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Speaker 1: if you noticed anything about George during that time. He
Speaker 1: wasn't the same George that I knew. There are Facebook
Speaker 1: messages between her and Hannah may rodin days before Hannah
Speaker 1: May was murdered, in which they talked about this issue
Speaker 1: of custody and how the Wagners wanted Hannah May to
Speaker 1: sign over custody of her daughter. He was a lifelong
Speaker 1: friend of Billy Wagner. He cooperated with the BCI and
Speaker 1: he actually warned that Chris Senor that if you have
Speaker 1: trouble with them, they will harm you or kill you.
Speaker 1: If George would have just let me go outside to
Speaker 1: cool off with it, then we would probably still be married.
Speaker 1: All I wanted was five minutes to cry outside alone.
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Speaker 1: season four, episode eleven, The Many Faces of George. I'm
Speaker 1: Courtney Armstrong, a television producer at KATI Studios, along with
Speaker 1: Stephanie Leidecker and Jeff Shane. It's important to note that
Speaker 1: George Wagner the Fourth, along with his father Billy Wagner,
Speaker 1: whose child is upcoming, deny any wrongdoing and have pleaded
Speaker 1: not guilty to all charges. We're picking up where we
Speaker 1: left off last episode with Prosecutor Angie Kaneppa examining Tabitha Clayton,
Speaker 1: George Wagner the Fourth's ex wife, on the stand. Can
Speaker 1: you tell us what time of the day this argument
Speaker 1: first started, and I don't mean any exact time though.
Speaker 1: Was it the afternoon, was it the evening? It was
Speaker 1: near evening, Yeah, it started to get dark, okay. And
Speaker 1: did you have any more contact with them while you
Speaker 1: were still there hiding under George's truck? No? Did you
Speaker 1: see any of them? They are flashlights? You said they
Speaker 1: were flashlights plural, more than one flashlight? Yes? And at
Speaker 1: this point where were you? I was still underneath the
Speaker 1: George's truck, okay, under the cab basically, okay, okay, in
Speaker 1: the front tires. Did they find you? Did they eventually
Speaker 1: give up looking for you? Yes? And what did you
Speaker 1: do it? At that point? I got out from underneath
Speaker 1: of the truck and went to the barn and got
Speaker 1: my bicycle, and you got on you You got your bicycle,
Speaker 1: you said, And what did you do? I left? I
Speaker 1: went to the gas station up the road by McDonald's.
Speaker 1: And can you tell us at that point was it dark? Yes? Okay, propably,
Speaker 1: how far is that to the gas station driving? It's
Speaker 1: about five or ten minutes. And can you tell us
Speaker 1: why were you hiding from them? I didn't want to
Speaker 1: get shot. And did you make it to the gas station? Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: did you encounter anybody along the way? Yes? Tell us
Speaker 1: who George and Jake in their red suburban And what
Speaker 1: did they say to you? They were trying to get
Speaker 1: me to get in the car so we could go home.
Speaker 1: Did you agree to get into the car? What, if
Speaker 1: anything did you say to them? They told him middle
Speaker 1: isn't going to live with film if they're going to
Speaker 1: hit me. And what happened then? Or did you tell
Speaker 1: them where you were going? I told him that I
Speaker 1: was going to go to the gas station so I
Speaker 1: could call her mom so she can come and get me.
Speaker 1: And is that what you did? Yes. Here's legal analyst
Speaker 1: Mike Allen, followed by Stephanie and Jeff. This is key
Speaker 1: testimony for the prosecution because, unlike so many of the
Speaker 1: other witnesses, this really kind of centers on George, and
Speaker 1: she's the prosecutors painting a picture of what kind of
Speaker 1: a person George was, and you know, according to her,
Speaker 1: it wasn't a very good person. We've never been able
Speaker 1: to connect with Tabitha personally. We've spoken to her mother,
Speaker 1: we've spoken to her sister and hearing her accounts firsthand
Speaker 1: of something that we've we've heard versions of this story
Speaker 1: of that night when she had to run out of
Speaker 1: the house, but really hearing it out of her own
Speaker 1: mouth was something really powerful. He's living in an event
Speaker 1: that is nothing more and nothing less than traumatic. Picturing
Speaker 1: her even just biking away in the night, trying to
Speaker 1: escape and then the boys pulling up in that car
Speaker 1: telling her to get in. You know how tap she
Speaker 1: must have felt. After the incident that Tabitha described on
Speaker 1: the stand, the Waggoners ended up filing a domestic violence
Speaker 1: claim against her, claiming that she dragged her baby across
Speaker 1: the floor. Now, they later dropped these charges. Tabitha and
Speaker 1: George were married, therefore George had automatic rights in the
Speaker 1: state of Ohio because they were married, so she literally
Speaker 1: had to write her rights away and did whether she
Speaker 1: knew what she was signing or not. It was around
Speaker 1: the same time that Tabitha was becoming close with victim
Speaker 1: hannahme Rodin, who as we know, was having similar custody
Speaker 1: issues with her boyfriend Jake Wagner. Tabitha ran through some
Speaker 1: of the Facebook messages she and Hannah had shared at
Speaker 1: the time. She begins by recounting an exchange about being
Speaker 1: able to share her son with George Wagner. Hannah Rodin
Speaker 1: asked me if I've gotten to see lately. I said, no,
Speaker 1: not yet. Every time my set a day to see him,
Speaker 1: George has something to do or somewhere to go. He
Speaker 1: tells me he will message me back when he gets home,
Speaker 1: but then he never messages me back. Hannah says, oh,
Speaker 1: I would be really upset. I would say I'm scared
Speaker 1: to death that they are going to try and take
Speaker 1: I said, all I am, and it kills me. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, since y'all was not married, she goes to
Speaker 1: you automatically, and he is the one that gets to
Speaker 1: see her every other weekend or whatever. Hannah says, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, but they could fight that. I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: but they judge ain't gonna take her away from you.
Speaker 1: You have a good home and people to help take
Speaker 1: care of her. She says, I know. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: get me a place as soon as possible in a job.
Speaker 1: I said, I mean, if George would have just let
Speaker 1: me go outside to cool off of it, then we
Speaker 1: would probably still be married. All I wanted was five
Speaker 1: minutes to cry outside alone. Then there was an incident
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, right before the murders, during a visit
Speaker 1: with her son at the Wagner's, Tabitha's newborn daughter was
Speaker 1: seemingly poisoned. Was there another time that something happened after
Speaker 1: you had visited your son at the Wagner residence? Yes?
Speaker 1: And can you tell us do you recall when that
Speaker 1: would have been? Was around most day or Easter? And
Speaker 1: what year would that have been? Do we call twenty
Speaker 1: and sixteen and can you tell us what happened? My
Speaker 1: six month little daughter became unresponsive, so we took her
Speaker 1: to the emergency room where they did tests and found
Speaker 1: the drugs in her system. Tell me, first of all,
Speaker 1: this was a child of horse. Yes, she was six
Speaker 1: months old in the time. Yes. And had she been
Speaker 1: with you at the Wagon residence that day? Yes? And
Speaker 1: tell us what kinds of interactions she had with the
Speaker 1: other people in the home. She had stayed on my
Speaker 1: hip for a while until Angela had asked to see her,
Speaker 1: and so I gave her to rorists so she could
Speaker 1: see her while I went and use to the restaurant.
Speaker 1: Other than that time period where you win the restroom.
Speaker 1: Was your daughter out of your view while you were
Speaker 1: at the blackness? And did you make it back home
Speaker 1: before you noticed that about your daughter as far as
Speaker 1: her physical condition, yeah, I had made it home, okay.
Speaker 1: And when you say she was unresponsive, what do you
Speaker 1: mean by that? She was just laying there staring out
Speaker 1: into space. I went to pick her up and she
Speaker 1: was as limber as a new one. And what did
Speaker 1: you do as a result about I had both my
Speaker 1: husband and we took it in the emergency room okay,
Speaker 1: and dremmy hall where you went the SMC and you
Speaker 1: indicated that they did some tests And do you know
Speaker 1: what driveway found in her system? Zan X? Were you
Speaker 1: prescribed xanax your husband? No? Do you have any xanax
Speaker 1: in your home at all? You know? And have you
Speaker 1: been anywhere else that day? No? And as a result
Speaker 1: of that, was there a Children's Service investigation? Yes? Okay?
Speaker 1: And did both you and your husband submit to drug tests?
Speaker 1: We did, but they did not do them at the
Speaker 1: hospital okay. Did you volunteer to do them at the hospital, yes,
Speaker 1: but you didn't take tests later about a week later okay.
Speaker 1: And were those negative? Yes? It was all very shocking
Speaker 1: testimony for the prosecution, showing that George might have had
Speaker 1: violent tendencies and was also tightly bound to his family,
Speaker 1: but the defense mounted a strong cross examination. They began
Speaker 1: with Tabitha's affair with her friend Whitney's father Jay, and
Speaker 1: the trust issues are created in her marriage. And who's
Speaker 1: Whitney's father? Do you know? Yes? Who is your father?
Speaker 1: Cecil Smith? Cecil Smith? And how do you know? How
Speaker 1: well do you know Cecil Smith? Very well? Okay? And
Speaker 1: Cecil also goes by the name Jay. Is that right? Yes? Okay?
Speaker 1: And at some point you had some revelation to tell
Speaker 1: George about Jay, right? Yes? What was that? What was
Speaker 1: the reason? Well? Yeah, what was the revelation? What did
Speaker 1: you have to tell him? I had told him that
Speaker 1: I cheated on him? Okay? With with Jay? Right? And
Speaker 1: in pactas was more than just one occasion, right? Yes?
Speaker 1: And how old is Jay? Not twenty five? Thirty years older?
Speaker 1: You were about seventeen maybe other time. No. I didn't
Speaker 1: get back with George until I was about eighteen ninety.
Speaker 1: Defense attorney Richard Nash also points out that Tabitha and
Speaker 1: her siblings had been sexually abused by her mother's husband, Dave.
Speaker 1: The defense side of this as a quite reasonable reason
Speaker 1: why the Wagners did not want Tabitha bringing their grandchild
Speaker 1: around to family. The perpetrator, the person who victimized you.
Speaker 1: That's Day right, Yes, And Day is your mother's husband.
Speaker 1: Was he's dead? Now he's dead? And when did he die?
Speaker 1: About five years ago? I think, okay. And your mother
Speaker 1: was aware of the things that Day did to you. Yes,
Speaker 1: And not only did he do these awful things to you,
Speaker 1: but he did him to your sisters. Yes. Now, when
Speaker 1: you left the Wagner home, we'll get to this more
Speaker 1: in depth, but that's where you went, was the home
Speaker 1: with Day right, Yes, And George did not want his
Speaker 1: little boy living in the same home on his day.
Speaker 1: Is that what he told you? Yes, okay, that seems
Speaker 1: like a pretty rational thing to not want your child
Speaker 1: around the child molester. Right. Yes, you don't fault George
Speaker 1: for not wanting his son to be there, right, that
Speaker 1: was a no. Yes, that was a no. I don't
Speaker 1: blame him. And your mother was an enabler to these
Speaker 1: things that had happened to you and your sisters. Yes.
Speaker 1: The defense also killed Tabitha on her mental health and
Speaker 1: whether she was doing enough to tend to him. Now
Speaker 1: that I have refreshed her recollection, do you recall telling
Speaker 1: David Jenkins you had a perfect life with your husband, yes,
Speaker 1: and who you're referring to as George, right, Yes, Okay.
Speaker 1: Now back to George and living with him, He had
Speaker 1: various jobs, right, Yes, For a while he worked at
Speaker 1: Bennetts and Medford, yes okay, And then for some time
Speaker 1: he was hauling cattle right, yes. And when he would
Speaker 1: haul cattle he would be gone for like a week
Speaker 1: on or a week off. Yes, okay. Now back to
Speaker 1: that situation where you had cut your arms? Did you
Speaker 1: ever seek any help for that? The only reason I
Speaker 1: done it was because George and Angela won't shut up
Speaker 1: the many I learned about getting back on zoloft, even
Speaker 1: though I told him the last time I was on
Speaker 1: zooloft it didn't end well. Zolo Okay. So you have
Speaker 1: been prescribed zoloft, is what you're telling us? Yes? And
Speaker 1: for what reason? Or do you prescribed zoloft depression by poland? Right?
Speaker 1: And you have said you would agree with me that
Speaker 1: you've said that you don't like taking medication, right, Not
Speaker 1: that one enough, okay, any other medication you didn't like
Speaker 1: taking a Ldelino. Then there were the continued claims of
Speaker 1: different ways that George had been abusive, But the defense
Speaker 1: took this moment to dissect and try and undercut Tabitha's testimony.
Speaker 1: You ask you about that incident when you had left
Speaker 1: the Wager home, if I'm not mistaken, Well, first off,
Speaker 1: you had discussed that incident with the BCI agents, right
Speaker 1: about me? Leading about me got in my arm about
Speaker 1: the incident when you left. You've been questioned about that,
Speaker 1: and you and you told them what happened, right, Yes?
Speaker 1: Would you agree with me though, that when you talked
Speaker 1: to the BCI agents you with him that you and
Speaker 1: George were horse playing, playing around with the belt? Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: and it's Michault. I don't hear that. Well you said,
Speaker 1: what now with the belt? Yes, with the belt? But okay, Now,
Speaker 1: you would agree with me that you never told any
Speaker 1: BCI agent that there was playing with a belt? Right? What?
Speaker 1: You never mentioned a belt to a BCI agent, right,
Speaker 1: I'm it's part of that night. I'm pretty sure I did. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, But you've always said that it was just
Speaker 1: the two of you horse plane or plane around? Right? Yes?
Speaker 1: At first it was okay, So maybe I misunderstood your
Speaker 1: testimony on direct examination, but it sounded to me as
Speaker 1: if you were saying that he was like assaulting you
Speaker 1: with a belt. That's not true, right, That's not what
Speaker 1: I said, okay, And I may be wrong, but I'm
Speaker 1: just making sure that I understand you correctly. You weren't
Speaker 1: testifying that he was assaulting you with a belt, right, No.
Speaker 1: I did not say he was assaulting me with belt, okay.
Speaker 1: And it was just you guys were playing around right
Speaker 1: in the beginning, yes, okay. And then Angela, I guess
Speaker 1: I wanted you guys to stop, yes, because I yelled
Speaker 1: at her precious baby. Okay, Um, all right. And you
Speaker 1: wanted to leave the house, right, yes, And when you
Speaker 1: went to leave, George had put his arm on the
Speaker 1: door so you couldn't leave, yes, okay. Now this was
Speaker 1: in November, right, yes, okay. And when you left on
Speaker 1: your bicycle it was dark, right, yes, okay. And so
Speaker 1: how much time went by from when you're trying to
Speaker 1: leave and when you actually fled on your bicycle it
Speaker 1: was dark? I don't know, maybe an hour. No, I'm
Speaker 1: not clear about this disagreement you went into You had
Speaker 1: to go into a courtroom in front of a judge
Speaker 1: before you could divorce or dissolve your marriage, right yes.
Speaker 1: And when you stood in front of that judge, the
Speaker 1: judge trained you that you were agreeing to George being
Speaker 1: the sole customer, right yes. And the judge also made
Speaker 1: sure you understood that all visits would be supervised, right yes.
Speaker 1: And you were asked if you understood that, and you
Speaker 1: said yes, yes, okay, And there was nothing in there
Speaker 1: about changing these things at a later time, right now, okay.
Speaker 1: And so it's fair to say those were your wishes,
Speaker 1: right exactly what the judge had made sure you understood. No,
Speaker 1: that's not my wishes. George told me that it was
Speaker 1: only temporary, that's what was supposed to have been done.
Speaker 1: And whenever I got my own place, in my own job,
Speaker 1: then I could have him back and would do the fifty.
Speaker 1: I think that if we moved out then we would
Speaker 1: probably still be together, because I still love him, I
Speaker 1: really do. I always have and always will. But I
Speaker 1: couldn't hank having to ask to do something with my
Speaker 1: own son. We're going to take a break. We'll be
Speaker 1: back in a moment. As the defensive cross examination continued
Speaker 1: to pay Tabitha in a more uncertain light, it was
Speaker 1: hard to know exactly what to make of her accusations.
Speaker 1: Here's long crime reporter and Jeanette Levy, she has been
Speaker 1: through a lot. And also you know the fact that
Speaker 1: there are Facebook messages between her and Hannon A. Rudin
Speaker 1: days before Hannah May was murdered, in which they talked
Speaker 1: about this issue of custody and how the Wagners wanted
Speaker 1: Hannah May to sign over custody of her daughter that
Speaker 1: she had with Jake. And it was kind of sad
Speaker 1: to hear Tabitha say that, literally, she still loves George.
Speaker 1: I mean this was back in twenty sixteen, of course,
Speaker 1: but it sounded like she still loved him and if
Speaker 1: they had ever been able to move out on their own,
Speaker 1: they probably would have still been together. She said she
Speaker 1: had told George she wanted them to move out and
Speaker 1: to get their own place. She thought it would help
Speaker 1: their relationship. And she said that George said, we're a
Speaker 1: farm family. We have to live together here again, Jeff
Speaker 1: and Stephanie during cross exam, it really painted a picture
Speaker 1: of Tabitha versus the Wagoners, which, as we know at
Speaker 1: the time, Tabitha was a young woman in her late
Speaker 1: teens early twenties, and the Wagoners were kind of a
Speaker 1: force to be reckoned with. It seems like she kind
Speaker 1: of just wanted all of the turmoil end and just
Speaker 1: be a mom to her son, and somehow signing this
Speaker 1: paperwork and doing what the Wagner's want it seemed like
Speaker 1: the path of least resistance to her. I think this
Speaker 1: testimony seems relevant to the charges that George Wagner the
Speaker 1: fourth is facing, because not only does it paint a
Speaker 1: picture of George as someone who is abusive and cruel,
Speaker 1: but also the fact that he really moved in a
Speaker 1: unit with his family, which then, as we know, is
Speaker 1: what the prosecution is saying, happened with the planning and
Speaker 1: execution of these murders. And it also speaks to a
Speaker 1: bit of a pattern, a pattern in custody. Correct, does
Speaker 1: that mean it's a pattern in murder? I'm assuming those
Speaker 1: links are still to come. Aside from Tabitha, the jury
Speaker 1: also heard from two other key witnesses, both of whom
Speaker 1: opted out of being recorded on the stand. The first
Speaker 1: was Frankie Rowden's ex girlfriend who he shared a child with.
Speaker 1: Here's Anteinette with insight into that testimony. I think the
Speaker 1: jury seemed really interested in testimony since she had a
Speaker 1: relationship with Frankie Roden, she is the mother of his
Speaker 1: oldest son, and you know, she had some things that
Speaker 1: were interesting that she was able to tuttle the jury.
Speaker 1: You know, she talked about getting a phone call from
Speaker 1: Hannah May in twenty fourteen which sounded terrifying. That she
Speaker 1: said that Angela Wagner ran out of the house and
Speaker 1: chased Tabitha out of the house with a shotgun, and
Speaker 1: that Jake and George and Hannah all followed, and that
Speaker 1: Jake told her not to leave the house. If she did,
Speaker 1: he would chop off her legs. I mean, that's terrifying.
Speaker 1: After a meeting in his chambers, Judge Daring emerged to
Speaker 1: tell the jury that the phone call between Hannah and
Speaker 1: Frankie Roden's ex girlfriend was probative evidence only. This is
Speaker 1: to say, it's meant to prove a relevant fact in
Speaker 1: the case, but can not be used to cast a
Speaker 1: shadow over the Wagner's character. The second witness is Jeff Tackett,
Speaker 1: a one time friend of Billy Wagner's. The pair became
Speaker 1: friends when they were just thirteen years old. Jeff worked
Speaker 1: at the Wagner family's Flying w Farms and once went
Speaker 1: hunting with the entire Wagner family. According to Tackett, George
Speaker 1: Wagner flew into a rage when his father killed a deer.
Speaker 1: Before he did, George went home early. Tackett testified that
Speaker 1: George was moody and erratic due to the pain pills
Speaker 1: he took. These were pills that Angela allegedly plied him with.
Speaker 1: Tackett was also with Billy in the days leading up
Speaker 1: to the murders. After the massacre, Tackett believed Billy had
Speaker 1: something to do with it and started working with the BCI.
Speaker 1: He agreed to wear a wire and inform on the
Speaker 1: Wagner's Mike Allen. He was a lifelong friend of Billy Wagner.
Speaker 1: He cooperated with the PCI, and he actually wore a wire.
Speaker 1: He saw Billy Wagner days before the murder in a
Speaker 1: room filled with weapons, and that is I think very relevant,
Speaker 1: again a peripheral relevance maybe to Georgie's guilt or innocence,
Speaker 1: but in telling the tale and telling the story of
Speaker 1: the Wagner family, it's important. He worked sometimes at the
Speaker 1: Flying w Farm, which was the family farm, because he
Speaker 1: was helping to break some horses. He knew Chris Senior,
Speaker 1: Frankie Hannah May, and Chris Junior and said that he
Speaker 1: warned Chris Senior that if you have trouble with them,
Speaker 1: they will harm you or kill you. Here again, Anjeanette
Speaker 1: Jeff Teckett described the Wagners as being very close, like
Speaker 1: a cult. He's been around the Wagners a lot. He's
Speaker 1: been around Frederica Wagner a lot. He talked about Frederica
Speaker 1: Wagner even gave him a percocet for pain one time
Speaker 1: because he was having an issue, and he said it
Speaker 1: made him feel dizzy, and he told her never to
Speaker 1: give him something like that again. So he didn't want
Speaker 1: anything to do with that. But he did provide a
Speaker 1: lot of interesting information about the Wagners and the fact
Speaker 1: that he believed that Billy Wagner was involved in these
Speaker 1: homicides after seeing all of those items in his bedroom.
Speaker 1: Let's stop here for another break. Here's Angie Kneppa examining
Speaker 1: the next witness Samantha's Staley. Samantha is a longtime friend
Speaker 1: of both Jake and George Wagner's. She has appeared on
Speaker 1: the podcast before and has a history with Jake Wagner.
Speaker 1: Was there a time when you were intimate with Jake Wagner? Yes? Okay?
Speaker 1: And can you tell us who's who initiated that he did? Okay?
Speaker 1: And if you can just tell us what his purpose was.
Speaker 1: So one summer I got a phone call he did
Speaker 1: not know how to have in a course, I guess
Speaker 1: he asked me if I could help him out, Being
Speaker 1: young and dumb, I guess, I said sure, why not?
Speaker 1: And it was a one time plan. So we just
Speaker 1: did what we did, okay. And do you recall approximately
Speaker 1: when that would have been, I know, a summer, I'm
Speaker 1: guessing around two twelve, but that one night stand aside,
Speaker 1: Samantha felt more drawn to George in comparison to Jake.
Speaker 1: George seemed to have more of his own personality. She
Speaker 1: found him to be effusive and always cracking jokes, whereas
Speaker 1: Jake was always plotting and devious. At one point during
Speaker 1: his battle with Hanname Rodin, Jake guess Samantha to dig
Speaker 1: up dirt on Hannah to help his case for soul custody.
Speaker 1: Samantha refused. George, Samantha says, was much kinder, nicer, and
Speaker 1: in her words, more pubbly. So in my opinion, my
Speaker 1: eyes outlook, George would always go out and do his
Speaker 1: own thing. Jake would always have to get Angela's opinion
Speaker 1: before he would go do anything Angela didn't approve. Jake
Speaker 1: never did. George, on the other hand, would just do
Speaker 1: his own thing. And as I understand it, when you
Speaker 1: were very young, you felt like your mother and Angela
Speaker 1: would kind of pushing you over towards being with Jake, yes,
Speaker 1: and that you really didn't care for too much, is
Speaker 1: that right? Yeah? And actually as the years wore on,
Speaker 1: you were more attracted to George. Is that fair to say?
Speaker 1: He actually made me feel like I was wanted? Honestly?
Speaker 1: It was nice to you, right, yes, And that continued
Speaker 1: into a donut right yes. And in fact, I think
Speaker 1: you just told us a story that when you were
Speaker 1: kind of on a rough spot around Christmas time, I
Speaker 1: think you described it, he came over and brought toys
Speaker 1: for your trial, yes, and gave you cash money to
Speaker 1: help you pay with the bills. Yes, how would you
Speaker 1: describe him when he was very young? He's bubbly. Here
Speaker 1: again a Jeanette. Samantha Staley said some things that were
Speaker 1: actually helpful to George Wagner. She painted George Wagner out
Speaker 1: to be somebody who was very nice to her. She
Speaker 1: said that, you know, there was a Christmas where she
Speaker 1: didn't have money to buy Christmas gifts for her children,
Speaker 1: and so George Wagner met her somewhere and gave her
Speaker 1: the presents and gave her money to pay her electric bills.
Speaker 1: She said things nice things about the Wagners. Her father
Speaker 1: had had a medical issue, and she said, Frederica, you know,
Speaker 1: paid to keep utilities on. But after the road and murders,
Speaker 1: Samantha said, George's demeanor markedly changed. Frankie Roden was her
Speaker 1: first love, so she was already shaken by the news
Speaker 1: of his death, but George was less than consoling. Can
Speaker 1: you tell us after the homicide occurred, did you ever
Speaker 1: have contact with Jake or George or Angela or Billy
Speaker 1: after the homicide murders? I got my car in May
Speaker 1: of twenty sixteen. I had went fishing with George a
Speaker 1: couple days later after getting my car, maybe a week
Speaker 1: after that, I'm sure if it was a couple of
Speaker 1: days for a week, okay, so approximately a month after
Speaker 1: the murders had happened. Yes, he went fishing. Yes? And
Speaker 1: who went fishing with you? Myself, my husband, and George?
Speaker 1: And can you tell us, first of all, if you
Speaker 1: noticed anything about George during that time? He wasn't the
Speaker 1: same George that I knew. He looked very sad, very hurt,
Speaker 1: very lost, very dead inside. He didn't have the crooked
Speaker 1: smile that he always had, so you knew him to
Speaker 1: be more Joe vile or happy or bubbly bubbly? Yes,
Speaker 1: and how did that strike you? That night when we
Speaker 1: were fishing, we were going to stay there all night.
Speaker 1: It actually started a lightning, and he said, I don't
Speaker 1: fish in a lightning, So we honestly started to pack up.
Speaker 1: I had said something Frankie had popped in my mind.
Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly what I had said, and I
Speaker 1: just started ramdingle and started questioning, you know, can you
Speaker 1: believe this has happened? They're gone, They're never coming back.
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