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Speaker 2: Today's guest and on Purpose is the one and only

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Speaker 2: And Orlando will next be seen starring in Peacock's limited

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Speaker 2: adventure DOCU series To the Edge, which Orlando also produced,

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Speaker 2: Welcome to On Purpose, Orlando Bloom. Orlando, thank you for

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. Jay.

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Speaker 2: It's really an honor to have you here, because thanks

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Speaker 2: I feel like we don't know each other we've never

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Speaker 2: What is it about? You know, you were saying you're

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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, I love what you do. Thank

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Speaker 2: was the second.

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Speaker 1: Word, raising? Censure?

433
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Speaker 2: So the opposite, Yes, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, So how

434
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Speaker 2: does one not get swayed?

435
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Speaker 1: Yeah? I think I think as a as a as

436
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Speaker 1: a young man, and I don't, like I feel I'm

437
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Speaker 1: young at heart. So I kind of like years ago,

438
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Speaker 1: you know, when I was, like when it was when

439
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 1: I was what I feel like, really in the eye

440
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 1: of the storm, and just like my whole life was

441
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,040
Speaker 1: just like tabloid fodder in some ways, it felt like

442
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:10,120
Speaker 1: constantly and anything I did, I think that was really

443
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 1: challenging for me. It was like and I don't think

444
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:14,880
Speaker 1: I handled I don't think I didn't have any kind

445
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 1: of major meltdowns, but like I was really upset about

446
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 1: how my character felt like it was being dragged. Actually

447
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,680
Speaker 1: it's why I started on Instagram account, which I did

448
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,879
Speaker 1: some I started very late in the game, but I

449
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,879
Speaker 1: only did it because actually my partner Katie had said

450
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:32,679
Speaker 1: it's a really good way to gather the reins and

451
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 1: create a narrative, and like, now I know it's like,

452
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,120
Speaker 1: I don't know how many people even really use there's

453
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Speaker 1: so many different new app things, media platforms, you know.

454
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Speaker 1: But in a way it kind of was able. It

455
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Speaker 1: sort of helped me to kind of create my own

456
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 1: narrative at least and to put messaging out that I

457
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 1: felt was, you know, reflected my whole my ideas and views,

458
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 1: you know, which obviously are mostly very centric centered around

459
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,159
Speaker 1: my practice and Disaccada really his writing.

460
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 2: I love seeing you person about.

461
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 1: Someone that says someone he has, he has well beautiful things,

462
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 1: and so yeah, you know, so I think I just

463
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Speaker 1: I just kind of my practice definitely helped me with that.

464
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,880
Speaker 1: It was definitely anchoring. I think I think I kind

465
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 1: of I got very good at hiding, which I would

466
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 1: never encourage and if you know, but in a way,

467
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Speaker 1: I kind of like I got very good at putting

468
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 1: a hat on and going moving through the world without

469
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Speaker 1: And you know, if I could go back, I would

470
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Speaker 1: probably say to that kid, like, you know what, shine

471
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Speaker 1: it bro just be you're here to make mistakes, and

472
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Speaker 1: if they're public or private, you know, they're the mistakes

473
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 1: that you will. That's that deep purple in your canvas. Yeah,

474
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 1: just it's it's not really how you go down, it's

475
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Speaker 1: how you get up right. So and trust your heart,

476
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Speaker 1: you know, and trust that you're in the in the flow.

477
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Speaker 1: And that's that's something that I don't think I had

478
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Speaker 1: a lot of, you know, as a kid. So as

479
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 1: you as you, as you move on, you just go well,

480
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 1: the noise just eventually subsides. And now I'm like, have

481
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Speaker 1: a perspective on it, just for years and I'm like,

482
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 1: it's it's, it's, it's it's it's helped to know, you know,

483
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Speaker 1: I like, I think it's but that was it was

484
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Speaker 1: definitely through chanting that I think, and my practice and

485
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Speaker 1: friends and the community that I had around me at

486
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,919
Speaker 1: the time, and and also being on the road and

487
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 1: working so much. I think I just didn't most of

488
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: it was just like hardly didn't really look at it,

489
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Speaker 1: didn't really pay attention.

490
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Speaker 2: But yeah, hearing you say that, I mean, what's beautiful

491
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,160
Speaker 2: is that it often feels like so many of these

492
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 2: lessons can only be lived and understood when they're lived.

493
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Speaker 2: But it's helpful to know the lesson you're learning and

494
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Speaker 2: how it fits in. Yeah, it's almost like you had

495
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Speaker 2: to go through that you couldn't have asked yourself to

496
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Speaker 2: deal with it better or do better at the time. No, no,

497
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 2: but the fact that you had this lesson philosophy practice to.

498
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Speaker 1: Guide back or to kind of understand look at give

499
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Speaker 1: me perspective. Yeah, for sure, that was a massive blessing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when you're talking about fears and your first fear

501
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 2: all the way through to this. Obviously when you watch

502
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 2: the show, there's this feeling of the external fear, right,

503
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 2: Like the idea of jumping out of a plane, the

504
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 2: idea of rock climbing. All of these things are naturally

505
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 2: inherently scary, right, right, what's the internal fear when you're

506
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 2: doing it? Like, what is the dialogue that's going on?

507
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 2: Because obviously you're quite a reflective, thoughtful individual. What's really

508
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Speaker 2: the fear because it obviously isn't jumping out the plane

509
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Speaker 2: for you.

510
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it comes back to trust and faith,

511
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 1: right and self worth. Right, there are protocols that you follow,

512
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:57,640
Speaker 1: like all of these like adrenaline junkie athletes that you see,

513
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 1: you know, maybe posting a fifteen second clip on a

514
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: social media page, have spent their lives and potentially weeks, days, years, hours, two,

515
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 1: perfect whatever. It's you're seeing for a fifteen second moment,

516
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 1: and you know, like Louke Aikins jumped from like the

517
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 1: stratosphere without a parachute, landing in a net. Camille Jebba,

518
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 1: who is who is my free diving coach along with

519
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 1: Will Troubich, who was who runs this vertical Blue competition

520
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: in the Bahamas where I was diving Supreme Athletes who

521
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: you know Camilla has swam to she's the Mexican world

522
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Speaker 1: record holder of like eighteen eighty plus meters. Now that's

523
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 1: a you know, I think I got to thirty seven meters,

524
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Speaker 1: which is about the four days, which was like one hundred,

525
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 1: and I was really struggling because of my mask I had.

526
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: I think I wish I'd not worn a mask. I

527
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 1: wish i'd just like had goggled like the other I

528
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: wish I'd thought that through because but I had some

529
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 1: issues with equalizing. But you know and or Mo Beck

530
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: who's this adaptive climber who just you know was born

531
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Speaker 1: with one hand and it started climbing as a child

532
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 1: and just you know, is the woman in her field

533
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: doing what she does and it's like a glass hot

534
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's just overflowing. These people are just overflowing.

535
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: But what it is is that they are experts and

536
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: they it is a life choice almost right, So in

537
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 1: a way like people have said to me, have you

538
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: gone back to doing the freedom the wingsuiting or that,

539
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I really can't wait to do that.

540
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: But it's like it's not something you just pit dip

541
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: in and out of. You know, it's a real lifestyle choice,

542
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: and it's a commitment, and it's it's something that gives

543
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 1: you excellence. And I think the so so trusting in

544
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: that moment that everything you trusting myself. For me, it

545
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: was about becoming capable, right in a way, like like

546
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: learning to follow the protocols, learning to be present enough

547
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: to take on board everything that's being told to me

548
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: so that I can apply it to the moment that

549
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: I'm in. So when I'm in the plane, I'm about

550
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: to jump, and I'm really and I I uh, you know,

551
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 1: I think the to be fair, I think the climbing.

552
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 1: I got such a body mouth on the climber because

553
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 1: I was so frustrated and terrified by the by the gear,

554
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,719
Speaker 1: by the nots, by like whether I died it right

555
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: or whether the road was going to hold me or

556
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: whether I was going to and mostly because actually I

557
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: had Mo's life in my hands right like so, but

558
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: it was I think becoming capable and having that like

559
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: education and then being accountable for myself. So in the

560
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: moment where the fear is really kicking and it's just

561
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: trusting by kind of coming back to what everything I've

562
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: learned from my practice was trusting your life, having faith

563
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: in your life. I think faith is is so important,

564
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: and I think misguided faith is sometimes so challenging for

565
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: us as a as a as a species because it's

566
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: led to so much heartbreak and conflict. But actually I

567
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: really admire people of faith because most people of faith,

568
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: if it's not misguided, are really doing everything they can.

569
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: And because it's my what is practice, we'll trying to

570
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: be respectful of all faith. You know. I kind of

571
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: feel like I know my path is the right one.

572
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: I wish everyone would join me on this, but I

573
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: totally respect that everybody has their path, and I think

574
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: that's what it comes down, right respect. So it's like

575
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: a bit of the whole show was a bit of

576
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: a human experiment for me, and I think the experiment

577
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: and the lessons that I continually learned was a bit

578
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: of like self respect, becoming capable trusting my life, and

579
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: trusting that this was part of an important and necessary

580
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: part of my life. And I, after all, I chosen

581
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: to do it, you know, And I could find myself

582
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: at times in these like super challenging physically challenging moments mentally,

583
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: physically and emotionally they were all totally different. So, you know,

584
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: like wingsuiting just was it's super unnatural to jump half

585
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,959
Speaker 1: a plane. And then I think what Luke said to

586
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: me was that I'm probably the first person to have

587
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: jumped at twenty six jumps, so twenty five jumps. I

588
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: got my a license for skydiving, and my twenty sixth

589
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: jump was in a wingsuit. But he had me on

590
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: this trajection. But he knew from what he was watching,

591
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: and you know, we were working every day for you know,

592
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: a few not even that long, but he knew that

593
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: I was capable to do so the free diving, I

594
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: just didn't know if I was going to come back up.

595
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, what what if I because I

596
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: had and I think I was emotionally really challenged by

597
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: this idea, like respecting my life, you know, treasuring my

598
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: life because I think in some ways in my youth,

599
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: treasuring my life, valuing my life, understanding the value of life,

600
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: and being grateful for it in a very profound way.

601
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,959
Speaker 1: Like I think I have, you know, a stadium of

602
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: angels or Buddhas or however whoever you want to call them.

603
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: But and we're climbing. It was like I'd find myself

604
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: in these moments, as I said, I'd be like, I'd

605
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: be like, I'm really having a hard time here, and

606
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: I would with you know, I'd have I had this

607
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: one of my assistants who became a producing partner, was

608
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: working with for so long, who knew me so well.

609
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: But I would just be like freaking out. She could

610
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: see I was freaking out, but I was freaking out,

611
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: but about something like while I wearing this T shirt?

612
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: What does this T shirt mean? You know what I mean?

613
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: It was so so interesting how the mind, it's like

614
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: you become you know what I mean instead of just

615
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: getting in your you know, I became very I was

616
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: like trying to control control the control the environment, control

617
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: the things because I felt so out of control, like

618
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: this T shirt is not the right teeth or whatever

619
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: it might be. You know, it was like for me,

620
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: it didn't It could have been anything, but it was

621
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: like because I needed to control whatever I had possible,

622
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: you know, on me, because I felt so kind of

623
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: out of control in some ways so as a human

624
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: and I felt like it was a human experiment. I

625
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: was like, I was like, how much does it take

626
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: for me to crack? You know, how much pressure before

627
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: a and what does that look like? In some ways,

628
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: So but in a way, like you know, that was

629
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: the you know, I kept coming back to Amona cure.

630
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: You know, you you what is meant for you is

631
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: not going to go away, right, It's not. And this

632
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: is but it's also was my first time in an

633
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: unscripted world, right yea. You know, I think because of

634
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: the nature of my upbringing, dyslexia and education, that was

635
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: such a challenge. Although I got it all, did it all?

636
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: This is trusting yeah my heart, right, you're trusting your experience, right,

637
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: I mean that's what you've done so well. You've like

638
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: you're able to communicate from the heart listen, be present

639
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: and you know what I mean, and come in with

640
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: the with the points that like like oh wow, you're

641
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: you're actually absorbing and taking that on and I think

642
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: and sharing and putting a message out. But it's sometimes

643
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: hard for people, you know, especially I think.

644
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 2: You know when you're younger, Yeah, I mean, I think

645
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 2: when I'm listening to you right.

646
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: Nowgens are great, my mind is firing good.

647
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,239
Speaker 2: I'm glad. We'll get you another. You finished it, though,

648
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 2: and you want another when I'm listening to you right now.

649
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 2: And I really appreciate you going there, because, of course

650
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 2: the extent that is hard, but I love how you

651
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 2: boiled it down to that idea of trying to control

652
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 2: the little you think you can control in the midst

653
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 2: of the fact that you can't control of this. And

654
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 2: it's interesting how that is such a great metaphor for

655
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 2: life somehow, because we're all trying to control everything we

656
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 2: can control and what we can't control, not recognizing that

657
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 2: so much is outside of our control, and that makes

658
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 2: us in life feel helpless, and it can often make

659
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,240
Speaker 2: us retreat and hide and disappear. But when you're climbing

660
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 2: a mountain, you can't disappear, like, you can't retreat from that,

661
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 2: right It's almost like you have to sit in that

662
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 2: discomfort and you have to sit with that emotion, which

663
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 2: is actually what real life is demanding of us. But

664
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 2: we find a way to kind of hide it, push

665
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 2: it away, deal with it, and so it's it's the

666
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 2: most physical real way I remember when and this is

667
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 2: why I think you're hopefully the show will you know,

668
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 2: encourage people to do. We all have something that's uncomfortable

669
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 2: for us, whether it's internal or external, and I think

670
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 2: everyone needs a friend who encourages them to do some

671
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 2: extreme sports now and again, my wife needs less encouragement

672
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 2: than I do. As life has gone on, I've become

673
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 2: a bit more reserved. And I had a friend a

674
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 2: couple of years ago who made me do skydiving, who

675
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 2: made me do crazy things with him, and I was

676
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 2: really grateful for that because it made me realize how

677
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 2: many blocks I had up here that I was unaware of.

678
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 2: I thought I'd conquered so many blocks, but there are

679
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 2: still so many, so much lack of trust and so

680
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 2: much lack of that feeling of oh, actually, I can

681
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: sit in discomfort. I was almost trying to get away

682
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 2: from discomfort because at one point in my life I

683
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 2: had put myself through so much of it and now

684
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 2: just wanted to be in a comfortable space.

685
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: Which is fair fair.

686
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 2: But one thing you say in the docuseries kind of

687
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 2: in the beginning was this idea of you say, being

688
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 2: on the edge makes me feel most alive. But then

689
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 2: at the same time, I see you as someone who

690
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,760
Speaker 2: really values the little things day to day, and obviously

691
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 2: with your Buddhist practice is mindful and present. How do

692
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 2: you reconcile the two, because you know, if you're feeling

693
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 2: all this adrenaline and this extreme sport and that makes

694
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 2: you feel a lo but then how do you also

695
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 2: feel alive in the tiny moments and maybe being with

696
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 2: your kids or yeah, yeah, yeah, being with Blue as

697
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 2: we just your beautiful dog that just with.

698
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 1: That thank you, Yeah, I think, you know, it's such

699
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 1: good questions. I think to let two things, and I

700
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: want to come back to that question. But I think

701
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: in a way like what are the parts of the show?

702
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: Is like, what did it take for me to be

703
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: remarkably present? Look, I'm one of the most privileged people.

704
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: I consider myself the experiences that I've had in the

705
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 1: world in life. I feel just so grateful all the time.

706
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 1: I wake up feeling grateful, and you know, I feel

707
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: you know, that partly that's my practice to give them

708
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,439
Speaker 1: me the opportunity. But for some people it's like, look,

709
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: just getting up from the couch and go into the kitchen,

710
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: what does it take for them to do that? I

711
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: know through COVID, which was the idea, was that what

712
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: does it take for that person just to go to

713
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: the park, just step outside, take your shoes off, socks off,

714
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: stand in the grass and look at the trees and

715
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: just that maybe all it takes, but it may be

716
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: so challenging for one person. For that person, So like, yes,

717
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,399
Speaker 1: for me, you know, when I was kind of raw

718
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: docking it with my all my kind of add and

719
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: just things happening, I was just like in it. I

720
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: say that because when I say raw doy, I mean

721
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: I was just like I've subsequently found like a really

722
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 1: amazing like peptide, which is fantastic. That's helped me really

723
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 1: kind of connect my thoughts at times because sometimes it's

724
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: really disjointed. But in a way I love that about

725
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: my thinking because it kind of is sporadic. But for

726
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,919
Speaker 1: some people, as I said, the hope for the show

727
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: for me was like it took me okay for me,

728
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: who you know, arguably throughout my life has really you know,

729
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: loved the thrill. Like if I'm going really fast, either

730
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: on a motorcycle or in a car or whatever, it

731
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: maybe I feel like I'm more focused, Like I'm more

732
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 1: likely to have an accident at thirty miles an hour

733
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: than sixty miles an hour, you know, because I'm just

734
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: there's a I switched into some other mode. And it's

735
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 1: kind of true for everything I've done in my life,

736
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 1: Like if it's really up against me, then I'm gonna

737
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna step up in a whole other way. Like

738
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: for example, all the Rings, where I was like my

739
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: first movie really and I'm with Ian McKellen and Ian

740
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: Holm and Christopher Lee and Viego Mortenson and even Elijah

741
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: who I'd seen the movies, and you know, like these

742
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: amazing actors, all of whom had so much experience, and

743
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 1: it was an amazing gift, but it was also like, okay,

744
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: step up, you know, and the blessing of that. So

745
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: I think you kind of take that high of these

746
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: insane things that you're doing, but it's all really like

747
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: relevant to the Like sometimes I can wake up in

748
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 1: the morning and I just can't figure out even with

749
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: way to go. You know, I'm like I can feel

750
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: like I'm like, wait what, I'm so grateful, but wait

751
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: what am I My brain is like it's like trying

752
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: to bring it online, and it can and it can

753
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:17,439
Speaker 1: be really overwhelming in terms of you know, so it's

754
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: like back to chance, back to breath, back to presence,

755
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: back to stillness, back to gratitude, back to like I

756
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: had this. I think I think I had this kind

757
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 1: of really remarkable plant journey, medicine journey, and you know,

758
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: I set an intention around the feminine because we touched

759
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: on my mother briefly and I was like, you know,

760
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,760
Speaker 1: my mother gave me this, which is wonderful, and loved

761
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: me ouheartedly and was in boarding school at the age

762
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: of four, so it was like she's didn't really have

763
00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: a full you know of what nurture and things was,

764
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: but she was so love is and remains so loving

765
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: and a great opportunity for me to continue to grow

766
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: and evolve. But I set an intention before. I was like,

767
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: because I wanted to ask Katie to Marny and I

768
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: was like, I just need to kind of check in

769
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: and I'd never done, you know, this particular medicine and

770
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: I was like, I want to just so I flew

771
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: somewhere to meet this and I'd set this intention around

772
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: the feminine right, and I was like and basically the

773
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: three points that came out, I was like, am I clean?

774
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: Am I good? Here? Can I do move forward with this?

775
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:41,399
Speaker 1: Because it's important to me to know that I'm clear right,

776
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: And so it's with aya right. So you get this

777
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: feeling of and somebody had explained to me that you

778
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: had this amazing feminine energy coming at you. And I

779
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: think you're supposed to do three carps and I took five. Well,

780
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 1: I wanted to have this, this this I was just waiting.

781
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: I was there and I didn't I was just on

782
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 1: a couch with this amazing room of musicians and this

783
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:14,399
Speaker 1: wonderful guide and he just looked at me at six

784
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,760
Speaker 1: in the morning and he was he had been journeying

785
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: with me, and he was like, you want more? And

786
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: I was like one more? And then I had this

787
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: like sensation of lightness and this I think basically it's

788
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: like our minds, right, You're like you're exploring aspects of

789
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: your mind that the neuropathways that you just haven't like

790
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: looked at right, you understand that it's the map of

791
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: your mind. Right, that's kind of and you've disconnected your

792
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: ego enough to be humble enough to take on and

793
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: I and this message was, well, first of all, just

794
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: be grateful. Look at your life, right. Second of all,

795
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: you don't have an issue with women, you know, look

796
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: at your life. Wonderful women in your life. And even

797
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: if even if there are aspects of women in your

798
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: life that you have, it's all been part of your evolution.

799
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: But maybe the feminine in you, it was like she

800
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: was you know, there was this there was just it

801
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: was like, so maybe you could nurture a bit more

802
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: of the feminine in you. And I was like, okay,

803
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: but it was like nurture I guess the creative artistics

804
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: side that just like pondering and poetical and things that

805
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: I hadn't And then but the last one that I

806
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 1: remember that was so it was like whenever you're with

807
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,280
Speaker 1: somebody and maybe the last time you see them again,

808
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: you just don't know, So make it great. What have

809
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,479
Speaker 1: you got to lose? You may never see this person again.

810
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: We don't know. Life is like, you don't know, So

811
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: just make it great. Because I at a young age,

812
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: I'd had a real challenge. I'd have people come at

813
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: me consistently, right, and I'd be like, and I'd be

814
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: in whatever mental state or moment that I was in,

815
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: and sometimes I'm just like, you know, I mean, you know,

816
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: and and all they want is this moment, and it's

817
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: so easy for me to just go, hey, yeah, I

818
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: don't sure, yeah, here, no problem, and then carry on.

819
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: But sometimes it was just like, you know, I could

820
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: it felt like almost acid because I was just it

821
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: didn't what it represented at a different time in my

822
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 1: life was a restriction, right, and I wanted to feel free.

823
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: But I think that moment of that thing for me

824
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: was like you may never see this person again. I

825
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: don't know. Life is not built like that, So just

826
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: make it great. It's not hard, right, or at least

827
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: leave it with that, you know. So I think that

828
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: was the did I answer the question?

829
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I mean so much. You gave me

830
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 2: so much more to unback there. I love it. I

831
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 2: mean on that point, I do think if we lived

832
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 2: in a world where you genuinely believed that any moment

833
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 2: with anyone could be your last. Yeah, the way you'd

834
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 2: speak to them and the way you'd look at them,

835
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 2: the way you listen to them, just transform. And I'm

836
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 2: sure you have friends. I have friends who've lost parents, partners, people,

837
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 2: and they all regret their last conversation with them because

838
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 2: it was conflict or it was an argument, or it

839
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 2: was a debate that they.

840
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 1: Didn't need to any conflict.

841
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they and they didn't know that that was

842
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 2: going to be the last time. And I've spoken to

843
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 2: friends who've held that for so much longer because it

844
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,919
Speaker 2: becomes such a hard release to know that you could

845
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 2: have should have, would have said something, to have done

846
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 2: it differently, might have done it differently, but going back

847
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 2: to what was revealed to you, and and even that,

848
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 2: I mean, I look at relationships as such a area

849
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 2: where so many of our fears are brought to the surface.

850
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 2: I found this with my own wife, Like we've been

851
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 2: together for eleven years and married for eight, and it's this,

852
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 2: It's it's being comfortable or with the idea that she

853
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 2: is also the deepest mirror I'll ever have, because no

854
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 2: one in the world sees all of my flaws, all

855
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 2: of my mistakes, all the moments when I'm not perfect.

856
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 2: You know, I always joke about how like my wife

857
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 2: knows whether I meditated this morning or not, Like no

858
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 2: one else does, but my wife knows, and my wife

859
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 2: knows whether it was quality or whether it's distracted. My

860
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 2: wife knows. You know, my wife knows whether I left

861
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 2: my socks on the floor, you know, whatever, just whether

862
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 2: it's silly or deep, it's it's she is in a position.

863
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:35,240
Speaker 2: And when your partner doesn't abuse that authority and doesn't

864
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 2: use it as a form of control, but actually reflects

865
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 2: that some care and compassion, it can be a really

866
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 2: it's almost like you can't grow without it. Have you?

867
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 2: What have you? What scared you about relationships? And what? Like?

868
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 2: You said you had no problem with women, that wasn't

869
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: a thing. But what was revealed to you in your relationship?

870
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: Yeah?

871
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 2: What's been revealed to you in your life? And is

872
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 2: a better question.

873
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 1: I think I'm constantly learning to let go because anything

874
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: that I tried to hold on to, whether it's good

875
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: or bad, doesn't serve me, not in the relationship, and

876
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:26,919
Speaker 1: it doesn't really serve either of us. And that's really

877
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: hard to keep letting go and to keep letting her go,

878
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: you know, the idea of because I think when you're

879
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: in a deeply loving, committed relationship. You want to you

880
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: want to control or own or have or and you know,

881
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: even just letting go of ideas of how things should

882
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 1: be or the idea of what intimacy or intimate moments

883
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: are to you versus them, or how you know, whatever

884
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: it may be, because everybody, because you've chosen that person,

885
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: you're on a journey with that person. You know you're

886
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: going to learn this lesson. And if you've chosen that person,

887
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: then that's the person you're going to learn that lesson with,

888
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: you know, I mean that's the opportunity, right.

889
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:24,280
Speaker 2: That's rue. Yeah, that really resonates. I feel like that's

890
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 2: why we'd rather let go of the person and have

891
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 2: a new six month period with someone new, because you

892
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 2: don't have to let go in that six months, Like

893
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 2: that six months is almost full of holding on and

894
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 2: every idea and every hope and possibility remains intact, like

895
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 2: you don't have to dismantle it or question it or

896
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 2: break it down. But you are so right that the

897
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 2: amount of misconceptions I've had to let go of as

898
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 2: we spend more time together.

899
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: And I think it's going to change every day, right, absolutely,

900
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: It's like every day you choose, I choose you because

901
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: also you know you're life is changing. Right seven years

902
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: from nowsh wecome completely different human. You have no idea, right,

903
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: you know you can. I mean you you clearly have

904
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: been around each other and you do probably know have

905
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 1: a sense, but we don't know. You don't the same

906
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: thing as like I may never see that person again

907
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: every day it may you may never see that version

908
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: of that person again, or you know, whatever it may be.

909
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: But like, yeah, we're just you know, we have we

910
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: I'm forced I seize the opportunity every day to grow.

911
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: And as you see from the show, I'll never choose

912
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: the past, the easy path, you know, like it's just

913
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 1: not who I am. And you know, in some ways

914
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: my relationship is the greatest opportunity for my continual growth.

915
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: And you know, and I know we both see it

916
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: that way. So that's how we grow and we do

917
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: and she will not you know, she'll hold me accountable

918
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: and I'll do the same. And sometimes you know, you'll

919
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: be confronted by your own self, you know, And I

920
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: think you know, trust right, trusting your path, your journey,

921
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: your faith that this is what's meant for you and

922
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: then you know, the universe will take care of the rest.

923
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: And making mistakes and going okay, I did that, was yeah,

924
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 1: I did that. Sorry, I I sort of am like,

925
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: there's no yeah, I think I think I've you know,

926
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: seen how learning more like the mistake. I think, like

927
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: I think very early on in life. Actually, really I

928
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: didn't enjoy making mistakes. Does anybody I don't know. Maybe

929
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: some people really do, but I didn't. It wasn't comfortable with.

930
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 2: Hard to find someone who.

931
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 1: And yet anyone, any sage you're worthy will tell you

932
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: it's not. It's only through mistakes that you right. So

933
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: it's like going, okay, you know, like that's where the

934
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: where the that's where the rich stuff is, that's where

935
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:12,760
Speaker 1: you're gonna. So I just try to keep growing and

936
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: you know, accepting and you know.

937
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, how does it feel to introduce your Buddhist practices

938
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 2: and teachings to the kids, Like how does that work?

939
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 2: I'm fascinated by?

940
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I really I just I say name to

941
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 1: Daisy and she said she's sometimes on the other side

942
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: of the world on a movie should be like I

943
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: say Nami. Then I think and Flynn chanted, you know,

944
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 1: from that I did the same with him, and I

945
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: don't like so Flynn's mother has a beautiful faith in life,

946
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: I think, and I really respect it. And I don't

947
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: challenge any of the things his views that he's obviously

948
00:50:56,560 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: imbued through his mother, and you know, I I we

949
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: we love to go and walks. I love to go

950
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: and walks with my son, and and we talk a lot.

951
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: I try to, you know, and at different stages. Look,

952
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: he's thirteen now, so it's almost like Dad is getting

953
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 1: pushed aside. And I kind of know what that feels like.

954
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: I was the same, you know, So I'm not I

955
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: try not to take it personal. And I miss him,

956
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,359
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I just text him. I love him

957
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: and I miss him. But we have these wonderful walks

958
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,479
Speaker 1: and talks, and I kind of just throughout whatever we're saying,

959
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: I try to keep reinforcing just the the undercurrent philosophy

960
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: and thinking of my practice and which is just you know,

961
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: are you are you respecting? Are you? Are you you

962
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 1: know if there is that kid in class who's not

963
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: you know, are you are you supporting that kid that's

964
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 1: not getting the support, because that's where you'll find a richness,

965
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 1: right because I kind of like, I know that's in

966
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 1: his heart as well. I see it. And funny he

967
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: said to me, Dad, you know, I'm really good at

968
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: just bluffing. And I think, like, but this is him

969
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,879
Speaker 1: at thirteen, you know, flexing a bit in this way

970
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 1: of trying to like trying to kick And he was like, yeah,

971
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 1: but Dad, I just knew that would that would be

972
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: the thing that people would have preved. Like, good, well,

973
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,919
Speaker 1: just keep working that then, because even if you're thinking

974
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: we'll try and make you say you're going to do,

975
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: just keep working that, even if it's even if you

976
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 1: think it's like you're putting on a show, fake it

977
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: till you make it. You know, if you just keep

978
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,399
Speaker 1: doing that, just keep trying to do the right thing,

979
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 1: and eventually you'll start to realize what the right thing is.

980
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 2: Right.

981
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: But I love to walk and talk with him, and

982
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 1: I I just don't overwhelm him with it because in

983
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: my faith, I believe by saying, nam your cure, say to.

984
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 4: Me nam namr who mir ho renge renge cure cure,

985
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 4: nammoho renge cure nam cure.

986
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 1: So by saying this once you never have to say

987
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,959
Speaker 1: it again, you protected seven generations in your past, seven

988
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 1: generations in your future.

989
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:55,959
Speaker 2: Thank you for that gift.

990
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,919
Speaker 1: That's so I believe that, deeply believed. Sometimes I will

991
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 1: set walk up to somebody and say just say noam

992
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: your name, get youll just once and I'll tell them

993
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: that and then I'll walk away whatever, and it'd be

994
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 1: like I believe that. It's like finding a needling there.

995
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: I either hate that and if you so, you never

996
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 1: have to do it again. You've done it seven generations time.

997
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: And if you ever good and if you ever and

998
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: if it was something that resonated with you at the

999
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 1: time or moment, then great. You know, I encourage people

1000
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: to do that. It's not you know, I'm like, this

1001
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: is how you do it, just it's not. It's not

1002
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: a meditational process, right, like a meditation I do as well.

1003
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 1: I have a meditation TM practice. But for me, it's

1004
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: like yoga for the mind. You know. It's like when

1005
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: I'm really stressed out or like you know that too

1006
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: much coffee?

1007
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 2: Do you get it seems so? Yeah?

1008
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 1: I'm nah. I'm sitting here opposite Jay Shaddy. Do you

1009
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:50,959
Speaker 1: want me to show you the other side of never?

1010
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 1: I mean, like you can see you'll see the climbing episode.

1011
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 2: You'll see that.

1012
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 1: The party mouth and the I'm like, no, I'm like,

1013
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: I redline. I'm like I really like mostly I'm like

1014
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: I can really you know, I can be in the

1015
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:08,280
Speaker 1: red like and that's something that I just try to navigate.

1016
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,280
Speaker 1: But I like that. I embrace it. I accept it absolutely.

1017
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? It's like I can

1018
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: be on in that space, just like it's like the

1019
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: difference between driving at thirty or sixty. It's like, obviously

1020
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 1: I would, you know, God forbid you want to observe

1021
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: the speed limit because there are children and things. But like,

1022
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: I know what you know, So sometimes I can be

1023
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 1: really intense. How have you emotionally?

1024
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 2: How have you accepted the parts of yourself that most

1025
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 2: of us judge, criticize, or feel uncomfortable, granted that they're

1026
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 2: not affecting other people.

1027
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:43,240
Speaker 1: As from chancing one, I think because of that practice,

1028
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: I'm constantly looking at that. But I think I think

1029
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: it's time, honestly, and I think it's experience because the

1030
00:54:53,200 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: experiences have taught me like that. You know, shame is

1031
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: not my friend. Guilt. Shame if you spend any if

1032
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:09,800
Speaker 1: you if you overly if you spend too much time

1033
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: in that negative thought pattern. You know, we're light energy,

1034
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: we like little planets, right, but if you broke our

1035
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: bodies down. I was having this conversation with somebody who's

1036
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 1: giving me a message. She's just this amazing woman, and

1037
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 1: she was like, but we like little we're like little galaxy.

1038
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 1: If you actually dissolved us, the trillions and billions of

1039
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 1: you know, you know, cells and everything, it's like a

1040
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: little it's like a little galaxy. So we're all little

1041
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: galaxies going around the planet right in a way. So

1042
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: all of that energy, which as you know and talked

1043
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:42,760
Speaker 1: about and many bodies, it's like it's whatever you're saying,

1044
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 1: you become right. As we all know, these all these

1045
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 1: old adages are so true. So it's not like but

1046
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 1: so yeah, it's I think for me, it's like the

1047
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: shame game doesn't work. I don't want to I don't

1048
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 1: want to receive it from anyone. I mean, I did this.

1049
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: I had this amazing experience and I went six years ago,

1050
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: maybe seven years ago, now seven years ago, more than

1051
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: seven years ago, nearly eight years ago. I went to

1052
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: the Hoffmann Institute, which is just wonderful, and it was

1053
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: I'd had a really I've been seeing Kay for a

1054
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: year and I've broken up and then we'd sort of, no,

1055
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: we hadn't actually we've broken up yet. I've been seeing

1056
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 1: her for for a little while, and then we had

1057
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: broken up and we got back together, you know, the

1058
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: young love weirdness of trying to find things. But I

1059
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:30,280
Speaker 1: had been triggered into this really unique pattern of behavior

1060
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 1: that I felt i'd inherited from my mom, right, this

1061
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 1: thing of like seeing I'm here, you know, with my mom,

1062
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: Mama over here, you know, I think you know what

1063
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: I mean, and trying to get the attention right. And

1064
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, one of the worst years internally

1065
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: I can ever remember, because I felt like I was

1066
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 1: playing a part instead of being a part. And it

1067
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: was just because I had so many feelings and I

1068
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 1: was so and I was in water that it was

1069
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: just uncharted. So a dear friend of mine, Buddhist, had

1070
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Speaker 1: an actor friend from New York, had had suggested that

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00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: I do this two years ago and I hadn't picked

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00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 1: up on it. James has seen this amazing actor, human,

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00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: just wonderful person, and I was like, I sort of

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00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 1: remembered when I we'd had this breakup, and I'd remembered

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00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 1: I'd taken my passport, left everything else and walked into

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00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: New York because we'd been in New York. And then

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00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 1: I was like, got on a plane home. But before

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00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: I got on a plane home, I went to his

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00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: house because it was like five in the morning when

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00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: we've had this rip roaring ard again, and I was like,

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00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: took my passport and walked out of the door, and

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00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: I was like, and he talked about it, and so

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00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 1: I did this course and I left with these three

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00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: thinking and it was it was a wonderful week where

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00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: you don't have your phone, you don't have the email

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00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: you have, so you have no connection to the outside

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00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 1: world really and you don't and people, you know, obviously

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00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: I was me, but I had this nobody's there for that,

1089
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 1: so it's really people are on there own. They're all

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00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: in their own form of need. So I was wearing

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00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: like a name tag that was my childhood name or whatever.

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00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: And then I did seven days of like I guess,

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00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 1: kind of like a group therapy, and I felt like

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00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: three years of therapy in seven days in a way,

1095
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 1: and they take you're on this beautiful journey through these

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00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: seven days where you have like a Thanksgiving dinner or

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00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: a Christmas dinner, a birthday and a whole thing from

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00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 1: It's like, it's beautiful the way it's constructed. And I

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00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: came out with this thinking and I talked to James

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00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 1: at the time about this as well of feeling safe,

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00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: seen and celebrated, I want to feel safe, so in

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00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 1: terms of my relationship, so with self first, right, So

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00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: if I look in the mirror, I feel safe? Do

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00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 1: I feel safe with you today? Do I feel seen

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00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 1: by you? Am I kind of observing myself? And do

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Speaker 1: I feel celebrated?

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00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 4: Right?

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00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: But really it's for the people in my life, like

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00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: do I feel safe with this person? Do I feel

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00:58:56,080 --> 00:59:00,040
Speaker 1: seen by this person? And am I feeling celebrated? And

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00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: can I do that for them? Obviously? Right, it's a

1112
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 1: it's a it's a mirror. So if I'm feeling that way,

1113
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 1: then you're good. It's a green light. And if I'm not,

1114
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 1: then I'm going to just step back, take pause until

1115
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: I can feel that way. And if I can't feel

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00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: that way, then maybe life in the universe will take

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00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 1: us on different trajectories. But whilst I feel that way,

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00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: So safety and celebrated was something that really made me

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00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 1: kind of go. I came back into my life and

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Speaker 1: into my relationship after this, and then I said we separated.

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00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: It was interesting and I was like, that's tough. Okay,

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00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 1: this is what's meant. You know, this is some years

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00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 1: ago now, but this this stickiness that we had this

1124
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 1: connection and she was never really not a part of

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00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: my the walls, and she would reach out in weird

1126
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: ways like Instagram or whatever, and I'd be like processing,

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01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 1: and I was like, and then I made a sort

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01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 1: of decision because I had this safe, scene, celebrated thing,

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01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 1: not to see her and as she would and then

1130
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 1: she's she actually did this this Hoffman as well and

1131
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 1: had an amazing experience herself, and so we just kind

1132
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: of I think it was like it created a foundation.

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01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: So we're constantly sort of bouncing off this thing. And

1134
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 1: sometimes the foundation is really rocky, of course, and sometimes

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Speaker 1: I don't know, is this are we is the universe?

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01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 1: Are we still going? I get? I gave her this

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01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 1: picture of a tree, you know, and I was like,

1138
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: and it was it was this beautiful. I bought it

1139
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 1: in India, I think, but it was this this these

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01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 1: two trees growing as one. I was like, this is

1141
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 1: this is what it should be as long as we

1142
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 1: can trance. The branches can go all over the place,

1143
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:53,919
Speaker 1: but the roots and the and the and the base

1144
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 1: of the tree is the trunk is growing together. You know.

1145
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 1: It's the it's the pillars of the temple, right, need

1146
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: them to stand strong together so that you can hold

1147
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 1: the that you know, hold that. But I yeah, it's

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01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 1: it's been a yeah, that's great criteria.

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Speaker 2: I like that safe scene and celebrated. Yeah, it's like

1150
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 2: a beautiful way of checking and connecting wavelength. Yes, the

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01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 2: visual you just painted right now of the two trees

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01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 2: feels perfect. Like that visual just resonated so strongly.

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01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: Sometimes people are not not for that as well. Though,

1154
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: sometimes they're not ready for that. She like I it

1155
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 1: can be really overwhelming. It can be really overwhelming. All

1156
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: of your good intention, right, all of your desire for

1157
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 1: the greatest outcome can be super intimidating and overwhelming, depending

1158
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 1: on whether your wife is ready in that day, in

1159
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 1: that moment, and as we as we know from you know,

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01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 1: the remarkable you know, I think I had this. I

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01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 1: thought I was like when I had Daisy by daughter,

1162
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 1: I was like I mean, I feel like every man

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01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: should have a daughter before they get married in a way,

1164
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: because it's like you see every emotion under the sun

1165
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 1: in the split second, and it's like and you have

1166
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 1: nothing but love because you're there. There's no judgment, there's

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01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 1: just like I'm just like marveling at her explosion of

1168
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 1: emotion and she'll be like, no, daddy, no dad, Mummy,

1169
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 1: I want And I'm like, if i'd been in, you know,

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01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 1: a partner, a reflection of a partner doing that could

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01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 1: have really messed me up at different times. And I'm like,

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01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 1: we what see me? Look, look look at me, Look

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01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 1: at me. I'm over here, mummy, I'm over here. You know,

1174
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 1: whatever it may be, you know, our patterns from childhood,

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01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: whatever that may be. And I like and I'm like,

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01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 1: and it's in a way, it's like, you know, so

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01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 1: I can have those, you know, with a powerful human

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01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 1: you know that that I've chosen in some ways, every

1179
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 1: day it's like gott to keep leveling up and trying

1180
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 1: and making mistakes and going okay, no, that didn't work.

1181
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 1: All I'm going to do this and that's no, don't

1182
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 1: do that. You might you know, but you know, sometimes

1183
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 1: It's very interesting, isn't it. I think the masculine in

1184
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 1: in in relation to the feminine, you know, m hm,

1185
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 1: like my mind map again, you know, like I'd set

1186
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 1: an intention around the thing and I was like, oh no,

1187
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 1: it's not women. It's like the feminine within you. It's like,

1188
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 1: but in this world that we live in, it's like

1189
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 1: trying to find the the the right level because it's

1190
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 1: not like obvious, you know, it's not there's no it's

1191
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 1: you know, I think people are always you know, how

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01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 1: do you how do you have the right balance. It's

1193
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 1: like it's like it's like sometimes you're just really you know,

1194
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 1: mass overly overly, you know, edgy, and sometimes you just

1195
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 1: like you can be that you can hold that big

1196
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 1: space because you because in your mind you're capable. But

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01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's just choosing, right, just keep choosing.

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01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 1: You choose life, and you choose to you choose to

1199
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 1: go on a journey, and you choose to keep it real,

1200
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 1: and you choose to.

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01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:09,439
Speaker 2: For me at least, yeah, I feel what you said

1202
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 2: about like for me, my sister is like four and

1203
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 2: a half years younger than me or something, and I

1204
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 2: feel like I remember holding her when she was born.

1205
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 2: My last year, I got to walk her down the

1206
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 2: isle at her wedding like and it was I've always

1207
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 2: my nickname for my sister's kid because I've treated it

1208
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 2: like my daughter since she was born, and she's always

1209
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 2: felt that way to me. And you're so right, Like

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01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 2: my wife will always say to me, Gosh, when you're

1211
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 2: around your sister, just you know, completely different, and it's

1212
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 2: it's that fatherly brother.

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01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 1: Does she like that my sister know your your wife? Does?

1214
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 2: She does? She finds it adorable, She finds it.

1215
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 1: Lean into that more. Is that not not really not

1216
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 1: so much, it's just like no, like.

1217
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 2: She finds that adorable. But she sees what capacity I

1218
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 2: had and what you're saying that being that bigger.

1219
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Speaker 1: Daughter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when you have it for that love and you're

1221
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 2: so right that when you've been able to experience that,

1222
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 2: it's so much easier to understand. I always feel like

1223
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 2: I was raised by my mum and tried to raise

1224
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 2: my sister the best as I could, and it was

1225
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 2: almost like that's made me a better husband than I

1226
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 2: would have been because I had a different experience with

1227
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 2: women that I wouldn't have had if I didn't have

1228
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 2: a younger sister and I had a younger brother, or

1229
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 2: whatever it may be, And so that resonates very strongly.

1230
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 2: But also this idea of I've seen myself act with

1231
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 2: my wife, with the people I love in a way

1232
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 2: that I don't like at all, and I've seen myself

1233
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 2: act in the best way possible. And I'll oscillate between

1234
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 2: the two depending on where I'm at on any given day.

1235
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 2: And it's what you said earlier that it takes two

1236
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 2: people to be able to let go, takes two people

1237
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 2: to be able to forgive. It takes two people to

1238
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 2: be able to not over amplify or underreact or overreact.

1239
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 2: And you're constantly playing in that space if you want

1240
01:05:56,880 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 2: a loyal, committed, long term relationship which has very different

1241
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 2: positives than a short, easy, quick moment, and we'd fix yeah, yeah,

1242
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 2: And it's almost like it's what you said, it's choosing

1243
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 2: what you want.

1244
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 1: Once you decide your We have that idea in my practice.

1245
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 1: Once it's like in Sense discusses, you know, once you decide,

1246
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:19,760
Speaker 1: your whole world will move in that direction. Once you decide,

1247
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, everything is set up for

1248
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 1: the universe to support that decision, but you must decide

1249
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:28,919
Speaker 1: whatever it may be. And then if the wheels fall

1250
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 1: off along the way, you know, you realize that you've

1251
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 1: decided and there are mistakes, but then you set about fixing.

1252
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 1: And I you know, I wrote this like a mission

1253
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 1: statement when I when I first met her, because I

1254
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 1: wanted to. I wanted to try to articulate all these

1255
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 1: crazy feelings that I was having at the time, which

1256
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 1: was like a reveal that I hadn't had in a

1257
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 1: long time in somehow. And one of the things that

1258
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:01,960
Speaker 1: I said in this like p this this, this this

1259
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:05,200
Speaker 1: letter I wrote her was you know, I want us

1260
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 1: to We're going to bring our little kids out, you know,

1261
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 1: are inner child We're gonna bring out, and I'll dook

1262
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 1: it out with you as much as you like, so

1263
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 1: long as we just promised to keep getting up, you know,

1264
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 1: because it's like if we don't get up, I need

1265
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 1: to know that, like you'll do it out, I'll do

1266
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 1: it out, but that we'll get up, you know, and

1267
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 1: keep you know, because that's because it doesn't matter about

1268
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 1: you've got, You're going to go down. People are going

1269
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 1: to make mistakes, things are going to happen. Life is

1270
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 1: set for that. You know, it's not you know, it's

1271
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 1: not meant to be. The opportunities, as we said at

1272
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 1: the beginning, for growth, don't come through an easy path.

1273
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 1: They can't. They're not when the other thing's going great.

1274
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 1: It's when the ships hit the fan, right, And that's when,

1275
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 1: you know. So I kind of feel like I'm constantly like,

1276
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 1: when's the next one? Yeah, next, next, lesson, when's the

1277
01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 1: next one coming? But you know, how much how much

1278
01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 1: you know? How much humility do I need to learn today?

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Speaker 1: You know? Or what do I need to do? And

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Speaker 1: what choices have I made that have led to this?

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01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 1: And how am I going to own that?

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Speaker 2: The difference? What's the difference? We do that? Because I

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01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 2: resonated with that. I always say to people that when

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Speaker 2: things are going bad, work hard, and when things are

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01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 2: going good, work harder. Right, You're always pushing yourself to learn, grow,

1286
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 2: evolve more when actually things are good, because a lot

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Speaker 2: of us we do the opposite. When things are good,

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01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 2: we get complacent, we get lost. What is the difference

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Speaker 2: for you between that mindset getting exhausting versus energizing? Because

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people would say, gosh, if

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Speaker 2: I'm always having to figure out what to learn and

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Speaker 2: what message and from the universe and my partner. That's exhausting. Yeah,

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01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 2: but it seems like you're energized by that, which is

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Speaker 2: what you see in the show, Like you're energized by

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Speaker 2: the idea that there's more to learn. What's what's the difference?

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Speaker 2: What have you found? How are you able to sustain

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Speaker 2: that level of wanting to evolve and grow?

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Speaker 1: I think I think that I just came in that way.

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Speaker 2: That's just how you're built.

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Speaker 1: I think I came in that way. I think we

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01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 1: all come in different Right. When I reflect on all

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01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 1: of the opportunities for growth in my life, they all

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01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 1: reinforce this idea that this is what I need to

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01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 1: learn at this time. Right in retrospect, when you're younger

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01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 1: and in that moment of crisis, whatever that may be,

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01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:38,640
Speaker 1: And listen, I didn't have a mobile phones that I

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01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:42,280
Speaker 1: was twenty, right, But there is a window of time

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01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 1: in my life which is almost like a void because

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01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:48,800
Speaker 1: of the immense pressure and experience that life was throwing

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01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:51,599
Speaker 1: at me at such a rapid pace that I literally

1311
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 1: can like there are blacks almost feel like right like

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01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 1: I can't even like my friend brest friends will go.

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01:09:57,920 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 1: But remember when we went to Japan on that press,

1314
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 1: I was like we went to Japan together, Like yeah,

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01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, so you know, but yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: that's it. I think. I think I think saying at

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Speaker 1: a young age with chant with a practice like mine

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01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 1: helped me as well to recognize because constantly reinforcing this

1319
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:23,680
Speaker 1: idea of opportunities through obstacles or opportunities, and even when

1320
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 1: you're in it and it's nightmare, Oh these exams, this

1321
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 1: thing this you know, this boyfriend or this girlfriend or

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01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 1: this situation. This, Like I think it's always simplify as well,

1323
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Speaker 1: steady like life, you know is you know, at least

1324
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 1: my experience is like I love the high octane, right,

1325
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:45,800
Speaker 1: and I've been at the at that depth. I love

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01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 1: the depth as well. But when I'm steady, when I'm

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01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 1: just when I just like come back to the simple, right,

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01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 1: simplify because sometimes you just need a walk, you know

1329
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 1: what I mean, You just need to go outdoors. Sometimes

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01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:01,439
Speaker 1: you just need to look at the sky, take a

1331
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 1: deep breath. Sometimes it's just and it's a few little

1332
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Speaker 1: touchstones that you can create for yourself, you know, so

1333
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Speaker 1: that you have tools, right, create your own toolbox. And

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Speaker 1: I think that's what I got from just so many

1335
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:19,760
Speaker 1: different things, whether it's Hoffmann or a plant journey, Yeah,

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01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 1: so many, or an encounter with somebody important, or my

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01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:26,720
Speaker 1: relationship to Disacovacade and my mentor or And I think

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01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 1: it's also we're wired. We're all wired differently, so like

1339
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:32,799
Speaker 1: you know, but if you keep leaning into that area

1340
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:37,320
Speaker 1: of and not being afraid to lean into the discomfort

1341
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 1: of life, then that's what the show is giving you.

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01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:43,439
Speaker 1: You know, you're leaning into the discomfort, you get the benefit, right.

1343
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:47,160
Speaker 1: And you know, again that might just be getting up

1344
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:49,719
Speaker 1: from your couch, turning off the TV, or not scrolling

1345
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:52,720
Speaker 1: on your phone or putting you know, just deleting that

1346
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 1: app for like twenty four hours, so that you're just

1347
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 1: not being ruled by something outside of yourself. I think

1348
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 1: in this new aid we've been in the age of

1349
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 1: the Internet. I think at this new age of AI,

1350
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 1: which we're all there's so much anxiety and sort of

1351
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:11,640
Speaker 1: you know, you know, nervousness around And I saw, you know,

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01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 1: Sam Altman speak about some of this stuff, and I

1353
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 1: thought it's so interesting. But I think my takeaway from

1354
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 1: what he had said, and what I think is true

1355
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:24,560
Speaker 1: for my life and what I can since is discipline,

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01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 1: self discipline, because it's a choice to pick up your phone.

1357
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:33,599
Speaker 1: It's a choice to get lost in your phone. It's

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01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:36,760
Speaker 1: a choice to keep scrolling. Or you could choose to

1359
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Speaker 1: put it down and step outside and simplify, do that meditation,

1360
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:44,800
Speaker 1: do that yoga class. You could It's all choices, right.

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Speaker 1: But I think the people that I think that if

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01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:51,799
Speaker 1: as and when you know, we see this new chapter

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01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 1: of life, it's going to be totally different. My son,

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01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 1: your your children, when you come into the world, they're

1365
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 1: not going to know a world without super intelligence. They're

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01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 1: just not going to know that. Like my son doesn't

1367
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:04,280
Speaker 1: know a well without the Internet. How has that impacted

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Speaker 1: his life?

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Speaker 2: I do, Yeah, so do I.

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Speaker 1: But they're not going to have a No, they're not

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01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:12,720
Speaker 1: going to know a world without super intelligence. And it's

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Speaker 1: going to bring remarkable benefit to our lives, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure health, healing, you know, access life. But it's

1374
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Speaker 1: like those old adages like Devil's hands, you know, I

1375
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:28,840
Speaker 1: idle hands and the Devil's playground. So I keep thinking, like,

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Speaker 1: what's going to be my what's the discipline. I'm going

1377
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 1: to create the routines and disciplines to create and keep

1378
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:39,200
Speaker 1: working at so that I don't slip off into that.

1379
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:41,920
Speaker 1: Because I do it, I can find myself just going

1380
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:45,160
Speaker 1: And I kind of love my algorithm by the way,

1381
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 1: like it will send me all of your things and

1382
01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:51,639
Speaker 1: other people's, you know, and like messaging around. It's definitely

1383
01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 1: listening to me messaging around. Oh, this relationship person is

1384
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:58,599
Speaker 1: talking about fantastic things, you know, and I'm like, oh,

1385
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:00,799
Speaker 1: that would be great for the world to see or whatever,

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01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:03,559
Speaker 1: you know, whatever it may be, So like, don't there's

1387
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 1: not it's not all bad, but it is. I think

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01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:10,000
Speaker 1: the discipline, the self mastery of discipline, right, self discipline

1389
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 1: and self mastery to know the one is the one

1390
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:17,000
Speaker 1: that will protect. Because if you're like, what do they

1391
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:21,080
Speaker 1: call them in games where it's like non player NPC,

1392
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:25,320
Speaker 1: is it right? We can all become those. We can

1393
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:27,679
Speaker 1: all just switch off and turn on our auto pilot

1394
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 1: and just be like because you don't want to because

1395
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 1: it's overwhelming. It's overwhelming. You're overwhelmed by the consistent. I mean,

1396
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:37,040
Speaker 1: you know, if you keep looking at the news, you're

1397
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 1: just going to be overwhelmed. It's wild, It's wild. I

1398
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 1: have so many friends who are like on both sides

1399
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:48,880
Speaker 1: of you know, conflicts, you know, whether you know, and

1400
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 1: just it's just you just go. You can just be overwhelmed,

1401
01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 1: you can just that is.

1402
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:57,480
Speaker 2: Where we're at. I think we're overwhelmed, we're over consuming,

1403
01:14:57,840 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 2: where we're overexposed.

1404
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 1: We see and hear and understand, we get and there

1405
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:07,920
Speaker 1: is so much more information than than than than we need,

1406
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 1: and then we continue to get more and then what's true,

1407
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 1: what's not true?

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01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 2: It's a lot. And that's why it's a lot. And

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01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,600
Speaker 2: that's why if anyone's not feeling disciplined or is struggling,

1410
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 2: there's a lot of compassion.

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01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 1: You show me a human, I'll show you anyone right,

1412
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:27,760
Speaker 1: you know even and that's true of relationships, right. I

1413
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 1: think one of the things like learning Gabby Hamilton were

1414
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:32,080
Speaker 1: a big part of my life at a period in

1415
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:35,599
Speaker 1: my life a few years ago that were where I

1416
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:41,599
Speaker 1: was separated from my partner flyn'smum and I was living

1417
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 1: kind of on my own in Malibu, and and there

1418
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 1: was such a really beautiful couple the way they I

1419
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:51,880
Speaker 1: learned so much from seeing how they interacted and I

1420
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 1: always appreciate that I took that away with me. But

1421
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 1: I think it's like I kind of respect couples more

1422
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:59,240
Speaker 1: than anything else now today somehow as well when we

1423
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:03,479
Speaker 1: talk about relationshi, because it's the people that have kind

1424
01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:06,559
Speaker 1: of gone, they're continuing to choose and not to upgrade

1425
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 1: or think they're upgrading or that the grass is greener

1426
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:10,439
Speaker 1: because we can all do that, of course, and maybe

1427
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 1: we will. And there's no judgment there either too, by

1428
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:14,639
Speaker 1: the way, no judgment on any of it. But personally

1429
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:18,400
Speaker 1: I kind of go, oh wow, you know, I admire

1430
01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 1: that because it doesn't It's not easy, man, you know,

1431
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:25,000
Speaker 1: because as people, as we age and change, and second,

1432
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 1: we're all being told that like you can get this

1433
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 1: new handbag that will go with this new car, or

1434
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:30,920
Speaker 1: you can get this new watch and this new thing,

1435
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:32,720
Speaker 1: and you're just going to keep. And I love a

1436
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:36,160
Speaker 1: shiny object. So do I love a shiny object? You know?

1437
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:40,360
Speaker 2: How have you managed to maintain your But it's practice

1438
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:43,880
Speaker 2: and philosophy in Hollywood, because I imagine that do that.

1439
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:46,639
Speaker 1: But as philosophy and products has maintained that has been

1440
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:49,200
Speaker 1: my anchor. It's not I haven't maintained it it's been

1441
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:53,280
Speaker 1: my it's helped, it's maintained me, it's helped me. It's

1442
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 1: I really feel like it's my super cake.

1443
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:56,800
Speaker 2: You can tell my cap.

1444
01:16:56,960 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 1: It's obvious it's my like it's my superpower, you know,

1445
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:03,000
Speaker 1: and it's it's available to anyone. But I got it

1446
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:06,240
Speaker 1: at a young age, and I'm like it it's my wings,

1447
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:10,040
Speaker 1: it's my it's my shield, it's my it's my wisdom,

1448
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:12,599
Speaker 1: it's my courage, it's my compassion if I just use it.

1449
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:15,559
Speaker 1: And sometimes I won't. H there are days I won't

1450
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:19,680
Speaker 1: chant and I'm like, I mean, look, I'm years and

1451
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:22,360
Speaker 1: years into this, so it's it's just I feel that

1452
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:25,920
Speaker 1: it's never gone far from me. But but I know

1453
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:29,240
Speaker 1: when I'm not, I'm like, wait, what's going on? Often

1454
01:17:29,240 --> 01:17:33,439
Speaker 1: it's been when I've been in a relationship. Often I've

1455
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 1: been in a relationship and I don't and I was like, wait,

1456
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:40,800
Speaker 1: what why Why is that? Why am I not when

1457
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 1: I'm because what's being so? Yeah, but it's been, it

1458
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:46,880
Speaker 1: was that was it was my Yeah, it was literally

1459
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 1: my I can feel it.

1460
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:50,200
Speaker 2: It's it's very obvious, it's very evident from the show

1461
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 2: and today it's very real in your in your veins.

1462
01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:57,800
Speaker 2: What's something you feel you're being called right now? What's

1463
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:00,200
Speaker 2: the fear you're being called to overcome right now or

1464
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:03,240
Speaker 2: the lesson that you're being questioned? I sat with this

1465
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 2: question last year and it was really really interesting for

1466
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 2: me and my own meditation. It was revealed to me

1467
01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:13,120
Speaker 2: that if I really want to serve and have the

1468
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:15,160
Speaker 2: impact that I want to have, that I'll have to

1469
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:24,400
Speaker 2: be okay with dealing with more stress, pain, external.

1470
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:30,519
Speaker 1: Kind of energy coming at you. Energy. Yes, I love

1471
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 1: you can have you can big plants, a bigger canvas,

1472
01:18:33,439 --> 01:18:33,720
Speaker 1: but it.

1473
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:36,600
Speaker 2: All required that that's and that was a very interesting

1474
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 2: almost request or question that I was hearing from the

1475
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:42,799
Speaker 2: universe or from God or from my own spiritual practice

1476
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:45,559
Speaker 2: of this is what's required of you? Are you ready

1477
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 2: for you?

1478
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:47,439
Speaker 1: Are you okay? What?

1479
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:49,800
Speaker 2: What have you heard that or felt that you were

1480
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 2: being What fear are you being asked to overcome? Or

1481
01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 2: what lesson are you being asked to learn right now?

1482
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:58,640
Speaker 2: Because you've conquered so many fears and the show and

1483
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:01,280
Speaker 2: gone to the edge. What's what's an edge that is

1484
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:03,320
Speaker 2: being requested of you?

1485
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:10,599
Speaker 1: I think that our deepest spheres are often they often

1486
01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:19,800
Speaker 1: lie in areas unknown to us subconscious, even in our subconscious.

1487
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 1: Some of the deepest fheares I have are like related

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Speaker 1: to a historical pattern of behavioral thinking, which I don't

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Speaker 1: know that I was even conscious of. You know, like

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Speaker 1: I've inherited and possibly from in my mind because of

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Speaker 1: my practice and faith generationally lifetimes previous lifetimes of thinking,

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01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:54,960
Speaker 1: because that's how I kind of live my life, like

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01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:58,000
Speaker 1: for the next life. I'm like, that's how I'm looking

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01:19:58,040 --> 01:19:59,599
Speaker 1: at it now. I'm like, I'm living for the next one,

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01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:02,400
Speaker 1: you know, like the Egyptians with the temples, it's like

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Speaker 1: they were doing that because it was like and I

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01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:06,400
Speaker 1: kind of like, if I can live like that. But

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Speaker 1: I think that when I allow myself, it feels connected

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01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:16,080
Speaker 1: to I think self worth, which I think is something

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Speaker 1: that like we all kind of like, you know, like

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01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:24,719
Speaker 1: is Jay ready for that bigger canvas? Is he ready

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01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:27,960
Speaker 1: to put that message out into the world? Does he

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01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:30,800
Speaker 1: deserve that? Has he done enough for that? Am I

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01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:35,840
Speaker 1: worthy of that? Right? Have I? Have I done the work?

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01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:37,840
Speaker 1: Am I doing that? Am I in the flow enough?

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01:20:37,880 --> 01:20:42,760
Speaker 1: Am I? And also like because it's not it's cyclical, right,

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01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:46,679
Speaker 1: Sometimes you're just not in the front. I had seven

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01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:50,600
Speaker 1: years of just being what felt like some of that

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01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:53,640
Speaker 1: like swimming up river just and because I was just

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01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:56,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to throw up this river now for some reason,

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01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:58,640
Speaker 1: you know. And that was partly that time when I

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01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:02,080
Speaker 1: was separated and living in Montment and like training with

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01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:03,640
Speaker 1: lead and stuff, and I really kind of put my

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01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:07,080
Speaker 1: body and my mind through a lot of different before

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01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:09,799
Speaker 1: I did the shut even before I did to the edge.

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01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:15,559
Speaker 1: So I think I think it really for me, it's

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01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:21,680
Speaker 1: like that we're enough, right. I think somebody said it

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01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 1: on your wall there, that you're enough. But it's like,

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01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:29,120
Speaker 1: I think we all struggle sometimes to really deeply believe

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01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:32,920
Speaker 1: that we are enough, that we're value, that we're valuable.

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01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:35,680
Speaker 1: You know, we're imprinted by our parents from the age

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01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 1: of zero to seven, right, But that's not even taking

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01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:41,360
Speaker 1: into account the time that you know you're in your

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01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:47,160
Speaker 1: mother's So there's a whole heap of information that is

1525
01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 1: just like is it yours or is it somebody else's.

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01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:56,000
Speaker 1: I'm constantly trying to go, like, how do I detach

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01:21:56,120 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 1: from my this idea of what is that my that

1528
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:05,280
Speaker 1: is that my baggage looked like my baggage. I mean

1529
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 1: I know, okay, that's mine, all right, I take that,

1530
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:13,120
Speaker 1: that's unpack that, but all that other stuff, you know,

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01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:18,760
Speaker 1: And I've I think Hoffman taught me a lot in

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01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:22,439
Speaker 1: that space. But I think i've interestingly like it's a

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01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:26,639
Speaker 1: fear of like being alone? Are you good to be alone?

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Speaker 1: I think that was the biggest for me in a

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01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:32,360
Speaker 1: long time. Am I good to just be on my own?

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01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:39,639
Speaker 1: And I'm constantly working now? Math am I good enough

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01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:44,559
Speaker 1: on my own? Because am I good in my own company?

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01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:48,120
Speaker 1: Do I feel good with me just to be with

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01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:52,040
Speaker 1: just me today or for this next hour? Because I

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01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:55,559
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time in my youth with people

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01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 1: who I you know, really love and admire and adore

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01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 1: and cantinue to, but in a way it wasn't serving me.

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01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:05,080
Speaker 1: I was like, it was you know, we talk about

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01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:07,240
Speaker 1: energy and drains and things. You know, there were there

1545
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 1: were there were relationships in my life that I didn't

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01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 1: even really realize that the impact that they were having.

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01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:15,280
Speaker 1: And then when I did, I was like, oh wait

1548
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:19,240
Speaker 1: a second, this needs reframing. And until I'm ready to reframe,

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01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:22,720
Speaker 1: I'm going to just take pause to feel safe soon

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01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:25,479
Speaker 1: and celebrated. But I think that I think my so

1551
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:29,040
Speaker 1: in amongst all of that, I think it was probably

1552
01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:34,240
Speaker 1: being alone and being good with being alone and recognizing

1553
01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:36,960
Speaker 1: because we're going to be born and we're going to

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01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:40,120
Speaker 1: die alone. So it's like, how how how good are

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01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:41,120
Speaker 1: you with being alone?

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01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:42,040
Speaker 2: Beautiful?

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01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:45,840
Speaker 1: I think, and that you're enough, right, you don't need

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01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:49,679
Speaker 1: all the other things because I love a shiny object,

1559
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:53,400
Speaker 1: I you know whatever, like although this isn't shiny, but

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01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 1: it's the one from New Zealand, but you know I do.

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01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:02,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, I've got a far couple. Do I need them?

1562
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:05,680
Speaker 1: Like the way it feels? But you know, do we

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01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:09,400
Speaker 1: need to keep consuming all this stuff when the planet

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01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:15,879
Speaker 1: is got a ticking clock? It's interesting, It's really interesting.

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Speaker 2: I find that we're all paradoxes, and we're almost giving

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01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:25,800
Speaker 2: ourselves permission to be a paradox until all of it's purified.

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01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:28,880
Speaker 2: And it's almost the permission is what allows you the

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01:24:28,920 --> 01:24:32,480
Speaker 2: ability to purify. Whereas if you're living in the conflict

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01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:36,280
Speaker 2: of I'm only one thing, you don't get the opportunity

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01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:39,599
Speaker 2: to dissolve the part that you may not be comfortable

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01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:42,639
Speaker 2: with because you haven't accepted it. But no, that answer

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01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:45,800
Speaker 2: is beautiful being alone and being comfortable in your own

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01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:49,360
Speaker 2: skin and being enough, and that is the lifelong journey.

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01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:52,160
Speaker 2: I feel like that's you know, that is it and

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01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:54,560
Speaker 2: well and I feel like I could talk to you

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01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:56,880
Speaker 2: for hours and I hope we do.

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01:24:57,000 --> 01:24:57,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, we did.

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01:24:58,439 --> 01:25:01,160
Speaker 2: I want to end with the we end every episode

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01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:03,799
Speaker 2: on which is called the final five of On Purpose.

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01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:07,360
Speaker 2: These are pretty much the same five questions that everyone

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01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 2: gets answered, and every question has to be answered in

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01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:12,080
Speaker 2: one word to one sentence maximum.

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01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:12,880
Speaker 1: Okay, so.

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01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:17,559
Speaker 2: These are your final five and you can take your time.

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01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:21,720
Speaker 2: Door four questions, Orlando, These are your final five. The

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01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:24,400
Speaker 2: first question is what is the best advice you've ever

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Speaker 2: heard or received?

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01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:33,320
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. My mother used to say, have respect from

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01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 1: the doorman to the director, and I think respect all

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01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:46,519
Speaker 1: life anyone you meet, because we're all on that journey

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01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:50,800
Speaker 1: and the person that's opening the door for you could

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01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:53,639
Speaker 1: be running the country. You just don't know.

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01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:58,439
Speaker 2: It's a great answer. Question number two, what's the worst

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01:25:58,479 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 2: advice you've ever heard or received?

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01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:13,320
Speaker 1: The worst? I mean the worst advice. That's a really

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01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:13,920
Speaker 1: tricky one.

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01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:16,920
Speaker 2: You can skip it if your mind's blocked out. That's

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01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:17,519
Speaker 2: pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: I yeah, it's hard for me.

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Speaker 4: To.

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01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:20,880
Speaker 2: That's good.

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01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:24,800
Speaker 1: Hard for me to the worst advice?

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01:26:28,160 --> 01:26:31,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, sorry, No, that's good. Don't be sorry. That's

1604
01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:32,960
Speaker 2: totally great. I mean, if you blocked it all out,

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01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:35,080
Speaker 2: that's awesome because I like to make a log of

1606
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:37,280
Speaker 2: bad advice everyone's received, because I feel like there's so

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01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:38,840
Speaker 2: much bad advice that goes around.

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01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:41,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I like, yeah, I'm not No, you blocked out.

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01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:44,519
Speaker 1: That's cool. Yeah, I like if it doesn't, if it's

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01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:45,280
Speaker 1: not a half for.

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01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:47,400
Speaker 2: Me, yeah, leave it leave That's what I'm saying. I

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01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:51,080
Speaker 2: don't skip the question. I don't need to apologize. Question

1613
01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:54,200
Speaker 2: number three, what's the first thought you have in the

1614
01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:55,720
Speaker 2: morning and the last one you haven't made?

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01:26:56,560 --> 01:27:01,679
Speaker 1: So we wake up in a family bed and Katie

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01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:05,120
Speaker 1: usually says, thank you God for today. I'm grateful in

1617
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:08,280
Speaker 1: every way, especially for and Daisy will go and we'll

1618
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:14,040
Speaker 1: all go Daddy, Mummy, Flenny, you know, we'll all do that.

1619
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:20,000
Speaker 1: That's beautiful and that's and I'll then say your yeah,

1620
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:20,760
Speaker 1: I think grat you.

1621
01:27:21,479 --> 01:27:22,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:27:22,160 --> 01:27:26,920
Speaker 1: And at night, yeah, it's the same. It's the same

1623
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:33,560
Speaker 1: because it's like we woke up, you know, and I think, yeah.

1624
01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:39,360
Speaker 2: Question number four, what's something that you used to value

1625
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 2: that you don't value anymore.

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01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:54,240
Speaker 1: Ah, dude, that's so annoying other people's opinions of me.

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01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:58,439
Speaker 2: Great answer. Fifth and final question, we asked this to

1628
01:27:58,479 --> 01:28:00,800
Speaker 2: every guest who's ever been on the show. If you

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01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:03,920
Speaker 2: could create one law that everyone in the world had

1630
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:05,800
Speaker 2: to follow, what would it be.

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01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:09,680
Speaker 1: I think it comes back to my first answer that

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01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:14,000
Speaker 1: my mother kind of instilled in me, which is just respect. Yeah,

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01:28:14,280 --> 01:28:22,920
Speaker 1: you know, a law of respecting life, all life. Bysaki

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01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:29,040
Speaker 1: Akada wrote this amazing letter. He came to the UK

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01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:32,400
Speaker 1: I think it was in the eighties to visit the

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01:28:32,439 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 1: Young the Youth members and he was there, but he

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01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:40,480
Speaker 1: chose not to stand before them to have a communication.

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01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:44,320
Speaker 1: I think because he could feel like the anticipation and

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01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:48,080
Speaker 1: the complete So he wrote this letter. Or he may

1640
01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:50,320
Speaker 1: have been busy, but he was there, but he didn't.

1641
01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:54,440
Speaker 1: But it was a choice from and within it, he said,

1642
01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:59,720
Speaker 1: there's a piece about I'm going to not maybe land this,

1643
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:06,320
Speaker 1: but you'll get one point. This lifetime is about, you know,

1644
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:11,920
Speaker 1: from the material, from the external to the internal and

1645
01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:19,679
Speaker 1: making all mothers happy, because I'd love to actually find

1646
01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:20,160
Speaker 1: the quote.

1647
01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:23,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, So here we go.

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01:29:24,360 --> 01:29:27,080
Speaker 1: I'm a member of a Budhist organization. Since I'm sixteen

1649
01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:31,040
Speaker 1: and my mentor is a Japanese man in Japan, a

1650
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:34,519
Speaker 1: man named Issato Kaida, and in nineteen ninety four he

1651
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:38,599
Speaker 1: wrote a message of encouragement to the youth of the UK.

1652
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:42,920
Speaker 1: He wouldn't see them, but he sent this message. This

1653
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:45,840
Speaker 1: is an excerpt from the message that he sent to

1654
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:49,320
Speaker 1: these children, took for them to listen to. He reserved

1655
01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:51,920
Speaker 1: himself from being there. But I wanted to read it

1656
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:53,760
Speaker 1: because I feel it's so important, and I had it

1657
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:56,320
Speaker 1: written for you as well to read along. But it

1658
01:29:56,400 --> 01:30:00,400
Speaker 1: says the times are changing from an age where justice,

1659
01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:04,160
Speaker 1: from an age where power is justice, to an age

1660
01:30:04,240 --> 01:30:07,960
Speaker 1: in which justice is power. In this new age, the

1661
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:12,120
Speaker 1: supreme guiding principle will be the benefit of all humanity

1662
01:30:12,520 --> 01:30:16,639
Speaker 1: rather than the interests of one particular nation or ethnic group.

1663
01:30:17,240 --> 01:30:20,400
Speaker 1: We will see the transformation of history from the revolution

1664
01:30:20,479 --> 01:30:23,400
Speaker 1: of the external environment to that of the inner self,

1665
01:30:23,439 --> 01:30:26,840
Speaker 1: the inner human revolution. It will be an age in

1666
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:28,400
Speaker 1: which the actions of.

1667
01:30:28,479 --> 01:30:33,599
Speaker 3: Leaders will naturally be based on the guidelines of making

1668
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:41,439
Speaker 3: all mothers happy. The actions of leaders will be naturally

1669
01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:44,839
Speaker 3: based on the guidelines of making all mothers happy. Respect

1670
01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:53,479
Speaker 3: right because we can't us mortal men really fathom, you know,

1671
01:30:54,439 --> 01:30:55,240
Speaker 3: the power of.

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01:30:57,080 --> 01:30:58,759
Speaker 1: What it means to be a mother in the world.

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01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:00,880
Speaker 1: But like, if we can have a little bit of

1674
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:06,320
Speaker 1: because you know, so interesting, isn't it so interesting to

1675
01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:09,800
Speaker 1: see the times, how they've been changing, and how this

1676
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:12,240
Speaker 1: masculine that's been living in with us and we've been

1677
01:31:12,280 --> 01:31:15,599
Speaker 1: living with and under and around and for and it's

1678
01:31:15,680 --> 01:31:22,000
Speaker 1: sort of transformed, and how we're learning, particularly as men,

1679
01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:27,120
Speaker 1: to respect and understand the power of the mother, mother Earth, mother, mother,

1680
01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:30,479
Speaker 1: the mothers. And it's like, and he goes on to

1681
01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:32,800
Speaker 1: say about respecting your father and mother, and I really

1682
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:38,840
Speaker 1: think he means all fathers, all mothers. You know. I

1683
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:40,640
Speaker 1: was talking about this with David, who introduced me to

1684
01:31:40,680 --> 01:31:43,960
Speaker 1: my practice just earlier, and we were saying, he was

1685
01:31:43,960 --> 01:31:46,000
Speaker 1: saying it, I've really come to understand.

1686
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:47,280
Speaker 2: That it's all mothers.

1687
01:31:48,040 --> 01:31:54,360
Speaker 1: Respect all mothers, respect all fathers, particularly because they hopefully

1688
01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:57,800
Speaker 1: have some sense, you know, of the value of life.

1689
01:31:57,800 --> 01:31:59,880
Speaker 1: And there is some people that don't. Of course, there

1690
01:31:59,880 --> 01:32:04,160
Speaker 1: are some people that that's not But yeah, so I

1691
01:32:04,200 --> 01:32:06,839
Speaker 1: think that's that's that's beautiful idea.

1692
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:08,400
Speaker 2: I've never heard it being put that way.

1693
01:32:08,439 --> 01:32:12,080
Speaker 1: It's a wonderful, you know, and and that idea as well,

1694
01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:16,840
Speaker 1: which actually, interestingly I wrote a note of what Sam

1695
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:20,280
Speaker 1: said about Oldman, and he was like, the journey is now,

1696
01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:24,280
Speaker 1: because I think it's way more. It's not the externalist,

1697
01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:29,920
Speaker 1: the internal. If we are those little galaxies, right, if

1698
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:33,519
Speaker 1: we really start to understand each of us and have

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Speaker 1: like respect and take responsibility, right, imagine if you know,

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01:32:38,439 --> 01:32:40,679
Speaker 1: I think what I what I kind of understood about

1701
01:32:40,680 --> 01:32:44,479
Speaker 1: my practice was if I'm good enough and capable enough

1702
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:48,160
Speaker 1: to just take care of my side of the street, right,

1703
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:50,840
Speaker 1: then if I get so good at it, I can

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01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:52,760
Speaker 1: start to take care of other people's side of the street.

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01:32:52,760 --> 01:32:56,200
Speaker 1: Because there are some people they just don't have the

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01:32:56,280 --> 01:32:58,720
Speaker 1: skill set. They may not have had the education, they

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01:32:58,720 --> 01:33:01,000
Speaker 1: may not have the upbringing, whatever it. Maybe the circumstances

1708
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:03,559
Speaker 1: they were born into a life that just didn't provide

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01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:08,080
Speaker 1: anything like then tools necessary to be able to cope

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01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:11,080
Speaker 1: with what life is like, those obstacles. I was talking

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01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:14,280
Speaker 1: about that for some people, it's just it's just there

1712
01:33:14,439 --> 01:33:17,920
Speaker 1: the whole time, right. It's like, if we're all becoming

1713
01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:21,760
Speaker 1: capable humans and able of taking care of then we

1714
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:24,600
Speaker 1: can start taking care of your neighbor. Right, you know

1715
01:33:24,600 --> 01:33:26,639
Speaker 1: what I mean, start taking care of the person next

1716
01:33:26,680 --> 01:33:28,680
Speaker 1: to you because they can't, right, Because that's what it's

1717
01:33:28,720 --> 01:33:32,240
Speaker 1: going to take right in my mind for this next

1718
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:38,000
Speaker 1: chapter with where you know, jobs are not what they

1719
01:33:38,120 --> 01:33:43,880
Speaker 1: used to be and people need you know, that boundary, right,

1720
01:33:43,960 --> 01:33:48,719
Speaker 1: they need that that frame of reference that you need

1721
01:33:48,720 --> 01:33:53,040
Speaker 1: that kind of the security through through through boundaries. Right.

1722
01:33:55,080 --> 01:34:01,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, the discipline, but the respect and they all

1723
01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:05,840
Speaker 1: mother's happy. Let's make all mothers happy. It's funny. I

1724
01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:07,280
Speaker 1: don't do that though, by the way.

1725
01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:08,920
Speaker 2: I try.

1726
01:34:09,360 --> 01:34:09,880
Speaker 1: We try.

1727
01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:14,200
Speaker 2: You've said it here now everyone's been listening and watching.

1728
01:34:14,760 --> 01:34:17,200
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Orlando. Thank you for being what

1729
01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:19,400
Speaker 2: I was saying to you a second ago. Thank you

1730
01:34:19,439 --> 01:34:21,599
Speaker 2: for being so vulnerable, thanks for being so open, Thanks

1731
01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:25,280
Speaker 2: for being in a space of discovery to you know,

1732
01:34:25,360 --> 01:34:28,559
Speaker 2: this conversation with us discovering what was in your heart,

1733
01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:31,200
Speaker 2: what was in your mind, it was us kind of

1734
01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:33,400
Speaker 2: unraveling and opening. And those to me and my favorite

1735
01:34:33,439 --> 01:34:36,400
Speaker 2: conversations when you don't know where you're going, but you

1736
01:34:36,439 --> 01:34:39,080
Speaker 2: know you're going there together. And I think that's so

1737
01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:41,280
Speaker 2: true for so much of what we discussed. And everyone's

1738
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:43,760
Speaker 2: been listening and watching back at home or at work

1739
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:45,320
Speaker 2: or wherever you are in the world. Make sure you

1740
01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:49,120
Speaker 2: tune into the Edge, which is premiering on April eighteenth

1741
01:34:49,200 --> 01:34:53,240
Speaker 2: if you haven't already. And also please please please let

1742
01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:56,519
Speaker 2: me and Orlando know on Instagram TikTok. You guys cut

1743
01:34:56,560 --> 01:34:59,480
Speaker 2: up the best clips and everything. Let me know what resonated,

1744
01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:01,719
Speaker 2: what connect to tag us both so we can see

1745
01:35:02,240 --> 01:35:05,559
Speaker 2: what you're practicing, what you're staying with you and what

1746
01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:08,080
Speaker 2: you're putting in and implementing and applying in your life.

1747
01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:10,200
Speaker 2: But a big than you do. Orland there for showing up.

1748
01:35:10,280 --> 01:35:12,840
Speaker 2: Thanks me so deeply and wonderfully, and I'm excited for

1749
01:35:12,880 --> 01:35:13,840
Speaker 2: one of these conversations.

1750
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:16,840
Speaker 1: Me too, Me too, absolutely, thank you, love, thanks having.

1751
01:35:17,360 --> 01:35:20,040
Speaker 2: If this is the year that you're trying to get creative,

1752
01:35:20,120 --> 01:35:22,679
Speaker 2: you're trying to build more, I need you to listen

1753
01:35:22,720 --> 01:35:25,639
Speaker 2: to this episode with Rick Rubin on how to break

1754
01:35:25,680 --> 01:35:29,839
Speaker 2: into your most creative self, how to use unconventional methods

1755
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:33,719
Speaker 2: that lead to success, and the secret to genuinely loving

1756
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:36,280
Speaker 2: what you do. If you're trying to find your passion

1757
01:35:36,360 --> 01:35:39,800
Speaker 2: and your lane, Rick Rubin's episode is the one for you,

1758
01:35:40,280 --> 01:35:42,639
Speaker 2: just because I like it that doesn't give it any value,

1759
01:35:42,840 --> 01:35:44,000
Speaker 2: like as an artist.

1760
01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:46,200
Speaker 1: If you like it, that's all of the value.

1761
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:49,760
Speaker 2: That's the success comes when you say I like this

1762
01:35:49,960 --> 01:35:51,479
Speaker 2: enough for other people to see it.