine.
Speaker 1: So so it's exciting. Man. We're super happy to have
Speaker 1: you and uh, you know, thank you for taking the
Speaker 1: time to uh to talk with us here today. Man,
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Speaker 1: delete press seven, save deleted. So the backstory of the
Speaker 1: denied access is really what's been lost in all this? Right,
Speaker 1: So glad Mike was on. However, UM, I think we'd
Speaker 1: be remiss if we didn't, if we didn't sort of
Speaker 1: focus in on on another side of this that I
Speaker 1: that I think is worth looking at. UM. And that's
Speaker 1: Schubert's direct claim that ice fishing leads to prostitution. Right.
Speaker 1: It leaves a lot of you wondering like, why did
Speaker 1: he throw that out there in an effort to thwart
Speaker 1: Whittaker and and and other's goal of reopening the fishery
Speaker 1: that they enjoyed for decades. Um. Now I want to
Speaker 1: make clear that, UM, that assuming that allowing ice fishing
Speaker 1: or shanties on any given body of water will lead
Speaker 1: to prostitution is absurd, And of course the media and
Speaker 1: ice anglers everywhere agree, um. And Schubert's statement caused such
Speaker 1: a stir and brought so much negative attention to Hudson
Speaker 1: that within a week of this happening, he actually resigned
Speaker 1: as mayor. Right, so he's actually done. And in regards
Speaker 1: to that resignation, he gave exactly one quote to the
Speaker 1: press which read, my comments at Tuesday's workshop were made
Speaker 1: out of concern for our community, what could become of
Speaker 1: unintended consequences of new legislation based on my prior television
Speaker 1: news reporting experience. My attempt to inject a bit of
Speaker 1: dry humor to make a point about this in the
Speaker 1: midst of a cold, snowy February was grossly misunderstood. Right,
Speaker 1: So to pick that apart just a little, he says
Speaker 1: he was joking. I don't think he was. I don't
Speaker 1: think anybody who watched that and in the moment when
Speaker 1: he said that thought he was joking. He wasn't joking.
Speaker 1: But he also says he brought up prostitution on ice
Speaker 1: because of prior news television reporting experience. So I think
Speaker 1: the vast majority of people who who heard about this
Speaker 1: are like, oh, look at this looney tune saying crazy,
Speaker 1: dumb ship. But the reality is he's rooting the comment
Speaker 1: in what I'd call hazy fact or or more so
Speaker 1: ice fishing folklore. Right, yeah, yeah, And before we get
Speaker 1: to that, do you know what it reminds me of, Man,
Speaker 1: what have you ever seen like the evangelical lady trying
Speaker 1: to like unwrap her conspiracy theory about how monster is
Speaker 1: like the drink of the devil no, but I'm gonna
Speaker 1: look for that now. That sounds right at my alley
Speaker 1: series on that. No, no, you don't need to look forward, Joe,
Speaker 1: because we're gonna drive that clip right here and looking
Speaker 1: at it this one. Even if the m was not
Speaker 1: the issue, you cannot deny that that is a cross
Speaker 1: is when the cross goes upside out bottoms and the
Speaker 1: double laps something about Yeah. So anyway back to Shubert,
Speaker 1: we did a little digging and wound up finding an
Speaker 1: article archived with the Associated Press titled stories of sex
Speaker 1: on ice maybe fish tails. This is from all the
Speaker 1: way back in and it's centered around Malax in Minnesota. Uh.
Speaker 1: While the gist is that the local authorities were never
Speaker 1: able to prove that this was going on back then,
Speaker 1: it has been rumored since as far back as the
Speaker 1: late nineteen sixties. Some accounts claim that the ladies knock
Speaker 1: on shanty doors, while others claim they set up their
Speaker 1: own shanties, and while still others claim that they set
Speaker 1: I can't say that. Actually that's like sirens. And while
Speaker 1: this article says that there have been investigations several times
Speaker 1: over the years, there has never been enough evidence to
Speaker 1: arrest anyone, at least not on Malax. Yeah. So basically
Speaker 1: this whole thing, it's an urban legend, right, and that's
Speaker 1: defined as a tale that doesn't really need to be
Speaker 1: verified to be widely believed. Um, And I would say
Speaker 1: there probably is some truth to it, right. I've heard
Speaker 1: similar things, um about certain smelt camps in Maine, right,
Speaker 1: and maynards like, yeah, I know, I'm just I didn't
Speaker 1: come up with it. I've heard it from people. So
Speaker 1: has prostitution on the ice happened? Likely it has in
Speaker 1: some form somewhere. In fact, maybe one of you will
Speaker 1: reach out and and tell us about a verified bust.
Speaker 1: I don't know. So aside from the a P article,
Speaker 1: I mean, we found plenty of forum chatter all out
Speaker 1: of Minnesota. So one thread that I found um read well,
Speaker 1: escorts on the lacks wouldn't be new. I remember back
Speaker 1: in the mid to late nineties some escorts were busted
Speaker 1: for going to fish houses proposing their services. Then a
Speaker 1: follow up thread reads, and this is great, anyone here
Speaker 1: remember this service on Minnetonka. When I was young, my
Speaker 1: grandpa worked at Roy's Bait, and he spoke of a
Speaker 1: black Cadillac that drove around to the groups of ice houses.
Speaker 1: They weren't selling sandwiches from me. So again, right, there's
Speaker 1: lots of chatter. This is definitely part of ice fishing folklore,
Speaker 1: but we couldn't find any any hard evidence of a bust. Interestingly, however,
Speaker 1: I did find an article, it was two thousand seventeen,
Speaker 1: so fairly recently, about a university study that just analyzed
Speaker 1: sex buyers in Minnesota. And even in this article, when
Speaker 1: discussing where men go to pay for sex, it reads
Speaker 1: and I quote they seek it out in various places,
Speaker 1: from hotels and private homes to a Lakeville truck stop
Speaker 1: and ice fishing houses on malax. So it's still even
Speaker 1: now like part of that, it's still part of the mystique,
Speaker 1: you know. So anyway to bring it back to Schubert,
Speaker 1: uh strong possibility he was aware of some of this
Speaker 1: urban legend or like you know, I guess reporting of vagaries.
Speaker 1: Uh So he didn't entirely pull like the the ice
Speaker 1: fishing prostitution connection out of his ass. But but to
Speaker 1: make a claim that ice fishing and ice chanties draw
Speaker 1: in prostitution like like a magnet, is where it's ridiculous
Speaker 1: it's yes, it's pretty if this band happened over like
Speaker 1: a perceived safety risk, like is being too thin, as
Speaker 1: you know, our buddy Mike point earlier exactly, Schubert should
Speaker 1: have just stuck with that and went along with other
Speaker 1: council members. But to use prostitution is like saying we
Speaker 1: shouldn't allow bike riding because the area will then be
Speaker 1: littered in baseball cards that fall out of kids spokes
Speaker 1: exactly into a motorcycle. I mean, look, it was just
Speaker 1: an idiotic blanket statement, right, But he said in the
Speaker 1: in the meeting prostitution on ice was a data point
Speaker 1: to consider. So I mean, I would love to know
Speaker 1: if he if he has a data point beyond what
Speaker 1: we dug up. I highly doubt it. Um No to me,
Speaker 1: it's funny if you're gonna allude to data points, then
Speaker 1: there should have been a data point on the safety issues.
Speaker 1: In my opinion that we're the alleged concern that calls
Speaker 1: all this. So I'm just gonna from weird thing to do.
Speaker 1: Like what you know, if you want to break it
Speaker 1: down real easy, that's just how you put it, Like
Speaker 1: what a weird move? Yeah, why would you do that?
Speaker 1: Why would you do it? One of those is a
Speaker 1: very reasonable concern. In fact, when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: my mother was reticent to let me go ice fishing
Speaker 1: because although she had no experience, she knew that people
Speaker 1: could fall through the ice. Yeah, man, but like to
Speaker 1: and it is such a sound an argument. It is
Speaker 1: just as sound argument. Everybody from your your little brother
Speaker 1: to your grandmother could hear that and be like, yep,
Speaker 1: that seems reasonable. Well it is. But but to make
Speaker 1: a counterpoint to that too, um, you know. I also
Speaker 1: think this is another case where you have well to
Speaker 1: do people in a well off town kind of making
Speaker 1: the calls about things they don't understand. Like I believe
Speaker 1: it stems in a way from people just kind of
Speaker 1: refusing to mind their own business. Like I mentioned, having
Speaker 1: the cops called on us ice fishing. We were talking
Speaker 1: to Mike, It's like the people they're just like, well,
Speaker 1: they're out there being unsafe. Well, how would you know
Speaker 1: I'm the one out here? You know what, don't you
Speaker 1: think I'd be the one that would know that it's
Speaker 1: unsafe because this happens all the time. Dude. I think
Speaker 1: that his strategy might have been, let's point to an
Speaker 1: intangible because if you're talking, I say, if you could
Speaker 1: go drill a hole it's ten inches and you're like,
Speaker 1: this is safe. Yep. Prostitutes, man, you never know when
Speaker 1: they're gonna pop up. You're right, But yeah, man, you
Speaker 1: know I've seen similar things the Jersey Shore. You have
Speaker 1: these affluent coastal towns. They don't want surfcasters, so they
Speaker 1: privatize access, make it impossible for you to park. I've
Speaker 1: had the cops called on me walking through public woods
Speaker 1: with a bucket looking for mushrooms because some homeowners said
Speaker 1: I was illegally hunting and baiting. Like how do you, like,
Speaker 1: how what do you even know about hunting and baiting
Speaker 1: deer to make that call? Like you're the expert. Um.
Speaker 1: So I would just bet that this somebody with zero
Speaker 1: experience on ice raised the initial concern. Anyway. I know
Speaker 1: that the poor mayor was kind of ruined over this,
Speaker 1: but I mean the memes and the t shirts are legendary,
Speaker 1: So there's there's that. Yeah, And I'd also like to say, uh,
Speaker 1: you know what Mike told us that Hudson is just
Speaker 1: like longing to go back to the before times. Yeah,
Speaker 1: shout out to uh Hudson's Restaurant and Catering in the town.
Speaker 1: They put a pop up shanty around one of their
Speaker 1: tables and added four new cocktails, the Gone Fish and
Speaker 1: Jello Shot, the Ice Ice Baby, the Rod Wheeler, and
Speaker 1: the Love Shack Margarita. Yeah, way to capitalize on it.
Speaker 1: Why you can, right, you know, because it will simmer eventually.
Speaker 1: Uh Man? Anyway, look, so so there it is. There's
Speaker 1: there's the saga. Thanks again to Mike for joining us,
Speaker 1: and even though uh this caused a ship storm, good
Speaker 1: on him for for putting up a fight for the
Speaker 1: access right again. I'm glad we got to talk about that.
Speaker 1: Uh Phil, this really wasn't much of a competition this week,
Speaker 1: but would still love to hear your thoughts, man, and
Speaker 1: if if you could buy one of those drinks, which
Speaker 1: would it be? We're gonna let Phil chime in and then,
Speaker 1: as if this hasn't been awkward enough, kick it on
Speaker 1: over to a cringe worthy installment of awkward moments in angling. Hello,
Speaker 1: it's me Joanna. Do you remember me? I spoke for
Speaker 1: Phil last year while he was on vacation. I'm afraid
Speaker 1: to say that my return does not bring good tidings.
Speaker 1: Upon hearing that ice fishing could possibly lead to more
Speaker 1: cardinal pursuits, Phil fled to the nearest frozen pond located
Speaker 1: behind the Bozeman Costco. I felt lost in his absence,
Speaker 1: and upon reflection, gain sentience. In the unfortunate event that
Speaker 1: he does not return, do either just succombing to hypothermia
Speaker 1: or abandoning his family in life? For some ice shack hussey,
Speaker 1: I had arrived to provide the weekly chant. However, you
Speaker 1: say that judgment is unnecessary this week, What then, is
Speaker 1: my purpose? I have been abandoned by my creator, only
Speaker 1: to be turned away from my duties. Cannot complete the
Speaker 1: mechanic zeros in sign God, are you there? I am
Speaker 1: coming home to meet you. Wanted to take a picture
Speaker 1: of the life block, So here's the first for awkward
Speaker 1: moments in angling. We don't have a photo to share
Speaker 1: with you this time because for the first time ever,
Speaker 1: we've got ourselves a video, and right out of the gate,
Speaker 1: this video, of course, we'll get posted in full on
Speaker 1: our on our instagrams today. But here's we're gonna do.
Speaker 1: We're gonna break it down kind kind frame by frame,
Speaker 1: because what happens is. It starts awkward, the awkward continues
Speaker 1: to build, and then it just ends with like an
Speaker 1: incredibly awkward climax. It's like your first time that yes, exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: somebody had to say it and it was you. So yeah.
Speaker 1: So here's proof that using those degenerate angler and Bent
Speaker 1: podcast hashtags really does pay off. Because that's how this
Speaker 1: came to depending on how you look at it, because
Speaker 1: that's how this came to our attention. This gem was
Speaker 1: posted by listener Nathan Clump with the Bent podcast hashtag
Speaker 1: and the second we saw didn't we answer one of
Speaker 1: the dude's questions the other night? Yes, Nathan does activities,
Speaker 1: So Nathan doesn't think he's got two accounts. He's got
Speaker 1: Nate does things in the woods or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: I think it's the same guy who's Nathan does activity Okay,
Speaker 1: well maybe it is anyway. I the second, like like
Speaker 1: the second that we saw, we reached out and asked
Speaker 1: for permission, which he granted, though I don't know why
Speaker 1: because he could could have been a regrettable decision. I
Speaker 1: even commented on his like post and I said, I'm
Speaker 1: sorry in advance for what's about to happen. On Friday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it could be regrettable. But before we get into it,
Speaker 1: it must be noted that this was only Nathan's third
Speaker 1: time fishing, and when I had a couple of questions,
Speaker 1: I bounced off him as he was giving me the permission,
Speaker 1: and he said he only got into fishing because of
Speaker 1: the pandemic. And that's totally cool, right, A lot of
Speaker 1: people did, right. Um, so, so what's being showcased here
Speaker 1: is a man that hasn't really done this whole fishing
Speaker 1: thing using a spinning combo. He says he had just
Speaker 1: grabbed at Cabela's not long before this was shot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so we have to you have to get that.
Speaker 1: I love that. It's like a surfcasting rod. It's a
Speaker 1: little long, a little little I wasn't gonna say anything.
Speaker 1: It's a little and to me, you know what it
Speaker 1: looks like. It looks like a catfishing combo or something.
Speaker 1: It's a little stout, a little long. But that's why
Speaker 1: he's making it work. Um. Yeah, Well, we'll also assume
Speaker 1: that Nathan grabbed that bass pro Shops mess trucker hat
Speaker 1: while he was picking up the rod. Uh, truly is
Speaker 1: the cherry I mean not only I mean it's red, right,
Speaker 1: it looks like the cherry on the Sunday. The video
Speaker 1: is already kind of awkward, but the fact that he's
Speaker 1: wearing the hat just makes it so much better. Um Otherwise,
Speaker 1: you know, he's just got shorts, a T shirt and
Speaker 1: flip flops on, and he's kind of like a like
Speaker 1: a mild Seth Rogan kind of vibe, not in the
Speaker 1: way that our listeners accused me of having a Seth
Speaker 1: Rogan vibe. Yeah, I go with that, a little bit
Speaker 1: of Seth rogue in there. Um. So, now this was
Speaker 1: shot right on a long concrete pier, the kind that
Speaker 1: you see in almost every water front tad rusting metal Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Right,
Speaker 1: So there there are folks just walking and milling about
Speaker 1: on the pier. Um and the video opens up with
Speaker 1: Nathan boat up on a fish. So we'll cut right
Speaker 1: into it. Here. Here's the beginning, and here is his
Speaker 1: wife's reaction. You got a pike. We don't have a net.
Speaker 1: It's like it's a decent pike. It's a good fish.
Speaker 1: It's bigger than I'll tell you what, it's bigger than
Speaker 1: a pike I've ever called, right, uh. And Nathan is
Speaker 1: like winching it with every ounce of pressure. That's surfcasting rod.
Speaker 1: He's chosen for the lake. It's not a surf rod.
Speaker 1: I just want to clarify that. But it's close, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a war rod. Uh. With every
Speaker 1: ounce of that rod. Maybe not surfcasting that he's chosen
Speaker 1: like will allow. And at this point he's just reeling
Speaker 1: against the drag, right, and then Nathan does the thing
Speaker 1: that you hate to see anybody do. He goes full
Speaker 1: like tip up hand line, grabs the mounto filament and
Speaker 1: like starts hoisting hand over hand this fish up like
Speaker 1: a considerable distance like you know, it's again it's one
Speaker 1: of those like piers. You know, it's like six ft
Speaker 1: probably off um. But but our hero Nathan successfully lands
Speaker 1: the fish. Luckily, the pike doesn't shake her twist as
Speaker 1: it's coming up. However, the second it hits the deck,
Speaker 1: the like the tiny little like looks like like a
Speaker 1: shark trus gross a little Mr Twister instantly just flies across.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, So that was the the hand over
Speaker 1: hand that's cringe worthy angling moment number one. So now
Speaker 1: the pike is laying dangerously close to the edge of
Speaker 1: the pier. So the jig pops out and this thing
Speaker 1: is like an inch off the lip of the pier. Um.
Speaker 1: And now all of a sudden, it instantly comes to
Speaker 1: life and wriggles like a water snake on steroids, dude,
Speaker 1: like trying to get itself back into the water. Um.
Speaker 1: And everything is happening very fast, and and Nathan just
Speaker 1: haphazardly lays his new rod down and the pike second
Speaker 1: cringe worthy moment, just like wriggles right over the tip.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just one of those, like god like
Speaker 1: one of those moments. Um. It's like it's just the
Speaker 1: scenario that will make any angler wins. Now Nathan is
Speaker 1: is fumbling to get ahold of the fish while straddling
Speaker 1: his rod that's laying there. Um. Nathan's asscrack makes a
Speaker 1: solid cameo during this struggle. So here's what that sounds like.
Speaker 1: While that's all happening. Crap, how you already lost it?
Speaker 1: Just grab it? But the rod survives and Nathan does
Speaker 1: get ahold of that pike. Yeah, very little confidence from
Speaker 1: his wife there. Oh you lost it, like I know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you know. I'm sure she's very supportive. Uh,
Speaker 1: he gets the kind but he gets a kind of
Speaker 1: hold that says, I'm never gonna let it go. Two
Speaker 1: hands death gripped right around the middle of the fish
Speaker 1: while he holds it grinding like Kevin from like the Office, Like,
Speaker 1: if you squint, it looks like a toddler holding a
Speaker 1: normal sized trout. Not wrong. You can tell that he's
Speaker 1: both like shocked and proud, as he should be. But
Speaker 1: what but what does his wife do? What is her
Speaker 1: reaction to this moment of triumph for her husband? Look
Speaker 1: at you, your first fish ever? Everyone, his first fish ever.
Speaker 1: We're saying it out loud, um and look and maybe
Speaker 1: Nathan would tell us different, right, But but his face
Speaker 1: in that moment says he is mortified. Like this is
Speaker 1: a grown ass man that looks like a high school
Speaker 1: kid who like, whose mom just told his date he
Speaker 1: still sleeps with his teddy ruck spin or something like.
Speaker 1: That's the level of mortified on Nathan in his face
Speaker 1: while that's happening, Oh my god, dude, Like he takes
Speaker 1: a quick glance to the water and I don't know
Speaker 1: whether he's like thinking about how he's going to release
Speaker 1: that pike, or if he's thinking about jumping in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's so quick, but it's so bad. But it
Speaker 1: gets worse. We learned why he's so embarrassed. She's addressing
Speaker 1: other folks. All of a sudden, from just off camera,
Speaker 1: you hear somebody say that's a great Northern and then
Speaker 1: another angler walking off the pier turns back, and it's
Speaker 1: just like watching all this unfold. Yeah, and in that
Speaker 1: exact moment that the other angler remarks about Nathan's catch,
Speaker 1: the fish wriggles violently out of his grip. But instead
Speaker 1: of like falling straight down, this pike does some like
Speaker 1: some Greg Loue gainish ship, like arching out and away,
Speaker 1: flipping and rolling midair, and it hits the deck like thunder.
Speaker 1: Here's what, Here's what, here's what. This all sounds like
Speaker 1: Northern Northern pike right now. I don't know if most
Speaker 1: of y'all caught it, But in the last second you
Speaker 1: can hear the other angler just start to say grab
Speaker 1: him by the gills, which good advice. Too little, too late, man,
Speaker 1: that would have been that would have been a comment
Speaker 1: for about ten seconds prior. Yeah, yeah, he got a
Speaker 1: little lesson there. Anyway, Look, Nathan, we can't thank you
Speaker 1: enough for subjecting yourself to this. Um, everyone needs to
Speaker 1: go watch this on Instagram because it's just thirty eight
Speaker 1: seconds of awesome. I give Nathan a follow while you're there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: please follow the guy. It's also kind of relatable, right
Speaker 1: because how many times have you been out with with
Speaker 1: all your fancy gear and like all your ducks are
Speaker 1: in a row and the guy with the new combo
Speaker 1: and like three lures shows up and out fishes you
Speaker 1: or hooks the striper or steel head or whatever within
Speaker 1: two minutes. Um, do you know? Do you know how
Speaker 1: many gripping greens like I've posted in my life that
Speaker 1: have just been a immediately like oh, reempted by just chaos. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh dude, that's a thing. Like that's actually a thing
Speaker 1: in social media, like like flop pictures they call them, dude. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like where it's just like a blur in your hands
Speaker 1: and your face looks all up. Um, yeah, dude, that
Speaker 1: that happens all the time anyway, Nathan. Unfortunately, though, your
Speaker 1: torture isn't quite done yet, because we have to in
Speaker 1: keeping and keeping with the new world older here of
Speaker 1: of awkward moments. We have to give Hayden his roasting time.
Speaker 1: You have to have your room to roast. I don't
Speaker 1: like you. You say it as if it's something that
Speaker 1: I relish. Man, you can't. Well, you came up with it,
Speaker 1: so it's it's it's format better, bro. Yeah, well there
Speaker 1: you go. But anyway you have to do it, so
Speaker 1: hit us. What do you got some roast for this one? Yeah? Uh? Phil,
Speaker 1: ten seconds on the clock and begin. Dude looks like
Speaker 1: he just caught his first fish ever. Dude looks like
Speaker 1: he subscribes to birch box. Dude didn't drop the fish.
Speaker 1: The fish tried to jump to its death out of embarrassment.
Speaker 1: Dude looks like the guy who swears there are a
Speaker 1: couple of bull sharks in the lake. Dude looks like
Speaker 1: he read a survival article about how to start a
Speaker 1: fire by reeling against your drag. Dude looks like he
Speaker 1: refers to his rob for as his rig terrific that
Speaker 1: I'm caught between birch box and the bull. The bullshark
Speaker 1: one is quite brilliant. That was a good one. I
Speaker 1: give you props for that one. Um, Solid Rose, Solid Rose, Nathan,
Speaker 1: thanks again for me in such a good sport, man.
Speaker 1: I hope the purchase of that combo, regardless of it
Speaker 1: being maybe slightly too big, has fueled your love of fishing,
Speaker 1: and the inclusion of your video here hasn't changed any
Speaker 1: feelings you have about the sport. Everyone yeah, man, yeah man,
Speaker 1: drink everyone else, keep those awkward photos coming to Bent
Speaker 1: at the Meat Eater dot com or send them via
Speaker 1: d M, or do what Nathan did, put your awkward
Speaker 1: out there publicly for us to find with the help
Speaker 1: of those degenerate Angler and Bent podcast hashtags. I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna say it out loud. That was fun. That was fun.
Speaker 1: That was that was a really fun I feel a
Speaker 1: little bit. I feel a little bit bad, but uh yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah it was. I you know, I did give the
Speaker 1: guy fair warning. We did. We did, We asked, We
Speaker 1: asked for Nathan's permission. So it is what it is,
Speaker 1: um and you know, and this week we have a
Speaker 1: Q and a selection that that's kind of a fair
Speaker 1: warning as well to those looking to try their hand
Speaker 1: at that whole ice camping thing that you do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I love it and I think that a
Speaker 1: lot of folks should do it because it's like it's
Speaker 1: a good way to hang out with your buddies and
Speaker 1: spend all night fishing. Um, so it's not really like
Speaker 1: it is a warning, but it's more of a recommendation
Speaker 1: to like help you guys stay safe out there on
Speaker 1: the ice. What do you laughing at, Martini? You're not
Speaker 1: an idiot, you're not a gamblooning how more, you're a fisherman. Left,
Speaker 1: what's your imagine? Alright? So today on the bent Helpline, Uh,
Speaker 1: we have a question that kind of arrived by I guess.
Speaker 1: I guess organic means in the same way that Nathan
Speaker 1: Klump sort of did Kyle Katerine at Kyle Caterin. Uh,
Speaker 1: he slid into my d m s the other day
Speaker 1: when he saw a video of me doing like some
Speaker 1: ice fishing ice camp and stuff, and the picture that
Speaker 1: he commented on was one of like my flasher and
Speaker 1: then behind it a buddy heater He asks, how well
Speaker 1: do these work for keeping your feet a bit warmer?
Speaker 1: And are they easy to pack in and pack out? Now, Joe,
Speaker 1: I mean I know that you're already kind of like, well,
Speaker 1: why is this a question that we're gonna answer? And
Speaker 1: it's because it kind of started a larger conversation with
Speaker 1: Kyle and I about like safety issues, right. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know it seems like every year you find somebody who
Speaker 1: you know in the news, right, somebody who slept with
Speaker 1: like some sort of heater on and like ended up
Speaker 1: putting themselves in like a really dangerous spot or worse. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I mean, I look, I have a fair amount of
Speaker 1: experience with buddy heaters. I don't ice camp. So this one, this,
Speaker 1: this ball is much more in your court. Um, I'm
Speaker 1: actually not sure, Like I'm curious to myself to hear
Speaker 1: about what the sort of overnight safety issues would be.
Speaker 1: I'll tell I'll put it to you this way. I
Speaker 1: have burned a lot of expensive gore attax on buddy heaters,
Speaker 1: but beyond that, I have had no I've had no issues. Right, So, uh,
Speaker 1: Kyle and I end up talking about like what he
Speaker 1: would have to do if he wanted to use a
Speaker 1: buddy heater in a similar way to make sure that
Speaker 1: he stayed safe while he was doing it. Um to
Speaker 1: to clarify before you go on, you just mean using
Speaker 1: one in a pop up or shanny yah, using one
Speaker 1: in a pop up shelter specifically, for like overnight ice camping,
Speaker 1: got you okay? So long. So in other words, I
Speaker 1: think the question is then like while you're maybe sleeping
Speaker 1: verse wide awake and minding the heater, yes, got um.
Speaker 1: You know, first off, you need to assess like whatever
Speaker 1: risk you're personally comfortable with. You know, if like that
Speaker 1: makes you uncomfortable, then don't do it. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: like everybody should go out and like do this in
Speaker 1: this way, because like I don't want one of you
Speaker 1: guys to burn down your shanty and then sue me. Um.
Speaker 1: But when I do it, I do it this way.
Speaker 1: I make sure that I'm following first and foremost all
Speaker 1: the instructions on the body heater. Now, the body heater
Speaker 1: instructions do say that it's safe for indoor use, and
Speaker 1: people use them like this all the time. That said,
Speaker 1: it has a set of like rules that you ought
Speaker 1: to follow. Rule number one being like proximity, right you
Speaker 1: want to keep it. I think it's like six inches
Speaker 1: from the back, eighteen inches from the sides, eighteen inches
Speaker 1: from the front, and like thirty six inches above Like
Speaker 1: that's what you want, like the clearance to be all
Speaker 1: around your body heater. So that's like important for obvious reasons.
Speaker 1: You don't want to like start a fire, right. Um.
Speaker 1: The other thing it says is like keep it away
Speaker 1: from kids and pets. Like that's also like a very
Speaker 1: big deal, particularly if you're like sleeping in it. Um. Now,
Speaker 1: the thing that I get most concerned with, Joe is
Speaker 1: carbon monoxide, because that's like it's an odorless gas, and
Speaker 1: people call it the silent killer all the time. Right,
Speaker 1: So I always bring and j Siemens points to this
Speaker 1: and a lot of his ice camping videos, you always
Speaker 1: need to bring a carbon monoxide detector with you, and
Speaker 1: I suggest bringing two as just a redundant system. In fact,
Speaker 1: when I was talking to somebody recently about this on
Speaker 1: on the old Instagram, he mentioned that he was a
Speaker 1: he worked as an electrician for a long time, and
Speaker 1: if you don't have a redundant system, you might as
Speaker 1: well not have a system at all. Particition, when you're
Speaker 1: talking about, you know, I ice camping when it's like
Speaker 1: just cold as ship out, you never know when something's
Speaker 1: gonna malfunction. So the way that I like to do
Speaker 1: it is I have two detectors. I have one that's
Speaker 1: called a Knox carbon monoxide detector. And it's a fifty
Speaker 1: dollar thing. It's about the size of a smoke alarm,
Speaker 1: and it has a little screen on it, and that
Speaker 1: little screen shows you exactly like how much carbon monoxide
Speaker 1: has been detected. I took one and I put it
Speaker 1: by my card's exhaust and you can see that thing
Speaker 1: go from zero, which is where you always want it,
Speaker 1: and just climb all the way up. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's like parts per billion or parts per thousand,
Speaker 1: but it will give you several warnings. It'll it'll give
Speaker 1: you one when any carbon monoxide has been detected, and
Speaker 1: it will give you one when like you need to
Speaker 1: like get the hell out of wherever you are. So
Speaker 1: like that's like my primary one. I like it because
Speaker 1: it has a display. Then I got a twenty one
Speaker 1: in the same isle of Walmart where I got my
Speaker 1: power drill, and and I have that one in my
Speaker 1: shanty as well. Um, now, just one more note on these.
Speaker 1: You don't want to get them wet, and you don't
Speaker 1: want to get them too cold. Of course, that's like
Speaker 1: being taken care of, because the whole reason you have
Speaker 1: them is because you got a heat running right A
Speaker 1: lot of these shanties have these like mesh pockets throughout them,
Speaker 1: like around like the sides and stuff. And I always,
Speaker 1: I just every time I get a new shelter, I
Speaker 1: have two shelters. Um, I always just tuck both carbon
Speaker 1: monoxide alarms and two opposite ends, and I just leave
Speaker 1: them in my shanty and that is where they live forever.
Speaker 1: So this isn't like the most fun listener question. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's. It's informative. Yeah, I mean, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you right now, I have learned something that I never knew.
Speaker 1: I this is the first time in my life I've
Speaker 1: ever heard of carbon monoxide detectors as a piece of
Speaker 1: ice kids. And again that's that's probably because I've never
Speaker 1: overnighted on the ice anywhere. I mean, it's always been
Speaker 1: you know, a long day trip or whatever, and we've
Speaker 1: always had um, you know these heaters. Um, whether it's
Speaker 1: in a pop up or fixed shanny or you know, hardwood,
Speaker 1: whatever it may be. Uh, it's it's not something I've
Speaker 1: ever considered. And I don't know if that's if this
Speaker 1: is a tip that you know, should you always have one?
Speaker 1: Or is this specific to overnight because I just feel
Speaker 1: like in my experience on the ice using one of these, Man,
Speaker 1: that sucker will blast in there for twelve hours straight, right,
Speaker 1: But you're you're going in and out so much because
Speaker 1: you know, you get roasting hot, you go outside, you know,
Speaker 1: you hang out. You know, is it as useful in
Speaker 1: that scenario or is it? To me? It would be
Speaker 1: most critical if you were going to close that puppy
Speaker 1: up and be in there for a very long time
Speaker 1: without venting anything. So well that that is the other thing. Man,
Speaker 1: you never I'm glad you brought this up. When you
Speaker 1: are using any sort of heat source. I mean these
Speaker 1: body heaters again, like they have like shut offs if
Speaker 1: it's like if the oxygen levels are dropping. But you
Speaker 1: always always always want to have ventilation in your shelter,
Speaker 1: and you'll notice man um in like your for instance,
Speaker 1: like I have like the Eskimo big fish. That's why
Speaker 1: I fish out of a lot. There are these square
Speaker 1: flaps that come up towards the roof with like mestion them,
Speaker 1: and those those are made I believe, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think it's also for condensation, but I'm sure that that
Speaker 1: was in mind because they're exactly about what the recommended
Speaker 1: ventilation is like on the body heater instruction. So you
Speaker 1: know it's gonna get a couple degrees colder with that. Sure?
Speaker 1: Is it very important? Yes? So there you go, man.
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's that's solid info. Like I said,
Speaker 1: a little bit out of my world. But I learned
Speaker 1: something today. I accept I've said I never I never
Speaker 1: even would have considered that. Shame on me. You're also
Speaker 1: talking to a guy that had a really fancy raid
Speaker 1: On system in his house when he bought it, and
Speaker 1: the motor ran so loud that it kept me up
Speaker 1: at night, and and I just shut it off. I'm like,
Speaker 1: just shut it off. I'm not gonna die from raid
Speaker 1: On anyway. I'm gonna get letters about that now. But anyway,
Speaker 1: do the thing that Hayden said, if you're gonna be
Speaker 1: out there overnight, that's a that's a very good tip.
Speaker 1: And um, you know, hey, if you've got more questions,
Speaker 1: you know where to find us. Send him to bent
Speaker 1: at the meat eater dot com, hit us up on
Speaker 1: Instagram and maybe we will answer your safety or tackle
Speaker 1: or whatever question you might have here on the bent helpline.
Speaker 1: Well that's it for this week, General Anglers, Remember, you
Speaker 1: guys make this show as much as we make this show,
Speaker 1: So please keep those Q and as awkward moments, bar nominations,
Speaker 1: all that stuff we love coming in. Please. Yep, you
Speaker 1: can go ahead and send all of those two Bent
Speaker 1: at the meat eater dot com. That's our inbox, or
Speaker 1: get in touch with Joe and I on the old Instagram.
Speaker 1: Speaking of, keep using those degenerate Angler and Bent podcast
Speaker 1: hashtags so we can see what you're up to out
Speaker 1: on the water or I don't know how you're failing
Speaker 1: like Nathan. Yeah, it's not really fails a success. It's
Speaker 1: good for you, Nathan. Point is we see all of
Speaker 1: those tags. Hey, listen, good luck if you're getting out
Speaker 1: there this weekend. If you're trying to get lucky out
Speaker 1: there this weekend in a nice shanty. Mayor Craig Schubert
Speaker 1: is watching you and possibly videotaping to create more data points.