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Speaker 2: Good morning, everybody, Happy Thursday. We have an amazing show

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Speaker 2: for everybody today. What do we have, Crystal?

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Speaker 1: Indeed, we do lots of interesting stories percolating this morning.

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Speaker 1: So we have some new very bad poll numbers for

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden in a series of swing days.

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Speaker 4: We'll break that down for you.

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Speaker 1: We also want to cover this big abortion ballot initiative

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Speaker 1: that is going to be there for voters in November.

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Speaker 1: What impact could that have on a state that was

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Speaker 1: not so long ago a swing state but it's pretty

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Speaker 1: firmly in the red column now, very interesting potential fallout there.

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Speaker 1: We also have some RFK Junior news, a focus group

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Speaker 1: of voters showing which voters are favoring RFK Junior.

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Speaker 4: What are their common characteristics. That's very interesting.

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Speaker 1: We also have a revelation from Tulci Gabbard that she

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Speaker 1: was asked to be his VP and turned it down,

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Speaker 1: So we'll break all of that down for you.

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Speaker 4: Also have a couple of media stories for you. Stephen A.

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Speaker 1: Smith sounding off on some recent Hillary Clinton comments that

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Speaker 1: our friends over at Counterpoints had covers. Will get you

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Speaker 1: the fallout here from Steven A. Smith, who is always

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Speaker 1: interesting to listen to and charismatic. We also have a

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Speaker 1: former ESPN anchor who is telling all about the dynamics

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Speaker 1: of her Biden interview that she did at that network.

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Speaker 1: You definitely want to hear that one as well. Major

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Speaker 1: fallout after those AID workers were targeted and killed by Israel.

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden losing all sorts of folks on this one,

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Speaker 1: including the folks over at Morning Joe, his favorite morning

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Speaker 1: news program, really sounding off. Reportedly his wife has told

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Speaker 1: him he needs to wrap up the war.

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Speaker 4: So a lot to get you there.

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Speaker 1: Sager is taking a look at McKenzie humiliated on DEI

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Speaker 1: and also we have the Teamsters calling for a nationwide

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Speaker 1: Mulsen Corps boycott. The Teamster's international president is going to

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Speaker 1: be here in studio talking to us about that and

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Speaker 1: also about their average to organize Amazon and a number

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Speaker 1: of other issues. So very much looking forward to having

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Speaker 1: Sean O'Brien back here in the studio.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited as well. It's always good to have actual

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Speaker 2: to people who support our work. That's why we're able

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Speaker 2: Let's get to these poll numbers. So absolutely shocking poll

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Speaker 2: there on the screen, very high quality poll out from

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Speaker 2: the Wall Street Journal, registered voters in each state that

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Speaker 2: was conducted in mid March. Margin evera here keep in

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Speaker 2: we can see in the state of Arizona we've got

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Speaker 2: Trump plus five. In Georgia we've got Trump plus one,

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Speaker 2: So obviously I think we could say that that's not

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Speaker 2: why it's particularly noteworthy, he's either in the margin of

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Speaker 2: all in very very critical states. This does not even

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Speaker 2: Democratic coalition. On the polls alone, Crystal, we can see

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Speaker 1: still a lot of fluidity and a lot of question marks.

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Speaker 1: But this comes at a particularly bad time for Joe

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Speaker 2: There's also been some very critical developments in the state

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Speaker 2: reflect the founder's intent. The real intent here, because Nebraska

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Speaker 2: Even those over at MSNBC are now beginning to take notice.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 5: Spinner there has thrown his support behind an effort that

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Speaker 5: If that changes, and we don't know that it will,

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Speaker 5: But if that changes, that takes away Biden's best path

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Speaker 3: The alarm among Democrats that this is possible.

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Speaker 6: What do you think?

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Speaker 7: I think this is what the modern Republican Party has become.

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Speaker 7: They're now changing the rules in the middle, trying to

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Speaker 7: benefit themselves. This is the hell that Donald Trump has

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Speaker 7: wrought in the middle of this. Changing the rules two

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Speaker 7: hundred days before the election is ridiculous.

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Speaker 6: I think you're right.

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Speaker 7: I think there are real simulation problems when you look

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Speaker 7: at the map that one electoral vote really matters in

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Speaker 7: the combination of other things. Then you need another state.

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Speaker 7: And so the easiest path way to victory has always

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Speaker 7: tells me they're not going to get away with this easy,

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Speaker 7: and there will be a national outcry if they're trying

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Speaker 7: to change the rules here.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, we're they're trying to change the rules

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Speaker 2: middle of the game.

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Speaker 1: There's going to be a national outcry over the Nebraska

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Speaker 4: First, Kajim Messina, it's.

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Speaker 8: Already weird that they do this.

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Speaker 3: No, it's it's weird. Can we all admit that? And

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Speaker 3: that's why that they're changing the rules here.

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Speaker 2: Now obviously, look, I think they're clearly doing it for

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Speaker 2: Why don't you worry a little bit more about maybe

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Speaker 2: question mark there, Crystal, But you know it is a

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Speaker 1: This is the hell that Donald Father, I mean, this

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Speaker 1: is why you can't take these people seriously.

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Speaker 4: True election rules.

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Speaker 1: Get changed state by state on a regular basis. Now, personally,

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Speaker 1: I would like to have an even bigger change and

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Speaker 1: would wager that Jim Messina would probably support that change

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Speaker 1: it for partisan reasons. How about instead of panicking about that,

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Speaker 1: you actually try to win an election by offering something

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Speaker 1: to the American people. You have an incredibly weak candidate.

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Speaker 1: Your opponent is incredibly weak, Donald Trump, He's a criminal.

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Speaker 1: People freaking hate this guy. They find him completely toxic.

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Speaker 1: His unfavorables are ridiculously high. And yet you're panicked over

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Speaker 1: one Electoral College vote because you are lacking in such

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. These people are just pathetic, They're just ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: And it's very clear what Biden's problems are. I mean,

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Speaker 2: But look from the you know, it's just like every

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Speaker 4: Again?

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Speaker 1: Listen, if you want to have a federalized election system

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Speaker 1: Now, let's just put up this next piece up on

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that's a good transition on what's going on

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Speaker 2: Look, I think a lot of people can stomach fifteen

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Speaker 1: Very motivating for any sort of Democratic supporters, because you know,

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Speaker 1: It's not like it's preposterous to imagine that Florida could

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Speaker 1: Although I do think the abortion issue there is more

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Speaker 1: fervent emotion around that at this point than there was

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Speaker 1: like around the minimum wage last time around. And the

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Speaker 1: port for the pro choice position on this ballot initiative,

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Speaker 1: based on the polling, is massive. The support for legalizing

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Speaker 1: weed also quite high. And you know, we've seen the

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Speaker 1: way that abortion has shaped not only ballot initiatives, which

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Speaker 1: the pro choice position is one in every single state

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Speaker 1: where it's been tested, including places like Kentucky, but we've

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Speaker 1: also seen the way that abortion and other women's issues

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Speaker 1: related to that have completely shifted different you know, state

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Speaker 1: legislative districts, congressional districts, et cetera, towards Democrats. So it

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Speaker 1: does have a very potent impact even on you know,

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Speaker 1: people's choice of candidates outside of specific ballot initiative.

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Speaker 2: The pulling on this is genuinely shocking the state of Florida.

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Speaker 2: Let's go and put this up there on the screen,

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Speaker 2: So it says that over sixty percent of Florida voters

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Speaker 2: both support the abortion and marijuana amendments. But actually, when

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Speaker 2: you dig into it, it's even more interesting. Sixty two

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Speaker 2: percent of voters said that they would vote yes on

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Speaker 2: the abortion ballot measure in meaning that they want to

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Speaker 2: keep the right to abortion on the.

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Speaker 3: In the state.

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Speaker 2: But more more than half of Republicans actually in the

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Speaker 2: state said that they would vote affirmatively. When you go

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Speaker 2: to weed, it's actually roughly the same number, fifty five

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Speaker 2: percent of Republicans expressing support and sixty seven percent support overall,

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Speaker 2: independent voters splitting dramatically in both of those directions. Sixty

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Speaker 2: eight nine percent on the weed issue, fifty eight percent

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Speaker 2: on abortion. So you've got independent Republicans and Democrats. You

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Speaker 2: got majorities in all three of these coalitions that are

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Speaker 2: going to come out in favor. As you said, let's

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Speaker 2: be real, the minimum wage position passed with over sixty

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Speaker 2: percent last time.

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Speaker 3: Trump was still able to win.

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Speaker 2: But this time around, if you have Biden tie him

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Speaker 2: self to pro choice in a way that neither candidate

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Speaker 2: did previously with minimum wage, I do think it will

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Speaker 2: have a significant more chain. Now, don't get me wrong,

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Speaker 2: I think Trump is probably still going to win the state.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, this is just one of those like spending

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Speaker 2: money where we shouldn't have to be spending money.

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Speaker 1: It makes it at least a little bit interesting exactly

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Speaker 1: whereas previously it was not. The state of Flora was

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Speaker 1: not interesting at all. One of the things that has

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Speaker 1: been extraordinary to watch in the wake of Roe versus

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Speaker 1: way being overturned in the Dobb's decision is the way

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Speaker 1: that the pro choice position has.

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Speaker 4: Become more and more and more popular.

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Speaker 1: It's not like people had their pre existing views and

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Speaker 1: they just were locked into them and then now it's

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Speaker 1: the pro choice side that's just more energized. No, you've

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Speaker 1: seen a dramatic public shift towards the pro choice position.

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Speaker 4: And also it didn't all happen at once.

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Speaker 1: It's continued to trend in that direction when Zago wasnt

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Speaker 1: Emily and I actually covered some of the polls with

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Speaker 1: regards to that that there's a continual trend towards the

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Speaker 1: pro choice direction that has basically shaken loose what was

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Speaker 1: a fifty to fifty divide for decades on this issue,

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Speaker 1: where it really just depended you know, which side seemed

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Speaker 1: to be more extreme at the moment. Now you have

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Speaker 1: a very clear majority in favor of the more pro

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Speaker 1: choice side, and you have a dwindling minority in a

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Speaker 1: very small minority that's in favor of, you know, the

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Speaker 1: most extreme positions like a complete national ban or abortion

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Speaker 1: being illegal in all or most circumstances. There is a

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Speaker 1: very very small minority that supports that position at this point.

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Speaker 1: So that's been one of the things that's been extraordinaated

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Speaker 1: as well, because I think predobs if you had asked

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Speaker 1: Republicans what they thought about about an initiative like this,

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's any chance you'd have a majority

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Speaker 1: on the pro choice side. So that has been a

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Speaker 1: pretty dramatic and honestly a shift that I did not anticipate.

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Speaker 4: In the wake of that decision.

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Speaker 1: I didn't anticipate that this would be such a central issue,

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Speaker 1: driving so many electoral results in basically every state across

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Speaker 1: the country. Still now, you know, significant amount of time

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Speaker 1: out from that decision, So Republicans, you know, they're in

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Speaker 1: a really hard buying here. We've seen the way that

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Speaker 1: Trump has tried to navigate it. You know, he's trying

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Speaker 1: to shift it back to that rhetoric they used to

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Speaker 1: use about Oh well democrats, you know they favor these

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Speaker 1: end of late term abortions and you know, even making

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Speaker 1: up these scenarios of even after the baby's born, etc.

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Speaker 1: But it just doesn't land when the landscape that is

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Speaker 1: being fought over right now is on where are the

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Speaker 1: restriction is going to lie.

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Speaker 4: So in a state like Floria, we have.

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Speaker 1: A six week ban actually going into effect, so people

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Speaker 1: are going to get to see what that looks like

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Speaker 1: and hear the horror stories before they go vote.

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Speaker 4: It's pretty potent.

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Speaker 3: It's bad. It's bad. Let me just one word of caution.

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Speaker 2: Miami Beach, you guys were already you were one of

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Speaker 2: the strictest places in the boy in the world in

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Speaker 2: America for weed. They actually just put in new measures

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Speaker 2: to go against weeds. So I would just I would

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Speaker 2: urge the voters of Miami Beach, if you want to

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Speaker 2: protect your air.

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Speaker 3: Down in that city, you may want to think a

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Speaker 3: little bit differently.

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Speaker 2: Let's put this last part up on the screen because

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Speaker 2: this is another flashing red sign. And look, this is

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Speaker 2: the other thing too course, so we shouldn't erase this

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Speaker 2: it's actually very possible, I would say, within the realm

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Speaker 2: of possibility that.

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Speaker 3: Biden could win the state of Florida.

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Speaker 2: It went from Trump plus three to then DeSantis plus

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Speaker 2: what twenty But that was only two years ago, we

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Speaker 2: don't know. And here in front of us we have

549
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Speaker 2: how special election where the Democrats actually flipped a Republican

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Speaker 2: Florida House seat in central Florida. On this was just

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Speaker 2: what a couple of months ago, So we have to

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Speaker 2: be real here. This was January thirtieth, in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Abortion politics, as you just said, has shifted so rapidly

554
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Speaker 2: and wildly that it's actually pretty difficult to really get

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Speaker 2: a sense of where things will land. The polls were

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Speaker 2: totally off in the Democratic direction on in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 2: Nobody anticipated that Dessanta's blowout. They thought he would win

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Speaker 2: by ten. It ended up winning by twenty. Well, then

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Speaker 2: in this case too, we shouldn't underestimate that such rapidly

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Speaker 2: shifting parts of the coalition as we saw in twenty sixteen,

561
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Speaker 2: so we saw in twenty twenty two, are so difficult

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Speaker 2: to pull that you really won't find out till election day.

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Speaker 1: Bien's highest approval ratings are among the elderly. True, they

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Speaker 1: don't really mind. Large have an issue, which is Israel policy.

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Speaker 1: So hey, you never know, guys, you never know. Crazier

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Speaker 1: things have certainly happened in our policy.

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Speaker 3: There you go, you had no idea.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's get to RFK. Junior's some very interesting

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Speaker 2: news with the guards to Tulsi Gabbard.

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Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: Tulsi gave an interview actually to ABC News, or at

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Speaker 2: least a statement to ABC News, where she says she

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Speaker 2: turned down his offer to be his running mate. Quote

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Speaker 2: it didn't work out, so she said in a statement, quote,

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Speaker 2: I met with Kennedy several times. We have become good friends.

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Speaker 2: He asked if I would be his running mate. After

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Speaker 2: careful consideration, I respectfully declined. She declined to explain why

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Speaker 2: she turned down the offer, which has not previously been reported. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: she was included on the list, and he eventually went

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Speaker 2: with Nicole Shanahan.

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Speaker 3: He says.

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Speaker 2: A person even close to the Kennedy campaign said, quote,

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Speaker 2: there were definitely meetings, but it didn't work out.

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Speaker 3: She claims.

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Speaker 2: We talked to a bunch of people Tulsea's a rock

586
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Speaker 2: star no matter what, all that, but not denying it

587
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Speaker 2: so affirmatively he did ask her.

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Speaker 3: I think it was a mistake.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure that this was Look, I understand that

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Speaker 2: Nicole Shanahan picked purely from a it takes dollars to

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Speaker 2: get on the ballot, so from an actual practical point

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Speaker 2: of view, totally get it. But Telsea Gabbard actually was elected,

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Speaker 2: and she much more I think. I mean, Look, Nicole

594
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Speaker 2: has not given an interview as of yet from what

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Speaker 2: I looked, and by the way, we're asking for it,

596
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Speaker 2: we'd like to have her here on the show, but

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Speaker 2: she hasn't. She hasn't been as battle tested. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Tulsa's the very least she's run for her office before.

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Speaker 2: She's been in the public sphere. She knows how to

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Speaker 2: take criticism. You know, she's somebody who look a lover

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Speaker 2: hate her whatever she's given interviews, she goes all over

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Speaker 2: the place, comfortable, you know, more in the public eye.

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Speaker 2: I actually am given the fact that RFK is trying

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Speaker 2: to especially capture a lot of the podcast spaces, as

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Speaker 2: somebody who's already been all over the podcast space continues

606
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Speaker 2: to go on kind of being alternative media. So I

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Speaker 2: think it's actually a blow to the Kennedy campaign for her.

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Speaker 2: I don't really get it. I mean, I've seen that

609
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Speaker 2: she's been on the short list for Trump. I just

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Speaker 2: have a very hard time believing that. I just think

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Speaker 2: he'll ever pick her. I can't see it.

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Speaker 1: I agree, Yeah, So, I mean that's the only thing

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Speaker 1: I can figure too, is that maybe she's holding out

614
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Speaker 1: hope that she ends up being Trump's VP, and so

615
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Speaker 1: she thinks she's got a better horse in Trump than

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Speaker 1: inn R K Junior.

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Speaker 2: No way that I do would pick her. It would

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Speaker 2: piss off so many parts of the republic coalition. I mean, look,

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Speaker 2: outside of the online people don't even know who she is.

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Speaker 2: Those would be like, oh, she's a former Bernie Democrat.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that she is, but I'm saying, like,

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Speaker 2: that's what the attack would be. It's just a lot

623
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Speaker 2: easier and safer for Trump to pick at least Dephonic,

624
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Speaker 2: Tim Scott or jd Vance, depending on what misside christinom

625
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Speaker 2: any of these people traditional box check.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's just about being safe. Everything is about

627
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Speaker 3: Trump anyway.

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Speaker 1: It feels like the hyper online Yeah, pick or like

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Speaker 1: there's a hyper online pick. But yeah, do I actually

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Speaker 1: think Trump has really any serious interest in Aaron No.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's very skeptical of that.

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Speaker 1: With regards to RFK Junior and a potential Tulsi ticket,

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Speaker 1: you know, obviously both of them are like former Democrats.

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Speaker 1: Both of them have way higher approval ratings at this

635
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Speaker 1: point with Republicans than Democrats. I think if you put

636
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Speaker 1: Tulsi on the ticket, you are locking yourself more into

637
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Speaker 1: an exclusively like former Trump conservative Republican right wing base.

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Speaker 1: Nicole Shanahan is a blank slate. You know, She's got

639
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Speaker 1: more liberal positions in terms of the causes she's funded

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Speaker 1: in the past and things she said and supporting Pee

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Speaker 1: Boota jij and whatever. So it keeps the ticket a

642
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Speaker 1: little bit more plausibly neutral. So in that way, I

643
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Speaker 1: actually think it might be a better thing. I think

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Speaker 1: actually Biden should have hoped that he would pick someone

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Speaker 1: like Tulci, who clearly codeses you know, right wings. She's

646
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Speaker 1: filling in on Fox and they love her at this point,

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Speaker 1: so I think that would have made it more clear

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Speaker 1: that the RFK ticket was going to take more from

649
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Speaker 1: the Trump column. I still actually think it is going

650
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Speaker 1: to take more from the Trump column because I just

651
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Speaker 1: continue to look at the approval writings. Actually that Wall

652
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Speaker 1: Street Journal Battleground state pole that we showed, even though

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Speaker 1: once you add in RFK Junior and the other candidates

654
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Speaker 1: and undecided, Trump actually picks up a little bit of

655
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Speaker 1: ground in all the states. When you just look at

656
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Speaker 1: the RFK Junior support, it actually did in that poll

657
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Speaker 1: hurt Trump more than it hurt Biden. It's not overwhelming,

658
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Speaker 1: but it was a little bit of an edge for

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden. So given where his approval ratings are with Democrats,

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Speaker 1: which are really in the toilet, and you have a

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Speaker 1: majority of Republicans who personally like and you know, have

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Speaker 1: an approval high approval for RFK Junior, I still think

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it probably is more

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Speaker 1: of a problem for Trump than it is for Biden.

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Speaker 4: But the Nicole Shanahan.

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Speaker 1: Pick makes it a little less clear cut than if

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Speaker 1: he had picked like a Tulsi Gabbard or someone else

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Speaker 1: who really codes his right wing.

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Speaker 2: At this point, that's not a bad point. I still

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Speaker 2: thinks I wish you picked Jesse Ventura would be.

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Speaker 1: That would have been a crazy guy was right.

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Speaker 2: I love that guy because he's all over the place

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Speaker 2: and he's he's a og if you are anti.

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Speaker 4: But Jesse is.

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Speaker 1: Such a big person he can't be in anyone's number two.

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Speaker 1: He's such a big personality. Having interviewed him and he

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Speaker 1: just takes over. Let me tell you, I love him.

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Speaker 1: I love him such a character.

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Speaker 2: I was reading nine to eleven conspiracy theory books in

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Speaker 2: college station in my mid teens because of jesseve Internal.

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Speaker 1: I also feel like I kind of doubt that Jesse

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Speaker 1: and RFK Junior in the same place with regard to

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Speaker 1: Israel and Palestine, So that would be hard hard for

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Speaker 1: me to imagine, but I haven't. I haven't seen him

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Speaker 1: way in there specifically Jesse Ventura, but I would. I

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Speaker 1: would imagine that that would be a major rub. And

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Speaker 1: we know that's been a rub for you know, some

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Speaker 1: previous RFK Junior campaign staffers who were with him when

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Speaker 1: he was you know, against the Ukraine War and wanting

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Speaker 1: to stop funding there and thought he was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: this is an anti war candidate. And then suddenly October

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Speaker 1: seventh happens and he's on the total opposite end of

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Speaker 1: the anti war positioning for that, and that was very

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Speaker 1: disillusioning for a number of his staffers who left and

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Speaker 1: who explained that was the reason that they left, and

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Speaker 1: also for a number of previous supporters who had been

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Speaker 1: interested in him genuinely occupying that anti war space, and

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Speaker 1: you know, saw that as diametrically opposed to the way

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Speaker 1: he positioned himself in the Israel.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So the last time that he's made the news in

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Speaker 2: the last six days is he has now joined forces

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Speaker 2: with a local ban Creed to launch his own brand

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Speaker 2: of THC edibles.

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Speaker 3: So it looks like God bless, it appears God bless.

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Speaker 3: I don't. I don't support the product, but I will

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Speaker 3: always support you, Jesse.

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Speaker 1: There was one more interesting piece on this RFK Junior.

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Speaker 1: There was Washington Post talk to a number of RFK

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Speaker 1: Junior supporters. We can put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: This is yeah b three. So they talked to a

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Speaker 1: number of people who have said, you know, they're all

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Speaker 1: in for RFK Junior, and they were kind of all

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Speaker 1: over the political spectrum. The one thing they had in common,

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Speaker 1: unsurprisingly is they all hate Biden and Trump, which you

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Speaker 1: know is a pretty common sentiment out there in America

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Speaker 1: and I think speaks to the wisdom of like the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl ad that he ran and the general attempt,

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Speaker 1: like what we've been saying is probably his strongest lane

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Speaker 1: is to try to be as vague and neutral as

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Speaker 1: possible and just be a vessel for as many people

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Speaker 1: as possible who just hate both of these candidates and

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Speaker 1: you know, want some one else and aren't too concerned

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Speaker 1: about all of the details.

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Speaker 3: So according to his campaign, here's what he's got so far.

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Speaker 2: He's got New Hampshire, Hawaii, Nevada, North Carolina.

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Speaker 3: They say they're on track for a few others.

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Speaker 1: But are those places do they specify there that he

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Speaker 1: has actually made the ballot, or where he's collected enough signature.

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Speaker 3: Which is he's only made the ballot in once.

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Speaker 4: In Utah, right, yeah, right, And that's not.

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Speaker 3: Going to matter.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, everywhere else actually will matter, and when he actually

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Speaker 2: does get that ballot access, that's going to be the

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Speaker 2: big thing. But I mean that is where, you know,

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Speaker 2: maybe I'm coming back to Nicole Shanahan. She's got a

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Speaker 2: ton of money. She's been given meal. I think she's

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Speaker 2: got a billion dollars or something like that, twenty five

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Speaker 2: to fifty million that'll probably get you on the ballot

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Speaker 2: in a decent number of states, that'll buy you the

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Speaker 2: operation that you need. And if we can just project

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Speaker 2: whatever we want onto the Kennedy Shanahan ticket, then you're

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Speaker 2: going to ride at least somewhere to a decent percentage

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Speaker 2: of the vote in this And at the end of

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Speaker 2: the day, I mean, you know, everyone keeps talking about

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Speaker 2: the spoilerism and all of that. I just he's got

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Speaker 2: he's at this point has had enough, you know, on

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Speaker 2: the record statements against Trump, on the record statements abou

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Speaker 2: how he doesn't like others on the record statements and

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Speaker 2: you know, always and not necessarily wanting to slip into

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Speaker 2: a lane where he would drop out in order to

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Speaker 2: help Trump, even if you do see polling and he

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Speaker 2: said previously he's f Trump. You know, I think it

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Speaker 2: was in the theom of Bonn interview and all that,

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Speaker 2: because the Democrats really do, at least from what I've

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Speaker 2: seen the DNC, they really have this conspiracy theory that

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Speaker 2: you know, he is one hundred percent a spoiler back ticket.

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Speaker 2: I just I don't see that in the data, and

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Speaker 2: I definitely don't see it in some of the voters yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean I don't really either. Now, I think it's

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Speaker 1: possible that some of the people who are donating to

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Speaker 1: that's different, right, but that's not like they may have

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Speaker 1: that in mind. I certainly think that's that's possible himself.

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Speaker 1: I don't really see that either. And if you were

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Speaker 1: going to design someone who was going to be a

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Speaker 1: spoiler for Biden, I don't think you'd pick RFK Junior

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Speaker 1: at this point, because, like I said, it's really not

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Speaker 1: clear to me that he's going to take more from

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Speaker 1: Biden than from Trump. In fact, again, at this point,

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Speaker 1: even in spite of the Kennedy name and the past positioning, whatever,

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Speaker 1: I do think at the end of the day, his

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Speaker 1: upprov writings are just so much higher with Republicans that

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Speaker 1: it seems like more of a threat to Trump.

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Speaker 4: So if that's the plan, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, I also think if that's the plan, you wouldn't

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Speaker 1: be asking Tulci Gabbard to be on your ticket, right,

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Speaker 1: you would be going immediately to someone who had more

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Speaker 1: sort of liberal or lefty cred to try to win

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Speaker 1: over Biden voters. If that was really the whole play

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Speaker 1: is just to serve as a spoiler. So, like I said,

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying there aren't people who are supporting him

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Speaker 1: who have that agenda in mind, but I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's the wisest course if that's ultimately your goal. Really, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's much more clear. For example, that Cornell Wester jill

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Speaker 1: Stein absolutely would cut into his piece of the pie.

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Speaker 1: So if you're just looking to you know, move things

787
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Speaker 1: around nefariously, I think you would put more effort into

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Speaker 1: that end of the ticket.

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Speaker 4: But I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I know, like I said to me, with him personally,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't add up that that's the whole goal of

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Speaker 1: what he's doing. So you know, ultimately, these Biden and Trump,

793
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Speaker 1: they got to make their case to the American people

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Speaker 1: and actually win. And you can't cry about RFK Junior

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Speaker 1: exercising his right to participate in the democracy. And you

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Speaker 1: can't cry about people who hate both of you and

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Speaker 1: really want other options considering the other options that are

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Speaker 1: available to them.

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Speaker 2: You know, I hadn't even considered the lame duck argument

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Speaker 2: that he makes there, and I was like, you know,

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Speaker 2: that's not a bad point in terms of if you

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Speaker 2: want actual new leadership. You know, you have four year

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Speaker 2: tenures on both of these candidates. It actually is a

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Speaker 2: pretty good one if you think in terms of really

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Speaker 2: wanting something new, and it gets to some of the

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Speaker 2: doom what exists me.

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Speaker 4: Remember Ronda Santis was trying to make that argument about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was, Yeah, and he was working. I didn't

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Speaker 3: hit with that primary. It's a very different render.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think that if anything, the fact that we would

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Speaker 1: only be you know, tortured with one war Biden or

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Speaker 1: one war Trump administration is probably a plus for voters,

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Speaker 1: not like, oh darn, I wish we could have him

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Speaker 1: for eight years.

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Speaker 4: That's such a shame.

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Speaker 1: I don't think anyone out there is really feel that way.

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Speaker 1: So have some interesting new comments from former ESPN anchor

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Speaker 1: Sage Steal with regard to her previous interview at that

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Speaker 1: network with President Joe Biden mistake.

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Speaker 4: Listen what she has to.

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Speaker 9: Say here as we get set for a wonderful day

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Speaker 9: in sports, opening day for America's national pastime. This was

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Speaker 9: about two months after he took office. That was an

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Speaker 9: interesting experience in its own right because it was so

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Speaker 9: structured and I was told, you will say every word

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Speaker 9: that we write out, you will not deviate from the script,

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Speaker 9: and go to the word like every single question was scripted,

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Speaker 9: gone over dozens of times by many executives, editors and executives. Absolutely,

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Speaker 9: I was on script and was told not to deviate

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Speaker 9: because it was very much this is what you will ask,

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Speaker 9: this is how you will say it, no follow ups,

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Speaker 9: no follow ups. Next, I knew that this was a

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Speaker 9: lot bigger than just the wonderful editors that I worked with.

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Speaker 9: This went up to the fourth floor, as we said,

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Speaker 9: that where all the bosses, the top executives, the decision

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Speaker 9: makers are the president of our company.

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Speaker 1: So very interesting there, saga. I'm curious what you make

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Speaker 1: of her comments. Now, listen, she's not a Joe Biden fan,

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Speaker 1: so perhaps you know there's some motivation behind what she's

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Speaker 1: saying here.

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Speaker 4: But it also kind of attracts.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we know how careful they have been about

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Speaker 1: who and where they give Joe Biden interviews. Jomini almost

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Speaker 1: never does an actual like mainstream interview where he could

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Speaker 1: be asked those follow ups, and it's just a bunch

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Speaker 1: series of scripted, pre written softball questions.

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Speaker 4: We can put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: This is something that Azraclient actually pointed out back when

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Speaker 1: he had his moment of being like, maybe we should

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Speaker 1: get rid of Joe Biden before watching the State of

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Speaker 1: the Union and having all of his fears to put

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Speaker 1: to rest in deciding no, actually, Joe Biden is a

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Speaker 1: great savior of America. But the next piece up on

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Speaker 1: the screen, he says, Biden's on fewer interviews than any

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Speaker 1: recent president. It's not close by this point in their

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Speaker 1: presidency's Barack Obama given more than four hundred interviews, Trumpet

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Speaker 1: given more than three hundred. Biden has given fewer than

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Speaker 1: one hundred, and a bunch of them are softball interviews.

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Speaker 1: He'll go on Conan o'briden's podcast or Jay Shetty's Mindfulness podcast.

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Speaker 1: The Biden team says this is a strategy they need

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Speaker 1: a political voters, the ones who are not listening to

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Speaker 1: political media. But one, this strategy is not working. Biden

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Speaker 1: is down, not up. And two, no one really buys

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Speaker 1: this argument. I don't buy this argument. This isn't a

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Speaker 1: strategy chosen from a full universe of options. This is

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Speaker 1: a strategic adaptation to Biden's perceived limits as a candidate.

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Speaker 1: And what's worse, it may be a wise one. And

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Speaker 1: that trend of course, has continued of him doing you

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Speaker 1: know these exclusively softball interview.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Sage actually just gave an interview recently to

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Speaker 2: Adam Carolla, I think to clarify this, and she says, actually,

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Speaker 2: the worst part for me is I wasn't even allowed

874
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Speaker 2: to ask a follow up question.

875
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 3: And look, I.

876
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 2: Don't know, you know, whether she's telling the truth or not.

877
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 2: What I do know is it's been over twenty four

878
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 2: hours and ESPN has not denied any of this. So

879
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 2: I mean, if you real as a journalistic organization, a

880
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 2: charge as big as this, you know even you know

881
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,240
Speaker 2: I've interviewed Trump. If somebody came out, no matter how small,

882
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 2: and said and claimed that my interviews or something were scripted,

883
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 2: that would be immediately I'd be like, that is absolute bullshit.

884
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 2: I have the tape. You can come and listen to

885
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 2: it anytime you want. You can come and sit with me.

886
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 2: We'll go through it and I'll show you exactly how

887
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 2: I prepped it, the follow ups, etc. They haven't said that.

888
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 2: And this is a major news organization. So look, clearly

889
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 2: this lady has an act to grind. Right, She's been

890
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 2: all over the podcast scene, and that she's starting her

891
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 2: own thing, and that's fine. People have a right and

892
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 2: the ability to do that. This is a serious charge.

893
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 2: She accused them of scripting her interview. The other thing is,

894
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 2: and why I believe it's scripted, is at the very

895
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 2: top there, as you saw when she was like America's

896
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 2: pastime or something.

897
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 3: People don't talk that way.

898
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 2: People don't talk that way, period, and especially you and I,

899
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 2: we can smell when people are reading off a prompter

900
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 2: or not. I was watching a Hot Ones interview, for example,

901
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 2: not exactly a journalistic organization, but just give me an example.

902
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 2: It was the wing show that we covered previously. Was

903
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 2: the interview with somebody, and the host was like, tell

904
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 2: me about this experience that you in high school. Whenever

905
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 2: I'm told you were, I was like, people don't talk

906
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 2: this way. You're literally reading clearly off of a Q card.

907
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 2: And for me the moment, even that small snippet, it

908
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 2: was obvious that that was a scripted question.

909
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: I also think it's kind of embarrassing for her though,

910
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: that you accept those terms.

911
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:15,919
Speaker 3: Point.

912
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 4: I wouldn't.

913
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 3: I would never do that.

914
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: I wouldn't, and you know, I'm perfectly willing to admit

915
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: my human frailties, and you know, we're all subject to

916
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: like the incentives set of systems around and so I'm

917
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: not saying it wouldn't be a big deal for her

918
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,280
Speaker 1: to have pushed back on that, But there's no way

919
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: I would just accept that and.

920
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 4: Then go out there and read their little script.

921
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. Really, chance that's a good point, not a chance.

922
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 4: That's humiliating.

923
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: And you know, for her to admit it, like I

924
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: would be, I would be embarrassed to admit that I

925
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: just like was a good little girl and you know,

926
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: did the thing that I was told to do and

927
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: ask no follow ups and do their little softball interview.

928
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: We have the president of the United States there. I mean, look,

929
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 1: I get it. You're not a political reporter. You're not

930
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: a political journalist, but you did see yourself as a journalist,

931
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: and you have the most powerful person that entire world there,

932
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: and you're just going to stay in your lane and

933
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: you know, do the thing they told you to do.

934
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, I personally I would be embarrassed about that.

935
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: But obviously the more important story is if this is

936
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,720
Speaker 1: actually true about aus pan Infe's the question, Okay, well,

937
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 1: was their coordination with the Biden team on what those

938
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: questions were. Is this the sort of thing that's happening

939
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: at other quote unquote news organizations when they are getting

940
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 1: Biden interviews on the very rare occasions that they do,

941
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 1: are there some stipulations about where the conversation can go,

942
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: what type of questions can be asked or is it

943
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,959
Speaker 1: and which is more typical and frankly extraordinarily common where

944
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: these networks Because they want to preserve their access, they

945
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: know what sort of questions they're allowed to ask, and

946
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: what sort of questions, what sort of follow ups, how

947
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: aggressive they can be, and their pushback in their follow

948
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 1: ups because they don't want to lose access to the

949
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: President of the United States or his team, or his

950
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: advisors or top Democrats, et cetera. That's the way the

951
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: game is usually played. It's not usually so explicit as like, no,

952
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: these are the scripted questions that you're going to ask,

953
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: but hey, it does. It does bag a lot more

954
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: questions about the overall Biden media strategy and specifically about

955
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: ESPN and how they handle this particular interview.

956
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,240
Speaker 2: I will also say Sage did have a very weird

957
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 2: incident where she appeared to confuse Joe Rogan with Dana

958
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 2: White and called him Joe like twice. And by the way,

959
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 2: all this was also caught on camera, which makes it

960
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 2: more insane. She claimed that she just got their names

961
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,240
Speaker 2: mixed up, but you should go watch the clip.

962
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 3: For yourself, because that's it that did.

963
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 2: That is the only thing that stuck in my mind

964
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 2: is that because this is such an incident, recent incident,

965
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 2: I was like, well, I don't know if this is

966
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 2: the most trustworthy person, because that was actually legitimately crazy

967
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 2: confusing the two of those even if you aren't all

968
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 2: that familiar, like they don't look exactly all the same,

969
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 2: and they're so famous in their own right.

970
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 3: So I just wanted to put that out.

971
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: There, all these white guys look the same sock.

972
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 3: That's a whole other conference.

973
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: All right, Let's get to some additional interesting comments that

974
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: we wanted to cover for you here, which is Stephen A.

975
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 1: Smith sounding off on CNN about Hillary Clinton's recent comments

976
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: Ryan and not only played them for you, but just

977
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: as a reminder, just so snide and condescending and filled

978
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: with contempt towards undecided voters, telling them to get over

979
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 1: it when it comes to their dissatisfaction with Joe Biden

980
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 1: typical Hillary Clinton's stuff.

981
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 4: Of course, Stephen A.

982
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,399
Speaker 1: Smith had some real choice words for her though, lastigalism.

983
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 10: I don't think it was a very wise statement on

984
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 10: her part. How did that work out fore her in

985
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 10: twenty sixteen. I think that's something that we have to

986
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 10: recognize here. She won the popular vote, but at the

987
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 10: end of the day, she wasn't the president of the

988
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 10: United States.

989
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 6: It was him.

990
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 10: You can look at her not campaigning in Wisconsin in

991
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 10: the last days, not campaigning in Pennsylvania in the last days.

992
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 10: You can look at some of the stuff that they

993
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 10: were saying about her that sort of distracted things from

994
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 10: where it should have been in terms of Comby and

995
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 10: his report from the FBI. You can bring up a

996
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 10: whole bunch of things, but at the end of the day,

997
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 10: the last thing you need to do is to do

998
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 10: anything that could agitate potential voter in this particular election.

999
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,399
Speaker 3: What do you make about the actual argument that she's making.

1000
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 11: I mean, she's basically saying two old people, yes, yes,

1001
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 11: but there's substantively different.

1002
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 6: I mean absolutely one.

1003
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 10: Nobody's brought that up more than me, for you know,

1004
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 10: fore indictment's ninety one counts, impeached twice. I'm not voting

1005
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 10: for him. I've said that to a lot of people.

1006
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 10: I've said that to you. But at the end of

1007
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 10: the day, what I'm saying is is that at some

1008
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 10: point in time, you got to take into account what.

1009
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 6: The voter's thinking about. The voters.

1010
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 10: A lot of them out there, tens of millions of

1011
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 10: them out there, by the way, don't care what he's

1012
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 10: going through right now. They don't care about his guilt

1013
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 10: or innocence, his perceived guilt or innocence. They don't care

1014
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 10: about the ninety one counts. They're thinking about their lives.

1015
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 10: And a lot of times we see politicians taking the

1016
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 10: positions that they're taking, and why we can respect their

1017
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 10: candidate and their honesty, they do seem a bit detached

1018
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 10: that time from what the voters are actually feeling and

1019
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 10: what the voters are actually thinking. Nobody wants to hear

1020
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,439
Speaker 10: that from Hillary rod and Clinton at this particular moment

1021
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 10: in time, because especially if you Joe Biden, what are

1022
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 10: you really really worried about right now? You're worried about

1023
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 10: folks coming to the polls. You're worried about them showing

1024
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 10: up to the polls to vote for you. You're not

1025
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,760
Speaker 10: worried even about them voting for Trump. You're worried about

1026
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 10: them not showing up to vote for you. That doesn't

1027
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 10: exactly encourage them to get up out of their seat.

1028
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 2: So how did this man have better political analysis than

1029
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 2: every other pundit that's currently on sere? Where did this

1030
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 2: come from? I love it too when he's like, I mean,

1031
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 2: clearly he's a partisan. He's like, I don't like Trump,

1032
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 2: criminal charges, all this stuff, But the wisdom of calling

1033
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 2: out Hillary also clearly showing the wisdom of people not

1034
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 2: wanting to show up to vote. I just think it

1035
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 2: just confirms to me that if you're outside of the system,

1036
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,399
Speaker 2: you have even somewhat of a brain.

1037
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 3: It's so obvious what all the problems here are.

1038
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1039
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: I love when he's like, nobody wants to hear that's

1040
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: rosy at this point, absolue God, When is she going

1041
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: to end the grievance to tour? Like everything from her

1042
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: comes from this place of like, you know, cope and

1043
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: bitterness and trying to cast blame on anyone other than

1044
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 1: herself for her dramatic failure in twenty six. I mean,

1045
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: she is the most proximate reason that Donald Trump was

1046
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,280
Speaker 1: ever president of the United States, and somehow she's still

1047
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: held up and applauded as some great, wonderful savior. And

1048
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: when you know, wise stage of the Democratic Party, give

1049
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: me a break. So his basic point here, it's actually

1050
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 1: so heartening to hear it articulate in this blunt way

1051
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: of like, why are you sneering and condescending at these

1052
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: voters who wish they had other choices than Biden and Trump?

1053
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: Why don't you get busy actually trying to appeal to

1054
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: them and actually listening to their concerns instead of lecturing

1055
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: to them about how they should feel about the situation.

1056
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,439
Speaker 4: So listen, Stephen A. Smith is not some.

1057
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: Like leftist Bernie bro He really prides himself on being

1058
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: this kind of middle of the road guy.

1059
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 4: He's got a friendship with Sean Hannity.

1060
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: They go back and for you know, he's not like,

1061
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: you know, some lefty, lefty kind of a fella. So

1062
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: for him to have that just like normy instinct of

1063
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: what are you talking about and who do you think

1064
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 1: you're winning over with this?

1065
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 4: Is it's nice to see.

1066
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was enjoyably agree. I also liked Stephen. Our

1067
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 2: producers informed me he is a fellow traveler in the

1068
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 2: anti weed movement and for else saying stay off the weeds.

1069
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 3: So Stephen, we appreciate you. Love brotherhood. There's very very.

1070
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 1: Few I vicariously consume a lot of Stephen A.

1071
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 4: Smith content because Kyle.

1072
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: Loves this fan. He watches everything he puts out. We

1073
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: listened to his thoughts on Diddy last night.

1074
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 3: Was what did he say?

1075
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,240
Speaker 1: You know, he's very careful on that, fun, very careful

1076
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: on this. It was kind of interesting is and he

1077
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: kept brazing the point of like, was it really necessary

1078
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: to have all this force and you know, this big

1079
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: show before the helicopters and the boats and everything compromised.

1080
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 1: So he was clearly he's trying to be a little careful,

1081
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:45,720
Speaker 1: a little more diplomatic than normally.

1082
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 4: Stephen A. Smith is very un I was kind of surprised.

1083
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't know.

1084
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: I watched the whole Jason Whitlock back and forth again

1085
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 1: vicariously through Cox.

1086
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 4: I appreciate that in.

1087
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 2: A political context, I truly do not understand the appeal

1088
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 2: of watching grown men yell at each other sports and

1089
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Speaker 2: having like full on major disagreements about like who's bad

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Speaker 2: and who's I'm just like, this is psychotic.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, you know, if you're going

1093
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 2: to live, and that's gonna make your whole personality and

1094
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 2: that's the thing that you care most about.

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00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 3: I guess I could see the entertainment value. I get it.

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Speaker 4: I used to.

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Speaker 1: I mean I used to be a really big sports fan.

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00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: I watched you know, pardon interruption and all this stuff,

1099
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: so and I was really into it. So I totally

1100
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 1: get the appeal. It's not that different from the appeal

1101
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 1: that people get in like the political horse race. It's

1102
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: kind of a similar similar energy. But his podcast it's

1103
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 1: wide ranging. I mean he interviews presidential cannons and all

1104
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: kinds of different cultural figures and whatever wass in on

1105
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: things like you know, Diddy and Joe Biden and whatever

1106
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 1: else you can imagine. So anyway, he's the thing that's

1107
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: extraordinary about him is politically he's not where I am

1108
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: at all. But he's so talented of a communicator that

1109
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: you just want to listen to him anyway. And he's

1110
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: so charming that even when he says something that coming

1111
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 1: from someone else would really irritate me or piss me off.

1112
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Speaker 3: I'm like, eh, fair enough.

1113
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, so anyway, sign of a talented communicator.

1114
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Speaker 3: I say, we go.

1115
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Speaker 1: Massive fallout over Israel striking three times that humanitarian aid

1116
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,760
Speaker 1: convoy of you know, international aid workers trying to feed

1117
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: starving gosens. We've got the reaction now from the Biden

1118
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: White House. Let's put this up on the screen. Here

1119
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: is from Politico. They say Biden's not changing the Israel

1120
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: policy after deadly strike on aid workers. Some of the

1121
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 1: senior officials think that is a blatantly and horrific and

1122
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:31,280
Speaker 1: stupid mistake. The tweet that they sent out of this article,

1123
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: the headline they put with it was quote angry Biden

1124
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:39,439
Speaker 1: not changing Israel policy, which really kind of sums everything up.

1125
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Speaker 1: He pretends like he's mad. Maybe he really is mad.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: But what does it matter if you're not going to

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00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 1: change the policy at all, because that's the message that

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00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: Israel gets, like, oh, we just killed seven aid workers

1130
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,879
Speaker 1: for jose Andrece, who's this famous, you know, worldwide known

1131
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: liberal chef who's very close with any people in the

1132
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: Biden administration. And even that we can get away with

1133
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: and there's zero change in terms of policy. You know,

1134
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,280
Speaker 1: this comes at a time where there's just a report

1135
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: that officials from the US Agency for International Development warned

1136
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: that the enclave was now already experiencing famine. They say,

1137
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: the level of hunger is unprecedented in modern history. So

1138
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 1: now you have all of these aid organizations that have

1139
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: suspended work in the Gaza strip because they cannot keep

1140
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: their workers safe. So huge consequences for you know, this

1141
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: territory that is now where people are starving to death.

1142
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 1: And you have some quotes here from within the administration,

1143
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: you say, they say in the article, President Joe Biden

1144
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: was privately enraged by the deadly strike and in a

1145
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 1: public statement upgrade at Israel for calling for accountability to

1146
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: those responsible, demanding more humanitarian assistants be allowed into Gaza.

1147
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 1: But two senior administration officials say that that is as

1148
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,959
Speaker 1: far as he in the White House will go for now.

1149
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: They go on to say this has caused some fishers

1150
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: within the administration. It's just rinse and repeat with the Israelis.

1151
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,879
Speaker 1: The American political system can't or won't draw real line

1152
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: with them, and that is regrettable. According to a senior

1153
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 1: US official. So Sager, same old Samuel from Joe Biden. Oh,

1154
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 1: he's upset, he's angry, he's gonna have a difficult conversation

1155
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: with BBNT Yahoo.

1156
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:24,839
Speaker 4: But that's it.

1157
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: No actual change to policy, which is the only thing

1158
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: that matters.

1159
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, the entire thing is actually insane because what we

1160
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 2: are watching is the even previous Israel supporters, people like

1161
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 2: Richard Haas, like Mourning Joe, all these other people, even

1162
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 2: they are sounding off. I will say, I mean personally,

1163
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 2: just like annoyed at the idea that these people look,

1164
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 2: these aid workers. I have nothing against him, but for

1165
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 2: some reason they're held up as like more human than

1166
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 2: everybody else who has died. I think that's we will

1167
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 2: get to that, and we will get to that. But

1168
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 2: I think it's that is just the point to me

1169
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,439
Speaker 2: where I'm like, okay, guys, like you know, all human

1170
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 2: beings are are equal. And I don't know why thie

1171
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 2: level democratic donor liberal darling staff is enough to ignite

1172
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 2: in international right.

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00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:14,720
Speaker 1: No, No, I do know, because they and this actually,

1174
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: can you guys put up which number is this in

1175
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: this block?

1176
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 7: Nine?

1177
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Speaker 4: It's the very last this twelve?

1178
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, put up the twelfth element here because this is

1179
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: from this Aaron David Miller interview in The New Yorker

1180
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: with Isaac Chattner, who's famous for these sort of like

1181
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 1: tough interviews. And I'm going to read a little bit

1182
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: more than what is up here on the screen, because

1183
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: this gets to exactly your point, Soccer, two hundred AID

1184
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: workers had already been murdered before these seven individuals, not

1185
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: to mention tens of thousands of Gossen's. So why is

1186
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:54,280
Speaker 1: there a different reaction here? Why wasn't this upset and concern,

1187
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: you know, the moment that there were so many innocent

1188
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,919
Speaker 1: civilians being killed. Okay, so before we get to this quote,

1189
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 1: they say, you're Chattner says, you're saying you have no

1190
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: investment in one analysis or another. I could be wrong,

1191
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 1: but when I was listening to you talk, and this

1192
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: is Aaron David Miller, who's this former State Department official

1193
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 1: and wise by Beltway Foreign Affairs Morning Joe type of guy,

1194
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: and you discuss the words of October seventh, I sense

1195
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: an emotion in your voice that I haven't heard at

1196
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: any other time in this conversation. I don't want to

1197
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 1: criticize that, but I do wonder if the people make

1198
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: policy in America don't have that same emotion when it

1199
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Speaker 1: comes to Palestinian lives. Do you think that's fair? Aaron

1200
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 1: David Miller says, I think it's fair to say, yes,

1201
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 1: that American Americans have a pro Israeli sensibility. I don't

1202
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 1: think there's any question about that. Clinton wrote in his

1203
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: memoir he loved Yitzak Rabin as he loved no man

1204
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 1: rarely loved any other man, which is extraordinary. I watched

1205
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 1: Clinton grieve in the wake of Raben's murder, and when

1206
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 1: Biden gave the speech on October tenth, you watch the

1207
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: tears well up in his eyes.

1208
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 4: He talked about the black hole of loss.

1209
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: He's conflated the tragedies in his own personal life with

1210
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: what Israeli's felt on that day, and then we come

1211
00:55:56,640 --> 00:56:00,040
Speaker 1: to this quote. Yes, that's very moving, Chatner says, but

1212
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: there is another kind of loss going on now, which

1213
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 1: he apparently can't conflate with his own experience, to which

1214
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: Aaron David Miller replies, Oh, if you're asking me, do

1215
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 1: I think that Joe Biden has the same depth of

1216
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: feeling and empathy for the Palestinians of Gaza as he

1217
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 1: does for the Israelis. No, he does it, nor does.

1218
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 4: He convey it.

1219
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: I don't think there is any doubt about that. And

1220
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: that's what it comes down to. That's true for Joe Biden.

1221
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,240
Speaker 1: The Israelis are human, he relates to them, he sees

1222
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 1: his own life in them. Palestinians they're not. There's no

1223
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: I mean, there's no other conclusion you can come to.

1224
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: So it took having aid workers, including an American, who

1225
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: are affiliated with an organization run by a man that

1226
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: he knows who's an actual human being to him. It

1227
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: took them being killed before he really seems to have

1228
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: any sense of the humanity and the loss that's being

1229
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: experienced here. So I actually think that's a very key

1230
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,919
Speaker 1: point soccer, because listen, I'm glad to see that they're

1231
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,839
Speaker 1: upset about these individuals being killed. But you do have

1232
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 1: to ask yourself, you know where was this upset so

1233
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 1: much earlier on? When you see children starving to death,

1234
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 1: That doesn't, you know, elicit your sympathy. That doesn't hit

1235
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: in the same way it's it's but this is this

1236
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: is what.

1237
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 4: It comes down to.

1238
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: I really think those comments are so revealing and so

1239
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: accurate as to the dynamic.

1240
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 4: That's going on here.

1241
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 3: Oh, I totally agree.

1242
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: But as you were mentioning, Biden has lost all kinds

1243
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 1: of resistance liberals at this point with regards to his

1244
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: Israel policy. And perhaps most implematic of that was a

1245
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: segment on Morning Joe with Elise Jordan, who is a

1246
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 1: former Conda Lisa Rice staffer and worked at the NSC,

1247
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: and she went off with regards to Biden's lack of

1248
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 1: policy reaction to the killing of these AID workers.

1249
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to that.

1250
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 5: This has been bubbling up from behind the scenes for

1251
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 5: a while. President by Franklin is furious at Prime Minister

1252
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 5: den Yahoo, but yet still his administration has not conditioned

1253
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 5: sale weapons sales conditioned AID. They haven't done it yet. Now,

1254
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 5: maybe this is the moment that comes. This also happens

1255
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 5: just we think a week or two perhaps before this

1256
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 5: RAFA offensive, which really could be a flashpoint.

1257
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 11: Okay, I'm so sick of hearing how upset President Biden is.

1258
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 8: The butt stops with him.

1259
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 11: If he wants to stop arm cells, if he wants

1260
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 11: to stop the bombs that are indiscriminately killing civilians.

1261
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 8: He can, he has the power.

1262
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 11: We don't need him going and his aids, going to

1263
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 11: reporters and talking all background about how upset they are.

1264
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 11: What happened yesterday is still going to happen. When at

1265
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 11: Miika's conference, the head of the Palestinian Red Crescent spoke

1266
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 11: and she was incredibly moving this.

1267
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 8: It was an Abu Dhabi and she spoke.

1268
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 11: About the difficulty of aid getting in the country period

1269
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 11: from the north or south, and she's described a process

1270
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 11: that was kind of like the TSA, changing the rules

1271
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 11: every single day going through airport security. Until those checkpoints

1272
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 11: are working and aid is going through, we don't need

1273
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 11: to be giving any more armsaled their money. It needs

1274
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 11: to stop. It needs to be conditional. It's ridiculous that

1275
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 11: it's going on unchecked and unfettered, and we're sitting around

1276
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 11: and talking how upset we are while we hembrhage billions

1277
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 11: of dollars.

1278
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 5: It's the worst of all worlds right now for the president.

1279
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 12: The criticism looks increasingly empty.

1280
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 4: So there you go.

1281
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 1: Morning Joe very importedly Joe Biden's favorite morning show program

1282
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 1: turning on him and I mean Alis Jordan quite aggressive.

1283
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 1: They're are saying no more military aid. This is ridiculous.

1284
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: I'm sick of hearing about how upset they are. They

1285
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 1: need to actually do something, So that was quite striking.

1286
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 1: We also had Barck revied, who is a reporter from Axios.

1287
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 1: It has actually been I think one of the favored

1288
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,439
Speaker 1: reporters of administration in terms of the information that they've

1289
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 1: given him throughout this conflict. He also previously served in

1290
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 1: the IDF, so that we ken not some big lefty

1291
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 1: out there, but with some pretty striking comments made actually

1292
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: multiple appearance on CNN, but this was with Anderson Cooper.

1293
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 1: Take a listen to what he had to say about

1294
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 1: the approach of the Israelis.

1295
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 8: It is clear to everybody that what happened with this

1296
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 8: strike was a serious violation of the idea of protocols

1297
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 8: and rules of engagement. Okay, to call it a misidentification

1298
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 8: or a mistake, you know, that's the understatement of the century.

1299
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Speaker 6: Okay.

1300
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 8: And this is not an isolated incident. The reason that

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Speaker 8: we talk about it here is because it's WCK. It's

1302
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Speaker 8: a very well known and famous NGO. But those incidents

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Speaker 8: happen every few days in Goz. There is a disconnect

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Speaker 8: between how the IDF senior brass is looking at this

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Speaker 8: and how it develops the rules of engagement and the orders,

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Speaker 8: and what happens when those percolate down to the forces

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Speaker 8: in Goz especially to the field commanders, the lieutenant colonels,

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Speaker 8: the colonels, the brigade commanders, the battalion commanders. They're not

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Speaker 8: in the same place as the senior commands.

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Speaker 13: But do you say they're not in the same place

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Speaker 13: both literally, they're in Gaza, they're not in headquarters, and

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Speaker 13: they're also the ones fighting, and they have a different

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Speaker 13: attitude about let's just get this done.

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Speaker 8: I think they're they each commander on the ground has

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Speaker 8: a different interpretation of the orders. And this is why

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Speaker 8: you see what you see. And this is not a disaster.

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Speaker 8: This is a recipe for a disaster, not only in Gaza,

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Speaker 8: but for the destruction of a professional military. Okay, this

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Speaker 8: is not how professional military conducts its operations. Three Israeli

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Speaker 8: hostages that manage to escape their captors were killed by

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Speaker 8: Israeli soldiers who fired at them even though they were

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Speaker 8: holding a white flag. Okay, And you know, I spoke

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Speaker 8: to an Israeli reserve officer who was in the same

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Speaker 8: unit of those soldiers who shot those hostages. And remember

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Speaker 8: him telling me that the orders are basically from the

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Speaker 8: commanders on the ground is just shoot every man in fighting.

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Speaker 1: Age, shoot every man in fighting age. He also, I mean,

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Speaker 1: he makes a number of comments there that are quite striking.

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Speaker 1: He says to call this a mistake or a misidentification

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Speaker 1: understatement of the century, says, this is not an isolated incident.

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Speaker 1: We're paying attention now, as Saga is pointing out, because

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Speaker 1: of who Jose Andreas is and so it's joked this

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Speaker 1: international outrage, but he points out this is happening in

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Speaker 1: Gaza all the time, and also dovetail Saga with reporting

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Speaker 1: from Haretz you recently about how the Israeli military is

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Speaker 1: basically identified these quote unquote kill zones, where anyone who

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Speaker 1: enters these areas they just assume as a militant and

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Speaker 1: they kill them, and they stack them up on their.

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Speaker 4: Account of supposed militants killed.

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Speaker 1: So when they say, oh, we've killed nine thousand Hamas terrorists,

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Speaker 1: that includes any military age man that happened to get

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Speaker 1: in their way or anyone who happened to wander into

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Speaker 1: these kill zones, they count them as terrorist. So really

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Speaker 1: important comments there from Barack Ravine. And again the fact

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Speaker 1: that even someone like him, who really tried to be,

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Speaker 1: you know, a neutral reporter and who has had a

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Speaker 1: direct line to administration in many instances, that he's saying

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Speaker 1: these sorts of things is pretty extraordinary.

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Speaker 3: Of course.

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Speaker 2: And he has more insight really than any of us.

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Speaker 2: He does some of the best reporting, just like pure

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Speaker 2: info both from the Israeli side and the White House side.

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Speaker 2: He's got like a direct line to the NSC.

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Speaker 3: Seemingly.

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Speaker 2: Just last night, jose Andres actually spoke about this incident

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Speaker 2: and accused the Israeli government of directly actually targeting his workers.

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Speaker 3: Here's what he had to say.

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Speaker 14: But I know is that we were targeted deliberately, not

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Speaker 14: a stuff until everybody was dead in this convoy. This

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Speaker 14: happened over more than one point five one point eight

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Speaker 14: y dometer, So this was not use bad luck situation

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Speaker 14: where oops, we dropped the bomb in the wrong place

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Speaker 14: or no. This was over one point five one point

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Speaker 14: in eight kilometers with a very defined humanitarian convoy that

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Speaker 14: had signs in the top, in the roof. That cannot

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Speaker 14: be the role of an army. That cannot be the

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Speaker 14: role of an army that has hundreds of drones above

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Speaker 14: Gaza in any single moment. Humanitarians and civilians should never

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Speaker 14: be paying the consequences of war. This is a basic

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Speaker 14: principle of humanity. At the time, this looks like it's

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Speaker 14: not a war against Rism anymore. Seems this is a

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Speaker 14: war against humanity itself.

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Speaker 2: Very extraordinary comments there for him to say something like

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Speaker 2: that on top of the op ed that he was

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Speaker 2: written Crystal, But it look, I do think this will

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Speaker 2: be a change in US policy or be a big change,

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Speaker 2: but we have just a return to Look, we've been

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Speaker 2: covering this stuff day in and day out, and it's like,

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Speaker 2: if it's really this is what it takes. I mean,

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Speaker 2: look at a certain point, I do, of course care

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Speaker 2: that an American citizen here was killed. But it's like

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Speaker 2: all of this, the patterns that people have been able

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Speaker 2: to observe now for almost six months. Yeah, it's like

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Speaker 2: April fourth, so we're coming up on the six month

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Speaker 2: anniversary of October seventh. That's been present for several several months,

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Speaker 2: you know, for a lot of people. But you know,

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Speaker 2: if anything, you know, if that's what it takes to break.

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Speaker 1: It, So be it well, and what jose Andres is

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Speaker 1: speaking there too is really the obvious and ultimately unavoidable

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Speaker 1: conclusion that they were directly and intentionally targeted.

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Speaker 4: When you look at.

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Speaker 1: The facts, three cars, three separate drone strikes, the cars

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Speaker 1: clearly marked, the cars in a deconfliction zone, the cars

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Speaker 1: having coordinated directly with the IDF. We're leaving our warehouse

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Speaker 1: now where our food is stored, we are traveling up

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Speaker 1: this road, and still they are hit, not once, not twice,

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Speaker 1: but three times. The first car that is struck, the

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Speaker 1: other two cars stop, and the survivors of that strike

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Speaker 1: get into one of the other cars and continue down

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Speaker 1: the road.

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Speaker 4: Then they hit again, and once again.

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Speaker 1: The third car stops and the remaining survivors the third car,

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Speaker 1: and then they hit that third car. And you expect

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Speaker 1: us to believe this was misidentification and complex circumstances. Anyone

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Speaker 1: with half a brain can see that is total and

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Speaker 1: complete bullshit. And by the way, the story that's coming

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Speaker 1: out from the IDF, you know, is told to Haretz

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Speaker 1: and others, has already been changing. You know, originally there

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Speaker 1: was a supposed someone who was armed.

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Speaker 4: That was at the warehouse.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you're in a war zone. First of all,

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Speaker 1: the fact that there's someone with a gun doesn't make

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Speaker 1: them harmas when you're trying to escort an AID convoy.

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Speaker 1: Second of all, is it really justified for that's your

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Speaker 1: your rules of engagement is even if this was some

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Speaker 1: Hamas person who was in this convoy at some point,

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Speaker 1: that gives you license to murder everyone in this convoy.

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Speaker 1: So that was disgusting and preposterous to start with. And

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Speaker 1: now we're getting into like, oh well, it was confusing,

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Speaker 1: and it was complex, and it was a mistake and

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Speaker 1: it was accident, and as jose andres Here himself is saying,

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Speaker 1: that just does not hold water whatsoever. By the way,

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Speaker 1: it's not just people like him or the folks on

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Speaker 1: Morning Joe or a Barack Revied who are sounding notes

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Speaker 1: like that.

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Speaker 4: Put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: There's a report that from Al Jazeera that UK's Rishi

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Speaker 1: Studina Prime Minister has informed Netanyahu that the UK is

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Speaker 1: now considering declaring that Israel has been violating international law.

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Speaker 1: So the UK getting way ahead of our administration in

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Speaker 1: terms of actually acknowledging what is at this point I

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Speaker 1: think undeniable reality based on the facts that we've all

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Speaker 1: been witnessing now for months at this point, and I

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Speaker 1: also don't want to lose sight of you know, the

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Speaker 1: American citizen who was killed here, and Biden previously said,

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Speaker 1: you know, when American is hard or injured or killed,

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Speaker 1: we will respond to put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: This is Jacob Flickinger. He was the US Canadian citizen

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Speaker 1: who was killed by the IDF while he's delivering food

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Speaker 1: aid in Gaza. He was a retired Master corporal, served

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Speaker 1: eleven years in the Canadian Army, including a tour in Afghanistan.

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Speaker 1: He was a father and he was the sole provider

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Speaker 1: to a one year old baby boy. So you know,

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Speaker 1: a real loss to him, to that child, to you know,

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Speaker 1: his family, his loved ones.

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Speaker 4: Our hearts go out to them.

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Speaker 1: And let me put this next piece up on the screen,

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Speaker 1: because this speaks to the shifting stories that we've heard

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Speaker 1: at this point from the IDF. The latest report from Haretz,

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Speaker 1: as explained here by a great journalist Dumi reader, is

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Speaker 1: that the bombing of the convoy was not a communication,

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Speaker 1: as have commanders and units in the field ignoring instructions

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Speaker 1: and disobeying orders, not for the first time. One, an

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Speaker 1: IDF intelligence source says the general staff know exactly why

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Speaker 1: World Central Kitchen was bombed because in the Strip everyone

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Speaker 1: does whatever they like. It's unclear whether the commanders asked

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Speaker 1: for more senior officers permission to target the they were

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Speaker 1: meant to be doing for standing orders. Same sources dismissed

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Speaker 1: the line taken by the Chief of Staff Hertzy Halevi

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Speaker 1: and Defense Minister yo Of Galant, who suggested the bombing

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Speaker 1: was the result of coordination issues. Quote this has nothing

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Speaker 1: to do with coordination. They can set up another twenty

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Speaker 1: coordination hubs. But if someone doesn't put an end to

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Speaker 1: how some forces in the Strip have been operating, we'll

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Speaker 1: see this happen time and time again.

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Speaker 4: End quote.

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Speaker 1: One of the perplexing things perhaps here at Sagar is,

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Speaker 1: you know, Israel has very aggressively, you know, sought to

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Speaker 1: undermine the UNRA, which was the primary aid organization on

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Speaker 1: the ground. The US has all you know, completely gone

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Speaker 1: along with that, by the way, and so they also

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Speaker 1: have been trying to do a propaganda effort to deny

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Speaker 1: what has been you know, made clear by the photos

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Speaker 1: and images coming out of the Gaza Strip and also

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Speaker 1: by the analysis of aid organizations on the ground that

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Speaker 1: the people of Gaza are starving, they're starving to death.

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Speaker 4: And it's because of Israeli policy. So interesting.

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Speaker 1: They've actually been using World Central Kitchen as like a

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Speaker 1: propaganda point to that, Look we're working, we don't need UNRA.

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Speaker 1: We've got these guys. Look they're feeding people, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: And World Central Kitchen was genuinely doing fantastic work and

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Speaker 1: was important. They were not a replacement for UNRA. Obviously

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Speaker 1: it is wildly inadequate for the amount of need. But

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Speaker 1: that was part of what was so wild about this

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Speaker 1: targeting and this killing was the fact that these rallies

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Speaker 1: were actually propping them up. Is this like propaganda piece?

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Speaker 1: So you know, on the one hand, this report that oh,

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Speaker 1: it's just because of these like rogue units on the

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Speaker 1: ground seems to be a bit of a blame shifting

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Speaker 1: and ignoring the fact that you know, you've had two

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Speaker 1: hundred AID workers killed and it's clearly these reelies, certainly

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Speaker 1: at the very least, don't care. And you've had this

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Speaker 1: targeting of the entire civilian population through the policy of

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Speaker 1: siege and you know, destroying civilian infrastructure destroying the healthcare system,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. But in the same respect, you know, it

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Speaker 1: seems it's it's pretty wild that they went ahead and

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Speaker 1: murdered the AID workers with the organization that they have

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Speaker 1: themselves been propping up as an alternative done right, and they.

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Speaker 2: Have offered no alternative explanation to why anything like that

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Speaker 2: even happened. Final and important piece here, let's put this

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Speaker 2: up there on the screen. Haretz actually issued an editorial

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Speaker 2: saying that the war must end in Gaza now. They

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Speaker 2: say the incident in which seven people were killed, among

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Speaker 2: them various citizens were killed in Israeli attack cannot end

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01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:18,760
Speaker 2: with a comprehensive and transparent investigation as was promised what

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Speaker 2: it happens, and that we will do everything that's so

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Speaker 2: called not to happen again, it is not sufficient. They

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01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:26,240
Speaker 2: say that the an end to the war is the

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Speaker 2: only possible way.

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Speaker 3: To move forward.

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Speaker 2: I think that's where people like Barak Ravid and any others,

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Speaker 2: you know, people who are supportive of Israel are seeing

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Speaker 2: is they're like, hey, you know, our nation is not

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Speaker 2: going to recover from something like this for a long time.

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01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:43,759
Speaker 2: You know, in terms of international legitimacy, is basically scrambled

1516
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 2: the board in a way that very least has not

1517
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:48,639
Speaker 2: happened since the nineteen seventies, and it took a long

1518
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 2: time for Israel to climate itself out of that. Obviously,

1519
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:53,280
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff has changed, so I do think

1520
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 2: that those will be very significant. And definitely watching the UK,

1521
01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:59,799
Speaker 2: the European Union knew some news coming out that Spain

1522
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 2: and the EU intend to officially recognize a Palestinian state

1523
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:06,960
Speaker 2: sometime in the next few months. That too could actually

1524
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 2: significantly change things up and change relationships with Israel as well,

1525
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:11,679
Speaker 2: So we'll see it's going to be interesting.

1526
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Speaker 1: Let's talk a little about a little more of the

1527
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 1: political fallout for Joe Biden. So really, in recent years

1528
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:22,759
Speaker 1: there's been a tradition at the White House of hosting

1529
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:28,760
Speaker 1: Ramadan if Tar dinner inviting prominent Muslim Americans to that dinner. Well,

1530
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 1: this year that if Tar dinner had to be canceled

1531
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:32,720
Speaker 1: because no one was willing to show up.

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01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 4: Let's put this up on the screen.

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01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 1: This says White if Tar canceled after many Muslims decline invite.

1534
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 1: And if you read the article, they say that several

1535
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:44,719
Speaker 1: Muslim Americans declined to go and protests of Joe Biden's

1536
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 1: support for Israel's war on Gaza.

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01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 4: The sources who spoke to al Jazeer on.

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01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 1: Condition of anonymity in this reporting is backed up by

1539
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:52,559
Speaker 1: Washing Post and other outlets as well. So the cancelation

1540
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 1: on Tuesday came after those Muslim community members warned leaders

1541
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 1: against attending the White House meal. Quote the American Muslim

1542
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:02,200
Speaker 1: community said very early on, it would be completely unacceptable

1543
01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:04,240
Speaker 1: for us to break bread with the very same White

1544
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:07,479
Speaker 1: House that is enabling Israeli government to starve and slaughter

1545
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 1: the palaestinating people in Gaza.

1546
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:11,040
Speaker 4: Both CNN and NPR.

1547
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 1: Had previously reported the White House was preparing a community

1548
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:16,560
Speaker 1: if Tar, so they had planned to do this and

1549
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:18,640
Speaker 1: had to back out of it when they couldn't get

1550
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 1: anyone outside of their own staffers to attend. Hours later

1551
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:24,680
Speaker 1: on Tuesday, the White House announced instead it would be

1552
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:27,920
Speaker 1: hosting a meal from Muslim government staffers and holding a

1553
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 1: separate meeting with a few Muslim American community figures.

1554
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 4: Apparently, that meeting that was held did not.

1555
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:38,639
Speaker 1: Go particularly well, based on the reports of those who

1556
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:42,639
Speaker 1: participated in the meeting. Here is one doctor who said

1557
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:45,639
Speaker 1: that he was forced to walk out of the meeting

1558
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:48,920
Speaker 1: because he was so disgusted with the Biden administration.

1559
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 4: Let's listen to his explanation.

1560
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 15: You know, we had shown up to this meeting really

1561
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:54,639
Speaker 15: concerned about what was taking place in the Gaza strip,

1562
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 15: and I'm glad that you mentioned that we were insisting

1563
01:13:57,640 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 15: that there not be any food. There made no sense

1564
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:02,760
Speaker 15: for us to sort of break bread while talking about

1565
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 15: a famine taking place. We had shown up in the

1566
01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 15: President and the Vice President, the National Security Advisor in

1567
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:11,760
Speaker 15: the room, and it was very brief comments by the

1568
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:13,760
Speaker 15: President saying he wants to hear from us, and he

1569
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 15: wants to listen to us. And so I spoke first,

1570
01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:18,640
Speaker 15: and I let him know that I am from a

1571
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:21,800
Speaker 15: community that's reeling. We are grieving, and our heart is

1572
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 15: broken for what's been taking place over the last six months,

1573
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:27,720
Speaker 15: and that the rhetoric that has been coming out of

1574
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:30,479
Speaker 15: the Biden administration that's been coming out of the White House,

1575
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:33,400
Speaker 15: it's frustrated a lot of people, especially people who are

1576
01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:37,920
Speaker 15: Palestinian Americans, Muslim Americans, aut of Americans. We are not

1577
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 15: satisfied with what has taken place. There has been no

1578
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:44,599
Speaker 15: concrete steps, but keep in mind We're very concerned about

1579
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 15: the people that are over in the Gaza strip, that

1580
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:49,320
Speaker 15: are in Palestine right now, who are not just starving,

1581
01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:52,280
Speaker 15: but are facing the threat of allumining a off invasion.

1582
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:54,720
Speaker 15: And so I was able to share that with the

1583
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:56,840
Speaker 15: President and let him know that out of respect for

1584
01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 15: my community, out of respect for all of the people

1585
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 15: who have suffered and who have been killed in the process,

1586
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 15: I need to walk out of the meeting, and I

1587
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 15: want to walk out with decision makers and let them

1588
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 15: know what it feels like for somebody to say something

1589
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 15: and then walk away from them and not hear them

1590
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:12,839
Speaker 15: out and not hear their response.

1591
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:17,120
Speaker 3: Wow. I mean, how did President Biden respond to that?

1592
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 15: You know, there wasn't a lot of response. He actually

1593
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 15: said that he understood, and I walked away.

1594
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 1: So pretty extraordinary for that to be that interview to

1595
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:30,439
Speaker 1: be occurring on CNN. Also NBC News at additional reporting

1596
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:33,040
Speaker 1: of some of the commentary from inside of meeting, other

1597
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 1: indications this did not go particularly well. Another doctor can

1598
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:39,599
Speaker 1: put this up on the screen. Who attended was taken

1599
01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:43,640
Speaker 1: aback when she showed Biden Prince of photos of malnourished

1600
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:46,840
Speaker 1: children and women in Gaza to which Biden responded he

1601
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:50,400
Speaker 1: had seen those images before. The only problem, the doctor

1602
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:53,080
Speaker 1: said was that she had printed those photos from her

1603
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 1: own iPhone, so there was no way he could have

1604
01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 1: seen those photos before, Soger, which speaks both to the

1605
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:02,160
Speaker 1: fact that you know, to him, all the starving gosins

1606
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:04,240
Speaker 1: that he'd say I was all the same, and it

1607
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:07,920
Speaker 1: also speaks to like an age befuddlement issue as well,

1608
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:11,400
Speaker 1: So you got a double whammy there. But I think

1609
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:13,680
Speaker 1: it speaks to what we were discussing earlier, which is

1610
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:17,080
Speaker 1: just you know, to him, Israeli's are full human beings

1611
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:20,640
Speaker 1: that he has full empathy for, and Palestinians are not.

1612
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 1: And you know, the only reason he's at this height

1613
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 1: of anger but still not changing his policy, by the way,

1614
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 1: right now, is because he has a personal connection to

1615
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:33,200
Speaker 1: Jose Andres. But all of these images of starving children,

1616
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 1: children who are buried under rubble, you know, body parts

1617
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:38,920
Speaker 1: drewn about a hospital.

1618
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:42,120
Speaker 4: Courtyard, none of this is really landing for him.

1619
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:45,120
Speaker 1: It's not really impacting him, certainly not in the way

1620
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:48,960
Speaker 1: that the atrocities committing committed on October seventh did. And

1621
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:51,680
Speaker 1: there was one other interesting piece of reporting that I

1622
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:55,040
Speaker 1: just saw this morning from this meeting, which is, according

1623
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:58,840
Speaker 1: to what Joe Biden said inside of this meeting, his

1624
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:03,679
Speaker 1: own wife has begged him to stop this war, saying, quote,

1625
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:05,720
Speaker 1: stop it, stop it now.

1626
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:08,160
Speaker 4: This is from a report in the New York Times.

1627
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 1: Again per Joe Biden, and what he said in this meeting,

1628
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:15,000
Speaker 1: so interesting that even his own wife potentially is very

1629
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:18,280
Speaker 1: distressed by what she is seeing coming out of the

1630
01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:20,600
Speaker 1: Gaza strip and begging him to put an end to it.

1631
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:22,519
Speaker 1: And Jill Biden herself has faced, you know, plenty of

1632
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 1: chart testers. Well, she's tried to go out and campaign

1633
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:27,680
Speaker 1: as well. So you know those people who are out there,

1634
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:32,839
Speaker 1: activists who are forcing Jill Biden, Joe Biden, Kareem Jompierre,

1635
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:35,640
Speaker 1: all of these officials to have to reckon with what

1636
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:38,320
Speaker 1: they're doing and what they're enabling every single day, potentially

1637
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:40,599
Speaker 1: having an impact here on Jill Biden at least.

1638
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:43,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is definitely significant. The fact is

1639
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:45,680
Speaker 2: is that, I mean, this is part of what is

1640
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 2: annoying too. It's like they're like it's a Muslim problem.

1641
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:51,200
Speaker 2: It's not just Muslims, you know that object to this.

1642
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 2: They in general, from what we can see is that.

1643
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 2: I think that he in particular as this emotional connect.

1644
01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 2: Plus he's stubborn, plus he's old, and it's a media

1645
01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:06,720
Speaker 2: issue where at the end of the day, you know,

1646
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:11,719
Speaker 2: Biden doesn't even live in reality. He lives in basically

1647
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 2: like nineteen nineties America. He watches a little bit of

1648
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:16,360
Speaker 2: cable news a little bit, and then he reads like

1649
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:19,120
Speaker 2: hardcover newsprint. That's not how the vast majority of people

1650
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:21,439
Speaker 2: are experiencing news around this conflict. And I think that

1651
01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 2: when you think, you know, considering that informs the worldview

1652
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:27,360
Speaker 2: that he brings to this, and it also I think

1653
01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:30,360
Speaker 2: probably informs us as to just why he is so

1654
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:33,080
Speaker 2: steadfast and refusing to change the policy, even if his

1655
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:34,360
Speaker 2: advisors may tell him different.

1656
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 3: He's a stubborn old man. He's not going to listen

1657
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:36,240
Speaker 3: to them.

1658
01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 2: He is.

1659
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:37,519
Speaker 3: I think that's a huge part of it.

1660
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:42,719
Speaker 1: Completely ideologically committed to design asm period end of story.

1661
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:47,080
Speaker 1: It is he's willing to risk it all to maintain

1662
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 1: that commitment. I mean, at this point, I don't think

1663
01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:52,479
Speaker 1: you can really come up with any other explanation because

1664
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 1: you have so many members of his administration lee and

1665
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:56,960
Speaker 1: at this point that they're upset with the direction of

1666
01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 1: the policy you've got. He's lost Morning Joe, he lost

1667
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:02,800
Speaker 1: the Pod, Save lost Jose Andres He's losing the UK

1668
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:06,800
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. And you know, we continue to have significant

1669
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:09,720
Speaker 1: uncommitted vote. There was a larger uncommitted vote in Wisconsin

1670
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:12,000
Speaker 1: this week than you know, the size of his margin

1671
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:15,040
Speaker 1: against Trump last time around. There was reporting about how

1672
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 1: Biden himself is seeing the poll members, is upset about

1673
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:19,560
Speaker 1: how much of an impact this is having on his

1674
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:23,759
Speaker 1: reelection prospects. We've brought to you so many polls about

1675
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 1: how the Democratic base is disgusted with this policy, but.

1676
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:29,720
Speaker 4: He apparently doesn't care.

1677
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:33,120
Speaker 1: None of it really lands, even his own He's even

1678
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:36,679
Speaker 1: lost his own wife apparently, and even that isn't having

1679
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:37,840
Speaker 1: any sort of a real impact.

1680
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:39,639
Speaker 4: There you go, all right, sagerway, looking.

1681
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:41,519
Speaker 2: At well over the last few years, it feels like

1682
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:44,559
Speaker 2: DEI has become a meaningless buzzword. I see it thrown

1683
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:47,519
Speaker 2: around by conservatives all the time. It's unfortunate because it

1684
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:49,800
Speaker 2: actually is a term with real meaning. I say this

1685
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:52,599
Speaker 2: to someone who hates DEI been warning about it for years,

1686
01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:54,439
Speaker 2: So I thought it would be fun if we dug

1687
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:58,000
Speaker 2: into some of the origins of DEI defined actual terms,

1688
01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:00,240
Speaker 2: and then we check to see how's it doing about

1689
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:01,920
Speaker 2: a decade or so into implementation.

1690
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:04,080
Speaker 3: Let's start with the basics. What is DEI?

1691
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:08,320
Speaker 2: DEI shorthand for diversity, equity and inclusion. DEI is the

1692
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:10,880
Speaker 2: ugly sister of the lean in movement of the early

1693
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:14,160
Speaker 2: twenty tens, where corporations and the media became obsessed with

1694
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:17,080
Speaker 2: twin concepts. One is that women make less than men

1695
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:20,000
Speaker 2: for exactly the same job, and two is that diversity

1696
01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:23,400
Speaker 2: of color, gender, or any other cosmetic attribute is an

1697
01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:25,720
Speaker 2: inherent good in and of itself, as long as it's

1698
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:28,719
Speaker 2: a minority. The reason that I've always hated these movements

1699
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:32,640
Speaker 2: is specifically because they are cosmetic. They are the embodiments

1700
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:35,200
Speaker 2: of the memes showing a female pilot dropping bombs and

1701
01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:37,280
Speaker 2: the victims saying, at least it was a woman who

1702
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:40,639
Speaker 2: killed me this time. If the corporation itself doesn't change,

1703
01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 2: and just the makeup of who runs that corporation does,

1704
01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:46,840
Speaker 2: why should we care. Nonetheless, the financial elites embrace lean

1705
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:50,599
Speaker 2: in DEI in the twenty tents, specifically to dispel ruling

1706
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:56,480
Speaker 2: class consciousness and especially to weaponize identity. Thus, effectively legalizing

1707
01:20:56,600 --> 01:21:00,320
Speaker 2: sexism and racism became legal in corporate America, where people

1708
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:03,559
Speaker 2: were specifically hired and promoted for the color of their skin,

1709
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:07,240
Speaker 2: their gender, or any other cosmetic attribute. Now, obviously, when

1710
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:09,519
Speaker 2: you put it that way, it sounds illegal and awful.

1711
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 2: So what corporate America had to do was twofold. One

1712
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:15,879
Speaker 2: they had to legitimize the racial and gender obsessed worldview

1713
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:18,600
Speaker 2: through the media. Two, they have to prove why this

1714
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:21,840
Speaker 2: is actually an inherent good for the business. This is

1715
01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 2: where the corporate consultants come in. As the Fortune five

1716
01:21:24,439 --> 01:21:27,679
Speaker 2: hundred CEOs clamored to justify DEI, they had to answer

1717
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:30,240
Speaker 2: to their shareholders, of course, and so they do what

1718
01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:30,920
Speaker 2: they always do.

1719
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:33,799
Speaker 3: They turned to McKinzie to justify their decision.

1720
01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:36,880
Speaker 2: Mackenzie is, of course happy to oblige, and for the

1721
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:41,599
Speaker 2: first near decade has been churning out research after research

1722
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:45,360
Speaker 2: propping up this false religion. From twenty fifteen to twenty

1723
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:50,280
Speaker 2: twenty three, Mackenzie published four studies that titled quote Diversity Matters,

1724
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:55,160
Speaker 2: Delivering through diversity, Diversity wins, How inclusion matters, and diversity

1725
01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:56,080
Speaker 2: matters even more.

1726
01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 3: The case for holistic impact. As the spectator writes quote.

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Speaker 2: The core claim of each study is that DEI leads

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01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:06,920
Speaker 2: to better corporate performance, thus more DEI, more profit. It's

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01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:11,160
Speaker 2: the same logic as past ESG studies from the last decade. Hilariously, though,

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01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:14,200
Speaker 2: just like the collapse of ESG, there has been actual,

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01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:17,880
Speaker 2: now independent review of said studies, and the results are

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01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:20,000
Speaker 2: not as clear cut as McKinsey may have led us

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01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:24,000
Speaker 2: to believe. In fact, a new paper from the ECON Journal,

1734
01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:27,200
Speaker 2: which tested the data within each one of these studies,

1735
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:31,800
Speaker 2: has concluded that they cannot be replicated at all independently.

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01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:35,200
Speaker 2: In fact, they find these studies quote should not be

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01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:38,559
Speaker 2: relied on to support the view that US publicly traded

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01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:42,640
Speaker 2: firms can expect to deliver improved financial performance if they

1739
01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:46,679
Speaker 2: increase racial and ethnic diversity of their executives. So basically,

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01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:51,280
Speaker 2: diversity of executives has no impact whatsoever on whether you

1741
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:54,640
Speaker 2: make money as a company, which means two things. Corporations

1742
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:57,840
Speaker 2: just paid billions of dollars to race huckster consultants who

1743
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:01,439
Speaker 2: set up entire firms guiding ds eye policies at these companies.

1744
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:05,240
Speaker 2: And two, most importantly, they discriminated against people based upon

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01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 2: the color of their skin or gender when making hiring decisions.

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01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:10,520
Speaker 3: We have proof of this definitively.

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01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:13,600
Speaker 2: Bloomberg in September of twenty twenty three ran data to

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01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 2: show that in twenty twenty twenty one alone, the number

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01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:19,599
Speaker 2: of so called people of color hired at eighty four

1750
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:22,760
Speaker 2: S and P five hundred companies had a ninety four

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01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:25,920
Speaker 2: percent increase then the year previously. So there was a

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01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:29,280
Speaker 2: ninety four percent increase possibly in the number of qualified applicants,

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01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:31,479
Speaker 2: or there were a whole lot of people who were

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01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:34,840
Speaker 2: hired explicitly because of the color of their skin over others. Now,

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01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:36,960
Speaker 2: keep in mind, this is a data set of nine

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01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:40,400
Speaker 2: million people who work at the largest and most lucrative

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01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:45,000
Speaker 2: firms in the US, including per Bloomberg, Apple, Walmart, Wells, Fargo,

1758
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:49,120
Speaker 2: Major Fortune, five hundreds across the board sector bisector in

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01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:52,120
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. That revolution in hiring occurred, and it

1760
01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:55,759
Speaker 2: is a certainly a direct violation of equal Opportunity provision

1761
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:58,600
Speaker 2: in the law, which dictates specifically that people should not

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01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:01,280
Speaker 2: be hired on race alone. And of course, keep in

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01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:03,840
Speaker 2: mind that's just twenty twenty one data. We have no

1764
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:06,360
Speaker 2: idea what insanity has been wrought in the last three years.

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01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:09,240
Speaker 2: This is all done for the sake of diversity itself,

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01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:11,960
Speaker 2: with no discernible impact that we can now show on

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01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:12,720
Speaker 2: the bottom line.

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Speaker 3: And that's why I'm doing this monologue.

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01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:16,360
Speaker 2: If you want to defend the merits of hiring people

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01:24:16,439 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 2: based purely on the color of their skin or whatever pronouns,

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01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:22,800
Speaker 2: then be my guest. But do not hide behind fake

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01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:26,439
Speaker 2: studies that are trotted out at these shareholder conferences. If

1773
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:29,120
Speaker 2: you want legalized racism, stand up and defend it on

1774
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 2: its own merits. I suspect that they will not, and

1775
01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:33,760
Speaker 2: they will ignore the results, because when you do, it's

1776
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:36,880
Speaker 2: just abhorrent to the American character, which is founded in

1777
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:40,280
Speaker 2: a fundamental belief of actual equality before the law and

1778
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:43,840
Speaker 2: in striving for equality of opportunity. The farther that we

1779
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:46,800
Speaker 2: have strayed from that, the more we have only exacerbated

1780
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:51,080
Speaker 2: and expanded the very class consciousness that DEI was invented

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01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:53,719
Speaker 2: to try and to destroy. Very interesting, isn't it greasing?

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Speaker 1: And if you want to hear my reaction to Sagre's monologue,

1783
01:24:56,600 --> 01:25:02,800
Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot Com. Very

1784
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:05,960
Speaker 1: lucky to be joined in studio today by the President

1785
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:08,439
Speaker 1: of the International Brotherhood of Teams, Stirs Sean O'Brien, who

1786
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 1: is here to update us on a variety of important

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01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:12,680
Speaker 1: organizing issues you have been focused on.

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Speaker 3: So welcome. Great to have you back, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, of course. So first let's start with this.

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01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:20,040
Speaker 1: Guys put this first element up on the screen calling

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01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:23,759
Speaker 1: for a nationwide boycott of Mulsen Cores.

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Speaker 4: So just tell us what's going on here. They use an.

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01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:27,599
Speaker 1: Influencer, you guys, didn't like something like that, or maybe

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01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:28,720
Speaker 1: something a little more significant.

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01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:29,280
Speaker 9: No, they are.

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Speaker 12: So we just settled the historic Anheuser Busch contract and

1797
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:37,360
Speaker 12: you know, it was a tough, long, contentious negotiation, but

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01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 12: at the end of the day, you know, we got

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01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:41,439
Speaker 12: with our members deserved and demanded and this company is

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01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:44,840
Speaker 12: very profitable and they actually recognized that at the last day,

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01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:47,920
Speaker 12: how important that our members were. They're American, you know,

1802
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:53,479
Speaker 12: American company, American brewed bear, and they're very very they

1803
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:56,760
Speaker 12: recognize who makes them the success they are, and you know,

1804
01:25:56,840 --> 01:25:59,720
Speaker 12: we want to set industry leading standards with all our

1805
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:04,320
Speaker 12: content tracks. So next up was Molson Cores and they

1806
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:08,640
Speaker 12: have had their way with concessions over the last several contracts.

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01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:10,640
Speaker 12: So we took a strong position that you know, if

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01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:12,600
Speaker 12: it's good enough for Anheuser Bush, it's good enough for

1809
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:17,280
Speaker 12: molten cores. Molten cause is very very profitable. CEO makes

1810
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:20,640
Speaker 12: a ton of money. Typical story, and they wouldn't do

1811
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:24,360
Speaker 12: it right, and they chose to strike themselves. And our

1812
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:27,280
Speaker 12: members have been on strike well over forty days right now,

1813
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:30,560
Speaker 12: holding strong, and we're not going to concede until we

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01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:32,040
Speaker 12: get the best tale for our members.

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01:26:32,240 --> 01:26:33,799
Speaker 3: Very good. Well, we wanted to make sure we highlighted

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01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:34,160
Speaker 3: that I know.

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Speaker 6: It is a national boycott.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well there you heard it here, not first, but

1819
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:41,040
Speaker 2: you definitely heard it here as well. I wanted to

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01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:42,960
Speaker 2: reach out to you so in particular about this self

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01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:45,360
Speaker 2: driving car issue. I know this bubbled up a couple

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01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:47,360
Speaker 2: of months ago. We could put this up here, please

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01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:50,120
Speaker 2: on the screen. This is just about the you know

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01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:54,000
Speaker 2: they say self driving tru semi trucks coming to America's highways.

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Speaker 2: I know that there was a split here with the

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Speaker 2: California Governor Gavin Newsome, and I was wondering if you

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01:26:58,600 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 2: could break some of that down for us, because I

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01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:02,040
Speaker 2: know that this is something that bubbled up and really

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01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:05,479
Speaker 2: bothered you guys in the past. It bought ye are today?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, And you know, the one thing that Governor Newsom

1831
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:11,080
Speaker 12: has proven that he's bought and paid for by big tech.

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01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:15,439
Speaker 12: And he fails to remember when there was a recall

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01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:18,720
Speaker 12: who supported him the most. That was organized labor. And look,

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01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:22,040
Speaker 12: we don't want autonomous vehicles. We're all about protecting jobs.

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01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:25,200
Speaker 12: More importantly, it could be a major public safety issue.

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01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:28,200
Speaker 12: You know, you have an eighty thousand pound vehicle, you know,

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01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:31,760
Speaker 12: going up and down these roads, family of four. You know,

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01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:34,599
Speaker 12: the best computer that I know is you've got instinct

1839
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:36,599
Speaker 12: in your mind. And if you have a human operator,

1840
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:38,919
Speaker 12: they're going to react a lot quicker to a potential

1841
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:40,160
Speaker 12: safety risk and everything else.

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01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 6: But you know, it's.

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01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:43,519
Speaker 12: Unfortunate Governor Newsom is bought and paid for by big

1844
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:46,040
Speaker 12: tech and he chose the wrong side in this one.

1845
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:47,599
Speaker 12: And we are going to do everything in our power

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01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:54,200
Speaker 12: legislatively to fight autonomous commercial vehicles and autonomous vehicles in general.

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01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:56,800
Speaker 6: And we have to do that on a state level,

1848
01:27:56,840 --> 01:27:58,040
Speaker 6: we have to do it on a federal level.

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01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:02,200
Speaker 12: We have the ability through collective bargaining to protect against

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01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:05,440
Speaker 12: autonomous vehicles and women very successful in all the negotiations

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01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:08,240
Speaker 12: that we have had with you know, major corporations like

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01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:11,920
Speaker 12: UPS and others, so we have that ability to limit

1853
01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:15,000
Speaker 12: them doing collective bargaining. But we want to make sure

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01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:16,960
Speaker 12: that we protect jobs as a whole nationwide.

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01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:20,880
Speaker 1: In the safety Where are we in the trajectory of

1856
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:22,800
Speaker 1: the adoption of this technology.

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01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:24,560
Speaker 4: Is this a state by state issue? Is it a

1858
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:27,000
Speaker 4: federal issue? Is it both? And how much of a

1859
01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:28,599
Speaker 4: threat is it to your membership.

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01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:29,439
Speaker 6: It's a major threat.

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01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:33,000
Speaker 12: All technology, whether it's AI or autonomous vehicles, is a

1862
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:37,080
Speaker 12: major threat to jobs. And it's a major threat to

1863
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:40,439
Speaker 12: the infrastructure that you know we're investing as tax payers

1864
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:44,400
Speaker 12: day in and day out for roads and bridges. It's

1865
01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:46,760
Speaker 12: a credible threat. It's state by state, we've got to

1866
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:47,920
Speaker 12: fight it, and then we have to take it on

1867
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:48,880
Speaker 12: at a national level.

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Speaker 3: Something I'm curious about in the way that you guys

1869
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:52,040
Speaker 3: think about it.

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Speaker 2: Obviously I agree in terms of job protection and all

1871
01:28:54,479 --> 01:28:57,360
Speaker 2: that they you know, I believe that the justificationers, they're like, oh, well,

1872
01:28:57,360 --> 01:28:59,599
Speaker 2: you're standing in the way of progress. You of course

1873
01:28:59,680 --> 01:29:02,280
Speaker 2: rise safety. How do you and your drive your members

1874
01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:04,240
Speaker 2: how do you guys think about you know, things in

1875
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:06,640
Speaker 2: the future. Is it accommodation, is it just fighting it

1876
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:08,720
Speaker 2: back against it? Like, how do you think about, you know,

1877
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:10,960
Speaker 2: with the role of technology your own jobs and what

1878
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:12,560
Speaker 2: I believe is one of the most critical things that

1879
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:13,400
Speaker 2: you guys, So put.

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Speaker 6: A totonomous vehicles aside from them. Yeah, technology is coming.

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01:29:16,640 --> 01:29:20,280
Speaker 12: It's hair, you know, and you know, companies you know

1882
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:23,360
Speaker 12: want to utilize it, you know, for efficiencies, and that's

1883
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:25,519
Speaker 12: all well and good, But there's other jobs that can

1884
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:28,360
Speaker 12: be created as a result of technology, and that's what

1885
01:29:28,439 --> 01:29:29,280
Speaker 12: we've been focused on.

1886
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:32,160
Speaker 6: It's look, technology is common, it's hair. We can either

1887
01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:33,040
Speaker 6: do one or two things.

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01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:35,920
Speaker 12: We can either pout about it and do nothing and

1889
01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:38,920
Speaker 12: or be creative and find a way to who's programming

1890
01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:44,120
Speaker 12: this technology, who's maintaining this technology, and create jobs. And

1891
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:49,040
Speaker 12: we've been successful in the warehouse industry, grocery warehouse industry

1892
01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 12: where there has been implementation of technology, but we've created

1893
01:29:53,479 --> 01:29:55,800
Speaker 12: just as many jobs as a result of you know,

1894
01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:59,599
Speaker 12: finding ways to service this technology, finding ways to program

1895
01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:02,840
Speaker 12: this tech chnology, helping design this technology. So there is

1896
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:04,840
Speaker 12: opportunity as a result of technology.

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01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:07,439
Speaker 1: Can you talk a little bit about the sort of

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01:30:07,479 --> 01:30:11,479
Speaker 1: overall organizing landscape because for really the first time in

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01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:14,120
Speaker 1: my lifetime, labor seems to be securing some big wins.

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01:30:14,479 --> 01:30:17,280
Speaker 1: I'm used to the nineties EERO of all these concessionary contracts.

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01:30:17,280 --> 01:30:20,839
Speaker 1: After concessionary contracts, you all had big wins with regards

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01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:25,479
Speaker 1: to ups. We saw, you know, significant contract improvements from UAW.

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01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:27,880
Speaker 1: There seems to be a lot of energy in terms

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01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:31,200
Speaker 1: of organizing news shops. What are you seeing in terms

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01:30:31,240 --> 01:30:32,840
Speaker 1: of what's possible for labor right now?

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01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:35,120
Speaker 12: I think we're at a we have a great opportunity

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01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:37,200
Speaker 12: and we haven't taken advantage of it. We have a

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01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:42,839
Speaker 12: younger workforce that is passionate about organizing, passionate about the unions,

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01:30:43,080 --> 01:30:46,040
Speaker 12: which is you know, very very encouraging for an old

1910
01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:48,479
Speaker 12: guy like me. You know, we always full generation. I

1911
01:30:48,479 --> 01:30:50,680
Speaker 12: always want to leave this organization better than we found it.

1912
01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:53,120
Speaker 12: But organizing is key.

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01:30:53,280 --> 01:30:53,599
Speaker 6: Right now.

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01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:58,720
Speaker 12: We're organizing in the Teams's Union and traditional industries like construction,

1915
01:30:59,439 --> 01:31:02,280
Speaker 12: but we're also looking at obviously Amazon's our biggest target.

1916
01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:05,240
Speaker 12: We are focused on cannabis, where there's four hundred and

1917
01:31:05,240 --> 01:31:09,560
Speaker 12: twenty five thousand W two employees that are cultivating warehousing

1918
01:31:09,720 --> 01:31:12,320
Speaker 12: and they'll be distributions. So we have focused, we have

1919
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:16,200
Speaker 12: been organizing getting contracts there. So yeah, I mean we

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01:31:16,360 --> 01:31:17,800
Speaker 12: have to look at every opportunity. When you look at

1921
01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:20,320
Speaker 12: these young worker's like at Starbucks, you look at Chipotle,

1922
01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:24,320
Speaker 12: it's encouraging because you know, we we have proven our

1923
01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:28,479
Speaker 12: value through the pandemic organized labor. How we provided our

1924
01:31:28,760 --> 01:31:31,040
Speaker 12: members were essential. They provided goods and service to keep

1925
01:31:31,120 --> 01:31:34,680
Speaker 12: this country moving. And now you know, with this opportunity

1926
01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:38,960
Speaker 12: with the younger generation who is thirsty to fight and

1927
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:41,639
Speaker 12: not afraid to stand up, it's great. I think it's

1928
01:31:41,720 --> 01:31:43,400
Speaker 12: I think the sky's the limit moving forward. We just

1929
01:31:43,479 --> 01:31:44,760
Speaker 12: have to keep this momentum going.

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Speaker 1: How much has the more pro worker Biden administration LRB

1931
01:31:50,280 --> 01:31:54,040
Speaker 1: helped to enable some of those victories and expand what's possible, Well, clearly, I.

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Speaker 12: Mean when you make a change from you know, the

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01:31:56,240 --> 01:32:02,200
Speaker 12: previous administration who is anti worker union, you know has

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01:32:02,280 --> 01:32:04,040
Speaker 12: made a lot easier. I mean, elections have gone a

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01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:07,080
Speaker 12: lot smoother. There's a lot more due diligence and violations

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01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:09,599
Speaker 12: and stuff like that. But at the end of the day,

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01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:12,640
Speaker 12: it's about getting our message out. What can we do

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01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:15,559
Speaker 12: for work is what can we do as far as

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01:32:15,640 --> 01:32:18,280
Speaker 12: representing people and I think to your point earlier we've

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Speaker 12: negotiated as teams is the strongest contract thirty billion at

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Speaker 12: ups DHL record contract Anheuser Busch. The proof is in

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Speaker 12: the putting, and this new generation of work is when

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Speaker 12: it comes to organizing, they want to see what they're

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Speaker 12: actually going to get. So what we've been focused on

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Speaker 12: as an organization is getting the best contract and that's

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Speaker 12: a true template to what we're doing moving forward. People

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Speaker 12: want to see this new generation want to see actually

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Speaker 12: information and you know, social media has played a huge

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Speaker 12: role in getting our messaging out, has played a huge

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Speaker 12: role in you know, basically bringing solidarity connecting people. So again,

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Speaker 12: I'm very excited about the direction of the unions in

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Speaker 12: the American workforce.

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Speaker 2: You may reference he to the previousstration. I know you

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Speaker 2: went down to mar Lago, you met with the former

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Speaker 2: president Trump. Did you tell them any of this? How

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Speaker 2: is he thinking about?

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Speaker 6: The reality is this?

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Speaker 12: We we had roundtables with every single candidate, and you know,

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Speaker 12: our message is clear.

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Speaker 6: You know this.

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Speaker 12: You have to earn our endorsement and you have boxes

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Speaker 12: you need to check off, whether it's not supporting national

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Speaker 12: right to work. We need to have a Proact where

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Speaker 12: it makes you know, organizing easier, but more importantly, it

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Speaker 12: mandates you know, arbitration to get a first contract. We

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Speaker 12: need bankruptcy reform. When these companies just run from their

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Speaker 12: obligation and our members don't get their benefits. You know,

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Speaker 12: we've got anti trust. There's a lot of issues out

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Speaker 12: there that are important to US autonomous vehicles technology. And

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Speaker 12: you know, the one thing we said is the government,

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Speaker 12: for some reason, when you deal with a company like Amazon,

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Speaker 12: for example, why do we reward a bad employer. We

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Speaker 12: know they're a bad employer. We know they skirt all

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Speaker 12: kinds of obligations. With this independent contractor model, there's one

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Speaker 12: hundred and fifty percent turnover ratio.

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Speaker 6: They focus on distressed communities.

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Speaker 12: Why would we as a government as a nation keep

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Speaker 12: rewarding bad employers with lucrative contracts. So you know, we've

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Speaker 12: gotten our message out to everyone, President Biden as well,

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Speaker 12: former President Trump.

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Speaker 6: RFK.

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Speaker 12: Everybody knows our issues and those issues and that script

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Speaker 12: when we brought them in was not tailored towards anyone

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Speaker 12: can It was just focused on our issues that our

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Speaker 12: members face every day in the potential risk.

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Speaker 1: All right, The point about the contracts is so important

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Speaker 1: because you know, it's easy for politicians to make an

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Speaker 1: excuse about the pro Oh we tried really hard. Sorry guys,

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Speaker 1: we'll give it another shot again. But you know, we

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Speaker 1: had these opponents in Congress. We just can't get across

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Speaker 1: the line. Well, you're talking about the contracts. That's something

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Speaker 1: the president can do unilaterally. There's no excuse for rewarding

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Speaker 1: a company, a union busting company like Amazon that is

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Speaker 1: bad to their workers, as you point out, and if

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Speaker 1: you look at the injury statistics much higher than industry average.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if you could just give us an update

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Speaker 1: on where you guys are with Amazon organizing, what's the

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Speaker 1: latest progress and what's the big picture.

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Speaker 12: So we have been working on Amazon. I mean, you

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Speaker 12: see what's going on in southern California. We've committed to

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Speaker 12: invest three hundred million dollars organized Amazon. It is going

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Speaker 12: to be a We're working on some affiliations that are

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Speaker 12: going to position us to go after the direct employees.

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Speaker 12: But look, we need to put pressure on Amazon from

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Speaker 12: all fronts and people have to understand that. You know,

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Speaker 12: although it's a convenience and it's you know, Amazon is

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Speaker 12: everywhere they are not good employers. They are not good people,

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Speaker 12: and they do not treat their work as well. We

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Speaker 12: are going to, you know, spend every resource we have

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Speaker 12: to make certain that we organize Amazon workers. And you know,

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Speaker 12: the best part about it is, you know, again we

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Speaker 12: talked about that young generation. They are all in on this,

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Speaker 12: which is very, very important.

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Speaker 4: So you're seeing a lot of receptivity.

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Speaker 12: Absolutely, we are, especially after the UPS contract, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 12: of course they do the same work that UPS workers do.

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Speaker 12: Are part timers, are making over well over twenty one

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Speaker 12: dollars an hour, They get full medical, they get full pensions,

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Speaker 12: but more and more importantly, they get a to a career.

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Speaker 12: There's no path to a career in Amazon.

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Speaker 1: What's the next thing that we should be looking for

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Speaker 1: in terms of that organizing drive, Well.

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Speaker 12: You're going to look for us turning it up, focusing

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Speaker 12: on major cities and you know, getting out there and

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Speaker 12: continuing the spread the word. We have a great volunteer

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Speaker 12: organizing committee of pairs that work at UPS, that work

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Speaker 12: at DHL where we've had another huge victory at CVG

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Speaker 12: where we organize fifteen hundred eleven hundred members. We have

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Speaker 12: another fifteen hundred got a first contract there right at

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Speaker 12: that hub, right next to where Amazon has a million

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Speaker 12: square foot warehouse on that facility, and that's going to

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Speaker 12: be our next target.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 1: The last question I had for you is a number

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Speaker 1: of unions have put down statements with regard to isra'swar

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Speaker 1: and Gaza specifically calling for a cspire. To my monology,

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Speaker 1: you all haven't put on anything of the like. I

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Speaker 1: just wanted to ask if that's something that you all

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Speaker 1: are considering, and more broadly, what your philosophy is with

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Speaker 1: regard to the role of unions when it comes to

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Speaker 1: the sort of international solidarity.

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Speaker 12: Look, we all know that this world is in a

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Speaker 12: very difficult time and it's unfortunate that, you know, innocent

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Speaker 12: people are being victimized, but by this terrible situation not

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Speaker 12: only there, but also Ukraine and Russia. I'm focused on

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Speaker 12: fighting the war that I've been fighting for the last

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Speaker 12: thirty four years my life. That's the war on corporate America.

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Speaker 12: It's the war on politicians that don't support us. And look,

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Speaker 12: it's unfortunate and hopefully there'll be a resolution. You know,

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Speaker 12: people talk about the genocide, and you know there's a

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Speaker 12: higher court, higher power that's going to decide that. I'm

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Speaker 12: just focused on, you know, the labor movement, focused on

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Speaker 12: my members, and focused on, you know, making certain that

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Speaker 12: workers are taken care of.

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Speaker 6: That's my war.

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Speaker 3: Fair enough, Well, we really appreciate your time, sir. You're

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Speaker 3: welcome back here anytime.

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Speaker 6: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate itsutely appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for watching. We'll see you later.