WEBVTT - 09/08/21 DPS Hour 3 Kevin Kelley 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:03.560 You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:07.400 Sports Radio Final Hour in this Wednesday Dan and the 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:10.400 Dan Nstan Patrick Show. I'm glad to have you on boards. 0:00:10.520 --> 0:00:14.360 Stay awhile if you can. By the way, new episode 0:00:14.360 --> 0:00:17.160 of That Scene, the podcast where I talked to some 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:21.280 of Hollywood's great actors where they talk about an incredible scene. 0:00:21.280 --> 0:00:24.239 It could be Brian Cranston from Breaking Bad, Will Farrell 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:28.080 with his streaking scene in Old School. This week's episode 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:29.920 of That Scene. I had the pleasure of sitting with 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:34.280 Elijah Wood where we discussed everything from Ted Bundy to 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:37.880 genre horror films and of course Lord of the Rings. 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:43.680 Here's a clip from the podcast. Who destroys the Ring? Well, 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:53.760 I mean technically? Yeah. He wasn't quite sure how to 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:57.800 answer that, Well, what happened? Well, you have to listen 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:01.000 to the podcast because I want to know who destroyed 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:03.760 the ring? And he gave me a technically and then 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:07.160 I said, I don't care about technically. Elijah also talked 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:09.800 about his audition tape that he mailed to Peter Jackson 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:12.800 to get the part. But he loves his horror films 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:17.000 and he also loved talking about one of Seaton's favorite 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:24.000 movies Mandy Elijah produced with his company's Spectra Vision. You 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:26.039 can catch the rest of the episode head over to 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:30.200 Amazon dot com. H slash that scene. He was a 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:33.119 lot of fun and I'm sure that. And I wondered 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:36.399 if if he had talked to Daniel Ratcliffe of Harry 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:39.640 Potter that you are when you when you think of 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:42.160 Elijah would or you think of Daniel Ratcliffe, you think 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:47.920 of those those those movies, and do you embrace it? Um, 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:49.960 you're going to be defined by this. You're always going 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:51.200 to be known for that. And he said that they 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:54.400 actually had a conversation about it. But he said, Daniel Ratcliffe, 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:58.600 Who's Harry Potter. That's basically his entire adolescence. He grew 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:03.120 up as Daniel Ratcliffe, grew up as Harry Potter. Elijah 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:07.840 Wood said, Look, I was Frodo for four years basically, 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:10.280 so I had it at at the end of my 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:14.200 teenage years and he had it through his adolescence. Yeah. Point. 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:16.919 Elijah was also in that good movie Green Street who again, Yeah, 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:20.040 about the European soccer and the firms that fight. Good 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:23.120 good flick eight seven seven three D P show email 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:26.560 address DPA Dan Patrick dot com Twitter handle at DP show. 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:29.000 Back in the day, NFL films would do a half 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:32.320 hour movie about each team's season, and even when the 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:34.800 team was bad, they'd always end up in a hopeful note. 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:38.359 The Tampa Bay Buccaneers were oh and fourteen, but their 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:42.920 future looks bright, as bright as the Florida's sun. They 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:45.680 always found something. I'm not sure they'd be able to 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:49.960 find something promising with the twenty twenty one Houston Texans. 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:53.720 They may have lost Hall of Fame defensive in JJ Watson, 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:57.200 quarterback Deshaun Watson isn't playing, but at least they have 0:02:57.320 --> 0:03:01.200 a nice stadium. Some of this, oh, some of this 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:03.839 isn't their fault, but the Texans haven't done a great 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:06.600 job in communicating their plan to the public, and maybe 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:08.880 they feel like they don't have to. But those are 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:12.560 your season ticket holders. I mean, Tyrod Taylor, there's a 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:15.520 band aid quarterback and he can come in and he 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:18.400 can win some games, not that they want to. Not 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:21.600 a lot of talent on the roster, and it's really 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:24.080 hard to see any reason to be optimistic in Houston. 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:26.680 And you can say, well, you're gonna get some draft 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:29.920 picks for Deshaun Watson eventually eventually, and you're gonna get 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:34.080 the number one overall pick. Okay, if you said, hey, 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:36.280 we're gonna put you through this and we're gonna give 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:39.520 you Spencer Rattler out of Oklahoma and we're gonna get 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:46.280 some draft picks. Okay, that's not Trevor Lawrence. But I 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:49.400 think Houston fans need to at least have an answer. 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:52.640 Sometimes you just want to know we're in it together. 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:55.200 You know, that's seventy six ers said to their fans, 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:58.960 this is the process. We're in it together. We understand 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:01.880 what's going on Cleveland Cavaliers when they tank to get 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:05.400 Lebron James, all right, we understand this. With the Texans, 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:08.680 what is the game plan? I mean, you got a 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:13.720 coach David Culley, who hasn't coached before, and he's an 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:17.200 older coach, what is considered an older coach by his contemporaries. 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:22.440 And how long is he in there for? So what 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:25.200 are the big moves you're going to do? What can 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:30.800 you do? If anything? And you've got a quarterback who's 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:34.960 a top five quarterback, who's not playing, who's healthy, who's 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:38.600 on the roster, but he's not going to play against 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:43.520 Jacksonville crazy. Yeah, and they had the one thing that 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:46.880 every team wants, a young, great quarterback who's under contract 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:49.840 long term. Yeah, and they can't play him yeah or 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:56.400 won't Yeah. By the way, there is there's conflicting reports 0:04:56.440 --> 0:05:01.040 on the taunting penalty. J. C. Treder is the head 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:03.479 of the NFL Players Association. He's the president of the 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:07.880 NFL Player Association. He said that the NFL's Rich McKay 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:11.720 was wrong about the NFLPA wanting the new taunting emphasis. 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:15.479 In fact, he says he wants it gone. Rich McKay 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:19.160 is the head of the NFL's Competition Committee, and he 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:22.599 recently said that the league made the taunting rule a 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:28.400 point of emphasis at the request of the NFL Players Association. Well. 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:32.920 JC Trader, plays for the Browns, said yesterday the union 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:36.120 didn't ask for an emphasis on the enforcement of the 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:40.320 taunting rule. In fact, he says, I can assure you 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:45.039 as an attendee of the Competition Committee meeting myself, that 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:49.120 was not the case. Trader said, on the contrary, we 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:54.480 would support removing the removal of the point of emphasis immediately. 0:05:56.520 --> 0:05:58.680 How do we get that wrong or how do we 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:02.599 have one side saying Yep, players wanted this, and then 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:04.840 what And then the players go, we don't want this. 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:06.880 In fact, we want to get rid of this rule. 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:11.120 It doesn't feel like the players would go, yes, let's 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:16.720 get rid of taunting. They're the ones taunting. The owners 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:20.039 probably don't want this. Oh it's a bad look, you know, 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:23.200 the commissioners probably, Hey, guys, a bad look. I mean, 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:26.279 is it a rampant problem where you go, oh my god? 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:32.160 All right, and what is taunting anymore? Yeah? Seton. If 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:34.680 there's one thing that I know for sure, though, is 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:37.640 that players in the NFL want more obscure rules that 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:41.320 can possibly go against them randomly. I know for sure 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:44.800 that that's what the players are pushing for. Ye wait, wait, 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:47.600 I got fine for what I got. I got penalized 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:50.520 for what for? What? What do I say? Exactly? Let's 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:54.599 leave this open to interpretation. How about another rule open 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:58.280 to interpretation? Want more gray area us? Yeah? What could 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:01.279 go wrong? Yes, when they up those big screens in 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:03.160 the end zone so they could all do their dances 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:07.200 and pose, that's not taunting these long theatrical Broadway show 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:09.200 things that they do now right in front of a TV. 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:10.960 And could take a little selfie of themselves. What is 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:13.080 that call? And the NFL put up those TV's, sure 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:17.880 it did to allow you to do that. You have 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:20.160 to look away taunt. Now when you get up from 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:22.920 the pile or whatever. After a second, you can't stand 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:25.040 over the quarterback and taunt. You have to turn your 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:27.440 back to the quarterback and shun whilst taunting. So a 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:31.560 no look taunt exactly. I like it, Yes, I do. 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:34.280 Remember the year Cam Newton was fifteen one to one MVP. 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:37.240 A couple of guys took exceptions. Remember one time a 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:40.160 Titans linebacker flew in from the sideline and attack Cam 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:42.920 in the middle of the stands like that does well 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:46.800 when he did the Superman in the end zone. Yeah, 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:53.440 you're a professional. This is theater. It's entertainment. I know 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:56.840 it feels like life and death, but I think the 0:07:56.880 --> 0:08:00.680 players understand that this is part of the sport now, 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:04.280 whether you like it or not. I remember when I 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:08.480 was growing up that you might have. Isaac Curtis was 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:12.680 a Bengals wide receiver, and I remember when Isaac Curtis 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:14.920 would score a touchdown, he would drop the ball over 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:19.400 his shoulder. It was spectacular because he didn't have to 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:23.240 do anything that was demonstrative. It was just a here, 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:26.080 I'm gonna leave you in my week, and by the way, 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:28.640 here's the football I just scored a touchdown on. It 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:31.800 was to me the best end zone celebration I ever 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:35.719 saw because it got the message. You got the message. 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:38.840 It was simplistic, but it was not something that was egregious. 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:40.880 It was just like, let me just up this. I 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:44.480 don't need this anymore. Just drop it right there. Then 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:48.920 you had, you know, the fun bunch with the Washington Redskins. 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:53.600 You had you know, group group celebrations. Now I'm not 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:56.560 big on group celebrations. An individual does it. You want 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:59.760 to score, that's great. There's certain times when if you 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:01.800 go in from one yard out, you can't make it 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:05.559 seem like he ran ninety nine yards. But you want 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:09.520 to celebrate. It's about emotion. It's a sport that's about emotion. 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:12.960 I'm okay with it. But you know, for the NFL 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:17.680 to go no taunting, what is taunting? Did you see 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:21.880 there was a minor leaguer who got ejected after hitting 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:24.960 a home run. He hit a home run and as 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:27.720 he goes around third base, he says something to the 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:32.280 third base coach. He crosses home plate and the umpire goes, 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:37.760 you're gone. I've never seen it before. The third base 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:40.920 coach and he checked as soon as he got to 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:44.679 home plate, touched home plate, the empire goes, you're gone. 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:48.960 I know we're trying to protect our children. I get it, 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:56.840 you know, from dancing, protecting dancing, don't dance. Part of 0:09:56.840 --> 0:10:00.440 the problem is the grown ups. We need to protect 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:02.840 our kids from the grown ups who are their coaches 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:05.520 or managers. Yeah, you never see like a bunch of 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:07.880 eight year olds fighting at a youth football game. It's 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:10.320 a thirty seven year old Dade with a visor on. 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:12.719 Yes time. Well, you look at the NFL Lore and 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:16.600 NFL the Icky shuffle, Billy White shows Johnson. I think 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:18.520 Butch Johnson did the thing. We pretended he was taking 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:20.760 a couple of guns out of his house. There's all 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:23.000 these fun little things that aren't you know, I can 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:24.920 understand the throat slash you know, have there. You know, 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:27.360 maybe that's uncalled for it, But all those things would 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:30.959 be taunting now. But the reason why we remember them 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:33.280 and we look back fondly as we were kids at 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:37.679 the time. Now, the grown ups they are looking at 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:39.640 this going, well, we don't need that in the sport. 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:42.400 If you ask kids that, the kids don't care. If 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:45.840 they you know, your team changes uniforms, but we are 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:47.920 older were like, how can you do that? You know, 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:51.400 why are you changing colors? And You're kids don't care, 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:55.080 like they just they want to watch, they want to 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:59.040 be on their devices, they have their fantasy teams. It's 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:02.040 it's the grown ups who want to tell us or 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:05.120 tell them how to think. You're not supposed to like this, 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:07.800 and I like it. You're not supposed to. Back in 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:12.080 my day, you know, Barry Sanders handed the football to 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:14.960 the official all right, And Barry told me the reason 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:19.200 why because he has no rhythm. He couldn't dance. He said, 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:23.200 I didn't have any celebration, so I just gave the 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:25.760 football back like we give him credit. Like, man, that's 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:27.680 the way you do it. That's that's a pro. That's 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:30.000 a pro's pro right there. Yeah. I went back and 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:33.240 watched that clip. It's from twenty fifteen. Cam Newton scores 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:35.719 a really tough touchdown and then he starts dancing and 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:38.040 dabbing in the end zone and one of the linebackers 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:40.320 from the Titans that gets upset and gets in his face, 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:43.000 and he's trying to like get Cam to fight. Cam 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:47.480 instead starts dancing in his face like a Julia Stiles movie. 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:50.400 It's like a dancing throwdown, and it's making them even 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:52.880 more man because Cam, instead of losing a school, just 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:55.840 starts like shimming in front of the guy's face. The 0:11:55.880 --> 0:11:59.640 guy's by the way, Tom Brady is a get off 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:03.360 my guy. He does not like the teams players are 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:07.240 able to change their jersey numbers. Here's Tom yesterday we 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:09.520 talk about jersey numbers too. I could get on that. 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:13.520 I feel pretty strongly about that. Anyway, I don't want 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:16.000 to get into it. I've already talked and nausea about it. 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:19.600 I think it's a stupid rule just to be to 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:22.680 put it out there one more time. I think he 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:24.800 was having a little bit of fun there. But I 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:27.960 do think that he's saying, Look, you're getting used to 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:33.080 certain numbers, number schemes with defenses and defensive players, and 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:35.720 so it's going to take a little bit of getting 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:37.679 used to. I'm gonna guess Brady is going to be 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:41.720 able to overcome this hurdle. But you know, he did 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:44.360 say that it's a big deal. Yes, I think this 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:47.400 is the year Tom Brady throws a career record interceptions, 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:49.920 and part of it is because of the number thing. Wow, 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:55.800 you're already building in an excuse for Tom. Okay, Well, 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:58.600 I don't know if it's necessarily an excuse. Maybe maybe 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:00.800 Tom will say that's the excuse. Yes, time, as long 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:03.120 as the other team's wearing a different color than your jersey, 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:05.600 should be able to ultimately figure it out without worrying 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:07.559 whether they have a twelve or sixty three or a 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:11.719 fifty four on. Okay, but remember Jamis Winston, didn't he 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:15.520 have problems with the colors of the other team. Yeah, 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:19.400 not that easy, you know, or if you're color blind. 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:23.640 At least that was his excuse. If you're going to 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:26.760 a game this weekend, by the way, get ready for 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:31.199 what will feel like the NFL's TSA experience. This is 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:33.640 going to feel like you're going on a trip and 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:36.480 you go through security and certain things that you're going 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:39.800 to have to have, you know, got to verify COVID 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:44.720 nineteen vaccination. Guests ages twelve and older will be required 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:47.800 to display one of the following before going into the stadium. 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:53.400 An official CDC issued vaccination card with your name and 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:58.360 dates of doses. A photo or digital version of an 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:03.280 official CDC issue card vaccination card with your name or 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:06.280 dates of doses, including the date of the last dose, 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:10.319 and that is printed on the card. Fans can also 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:14.600 upload their proof of vaccination to Clear Health Pass in 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:18.520 the Clear app for verification. In other words, build in 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:22.920 some time when you're going to go through security, because 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:26.320 they're I mean, this is just different. This is going 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:28.240 to be a different time and what they expect, what 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:33.160 they're asking from you. But the entry process documentation people 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:35.920 are gonna know. They're going to be trained people at 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:38.600 the gate and they're going to know what they're looking for. 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:41.200 If something isn't lined up, fans are going to get 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:45.760 turned away. Like we talk about the players and COVID, 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:48.840 and there's going to be teams that lose their star 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:51.200 players or you know, any player for that and it's 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:54.160 going to happen this year. But you're not guaranteed of 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:58.560 getting in if you go to a football game, you know, 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:03.840 unlike tickets that come the scannable bar codes that you 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:06.680 know they use that obviously, it reduces fraud in the system. 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:09.520 The vaccination and testing documentation is going to be a 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:14.160 matter of passing an eyeball test with that person at 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:17.800 the gate to let you in. Just be ready for that. 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:20.440 Don't be surprised if you go to a stadium and 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:23.280 you go, wait a minute, I didn't know that, or 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:26.480 I'm not getting in because I don't have proper documentation. 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:30.800 It's going to happen. We'll take a break, get some 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:35.040 phone calls in here, and coming up next the head 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:39.800 coach of the Presbyterian Blue Hose. They had they put 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:42.000 up eighty four points over the weekend. Their quarterback in 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:45.320 Michigan transfer through ten touchdown passes. But the reason why 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:48.040 we're going to have coach Kelly on is because he 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:50.760 never punts. When he was in high school. I think 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:54.800 he won nine state titles. Bill Belichick was curious about, 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:57.400 you know, some of the things that he does. Can 0:15:57.480 --> 0:16:00.760 this work at a higher level? Press materion? I think 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:03.760 is a Division one now. I think they applied for 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:05.680 that a couple of years ago. I do think they're 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:11.520 Division one. But Presbyterian College head football coach Kevin Kelly 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:15.640 on why he never punts in a game. It's seventeen 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:18.480 after the hour here on the Dan Patrick Show. 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You might not have noticed, although Presbyterians 0:16:57.280 --> 0:17:00.840 quarterback of Michigan transferred through ten touchdown pass and the 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:03.360 reason why the game caught our eye is the head 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:07.199 coach at Presbyterian is Kevin Kelly. And we covered this 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:10.360 story a couple of years ago where coach never punted. 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:12.399 I don't even know if he has a punter on 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:15.600 his team, and we thought, okay, he made his college 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:19.080 debut and certainly made an impact with eighty four forty 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:22.919 three win over Saint Andrew's and coach joins us, you 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:25.240 gave up forty three points though coach. I mean, eighty 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:28.600 four you scored, but you still gave up forty three. No, 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:30.560 we did. We've got a lot of work to do 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:32.760 on both sides, to be honest. But our games are 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:36.320 kind of like that because we shorten the field a lot. 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:38.800 If we don't make a fourth down in a bad spot, 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:41.119 the field shorter. If we on site gig don't get at, 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:43.480 the field shorter. So it usually ends up a little 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:46.000 higher scoring games. Do you have a puncher on your squad? 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:49.840 There was one year when I came and he transfer. 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:53.800 I know that people always asked me what was going 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:56.040 to happen if I became a college coach. I'd never thought. 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:57.680 It was always a joke, and then it really kind 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:01.399 of happened. But a transfer. Okay, But didn't you Have 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:06.040 you changed anything since you've gone from high school to college? No? No, 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:08.320 you know, I mean, and think about it. You know, 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:11.360 you've moved up in the world. If you change anything 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:13.840 that got you there, you feel like if it goes bad, 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:17.439 you'll be always mad at yourself, Like, you know, I 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:19.679 didn't do what got me here. And you know, I 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:21.800 think all the success and I think I've got math 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:23.840 and science behind it I think it proved it. So 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:26.159 I was gonna do what I believe in, because it 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:27.879 isn't that what we're supposed to do for our guys 0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:30.040 on the field, make the decisions we believe in. It 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:33.159 gives them the best chance. But what was the reaction 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:35.159 when you did this in high school? Like when you 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:38.800 people realize you weren't going to punt? Yeah, I mean 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:41.000 at first there was some booze from our own crowd, 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:44.000 and then you know, and then there was you know, 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:46.960 the media was writing bad things about it and negative 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:49.480 and there was a lot of naysayers, and then you know, 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:52.280 as we started winning, those kind of went away. And 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:54.159 then I had to deal with the coaches because I 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:56.720 would go to coaches clinics and coaches would sit away 0:18:56.720 --> 0:18:59.560 from me like I had leprosy or something because they 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:01.439 were like, you're making a mockery of our game. And 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:03.480 I'm like, I'm just trying to win at a school 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:05.600 that had never won anything, you know, and I have 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:07.680 to do something different because I think I'm a good 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:10.439 football coach. I think I'm really good at some things. 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:13.480 But you know, if you can find an advantage somewhere else, 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:15.440 even if it's just a little one here and there. 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:18.240 Those add up. I call it the casino theory. A 0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:20.760 one and a half percent advantage at blackjack and a 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:25.320 point eight in craps, and they always win. So if 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:27.320 we can do that and give ourselves a little edge 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:29.879 by just making better decisions, and it works. So I 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:32.560 fought them at first, and I thought the media would 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:34.960 be the worst part, And you guys are the ones 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:38.359 that actually made it okay to do because when some 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:41.919 media guys started doing positive spins on it, the social 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:44.520 side came over and they're like, okay, they like it. 0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:46.360 We like it, so it's not nearly as bad. Now, 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:51.119 give me the analytics behind not punting. You know, really 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:55.200 you should punt some in theory and according to the 0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:59.600 numbers themselves, but field position and expected points, and I 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:03.119 want were you with all the real true analytics of 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:06.280 the game. But people should punt a lot less in 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:08.439 the game than they do now. I mean, it's just 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:10.520 proven even at times on your own end of the 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:12.600 field in the first quarter of the game and those 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:16.639 kinds of things. And I've decided not to do that. 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:19.600 But the more I did it, and I saw that 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:22.639 we were punting so little at one time when I 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:25.280 was at first experimenting that it was a waste of 0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:27.960 time to waste fifteen minutes a day on the punt team, 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:30.240 and that fifteen minutes I got to work on something 0:20:30.280 --> 0:20:32.280 else that we needed to on offense or defense. Well, 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:35.760 they don't measure that in the analytics world. So you 0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:39.000 should really punt if you value those fifteen minutes a day, 0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:42.760 even you should punt even less than the number. Say 0:20:43.720 --> 0:20:47.760 you've heard from other coaches, very successful coaches who came 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:52.120 in to pick your brain. Man, I mean a lot 0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:53.639 of people, and a lot of them asks me not 0:20:53.680 --> 0:20:56.120 to enable them. So I'm kind of scared. But it's 0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:59.879 been a who's who. Like Bill Belichick, Well you know 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:02.720 Bill Bill, and Bill just likes talking football. I don't 0:21:02.720 --> 0:21:04.560 think he's ever gonna go to no punt route, don't 0:21:04.600 --> 0:21:07.760 get me wrong. But it's curious though, Yeah, I mean 0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:10.640 I think I think, I think curious. I think, you know, 0:21:11.160 --> 0:21:13.560 you know we I think he likes to be around 0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:17.119 people that are successful, and he sees certain things and 0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:20.280 and maybe he was just I don't know if curious 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:22.640 is the thing. But we've talked some football, and I'll 0:21:22.640 --> 0:21:24.600 guarantee you this, I've learned a lot more from him 0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:27.040 than he has for me. But he's watched our games 0:21:27.040 --> 0:21:28.840 and watched what we do, and I think he's trying 0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:31.679 to see maybe some of the psychological effects that it 0:21:31.720 --> 0:21:33.760 has on the teams as well as as well as 0:21:33.800 --> 0:21:35.480 what it looks like. But I think that's There's a 0:21:35.480 --> 0:21:37.160 lot of coaches that have done that. But I've had 0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:40.040 some of the biggest names in coaching, you know. Nick 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:43.000 Saban told me at one point, Um, and I don't 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:45.080 think Nick minds that I mentioned his name, because he's Nick. 0:21:45.119 --> 0:21:46.960 He can do whatever he wants to. But he looked 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:48.880 and he said, I think you're probably right more than 0:21:48.920 --> 0:21:53.160 you're wrong. But it's hard to do that because of 0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:55.040 all the things you have to face, and you'd have 0:21:55.040 --> 0:21:58.080