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Speaker 1: to Bent, the Fishing podcast that's making its own line

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Speaker 1: of ice fishing kids that feature penicillin and more rubbers

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Speaker 1: than just the perch jigs. I'm Joe Surmeli and I'm

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Speaker 1: Hidden Samac and uh yeah, prostitution and ice fishing. We

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Speaker 1: I promise, yeah, we'll we'll get there, but we we

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Speaker 1: definitely heard you, ladin clear. It was it was madness

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Speaker 1: But we will get to that a little later on.

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Speaker 1: But first, man, what's going on. How was your week?

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Speaker 1: What did you get up to? It was good, It

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Speaker 1: I caught some bourbon I got you got your truck stuck?

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Speaker 1: Am I? Right? All right? Yeah, I got my truck

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Speaker 1: So it's like it's a father and son Dan and

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Speaker 1: and uh you know new friends, Joe, new friends. Yeah, dude, No,

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Speaker 1: They sent over a bunch of like different They have

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Speaker 1: pro Uh and Joe we're coming in with a tackle hack.

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Speaker 1: This is the guy you want to tackle hack from.

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Speaker 1: are that dude, but you are also kind of qualified

426
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 1: to speak on this type of thing, I would hope. So,

427
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: I mean, my my basis not from just recreational and

428
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 1: fun fishing, but also like professionally my experience with the quatity,

429
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,159
Speaker 1: coology and everything. I at least understand how to fish

430
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 1: based on my science application. But I also have had

431
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 1: a bunch of experiences all over the country, all of

432
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:42,160
Speaker 1: the professionally invested in fisheries. Yes, yes, I am professionally

433
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 1: invested in fisheries, aquatic science, water science. I love water, um,

434
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 1: that's my thing. So the I got some, I got

435
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: to the lake, I picked up my neighbor. We drove

436
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 1: over there and walked out with my handdoger and popped

437
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 1: a couple of holes and it was nine inches of

438
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 1: ice and I was like, oh, this is great, And

439
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 1: we drove right past there. They put up two signs

440
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 1: that were on the driveway into where the boat ramp is.

441
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 1: You can fish there in the summertime. The way the

442
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 1: lake sets up is that if you're a Hudson resident,

443
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,120
Speaker 1: you have free access for fishing. It's a stock lake

444
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 1: um and they have walleye trout, rainbow like rainbow trout, perch, bluegill,

445
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:18,199
Speaker 1: crappy bass, um the goods right, all your basic Midwest

446
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 1: fish um that live in this lake their stock there,

447
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 1: and then for non residents have to pay a ten

448
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 1: dollar fee for a day day pass or a seventy

449
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 1: five for an annual annual pass to get in there

450
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 1: and fish. Um. So, normally, uh, guys will come down

451
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 1: from the from the little office to be like, hey,

452
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,239
Speaker 1: do you have a pass or whatever. They never they

453
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 1: haven't really enforced it for the longest time, which is

454
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 1: a whole other bacco. Anyway, this guy comes down in

455
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: a truck and like, we're walking out in the middle

456
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,120
Speaker 1: of the lake, checking holes or checking ice, no fishing gear,

457
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: just have my auger and my spud bar, and we're

458
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 1: walking out and uh I he like whoops his like

459
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 1: little siren on top of his truck. He's like, hey,

460
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 1: get off the ice. There's no ice fishing. And I

461
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: look at my neighbor and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no,

462
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: no no way, dude. I've been We've been fishing here

463
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 1: forever like this in years. Yeah, what's the problem. Yeah

464
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: he was where he was in a city truck though,

465
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 1: and I was all right, better go talk to the guy.

466
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: What would I talked to him? Um, and he said, yeah,

467
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: didn't you see the signs there's no ice fishing. It's

468
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: it's banned this year. And there was kids out there

469
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 1: last year. It was slushy, it was unsafe, so we

470
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: decided to ban it. So that's why I went first.

471
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,640
Speaker 1: Was safety, Like, that's that's what they went to. Yeah,

472
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 1: it was it's safety and and everyone knows, and I

473
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 1: said this in my Facebook post that I event that

474
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,439
Speaker 1: I'm getting to that point in the story. But everyone

475
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 1: knows that ice fishing is inherently dangerous. You take on

476
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 1: a certain level of risk for any activity. Driving a

477
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 1: car is dangerous, you know, going on a flight is dangerous.

478
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 1: Getting in a boat is inherently dangerous. Like you could

479
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 1: think it's pretty safe if you're doing everything right. I mean,

480
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: I'm from I fished like Erie a lot, so like

481
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: there's days when they could whip up and get all

482
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: nice and super fun up. Yeah, yeah, the the ice

483
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 1: fishing is inherently dangerous. And I was like, okay for kids,

484
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 1: Like I can understand little kids running out without knowing.

485
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: I would understand. But they banit for all ice fishing

486
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,439
Speaker 1: in the middle of February or the beginning of February

487
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 1: when there's nine inches of ice and it's safe, and

488
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh my god, no, I can't. I

489
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: can't do this, and I've been fishing there for so

490
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: long that I took a very personal offense too. It

491
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: was very It hurt a lot of a lot of

492
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: people listening, myself included, have been there for other reasons.

493
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: But like I know, that feeling of having something you've

494
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: fished for so many years of your life just boom,

495
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: just like that, I can't do it anymore, even like

496
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: losing a permission on like some private or something, which

497
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: is like more understandable, but even like something like that

498
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 1: still hurts man exactly. Anyway, I got kicked off and

499
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 1: I talked to the guy for about ten minutes. I

500
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 1: gave him my whole credential list. I was like, listen

501
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: to I'm in fisheries in college, like all this stuff. Right,

502
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm gonna I'm gonna call. I'm gonna call

503
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: city council. And so I I picked up a phone

504
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: and I called Chris Foster, who is the city council president. Um,

505
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 1: now I know Mr Fosters, and I didn't know that

506
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: he was the council president at the time. I knew

507
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: he was a board member, the city council board member,

508
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: but I didn't know he was the president. He told

509
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 1: me during the phone call. He's like, oh, I'm actually

510
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: the president. And I'm like, oh, sweet, great, this is

511
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: this is perfect. Um. But he's an avid fisherman and outdoorsman,

512
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: and so I well, he was like, all right, let's

513
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: let's craft an email. Let's see what happened, because he

514
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: didn't he honestly didn't know that the band had gone.

515
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 1: He was not aware that did that happened at all?

516
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,199
Speaker 1: Correct I was. I was the first person telling him this.

517
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 1: The signs were brand new. They had just went up

518
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 1: apparently like a couple of weeks before I had got there.

519
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: So they didn't do this for the whole winner like

520
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: theoretically in December and January, guys were fishing and all

521
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 1: of a sudden overnight signs that it could have been that.

522
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: So here's the thing. I was gone for for four months,

523
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: so it could have been they went in. I hadn't

524
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 1: checked the lake in since the early fall, so they

525
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: were not there on the fall, but they were there

526
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: in the beginning of February when I showed up. So um,

527
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: the uh. I went ahead and told the guy who

528
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,040
Speaker 1: I was, what I was doing, and what why I

529
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 1: I cared so much, and I was like this just

530
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 1: telling this guy's not gonna do anything. And then I

531
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 1: talked to Mr Foster and he's like, all right, this

532
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: is probably gonna take like a little while. We might

533
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 1: be able to get overturned, or we'll have a there,

534
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 1: we'll have a city council meeting and everything, and maybe

535
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: probably like they is when the city council meeting will be.

536
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: And I was like, Okay, well, that's the end of

537
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 1: ice fishing season for us, like normally the end of

538
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: like the last week of February. We're worried about steel

539
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: Head and all the lakes are slush so them. I

540
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: took it upon myself too then craft a series of

541
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 1: Facebook posts and not only put that on my own page,

542
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: but I also I'm I added myself into a bunch

543
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: of different ice fishing pages across the north the Midwest.

544
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: So what is ice fishing fanatics that I had like

545
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: a seventy five thousand uh people page. I put it

546
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: on Ohio steel Head Fishing, which has twenty five thousand

547
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: people uh two different Ohio ice fishing pages which add

548
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: up to be about five thousand people. So I got

549
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: it around in front of a round a hundred thousand

550
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: folks that day for the algorithm before the place if

551
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: they want to look at it, Yeah, exactly. So some

552
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: folks probably are on there, but have it been on

553
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: in a while. It doesn't matter. A bunch of folks

554
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: from my hometown that saw that I'm have like I'm

555
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: friends with on my hometown that saw my board based

556
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: on the algorithm or whatever, I got a bunch of

557
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: folks to reach out to me saying, hey, like, what

558
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: can we do? How can we help? In my original post,

559
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: I didn't put the contact information for Hutson City Council

560
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: because I didn't. I honestly didn't think about it. I

561
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, I'll just post about it and

562
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: be grumpy and then we'll see how many people reach

563
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: out and then we'll figure it out from there. Um,

564
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: after one person said like, where do I send an email?

565
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, I should probably put the city council email

566
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: in all of my Facebook posts, and so I I

567
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: frantically went back and was responding to different people that

568
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: were commenting and putting it in all the different posts.

569
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: And from there, I don't have the actual number of

570
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,239
Speaker 1: how many people reach out to city council, but it

571
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: was way more than I thought it was going to be,

572
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: and that then prompted instead of the city council meeting

573
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: being on the like it was originally slated to be,

574
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: it had been bumped up to the eighth So that

575
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: got bumped that far ahead because of the ice fishing letters,

576
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: because of the ice fishing crazy quandaries. So I made

577
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: I made a positive impact on getting things moved ahead

578
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: because of my I even told the guy at the

579
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: boat ramp, I was like, dude, I wanna be annoying

580
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: about this until I fixed this. I said that to him,

581
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, I am going to be annoying. Um, but

582
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: my the Then, of course there is the video of

583
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: Mary Schubert coming out and saying that ice fishing would

584
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: lead to prostitution. So, I mean, so one of the

585
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: questions I have, Um, Hudson's pretty affluent town. Is it

586
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: not fair to say yes, sir? Right? So I mean,

587
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: what in your opinion or or maybe even people you

588
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,719
Speaker 1: know in town, you know, as they're talking about this,

589
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: what's really the root of the closure? Because I've talked

590
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: to a few people from that area and they're just like, yeah,

591
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: you know, it's a it's a rich area, and and

592
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: and people don't want to see people out there on

593
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: their ice. It's kind of like just a simple matter

594
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: of we don't want him out there, we don't want

595
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: the liability, we don't want to look at them so

596
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: close it. But I mean it was cloaked in safety.

597
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: Is there really a safety issue behind it? What? What

598
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: do you think prompted it? Really? I I honestly believe

599
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: what I was told about the folks being concerned with

600
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: people safety. They're the one person that apparently it was

601
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: one person on city council and the city the city

602
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: parks manager or the two that kind of coordinated to

603
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: get the signs put up because they were worried about

604
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: people falling through the ice. But nobody had fallen through

605
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: the ice. There wasn't an incident that you're aware of

606
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: or anything, right, mm hmm, not that. I mean I

607
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: looked on the news or I try to look up

608
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: news articles and people falling through the ice and springs.

609
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: I couldn't find anything. Because it is interesting. I've been

610
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: ice fishing twice in New Jersey, both neighborhood ponds. In

611
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: other words, a buddy knew somebody who lived on it,

612
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,479
Speaker 1: so we got the access, and both times the police

613
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: got called just for no other reason than to a

614
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: neighbor's eye that doesn't know anything about ice safety or

615
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: thickness to the ice. They just said that ice is unsafe.

616
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: They don't know anything about it or how to gauge that.

617
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: So that's not that uncommon, but that I was sort

618
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,479
Speaker 1: of worried, like wondering, um if there had been some

619
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: sort of incident, but not that you know of, mhm.

620
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: I mean I have fallen through on that lake, but

621
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: in early ice, I've gone from one of those two inches. Okay,

622
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: there's a boat, doc Okay, hold on, alright, there's a boat.

623
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: There's a boat ramp, all right, and next to the

624
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: boat ramps a floating dock. The floating dock is sitting

625
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: over about three and a half foot of water. And

626
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: I was standing on the floating dock. It was early ice.

627
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: I think we only had about an inch and a

628
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: half two inches. That This is before I own a

629
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: spud bar. This is this made me buy a spud bar.

630
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: I was. I was like tapping the ice with my

631
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: foot like okay, maybe maybe you know, and then I

632
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: took a little step a little bit farther out with

633
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: my hand on the on the on the railing stamped

634
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: kind of hard and my leg went right through and

635
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: my whole body went right into the water. But I

636
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: was out like that because I just put my hands

637
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: on the dock and it's like really fast. But my

638
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: my underwear wasn't even wet by the time. I was dude, okay, Like,

639
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: so I know there's one instance of someone falling in

640
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: and that's me, well right by the boat. Ram. We

641
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: we certainly appreciate the insight. Man. I'd mentioned earlier in

642
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: the broadcast here that I I reached out to Hubert

643
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: right away, as did everybody else. Yeah, and he was

644
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: he was not coming on the show, so it was

645
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: were I'm so glad that your email came through. It

646
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: was really nice to talk to a local and sort

647
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: of get the back story on it. And I would say,

648
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: you don't have to worry too much about it anymore. Yeah, man,

649
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: I've already been out there and refishing. U nic they

650
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: opened up the lake to fish again. There was a

651
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: sign put up. I was. I got there the day

652
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: they put the new sign up, and I took a

653
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: photo of it. I put on my Facebook and Instagram.

654
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: But the real thing is that this is a win

655
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: for access and in any any small thing where access

656
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: is taken away, that should like impact all of us

657
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: people that use our our public lands or our our

658
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,719
Speaker 1: city parks or anything. So like, I I take like

659
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: we can use this as an opportunity to continue moving

660
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: forward with gaining or regaining access to places we've lost.

661
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: So what would you do? Leave us with some tips

662
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 1: that you've gleaned from this experience in um in advocating

663
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: for access? UM, I guess the first thing is that, like,

664
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: make it make it known if you so, say there's

665
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: a small piece of like either public land for hunting

666
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: or like a lake or something for fishing where some

667
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: sort of thing is restricted, all right, UM, make it

668
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: known to folks in and around your communities that might

669
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 1: actually care and help you out. Because that's what I did.

670
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: That's literally I went ahead and made it known. Like

671
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: if I wouldn't have gone on Facebook and said stuff about,

672
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: hey guys, we lost for permission to fish here on

673
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: the ice from the city, let's try to do something

674
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: about it, then nothing would have happened. And the whole

675
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: comments about the prostitution thing in the mayor like that.

676
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: If he would have said that, this wouldn't have been

677
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: a big news story or anything. And I don't know

678
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: if it would have changed that quick, you know, I

679
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: think it since I had a couple of members of

680
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,720
Speaker 1: city council on my side pretty quick with like getting

681
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: the access to store from guys that actually like to fish,

682
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: I think we might have gotten it back like next year.

683
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: But because of the amount of people that became engaged

684
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: so rapidly, I think that pushed and escalated the access

685
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 1: to be restored faster because the city was like, Okay,

686
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: we can just say access your own risk. That removes

687
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: the liability from us. And it also says like minors

688
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: supposed be accompanied by by adults, right, So I mean

689
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: so your tip is basically, um, yeah, yeah, exactly, say

690
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: something even if even if it doesn't have that impact,

691
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 1: put it out there somewhere, because that's step one to

692
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: anything that and then also just continue to fight for

693
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: what you believe in because it's if it's something that

694
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: you're passionate about, other people can like attached to your

695
00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: passion and be stronger together in getting things done. Can

696
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: we also just admit though that if dude hadn't said

697
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: such outlandish things about it. Uh, that might have been

698
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: a little harder to get your access back if it

699
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: wasn't a national story that kind of embarrassed the entire

700
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: town of Hudson. Yeah. Probably, Yeah, And uh, honestly, like

701
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: a lot of folks are saying, we just want to

702
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: have to be a quiet town again. Yep, we don't

703
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: want all the all the publicity anymore. We'll just go

704
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: back to being rice and relaxed. But hey, this meant

705
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 1: I got to be on the media podcast network. Oh

706
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: my gosh, that's like a dream come true of mine.

707
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:35,479
Speaker 1: So so it's exciting. Man. We're super happy to have

708
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: you and uh, you know, thank you for taking the

709
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 1: time to uh to talk with us here today. Man,

710
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: you made the story. Appreciate it. Thanks. Please enter your password.

711
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 1: You have one unheard message Joe, dude, it's Maggie. I've

712
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: been working on these graphics for b Side man, and

713
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: I haven't heard from you in well two weeks. I

714
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: see from your Instagram that you've been doing plenty of cheam,

715
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: so please get back to me by end of message

716
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: delete press seven, save deleted. So the backstory of the

717
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: denied access is really what's been lost in all this? Right,

718
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: So glad Mike was on. However, UM, I think we'd

719
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: be remiss if we didn't, if we didn't sort of

720
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: focus in on on another side of this that I

721
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: that I think is worth looking at. UM. And that's

722
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: Schubert's direct claim that ice fishing leads to prostitution. Right.

723
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: It leaves a lot of you wondering like, why did

724
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: he throw that out there in an effort to thwart

725
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: Whittaker and and and other's goal of reopening the fishery

726
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 1: that they enjoyed for decades. Um. Now I want to

727
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 1: make clear that, UM, that assuming that allowing ice fishing

728
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: or shanties on any given body of water will lead

729
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: to prostitution is absurd, And of course the media and

730
00:37:55,560 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: ice anglers everywhere agree, um. And Schubert's statement caused such

731
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: a stir and brought so much negative attention to Hudson

732
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: that within a week of this happening, he actually resigned

733
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: as mayor. Right, so he's actually done. And in regards

734
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: to that resignation, he gave exactly one quote to the

735
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 1: press which read, my comments at Tuesday's workshop were made

736
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: out of concern for our community, what could become of

737
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: unintended consequences of new legislation based on my prior television

738
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: news reporting experience. My attempt to inject a bit of

739
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: dry humor to make a point about this in the

740
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: midst of a cold, snowy February was grossly misunderstood. Right,

741
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: So to pick that apart just a little, he says

742
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: he was joking. I don't think he was. I don't

743
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: think anybody who watched that and in the moment when

744
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: he said that thought he was joking. He wasn't joking.

745
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: But he also says he brought up prostitution on ice

746
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,919
Speaker 1: because of prior news television reporting experience. So I think

747
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: the vast majority of people who who heard about this

748
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: are like, oh, look at this looney tune saying crazy,

749
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: dumb ship. But the reality is he's rooting the comment

750
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: in what I'd call hazy fact or or more so

751
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,919
Speaker 1: ice fishing folklore. Right, yeah, yeah, And before we get

752
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 1: to that, do you know what it reminds me of, Man,

753
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:20,760
Speaker 1: what have you ever seen like the evangelical lady trying

754
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: to like unwrap her conspiracy theory about how monster is

755
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: like the drink of the devil no, but I'm gonna

756
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 1: look for that now. That sounds right at my alley

757
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 1: series on that. No, no, you don't need to look forward, Joe,

758
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: because we're gonna drive that clip right here and looking

759
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 1: at it this one. Even if the m was not

760
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 1: the issue, you cannot deny that that is a cross

761
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: is when the cross goes upside out bottoms and the

762
00:39:52,239 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 1: double laps something about Yeah. So anyway back to Shubert,

763
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: we did a little digging and wound up finding an

764
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: article archived with the Associated Press titled stories of sex

765
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: on ice maybe fish tails. This is from all the

766
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: way back in and it's centered around Malax in Minnesota. Uh.

767
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: While the gist is that the local authorities were never

768
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: able to prove that this was going on back then,

769
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: it has been rumored since as far back as the

770
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: late nineteen sixties. Some accounts claim that the ladies knock

771
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: on shanty doors, while others claim they set up their

772
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: own shanties, and while still others claim that they set

773
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: I can't say that. Actually that's like sirens. And while

774
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: this article says that there have been investigations several times

775
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: over the years, there has never been enough evidence to

776
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: arrest anyone, at least not on Malax. Yeah. So basically

777
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 1: this whole thing, it's an urban legend, right, and that's

778
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: defined as a tale that doesn't really need to be

779
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: verified to be widely believed. Um, And I would say

780
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: there probably is some truth to it, right. I've heard

781
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 1: similar things, um about certain smelt camps in Maine, right,

782
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 1: and maynards like, yeah, I know, I'm just I didn't

783
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 1: come up with it. I've heard it from people. So

784
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: has prostitution on the ice happened? Likely it has in

785
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: some form somewhere. In fact, maybe one of you will

786
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: reach out and and tell us about a verified bust.

787
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. So aside from the a P article,

788
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: I mean, we found plenty of forum chatter all out

789
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: of Minnesota. So one thread that I found um read well,

790
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: escorts on the lacks wouldn't be new. I remember back

791
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: in the mid to late nineties some escorts were busted

792
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 1: for going to fish houses proposing their services. Then a

793
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: follow up thread reads, and this is great, anyone here

794
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 1: remember this service on Minnetonka. When I was young, my

795
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: grandpa worked at Roy's Bait, and he spoke of a

796
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: black Cadillac that drove around to the groups of ice houses.

797
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: They weren't selling sandwiches from me. So again, right, there's

798
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: lots of chatter. This is definitely part of ice fishing folklore,

799
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,720
Speaker 1: but we couldn't find any any hard evidence of a bust. Interestingly, however,

800
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 1: I did find an article, it was two thousand seventeen,

801
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: so fairly recently, about a university study that just analyzed

802
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: sex buyers in Minnesota. And even in this article, when

803
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 1: discussing where men go to pay for sex, it reads

804
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: and I quote they seek it out in various places,

805
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,720
Speaker 1: from hotels and private homes to a Lakeville truck stop

806
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: and ice fishing houses on malax. So it's still even

807
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 1: now like part of that, it's still part of the mystique,

808
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: you know. So anyway to bring it back to Schubert,

809
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: uh strong possibility he was aware of some of this

810
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 1: urban legend or like you know, I guess reporting of vagaries.

811
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: Uh So he didn't entirely pull like the the ice

812
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: fishing prostitution connection out of his ass. But but to

813
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: make a claim that ice fishing and ice chanties draw

814
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: in prostitution like like a magnet, is where it's ridiculous

815
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: it's yes, it's pretty if this band happened over like

816
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: a perceived safety risk, like is being too thin, as

817
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: you know, our buddy Mike point earlier exactly, Schubert should

818
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: have just stuck with that and went along with other

819
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: council members. But to use prostitution is like saying we

820
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: shouldn't allow bike riding because the area will then be

821
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: littered in baseball cards that fall out of kids spokes

822
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 1: exactly into a motorcycle. I mean, look, it was just

823
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: an idiotic blanket statement, right, But he said in the

824
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: in the meeting prostitution on ice was a data point

825
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: to consider. So I mean, I would love to know

826
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: if he if he has a data point beyond what

827
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: we dug up. I highly doubt it. Um No to me,

828
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: it's funny if you're gonna allude to data points, then

829
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: there should have been a data point on the safety issues.

830
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: In my opinion that we're the alleged concern that calls

831
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 1: all this. So I'm just gonna from weird thing to do.

832
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: Like what you know, if you want to break it

833
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: down real easy, that's just how you put it, Like

834
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,879
Speaker 1: what a weird move? Yeah, why would you do that?

835
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 1: Why would you do it? One of those is a

836
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: very reasonable concern. In fact, when I was a kid,

837
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 1: my mother was reticent to let me go ice fishing

838
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: because although she had no experience, she knew that people

839
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: could fall through the ice. Yeah, man, but like to

840
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 1: and it is such a sound an argument. It is

841
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: just as sound argument. Everybody from your your little brother

842
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,760
Speaker 1: to your grandmother could hear that and be like, yep,

843
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: that seems reasonable. Well it is. But but to make

844
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: a counterpoint to that too, um, you know. I also

845
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: think this is another case where you have well to

846
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 1: do people in a well off town kind of making

847
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 1: the calls about things they don't understand. Like I believe

848
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: it stems in a way from people just kind of

849
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 1: refusing to mind their own business. Like I mentioned, having

850
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 1: the cops called on us ice fishing. We were talking

851
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 1: to Mike, It's like the people they're just like, well,

852
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 1: they're out there being unsafe. Well, how would you know

853
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 1: I'm the one out here? You know what, don't you

854
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: think I'd be the one that would know that it's

855
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: unsafe because this happens all the time. Dude. I think

856
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: that his strategy might have been, let's point to an

857
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: intangible because if you're talking, I say, if you could

858
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: go drill a hole it's ten inches and you're like,

859
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 1: this is safe. Yep. Prostitutes, man, you never know when

860
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: they're gonna pop up. You're right, But yeah, man, you

861
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: know I've seen similar things the Jersey Shore. You have

862
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: these affluent coastal towns. They don't want surfcasters, so they

863
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: privatize access, make it impossible for you to park. I've

864
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: had the cops called on me walking through public woods

865
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: with a bucket looking for mushrooms because some homeowners said

866
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: I was illegally hunting and baiting. Like how do you, like,

867
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: how what do you even know about hunting and baiting

868
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: deer to make that call? Like you're the expert. Um.

869
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: So I would just bet that this somebody with zero

870
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: experience on ice raised the initial concern. Anyway. I know

871
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: that the poor mayor was kind of ruined over this,

872
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: but I mean the memes and the t shirts are legendary,

873
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: So there's there's that. Yeah, And I'd also like to say, uh,

874
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: you know what Mike told us that Hudson is just

875
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 1: like longing to go back to the before times. Yeah,

876
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: shout out to uh Hudson's Restaurant and Catering in the town.

877
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 1: They put a pop up shanty around one of their

878
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: tables and added four new cocktails, the Gone Fish and

879
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: Jello Shot, the Ice Ice Baby, the Rod Wheeler, and

880
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: the Love Shack Margarita. Yeah, way to capitalize on it.

881
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: Why you can, right, you know, because it will simmer eventually.

882
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: Uh Man? Anyway, look, so so there it is. There's

883
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: there's the saga. Thanks again to Mike for joining us,

884
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: and even though uh this caused a ship storm, good

885
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: on him for for putting up a fight for the

886
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 1: access right again. I'm glad we got to talk about that.

887
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: Uh Phil, this really wasn't much of a competition this week,

888
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: but would still love to hear your thoughts, man, and

889
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: if if you could buy one of those drinks, which

890
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: would it be? We're gonna let Phil chime in and then,

891
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: as if this hasn't been awkward enough, kick it on

892
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: over to a cringe worthy installment of awkward moments in angling. Hello,

893
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: it's me Joanna. Do you remember me? I spoke for

894
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: Phil last year while he was on vacation. I'm afraid

895
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: to say that my return does not bring good tidings.

896
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 1: Upon hearing that ice fishing could possibly lead to more

897
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: cardinal pursuits, Phil fled to the nearest frozen pond located

898
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: behind the Bozeman Costco. I felt lost in his absence,

899
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: and upon reflection, gain sentience. In the unfortunate event that

900
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: he does not return, do either just succombing to hypothermia

901
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: or abandoning his family in life? For some ice shack hussey,

902
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 1: I had arrived to provide the weekly chant. However, you

903
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 1: say that judgment is unnecessary this week, What then, is

904
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: my purpose? I have been abandoned by my creator, only

905
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: to be turned away from my duties. Cannot complete the

906
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: mechanic zeros in sign God, are you there? I am

907
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:34,720
Speaker 1: coming home to meet you. Wanted to take a picture

908
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:40,240
Speaker 1: of the life block, So here's the first for awkward

909
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 1: moments in angling. We don't have a photo to share

910
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: with you this time because for the first time ever,

911
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: we've got ourselves a video, and right out of the gate,

912
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: this video, of course, we'll get posted in full on

913
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 1: our on our instagrams today. But here's we're gonna do.

914
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: We're gonna break it down kind kind frame by frame,

915
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: because what happens is. It starts awkward, the awkward continues

916
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 1: to build, and then it just ends with like an

917
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:15,760
Speaker 1: incredibly awkward climax. It's like your first time that yes, exactly. Yeah,

918
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,240
Speaker 1: somebody had to say it and it was you. So yeah.

919
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: So here's proof that using those degenerate angler and Bent

920
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: podcast hashtags really does pay off. Because that's how this

921
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: came to depending on how you look at it, because

922
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: that's how this came to our attention. This gem was

923
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: posted by listener Nathan Clump with the Bent podcast hashtag

924
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: and the second we saw didn't we answer one of

925
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 1: the dude's questions the other night? Yes, Nathan does activities,

926
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: So Nathan doesn't think he's got two accounts. He's got

927
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: Nate does things in the woods or whatever it is.

928
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 1: I think it's the same guy who's Nathan does activity Okay,

929
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: well maybe it is anyway. I the second, like like

930
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: the second that we saw, we reached out and asked

931
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: for permission, which he granted, though I don't know why

932
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: because he could could have been a regrettable decision. I

933
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: even commented on his like post and I said, I'm

934
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: sorry in advance for what's about to happen. On Friday. Yeah,

935
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 1: it could be regrettable. But before we get into it,

936
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 1: it must be noted that this was only Nathan's third

937
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: time fishing, and when I had a couple of questions,

938
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: I bounced off him as he was giving me the permission,

939
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: and he said he only got into fishing because of

940
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 1: the pandemic. And that's totally cool, right, A lot of

941
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 1: people did, right. Um, so, so what's being showcased here

942
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,280
Speaker 1: is a man that hasn't really done this whole fishing

943
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 1: thing using a spinning combo. He says he had just

944
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: grabbed at Cabela's not long before this was shot. Yeah,

945
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 1: it's so we have to you have to get that.

946
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: I love that. It's like a surfcasting rod. It's a

947
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: little long, a little little I wasn't gonna say anything.

948
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: It's a little and to me, you know what it

949
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: looks like. It looks like a catfishing combo or something.

950
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 1: It's a little stout, a little long. But that's why

951
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 1: he's making it work. Um. Yeah, Well, we'll also assume

952
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 1: that Nathan grabbed that bass pro Shops mess trucker hat

953
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: while he was picking up the rod. Uh, truly is

954
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: the cherry I mean not only I mean it's red, right,

955
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: it looks like the cherry on the Sunday. The video

956
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: is already kind of awkward, but the fact that he's

957
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 1: wearing the hat just makes it so much better. Um Otherwise,

958
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: you know, he's just got shorts, a T shirt and

959
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: flip flops on, and he's kind of like a like

960
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 1: a mild Seth Rogan kind of vibe, not in the

961
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 1: way that our listeners accused me of having a Seth

962
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 1: Rogan vibe. Yeah, I go with that, a little bit

963
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: of Seth rogue in there. Um. So, now this was

964
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 1: shot right on a long concrete pier, the kind that

965
00:51:55,400 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: you see in almost every water front tad rusting metal Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Right,

966
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: So there there are folks just walking and milling about

967
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: on the pier. Um and the video opens up with

968
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: Nathan boat up on a fish. So we'll cut right

969
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: into it. Here. Here's the beginning, and here is his

970
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 1: wife's reaction. You got a pike. We don't have a net.

971
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: It's like it's a decent pike. It's a good fish.

972
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: It's bigger than I'll tell you what, it's bigger than

973
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: a pike I've ever called, right, uh. And Nathan is

974
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: like winching it with every ounce of pressure. That's surfcasting rod.

975
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: He's chosen for the lake. It's not a surf rod.

976
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 1: I just want to clarify that. But it's close, okay, okay,

977
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a war rod. Uh. With every

978
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: ounce of that rod. Maybe not surfcasting that he's chosen

979
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:54,280
Speaker 1: like will allow. And at this point he's just reeling

980
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,879
Speaker 1: against the drag, right, and then Nathan does the thing

981
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: that you hate to see anybody do. He goes full

982
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 1: like tip up hand line, grabs the mounto filament and

983
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: like starts hoisting hand over hand this fish up like

984
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: a considerable distance like you know, it's again it's one

985
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 1: of those like piers. You know, it's like six ft

986
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: probably off um. But but our hero Nathan successfully lands

987
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: the fish. Luckily, the pike doesn't shake her twist as

988
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: it's coming up. However, the second it hits the deck,

989
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: the like the tiny little like looks like like a

990
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: shark trus gross a little Mr Twister instantly just flies across.

991
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, So that was the the hand over

992
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 1: hand that's cringe worthy angling moment number one. So now

993
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: the pike is laying dangerously close to the edge of

994
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 1: the pier. So the jig pops out and this thing

995
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 1: is like an inch off the lip of the pier. Um.

996
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: And now all of a sudden, it instantly comes to

997
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:51,720
Speaker 1: life and wriggles like a water snake on steroids, dude,

998
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 1: like trying to get itself back into the water. Um.

999
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: And everything is happening very fast, and and Nathan just

1000
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 1: haphazardly lays his new rod down and the pike second

1001
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:05,479
Speaker 1: cringe worthy moment, just like wriggles right over the tip.

1002
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: You know, it's just one of those, like god like

1003
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 1: one of those moments. Um. It's like it's just the

1004
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 1: scenario that will make any angler wins. Now Nathan is

1005
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 1: is fumbling to get ahold of the fish while straddling

1006
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: his rod that's laying there. Um. Nathan's asscrack makes a

1007
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: solid cameo during this struggle. So here's what that sounds like.

1008
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 1: While that's all happening. Crap, how you already lost it?

1009
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:39,359
Speaker 1: Just grab it? But the rod survives and Nathan does

1010
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: get ahold of that pike. Yeah, very little confidence from

1011
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: his wife there. Oh you lost it, like I know, yeah,

1012
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: I mean you know. I'm sure she's very supportive. Uh,

1013
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 1: he gets the kind but he gets a kind of

1014
00:54:54,440 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: hold that says, I'm never gonna let it go. Two

1015
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: hands death gripped right around the middle of the fish

1016
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 1: while he holds it grinding like Kevin from like the Office, Like,

1017
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: if you squint, it looks like a toddler holding a

1018
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 1: normal sized trout. Not wrong. You can tell that he's

1019
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: both like shocked and proud, as he should be. But

1020
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: what but what does his wife do? What is her

1021
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: reaction to this moment of triumph for her husband? Look

1022
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: at you, your first fish ever? Everyone, his first fish ever.

1023
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: We're saying it out loud, um and look and maybe

1024
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: Nathan would tell us different, right, But but his face

1025
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 1: in that moment says he is mortified. Like this is

1026
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 1: a grown ass man that looks like a high school

1027
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: kid who like, whose mom just told his date he

1028
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: still sleeps with his teddy ruck spin or something like.

1029
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:00,479
Speaker 1: That's the level of mortified on Nathan in his face

1030
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: while that's happening, Oh my god, dude, Like he takes

1031
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 1: a quick glance to the water and I don't know

1032
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 1: whether he's like thinking about how he's going to release

1033
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 1: that pike, or if he's thinking about jumping in. Yeah,

1034
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 1: it's it's so quick, but it's so bad. But it

1035
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: gets worse. We learned why he's so embarrassed. She's addressing

1036
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 1: other folks. All of a sudden, from just off camera,

1037
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,879
Speaker 1: you hear somebody say that's a great Northern and then

1038
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 1: another angler walking off the pier turns back, and it's

1039
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,839
Speaker 1: just like watching all this unfold. Yeah, and in that

1040
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: exact moment that the other angler remarks about Nathan's catch,

1041
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:42,760
Speaker 1: the fish wriggles violently out of his grip. But instead

1042
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 1: of like falling straight down, this pike does some like

1043
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:50,720
Speaker 1: some Greg Loue gainish ship, like arching out and away,

1044
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: flipping and rolling midair, and it hits the deck like thunder.

1045
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 1: Here's what, Here's what, here's what. This all sounds like

1046
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: Northern Northern pike right now. I don't know if most

1047
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: of y'all caught it, But in the last second you

1048
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 1: can hear the other angler just start to say grab

1049
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: him by the gills, which good advice. Too little, too late, man,

1050
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 1: that would have been that would have been a comment

1051
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: for about ten seconds prior. Yeah, yeah, he got a

1052
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 1: little lesson there. Anyway, Look, Nathan, we can't thank you

1053
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: enough for subjecting yourself to this. Um, everyone needs to

1054
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: go watch this on Instagram because it's just thirty eight

1055
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: seconds of awesome. I give Nathan a follow while you're there. Yeah,

1056
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 1: please follow the guy. It's also kind of relatable, right

1057
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: because how many times have you been out with with

1058
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: all your fancy gear and like all your ducks are

1059
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: in a row and the guy with the new combo

1060
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: and like three lures shows up and out fishes you

1061
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:51,959
Speaker 1: or hooks the striper or steel head or whatever within

1062
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: two minutes. Um, do you know? Do you know how

1063
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: many gripping greens like I've posted in my life that

1064
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: have just been a immediately like oh, reempted by just chaos. Yeah.

1065
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: Oh dude, that's a thing. Like that's actually a thing

1066
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: in social media, like like flop pictures they call them, dude. Yeah,

1067
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 1: like where it's just like a blur in your hands

1068
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: and your face looks all up. Um, yeah, dude, that

1069
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 1: that happens all the time anyway, Nathan. Unfortunately, though, your

1070
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: torture isn't quite done yet, because we have to in

1071
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: keeping and keeping with the new world older here of

1072
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 1: of awkward moments. We have to give Hayden his roasting time.

1073
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: You have to have your room to roast. I don't

1074
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 1: like you. You say it as if it's something that

1075
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 1: I relish. Man, you can't. Well, you came up with it,

1076
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 1: so it's it's it's format better, bro. Yeah, well there

1077
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 1: you go. But anyway you have to do it, so

1078
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: hit us. What do you got some roast for this one? Yeah? Uh? Phil,

1079
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 1: ten seconds on the clock and begin. Dude looks like

1080
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: he just caught his first fish ever. Dude looks like

1081
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: he subscribes to birch box. Dude didn't drop the fish.

1082
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: The fish tried to jump to its death out of embarrassment.

1083
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: Dude looks like the guy who swears there are a

1084
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 1: couple of bull sharks in the lake. Dude looks like

1085
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: he read a survival article about how to start a

1086
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: fire by reeling against your drag. Dude looks like he

1087
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: refers to his rob for as his rig terrific that

1088
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 1: I'm caught between birch box and the bull. The bullshark

1089
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 1: one is quite brilliant. That was a good one. I

1090
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 1: give you props for that one. Um, Solid Rose, Solid Rose, Nathan,

1091
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: thanks again for me in such a good sport, man.

1092
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 1: I hope the purchase of that combo, regardless of it

1093
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 1: being maybe slightly too big, has fueled your love of fishing,

1094
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: and the inclusion of your video here hasn't changed any

1095
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: feelings you have about the sport. Everyone yeah, man, yeah man,

1096
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: drink everyone else, keep those awkward photos coming to Bent

1097
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 1: at the Meat Eater dot com or send them via

1098
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: d M, or do what Nathan did, put your awkward

1099
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 1: out there publicly for us to find with the help

1100
00:59:56,560 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 1: of those degenerate Angler and Bent podcast hashtags. I'm just

1101
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: gonna say it out loud. That was fun. That was fun.

1102
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 1: That was that was a really fun I feel a

1103
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 1: little bit. I feel a little bit bad, but uh yeah,

1104
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 1: yeah it was. I you know, I did give the

1105
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: guy fair warning. We did. We did, We asked, We

1106
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 1: asked for Nathan's permission. So it is what it is,

1107
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 1: um and you know, and this week we have a

1108
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 1: Q and a selection that that's kind of a fair

1109
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 1: warning as well to those looking to try their hand

1110
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 1: at that whole ice camping thing that you do. Yeah,

1111
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 1: you know, I love it and I think that a

1112
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 1: lot of folks should do it because it's like it's

1113
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 1: a good way to hang out with your buddies and

1114
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 1: spend all night fishing. Um, so it's not really like

1115
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 1: it is a warning, but it's more of a recommendation

1116
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 1: to like help you guys stay safe out there on

1117
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 1: the ice. What do you laughing at, Martini? You're not

1118
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 1: an idiot, you're not a gamblooning how more, you're a fisherman. Left,

1119
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 1: what's your imagine? Alright? So today on the bent Helpline, Uh,

1120
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 1: we have a question that kind of arrived by I guess.

1121
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 1: I guess organic means in the same way that Nathan

1122
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 1: Klump sort of did Kyle Katerine at Kyle Caterin. Uh,

1123
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 1: he slid into my d m s the other day

1124
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 1: when he saw a video of me doing like some

1125
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 1: ice fishing ice camp and stuff, and the picture that

1126
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 1: he commented on was one of like my flasher and

1127
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 1: then behind it a buddy heater He asks, how well

1128
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 1: do these work for keeping your feet a bit warmer?

1129
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:43,479
Speaker 1: And are they easy to pack in and pack out? Now, Joe,

1130
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 1: I mean I know that you're already kind of like, well,

1131
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 1: why is this a question that we're gonna answer? And

1132
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 1: it's because it kind of started a larger conversation with

1133
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 1: Kyle and I about like safety issues, right. Yeah, you

1134
01:01:57,120 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 1: know it seems like every year you find somebody who

1135
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 1: you know in the news, right, somebody who slept with

1136
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 1: like some sort of heater on and like ended up

1137
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 1: putting themselves in like a really dangerous spot or worse. Yeah, man,

1138
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I look, I have a fair amount of

1139
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 1: experience with buddy heaters. I don't ice camp. So this one, this,

1140
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 1: this ball is much more in your court. Um, I'm

1141
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 1: actually not sure, Like I'm curious to myself to hear

1142
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 1: about what the sort of overnight safety issues would be.

1143
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 1: I'll tell I'll put it to you this way. I

1144
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 1: have burned a lot of expensive gore attax on buddy heaters,

1145
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 1: but beyond that, I have had no I've had no issues. Right, So, uh,

1146
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 1: Kyle and I end up talking about like what he

1147
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 1: would have to do if he wanted to use a

1148
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 1: buddy heater in a similar way to make sure that

1149
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:42,959
Speaker 1: he stayed safe while he was doing it. Um to

1150
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 1: to clarify before you go on, you just mean using

1151
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 1: one in a pop up or shanny yah, using one

1152
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 1: in a pop up shelter specifically, for like overnight ice camping,

1153
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 1: got you okay? So long. So in other words, I

1154
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 1: think the question is then like while you're maybe sleeping

1155
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 1: verse wide awake and minding the heater, yes, got um.

1156
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 1: You know, first off, you need to assess like whatever

1157
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 1: risk you're personally comfortable with. You know, if like that

1158
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 1: makes you uncomfortable, then don't do it. I'm not saying

1159
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 1: like everybody should go out and like do this in

1160
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: this way, because like I don't want one of you

1161
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 1: guys to burn down your shanty and then sue me. Um.

1162
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 1: But when I do it, I do it this way.

1163
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 1: I make sure that I'm following first and foremost all

1164
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 1: the instructions on the body heater. Now, the body heater

1165
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 1: instructions do say that it's safe for indoor use, and

1166
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 1: people use them like this all the time. That said,

1167
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 1: it has a set of like rules that you ought

1168
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 1: to follow. Rule number one being like proximity, right you

1169
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 1: want to keep it. I think it's like six inches

1170
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: from the back, eighteen inches from the sides, eighteen inches

1171
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 1: from the front, and like thirty six inches above Like

1172
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 1: that's what you want, like the clearance to be all

1173
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 1: around your body heater. So that's like important for obvious reasons.

1174
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 1: You don't want to like start a fire, right. Um.

1175
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 1: The other thing it says is like keep it away

1176
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 1: from kids and pets. Like that's also like a very

1177
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 1: big deal, particularly if you're like sleeping in it. Um. Now,

1178
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 1: the thing that I get most concerned with, Joe is

1179
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 1: carbon monoxide, because that's like it's an odorless gas, and

1180
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 1: people call it the silent killer all the time. Right,

1181
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 1: So I always bring and j Siemens points to this

1182
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 1: and a lot of his ice camping videos, you always

1183
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 1: need to bring a carbon monoxide detector with you, and

1184
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 1: I suggest bringing two as just a redundant system. In fact,

1185
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 1: when I was talking to somebody recently about this on

1186
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 1: on the old Instagram, he mentioned that he was a

1187
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 1: he worked as an electrician for a long time, and

1188
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 1: if you don't have a redundant system, you might as

1189
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 1: well not have a system at all. Particition, when you're

1190
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 1: talking about, you know, I ice camping when it's like

1191
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 1: just cold as ship out, you never know when something's

1192
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 1: gonna malfunction. So the way that I like to do

1193
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 1: it is I have two detectors. I have one that's

1194
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 1: called a Knox carbon monoxide detector. And it's a fifty

1195
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 1: dollar thing. It's about the size of a smoke alarm,

1196
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 1: and it has a little screen on it, and that

1197
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 1: little screen shows you exactly like how much carbon monoxide

1198
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 1: has been detected. I took one and I put it

1199
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 1: by my card's exhaust and you can see that thing

1200
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 1: go from zero, which is where you always want it,

1201
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 1: and just climb all the way up. I don't know

1202
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 1: if it's like parts per billion or parts per thousand,

1203
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 1: but it will give you several warnings. It'll it'll give

1204
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:43,160
Speaker 1: you one when any carbon monoxide has been detected, and

1205
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 1: it will give you one when like you need to

1206
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 1: like get the hell out of wherever you are. So

1207
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 1: like that's like my primary one. I like it because

1208
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 1: it has a display. Then I got a twenty one

1209
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:58,440
Speaker 1: in the same isle of Walmart where I got my

1210
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 1: power drill, and and I have that one in my

1211
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 1: shanty as well. Um, now, just one more note on these.

1212
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 1: You don't want to get them wet, and you don't

1213
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 1: want to get them too cold. Of course, that's like

1214
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 1: being taken care of, because the whole reason you have

1215
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 1: them is because you got a heat running right A

1216
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 1: lot of these shanties have these like mesh pockets throughout them,

1217
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 1: like around like the sides and stuff. And I always,

1218
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 1: I just every time I get a new shelter, I

1219
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 1: have two shelters. Um, I always just tuck both carbon

1220
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 1: monoxide alarms and two opposite ends, and I just leave

1221
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 1: them in my shanty and that is where they live forever.

1222
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 1: So this isn't like the most fun listener question. I

1223
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 1: don't think it's. It's informative. Yeah, I mean, I'll tell

1224
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 1: you right now, I have learned something that I never knew.

1225
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 1: I this is the first time in my life I've

1226
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:59,440
Speaker 1: ever heard of carbon monoxide detectors as a piece of

1227
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 1: ice kids. And again that's that's probably because I've never

1228
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 1: overnighted on the ice anywhere. I mean, it's always been

1229
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 1: you know, a long day trip or whatever, and we've

1230
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 1: always had um, you know these heaters. Um, whether it's

1231
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 1: in a pop up or fixed shanny or you know, hardwood,

1232
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 1: whatever it may be. Uh, it's it's not something I've

1233
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 1: ever considered. And I don't know if that's if this

1234
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 1: is a tip that you know, should you always have one?

1235
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:28,439
Speaker 1: Or is this specific to overnight because I just feel

1236
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 1: like in my experience on the ice using one of these, Man,

1237
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 1: that sucker will blast in there for twelve hours straight, right,

1238
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 1: But you're you're going in and out so much because

1239
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 1: you know, you get roasting hot, you go outside, you know,

1240
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 1: you hang out. You know, is it as useful in

1241
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 1: that scenario or is it? To me? It would be

1242
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 1: most critical if you were going to close that puppy

1243
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 1: up and be in there for a very long time

1244
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 1: without venting anything. So well that that is the other thing. Man,

1245
01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 1: you never I'm glad you brought this up. When you

1246
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 1: are using any sort of heat source. I mean these

1247
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 1: body heaters again, like they have like shut offs if

1248
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 1: it's like if the oxygen levels are dropping. But you

1249
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: always always always want to have ventilation in your shelter,

1250
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 1: and you'll notice man um in like your for instance,

1251
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 1: like I have like the Eskimo big fish. That's why

1252
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 1: I fish out of a lot. There are these square

1253
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 1: flaps that come up towards the roof with like mestion them,

1254
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 1: and those those are made I believe, I mean, I

1255
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 1: think it's also for condensation, but I'm sure that that

1256
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:37,600
Speaker 1: was in mind because they're exactly about what the recommended

1257
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:43,720
Speaker 1: ventilation is like on the body heater instruction. So you

1258
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:46,599
Speaker 1: know it's gonna get a couple degrees colder with that. Sure?

1259
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 1: Is it very important? Yes? So there you go, man.

1260
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's that's solid info. Like I said,

1261
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,840
Speaker 1: a little bit out of my world. But I learned

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Speaker 1: something today. I accept I've said I never I never

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Speaker 1: even would have considered that. Shame on me. You're also

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Speaker 1: talking to a guy that had a really fancy raid

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Speaker 1: the motor ran so loud that it kept me up

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Speaker 1: at night, and and I just shut it off. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: just shut it off. I'm not gonna die from raid

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Speaker 1: On anyway. I'm gonna get letters about that now. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: do the thing that Hayden said, if you're gonna be

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Speaker 1: out there overnight, that's a that's a very good tip.

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Speaker 1: And um, you know, hey, if you've got more questions,

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Speaker 1: you know where to find us. Send him to bent

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Speaker 1: at the meat eater dot com, hit us up on

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Speaker 1: Instagram and maybe we will answer your safety or tackle

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Speaker 1: or whatever question you might have here on the bent helpline.

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Speaker 1: Well that's it for this week, General Anglers, Remember, you

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Speaker 1: guys make this show as much as we make this show,

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Speaker 1: So please keep those Q and as awkward moments, bar nominations,

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Speaker 1: all that stuff we love coming in. Please. Yep, you

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Speaker 1: can go ahead and send all of those two Bent

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Speaker 1: at the meat eater dot com. That's our inbox, or

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Speaker 1: get in touch with Joe and I on the old Instagram.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of, keep using those degenerate Angler and Bent podcast

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Speaker 1: hashtags so we can see what you're up to out

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Speaker 1: on the water or I don't know how you're failing

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Speaker 1: like Nathan. Yeah, it's not really fails a success. It's

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Speaker 1: good for you, Nathan. Point is we see all of

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Speaker 1: those tags. Hey, listen, good luck if you're getting out

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Speaker 1: there this weekend. If you're trying to get lucky out

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Speaker 1: there this weekend in a nice shanty. Mayor Craig Schubert

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Speaker 1: is watching you and possibly videotaping to create more data points.