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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the

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Speaker 1: modern white tail hunter, and now your host Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyan and tearing the show. We are talking hunting

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Speaker 1: white tails on the ground, natural blinds, ground blind, spotting stock,

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Speaker 1: and using a decoy at eye level while moving in

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Speaker 1: with a bowl. All right, welcome to the Wired to

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Speaker 1: Hunt podcast, brought to you by First Light, and we've

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Speaker 1: got a extra special episode today because it's it's kind

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Speaker 1: of a two partner. Part two. The main episode, which

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Speaker 1: I teased just a second ago, is all about hunting

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Speaker 1: white tails on the ground. It's with Travis Glassman. He

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Speaker 1: is a die hard bow hunter from Kansas who has

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Speaker 1: perfected a number of different techniques for chasing bucks at

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Speaker 1: eye level. He's done it in ground blinds, he's done

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Speaker 1: it in natural blinds, he's done a spotting stock, and

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Speaker 1: he most interestingly does it with a handheld decoy that

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Speaker 1: he uses in front of him to get these bucks

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Speaker 1: to come right in try to beat him up, and

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Speaker 1: then he gets them, uh, gets them with an arrow

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Speaker 1: before they can get him with their antlers. And uh,

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Speaker 1: it's really really interesting stuff. So that's that's the main show.

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Speaker 1: If you want to learn anything about different ways to

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Speaker 1: get out of the tree on the ground, this one's

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Speaker 1: for you. But before we get to that, I have

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Speaker 1: a special special guest here for our introduction, the one

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Speaker 1: and only nine Fingered Wonder, my brother from another mother,

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Speaker 1: Dan Johnson's back on the show, Ladies and gentlemen, Dan Uh.

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Speaker 1: I'm really glad we're able to make schedules work here

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Speaker 1: in a last minute because we haven't got to catch

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Speaker 1: up in a couple of months now. So thanks for

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Speaker 1: figuring out way to make this work. Hey, I appreciate it, Mark,

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Speaker 1: but you forgot to mention one thing about Travis. Not

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Speaker 1: only is he a great white tail hunter. Number one,

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Speaker 1: he is a really good guy. And number two, his

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Speaker 1: wife is a slayer as well. She's she's putting some

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Speaker 1: are deadly due, that's for sure. So yeah, it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be it's gonna be a good podcast. And um with you,

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Speaker 1: though not well with you, it's gonna be a good podcast.

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Speaker 1: I can't get. But what I what I want to

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Speaker 1: do with you, man, is cover off on something that

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Speaker 1: we usually that we have done every single year since

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Speaker 1: the beginning of the podcast, which is do an episode

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Speaker 1: where we cover off on our game plan for the year.

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Speaker 1: You know, what our goals are, what the hunts are

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Speaker 1: that we're going on, what our hopes are, if there's

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Speaker 1: any deer that we're chasing this year. Uh and and

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Speaker 1: just because of how crazy this year has been, we

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Speaker 1: haven't been able to do a full show, but I

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Speaker 1: thought we could. We could do like an intro conversation

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Speaker 1: way into the season already, so no, it's late, but

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Speaker 1: better late than never. I figured, are are you game

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Speaker 1: for that? I'm game for that, But I want to

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Speaker 1: sabotage this podcast for one, like real quick, just for

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Speaker 1: a second. Okay, have you ever been You're from Michigan.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever been to Grand Haven, Michigan? Hell yeah,

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Speaker 1: I love it, so shout out to one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite bars in the that I've been to in the country,

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Speaker 1: The Tip Off You Tavern in Grand Haven. Have you

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Speaker 1: ever been there? I've not been there. Oh man. They

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Speaker 1: make one of the most beautiful Jack and Coke's that

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Speaker 1: and Coke. It's like a Coke and Jack if that

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Speaker 1: That's why I brought this up. Nice. Nice. Yeah. Grand

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Speaker 1: the at the tavern there, all right, Coke and Jack,

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Speaker 1: I'll order it jack yep. Absolutely, Oh man, it's not

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Speaker 1: it's not a market damn podcast if there isn't a

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Speaker 1: All right, We've talked about this September shift for a

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Speaker 1: some trepidation is because it's by far the craziest fall

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00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,360
Speaker 1: I've ever had, Um, And so it's gonna be it's

427
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 1: just gonna be tough on the family life and and

428
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:37,159
Speaker 1: my sanity as well. So so I did this public

429
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 1: land whitetail hunt in Idaho at the beginning of the

430
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,679
Speaker 1: year that me and Further did together, and uh, you know,

431
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 1: tough hunt had some close calls, just didn't quite come together.

432
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: But but cool um and then Michigan of course opened

433
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,439
Speaker 1: up on October one, So I've got that going on.

434
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: And in a second here I can give you some

435
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,439
Speaker 1: details on on what Darren hunting there and what happened

436
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 1: the first couple of days of the season. But the

437
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 1: big wild card is that I'm filming two new shows

438
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: this year, uh that are requiring that I travel a ton.

439
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 1: So one of these shows, the basic gist, if I

440
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: were to like oversimplify it, is kind of taken the

441
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: Wired Hunt podcast idea on the road and filming it.

442
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: So the idea here is that I go and I

443
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 1: meet with some expert in deer hunting that has like

444
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 1: a very specific, unique angle on how they hunt in

445
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 1: the unique place they hunt. And I'm gonna go out

446
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 1: and visit with this person and spend a day or

447
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 1: two with them, basically doing a podcast but in real life,

448
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 1: so following along with them to learn how they do

449
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 1: what they do, asking them why they do this, why

450
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: is this the spot, why do you use this this

451
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: this bow? Why do you think about this way? Why

452
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 1: is this location right? And go through the whole thing

453
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 1: and actually tag along for a hunt with them and

454
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: break it all down. So try to learn as much

455
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: as I can dissect their approach, just like what we

456
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 1: do here. But then I have to take what I

457
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,199
Speaker 1: learned over that day and a half and then I

458
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,479
Speaker 1: need to try to pull off the hunt myself. So

459
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: now I have to go off on my own taking

460
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: what I learned from this expert, and I'm in their

461
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: area now. So there's new country, new spots, new techniques,

462
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: and I have to try to guinea pigott and implement

463
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 1: it and try to kill a deer. So that's that's

464
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: the thing I'm trying to do this fall across six

465
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: different places for this show this season. Um. And then

466
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: in between all of that, I'm also filming a different

467
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: show which is focused on just one single week in Iowa.

468
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 1: Um So I've got that hunt first week in November,

469
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: which will be kind of standard seven days of hunting

470
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 1: NonStop in the run. So that's one thing. But then

471
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 1: this other show has got a hunt that I just finished.

472
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 1: I just got home late last night from Washington, d C.

473
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: I was chasing Suburban Bucks and Suburban Does with Taylor

474
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 1: Chamberlain out in the suburbs, which was a very interesting, wild,

475
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: insane trip that I'm gonna have another podcast the details

476
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: of it, but I'll just tell you it was. It

477
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 1: was like nuts. Um So that was a learning experience. Um.

478
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 1: And then I'm going to Arkansas next week. So in

479
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: like six days i leave for Arkansas and I'm going

480
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: to go out there with Clay Newcome, and we're gonna

481
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: be learning from his one of his like mountain man

482
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: type mentors, all about how the old school mountain man

483
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: way of deer hunting from the ground with a muzzle

484
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: loader out in the mountains, national forests and stuff. Uh.

485
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: So we're gonna take mules back into some random place

486
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: in Arkansas, live out there for a week and chase

487
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 1: deer on the ground like that, and then I'm home

488
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: for six seven days, and then I take off for

489
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: that Iowa hunt that I just described, and then I

490
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: leave immediately from that hunt to go out to Nebraska

491
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: and go hunt the open country grassland type stuff with

492
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: a guy named Tony Treach who has perfected kind of

493
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: a similar thing what Travis is going to talk about

494
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 1: today in the podcast, which is killing these deer with

495
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 1: a bow on the ground using a decoy. So I'm

496
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: gonna try that myself now, um. And then I come

497
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 1: home for a week, and then I go to Maine

498
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: and I'm meeting up with Hail Blood and we're gonna

499
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 1: I'm gonna learn how to track deer in the snow

500
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 1: and try to follow their tracks right to the buck

501
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 1: standing there and get a crack at them with a

502
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:34,239
Speaker 1: rifle and that's gonna be crazy an interesting. Uh. And

503
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: then I'm home for a week and then I've got

504
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: another one that I still tend of this. I can't

505
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: lay out details, but I think it looks like gonna

506
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: be going to Alabama for a very interesting hunt in

507
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: early December, and then in early January going to Wisconsin

508
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: for another interesting one where we will be taking a

509
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: unique look and meeting with a unique person out there. Uh,

510
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: kind of putting the lens back on the more common

511
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:05,239
Speaker 1: like Midwestern management world of deer hunting, but from an

512
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: interesting perspective and doing a hunt there. Um So it's

513
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a lot of travel and a

514
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: lot of like quick hunts. So I've got like a

515
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: day and a half with these people learning about what

516
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: they do, and then I have like three three and

517
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: a half days to try to do it myself. Um.

518
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: So it's exciting, like I'm gonna learn a lot, I'm

519
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: gonna see a lot of interesting things. But that trepidation is,

520
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,959
Speaker 1: you know, it's gonna be really hard to actually get

521
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: anything killed in these kinds of situations, and it's it's

522
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: just gonna be a tough fall from balancing family and

523
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: travel and all that kind of stuff. So that is

524
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: that's the that's the crazy I've got staring me in

525
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: the face right now. Well, I'll ask you this, would

526
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: you rather you know, obviously you're not really in control

527
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: of all of the places that you're going. I mean,

528
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: it sounds like if you had your a way, you

529
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: might spend some more time in some places. So the

530
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: question I have for you is, would you rather hunt

531
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 1: five states at three days at a pop or maybe

532
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: three two or three states at five to seven days

533
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: out of pop? I mean, if it was just like

534
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: to try to kill a good buck, like if I

535
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: weren't doing the show, and if it was just for

536
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: like my own goals of killing a good buck, definitely

537
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: a fewer states, longer period. The trick is that we're

538
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: you know, trying to get you know, a certain number

539
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: of episodes, right, and um, that's the trick with it.

540
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: And I don't want to be gone a crazy amount

541
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: of time because I'm trying to make sure that I'm

542
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: not always gone. So it's like I need more ideally

543
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: like more hunting days, but at the same time, I

544
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: don't want to be away from the family more too.

545
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: So it's it's uh, I think what it's gonna come

546
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: down to is that I'm I'm gonna be you know,

547
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be targeting big giant bucks, right, It's

548
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: gonna be more so I'm gonna learn about the style

549
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: of hunting. And if I can get a crack at

550
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: a dough, I'll be stoked. If I can get a

551
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: crack at a two year old buck or three year

552
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: old buck, I'll be stoked. Um. And I think I'm

553
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: looking at this fall is much more of a I'm

554
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: going to learn a ton and hopefully this will be

555
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: a tool to teach people a lot. And and I'm

556
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: not gonna get down on myself if I don't shoot

557
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: a bunch of big old bucks, because that's that's just

558
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: not the thing I'm going for this year. So it's

559
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: to be different. Yeah. Well, I hope you find success,

560
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: my friend. And it sounds like you're gonna have some

561
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: uh some help at least from some quote unquote experts

562
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: that are gonna help point you in the right direction.

563
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean awesome, awesome people to learn from

564
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: in person. And I mean it's gonna be really interesting

565
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: digging into what these people do and how they do it.

566
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: So if nothing else, I'm gonna come out of the

567
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: season with a totally new perspective having hunted all these

568
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: different places and all these different ways, uh, which you

569
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: know is gonna be a good thing in the long run.

570
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: I just don't know what it's gonna mean for how

571
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: many tags I felt or like if I can roll

572
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: out of bed on January one and like walk, we'll see.

573
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: But I do think I feel good about the Iowa hunt.

574
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I've got some stuff that I knocked on

575
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: doors a number of years ago that I have access

576
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: to again. Um, I've got a buddy's property. He's gonna

577
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: let me slip in there if I need to. So

578
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: there's a couple of spots where I think I can

579
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: get something. I can get a decent deer in Iowa.

580
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: I'm excited about that. And you know, on the local

581
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: stuff in Michigan, I've got a couple of good bucks

582
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: that made it from last year. Um, So I feel

583
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: even though I won't have a lot of time to

584
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: put into those, I think, um, maybe just be a

585
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: little more targeted and hopefully take advantage of you know,

586
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: a lot of historical data on those deer. I've got

587
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: three bucks from last year, two bucks for sure that

588
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: I wanted to target this year that I passed last

589
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: year a bunch. Um. There's this really nice twelve pointer

590
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: who I believe his four and I was calling him

591
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year last year, and he's back and

592
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: been very daylight. And then there's another big eight pointer

593
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: who I passed a bunch last year. He's back. He's

594
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: probably like a hundred and thirties something inch eight four

595
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: year old, which is a really good one for around here.

596
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: I have pictures of him in early September, but I

597
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: haven't checked pictures of him on a cell camera. I

598
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: haven't checked any regular cameras. I don't know if he's

599
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: anywhere else. Um. And then there's this wild card buck.

600
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: There's this short time nine pointer from last year who

601
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: I thought was to last year, so I assumed he'd

602
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: be a three year old this year, and then I

603
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't be interested in hunting him. But I've seen him

604
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: a couple of times now, including opening night and the

605
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: next day in the morning, and then I saw him

606
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: again last night. I got out for a little glassing

607
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: session and some and he looks like a tank. I mean,

608
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: he's not big bodied, he's still he's like, sure, he's

609
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: a short but very wide nine point, kind of like

610
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: that wide eight point where I shot in the back

611
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: forward a couple of years ago. Um, but his body

612
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: does not like the three year old, So I don't

613
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if he just has an abnormally really

614
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: big body and he is actually three, or if I

615
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: misjudged him last year and he was actually three last

616
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: year and just wasn't very impressive antler wise, so I

617
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: under sold on him, and then this year he is

618
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: a big, chunky four year old, and I don't know,

619
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a if he comes in and he

620
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: looks as good up close, I might be very tempted

621
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: to descend with at him because these pictures I'm getting

622
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: him on the cell camera and then just kind of

623
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: seeing him running through a couple of times, he's, uh,

624
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: he looks good. So yeah, so you know, there's there's

625
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: some exciting stuff. That very first night of the season.

626
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: I gotta sell cam picture of that twelve point of

627
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: Rookie the night before in daylight in one of my spots.

628
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: So I made a move aggressively winning there with a

629
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 1: saddle set up on that spot, hoping he come through,

630
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: and he didn't, but he showed up with that short

631
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: wide nine about a hundred and twenty yards away, And

632
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: so I saw go by that night, and then the

633
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: next morning I couldn't hunt, but I could glass, and

634
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: I watched them go right by that same spot in

635
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: the morning, back to bed. So the second night of

636
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: this season, I went in, walked to creak in back

637
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: behind this thick brushy stuff and got right up in

638
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: like the edge of where I think they're bed. Had

639
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: slipped in there, and during a rainstorm climbed up in

640
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 1: the tree right where they passed by the night before

641
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: and that morning, and I was thinking, man, this is

642
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: it perfect, And then they didn't show, so you know

643
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: how that goes. Yeah, But so it was a fun

644
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 1: first couple of days the hunt of the season, and

645
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: felt like I was in the game on them. So

646
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: that was all I've done in Michigan so far. And

647
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm gonna hunt it all this

648
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: week because of the fact I'm you know, leaving again

649
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: so soon, so it might be take this week off

650
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: and not hunting again until late October for those deer.

651
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: But that's that's what I got here in Michigan. Um,

652
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: if I don't kill the late October, it's going to

653
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: be like a late season thing because November is so busy.

654
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: So that's a that's my story. Man. It's gonna be

655
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: a different kind of year, different kind of goals, hopes

656
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: and hit lists this year for sure. Yeah. Yeah, Well,

657
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: I'm sending good vibes your way, man, I do appreciate it.

658
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 1: I uh, I hope the South Dakota goes well so

659
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,479
Speaker 1: you don't have to have this really weird situation play out.

660
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: So you can finangle an extra way to get backed

661
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: on there, Mr Johnson, we found you google searched how

662
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: to put your wife in a coma. We uh that's illegal? Yeah? Yeah,

663
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: that that would be one time I'd be okay with

664
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: the n s A snooping in to make sure you

665
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: don't go one step too far with your hunting obsession. Hey,

666
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: I got a question for you, um is Rookie of

667
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: the Year. I have a sweet goatee. See, I knew

668
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: you'd like this. He's got some interesting facial hair. I

669
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't say it's a sweet gotee like I've got, but

670
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: he does have like a white patch on his forehead,

671
00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: so there's a little something there makes him because that's

672
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 1: that's your nickname. I know, I know, I'm and I'm

673
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: applying it to a buck. So yeah, buddy, I hope

674
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: you I hope you hit him with the curve. I

675
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,959
Speaker 1: give him my best shot, and I hope the same

676
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 1: for you. Man. Thanks for thanks for hopping on here

677
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: quick to do this today. I know that folks have

678
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: been asking where where's the goals, hopes and hitless conversation.

679
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: We need to know what you two are doing. So

680
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: we did it. It's out there and uh, if anything

681
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: weird goes down in Iowa, they can point back to

682
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: this as far as uh, what are they called motive

683
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: for the crime? And um, it's all out there for

684
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: the world to see. So we're good now. Now, I

685
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: definitely can't put my wife into a coma because this

686
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: this is all like now, it's premeditated. Oh gosh, okay,

687
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: we we to make it clear Dan Dan Johnson. Dan

688
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: Johnson would never do anything ill advised. He's a wonderful

689
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: family man of great dad and husband, and we believe

690
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 1: that you have only the best of intentions, right, my friend,

691
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: Only the best intentions, only the best intentions. Well, good

692
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: luck in South Dakota. And when you get going to Iowa,

693
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: I know you'll be keeping me posted. I can't wait

694
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 1: t here. How it goes, same man? All right, And

695
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 1: with that all said, let's get into the next phase

696
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: of this podcast, which is talking ground game for white

697
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: tails with Travis Glassman. All right, I am here now

698
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: with Travis Glassman. Travis, welcome to the show. Thank you

699
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: very much, Mark for having me. I'm I'm excited for

700
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: this one, as I think probably our listeners should know

701
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: by now. I can't remember if I've mentioned this or not,

702
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: because my life's crazy these days, but I am heading

703
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: out to the planes of Nebraska this year and I'm

704
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: gonna do some ground hunting for white tails with my bow.

705
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,760
Speaker 1: And in preparation for that, I've been digging in and

706
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: researching different people that have done this and looking into

707
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: different ways of doing it and exploring all that. And

708
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: your name was one that kept popping up as a

709
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: guy that has got this thing nailed down. You figured

710
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: out how to kill white tails on the ground with

711
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 1: the bow, and that's what I want to talk to you. About.

712
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: So my question, first, free Travis, is how did this

713
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: thing start for you? Because I actually I actually started

714
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: hunting white tails on the ground with a bow too,

715
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 1: but it was because my mom wouldn't let her little

716
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: son marks in the tree stand at the time, so

717
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: I was forced to be able to ground. Why why

718
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: did you go to the ground? Is it? Well, I

719
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 1: I I won't try to answer for you. How did

720
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: it begin for you? Okay? So I too, um back,

721
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: well for back and clear up. When I started bow hunting,

722
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: I was about fifteen years old. I had a I

723
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: was very lucky to have a buddy who took me

724
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: along with him and and I didn't even have a bow.

725
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: I went along and him and his dad um hunted

726
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: a little bit of private some public here in Kansas,

727
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: and they they primarily hunted tree stands. And so I

728
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: learned to um the whole tree stand game. And you know,

729
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 1: we don't have as many trees um. I live in

730
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: the western part of Kansas, so it's a lot of

731
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: open spaces, but you know, there are trees here and

732
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: there in in some of the drainages and whatnot, and

733
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: so we would only always look for those areas to hunt.

734
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: And set up a tree stand. And I've spent a

735
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: lot of hours in a tree stand myself and always

736
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: saw a lot of deer, you know, mostly those in

737
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 1: young bucks. And UM, wandered always why I never consistently

738
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: saw mature bucks in those wooded areas. And over the

739
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: years I just kind of started paying attention and and

740
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: then I were the turning point was is why I

741
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: had a buddy take me along and kind of introduced

742
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: me to um, the running guns, spotting stock kind of

743
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: decoy game. And and at that point I was hooked

744
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: on that and and I really started digging in and

745
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 1: honing my own way of doing it. And uh and

746
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: so yes, I mean a couple of different points we

747
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: can cover, is you know, ground set up as far

748
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: as ground blind stuff like that. And then also, um,

749
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: how how I approach ground hunting and spotting stock and

750
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: running gun and whatnot. So, um, you know, to answer

751
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: your question, you know, I started out tree stand hunting

752
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: and then I realized real quick that to consistently kill

753
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: and see the biggest bucks, um, because of our terrain

754
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: out here, you know, the big bucks like to separate

755
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 1: themselves from the bigger herds or the does or the

756
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: small bucks or whatever they're they're very much you know,

757
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 1: to themselves, and and that's how they survived, you know,

758
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: the bigger mature bucks. The only time they're around the

759
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: other deer from what I've seen, is one at night

760
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: because they are doing their scent checking and and figuring

761
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: out when things are getting close to the rut and whatnot.

762
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: But you know, for the most part, when they're just

763
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: living their lives, they don't really like to hang out

764
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: with a lot of other deer. And so during the rut,

765
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,959
Speaker 1: um I've I've you know, we all find a whole

766
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 1: you know, get a whole bunch of trail camera pictures

767
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: through the night of mature bucks and and coming through

768
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: all of our tree stand areas, but never or rarely

769
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: see them during the daytime. And so that's when I

770
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: started kind of taking a step back. And basically those

771
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 1: areas where I hunted all either set up an observation

772
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:50,720
Speaker 1: stand to you know, see a lot of country first

773
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: thing in the morning or last light, and usually you know,

774
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: you see those mature deer standing up somewhere. It may

775
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: be you know, a half mile out in the middle

776
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:02,280
Speaker 1: of a CRP field or um in in one little

777
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: tiny patch of brush in a fence line that's way

778
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 1: away from everything else, and you realize real quick that

779
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: they're never going to make it to your tree stand

780
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: by shooting light or during shooting light. So you know,

781
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 1: in those circumstances, you have to go to them in

782
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 1: order to kill them. So what I would start doing

783
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: is figuring out a pattern from an observation stand or

784
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: sitting up on a hill watching behind a spotting scope

785
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: for a few days or a few you know, mornings

786
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: or whatever. So just taking a step back is a

787
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: huge benefit, and and just being very patient behind your

788
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: glass and then coming up with a really good game

789
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: plan and then and then at that point it's really

790
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: a kind of a natural thing to me, is either

791
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: you know, one you set up a ground line in

792
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,479
Speaker 1: a travel corridor that's very near their bedding area or

793
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,439
Speaker 1: during the rut, you know, say they have a dough

794
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 1: that they've found through the night and they've separated off

795
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: and taken out into these wide open spaces, and uh,

796
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: of course they're gonna bed those does down and they're

797
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: going to defend that dough for the whole time that

798
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: they're breeding them. And when they're satisfied they'll obviously go

799
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: on to the next but as you know, um, you know,

800
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: watching observing from a long ways away, watching how these

801
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: big bucks act, and you hopefully will get to see that.

802
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: I'm not sure the exact time frame that you're going

803
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 1: to Nebraska, but okay, well you should see. You know,

804
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 1: I'm guessing you'll see younger bucks that smell the hot

805
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 1: dough and they will be coming in and trying to

806
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: follow their nose to do what they do. You know,

807
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: they're they're they're to breed does So hopefully you find

808
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: a situation where you have a dominant buck bedded down

809
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: with the dough pinned down, and they you know, they'll

810
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: stand up randomly, you know, throughout the day and they'll

811
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 1: just kind of send checker and make sure that no

812
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: other bucks are approaching, and then they'll obviously fight to

813
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: keep that dough. Well, that is the single most important

814
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: thing to focus on, is as far as killing it

815
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: big mature buck. And why I say that is take

816
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 1: advantage of his high testosterone, his aggressiveness. And I like

817
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 1: to use a decoy, and you know, specifically I use

818
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: heads up decoys just because I'm you know, they're manufactured

819
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: here close to where I live, and I've become good

820
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: friends with Garrett. But anyway, I'll take it a buck decoy,

821
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: and I'll get the wind right and then I'll kind

822
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: of sneak in within you know, eighty yards or you know,

823
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: try to get as close as you can, um, and

824
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 1: then present that decoy. And because that buck is defending

825
00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: his dough, he is likely going to come and try

826
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: to defend that dough and he's gonna try to whip

827
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: your tail, you know. So UM, once I get within

828
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 1: that range where I feel like it's it's a good

829
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: time to present a decoy, UM, I'll do that and

830
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: then usually just be patient. Um. Reactions are going to

831
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: be different. You know. Sometimes it is instant where you

832
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: you better be ready with an aero knock and and

833
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: everything prepared, because sometimes it happens very quick. And sometimes

834
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: they'll stand up and they'll look at you and and

835
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: they'll just kind of, you know, see you, and and

836
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 1: as long as you're far enough away, they're okay with that.

837
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: And and it may be that, you know, eventually when

838
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: they get up, especially if the dog gets up and

839
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 1: and kind of feeds around a little bit, and if

840
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: she happens to see the decoy and it's curious and

841
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: kind of starts coming your way. Then he'll you know,

842
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: start getting aggressive at that point and try to get

843
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: between you and the dough and and potentially try to come,

844
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: you know, push you out. And so it happens differently

845
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: each time. It seems like and uh, but yeah, you

846
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: just have to be adaptive and behind the decoy and whatnot.

847
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: And we can go into kind of mounting and the

848
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: decoy and whatnot. So yeah, So so I want to

849
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: hit pause there because I want to I want to

850
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: get really deep into how you do this decoy thing.

851
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: But before we get to that, I want to rewind

852
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: a little bit more to the beginning and and kind

853
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: of answer a few questions that I know people are

854
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 1: having listening to this, Specifically people that maybe are hunting

855
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: further to the east or in the Midwest, and they've

856
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: been told their whole lives that, well, you can't kill

857
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: a buck on the ground because you're you're at eye

858
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: level with them, or they're just too spooky, or your

859
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: wind is gonna be in their face, or it's hard

860
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: to see stuff, or whatever it might be. There's all

861
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: these downside to hunting in the ground, and and for

862
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: a lot of years I was hearing those things too

863
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: and thinking myself, Man, you gotta be in a tree,

864
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: you gotta be in a tree. Um. But now you've

865
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: you've done this and you've been on the ground in blinds,

866
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 1: you've been spotting, stalking, you've used decoys, you spent a

867
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,439
Speaker 1: ton of time on the ground. So when you hear

868
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: those objections, what do you what do you say to

869
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: those objections? Is there truth to it? Or is it

870
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of worry and and concern

871
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: about nothing? Now there's there's definitely a lot of concern

872
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: about nothing. And to be real honest with you, I

873
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: I know that there are people listening who have had

874
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: that moment where they're sitting in a tree stand and

875
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: then they see a buck bedded down, you know, locked

876
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: down with a dough and and they sit there, and

877
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: they sit there and they think there's about a ten

878
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: percent chance or less of that dear standing up and

879
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: walking by. But your your darns, you're gonna put in

880
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: the time because you you have faith, you have hope. Right,

881
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: this sounds like two if even in heavily what it

882
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: areas if you have a small opening to where you

883
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 1: can see a dear bedded. You know, if you have

884
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 1: any terrain at all to be able to stock closer,

885
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: especially with having a decoy in front of you, I

886
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 1: would highly encourage climbing down as quietly as you can

887
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: and start the stock and get that decoy presented to

888
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 1: that deer, because again, his instinct is to protect what

889
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 1: he's got, and by you by him seeing a decoy.

890
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 1: And even if you incorporated grunt tube by giving some

891
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 1: vocalizations along, so you have you have a sound, and

892
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: you have a visual with the decoy. Then you have

893
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 1: movement with the decoy because you have it in your hand.

894
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 1: Those three things he will not be able to resist.

895
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,399
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say ninety five percent of the time. Are

896
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: you going to have situations where something doesn't go quite

897
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: right or if a doe sees you on your way

898
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 1: and bust out and messes up the whole thing. Yes,

899
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: but the chances of you killing that deer are way

900
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 1: way higher than that deer standing up and walking by

901
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: you in your tree stands. Is my argument, and so

902
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to try it every single time. Obviously, I'm

903
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 1: gonna use my hunting instincts to get myself in the

904
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: right position, make sure the winds right, make sure you

905
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: don't see any other dear on your way, and I mean,

906
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 1: it's it's all those things. But that's how I handle

907
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: that situation. I encourage people all the time that that

908
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:41,399
Speaker 1: don't think that this is an option for them. You know, Oh,

909
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,439
Speaker 1: it's just too thick. And I understand some people hunt

910
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 1: strictly woods and it's extremely difficult, you know, maybe impossible,

911
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 1: But if you have any openness at all, don't rule

912
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 1: it out, is all I would say. All right, So

913
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: that seems fair, and think you've convinced me that this

914
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: is something that could work, you know, in certain spots

915
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: in Michigan or Mississippi or New York, just as much

916
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 1: as it could work in Kansas. You just need to

917
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: kind of pick your spots in your time's right. So

918
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:19,240
Speaker 1: I do want to get into general open country stuff eventually.

919
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: I do want to get into some of your experiences

920
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: with ground blinds. But since we're talking about the decoy

921
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 1: moving in on them, let's just get into that. Let's

922
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: cover that in detail. Let's start there. Uh, So you

923
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: mentioned that use the heads up decoy for people that

924
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 1: don't know what that is can you describe specifically, like

925
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: what this thing is, how it works, because some people

926
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 1: probably aren't following you. You're thinking you're carrying a big,

927
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: twenty pound three D thing out there. Sure, So heads

928
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 1: Up decoy is is just a silhouette of a deer.

929
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: I know some people may know what a silhouette looks like.

930
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: You know, Montana decoy makes like a full body silhouette.

931
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,080
Speaker 1: But heads Up Decoy made one that's more mobile to

932
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: where it's only from like the neck up, and it's

933
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 1: it's I know when you look at it, um, you're thinking, man,

934
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 1: is that is that enough? Is that enough to convince

935
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: dear that you're a dear? And think about this. You

936
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: know a lot of times whenever a deer is standing

937
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: in any sort of cover at all, all you see

938
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: is the front shoulders up a lot of times. And

939
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: and at first I was honestly skeptical when I first

940
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 1: seen it and started using it. I actually, again luckily

941
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: had a guy you know, kind of had some good

942
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: experiences with it before and showed me. And and then

943
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: once you see it, you have to experience it and

944
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: understand it, and and yeah, tone to convince yourself that

945
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: it's the best idea. And so anyway to answer your question,

946
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 1: it's heads up decoy is a silhouette showing a dear

947
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 1: looking your direction. And uh, they make deer and and

948
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: antelope and elk and moose and whatever. But anyway, I

949
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: focus obviously on deer and and we thankfully have the

950
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 1: option out here where I live to experience mule deer

951
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: and white tail hunting, so I use both. But for

952
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:23,439
Speaker 1: this talking about white tails, I primarily use the white

953
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: tail buck decoy, um, just because I take advantage of

954
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: their aggression towards other bucks. But uh, there are circumstances

955
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: with mule deer. I like to use a doughe but

956
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: we can talk about that a later time. So that

957
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: that is what the heads of decoy is, and I

958
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: encourage everybody to either search it or you know, you

959
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: can look at you know, my YouTube channel or the

960
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 1: heads of Eco YouTube channel or or whatever you want

961
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 1: to do. But yeah, you'll see. How do do you

962
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: just hand hold it and stick it on the ground

963
00:53:55,719 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 1: or do you use a bow attachment? Ever? Talking about that, sure,

964
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: so there are different options. Um, they do have a

965
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 1: bow mount that you can um screw onto the pork

966
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:11,720
Speaker 1: where your stabilizer goes UM. Some stabilizers have a hole

967
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: on the end of the stabilizer that you can mount

968
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: it to your stabilizer, or you can remove your stabilizer,

969
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:22,839
Speaker 1: UM put this mount in place. UM, or you can

970
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: kind of put it behind your stabilizer. So you just

971
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 1: have to I mean, you just have to play with

972
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: what works best for you if you want to have

973
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 1: it on your bow. Now, if if I was in

974
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: an area where I knew things were going to happen

975
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 1: up close and personal, um, and and there's not a

976
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: lot of wind, I would not hesitate to put it

977
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: on my bow just because you know, you kind of

978
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,919
Speaker 1: have it hanging off to the side. So like say

979
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: I'm a right handed shooter, UM, it would the decoy

980
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 1: would kind of come up and to the left like

981
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: it's you know, uh, you know, a neck kind of

982
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 1: curves up kind of at at agree angle and then

983
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 1: obviously the head goes straight up. So any way, I

984
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 1: would use that on the left hand side to where

985
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:06,280
Speaker 1: when I'm getting ready to draw the bulk of my body,

986
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: my shoulders are behind that decoy. And then I would,

987
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: you know, have my decoy in the vertic or my

988
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 1: my bow in the vertical position to where I'm ready

989
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:19,959
Speaker 1: to draw at any time. Um. But out here where

990
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 1: I'm at a lot of times it's pretty windy, and

991
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 1: so I choose not to put it on my bow

992
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 1: most of the time. So I actually kind of built

993
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:35,280
Speaker 1: my own stand or steak. Um. And I know Garrett

994
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 1: with heads up is kind of currently working on some

995
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 1: different ways to do what I'm doing. Only make a

996
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:46,240
Speaker 1: you know, manufactured steak. But anyway, I'll take the bom

997
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 1: out and I'll actually bolted to kind of oh like

998
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 1: a plastic hot wire fenced steak or something you get

999
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 1: from the farm and home store, and it's got kind

1000
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: of a metal steak to it and you can poke

1001
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,280
Speaker 1: it down to the ground. Then it'll you can prevent

1002
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: it from rotating and stuff. So I'll put that down.

1003
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 1: I'll actually you have to cut those down a little

1004
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: bit and make them about now thirty inches taller, so

1005
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: and then you screw that bomb out to it, and

1006
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: then you can slide that decoy into that bow out

1007
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: and then you can have it. You can just carry

1008
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: it off to your side, just like you know you

1009
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,240
Speaker 1: would a bow or anything. You're just carrying it along

1010
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 1: and then when it's time to put that thing up.

1011
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 1: You just you know, put it out in front of

1012
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: you and say you're say you're walking in somewhere, And

1013
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: a lot of times I'll just have it, you know,

1014
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 1: I'll have my bow in my left hand and the

1015
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: decoy in the right hand already on that steak to

1016
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 1: where if I'm walking into, say a place where I

1017
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: want to set up to present a decoil, or say

1018
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: I'm walking into a ground blind set up. You know,

1019
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: even if I don't plan on using that decoy for

1020
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:51,839
Speaker 1: the hunt in the ground blind, I'll have it with

1021
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: me to where I'll just sit it out beside the

1022
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: blind or something, to where if I see a buck

1023
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 1: bedded down two yards away, I'm out, I'm out of

1024
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: the line and we're going, you know. And so or

1025
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 1: I like using it just to cover my movement. So

1026
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 1: if I'm sneaking into a tree, standard ground line. How

1027
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,359
Speaker 1: many times have you had a dough stand up and

1028
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 1: stare you down and then you you hit a knee

1029
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 1: and you're like, please, please don't bust me, you know,

1030
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: And so if you have something like that, even even

1031
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: if you're out in the prairie mule there hunting I'll

1032
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: have a dough decoy that I'm carrying to where if

1033
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 1: I hit a knee of something, if I see something

1034
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: moving or whatever, I'll hit a knee in and have

1035
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 1: that thing up in front of my face to where

1036
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 1: a lot of times I get by with it. They

1037
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: dismiss you, and they don't. They just kind of think, okay, well,

1038
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 1: that's that's what that noise was another deer, you know,

1039
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: and then they'll just kind of work off and you

1040
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: can sneak sneak, you know, the rest of the way

1041
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: in your tree stand. So anyway, Yeah, that's how I

1042
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: use it. Um. I like to have it on that

1043
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 1: steak just because when I'm working into an area where

1044
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 1: I want to, you know, kind of set up my

1045
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 1: perch to present the deek toy again. You know, there's

1046
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 1: kind of that sweet spot where I feel you don't

1047
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 1: want to get too close to the deer to present

1048
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: it or when you present it, just because when they

1049
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 1: stand up, they may be startled that you know, oh

1050
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 1: there's a deer way too close and that was that

1051
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 1: was in your face, you know. So I like to

1052
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: kind of have a little softer approach to where I

1053
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: kind of set up a spot around you know, seventy

1054
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: five yards or so, and uh, but anyways, I will

1055
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 1: stick that thing in the ground and I just kind

1056
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: of hide behind it and kind of clear out the

1057
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: area around me, you know, to where I'm I'm ready

1058
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: to maneuver and shoot on either side of the decoy.

1059
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 1: And the good thing about having it on that steak

1060
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: is you can kind of reach over and rotate that decoy.

1061
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: So like, as you know, sometimes they'll try to circle

1062
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: down wind and obviously you're you're gonna need to make

1063
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 1: a decision to make a shot before they completely get

1064
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 1: down wind, but you can kind of rotate that decoy

1065
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: as they're turning, and you can just kind of rotate

1066
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: your body and the whole decoy set up to where

1067
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: you're always going to be hidden behind it. So that's

1068
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,919
Speaker 1: why I like having hands free. Plus, when you pull

1069
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 1: your bow back, you know you're you're going to be

1070
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 1: leaning around the decoy to shoot or whatever, but you're

1071
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 1: you're completely hands freeing you don't have that thing hanging

1072
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 1: on your bow. But there are circumstances where I do

1073
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,919
Speaker 1: feel like having it on your bow is really nice

1074
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 1: because you're always going to be tucked in tight behind

1075
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: that decoy when it's on your bow too, So there's

1076
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 1: there's give and take to about every circumstance. You know,

1077
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 1: as you're describing that, one of the things that I

1078
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: am curious about actually actually happens before that whole presentation

1079
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: of the decoy. It's actually the question or the situation

1080
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 1: of when do you start trying to make your approach,

1081
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: because because I'm we're assuming like we've spotted a buck,

1082
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 1: we've spotted a buck that you want to shoot, and

1083
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 1: I guess this is a This is another question. Will

1084
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: you ever make a move on a buck with the

1085
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 1: decoy like this if he's solo? Or do you only

1086
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 1: ever used this when he's locked on a dough and

1087
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 1: it's one of those very specific buck on a dough

1088
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 1: trying to breed your kind of situations? Will you, well,

1089
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 1: we chase down a cruising buck or something like that,

1090
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 1: or is that a lost cause? Now a solo buck

1091
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 1: is I don't know if I want to say equally

1092
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 1: is effective? But you have a high percentage that he'll

1093
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 1: come in and take a look at you and probably

1094
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: challenge you just because what are we focusing on at

1095
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: this time? You know that time of your testosterone, right,

1096
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 1: So they're very territorial. They want to be the boss

1097
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 1: at all times. And and they're gonna see that decoy

1098
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: and they're gonna say, this guy is in my area

1099
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: cruising for the dose that I'm cruising for, and and

1100
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:48,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make sure he, you know, gets out of here.

1101
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: So that's gonna be the mentality that I have all

1102
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 1: the time. Now there. I will warn folks there have

1103
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 1: been times where you know, if if there's a buck

1104
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 1: buck and and say he's a three or four year

1105
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 1: old buck, if this, if you approach him with this decoy,

1106
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 1: you may make him go the other direction, just because

1107
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 1: that tells you one, he's not the dominant buck in

1108
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 1: the area. He's probably got his tail whooped already. And

1109
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 1: but the way I look at it is if if

1110
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 1: there's a buck that goes the other direction because he's

1111
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 1: been whooped, is that the deer that I want? You know,

1112
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 1: I focus on the most mature buck in the area,

1113
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: and and one that's very confident in that. And so

1114
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 1: that's what I like. You know, do you ever do

1115
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 1: you ever see young bucks coming in? Because I've seen

1116
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 1: young bucks coming to regular decoy. So if I want

1117
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 1: to kill a two year old or even like if

1118
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 1: I was out there just need to kill a buck

1119
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 1: of any type to fill a freezer, could I kill

1120
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 1: one like this? It is not out of the question.

1121
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 1: Ever for any age class of deer to come to

1122
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 1: a decoy. Are they going to be a little more

1123
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 1: reluctant or careful? Absolutely, But a lot of times a

1124
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 1: deer is a deer and their social animals they want

1125
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 1: to they want to know who it is, and so

1126
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 1: usually you're gonna have a reaction. They're gonna circle in

1127
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: and scent check or take a look or whatever. So

1128
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 1: you know, it's not out of the question. But just

1129
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 1: don't be disappointed if you know, how many times have

1130
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: you grunted or called it a buck and he goes

1131
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 1: the other direction because he's he's been down that road before,

1132
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 1: so exactly, So you know, just I was just warning folks,

1133
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 1: you know, don't be disappointed and say I'll throw throw

1134
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 1: the deco in the rand. Say this doesn't work, you know,

1135
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 1: So so I'm wondering also, like when do you know

1136
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 1: it's time to go? So let's let's imagine when you're

1137
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 1: you're up glass on a hill. In your case, you're

1138
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 1: hunting open country, you're up on a hill, you've been glassing,

1139
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 1: you spot a buck um do you always do you

1140
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 1: see that buck? And then it's like, go, okay, right now,

1141
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 1: we gotta get him. Or do you watch a while

1142
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 1: and try to let them bed or try to get

1143
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 1: them to slow down, and then once you know where

1144
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 1: they kind of slowed down, then you try to make

1145
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 1: a move. Can you walk me through that thought process,

1146
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 1: because I think that's probably a big fork in the

1147
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 1: road point for people. It's certainly a big It could

1148
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 1: make or break the whole deal. And what I tell

1149
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 1: people is any time they cannot see you say you

1150
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 1: need to cover ground, and it's just like a spotting

1151
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 1: stock situation without a decoy, when are you going to

1152
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 1: make your moot? Well, whenever they can't see you. So

1153
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: if they go into a thicket for a short time,

1154
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna There's been times where I've ran,

1155
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 1: I've sprinted, and I've told people with me, I'll prepare

1156
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 1: and say, okay, listen, they're about to go down in

1157
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 1: this ravine and as soon as they get out of sight,

1158
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 1: we're gonna sprint to that next yucka plane. We're going

1159
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 1: to sprint to that next fence line or whatever it is.

1160
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 1: And so it's chess match and you're you're constantly doing

1161
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 1: this until you're within that zone where you want to

1162
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 1: present that decoy and and you have to use your

1163
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 1: hunting instincts. And there's no magic potion or right answer

1164
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 1: because every single time your face with something different, obstacles,

1165
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 1: people driving by. You know, it's just a situation that

1166
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 1: you just have to make a decision. And do you

1167
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 1: make the right decision every time? No, But I've gotten

1168
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 1: to the point now where I've seen I've been through

1169
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 1: a lot of things that didn't work, and I've learned

1170
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 1: the lessons the hard way, and I'm my percentage is

1171
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 1: getting better by the day. You know, Do I have

1172
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 1: it completely figured out? Never? You know, but but I'm

1173
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 1: hopefully getting my percentage better each day. So yeah, I

1174
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 1: mean the answer is try to do your best to

1175
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: hunt without like you're hunting without the decoy, and and

1176
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:50,480
Speaker 1: get in those positions where you know it's a spot

1177
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 1: and suck situation. You're going to try to you know,

1178
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 1: get in there. Now. When I think back to say,

1179
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 1: someone who tree stand hunts and you know, they see

1180
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 1: one bedded down or down. And you know a lot

1181
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 1: of times if you're a tree stand hunting, there's gonna

1182
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 1: be plenty of cover um and and I would that's

1183
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 1: a slam dunk to me. Man If I if I'm

1184
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 1: able to climb down from a tree stand and I

1185
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 1: have any terrain at all to work in close to

1186
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 1: that that deer that's betted with a dough or whatever,

1187
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 1: even betted by himself, I'm going to use whatever terrain

1188
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 1: I can, you know, to use a drainage to circle around,

1189
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 1: you know, a little bit, to get on the other

1190
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 1: side of them, or whatever it is. I mean, So, yeah,

1191
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 1: I what do you think about this in that scenario?

1192
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 1: So envisioning trying to do this in you know, further

1193
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 1: to the east where I was. Let's say I'm tree

1194
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 1: stand hunting in Michigan and it's you know, November, and

1195
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 1: I decided, you know what, I'm gonna bring my decoy

1196
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 1: just in case I get in a scenario like this.

1197
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 1: So I'm up in the tree and then lo and behold,

1198
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 1: I see a big buck locked on a dough out

1199
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 1: there a hundred fifty yards in some thick, nasty, weedy

1200
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 1: stuff off and they bed down and I'm thinking, all right,

1201
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 1: this is why I brought that decoy. Let's do it.

1202
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 1: You know, I sneak out of my saddle, I get

1203
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 1: down to the bottom of the tree, I grab my decoy,

1204
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 1: and then I all of a sudden realize we'll shoot.

1205
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 1: I've got a hundred fifty yards between me and him,

1206
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 1: and I'm in some good bedding cover, so there's probably

1207
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 1: does around here. There's does bed and there's other deer.

1208
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 1: Do you worry about spooking all those other deer when

1209
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 1: you're moving in or do you say, you know what,

1210
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 1: it's an aggressive move. Some deer are gonna spook. That's

1211
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 1: okay because when this buck sees this buck that I

1212
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 1: hold up, he's not going to care about anything else.

1213
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 1: What's your take on that? Yeah, I would, being that

1214
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 1: you have the elevated position to you know, I would

1215
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 1: probably spend a little bit of time analyzing the area,

1216
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 1: you know, really focusing on Okay, did I see any

1217
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 1: did I see a dog group work into this area

1218
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 1: that you know? Can I avoid that area if I

1219
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 1: get down, Can I can I kind of maybe back

1220
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 1: out and circle around and avoid that little pocket of

1221
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:02,440
Speaker 1: does in order to get on the other side. Of

1222
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 1: that field or in in that other little drainage coming

1223
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 1: in that it will take me right to where he's

1224
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 1: bedded or whatever. Obviously, like I said, you still have

1225
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:14,040
Speaker 1: to make those decisions too, of you know, use your

1226
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 1: hunter instincts to avoid other deer um. But you know,

1227
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 1: if if one happens to spook um, if you have

1228
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:26,920
Speaker 1: that thicket cover, chances are that buck only has one

1229
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:31,440
Speaker 1: thing on his mind. And unless unless you spook the

1230
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 1: dough that he's with, you're probably gonna be a pretty

1231
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:37,240
Speaker 1: good spot because you know you're still in the game

1232
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 1: because if she doesn't leave, he's not leaving either. And

1233
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 1: and he's used to you know, the rut is a

1234
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 1: crazy time and the deer no that deer, you're going

1235
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 1: to be moving around all over the place, and he

1236
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 1: has one thing on his mind. He's gonna be locked

1237
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 1: down on and focusing. He's laser focused on that and

1238
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 1: that only, and until she stands up, he's not going

1239
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 1: to stand up. Or if he does stand up, he's

1240
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 1: gonna send check and read position in bed again. And

1241
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 1: so if you know, I would just be confident that

1242
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 1: as long as you put yourself in a position to

1243
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:12,400
Speaker 1: where you can get to him without messing his dough up,

1244
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 1: You're gonna be in good shape. Now, Is there ever

1245
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 1: a situation where you would see a buck you want

1246
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 1: and you would read the situation is one that you

1247
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 1: just can't make a plan, Like, is there ever if

1248
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 1: it's completely still with zero wind, or if he's in

1249
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 1: the middle of a stubble field and there's zero cover,

1250
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:33,760
Speaker 1: would you would you always go for it? Is there

1251
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:36,439
Speaker 1: always a way to make something work? Or are there

1252
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:38,679
Speaker 1: other things like that that are just Nope, this isn't

1253
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:40,560
Speaker 1: gonna work. I'm just gonna keep watching and hope he

1254
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 1: goes somewhere else or something like that. Yeah, I would

1255
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:48,559
Speaker 1: say that I would try to keep my position in

1256
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 1: an elevated spot, whether it's a tree stand or on

1257
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 1: a hill or whatever. And I would if if there

1258
01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 1: was just no way, And I've I've ran into those

1259
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 1: situations a lot of times, like you know, like a

1260
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:00,080
Speaker 1: wheat stubble filled or something you know, you only of

1261
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 1: like eighteen inches tall cover. And he he may be

1262
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:05,800
Speaker 1: out there for a reason because he's again he can

1263
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 1: see all other deer approaching and he wants to defend

1264
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 1: his dough. And I actually had this happen a couple

1265
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 1: of years ago, and so we you just have to

1266
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 1: sit and wait. And as you know, like we just mentioned,

1267
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:20,960
Speaker 1: the rut is a crazy time and if if you're

1268
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 1: not satisfied with the current situation, wait five minutes. You know,

1269
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 1: I mean it changes all the time with the rut.

1270
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 1: I mean, how many times have you seen, you know,

1271
01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:33,280
Speaker 1: a hot dog get up and move a hundred yards

1272
01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 1: and lay back down, you know, So just being patient

1273
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 1: is as long as you're in, as long as you

1274
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 1: have one in your sights. I would say, just be

1275
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 1: patient because likely it's likely he's going to move to

1276
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 1: a position where he's approachable before dark. Okay. So you

1277
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:50,479
Speaker 1: talked about the fact that when you decide to make

1278
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 1: that approach, that you're waiting till he can't see you,

1279
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 1: and you'd like to get within like seventy eight yards

1280
01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:02,600
Speaker 1: if possible, before you even consider presenting the decoy. And

1281
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:04,680
Speaker 1: we talked about sometimes you gotta run. You gotta cover

1282
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 1: that distance. Walk me through that point where you get

1283
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 1: to the you get close enough where you think, okay,

1284
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 1: I gotta go from covering ground mode to now it's

1285
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:18,679
Speaker 1: sneak mode. Uh, when do you shift into sneak mode

1286
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:21,719
Speaker 1: and give me the details like how slow are you going?

1287
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:26,360
Speaker 1: Are you belly crawling? Are you crawling on all fours? Uh?

1288
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:28,640
Speaker 1: How do you manage that? And how much? How much

1289
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 1: do you need to worry about that when you have

1290
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 1: a decoy versus when you don't, because I imagine that

1291
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 1: maybe you get away with a little bit more since

1292
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 1: you're holding that up in front of you. Maybe, uh,

1293
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:40,800
Speaker 1: talk to me about sneak mode for Travis Glassman. Yeah,

1294
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 1: so obviously, I, like anybody, I like to cover as

1295
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:47,759
Speaker 1: much ground on my feet just because it's comfortable. Um.

1296
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:52,879
Speaker 1: I minimize crawling or even belly crawling as much as possible,

1297
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 1: but there are times where it's necessary. And you know,

1298
01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:59,640
Speaker 1: I just turned forty and uh still young enough to

1299
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 1: do it. But each day goes by and it's like,

1300
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 1: you know, I would prefer to just walk, you know,

1301
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:09,680
Speaker 1: but anyway, Yeah, I mean I try to get as

1302
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:12,640
Speaker 1: close as possible to say, say there's a you know,

1303
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 1: a ground barrier, you know, whether it's a fence line

1304
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:18,799
Speaker 1: or a weed throw or a terrorist or whatever, and

1305
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:22,240
Speaker 1: and you're able to get as far as you can, well,

1306
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 1: then it's then once you get there, your glass and

1307
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, well here we go. We know that

1308
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 1: you know, this is it. We've got to either crawling

1309
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 1: all fours, which is usually what is usually all it

1310
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 1: takes is just kind of crawling on all fours, and

1311
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 1: like I said, I'll have my bow and my left

1312
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:39,559
Speaker 1: hand and the decoy on the steak in my right

1313
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 1: and it's just kind of like shuffling both pieces of

1314
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:45,639
Speaker 1: equipment ahead of me and just keep keep crawling as

1315
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 1: close as you can. And if it's super calm out,

1316
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 1: obviously you've got to be very careful and you've got

1317
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:52,200
Speaker 1: to kind of move things out of your way, whether

1318
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 1: it's moved weeds or you know, just kind of think

1319
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:58,479
Speaker 1: like a you know, a mountain lion where you're just

1320
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 1: doing one one arm at a time and you're, you know,

1321
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:05,840
Speaker 1: you're just sneaking in is is very slow as you

1322
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:09,639
Speaker 1: can and every little movement that you make has a purpose.

1323
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:12,880
Speaker 1: And but a lot of times, like I said, I'm

1324
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 1: thankful because we have some wind and it breaks up

1325
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 1: the noise and and you're able to kind of get

1326
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:21,559
Speaker 1: a little more aggressive, and so you're just kind of,

1327
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 1: you know, the only thing you're worried about is that

1328
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:26,559
Speaker 1: you're seeing you, So all you've got to do is

1329
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:28,400
Speaker 1: just keep your your head down and you can just

1330
01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:30,720
Speaker 1: kind of keep shuffling through all the cover and you're

1331
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:34,599
Speaker 1: just fine. So um, but yeah, I mean, just doing

1332
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:38,120
Speaker 1: your best to get within that range where you feel

1333
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 1: like you want him to see that you're a buck

1334
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 1: that's approaching him. That maybe fifty yards. You know, if

1335
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:47,640
Speaker 1: you're in thick cover, he may not see you at

1336
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:52,479
Speaker 1: fifty yards. Um. So every situation is different. And I

1337
01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:57,840
Speaker 1: would say try to present the decoy. I wouldn't I

1338
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't go to the extreme of trying to you sneak

1339
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:05,599
Speaker 1: within twenty yards and just popping up a decoy all

1340
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:08,120
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you know. And and I you know,

1341
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:12,760
Speaker 1: there may be points where some of the cover is

1342
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:15,240
Speaker 1: thick enough that you have to get very close. And

1343
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:18,760
Speaker 1: that's where I would probably introduce some grunt calls and

1344
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:21,880
Speaker 1: stuff like that, so you know, he's he's betted down

1345
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 1: tight and he's in heavy cover, and and I would

1346
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:27,719
Speaker 1: probably throw some soft grunts and have that decoy already

1347
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 1: up in front of me or on the stake in

1348
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 1: front of me, and I'll be clipped on my d

1349
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 1: loup just ready to pull back if he gets up

1350
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:39,879
Speaker 1: and starts marching in. If it happens, when it happens,

1351
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 1: it's usually going to be that he's not stopping. I've

1352
01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 1: never had him sprint and charge, but I have had

1353
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 1: them lay their ears back, get that glaze overlooking their eyes,

1354
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 1: and they they are coming. And if you haven't ever

1355
01:13:57,240 --> 01:13:59,400
Speaker 1: experienced it eye to eye, I know a lot of

1356
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:01,240
Speaker 1: people have seen it happened from a tree stand or

1357
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 1: whatever it is. You almost can't snap them out of

1358
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:08,880
Speaker 1: that trance. And a lot of people are like, well,

1359
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 1: don't they see you behind that decoy? They are so

1360
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:21,400
Speaker 1: fired up and and angry that I have seriously had

1361
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 1: to stand up and yell to snap them out of

1362
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:28,479
Speaker 1: the transit they're in, because I honestly think they don't

1363
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:33,120
Speaker 1: even look. I think that they're prepared for, um, you know,

1364
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 1: the other buck to react, and they're just prepared to

1365
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:39,759
Speaker 1: kind of curl up and just engage in a fight.

1366
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:43,639
Speaker 1: And yes, you know how, I mean, you know how

1367
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:45,040
Speaker 1: it is like I don't know if you've been in

1368
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:48,760
Speaker 1: a position where you're just so angry that something made

1369
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:51,560
Speaker 1: you just mad, you know, and and it it takes

1370
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:53,519
Speaker 1: like that's all you're focused on it. It takes a

1371
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 1: bit to kind of help, you know, get back to

1372
01:14:55,960 --> 01:15:00,400
Speaker 1: thinking normally. So if you're doing this and you have

1373
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:02,599
Speaker 1: a buck come in that you don't want to shoot,

1374
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:06,120
Speaker 1: is that what you literally have to do is like

1375
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 1: stand up and scare him away so that he hasn't

1376
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 1: charged you. There are times that you have to do

1377
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:13,639
Speaker 1: something to snap him out of that to get him

1378
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 1: to move on. Unfortunately. Yes, that's pretty wild. Um. Yes,

1379
01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:23,439
Speaker 1: So so let's let's imagine that you you snuck in,

1380
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:27,120
Speaker 1: you got within your comfortable range of that you know?

1381
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 1: Am I right? That seventy five yards is usually like ideal?

1382
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 1: Sometimes you'll go closer if you have to, But is

1383
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 1: that like your sweet spot? Yeah? I would say fifty

1384
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:38,559
Speaker 1: to seventy five is a good range. I mean sometimes

1385
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 1: you may not be able to get any closer and

1386
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 1: you have to to present it a little bit further away.

1387
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:47,200
Speaker 1: So last year, um, I was decoying and filming for

1388
01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 1: my wife's hunt and she was kind of right behind

1389
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:52,519
Speaker 1: me and I We've done this several times so we've

1390
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 1: kind of got it down now. But this buck was

1391
01:15:56,479 --> 01:16:01,680
Speaker 1: bedded with a dough in a corn stubble yield, and

1392
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:05,800
Speaker 1: the closest we could get was like a hundred and

1393
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:10,240
Speaker 1: fifty yards and the only option that we had is

1394
01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:12,800
Speaker 1: to sit and wait for the situation to get better

1395
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:15,439
Speaker 1: to where we could get closer, or to just sit

1396
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 1: down and present the decoy and hope for the best,

1397
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:21,680
Speaker 1: and which is what we ended up doing, thankfully. The

1398
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:24,759
Speaker 1: dough actually got up and saw that there was another

1399
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 1: dear our decoy and just slowly started feeding our direction,

1400
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:31,160
Speaker 1: just because I think she was curious. She she didn't

1401
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 1: put her head up on alert. She just looked at us,

1402
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:36,920
Speaker 1: went back to kind of feeding around, and she just

1403
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:39,680
Speaker 1: it took like an hour, but she finally made it

1404
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:44,840
Speaker 1: over our direction. And the buck would stand up and snort,

1405
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 1: wheeze at us from a hundred and fifty yards and

1406
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 1: would not come charge. He would not he he had

1407
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:54,040
Speaker 1: his dough far enough away that he was comfortable. But eventually,

1408
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:58,479
Speaker 1: when that dough closed the distance, he got between us

1409
01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 1: and the dough just to protect and finally he came

1410
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 1: into about thirty five yards and the dough I think

1411
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 1: he kind of like veered the dough away from us,

1412
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:12,639
Speaker 1: and she kind of started working away, and we knew

1413
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 1: that was our opportunity because as soon as the doe

1414
01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:16,799
Speaker 1: started leaving, we know he knew he was going to follow.

1415
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:21,080
Speaker 1: So in that situation, he never did a d commit,

1416
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:24,760
Speaker 1: but he came. He came to thirty five yards and

1417
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:26,719
Speaker 1: my wife made a perfect shot and it was great.

1418
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:32,920
Speaker 1: But I've also seen where you get an aggressive personality

1419
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:35,280
Speaker 1: and he may he may stand up at a hundred

1420
01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:38,320
Speaker 1: fifty yards and see that decoy and he's coming and

1421
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:40,559
Speaker 1: he doesn't care if he's leaving as though he's going

1422
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:44,719
Speaker 1: to run you off. So again, be prepared for about

1423
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:49,240
Speaker 1: any different situations. So in that case, when you just

1424
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 1: can't close any more ground, you guys in that case

1425
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 1: decided to wait it out to present and hope he

1426
01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 1: comes your way. Is there ever a time that you

1427
01:17:57,000 --> 01:18:00,280
Speaker 1: could actually sneak behind that decoy and just walk great

1428
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:02,640
Speaker 1: towards him, Like, is that Does that ever work? And

1429
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:06,400
Speaker 1: just just be crawling or walking knowing he sees you,

1430
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:08,439
Speaker 1: but you're behind the decoy and try to cover close

1431
01:18:08,479 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 1: the distance from one to forty or something. Does that ever?

1432
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:17,479
Speaker 1: So there has been times where I have done that. Um,

1433
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:21,600
Speaker 1: I would make sure that you have I would I

1434
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 1: use the rule of thumb. If you have tall enough cover,

1435
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:27,960
Speaker 1: so like say crp grass that's you know, waist high

1436
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:31,920
Speaker 1: or something that's going to break up your legs moving

1437
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:35,880
Speaker 1: too much. Um, that's that's what that's what makes my

1438
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:40,479
Speaker 1: decision for me, because if they see the deer sticking

1439
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:43,720
Speaker 1: up above, say crp grass or something that's natural, and

1440
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:47,360
Speaker 1: they don't mind if you approach them. I would do

1441
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:50,200
Speaker 1: it in small increments, so I would go twenty yards

1442
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:52,000
Speaker 1: at a time and hit a knee and just just

1443
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:54,479
Speaker 1: kind of read the deer and see if you can

1444
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 1: tell that they're not liking it. You'll be able to

1445
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:58,800
Speaker 1: They'll be able to tell you that real quick. You'll

1446
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 1: they'll kind of like put there your is back and

1447
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:02,639
Speaker 1: kind of turn and start walking a little bit away

1448
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:06,439
Speaker 1: or whatever. But if they're accepting it, or if they're

1449
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:09,160
Speaker 1: feeding and not caring, then you can just do you know,

1450
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:13,439
Speaker 1: ten increments at a time and definitely close that distance

1451
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 1: and then you may um get close enough that you

1452
01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:24,280
Speaker 1: trigger his aggression to to finally come at you. UM.

1453
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:26,000
Speaker 1: A couple of years I was probably five or six

1454
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:28,920
Speaker 1: years ago, we used a mule dear decoy. It it

1455
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:31,840
Speaker 1: was a dough on this mule dear buck and it

1456
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 1: was honestly a hell mary. And so there was a

1457
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:38,679
Speaker 1: mule deer buck with his dose out in a wheat

1458
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:42,519
Speaker 1: stubble field. Thankfully, the stubble was tall enough that it

1459
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 1: was doing just what I said, and it was kind

1460
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:49,040
Speaker 1: of covering our our lower body movement, and we did

1461
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:51,599
Speaker 1: exactly what you just said. The sun was kind of

1462
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:54,240
Speaker 1: setting in the west. I mean it was up still,

1463
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 1: so we were kind of like, you know, really bright,

1464
01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:01,200
Speaker 1: and the sun was on our face and on the decoy.

1465
01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:06,320
Speaker 1: We walked from a quarter of a mile across a flat,

1466
01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:09,280
Speaker 1: open wheat stubble filled and we did what I just said,

1467
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:12,160
Speaker 1: we would go increments, and we just kept getting closer

1468
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:16,759
Speaker 1: and closer and closer. And finally, that mule deer, because

1469
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 1: they're hurt animals. This is a totally different thing from

1470
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:23,280
Speaker 1: white tails. But he saw a deer approaching and his

1471
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:27,759
Speaker 1: instinct is, you know, kind of thinking of a hurt animal.

1472
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:31,720
Speaker 1: He wants to scent check that dough that's approaching, and

1473
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:33,960
Speaker 1: he wants to see if that dough that hasn't been

1474
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:36,920
Speaker 1: with him all day is getting close to breed or

1475
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:39,920
Speaker 1: I've also seen where a mule dear buck will circle

1476
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:43,679
Speaker 1: his doze similar to like an elk wood and they

1477
01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:48,280
Speaker 1: will push the herd to you two kind of gather

1478
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:52,080
Speaker 1: you all up and so that it does work to

1479
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 1: approach with the decoy out in front of you, But

1480
01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:57,280
Speaker 1: I would be careful because it's not high percentage. I

1481
01:20:57,680 --> 01:21:01,200
Speaker 1: have used it in a helm Mary situation. Okay, now

1482
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:03,640
Speaker 1: it seems like another one of the options you've mentioned

1483
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:06,640
Speaker 1: in a situation like this where at some point you

1484
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:09,000
Speaker 1: get as close as you can get or the cover

1485
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:10,920
Speaker 1: is you know, the cover is blocking you in some

1486
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 1: way or something, and you've you've said a couple of

1487
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:16,400
Speaker 1: times that sometimes you'll introduce some calling. Can you give

1488
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:19,640
Speaker 1: me a little more detail about specifically how loud is

1489
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:21,920
Speaker 1: it is it always grunts or snort wheels? Do you

1490
01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:24,400
Speaker 1: ever rattle? Do you ever do anything else? Like what's

1491
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:28,800
Speaker 1: what's the when and how on? On possibly calling? Sure,

1492
01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:33,519
Speaker 1: I would always recommend starting out as soft as you can, um,

1493
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:36,960
Speaker 1: just enough to get their attention. UM. Most of the time,

1494
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:39,960
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to do, if if they're not seeing

1495
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:43,280
Speaker 1: the decoy, UM is just get their attention, get them

1496
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:45,200
Speaker 1: to stand up, get them to see the decoy, because

1497
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:48,080
Speaker 1: that is going to be the time where they're going

1498
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:50,200
Speaker 1: to make that decision whether they're gonna come in or not.

1499
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:52,599
Speaker 1: So if I feel like I'm in a great position

1500
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:54,680
Speaker 1: and I don't want to, I don't want to get

1501
01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:58,760
Speaker 1: any closer, but they haven't seen the decoy yet, I'll

1502
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:02,439
Speaker 1: sit there for a while and let them naturally stand up,

1503
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 1: because that's going to be the least um impactful as

1504
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:12,920
Speaker 1: far as a potential negative effect. Um, I would let

1505
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:17,280
Speaker 1: them naturally see it if possible. But if I'm impatient,

1506
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:20,080
Speaker 1: or something's about to happen, the wind's gonna switch or whatever,

1507
01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:23,439
Speaker 1: I'll force it. I'll try to grunt as soft as

1508
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:25,840
Speaker 1: they can, give it to them to where it's not

1509
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:30,599
Speaker 1: you know, intrusive, and uh, let them see that decoy

1510
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 1: and make that decision on their own whether they want

1511
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 1: to come in or not. Um snort we'se too obviously,

1512
01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:39,000
Speaker 1: you know. Either one. If if they say they stand

1513
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:41,479
Speaker 1: up and they are with their dough and they're at

1514
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:44,400
Speaker 1: eight yards and they don't want to come in, then

1515
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:47,360
Speaker 1: then I'll do a snort wease and I'll do I'll

1516
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:49,439
Speaker 1: do a lot of different challenges like that, you know,

1517
01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:52,120
Speaker 1: some some louder grunting or some more snort, weezes or

1518
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:56,560
Speaker 1: whatever and try to get them angry enough to break away.

1519
01:22:56,760 --> 01:23:01,479
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I mean again, a visual plus the

1520
01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:05,240
Speaker 1: sound of a call, vocalizations, whatever, every single thing you

1521
01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:09,240
Speaker 1: do increase your chances. Rattling is the ever a tool.

1522
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:13,519
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be afraid of it. I normally don't carry

1523
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:17,880
Speaker 1: any rattles system um when I'm doing this type of

1524
01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:21,760
Speaker 1: run and gun hunting. Um. But it certainly does work,

1525
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:24,480
Speaker 1: and it certainly does get their attention. And I've obviously

1526
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:29,000
Speaker 1: we've all seen them react aggressively toward rattling too. So hey,

1527
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:30,800
Speaker 1: if if you want to try it, if you want to,

1528
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:33,120
Speaker 1: you know that's something I just haven't spent a whole

1529
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 1: lot of time. I mean, I've rattled a lot of

1530
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:36,759
Speaker 1: bucks in from a ground blind or a tree stand. Yes,

1531
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:40,559
Speaker 1: But um, as far as carrying something on this, you know,

1532
01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:43,920
Speaker 1: spawn stock situation, I normally don't that makes sense, But

1533
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:47,240
Speaker 1: it would work, Mark, I know it would. I saw

1534
01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:51,040
Speaker 1: one time when you were hunting with our fellow pale

1535
01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:54,280
Speaker 1: Jesse Coots, that there was a buck like running in

1536
01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:56,680
Speaker 1: the distance so quickly that you almost had to yell

1537
01:23:56,720 --> 01:24:00,320
Speaker 1: at it to get it to see your decoy. Um.

1538
01:24:00,360 --> 01:24:02,760
Speaker 1: So it really does like sometimes you just got to

1539
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:05,000
Speaker 1: get their attention somehow, and if they're getting out of

1540
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:07,600
Speaker 1: there and they still haven't seen you, you kind of

1541
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 1: gotta get crazy. It seems correct. And and honestly, you know,

1542
01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:14,439
Speaker 1: speaking of Jess, you know, we've spent a little bit

1543
01:24:14,479 --> 01:24:16,639
Speaker 1: of time together hunting and and he's always at who

1544
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:19,559
Speaker 1: And when he did that, that was something new to

1545
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:23,519
Speaker 1: me and I was like, man, that actually worked. I mean,

1546
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:26,200
Speaker 1: and they what it was is they just didn't know

1547
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:28,680
Speaker 1: what they heard. They didn't associate it at all to

1548
01:24:28,720 --> 01:24:31,880
Speaker 1: a human. It was just just like us making you know,

1549
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:33,800
Speaker 1: the vamp sound, you know, to try to get him

1550
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:35,800
Speaker 1: to stop. You know, it just we're doing whatever we

1551
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:37,400
Speaker 1: can to try to get him to stop. And so

1552
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:40,760
Speaker 1: he just try to snap him out of their their

1553
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 1: trance wherever they were headed and get him to stop

1554
01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:46,400
Speaker 1: and look. And that's exactly what happened, because that buck,

1555
01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:48,560
Speaker 1: he was one of those that was aggressive enough that

1556
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:51,400
Speaker 1: he's seen the decoy from two yards and he was

1557
01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:54,360
Speaker 1: coming and and it it's sometimes it happens that easy,

1558
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:58,680
Speaker 1: and it's fantastic. So yeah, I mean, there's times you

1559
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:01,559
Speaker 1: gotta do what you gotta do. I love it. I'd

1560
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:05,840
Speaker 1: love to see that situation unfold someday. So so okay,

1561
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:07,320
Speaker 1: the next thing I want to drill in a little

1562
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:10,120
Speaker 1: bit further on again something you mentioned, but I want

1563
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:13,720
Speaker 1: to get some some more insight. Is let's say that

1564
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:16,679
Speaker 1: buck is is coming in or you've set up, you've called,

1565
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:19,640
Speaker 1: you've got his attention in one way or another. Um,

1566
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:21,320
Speaker 1: and you mentioned that you have the option to have

1567
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:23,640
Speaker 1: in the decoy on the blow, so excuse me on

1568
01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:25,799
Speaker 1: the boat self. But in your case you use a steak.

1569
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:29,240
Speaker 1: What's the right way to set the steak? Like, what's

1570
01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 1: the right position? And what's the right position for you

1571
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:33,880
Speaker 1: the hunter? Like? Is it as a right handed shooter,

1572
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:36,439
Speaker 1: should I always stick in the ground kind of to

1573
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:38,679
Speaker 1: my left so I can shoot around the right side?

1574
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:41,240
Speaker 1: Do you do you kneel? Do you? I saw you

1575
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 1: once laying down almost on your side one time? Um?

1576
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:48,439
Speaker 1: Do you do you ever? Do you always draw while

1577
01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:50,080
Speaker 1: on your knees right behind the boat or do you

1578
01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:53,880
Speaker 1: ever be like crouch way down and then drawback as

1579
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 1: you stand up or as you come up onto your knees, Like,

1580
01:25:56,320 --> 01:25:59,080
Speaker 1: give me the specifics on that stuff, because that's I

1581
01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:04,040
Speaker 1: imagine those are very important moments. Yeah, so again learned

1582
01:26:04,040 --> 01:26:09,000
Speaker 1: a lot along the way. And the quick answer, as

1583
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:11,320
Speaker 1: far as you know, I'm just gonna fast I'll cover

1584
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:14,360
Speaker 1: everything you just ask, but to fast forward to how

1585
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 1: to draw around the decoy or how to shoot around

1586
01:26:16,479 --> 01:26:20,439
Speaker 1: the decoy, how to draw your bow. The general answer

1587
01:26:20,479 --> 01:26:24,639
Speaker 1: I give people is you do not need to worry

1588
01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:28,120
Speaker 1: near as much as you think you do on how

1589
01:26:28,160 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 1: to get your bow back, because again there's been times

1590
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:34,880
Speaker 1: where I've had to stand up and yell in order

1591
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:37,479
Speaker 1: to get these deer to snap out of coming into

1592
01:26:37,479 --> 01:26:39,920
Speaker 1: this decoy if I don't want to shoot them, so

1593
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:44,519
Speaker 1: use that use there. I mean, some deer are going

1594
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:47,320
Speaker 1: to be very curious. Some deer going to be very careful,

1595
01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:49,360
Speaker 1: and so you have to be a little more careful,

1596
01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:53,120
Speaker 1: but don't be afraid to make a movement to get

1597
01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:56,400
Speaker 1: your bow back. I would try to draw behind the

1598
01:26:56,439 --> 01:27:00,479
Speaker 1: decoy as much as possible if you need to, you know,

1599
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:03,559
Speaker 1: draw your bow pointing the ground and then lift it

1600
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:06,360
Speaker 1: up and and anchor and then lean out around the

1601
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:09,160
Speaker 1: decoy to shoot or whatever. I mean. Obviously, still be

1602
01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:12,439
Speaker 1: careful as much as possible. But if that deer is

1603
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:15,519
Speaker 1: coming and you don't feel like you can move at

1604
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:19,960
Speaker 1: all to get your bow drawn. Understand that if that

1605
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:24,439
Speaker 1: deer comes in and realizes that something isn't right, they're

1606
01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:27,000
Speaker 1: going to bolt away from you and you will have

1607
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:30,840
Speaker 1: never drawn your bow. So I would rather make a

1608
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:33,680
Speaker 1: little bit of movement to get to full draw. And

1609
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:37,639
Speaker 1: sometimes you know, I've waited till they're at five yards,

1610
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:41,320
Speaker 1: I've drawn when they're going through some cover out there

1611
01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:43,280
Speaker 1: at twenty yards and they're still coming. And you may

1612
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:44,920
Speaker 1: not shoot till they get to five yards, but at

1613
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:49,160
Speaker 1: least you're at full draw. And so don't be afraid

1614
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:52,000
Speaker 1: to get your bow drawn behind that decoy, because what

1615
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:56,080
Speaker 1: do dear do when they approached them? You're they're gonna move,

1616
01:27:56,360 --> 01:28:01,200
Speaker 1: I mean, dear, they're gonna expect movement because you're a dear,

1617
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:03,680
Speaker 1: you're an animal. You're you're moving around, and they have

1618
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:08,400
Speaker 1: not associated any danger at all to that decoy, otherwise

1619
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:11,599
Speaker 1: they wouldn't be coming in the first place. So don't

1620
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:14,599
Speaker 1: be afraid to do a little bit of movement, especially

1621
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:18,720
Speaker 1: if you're crouched down behind the decoy. I mean, my

1622
01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:21,240
Speaker 1: wife always asked me when do I draw? When do

1623
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:23,479
Speaker 1: I draw? Because you know, I'll be kind of guiding her,

1624
01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:25,439
Speaker 1: and she'll be right kind of in my back pocket

1625
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:27,200
Speaker 1: behind me, and I'll have the decoy in front of

1626
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:29,920
Speaker 1: me and probably running a camera and trying to arrange

1627
01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:33,439
Speaker 1: for and everything else. And she always asked me do

1628
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:36,320
Speaker 1: I draw? Do I draw? And I always say, stay patient,

1629
01:28:36,439 --> 01:28:38,800
Speaker 1: he's coming, You've got plenty of time. And she's she

1630
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:44,280
Speaker 1: always is worried that she cannot move. And every single time,

1631
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:47,360
Speaker 1: there's never been one time where she has not been

1632
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:50,519
Speaker 1: able to get to full draw, get to her anchor position,

1633
01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:56,280
Speaker 1: have plenty of time, and lean out and shoot because

1634
01:28:56,600 --> 01:29:02,040
Speaker 1: they just are bought into your a deer. So don't

1635
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:05,120
Speaker 1: don't let that scare you. I would say, always do

1636
01:29:05,240 --> 01:29:07,360
Speaker 1: what you know, be as careful as you can to

1637
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:09,320
Speaker 1: get the full draw. Don't try not to stand up

1638
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:11,439
Speaker 1: and do anything crazy and try to get the full draw,

1639
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:14,519
Speaker 1: and you know, but try to try to be as

1640
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:16,400
Speaker 1: sneaky as you can on doing it. But don't be

1641
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:19,960
Speaker 1: afraid to What I would say is make sure that

1642
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 1: you take an extra second get to full draw, make

1643
01:29:22,479 --> 01:29:26,080
Speaker 1: sure you've got everything lined up, and calmly lean out

1644
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:29,559
Speaker 1: and and get that deer in your sights. And of

1645
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:32,880
Speaker 1: course adrenaline. It plays a part in every situation like this.

1646
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:37,920
Speaker 1: You're you're extremely amped up, but make sure you're taking

1647
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:42,160
Speaker 1: extra time to you know, lean out and is it

1648
01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:45,479
Speaker 1: gonna be maybe a different position than you're used to

1649
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:48,000
Speaker 1: as far as shooting your bow. Yeah, probably. You know

1650
01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:51,120
Speaker 1: you're you're on your knees leaning out around a decoy,

1651
01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:54,320
Speaker 1: and you know, I would recommend shooting like that. You know,

1652
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:56,320
Speaker 1: stick something like that in the ground and lean out

1653
01:29:56,320 --> 01:29:58,920
Speaker 1: around it and shoot. Most of the time, you know

1654
01:29:59,160 --> 01:30:02,000
Speaker 1: your shots are gonna you very close, so you have

1655
01:30:02,040 --> 01:30:05,920
Speaker 1: some flexibility, you know, and so and then the other

1656
01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:09,200
Speaker 1: thing to talk about is a shot position as far

1657
01:30:09,240 --> 01:30:15,320
Speaker 1: as the deer approaching you. You know, some people don't

1658
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:19,639
Speaker 1: like taking the frontal shot. Some people. You know, there's

1659
01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:23,000
Speaker 1: been times where there's that little sweet spot between the

1660
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:27,040
Speaker 1: front shoulder and say the brisket, right, so there's that pocket.

1661
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:30,639
Speaker 1: Obviously we aim for behind the shoulder, but there also

1662
01:30:30,760 --> 01:30:32,599
Speaker 1: is a nice little pocket in front of the shoulder

1663
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:35,400
Speaker 1: if they're quartering to you, if you're at five yards.

1664
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:39,280
Speaker 1: Some of the most devastating kills I've had has been

1665
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:42,080
Speaker 1: facing on or quartering too. Now do I recommend taking

1666
01:30:42,439 --> 01:30:46,080
Speaker 1: a facing shot. Never, But if that's all you have,

1667
01:30:46,280 --> 01:30:50,479
Speaker 1: I've seen the quickest kills because it's direct heart shot,

1668
01:30:50,680 --> 01:30:52,639
Speaker 1: you know. I mean it's right there, close and personal.

1669
01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:55,439
Speaker 1: So you know, I don't know what to tell you

1670
01:30:55,479 --> 01:30:57,720
Speaker 1: as far as what to expect, but obviously the deer

1671
01:30:57,800 --> 01:31:01,120
Speaker 1: going to be approaching you, coming straight it in. Um

1672
01:31:01,120 --> 01:31:02,680
Speaker 1: I would say, try to be as patient as you

1673
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:04,479
Speaker 1: can if they kind of swing out away a little

1674
01:31:04,479 --> 01:31:06,800
Speaker 1: bit to try to get a broadside, but you know,

1675
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:10,920
Speaker 1: just be prepared. So what's is there is there a

1676
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:14,360
Speaker 1: distance when I'm just trying to think, like when do

1677
01:31:14,439 --> 01:31:17,240
Speaker 1: you shoot? Because I gotta believe one thing that's going

1678
01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:19,360
Speaker 1: through at least that's going to be going through my mind,

1679
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:21,639
Speaker 1: is I need to get an arrow in this deer

1680
01:31:21,680 --> 01:31:25,800
Speaker 1: before he kills me. When when is there ever a

1681
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:28,000
Speaker 1: point when you're like, Okay, I gotta do it now

1682
01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:30,000
Speaker 1: or never? So if he's faced on right now, I

1683
01:31:30,120 --> 01:31:32,800
Speaker 1: better take this shot otherwise he's coming at me. Or

1684
01:31:33,479 --> 01:31:35,360
Speaker 1: so because of that, do you try to take a

1685
01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:37,840
Speaker 1: twenty yard shot before he ever gets to within the

1686
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:40,080
Speaker 1: zone where you're worried about that? I mean, talk to

1687
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:43,200
Speaker 1: me about that whole decision, because I gotta believe that

1688
01:31:43,560 --> 01:31:45,439
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if I find myself in a

1689
01:31:45,479 --> 01:31:48,920
Speaker 1: position where it's maybe not the perfect shot that I'd

1690
01:31:48,920 --> 01:31:51,280
Speaker 1: love to have that great broadside shot. But if I

1691
01:31:51,320 --> 01:31:54,800
Speaker 1: don't do this, it's trouble. What's your mindset on all that?

1692
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:59,439
Speaker 1: So I would, uh, if a if a buck has

1693
01:31:59,479 --> 01:32:02,840
Speaker 1: committed and he's coming, it's very likely that he's going

1694
01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:07,040
Speaker 1: to come all the way. And you we've seen on

1695
01:32:07,960 --> 01:32:11,719
Speaker 1: TV a lot whenever whenever they get to about five

1696
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:15,920
Speaker 1: yards or so, they almost pause and it's kind of like, Okay,

1697
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:19,160
Speaker 1: now we're slowing way down and we're ready to charge

1698
01:32:19,160 --> 01:32:21,719
Speaker 1: at any given seconds. So that's like a ticking time bomb,

1699
01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:24,720
Speaker 1: you know, you don't you don't know when that's going

1700
01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:27,479
Speaker 1: to happen. So a lot of times I like to

1701
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:31,040
Speaker 1: shoot when they're coming in around that ten yard range.

1702
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:33,720
Speaker 1: That's kind of like when I like to I don't

1703
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:36,360
Speaker 1: really like to let him get inside ten yards too much.

1704
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:39,720
Speaker 1: I mean, uh, if you watch the video of my

1705
01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:42,320
Speaker 1: brothers a couple of years ago, it was like five

1706
01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:46,000
Speaker 1: yards and it was I mean, the arrow barely got

1707
01:32:46,040 --> 01:32:50,400
Speaker 1: out of the bow. Now was that arguably waiting too long? Maybe?

1708
01:32:50,439 --> 01:32:53,000
Speaker 1: But We really didn't have a shot before that because

1709
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:55,120
Speaker 1: he was coming through a lot of thick cover and

1710
01:32:55,160 --> 01:32:57,200
Speaker 1: he we had a little bit of a gap in

1711
01:32:57,280 --> 01:33:01,439
Speaker 1: the weeds about that of into five yard range and

1712
01:33:01,520 --> 01:33:05,639
Speaker 1: that's when he let the air loosen. But anyway, again,

1713
01:33:05,720 --> 01:33:08,920
Speaker 1: every situation is different, and I say, always use your

1714
01:33:08,960 --> 01:33:12,720
Speaker 1: instinct and you know, especially keeping yourself safe and if

1715
01:33:12,760 --> 01:33:15,439
Speaker 1: you can shoot one at fifteen yards before they get

1716
01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:18,080
Speaker 1: to that five yard danger zone, please do you know

1717
01:33:18,280 --> 01:33:21,479
Speaker 1: type of deal. So so, is there anything more on

1718
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:25,439
Speaker 1: that personal safety side of things that we should cover

1719
01:33:25,560 --> 01:33:28,080
Speaker 1: on this other than shoot as soon as you can

1720
01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:31,599
Speaker 1: and don't let him linger within that five yard zone

1721
01:33:31,600 --> 01:33:34,360
Speaker 1: when he pauses. Anything else, to know, to make sure

1722
01:33:34,400 --> 01:33:38,960
Speaker 1: we don't put ourselves in undue harms away obviously, know

1723
01:33:39,320 --> 01:33:43,639
Speaker 1: what seasons are in place. There have been times where

1724
01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:45,960
Speaker 1: and even in the last few years, I know, like

1725
01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:49,760
Speaker 1: Kansas introduced a kind of a later mid October do

1726
01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:52,160
Speaker 1: season and it's just random it gets thrown in during

1727
01:33:52,160 --> 01:33:55,479
Speaker 1: both season. So you know, always be mindful of people

1728
01:33:55,520 --> 01:33:57,720
Speaker 1: being out there with rifles, even if they happen to

1729
01:33:57,760 --> 01:34:00,080
Speaker 1: be you know, even if they're not supposed to be,

1730
01:34:00,200 --> 01:34:03,200
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying. So like, you know, if you're

1731
01:34:03,640 --> 01:34:06,320
Speaker 1: if you have some roads in sight and say there's

1732
01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:08,719
Speaker 1: a truck sitting up on the hill and watching everything

1733
01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:12,840
Speaker 1: you're doing or whatever, I just be careful. I would

1734
01:34:12,880 --> 01:34:15,600
Speaker 1: probably sit down, take the decoy down, see how the

1735
01:34:15,640 --> 01:34:17,880
Speaker 1: situation is gonna play out, let him, let him move on,

1736
01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:20,280
Speaker 1: because you never know when someone's gonna put a gun

1737
01:34:20,280 --> 01:34:24,120
Speaker 1: out the window, you know, I mean, obviously use your

1738
01:34:24,160 --> 01:34:26,760
Speaker 1: best judgment, do it, you know, take a pause, do

1739
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:29,240
Speaker 1: a three sixty, make sure that everything looks okay and

1740
01:34:29,560 --> 01:34:31,599
Speaker 1: you don't see any other hunters and stuff like that.

1741
01:34:32,200 --> 01:34:35,479
Speaker 1: Anytime you're holding a decoy, you have a small risk

1742
01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:40,680
Speaker 1: that you're taking um. But I've never had a close

1743
01:34:40,840 --> 01:34:45,000
Speaker 1: call um yet, thankfully, and I hope to never. But

1744
01:34:45,120 --> 01:34:48,360
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's like everything, I mean, just like Turkey.

1745
01:34:48,439 --> 01:34:51,120
Speaker 1: You know, Turkey fan hunting. You know you're holding a

1746
01:34:51,160 --> 01:34:53,360
Speaker 1: Turkey fan of course, you know people with the shotgun,

1747
01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:57,040
Speaker 1: you're if you come right in. But you know, everyone

1748
01:34:57,080 --> 01:34:59,840
Speaker 1: just used caution, and it says right on the decoy,

1749
01:35:00,040 --> 01:35:03,840
Speaker 1: use this with caution. There's a reason for it, common sense,

1750
01:35:03,920 --> 01:35:10,439
Speaker 1: right yep. What what else is there when it comes

1751
01:35:10,439 --> 01:35:12,439
Speaker 1: to using this? Have we have we missed, like any

1752
01:35:12,479 --> 01:35:15,600
Speaker 1: other important aspect of how this goes down or or

1753
01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:19,800
Speaker 1: things you're thinking about? Um am I missing anything? Or

1754
01:35:19,880 --> 01:35:21,320
Speaker 1: do you feel like I know the basics to be

1755
01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:24,360
Speaker 1: able to pull off a hunt like this. I think

1756
01:35:24,680 --> 01:35:29,200
Speaker 1: the basics has been covered, you know. I I know

1757
01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:31,679
Speaker 1: we briefly talked about it. I don't know if people

1758
01:35:31,720 --> 01:35:34,120
Speaker 1: caught it or not. But even if you are ground

1759
01:35:34,160 --> 01:35:37,240
Speaker 1: blind hunting or tree stand hunting, pick one of these

1760
01:35:37,360 --> 01:35:39,559
Speaker 1: up and just sit at the base of the tree,

1761
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:42,280
Speaker 1: throw a log on top of it, and have it.

1762
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:45,920
Speaker 1: They're available to where if you see a situation that

1763
01:35:46,040 --> 01:35:48,920
Speaker 1: you can climb down and and give yourself a lot

1764
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:52,640
Speaker 1: better chance of killing that buck, it's there. If you

1765
01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:55,240
Speaker 1: don't have it, then you're sitting there for the rest

1766
01:35:55,280 --> 01:35:57,000
Speaker 1: of the day hoping that deer stands up and the

1767
01:35:57,040 --> 01:35:59,120
Speaker 1: dough runs by your tree stand, you know. And so

1768
01:35:59,560 --> 01:36:03,479
Speaker 1: I would say, have something like that available, and then

1769
01:36:03,680 --> 01:36:08,040
Speaker 1: you know, try to uh everything, you know, everything is

1770
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:14,360
Speaker 1: all personal experience. So use these tips, but use your

1771
01:36:14,439 --> 01:36:17,439
Speaker 1: personal experiences to help you hone the way that you

1772
01:36:17,479 --> 01:36:19,599
Speaker 1: want to do it. I like the way I do

1773
01:36:19,640 --> 01:36:22,320
Speaker 1: it just because I've been through it all all the

1774
01:36:22,360 --> 01:36:26,280
Speaker 1: situations that lend themselves out here in Kansas. Well, if

1775
01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:27,920
Speaker 1: I go somewhere else, I'm not going to have as

1776
01:36:27,960 --> 01:36:31,439
Speaker 1: much experience with dear behavior, how they how how they

1777
01:36:31,479 --> 01:36:33,960
Speaker 1: work through the terrain that you're hunting, or anything like that.

1778
01:36:34,120 --> 01:36:37,200
Speaker 1: And so every situation is a learning experience. And again,

1779
01:36:37,240 --> 01:36:39,840
Speaker 1: do I have it completely figured out? Heck no, I'm

1780
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:44,360
Speaker 1: learning all the time. So I encourage folks too. You know,

1781
01:36:45,200 --> 01:36:46,680
Speaker 1: you feel free to reach out to me if you

1782
01:36:46,720 --> 01:36:50,720
Speaker 1: have questions. That's fantastic. But at the end of the day,

1783
01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:53,280
Speaker 1: you need to put in the experience. And you know,

1784
01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:55,240
Speaker 1: five years down the road, if you start doing this,

1785
01:36:55,360 --> 01:36:59,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna you're gonna have learned a whole bunch. So yeah, well,

1786
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:03,200
Speaker 1: what about a little bit more on the traditional ground game,

1787
01:37:03,520 --> 01:37:06,120
Speaker 1: which I know you've done plenty with as well, which

1788
01:37:06,160 --> 01:37:09,360
Speaker 1: is hunting from ground blinds or natural ground blinds. I

1789
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:12,120
Speaker 1: know you were hunting a deer a handful of years ago.

1790
01:37:12,200 --> 01:37:15,000
Speaker 1: You you called Big Louis, and I saw you sitting

1791
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:16,800
Speaker 1: in a tree stand one night for him, and you

1792
01:37:16,840 --> 01:37:18,519
Speaker 1: saw him off from the distance, and you realize, you

1793
01:37:18,560 --> 01:37:20,840
Speaker 1: know what, I gotta get on the ground and hunt,

1794
01:37:21,240 --> 01:37:23,640
Speaker 1: you know, from eye level. Can you talk to me

1795
01:37:23,800 --> 01:37:26,240
Speaker 1: just a little bit about what goes through your mind

1796
01:37:26,280 --> 01:37:28,280
Speaker 1: when you're making a decision like that, like when is

1797
01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:30,599
Speaker 1: it time to if you were tree stand hunting again

1798
01:37:30,600 --> 01:37:34,760
Speaker 1: in a situation like that, and you decide, okay, the

1799
01:37:34,760 --> 01:37:36,080
Speaker 1: only way to get to him is on the ground.

1800
01:37:36,479 --> 01:37:39,240
Speaker 1: Walk me through how you think about where to set

1801
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:41,120
Speaker 1: up a ground blind, when to set it up. Is

1802
01:37:41,240 --> 01:37:43,719
Speaker 1: a natural ground blend better than a pop up ground blind?

1803
01:37:44,280 --> 01:37:45,840
Speaker 1: Can you talk to me about where your heads down

1804
01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:49,640
Speaker 1: on that stuff? Sure? Yeah, So I always like to

1805
01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:55,439
Speaker 1: start with an observation stand or position. You know, sometimes

1806
01:37:55,520 --> 01:37:58,400
Speaker 1: tree stands aren't the best for an observation spot. But

1807
01:37:58,439 --> 01:38:00,800
Speaker 1: in this case, you're right. I was in a tree

1808
01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:05,280
Speaker 1: stand and and it wasn't a hypercentage area to kill

1809
01:38:05,360 --> 01:38:06,880
Speaker 1: this deer, but I knew he was staying in that

1810
01:38:06,920 --> 01:38:09,479
Speaker 1: field and what it was, and that circumstance was. It

1811
01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:12,960
Speaker 1: was just when both season started in in Kansas. We

1812
01:38:13,000 --> 01:38:15,520
Speaker 1: can hunt during the Muzzlader season, and it's mid September

1813
01:38:15,560 --> 01:38:17,880
Speaker 1: when that opens, but we have to wear orange for

1814
01:38:18,479 --> 01:38:20,880
Speaker 1: all of September until October one. Then wee can then

1815
01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:24,559
Speaker 1: the muzzla or seasons over. So in this case. Um,

1816
01:38:24,600 --> 01:38:27,800
Speaker 1: I was wearing orange observing in a tree stand this buck,

1817
01:38:28,200 --> 01:38:31,280
Speaker 1: which is the biggest buck I've killed. Um, he was

1818
01:38:31,439 --> 01:38:36,320
Speaker 1: stepping out of a standing. Uh we call it cane

1819
01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:39,240
Speaker 1: or or cattle feed. You know. Basically what they do

1820
01:38:39,360 --> 01:38:41,840
Speaker 1: eventually is they come in and swath it and rake

1821
01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:46,360
Speaker 1: it and bail it for winter feeding for cattle. And uh,

1822
01:38:46,400 --> 01:38:48,720
Speaker 1: I knew that it was a matter of time that

1823
01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:51,640
Speaker 1: that was going to be swathed and bailed. So I

1824
01:38:51,720 --> 01:38:54,280
Speaker 1: knew once that cover was gone, his pattern was completely

1825
01:38:54,479 --> 01:38:57,519
Speaker 1: going to change. So I hung a stand in a

1826
01:38:57,600 --> 01:39:00,200
Speaker 1: cedar tree row. So it just got me up, you know,

1827
01:39:00,400 --> 01:39:02,040
Speaker 1: eight to ten feet, just so I could see over

1828
01:39:02,160 --> 01:39:05,200
Speaker 1: top of this field. And I seen that, you know,

1829
01:39:05,320 --> 01:39:08,000
Speaker 1: from his neck up. I would see him walk some

1830
01:39:08,120 --> 01:39:10,360
Speaker 1: terrace channels to go out to the west edge of

1831
01:39:10,360 --> 01:39:13,200
Speaker 1: this field and he would stay in there until the

1832
01:39:13,240 --> 01:39:16,200
Speaker 1: sun set, and then he would walk across an open

1833
01:39:16,240 --> 01:39:20,840
Speaker 1: stubble field to get to another standing cornfield. And he

1834
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:25,600
Speaker 1: just loved that pattern. Now, I watched him do that

1835
01:39:25,680 --> 01:39:27,200
Speaker 1: a couple of nights, and so I thought, you know,

1836
01:39:27,640 --> 01:39:29,639
Speaker 1: it's time for me to get to the west edge

1837
01:39:29,720 --> 01:39:34,080
Speaker 1: of that field where he stands at, you know, and

1838
01:39:34,160 --> 01:39:36,920
Speaker 1: he gave me about ten to fifteen minutes of shooting

1839
01:39:37,000 --> 01:39:39,960
Speaker 1: light every day, and you know, and that that's all

1840
01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:42,720
Speaker 1: that he gave. So that was the only chance that

1841
01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:44,280
Speaker 1: I had. So there's no way I was going to

1842
01:39:44,360 --> 01:39:47,120
Speaker 1: kill him in that tree stand. So I ended up

1843
01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:50,280
Speaker 1: going down on the edge of that field and basically

1844
01:39:50,320 --> 01:39:54,080
Speaker 1: just cut some of the cane around me and just

1845
01:39:54,160 --> 01:39:57,400
Speaker 1: kind of tucked myself back off the edge to where

1846
01:39:57,840 --> 01:39:59,759
Speaker 1: when he stepped out on the edge of that field,

1847
01:40:00,240 --> 01:40:04,439
Speaker 1: when he looked down the edge in both directions, he

1848
01:40:04,479 --> 01:40:08,200
Speaker 1: could not see anything sticking out like a human. And

1849
01:40:08,280 --> 01:40:11,320
Speaker 1: so I was back, and so I I seriously had

1850
01:40:11,360 --> 01:40:15,280
Speaker 1: to I was sitting there with six to eight ft

1851
01:40:15,280 --> 01:40:22,639
Speaker 1: tall feed to my back, extremely excited for the moment

1852
01:40:22,760 --> 01:40:25,120
Speaker 1: that I would be able to lean forward and look

1853
01:40:25,160 --> 01:40:28,479
Speaker 1: either direction. Because he came out in different directions every night.

1854
01:40:29,920 --> 01:40:33,680
Speaker 1: I just kept visualizing in my mind this buck just appearing,

1855
01:40:34,120 --> 01:40:39,040
Speaker 1: and and that is exactly what happened. Again. I hunted

1856
01:40:39,120 --> 01:40:41,040
Speaker 1: him for several nights doing this, but I would pick

1857
01:40:41,080 --> 01:40:44,599
Speaker 1: the wrong trail or the wrong exit point every night,

1858
01:40:44,640 --> 01:40:47,120
Speaker 1: and finally I think it was, you know, the sixth

1859
01:40:47,200 --> 01:40:48,960
Speaker 1: or fifth or sixth night or whatever it was, in

1860
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:53,200
Speaker 1: a row and he stepped out and within bow range

1861
01:40:53,200 --> 01:40:54,800
Speaker 1: and I ended up ranging him and shooting him, and

1862
01:40:54,840 --> 01:40:57,639
Speaker 1: everything was fantastic. But you know, most of the time,

1863
01:40:57,720 --> 01:41:00,120
Speaker 1: I don't have a pattern where a big deer like

1864
01:41:00,200 --> 01:41:03,640
Speaker 1: that is given me a daylight opportunity. But you know,

1865
01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:08,160
Speaker 1: to answer your question, a natural blind is much better.

1866
01:41:08,280 --> 01:41:10,880
Speaker 1: And I will never use a pop up blind if

1867
01:41:10,920 --> 01:41:14,240
Speaker 1: I can get away with it, just because it takes

1868
01:41:14,479 --> 01:41:16,240
Speaker 1: some time for them to get used to that. Now,

1869
01:41:16,240 --> 01:41:19,000
Speaker 1: if you can set that thing up, you know, in

1870
01:41:19,040 --> 01:41:20,920
Speaker 1: the wide open and let them get used to it

1871
01:41:21,000 --> 01:41:24,160
Speaker 1: is just a normal thing. Dear see random things all

1872
01:41:24,200 --> 01:41:27,599
Speaker 1: the time. They see a pickup, they see a fuel trailer,

1873
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:29,920
Speaker 1: you know from the farmer. They see all of these

1874
01:41:29,960 --> 01:41:33,160
Speaker 1: things that they end up getting used to, uh, you know,

1875
01:41:33,240 --> 01:41:36,000
Speaker 1: whatever it may be. And and they're fine with that.

1876
01:41:36,040 --> 01:41:39,559
Speaker 1: But if I'm moving in quick, I do not like

1877
01:41:39,720 --> 01:41:42,640
Speaker 1: using anything that's gonna be new to the area. Otherwise,

1878
01:41:43,439 --> 01:41:46,280
Speaker 1: a mature buck like that's gonna be hesitant. Do you

1879
01:41:46,320 --> 01:41:48,519
Speaker 1: have any anything you've learned over the years when it

1880
01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:52,559
Speaker 1: comes to finding good spots or or making a good

1881
01:41:52,560 --> 01:41:55,719
Speaker 1: spot as far as a natural ground blind, any advice

1882
01:41:55,760 --> 01:41:59,760
Speaker 1: on how to do that the best way. I like

1883
01:41:59,840 --> 01:42:05,720
Speaker 1: to use natural um areas of cover, whether it's a

1884
01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:07,600
Speaker 1: fence line, because a lot of times, you know, the

1885
01:42:07,640 --> 01:42:10,360
Speaker 1: farmers can't get all the way up to the fences. Um.

1886
01:42:10,400 --> 01:42:12,439
Speaker 1: I like to use the natural weeds that are going

1887
01:42:12,479 --> 01:42:14,360
Speaker 1: around the fence line. Maybe it's a corner post or

1888
01:42:14,400 --> 01:42:17,519
Speaker 1: something like that. And and you can gather you know,

1889
01:42:17,640 --> 01:42:20,000
Speaker 1: a lot of vegetation from the surrounding area and bring

1890
01:42:20,040 --> 01:42:23,519
Speaker 1: it all in and and even that when you make

1891
01:42:23,720 --> 01:42:27,120
Speaker 1: a even a small change, you still have to have

1892
01:42:27,160 --> 01:42:30,000
Speaker 1: those deer getting used to that. But I always recommend

1893
01:42:30,040 --> 01:42:32,800
Speaker 1: getting out there and doing this well before you're wanting

1894
01:42:32,800 --> 01:42:35,200
Speaker 1: to hunt. You know a lot of times, all you know,

1895
01:42:35,360 --> 01:42:38,639
Speaker 1: I just set up a ground line last weekend, and

1896
01:42:38,920 --> 01:42:42,240
Speaker 1: it's not going to be very well hidden. But I

1897
01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:45,280
Speaker 1: did that with a whole month ahead of me knowing

1898
01:42:45,320 --> 01:42:48,479
Speaker 1: that it's any It's in a natural funnel where deer

1899
01:42:48,520 --> 01:42:51,080
Speaker 1: may move through there during the rut. It's a perfect

1900
01:42:51,479 --> 01:42:55,120
Speaker 1: travel corridor for a cruising buck. And and I like

1901
01:42:55,360 --> 01:42:57,599
Speaker 1: using the peak of the rut with the decoy situation

1902
01:42:57,600 --> 01:43:00,160
Speaker 1: that we've already talked about. But there is that week

1903
01:43:00,240 --> 01:43:02,160
Speaker 1: spot that we all like to hunt in the last,

1904
01:43:02,760 --> 01:43:04,920
Speaker 1: you know, last of October, in the first few days

1905
01:43:04,920 --> 01:43:08,240
Speaker 1: in November where those big bucks are ready, but they

1906
01:43:08,240 --> 01:43:11,720
Speaker 1: haven't found that dough yet. And if I have, you know,

1907
01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:13,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be hunting because I just love to hunt.

1908
01:43:14,080 --> 01:43:17,519
Speaker 1: And even though I may not have that perfect situation

1909
01:43:17,560 --> 01:43:19,760
Speaker 1: where I can go after a deer with the decoy,

1910
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:22,400
Speaker 1: I like still hunting, you know, a scrape here and there,

1911
01:43:22,520 --> 01:43:24,599
Speaker 1: or I like hunting a natural funnel here and there,

1912
01:43:24,840 --> 01:43:27,280
Speaker 1: you know, because there is a chance that he will

1913
01:43:27,360 --> 01:43:30,880
Speaker 1: move through. You know, I I'll still hunt just because

1914
01:43:30,920 --> 01:43:33,519
Speaker 1: it's that's what I do. But you know, the chances

1915
01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:37,160
Speaker 1: of seeing a big mature buck during daylight is, especially

1916
01:43:37,200 --> 01:43:40,960
Speaker 1: in the wide open country like this is somewhat slim.

1917
01:43:41,000 --> 01:43:44,519
Speaker 1: So what I like about the natural ground blind thing,

1918
01:43:44,920 --> 01:43:48,599
Speaker 1: and you you did this exactly with that big Louis hunt,

1919
01:43:48,680 --> 01:43:52,400
Speaker 1: is that you there's nothing holding you down from adjusting.

1920
01:43:52,680 --> 01:43:55,200
Speaker 1: So you saw him, he came out in a different place.

1921
01:43:55,200 --> 01:43:56,840
Speaker 1: You can make an adjustment the next night. You can

1922
01:43:56,880 --> 01:43:59,160
Speaker 1: make an adjustment the next day if you wanted. I mean,

1923
01:43:59,320 --> 01:44:02,400
Speaker 1: even with a mobile sticks in a saddle set up

1924
01:44:02,439 --> 01:44:05,479
Speaker 1: from a tree, there's still that, you know, work that

1925
01:44:05,520 --> 01:44:07,439
Speaker 1: has to go into to pulling your set moving to

1926
01:44:07,520 --> 01:44:10,680
Speaker 1: a new one, and that's much less than guys with

1927
01:44:10,720 --> 01:44:14,639
Speaker 1: portable I mean, with permanent sets. But when you're natural

1928
01:44:14,680 --> 01:44:16,760
Speaker 1: groundblind hunting, you're just you're just gonna go find a

1929
01:44:16,840 --> 01:44:18,880
Speaker 1: nice little spot to cozy up into and move some

1930
01:44:18,920 --> 01:44:21,439
Speaker 1: branches around, and you can do it, and you can

1931
01:44:21,479 --> 01:44:24,320
Speaker 1: make you know, you can make the perfect move, move

1932
01:44:24,400 --> 01:44:28,040
Speaker 1: to the perfect spot with zero inhibitions, like nothing that

1933
01:44:28,200 --> 01:44:30,240
Speaker 1: you have to worry about, like, gosh, this is gonna

1934
01:44:30,240 --> 01:44:32,280
Speaker 1: be a pain in the butt. No it's not. You're

1935
01:44:32,320 --> 01:44:34,639
Speaker 1: just literally gonna walk to the new spot and shift

1936
01:44:34,680 --> 01:44:37,400
Speaker 1: things around a little bit and bam, you're going. So

1937
01:44:37,439 --> 01:44:39,080
Speaker 1: what I like to do, Mark, and I think this

1938
01:44:39,120 --> 01:44:41,920
Speaker 1: would benefit you in Nebraska, is you know you have

1939
01:44:41,960 --> 01:44:45,880
Speaker 1: a backpack. I would get a low profile camp chair,

1940
01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:49,160
Speaker 1: something that sits low, or I even get the little

1941
01:44:49,200 --> 01:44:52,559
Speaker 1: turkey chairs that are they say, only a couple inches

1942
01:44:52,600 --> 01:44:54,120
Speaker 1: off the ground. You know that you can kind of

1943
01:44:54,200 --> 01:44:57,519
Speaker 1: lounge back. I'll strap that thing to my pack and

1944
01:44:57,640 --> 01:45:00,080
Speaker 1: I won't know where I'm hunting, but when I go in,

1945
01:45:00,200 --> 01:45:02,120
Speaker 1: I know that where the deer have been working, and

1946
01:45:02,439 --> 01:45:05,040
Speaker 1: I want to find, you know, an area that's going

1947
01:45:05,080 --> 01:45:07,439
Speaker 1: to be put me in a pretty good position, and

1948
01:45:07,479 --> 01:45:09,160
Speaker 1: I'll just kind of clear the weeds out of the

1949
01:45:09,200 --> 01:45:12,519
Speaker 1: grass or whatever, and I'll back myself up against the

1950
01:45:12,560 --> 01:45:14,800
Speaker 1: fence post with some weeds in it, or you know

1951
01:45:14,880 --> 01:45:17,559
Speaker 1: something like that, and I'll just try to sit crouched

1952
01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:20,920
Speaker 1: as low as possible, and like you said, just let

1953
01:45:20,920 --> 01:45:23,040
Speaker 1: the deer be the deer and let him move their

1954
01:45:23,120 --> 01:45:25,519
Speaker 1: natural way without throwing a ground blind up. And like

1955
01:45:25,560 --> 01:45:27,160
Speaker 1: you said, all you gotta do if you need to

1956
01:45:27,200 --> 01:45:31,479
Speaker 1: move it, maybe fifty yards, you can grab that chair

1957
01:45:31,479 --> 01:45:33,640
Speaker 1: and move on down the fence row or you know,

1958
01:45:33,800 --> 01:45:36,080
Speaker 1: wherever you need to be. So I like exactly what

1959
01:45:36,120 --> 01:45:40,680
Speaker 1: you just said. What about the the other thing to

1960
01:45:40,680 --> 01:45:42,519
Speaker 1: think about when you're hunding the ground And you already

1961
01:45:42,520 --> 01:45:45,120
Speaker 1: talked about this with the decoy, but it's different without

1962
01:45:45,120 --> 01:45:48,400
Speaker 1: a decoy is getting drawn getting in position for a

1963
01:45:48,439 --> 01:45:52,439
Speaker 1: shot and getting drawn from a natural ground blind position. Uh,

1964
01:45:52,560 --> 01:45:54,320
Speaker 1: can you talk to me about some of the things

1965
01:45:54,320 --> 01:45:57,320
Speaker 1: that you're either preparing for ahead of time or thinking

1966
01:45:57,320 --> 01:46:01,240
Speaker 1: about in the moment when not having that nice distraction

1967
01:46:01,280 --> 01:46:04,599
Speaker 1: of a decoy. Yeah, that's a tough one, and it's

1968
01:46:05,320 --> 01:46:08,160
Speaker 1: if you've done any spotting stock hunting at all um,

1969
01:46:08,280 --> 01:46:12,840
Speaker 1: you have to definitely pick your movements very carefully. And

1970
01:46:13,280 --> 01:46:16,080
Speaker 1: obviously when a deer's looking away or had his head

1971
01:46:16,120 --> 01:46:18,280
Speaker 1: down to eating or anything like that is the time

1972
01:46:18,320 --> 01:46:20,479
Speaker 1: where you want to draw and make your move to

1973
01:46:21,080 --> 01:46:22,960
Speaker 1: you might need to raise up six inches to shoot

1974
01:46:23,080 --> 01:46:27,920
Speaker 1: or whatever it is. And yeah, I mean, you're when

1975
01:46:27,920 --> 01:46:32,479
Speaker 1: a deer is potentially looking your direction, you're locked down

1976
01:46:32,720 --> 01:46:36,880
Speaker 1: and you can't do anything. And you know, I would say,

1977
01:46:36,920 --> 01:46:40,439
Speaker 1: don't do anything abrupt do even if you draw your bow,

1978
01:46:40,920 --> 01:46:44,280
Speaker 1: practice drawing your bow as slow as you can, you know,

1979
01:46:44,439 --> 01:46:47,200
Speaker 1: and and just try try doing that because if they

1980
01:46:47,240 --> 01:46:49,400
Speaker 1: happen to be looking away, but maybe they can still

1981
01:46:49,439 --> 01:46:52,960
Speaker 1: see you out of your out of their peripheral you can.

1982
01:46:53,520 --> 01:46:56,400
Speaker 1: You can get by with it by just slowly getting

1983
01:46:56,400 --> 01:47:01,479
Speaker 1: your bow back and getting on target before they you know, jump,

1984
01:47:01,840 --> 01:47:05,080
Speaker 1: you know. So yeah, I mean I don't have a

1985
01:47:05,120 --> 01:47:06,800
Speaker 1: great answer for you as far as when to draw

1986
01:47:06,840 --> 01:47:09,040
Speaker 1: your bow without a decoy. It's just you have to

1987
01:47:09,120 --> 01:47:12,720
Speaker 1: read the deer's body language and try to make your

1988
01:47:12,760 --> 01:47:19,840
Speaker 1: best decision on when you can move. Final question, I've

1989
01:47:19,880 --> 01:47:26,880
Speaker 1: seen you hunt in crocs. Do you recommend that? I

1990
01:47:26,960 --> 01:47:29,679
Speaker 1: am so glad you brought that up, I do not

1991
01:47:29,920 --> 01:47:34,040
Speaker 1: recommend this. That was uh the rookie tip of the year,

1992
01:47:34,280 --> 01:47:38,080
Speaker 1: meaning don't do what I did. And you know, so

1993
01:47:38,320 --> 01:47:41,559
Speaker 1: I'm a guy who, um, I've got a lot of

1994
01:47:41,560 --> 01:47:43,840
Speaker 1: things going on. I've got a you know, a busy job.

1995
01:47:43,880 --> 01:47:47,680
Speaker 1: I've got three kids at home, as as many folks do.

1996
01:47:47,800 --> 01:47:49,400
Speaker 1: They have a lot of things going through their mind.

1997
01:47:49,520 --> 01:47:51,479
Speaker 1: And we don't always do the best job of throwing

1998
01:47:51,479 --> 01:47:54,120
Speaker 1: all of our gear in the truck. Now I recommend

1999
01:47:54,160 --> 01:47:58,439
Speaker 1: during hunting season, uh, getting all every piece of gear

2000
01:47:58,560 --> 01:48:02,200
Speaker 1: in your truck and parking your truck to where whenever

2001
01:48:02,240 --> 01:48:03,920
Speaker 1: it's time to go hunting, you don't really have to

2002
01:48:03,960 --> 01:48:06,040
Speaker 1: think too much about, you know, if I have it

2003
01:48:06,120 --> 01:48:09,280
Speaker 1: or not. Well, that day, you're right, I did not

2004
01:48:09,640 --> 01:48:12,040
Speaker 1: pack my boots and all I did. All I had

2005
01:48:12,080 --> 01:48:15,480
Speaker 1: was crocs too go hunting or to get me from

2006
01:48:15,520 --> 01:48:18,960
Speaker 1: you know, my house to the hunting area. And uh, unfortunately,

2007
01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:20,519
Speaker 1: when I got out to put on my boots on

2008
01:48:21,360 --> 01:48:24,920
Speaker 1: and uh, yeah, my boots aren't there. So I ended

2009
01:48:24,960 --> 01:48:27,320
Speaker 1: up hunting that evening and crocs. Thankfully it was during

2010
01:48:27,360 --> 01:48:30,799
Speaker 1: that September hunt where it was still like eighty degrees

2011
01:48:31,160 --> 01:48:34,080
Speaker 1: and it did not hurt my hunt. Really, I just

2012
01:48:34,200 --> 01:48:36,519
Speaker 1: was sitting down in that on the edge of that

2013
01:48:36,560 --> 01:48:39,920
Speaker 1: field after Big Louis Um and my crocs. So what's

2014
01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:42,040
Speaker 1: nice about those crocs? They have all those holes, so

2015
01:48:42,360 --> 01:48:46,519
Speaker 1: they really vented really nicely so your feet wouldn't overheat, right, Yeah,

2016
01:48:46,640 --> 01:48:50,439
Speaker 1: I was definitely uh not overheating that night, but the

2017
01:48:50,800 --> 01:48:54,839
Speaker 1: stinch of my feet, you know, was was nicely escaping

2018
01:48:54,880 --> 01:48:59,040
Speaker 1: through the holes of the CROs. So Travis, this is

2019
01:48:59,680 --> 01:49:02,200
Speaker 1: this is fun, Like I'm just I am excited to

2020
01:49:02,280 --> 01:49:05,679
Speaker 1: put this kind of thing into play. Ah, Is there

2021
01:49:05,720 --> 01:49:09,920
Speaker 1: is there any final words of advice or final reminders

2022
01:49:10,280 --> 01:49:12,599
Speaker 1: or anything you want to leave with people if they're

2023
01:49:12,640 --> 01:49:15,280
Speaker 1: considering taking to the ground more often, whether it be

2024
01:49:15,880 --> 01:49:19,320
Speaker 1: with a decoy or without anything that we haven't touched on,

2025
01:49:19,360 --> 01:49:22,920
Speaker 1: you want to make sure we touch real quick. The

2026
01:49:23,000 --> 01:49:30,680
Speaker 1: last comment is get aggressive. It's the rut you if

2027
01:49:30,720 --> 01:49:32,920
Speaker 1: you're passive during that time frame and we will we

2028
01:49:32,960 --> 01:49:37,400
Speaker 1: all live for November. So get aggressive, whether it's with

2029
01:49:37,520 --> 01:49:40,200
Speaker 1: or without a decoy, even if it means get down

2030
01:49:40,240 --> 01:49:44,479
Speaker 1: from a tree stand and sneak, sneak to within, you know,

2031
01:49:44,560 --> 01:49:48,720
Speaker 1: get get a hundred yards closer. Two a bedded buck

2032
01:49:48,760 --> 01:49:52,879
Speaker 1: with a doe. Your chances are getting greater the closer

2033
01:49:52,920 --> 01:49:56,080
Speaker 1: you get, even if it's creating yourself a nice little

2034
01:49:56,120 --> 01:49:58,240
Speaker 1: ground blind that we just talked about, a natural blind

2035
01:49:58,320 --> 01:50:00,840
Speaker 1: that's closer to where when they get up, it's likely

2036
01:50:00,880 --> 01:50:03,080
Speaker 1: they feed down this little drainy drive beside you or

2037
01:50:03,120 --> 01:50:07,599
Speaker 1: whatever it is. Get aggressive because you're you're doing yourself

2038
01:50:07,640 --> 01:50:11,120
Speaker 1: a favor by putting the odds more so in your favor. Yeah,

2039
01:50:11,439 --> 01:50:14,240
Speaker 1: I love it well. For people that want to follow

2040
01:50:14,240 --> 01:50:17,160
Speaker 1: along with with your videos or anything you're doing, where

2041
01:50:17,200 --> 01:50:19,840
Speaker 1: can they see where can they learn more? See more

2042
01:50:19,880 --> 01:50:24,440
Speaker 1: from you? Travis? You can just simply search Travis Glassman

2043
01:50:24,600 --> 01:50:28,280
Speaker 1: on YouTube and I have a personal page there. Um.

2044
01:50:28,320 --> 01:50:30,880
Speaker 1: I started that just by you know, just to share

2045
01:50:30,960 --> 01:50:34,479
Speaker 1: hunts with buddies and whatnot, because they you know, you

2046
01:50:34,520 --> 01:50:37,160
Speaker 1: can tell stories all day long, but they really are

2047
01:50:37,240 --> 01:50:39,880
Speaker 1: able to see it on YouTube? Uh, and then on

2048
01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:44,520
Speaker 1: Instagram Travis Underscore Glassman, you can follow along there. I

2049
01:50:44,560 --> 01:50:48,080
Speaker 1: post pretty much all my hunting adventures on there. So

2050
01:50:48,360 --> 01:50:50,200
Speaker 1: how do have a Facebook page as well? I don't

2051
01:50:50,320 --> 01:50:52,439
Speaker 1: do as much hunting stuff. If I do, if I

2052
01:50:52,479 --> 01:50:55,040
Speaker 1: am successful, you'll see a picture on there. But I

2053
01:50:55,080 --> 01:50:57,880
Speaker 1: don't do as much you know, story or anything like

2054
01:50:57,960 --> 01:51:01,320
Speaker 1: that as I do Instagram. Well, uh, it's great. I've

2055
01:51:01,320 --> 01:51:03,680
Speaker 1: really enjoyed watching the videos and falling along with what

2056
01:51:03,720 --> 01:51:05,840
Speaker 1: you've got going on. It is Uh, it looks like

2057
01:51:05,880 --> 01:51:08,240
Speaker 1: a very fun way to hunt. So I appreciate your sharing,

2058
01:51:08,280 --> 01:51:12,360
Speaker 1: your your experience and insight. Sure, I'm honored to be

2059
01:51:12,400 --> 01:51:14,439
Speaker 1: on here, Mark, thanks for asking, and I'm always glad

2060
01:51:14,439 --> 01:51:16,479
Speaker 1: to help. So if anyone wants to reach out, feel free,

2061
01:51:16,520 --> 01:51:18,599
Speaker 1: and and especially you Mark, if you're out in Nebraska

2062
01:51:18,640 --> 01:51:21,880
Speaker 1: and need something, I'm not too far away, so give

2063
01:51:21,880 --> 01:51:23,479
Speaker 1: me a call and I'll be glad to help you.

2064
01:51:23,520 --> 01:51:25,320
Speaker 1: Gotta be careful what you offer. I'm gonna be hitting

2065
01:51:25,320 --> 01:51:29,519
Speaker 1: you up soon. Thanks. Don't hesitate, don't hesitate, take care man,

2066
01:51:30,120 --> 01:51:33,200
Speaker 1: And that's it today. I hope you enjoyed this special

2067
01:51:33,280 --> 01:51:37,400
Speaker 1: two parter with my good old buddy Dan Johnson, longtime

2068
01:51:37,439 --> 01:51:40,120
Speaker 1: co host on the show, now the purveyor of Sportsman's

2069
01:51:40,200 --> 01:51:42,519
Speaker 1: Nation the Nine Finger Chronicles. Make sure you check out

2070
01:51:42,560 --> 01:51:45,280
Speaker 1: all the great stuff he's doing there with his own gig,

2071
01:51:45,800 --> 01:51:49,600
Speaker 1: and big thanks to Travis Glassman as well. Fascinating discussion.

2072
01:51:49,960 --> 01:51:52,640
Speaker 1: Can't wait to put this into action out there in Nebraska.

2073
01:51:53,040 --> 01:51:55,799
Speaker 1: And uh without all the way. Thank you for listening.

2074
01:51:55,880 --> 01:51:58,280
Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming along for the ride, tuning in

2075
01:51:58,320 --> 01:52:00,840
Speaker 1: for this one. Best of luck out there on your

2076
01:52:00,840 --> 01:52:05,519
Speaker 1: own hunts, and until next time, stay Wired to Hunt

2077
01:52:11,760 --> 01:52:12,200
Speaker 1: m HM.