1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: Welcome to Ruthie's Table four, a production of iHeartRadio and 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: Adami's Studios. 3 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 2: Often when a friend prepares you to meet their friend, 4 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 2: it feels anxious. Will he like me? Will I like him? 5 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 2: Do I need to pretend I do if I don't. 6 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 2: When Johnny I've told me his closest friend, Brian Chesky 7 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 2: was joining us in southern Italy, I felt anxious about 8 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 2: all of the above, and then he arrived. We sat 9 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 2: together at lunch, started talking and didn't stop really for 10 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 2: the next five days. Now. I've never stayed in an Airbnb, 11 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 2: but then again, Brian has never been to the River Cafe. 12 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 2: But I've experienced the impact Airbnb has had on so 13 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 2: many lives. My children have explored the world knowing they 14 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 2: need never stay in a hotel, and my friends in 15 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 2: New Mexico are able to rent a house in Paris 16 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 2: only because they host airbn beers in theirs. Brian lives 17 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 2: in San Francisco, I live in London. The next time 18 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 2: he visits London, he's promised to deviate, not stay in 19 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 2: an Airbnb and stay with us instead. I'll cook for him, 20 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 2: walk in Hyde Park and if they're lucky, we'll introduce 21 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 2: him to my friends, no anxiety. They will love him 22 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 2: as much as I do. 23 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 3: My God, thank you for saying that. 24 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 2: Okay, will you read a recipe. 25 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 3: Absolutely, Ruthie. This recipe is whole roasted sea bass with potatoes. 26 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 3: So it starts with one sea bass weighing two kilograms. 27 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 3: Take half a bottle of white wine. Eight large waxy potatoes, 28 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 3: peeled and quartered. By the way, what's a waxy potato? 29 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 2: A waxy potatoes? Waxy? You know how fat the potatoes are? 30 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 2: A flowery oh yeah, that you might have for baked potatoes. 31 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 3: Makes a potato waxy? Though? 32 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 2: Is it like a certain a certain type of potatoes? 33 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:08,399 Speaker 3: Okay, so waxy potatoes everyone. Two garlic clothes peeled. Two 34 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 3: lemons pieces with skin. Now, these are not waxy lemons. 35 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 2: These are not waxy because you know, lemon lemons. I 36 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 2: could have even said a malfy lemons, which particularly good. 37 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 3: And are those different types of lemons that they have. 38 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, maffy lemons have a very much thicker skin, and 39 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 2: so they're really they're really protects the juice. There's less juice, 40 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 2: but it's better because it's got the. 41 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 3: Amazing A handful of fresh oregano. So once you have this, 42 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 3: preheat the oven at two hundred and fifty degrees celsius 43 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 3: and then you boil the potatoes until cooked. Then drain them, 44 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 3: add your lemon and herbs, pour over all of oil 45 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 3: and mix well. And once you do this, you put 46 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 3: it in a roasting tray. You stuff the fish with 47 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 3: the lemons, and then you season. You season it. 48 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, salt and pepper. Salt and pepper everywhere, inside, outside. 49 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 3: You just just the more salt and pepper the better. No, No, 50 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 3: that's probably not true, but kind of everywhere. Don't be shy. 51 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 3: Pepper in the inside, the outside, all the nooks and crannies. 52 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 3: And you place the fish on top of your potatoes, 53 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 3: your waxy potatoes, right, and then then you drizzle some 54 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 3: allive oil and you roast in the oven for twenty minutes. Yeah, twenty, 55 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 3: not eighteen twenty. Now you take your half a bottle 56 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 3: of wine, you add it, you save the other half 57 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 3: to drink. Then you roast for another fifteen minutes. So 58 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 3: I'm cooking for twenty then I put a bunch of 59 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 3: wine on on it, and then I do another fifteen minutes. 60 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 3: Why do I do that? 61 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 2: Because when you first do it. If you put it 62 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 2: in the very beginning, the wine will kind of disappear. 63 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 2: So if you put it in for the last ten minutes, 64 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 2: you'll still get the juice. 65 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 3: What is the wine? The alcohol burns, right, but it 66 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 3: gives it a flavor. 67 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't. It just gives it another fruity, interesting, 68 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 2: dryer flavor that flavors and we do. 69 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 3: Have to be some people wine it. 70 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 2: It has to be nice wine. The idea that you 71 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 2: can use cheap wine for cooking is really not the 72 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 2: right thing to do. It's better to use a little 73 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 2: bit less wine. It doesn't have to be expensive expensive wine. 74 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 2: But you want to be able to, you know, drink 75 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 2: the wine that you would put in cooking. You don't 76 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 2: like cooking wines. 77 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 3: So I think really important everyone to use nice wine. 78 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 3: Unless you're drinking by yourself and you're saturd on a Friday. 79 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 3: You stick to nice wine. And then when it's ready, 80 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 3: filay the fish and you serve with the potatoes and 81 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 3: the juices from the pan. 82 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 2: It's a very Italian way of cooking. 83 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 3: Yalient an Italian way. What does that mean? 84 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 2: Well, I think that you go for the ingredient. If 85 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 2: you have a great sea bess, you don't have to 86 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,119 Speaker 2: do much to it. If you have a mediocre fish 87 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 2: or a mediocre piece of meat or mediocre vegetable, then 88 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 2: you have to think of adding more things to it 89 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 2: and cooking it longer, of doing this and doing that. 90 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 2: But if you have a fantastic sea bess, then really 91 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 2: what you want is a sea bass with lemon, with 92 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:57,679 Speaker 2: some herbs and a bit of wine and you're done, 93 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 2: you know, So it's very simple. Everybody thinks, you know, 94 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 2: Americans myself included, growing up here, thought Italian food was 95 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 2: spaghetti and meatballs and very heavy food. And in fact, 96 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 2: what we know is that as you and I spent 97 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 2: some time together in a Malfi and that's why we 98 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 2: thought this would be a good recipe for you to read, 99 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 2: because it does bring back memories and food is about memory, 100 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 2: isn't it. 101 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 3: I think it's really great. You're right. I mean, I 102 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 3: think you're right. Food is like I mean, when I 103 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 3: think of food, I think of a couple things. It's 104 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 3: one of the only things in life that we consume 105 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 3: that we need to survive. Number one. Number two, I 106 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 3: think food is rooted in culture, and I also think 107 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 3: you're right. Food is something you share. Maybe it's a 108 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 3: primorial thing from fifty thousand years ago and people were 109 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 3: around a campfire eating and talking, and there's something about 110 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 3: food connection, family conversation that all go together. 111 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 2: So just tell me your early days of growing up 112 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 2: in your home. Who cooked? What did you remember about 113 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 2: being in the cheske household and food. 114 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 3: I think for me, I kind of had a foot 115 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 3: in two different worlds of food growing up. On the 116 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 3: one hand, you know, my parents are social workers. We 117 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 3: were on the go. We were middle class, and we 118 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 3: had a lot of like just quick to go things 119 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 3: that probably in hindsight, weren't that healthy, you know, going 120 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 3: to like fast food and like kind of packaged foods. 121 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 3: And then my mom would cook my Mom's Italian and 122 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 3: she would make very simple things, you know, pastas and 123 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 3: you know, really basic meats with like mashed potatoes and vegetables. 124 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 3: You know, we try to make sure we have dinner 125 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 3: every night together as a family. And then I have 126 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 3: a lot of memories of like kind of holiday gatherings. 127 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 3: It was really interesting, Christmas, Thanksgiving, Easter. The centerpiece of 128 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 3: every one of those memories that I had was food. 129 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 3: There's something premortal in us. That makes sense that you know, 130 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 3: there's we want. I think we want to have a 131 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 3: connection to things. I think one of the challenges of 132 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 3: modern life is that we get abstracted from the things, 133 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 3: and one of the things we get abstracted from is 134 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 3: our food. I mean, fast food was like an amazing 135 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 3: innovation at the time, but I think that, like a 136 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 3: lot of innovations, many years later, you look back and say, well, 137 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 3: there's probably a price that we paid. But yeah, those 138 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:16,679 Speaker 3: were those your grandmother. 139 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 2: You say you had an Italian grandmother and a Polish grandmother. 140 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 3: I had Italian grandmother and a Polish grandmother and grandfather. 141 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 2: Did they cook and did they cook the food at 142 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 2: their homes? 143 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 3: My grandmother on my mom's side cooked and I think 144 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 3: she was pretty good. My grandmother was Polish, my dad's mother, 145 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 3: and she actually lived with us and she would help cooking, 146 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 3: Like I remember peeling the potatoes with her and stuff 147 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 3: like that. But I'm still trying to understand. I think 148 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 3: they were waxy. They didn't crumple right, like you know 149 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 3: those flaky baked potatoes. Yeah, yeah, they were kind of 150 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 3: flower They were kind of wet. Yeah, wet is waxy. 151 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 2: What well, what is more? What be more towards the 152 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 2: WAXI because of the very dry. 153 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 3: But if you're going to oil potato, waxy potato sound 154 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 3: better than wet potatoes. I want to open a restaurant. 155 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 3: I want to call it Wet Potato. Ladies, gem welcome 156 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 3: to Wet Potato. We're just down the street from River Cafe. 157 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome the stage. Wet Potato. I 158 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 3: love wet potato. I've been following him on tour all week. 159 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 3: So yeah, So I had my waxy wet potato. My 160 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 3: grandmother made it. And here's the story. When I was 161 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 3: a kid, I was very small physically growing up. I'm 162 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 3: like average person sized person. Now I'm like one hundred 163 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 3: and eighty something pounds. But my parents are worried, like 164 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 3: there's maybe something developed me wrong, and we want to 165 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 3: enter Cachnology said, no, he's just like his growth is 166 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 3: development is behind about two years. But I was really 167 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 3: skinny growing up. I was probably when I entered high school, 168 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 3: maybe one hundred pounds, right, yeah, fourteen maybe. And I 169 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 3: went to a school like I basically a sports academy 170 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 3: to play ice hockey. And then I ended up breaking 171 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 3: my leg. I had a spiral fraction on my leg, 172 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 3: and I ended up going to like physical therapy, and 173 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 3: I decide at that moment, and by the way, you'll 174 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 3: learn as we go that I'm a bit of an 175 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 3: extreme personality. Any entrepreneur is extreme, especially people like us 176 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 3: that run these big companies. I'm forty one, so it's extreme. 177 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 3: And so at this point, I'm going through physical therapy, 178 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 3: and you know, you have to do like kind of 179 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 3: weight training, and I really start picking up weight training. 180 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 3: And at this point the context in you to understand 181 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 3: is my body had controlled my life because I was small, 182 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 3: I was skinny. I was kind of like felt like 183 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 3: my body was limiting my options in life. And I 184 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 3: kind of knew at this point I'm sixteen, that I'm 185 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 3: not giving a professional athlete. But I just I had 186 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 3: this thought. It was really interesting. I said, if I 187 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 3: can control my body, I can control my life. I'm 188 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 3: sure I didn't say it so eloquently or simply. That 189 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 3: was a thought. So I decided when I was sixteen, 190 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 3: I said, I'm going to become one of the most 191 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 3: muscular teenagers in the country by the time I'm nineteen, 192 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 3: and I picked up bodybuilding, and that began a unique 193 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 3: relationship for food, a relationship that was about health but 194 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 3: certainly more utilitarian than enjoyment. And in two and a 195 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 3: half years I went from one hundred and probably twenty 196 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 3: five pounds to maybe one hundred and ninety five pounds. 197 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 3: I ended up competing in what we would now call. 198 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 2: Just pure muscle. 199 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 3: That is, yeah, well one nive was like probably decent muscle, 200 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 3: and then I cut back down and I competed in 201 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 3: what you know, it was basically the the teenage mister America. 202 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 3: It was called NPC Teenage Nationals and Collegiate Nationals and bodybuilding. 203 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 3: And so I had this very weird duality where I 204 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 3: went to like a private school a junior year, kind 205 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 3: of a military bend school. So it was a private 206 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 3: school where I had to like dressing cadet gear and 207 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 3: do drill with rifles and all weight training. Then I 208 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 3: go to public school the next year. It was all 209 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 3: clicks public typical public school. And then the following year 210 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 3: go to Risdy Art School. And by the time, because 211 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 3: at Art school, I am now competing at a national 212 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 3: level in bodybuilding, and I would walk around campus with 213 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 3: half a dozen hard boiled eggs, and I would open 214 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 3: the plastic and the eggs would stink up the entire room. 215 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 3: And I would eat these hard boiled eggs one at 216 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 3: a time. Everyone in the class was like staring at me. 217 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 3: I would probably there were I would have as many 218 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 3: as like eighteen egg whites a day. I would even 219 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 3: drink the egg whites. 220 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 2: I was going to ask you about eating egg whites, because. 221 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 3: Challenge egg whites, and I would just drink them. It 222 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 3: sounds kind of gross, unappetizing, but it really had profound 223 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 3: effect to me because I started to realize what I 224 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 3: ate affected how I felt. And that's when I really 225 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 3: started appreciating food in a very deconstructed way. Of these 226 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 3: building blocks deliciousness, no, no, I mean, there was a 227 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:48,719 Speaker 3: saying growing up, if it tastes good, it's bad for you. 228 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 3: If it tastes bad, it's good for you. And that 229 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 3: was the motto I had growing up. Okay, probably again 230 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 3: this is like super countercultural to your drinking podcast, because 231 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 3: I don't believe that anymore, but that was certainly how 232 00:11:59,679 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 3: I grow. 233 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 2: Up, leaving home and leaving family. There you were in 234 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:17,959 Speaker 2: Rhode Island at the Road Island School, Design, which is 235 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 2: a great school. And do you remember cooking and eating 236 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 2: with your friends. 237 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 3: I had a meal Planet's risty, but I consume so 238 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 3: many calories that the way the school worked is your 239 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 3: parents had to prepay, Like I don't make a number 240 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 3: of like five thousand hours a year for food, right, 241 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 3: And every kid had a pre filled card like a 242 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 3: meal card, but it was use it or lose it 243 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 3: pre meal card, right, So you like, you'd have to 244 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 3: put twenty one hundred dollars on your card each semester, 245 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 3: and if you ate only two thousand hours of food, 246 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 3: you wouldn't get the money back. You would just you'd 247 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 3: use it or lose it. And if you ate more 248 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:50,599 Speaker 3: than that, you'd have to call up your parents to 249 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:52,199 Speaker 3: put more money in the card, which is something I 250 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 3: didn't want to do. So I would find other students 251 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 3: whose meal plans they weren't going to eat, and I 252 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 3: would basically bump food off them because I would basically 253 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 3: tap out my meal plan because I would get like 254 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 3: three four chicken breasts at a time, and you know, 255 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 3: when you get a dozen eggs and three four chicken 256 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 3: breast at a time, you're going to your meal plan. 257 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 3: So I would basically kind of loiter around the cash 258 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 3: register befriending people. Yeah, smelling of hard boiled eggs. Dound 259 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 3: Risdy at our school. So I'm at art school, carrying 260 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 3: containers of hard boiled eggs, loitering around cash registers, trying 261 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:34,199 Speaker 3: to get people. Mostly like, I had a whole bunch 262 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:38,199 Speaker 3: of friends, these girls that were Korean. Risdy was very 263 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 3: popular in Korea, and so a lot of kids came 264 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 3: from Korea, and they were very thin, and none of 265 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,079 Speaker 3: them maxed out their meal plan. And so I kind 266 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,439 Speaker 3: of realized this and I became friends of them. I'm 267 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 3: not saying I used the relationship for hard boiled eggs. 268 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 3: I'm not saying I didn't either, So we'll let the 269 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 3: audience understand. And so I would basically loiter around and 270 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 3: at one point I ended up offering to train the 271 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 3: kids for free if they would give me their card 272 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 3: to get hard boiled eggs. And I thought everyone won. 273 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 3: I got muscles, they lost weight, and we everyone was 274 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 3: really happy. But this is not like a typical food thing, right, 275 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 3: I had. 276 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 2: No But food is different than food is that's. 277 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 3: What food was. So for me at that time, food 278 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 3: was a utilitarian building block for me to create the 279 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 3: body I wanted in the life I wanted to have, 280 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 3: and I thought about it as a fuel, as a utility. 281 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 3: And I think, by the way, here's another theory I 282 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 3: have because it's like, why what did I do this 283 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 3: weird stuff? Growing up, I was a bit of a 284 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 3: rebel and I kind of did not want to fit in. 285 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 3: So when I was in high school, I wanted to 286 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 3: be the artist, and when I got to art school, 287 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 3: I wanted to be the bodybuilder. And then I got 288 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 3: out into the real world. I wanted to be like 289 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 3: an entrepreneur. 290 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 2: Because you once told me that many of our conversations 291 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 2: over food, that you saw Airbnb as an industrial designer 292 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 2: rather as an entrepreneur, as a business person, that you 293 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 2: saw the kind of canvas. You saw AIRBNBA as a 294 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 2: canvas rather than a business plan. 295 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 3: I never thought I was a business person. I remember. 296 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 3: I remember the first week and I started Airbnb, somebody 297 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 3: reminding me. I said, I'm not a business person. I'm 298 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 3: a designer. Business People make money, Designers solve problems. I'm 299 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 3: a designer. My problem isn't to make money. My problem 300 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 3: is to solve a problem for somebody, and that's what 301 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 3: designers do. The funny thing is that an artists are 302 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 3: mostly entrepreneurs without realizing it, right, because most artists are 303 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 3: sold proprietors, right and Europe and artists you have to 304 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 3: sell your art and you don't work for somebody because 305 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 3: most people don't employ artists. So there's something about art 306 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 3: school which is pretty entrepreneurial. And the risky education is 307 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 3: an invert in entrepreneurship education. And oddly enough, like most 308 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 3: entrepreneurship programs are anti entrepreneurship. The structure is unrealistic. Entrepreneurship 309 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 3: has no structure. Entrepreneurship requires resiliency, Entrepreneurship requires self motivation, 310 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 3: and like, there are best practices I've done, Like I 311 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 3: went to White Dominator, but like Rizdy, like one of 312 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 3: our assignments was you get a piece of cardboard and 313 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 3: you say, you have to build a bridge, like a 314 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 3: three foot bridge with this piece of cardboard. And whose 315 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 3: ever's bridge can hold up the most amount of bricks 316 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 3: across two tables when or here's a piece of cardboard. 317 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 3: You have to make a violin with no glue out 318 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 3: of cardboard, and you're like, and you have three hours. 319 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 3: I think that's kind of like entrepreneurship, like you have 320 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 3: these challenges to solve. 321 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 2: Can I just say that you also in your entrepreneurship 322 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 2: and design because going you know, into airbnb and the 323 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 2: culture of airbnb in terms of not just being a 324 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 2: place where you sleep, but what you've done, and as 325 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 2: I said in my introduction, is you've taken the world 326 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 2: of being an entrepreneur, of being a place to stay, 327 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 2: into culture. Because people stay in a neighborhood, they shop 328 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 2: for food. I always say that when you you know, 329 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 2: when you visit a city, the first thing you should 330 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 2: do is go to the market, because you know that 331 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 2: because the market tells you about the people who live there, 332 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 2: the food that's in season, the ingredients they have. And 333 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 2: you know, a market in London will be different from 334 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 2: a market in Venice, which will be different from one 335 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:09,239 Speaker 2: in Singapore and one in Tokyo, and that tells you 336 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 2: about the culture. And I think what you've been talking about, 337 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 2: you know that you are combining entrepreneurship with culture, aren't you? 338 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 2: Is that what you do? So I mean Ivy was saying, 339 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 2: go on, ive you tell them that staying in an 340 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 2: airbnb and you go to the kitchen, don't you go 341 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 2: and see what the kitchen's going to be like. 342 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 4: Yeah, we were talking about. The thing that I like 343 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 4: with AIRB and B is that you can use the 344 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 4: locals guides, the host guides, and so I think it's 345 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 4: like it was reinventing how you're a tourist, right because 346 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 4: rather than going to the tourist spots, you can be like, Okay, 347 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 4: where are people actually eating? And how can I imagine 348 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 4: myself living here and what would my life be like? 349 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 4: And that's why I think young people like IBNB especially. 350 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's exactly right. And I also say 351 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 3: that just to bring to bring a little bit of 352 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 3: story to kind of more present day. Until I started 353 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 3: and in travel very much, and I did not have 354 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 3: a passion for traveling when I started BINGB. And actually, 355 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 3: here's the other thing I did not. I did not 356 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 3: start arbing me as a traveler. I started as a host. 357 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 3: So Airbnb has guests and hosts travelers and people hosting 358 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 3: those travelers, and I wasn't a traveler. I was a host. 359 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 3: AIRBINGB started because my room and I couldn't afford to 360 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,479 Speaker 3: pay rent. We turned our house into a bed and breakfast. 361 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 3: Wouldn't have any beds. We waited through your beds. We 362 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 3: called the airbedan breakfast dot com. So I started as 363 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:31,479 Speaker 3: a host. And I didn't really have a big desire 364 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 3: for traveling growing up, but I will because I didn't 365 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 3: wasn't exposed to a lot of it. Now I love 366 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 3: traveling by the time. I remember once a year we 367 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 3: would travel. My mom was a star shirker and there 368 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 3: was an annual conference that she had to go do, 369 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 3: and so should get a flight in a hotel room. 370 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 3: And my family realized, this is a really good racket weekend. 371 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,360 Speaker 3: Basically freeload off her and get a free vacation every year. 372 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 2: And would that be in the United States. 373 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 3: I've brought always in the United States. So my first 374 00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 3: time I was at airplane was seven. We went to 375 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 3: Saint because she had a conference there. 376 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 2: Do you remember the food when you traveled? 377 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 3: I have more memories of eating while traveling than not traveling. 378 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 3: Funny enough, I have more memories just traveling in general. 379 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 3: I remember somebody once a few years ago came up 380 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 3: to me said, Brian, I use because I wanted my 381 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 3: life to seem longer. And I said, what does that mean? 382 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 3: He said, the thing I noticed about my life, and 383 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 3: I realized about myself is we generally don't remember our routines. 384 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 3: To give you example, I probably rode the school bus. 385 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 3: I don't know twelve years from five to seventeen, and 386 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 3: I can't remember two thousand times the memory of me 387 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 3: being on a school bus. I'd maybe six, seven, eight 388 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 3: faint memories. But I remember every trip I took. I 389 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 3: remember the trip to Saint Louis, the trip to Dallas, 390 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,199 Speaker 3: the trip to Seattle, the trip to Chicago. And so 391 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 3: what I learned when he told me is that when 392 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 3: you travel, you have distinct memories. And when people say 393 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 3: time go by quickly, I think one of the reasons 394 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 3: they're saying that is because they're falling into routine. Some 395 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 3: routines really good, but you got to be careful about 396 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 3: your routine being so much that your memories collapse. And 397 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 3: then one day you wake up and your life has 398 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 3: kind of passed you by. And there's so much of 399 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 3: the world, And so I think a great way to 400 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 3: remember the world is through travel. I hope to live 401 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 3: in a world where the idea, the word travel and 402 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 3: the idea traveled almost dissolves into our idea and it 403 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 3: blurs with living. We talked about like you know, going 404 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 3: to a supermarket and living like a local. There was 405 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 3: a guy in Paris. He's no longer alive. His name 406 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 3: is I think his name was Jim Hymen. Have you 407 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 3: heard of this person? Jim Hyman said, I believe the 408 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 3: Guinness Book of World record for hosting more people at 409 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 3: dinner parties than anyone ever. He hosted one hundred thousand 410 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 3: people in his house in Paris for dinner parties. And 411 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 3: you could ask how to maybe challenge that? Yeah, yeah, 412 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 3: maybe you challenge that. But he apparently was up there 413 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 3: and he had a secret for traveling. He said, the 414 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,439 Speaker 3: secret to good traveling is to participate in the daily 415 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 3: life of locals. And I thought that was profound because 416 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 3: what happens is most a lot of travel. Like Conrad, 417 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 3: like modern travel. Probably one of the major pioneers of 418 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 3: modern travel or twenty century travels, Conrad Hilton. Conrad Hilton 419 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 3: started Hilton Hotels in nineteen nineteen in Texas, and he 420 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 3: was very Christian and made it a point I think 421 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 3: maybe some of Hilton will be listening correct me to 422 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 3: have a Bible next to the bed. It doesn't matter 423 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 3: what you were in I believe so, and maybe I'm wrong, 424 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 3: but I think I think that's and I think he 425 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 3: was famously one to export an American travel experience anywhere. 426 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 3: There was a famous episode of mad Men that I 427 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 3: think is representatively correct, like how do you say blah 428 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 3: blah blah and Tokyo Hilton? How do you say hello 429 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 3: in Germany? Hilton? So it was really about an American 430 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 3: travel experience. It's about mass tourism, it's about bringing your 431 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 3: culture with you to this environment. 432 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 2: We lived in Paris for years and I used to 433 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 2: see a tour bus that went around the plastic version 434 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 2: where we lived, and people never got off the bus. 435 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 2: And I thought, you know, there is a sense that 436 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 2: people really hate traveling because it takes effort, It takes 437 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 2: you know, fear, it's fearful, you have to understand a language, 438 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 2: all the reasons we want to travel. There's a group 439 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 2: of people that would rather stay in Hilton and neat 440 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 2: American food and be in a bus, because he explained 441 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 2: to because they can say they've been to Paris or 442 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 2: Rome or Florence or Venice and yet never have to 443 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 2: experience any discomfort or. 444 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 3: I think that's a very typical way to be introduced 445 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 3: to travel that you want to go to a farm environment, 446 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 3: but you want to be comfortable, so you're more like 447 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 3: a stane hotel, go on a dicer bus, get a 448 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 3: selfie in front of them. 449 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 2: Change that with Airbnb. You're saying to be uncomfortable. I 450 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 2: think cook for yourself, be in a neighborhood. I'm packing your. 451 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 3: Bank in the daily life of locals. You know. Joseph Campbell, 452 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 3: the late mythologists. He wrote a book, I think in 453 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 3: like the nineteen forties called Hero of a Thousand Faces, 454 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 3: and his book based sickly surmised that every character of 455 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 3: every movie, whether it's Star Wars or Wizard of Oz 456 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 3: or Grapes of Wrath or whomever, they're really the same character. 457 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 3: A hero is in an ordinary world and there's something 458 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 3: like dissatisfied about their life incomplete, and they get this 459 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 3: called adventure to cross this threshold, to go this new 460 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 3: magical world where they're at their comfort zone. They have 461 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 3: the slay dragons, they have this ultimate challenge, and the 462 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 3: person they are dies, maybe metaphorically or in some movies 463 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 3: actually physically, like snow white, and then they're born. They're 464 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 3: reborn a better version themselves, and they have atonement where 465 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 3: they go back to the world they came from. And 466 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 3: I always thought that travel great travels like the hero's journey. 467 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 3: You just want to be a little out of your 468 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 3: comfort zone to learn something. And I think that's what 469 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 3: we try to do, to get people a little out 470 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 3: of their cultural comfort zone, to go to the market, 471 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 3: to participate daily life of locals, to understand people. Travel 472 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 3: can bring the world together, but you're not going to 473 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 3: understand another culture in a double decker bus, staying in 474 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 3: a hotel with other tourists. You know. I'll TV a 475 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 3: funny story. People sometimes come to San Francisco and describe 476 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,919 Speaker 3: what San Franciscans are like, and I'll ask them, what 477 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 3: are San Francisco's like, And the first thing they say is, well, 478 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 3: they dress like this, and they're this, and they're that, 479 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 3: and they all like bread bowl soup. And what I'm 480 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 3: realizing is they're not describing San Franciscans. They think they're 481 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 3: describing San Franciscans. But they went to Fisherm's a wharf, 482 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 3: which is like going to Times Square. It's like going 483 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 3: to Times Score in New York and describing New Yorkers, 484 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 3: except that no one in Times Squares in New York 485 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 3: except for those working in Times Square, because regular New 486 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 3: Yorkers don't go to Times Square. And so I think, 487 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 3: if you want to understand travel, look at how people 488 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,959 Speaker 3: travel then in your own city and ask would you 489 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 3: do that? And most people in New York don't go 490 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 3: to Times Square. But Time Square was until the pandemic, 491 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 3: the most instagrammed landmark in the world, clearly very popular. 492 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 3: But most of us who spent a lot of time 493 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 3: in New York don't want to go to Times Square. 494 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 3: When I was eight years old, I did want to 495 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,199 Speaker 3: go to Times Square. I thought it was cool. And 496 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 3: so I think there's landmark travel, and then there's people 497 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 3: driven travel, and people driven travel is culture. But how 498 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 3: do you meet other people if you're in a hotel 499 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 3: on your double ducker bus. That's the premise of Airbnb. 500 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 2: We have a lot more to talk about. One of 501 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 2: the things I would like to talk about is Obama, 502 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 2: President Obama and Michelle first Lady Obama, who really brought. 503 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 2: She particularly brought a sense of food and the importance 504 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 2: of feeding our children and the investment that society makes, 505 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 2: you know, in children and so your engagement with the 506 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 2: Obamas has been massive, and at a very very basic level, 507 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 2: I would like to ask you what food was like 508 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 2: in the White House. Did you eat in the White House? 509 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 2: Because I've eaten the White House once at a state dinner, 510 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 2: and I had a meal with President Obama the residents 511 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 2: of the American Ambassador in London, and he seemed to 512 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 2: be someone who did like his food and was interested 513 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 2: in food. 514 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. I met President Obama late in his presidency, and 515 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,959 Speaker 3: so the reason I met at him was because there 516 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 3: was a thing called Global Entrepreneurship Summit where they had 517 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 3: this like honorary ambassador program where your own ambassador for entrepreneurship. 518 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,479 Speaker 3: But the reason I really got to know him was 519 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 3: because he worked with a Treasury department to lift embargo 520 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 3: with Cuba. And then Airbnb opened in Cuba, and President 521 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 3: Obama went to Cuba with a bunch of business leaders, 522 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 3: myself and other people. We were actually the only company 523 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 3: had any business in Cuba. So I got to know 524 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 3: Obama a little bit. And before he left office, probably 525 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 3: July of twenty and sixteen, I get a thirty minute 526 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 3: lunch at the White House in the Presidential Dining Room, 527 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 3: and I ate basically, I think the same thing he did. 528 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 3: So I think it would have been fish. I think 529 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 3: I had like a white fish a I think I 530 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 3: had a old roasted sea bass with probably a waxy 531 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 3: potato ji garlic closes and a Malthia lemons. I feel like, 532 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 3: maybe that's what I would have had. And no, it was. 533 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 3: It was probably like a fish like this, but it 534 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 3: was like steam vegetables or a salad. I recall that, 535 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 3: and I remember I'm leaving the White House. So here's 536 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 3: a cool funny story because this is the other time 537 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 3: I ate at the White House. And okay, so we're 538 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 3: in the Oval Office now, because you have to walk 539 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 3: through the O office when you leave the President of 540 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 3: the dining room, which is kind of just like nondescript room. 541 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 3: So when you get your photo and Pete the Suez 542 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 3: that's a photographer, he takes his photo of me and 543 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 3: before I leave, goes Brian. I go yeah, He goes, 544 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 3: do you like dancing? And it's my bad impression and 545 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 3: I go, I'm like, what do you say to a 546 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:37,719 Speaker 3: president Nited States in an Oval office? And they say 547 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 3: do you like dancing? So I said, uh yeah, He 548 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 3: goes well, I have a birthday party at the White House. 549 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 3: It was fiftieth birthday party. It was like in a month, right, 550 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,719 Speaker 3: so this is like July or something in his birthdays 551 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 3: in like August, and so he invites me like to 552 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 3: his birthday party at the White House, which is crazy, 553 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 3: and I'm like, and i'd been the West Wing, but 554 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 3: I hadn't been the main residence, which is what most 555 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 3: people think of the White House as the residence. It 556 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 3: was kind of like a very fancy buffet, you know, 557 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 3: but not really a buffet, but like I help yourself 558 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 3: family style, but you would win to like these kind 559 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 3: of lines where you'd get food. Was very like nice, fancy. 560 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,919 Speaker 3: I don't remember what I ate then, And those were 561 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 3: my two experienced the White House. But there was oh 562 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,679 Speaker 3: I danced. Yeah. So it was good and I got 563 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 3: to know him, and obviously we've built a relationship ever since. 564 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 3: He became a bit of a mentor to me once 565 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 3: he left office. We kind of had a standing phone 566 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 3: call for a while, you know, where he mentor me, 567 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 3: and then you know, I think the story kind of 568 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 3: turned into him going from him mentoring me to also 569 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 3: me wanted to help him with his efforts in particular 570 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 3: philanthrop by and so I created with him one hundred 571 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 3: million dollars scholarship for rising juniors in college to help 572 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 3: them pay for their college education for those who wanted 573 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 3: to go to public service. So the basic idea is 574 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 3: like Obama said that when he was going into publics, 575 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 3: he graduated Harvard Law and he had a lot of 576 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 3: offers to become like a corporate attorney, which is totally cool. 577 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 3: We have a lot of corporate traiers the ever NB, 578 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 3: but we also need people to go in to public service. 579 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 3: The problem is college is getting so expensive that some 580 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 3: people feel like they can't afford to go in commote 581 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 3: service because if all is college debt. And he said 582 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 3: like it was a hard decision for him to be 583 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 3: a community organizer, and it took him a long time 584 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 3: to pay off his bills. He didn't actually fully pay 585 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 3: off his bills to I think the book o'dacy hope 586 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 3: came out, so he was like, maybe my age before 587 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 3: he was able to pay off his college loans. And 588 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 3: I thought we should be able to pay off people's 589 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 3: college debts so they can afford to go into public service. 590 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 3: But I had one other thought with him, I thought 591 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 3: I would shamelessly want my public service leaders, whatever the 592 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,239 Speaker 3: fields are, to have travel the world and taken all 593 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 3: the best ideas from every country and bring him back 594 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 3: to the United States. And we bring food from all 595 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 3: the other countries. Don't we like to shamelessly appropriate food 596 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 3: from other cultures bring it here? Shouldn't we appropriate the 597 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 3: best ideas of governing and connection and other things. And 598 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 3: so we had a travel component where it would be 599 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 3: a ten year travel scholarship. So we'll pay off your 600 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 3: college loans and we'll pay for ten years of travel, 601 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 3: including between your junior and senior year of travel two 602 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 3: thousand dollars a year for ten years, twenty thousand dollars, 603 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 3: and then I think ten thousand dollars for one summer, 604 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 3: like a little like summer voyage between junior and senior 605 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 3: year where you do kind of like a work trip. 606 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 3: And that was what we did. So we still work together, 607 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 3: and I'm sure food is going to be a big 608 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 3: part of it for a lot of these students, because 609 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 3: I think food is a way to understand culture, and 610 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 3: culture is a way to understand our shared history and 611 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 3: our shared connection. 612 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 2: You said about food is you know, political it's cultural, 613 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 2: it's love, and it's comfort. So for my last question, 614 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,719 Speaker 2: what if food is all that? What would be your 615 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 2: comfort food? 616 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 3: With my comfort food? Not her boiled eggs anymore? 617 00:30:58,720 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 2: Okay, I don't think it was. 618 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 3: Then, was No, The whole point back then was never 619 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 3: be comfortable. Probably chocolate chip cookies. 620 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, chocolate. How do you like them? Do you like 621 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 2: them thick and dowe or do you like them thin 622 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 2: and crispy? 623 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 3: Can I tell you my recipe before we go? Because 624 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,959 Speaker 3: the only there's flotad recipe, there's only one. 625 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 2: Does it have a waxy lemon in it? 626 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 3: It does not have a waxy lemon? Is the only 627 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 3: recipe I know? Or I think I could tell you 628 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 3: at the top of my head. And I know that's 629 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,719 Speaker 3: how little I know about cooking. I can you put 630 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 3: a gun in my head. I can tell you one 631 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 3: recipe and one yeah, and it's a proprietary recipe that 632 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 3: I got off of Google. Google, So not that proprietary. 633 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 3: I like to say. It's been the family for a 634 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 3: long time, since three months. 635 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,239 Speaker 2: Not the one on the backs of the chocolate chip. 636 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 2: You know, the chips? 637 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 3: Okay, I don't like those are wrong because they don't 638 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 3: use enough brown sugar, and they don't use enough in 639 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 3: all extract. So what I would do is one step one, okay, 640 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 3: step one flour. I would do two and three quarters 641 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 3: or two and two thirds cups flour, So a little 642 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 3: two thirds and quarters. Let's do two and three quarters 643 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 3: cups flour. Then I think it's eight. 644 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 2: Cups of flour. 645 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, go on. 646 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 2: These are the dry ingredients. 647 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 3: Dry ingredients would be one teaspoon baking soda in a 648 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 3: teaspoon of salt. Okay. Then you got your sugar, which 649 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 3: you mix your wet. So here's the key. This is 650 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 3: where it gets interesting. So one and a quarter cup 651 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 3: of light brown sugar. 652 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 2: What about the dark brown? 653 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 3: No dark brown, just light brown? And then white sugar. 654 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 3: I use three quarters of a cup. 655 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 2: Oh interesting, okay. 656 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 3: Then two large eggs, and then you take a stick 657 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 3: of butter, two sticks. 658 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 2: Blend the butter and the sugar. 659 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 3: Blend the butter and sugar. You what's it called when 660 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 3: you cream? You cream the Then you add two eggs, 661 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 3: two eggs, and then finally the single most important I 662 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 3: guess vanilla. Yes, but what's the secret? 663 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 2: More vanilla? 664 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 3: Yes? So most people, yes, very good. So most people 665 00:32:55,120 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 3: would say one teaspoon. I say, too teaspoons to teaspoons. Okay, 666 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 3: so here are the core innovations, the core innovations you like? 667 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 3: How like I'm a tech found and I use innovation 668 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 3: by googling it. 669 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 2: In what there's a difference between innovation and innovation. 670 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 3: That's that called blaxea lemons. 671 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the difference between a Blaxi potato out. 672 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 3: Of leod if you if we have thirty minutes forty 673 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 3: five million minutes, because it's that's how about a lot 674 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 3: the difference core innovation guess part one? And then I 675 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 3: use not many chips, so you know, the whole bag, 676 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 3: the whole bag. 677 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 2: Wet about the chips. 678 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 3: I only use one third of a bag of chips. 679 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 2: Oh interesting? 680 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 3: And then I heat the ove into three seventy five 681 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 3: fahrenheit for about twenty minutes, and then I go to 682 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 3: what's golden brown? Core innovations more vanilla, extract more brown sugar, 683 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 3: slightly more flour. That means that everything else it's like 684 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 3: fewer chips. Okay, Vanilla's gentle. It's a very gentle idea. 685 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 3: You take anything vanilla, you add a flavor, and the 686 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 3: flavor search a power that vanilla. So people are overpowering 687 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 3: Vanilla across this country, and I have a mission to create. 688 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 2: Is that why the Democrats did so well? 689 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 3: Exactly. Yes, people take advantage of it. Oil more vanilla. 690 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,720 Speaker 3: If you elect me, I will give you more vanilla. 691 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 2: Got my vote? Yes, Okay, Well let's do it. I'll 692 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 2: be your host and we'll make chocolate chip cookies. 693 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 3: Let's do it. 694 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 2: Let's do it, Brian, Thanks, thank you. 695 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,840 Speaker 3: Ah nice, I've never heard. I've done a lot of 696 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,319 Speaker 3: interviews in my life and never won on food. Yeah, 697 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 3: well there, I never talked about hard boiled eggs and 698 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 3: an interview like almost everything we talked about Ted never 699 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 3: said before because no one ever asked me. Everyone asked 700 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 3: me all the same questions. 701 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 1: The River Cafe Look Book is now available in bookshops 702 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 1: and online. 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