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Speaker 2: Well come, well come, well come, well come, well come, welcome.

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Speaker 1: Welcome home, y'all. It has been such a great, fruitful

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Speaker 1: week of discussion here on Native Land Pod. And so

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Speaker 1: I know, if you listen to our main episode, we

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Speaker 1: said that we were going to talk about leadership styles,

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Speaker 1: and then we got into a discussion on the whole

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Speaker 1: black men black women dynamic. And I don't know, I

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Speaker 1: feel like these two conversations somewhat intersect. You all correct

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Speaker 1: me if you think I'm wrong. But we had Cornell

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Speaker 1: Belter on a polster, a brilliant poster who runs a

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Speaker 1: brilliant corner strategy, and he was on with Gabrielle Wyatt

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Speaker 1: and they had done his really interesting poll about black women,

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Speaker 1: and Andrew, you made a really good point about well

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Speaker 1: wait a second, like I hear in the Cornell's point

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Speaker 1: about black women center community, but you gave a shout

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Speaker 1: out like, let me just say, black men were leading

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Speaker 1: until policies harm them, and you know they were still

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Speaker 1: even after that. Black men were leading, but policies eliminated

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Speaker 1: a lot of black men. And so that's where we

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Speaker 1: look up.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think I appreciate that, and great summary

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Speaker 2: again to if it really wasn't to rebut what was stated.

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Speaker 2: I just think we have to do a more deliberate

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Speaker 2: job at contextualizing why a thing is a thing, Like

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Speaker 2: we didn't just wake up one day and black men

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Speaker 2: disappeared themselves from our neighborhoods. And you know, I think

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Speaker 2: my granddaddy, my mom's dad, who my grandmother was a housemaker,

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Speaker 2: raised eighteen headed children, my mother being the eight the

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Speaker 2: last of them. My granddaddy who ran a gas station

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Speaker 2: and did lawn maintenance on the weekends, and together in partnership,

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Speaker 2: not before women were leading, but rather in partnership, they

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Speaker 2: were leading a household and building neighborhood and community. And

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Speaker 2: men didn't just black men and just wake up one

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Speaker 2: day and say I'm done with that, I'm tired of it. Right,

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Speaker 2: there always been trifling folks. Right, Papa was a rolling stone.

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Speaker 2: I remember the lyrics from that before I even knew

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Speaker 2: what any of that, you know meant. So I'm not

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Speaker 2: I'm not repaying.

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Speaker 1: He left alone l O n or alone, like he

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Speaker 1: took out alone and left it to us, nah Lord.

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Speaker 2: But I was alone. I just think the threat that

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Speaker 2: we represented as a structure, as a as a as

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Speaker 2: a image to be revered was so such an intimidation

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Speaker 2: to the structure that existed that these folks had to

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Speaker 2: develop deeply seeded plans to create what industries. Industries principally

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Speaker 2: focused on breaking up that part partnership and not just

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Speaker 2: the marriage partnership. I just mean as black men and

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Speaker 2: black women who were modeling, not always perfectly, we have

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Speaker 2: our issues, but who were modeling what it meant in

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Speaker 2: that pole we saw earlier in the episode, the black

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Speaker 2: women were prioritizing fairness. They put fairness above DEI when

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Speaker 2: it came to priorities. I just want to be treated

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Speaker 2: fairly in this place that they developed these structures that

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Speaker 2: has bastardized fairness, has bastardized us being in these places.

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Speaker 2: And then did some jiu jitsu to make what is

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Speaker 2: our strength and their weakness their biggest strength coming after

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Speaker 2: us about don't even earn it when the truth is

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Speaker 2: your children aren't getting into the colleges that you want

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Speaker 2: them into. Your daughters and sons are not coming home

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Speaker 2: and sleeping on the couches, and you want them out

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Speaker 2: and the lie that you have said that you are

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Speaker 2: better than everyone else on your worst day is coming

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Speaker 2: home to roost that it was always a lie. Now

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Speaker 2: they're competing with us. Now they're learning what it means

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Speaker 2: to try to earn a slide, even though all the

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Speaker 2: structures have been built and designed for their angrandizement and advancement.

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Speaker 2: And so what do they do. They say, let's get

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Speaker 2: rid of hey, take all the diversity, all the inclusion,

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Speaker 2: and then my son and my daughter will get back

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Speaker 2: to their rightful place in society. Or if there was,

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Speaker 2: if that, if if that ain't didn't earn it, I

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Speaker 2: don't know what it is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, everything you said, Andrew, I mean I completely echo that.

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Speaker 1: And you know the point I made in the episode

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Speaker 1: are a hurt people. We are carrying so much pain around,

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Speaker 1: generational pain. Our time in this country, you know, was

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Speaker 1: started in strife, and you know it's taught us to

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Speaker 1: love just a little bit because our love was a weapon.

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Speaker 1: And if I birth this child, I'm nursing this child,

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Speaker 1: I'm caring for this child, and I know at any

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Speaker 1: me I gotta love a little bit if you a man.

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Speaker 1: And it's like, I love this woman. This is my wife.

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Speaker 1: We are carrying that level of pain with us. We've

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Speaker 1: never really had a collective healing. So that's why when

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Speaker 1: I hear some of these asinine comments coming from some

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Speaker 1: of these podcast bros. And you know some of this

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Speaker 1: very toxic space in the community, I do. I have

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Speaker 1: a lot of frustration and a lot of hurt because

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Speaker 1: my brother, I'm not your enemy. Let's keep in mind

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Speaker 1: who the enemy is. But I also have care. I

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Speaker 1: have a little I gotta care about you from a distance.

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Speaker 1: I can't always engage people who appear to hate me,

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Speaker 1: but I do have to consider this has come from

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Speaker 1: a place of trauma, and so to me, if we

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Speaker 1: are turning black love into a weapon, you know that

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Speaker 1: people can't stop and celebrate black women and what we do.

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Speaker 1: And as black women, like, we're holding your pain and

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Speaker 1: everybody else's pain because we see what the state is

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Speaker 1: doing to you, because the state is doing it to us.

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Speaker 1: Because when it happens to you, it happens to us,

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Speaker 1: we feel it.

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Speaker 2: I would suggest Tiffany also that some of the herd

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Speaker 2: that is being expressed, and quite frankly righteous frustration with

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Speaker 2: the fact that the only time you're talked about is

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Speaker 2: in proximity to a black woman or as opposed to

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Speaker 2: a black woman, that just as black women exist as individuals,

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Speaker 2: their joy can rise and fall all on its own.

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Speaker 3: There.

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Speaker 2: What do you mean? And what I mean by that

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Speaker 2: is my frustration that I am experiencing right in this

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Speaker 2: very moment about the systems that have colluded to knock

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Speaker 2: us down at every opportunity us. But I'm speaking very

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Speaker 2: Is a terror all on its own, without ever factoring

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Speaker 2: in what my romantic relationship is. Who I've hurt in

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Speaker 2: that because white men have toxic behaviors, and white women

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Speaker 2: do too, and so do black women and so on

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Speaker 2: and so forth. I'm saying, when the hurt comes, or

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Speaker 2: what you interpret is hurt, might be really just righteous

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Speaker 2: even that men black men are allowed to have these

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Speaker 2: who they dated, what happened in that dating experience, but

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Speaker 2: as individual humans being able to experience a fierce and

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Speaker 2: emotion that ain't got nothing to do with the women

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Speaker 2: or men that we may date.

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Speaker 1: Wow, you might have been too deep for me there,

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Speaker 1: because I'm thinking about that, and it's true. When I

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Speaker 1: think about black men, I do often think through the

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Speaker 1: lens of black women. I think of the woman who

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Speaker 1: raised you. I think of your counterpart, you know who

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Speaker 1: you're attached to. Yeah, Angela what.

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Speaker 3: I just wanted to remind you all that even though

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Speaker 3: I need to get out of my hotel room, I

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Speaker 3: am still here. So I was like, I would tell

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Speaker 3: me in, tell me in. This is a good contraction

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Speaker 3: for it. I'm trying to do better than Andrew be.

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Speaker 1: Like yo yo, hey hey yeah yeah yeah, but no

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Speaker 3: No, it's it's so it's so good and it's it's

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Speaker 3: but I feel like we talk about it a lot,

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Speaker 3: especially in our friend group, I feel really protective of

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Speaker 3: black men, like really protective of black men. I think

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Speaker 3: some of it is the relationship with my dad, Like

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Speaker 3: even growing up, there would be he's all black men.

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Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think.

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Speaker 3: For yeah, for sure, for sure.

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Speaker 1: Because because I don't know, because I've heard you like

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Speaker 1: really go after some black men who you just don't

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Speaker 3: Huci. I'm not feel like protective of Clarence, Uncle Clarence.

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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about him.

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Speaker 2: It's definitely to.

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Speaker 1: Protect and to fa I think there are some men

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Speaker 1: but I've also heard with which we disagree on. I

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Speaker 1: don't want to raise it again because I don't want

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Speaker 1: it to get but I'm just saying, if you don't, well,

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Speaker 1: but this is the one I'm thinking about. Like you,

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Speaker 3: I don't feel like I can't because now we're in

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Speaker 3: But I don't feel anything to applies. Like you know,

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Speaker 3: he welcome to state to the people. He can write

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Speaker 3: I do want him to, if he's comfortable with it,

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Speaker 3: think that's the main thing. So if there was a criticism,

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Speaker 3: it would just be that. But I respected a brother. Okay,

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Speaker 3: so sorry, I don't know what moment.

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Speaker 1: Go back to. I didn't mean best of it.

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Speaker 3: I think like I think, one of the things I

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Speaker 3: love most about our show is we give each other

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Speaker 3: the space to work through out loud, our hypocrisies and

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Speaker 3: our blind spots. So I think if there's a blind

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Speaker 3: the Brothers, and I will definitely do that, I think

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Speaker 3: wondering where it was coming from and kind of wrestling

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Speaker 3: do with my dad. I'm definitely a daddy's girl. I

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Speaker 3: love my mama, but I'm definitely a daddy's girl. And

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Speaker 3: I feel like my mom is more discerning and intuitive.

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Speaker 3: And I think that that is a natural thing that

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Speaker 3: it's coming, and y'all just ain't got it. So I'm

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Speaker 3: having a look out for y'all, like, don't cross that

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Speaker 3: street right there is a car coming both ways. And

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Speaker 3: I think that that's happened with what'd.

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Speaker 2: You say, we got a different skill set? Yeah you do.

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Speaker 3: Andrew leaves his phone eighty thousand times in one days,

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Speaker 3: stressful and the and one in the same. My dad

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Speaker 3: is like that with human beings. You know, it could

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, no, forget too.

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Speaker 3: So I think there's a natural protection. And I'm like

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Speaker 2: And by the way, Angela, I don't I don't mean

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Speaker 1: not always in proximity to a black woman, like we

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Speaker 1: these are the type of conversations that you can enjoy

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Speaker 1: every week on Native Podcast, and this is why we

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Speaker 1: ask you please tell a friend, please subscribe, but please

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Speaker 1: be sure to listen. These mini pods drop every Friday.

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Speaker 1: Our main episodes drop Thursday. You can also check out

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Speaker 1: the solo pods with Angela and Andrew Somedays y'all. I don't

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Speaker 1: know Mondays and Tuesdays, so you know, we do have pods.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes we do have sometimes I was supposed to have one. Wait.

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Speaker 3: Nick was like, okay, we're doing I was like, yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: And you deserve it. You don't have to apologize. You

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Speaker 1: and you chose for I hope anyway that you chose

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Speaker 2: So deep and there ain't nothing you can do about it.

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Speaker 1: We love you back, I love this and I love

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Speaker 1: our conversations that y'all can see are not filtered. We said,

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Speaker 3: About you were talking about you said you said you're

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Speaker 3: not you did say you were protective, But I was

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Speaker 3: thinking about that time when Andrew was trying to say

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Speaker 3: some crazy ish he shouldn't say on the podcast yes,

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Speaker 3: and we were like, no, no, no, no, what you

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Speaker 2: Hood's at home everybody, And I was like, this.

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Speaker 1: Is not doing what you bigg's doing. Okay, Nick's on

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Speaker 1: camera telling us we gotta go at home, but Nick's

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Speaker 1: are gonna on that note say welcome home, y'all, and

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Speaker 1: we will see you back here next week. Tell a friend,

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Speaker 1: thank you, everybody Happy jeen Native Land Pod is the

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